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From YouTube: September 20, 2021 Civil Rights Commission
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A
Okay,
the
regular
meeting
of
the
minneapolis
civil
rights
commission
will
now
begin
good
evening.
Everyone,
my
name,
is
mackenzie
may
and
I'm
the
chair
of
the
civil
rights
commission
and
I'm
going
to
call
this
meeting
from
september
20th
2021
to
order.
I
want
to
welcome
everyone
for
joining
us
this
evening
and,
as
we
begin,
I
will
note
for
the
record
that
this
meeting
has
remote
participation
by
members
of
the
commission
and
city
staff
as
authorized
under
minnesota
statutes.
Section
13d
.021
due
to
the
declared
local
public
health
emergency.
A
The
city
will
be
recording
and
posting
this
meeting
to
the
city's
website
and
youtube
channel
as
a
means
of
increasing
public
access
and
transparency.
This
meeting
is
public
and
subject
to
the
minnesota
open
meeting
law.
Thank
you
at
this
time
I'll
ask
the
clerk
to
call
the
role,
so
we
can
verify
a
quorum
for
this
meeting.
C
C
D
Here
and
we
can
see
someone's
backdrop
and
their
chat
instead
of
the
screen
you
wanted
to
show
just
so
you
know.
E
B
B
F
B
E
B
B
A
B
A
A
Both
are
have
resigned,
and
then
I
was
gonna
update
this
later,
but
I
feel
like
it's
probably
pretty
relevant
right
now
with
quorum
issues.
C
We
have
quorum.
This
is
commissioner
cobia.
We
have
12,
that's
quorum,
9
is
forum
because
we
currently
have
16
members,
so
half
plus
one
is
nine
or
half
rounded
up
is
nine
and
12
would
be
enough,
even
if
the
commission
or
staff
didn't
full
anyway.
A
D
She's
calling
from
six
five
one
two
three
five,
six,
three
five:
eight:
what
do
we
have
to
do
up
to
on
mute?
Is
it
star
six,
seven
or
star
six
okay?
Star
sticks
tonight.
A
Thank
you,
so
it
sounds
like
miss.
Gold
is
present
as
well
diana,
so
let
the
record
reflect
we
do
have
a
quorum.
A
Awesome,
commissioner,
is
the
agenda
for
today's
meeting
is
before
us
has
been
sent
before
us,
and
maybe
diana
can
also
share
it
on
the
screen.
But
may
I
please
have
a
motion
to
adopt
the
agenda.
F
A
B
I
F
E
B
B
A
That
motion
passes
and
the
agenda
is
adopted.
Next
is
the
acceptance
of
minute
acceptance
of
minutes
from
the
august
16th
2021
meeting.
May
I
please
have
a
motion
to
accept
these
minutes.
A
Commissioner,
thank
you,
commissioner
davis.
We
have
a
proper
motion
before
us.
Is
there
any
discussion
before
the
clerk
calls
the
role.
A
Seeing
none
I'll
ask
the
clerk
to
call
the
roll
on
the
motion.
Please.
C
F
B
E
B
A
That
motion
passes
and
the
minutes
are
accepted
as
presented.
Thank
you
diana.
Thank
you,
commissioners.
A
So
next
item
four
on
the
agenda
is
a
presentation
by
jonah
freemark
from
the
urban
institute,
which
will
be
followed
by
a
discussion
led
by
a
discussion
of
recommendations
for
action
led
by
commissioner
lord,
and
so
I
will
invite
commissioner
lord.
If
you
wanted
to
introduce
your
guests,
that
would
be
great.
Thank
you.
J
Thank
you
chair.
As
you
all
know,
civil
rights
with
respect
to
housing
is
one
of
our
domains
of
influence
and
responsibility,
and
the
urban
institute
has
done
a
really
fantastic
and
comprehensive
report
capturing
some
of
the
unique
dynamics
with
respect
to
housing
in
our
community.
J
The
report
is
titled,
who
owns
the
twin
cities,
an
analysis
of
racialized
ownership
trends
in
hennepin
and
ramsey
counties,
and
I'm
very
pleased
to
introduce
jonah
freemark,
he's
a
senior
research
associate
at
the
urban
institute
and
was
one
of
the
lead
researchers
on
this
report,
and
he
has
very
graciously
agreed
to
share
some
of
the
highlights
with
us
and
has
actually
also
done
some
original
analysis
around
minneapolis
proper.
J
As
the
the
report
kind
of
has
a
twin
cities
lens,
he
has
some
minneapolis
specific
data
to
share
with
us
and
I,
I
believe
I'll
pass
it
over
to
you
yonah.
Thank
you
so
much
for
joining
us
and
I'm
hoping
you're
able
to
share
your
slides.
K
Okay,
let's
see
if
I
can
make
it
work,
let's
see
all
right
cindy.
Can
you
give
me
a
thumbs
up
to
make
sure
you
can
see
my
screen.
K
That's
it
okay!
Well,
thank
you
so
much
for
providing
me
the
opportunity
to
present
with
you
all
today.
I'm
really
excited
that
the
subject
of
real
estate
ownership
has
become
of
interest
to
you
all
in
the
twin
cities,
and
I
hope
I
can
provide
some
additional
insight
for
you
specifically
in
the
minneapolis
context.
As
you
said
sunday.
So
I'd
like
to
begin
by
introducing
myself
very
quickly
as
cindy
noted,
I'm
a
senior
research
associate
at
the
urban
institute.
K
K
So
today
I'll
be
discussing
some
of
the
findings
of
a
report
we
released
in
june,
which
cindy
noted
was
called
who
owns
the
twin
cities.
K
This
report
was
co-authored
by
me,
eleanor
noble
and
y
pong
su,
and
so
this
report
and
two
associated
fact
sheets,
which
are
pictured
here
on
this
screen,
can
all
be
found
on
the
website
of
the
urban
institute.
If
you're
interested,
we
conducted
that
report
with
the
participation
of
several
groups
in
the
twin
cities,
including
the
alliance,
the
family,
housing
center
and
the
center
for
economic
inclusion.
K
So,
let's
begin
with
some
of
our
findings.
As
many
of
you
know,
the
twin
cities
region
already
suffers
from
the
highest
black
white
home
ownership
gap
in
the
country.
That
means
the
gap
between
the
share
of
white
people
who
own
a
home
and
the
share
of
black
people
who
own
a
home
is
the
widest
in
the
country.
K
So
the
first
data
point
that
I
want
you
to
look
at
is
that
in
minneapolis,
specifically,
white-headed
households
have
had
consistently
high
home
ownership
rates
about
60
percent
from
2000
to
2019,
and
that's
what's
shown
here
on
the
left
here.
So
black
households
shown
on
the
right
here
have
had
far
lower
homeownership
rates.
K
Hispanic
asian
and
american
indian
families
also
had
lower
homeownership,
but
I'm
not
exploring
data
pertaining
to
them
in
detail
today
because
of
limitations
on
available
information,
but
concerningly,
the
homeownership
rate
of
black
households
in
minneapolis
dropped
off
dramatically
from
2000.
That's
the
drop
between
the
blue
line
here
and
the
gray
line
here.
It
slid
from
about
32
percent
of
black
families
owning
their
own
household
in
2000
to
18
in
2019,
so
that
was
a
change
that
occurred
over
less
than
two
decades
over
that
time.
K
K
Now
it's
worth
comparing
what
happened
over
the
past
two
decades
in
the
city
of
minneapolis
itself
versus
the
entire
metropolitan
area.
So,
as
I
just
noted,
between
2000
and
2019,
the
black
homeownership
rate
in
the
city
shown
on
the
left
dropped
precipitously
yet
outside
of
minneapolis
in
the
rest
of
the
region.
It
declined
much
less
from
32
to
28
percent.
As
you
see
on
the
right
and
actually,
unlike
in
this
city,
the
number
of
black
homeownership
grew
over
the
course
of
that
period
by
more
than
ten
thousand
region-wide.
K
Now
this
page
shows
how
the
gap
between
people
of
color
and
white
families
has
grown
over
time.
So
this
chart
on
the
left
here
shows
that
the
gap
between
black
and
white
families
has
grown
dramatically
over
the
past
two
decades
when
you're
looking
at
the
two
core
counties
of
hennepin
and
ramsey
counties.
K
One
thing
that
surprised
us
when
we
were
undertaking
this
research,
though,
was
that
this
gap
has
grown
most
dramatically
in
the
whitest
neighborhoods.
As
you
see
on
the
far
right,
so
essentially
what
that
means
is
that
in
the
neighborhoods,
where
black
families
were
already
in
the
minority,
they
actually
lost
their
access
to
homeownership
over
that
period.
K
K
So
we
wanted
to
determine
whether
the
gaps
in
homeownership
that
are
differentiating
black
and
white
families
have
something
to
do
with
neighborhood
change.
Is
there
something
happening
in
these
communities?
That's
causing
neighborhoods,
to
encourage
people
to
not
own
anymore,
or
something
else
are
dynamics
like
gentrification
or
displacement,
causing
black
families
to
stop
owning
in
certain
communities.
K
So
you
see
the
legend
here,
and
these
were
places
where
low
income
families
were
leaving
over
the
past
20
years
and
high
income
families
were
arriving,
and
these
are
mostly
concentrated
actually
in
sort
of
a
ring
around
central
minneapolis
right
here,
and
those
are
also
the
neighborhoods
that
were
experiencing
growth
in
general
shown
in
green,
where
both
low
and
high
income
families
were
arriving.
Most
of
the
rest
of
the
two
core
counties
actually
experience
sort
of
a
growth
in
low-income
families
overall
and
not
too
much
of
these
other
more
dramatic
trends.
K
So,
let's
look
at
minneapolis,
specifically
so
I've
highlighted
on
this
map,
some
of
the
neighborhoods
that
are
experiencing
some
of
the
most
dramatic
trends
in
the
city,
so
neighborhoods
like
near
north
sheridan
and
phillips,
are
experiencing
what
might
be
called
growth,
which
means
an
increase
in
resonance
with
both
low
and
high
incomes,
and
that's
shown
in
in
green,
but
neighborhoods
like
saint
anthony
powderhorn
park
and
corcoran
are
experiencing
displacement,
which
means
that
families
with
low
incomes
and
often
black
families
are
actually
leaving
as
high
income.
People
arrive.
K
K
Now
these
findings
raise
questions
about
how
neighborhood
transformation
occurs.
Is
it
just
wealthier
whiter
families
coming
in
and
buying
up
housing,
or
is
there
some
other
dynamic
at
play
to
investigate
these
questions?
We
decided
to
use
property
data
from
the
two
counties
to
first
show
how
single-family
rental
homes
had
changed
over
time
in
terms
of
their
locations.
K
So
here
we
actually
found
a
pretty
clear
trend.
The
number
of
single-family
homes
being
used
as
rental
properties,
rather
than
being
owned,
more
than
doubled
between
2005
and
2020
in
the
two
core
counties
of
the
twin
cities.
So
there
are
now
about
fifty
000
such
single-family
homes
being
rented
out
up
from
about
20
000
only
15
years
ago,
and
the
rise
in
such
units
occurred
primarily
in
this
period
between
2010
and
2015,
and
it
was
a
much
larger
percentage
increase
than
the
stock
of
single-family
homes
in
general.
K
So
what
happened
during
this
period
from
2010
to
2015?
Well,
it
was
kind
of
like
the
aftershocks
of
the
great
recession
and
there
was
a
lot
of
foreclosures
a
lot
of
people
on
sort
of
tenuous
economic
conditions
and
people
who
used
to
be
homeowners,
giving
up
or
being
forced
to
give
up
their
homes
to
become
rental
homes
over
that
period,
so
in
minneapolis.
So
this
graph
is
for
the
two
counties.
K
In
minneapolis
alone,
the
number
of
rented
single
family
homes
increased
by
more
than
5
000
individual
homes
over
the
period,
so
that
was
a
63
increase.
So
the
increase
was
far
larger
than
you
saw
in
the
region
as
a
whole
and
by
the
way
this
was
a
much
faster
rate
of
growth
than
the
amount
of
new
housing
that
minneapolis
added
overall,
which
means
that
there
was
a
that
most
of
this
growth
actually
occurred
from
existing
housing
being
transformed
from
home
ownership
to
rental
use.
K
So
this
map
illustrates
the
spatial
distribution
of
rentals
across
the
two
counties
of
hennepin
and
ramsey
counties.
So
again,
I'm
going
to
zoom
into
minneapolis
in
a
second,
but
you
can
see
I
point
out
downtown
minneapolis
here
in
downtown
saint
paul
here
and
basically,
what
this
map
is
showing
is
that
the
areas
that
are
in
darker
green
are
those
where
there's
more
single
family
rentals
as
a
share
of
the
overall
housing
and
where
it's
lighter.
It
means
there's
less
single
family
rentals.
K
So
you
can
see
that
single
family
rentals
are
actually
least
concentrated
right
here
in
the
center
of
minneapolis,
which
makes
sense
because
that's
where
more
multi-family
housing
is
concentrated.
Fewer
people
live
in
single-family
homes,
in
the
middle
of
minneapolis,
but
throughout
most
of
the
rest
of
the
region,
both
within
the
core
cities
of
minneapolis
and
st
paul
themselves,
but
also
in
their
suburbs.
K
So
here's
what
it
looks
like
in
within
the
borders
of
the
city,
so
you
can
see
that
in
neighborhoods,
like
north
minneapolis,
como
and
winona,
now
more
than
10
of
all
the
homes
in
these
communities,
that's
shown
in
the
dark.
Green
areas
is
being
rented
out
rather
than
owned,
and
this
is
not
including
the
this
is
not
even
including
the
the
multi-family
apartment
units.
K
This
is
just
talking
about
rented
single-family
homes,
and
so
this
is
a
major
change
over
the
past
20
years,
especially
in
north
minneapolis
and
como,
where
this
type
of
housing
stock
was
really
less
common.
Two
decades
ago
there
actually
wasn't
much
single-family
rental
units
in
those
two
neighborhoods
back
in
2000,
but
things
really
changed
over
the
past
20
years
or
so,
and
actually
there
was
some
decline
in
the
number
of
single-family
rental
units
in
central
minneapolis
at
the
same
time.
K
So
that
tells
you
a
little
bit
about
trends
in
the
type
of
the
type
of
rental
versus
home
ownership
that
was
occurring
in
different
parts
of
minneapolis
over
that
period.
But
we
also
wanted
to
examine
whether
the
ownership
patterns
of
those
single-family
homes
was
changing
over
time.
Who
is
buying
these
single-family
rental
units?
And
why
like?
Why
is
it
that
there's
suddenly
this
increase
in
the
number
of
homes
that
are
being
rented
out
as
single-family
units?
K
And
so
when
we
say
investor
ownership,
we
mean
organizations
that
owned
at
least
three
single-family
homes
in
the
region.
But
there
were
actually
some
owners
that
owned
a
lot
more.
For
example,
one
company
called
invitation
homes
controls
more
than
500
single
family
homes
in
the
two
core
counties
of
the
twin
cities,
and
many
of
those
homes
are
concentrated
in
just
a
few
neighborhoods
as
I'll
show
in
one
second.
K
So,
as
I
noted,
we
found
that
investors
took
advantage
of
the
great
recession
to
buy
up
a
lot
of
the
cheap
single
family
homes.
So
what
this
graph
is
showing
with
the
orange
line
here
is
that
before
the
recession,
large-scale
investors
only
bought
less
than
half
of
one
percent
of
single-family
homes
that
were
put
on
the
market
for
sale,
but
between
2011
and
2014
shown
in
the
middle
of
the
chart.
K
They
purchased
more
than
two
percent
of
all
single-family
homes
on
the
market
and
then
reached
as
high
as
four
percent
of
all
single-family
homes
in
the
two
counties
that
we
looked
at
in
2013
and
I
think
what
they
were
doing
was
taking
advantage
of
cheap
housing,
often
produced
by
foreclosures,
and
one
of
the
things
that
I
think
is
interesting
about.
These
large
investors
is
that
they
held
on
to
these
homes.
K
So
you
can
already
start
to
see
that
is
a
little
less
distributed
across
the
two
counties
than
single-family
home
rentals
are
in
general.
This
is
just
investor
ownership,
so
you
can
see
that
the
concentration
of
investor
ownership
is
shown
in
the
dark,
green
and
so,
let's
zoom
in
to
minneapolis
here
you
see
that
these
areas
of
sort
of
north
minneapolis
so
specifically
full
well
mckinley
mckinley
are
both
minority
majority
neighborhoods
with
relatively
low
household
incomes
and
those
in
those
neighborhoods.
K
More
than
10
percent
of
all
housing
is
not
only
single-family
rental,
but
also
owned
by
these
large
investors.
So
these
investors
are
essentially
concentrating
their
resources
in
just
a
few
neighborhoods
of
the
twin
cities,
and
it
happens
to
be
that
this
area
of
minneapolis
is
the
most
concentrated
as
at
all
and
it.
It
suggests
that
the
investor
home
phenomenon
is
actually
being
concentrated
in
one
of
the
most
vulnerable
communities
of
the
twin
cities
and
one
that
we
need
to
be
careful
about.
K
You
know
wondering
whether
people
are
being
treated
acceptably
and
whether
they're
going
to
continue
to
be
treated
acceptably
in
the
coming
years.
So
overall,
our
findings
point
to
two
major
trends.
First,
the
total
value
of
single
family
rentals
owned
by
investors,
has
increased
from
about
300
million
dollars
in
2005.
K
That's
shown
here
to
about
1.3
billion
dollars
in
2020,
in
independent
ramsey
counties,
adjusted
for
inflation.
So
that's
what's
shown
here
and
what
that
means
is
that
these
this
is
home
value
that
used
to
be
essentially
owned
by
people
who
who
own
their
own
homes
in
those
communities
concentrated,
especially
in
minority
majority,
low
income
neighborhoods.
K
They
have
now
been
transferred
to
large
property
investors
who
own
those
single
family
house.
So
at
the
same
time
the
mean
value
of
single-family
home
homes
owned
by
residents
in
the
two
counties,
actually
declined
by
eight
percent
between
2005
and
2020..
So
that
suggests
that
not
only
are
people
in
the
twin
cities
and
minneapolis
is
especially
less
likely
to
own
their
homes
than
they
used
to
be,
but
they
actually
are
getting
less
value
out
of
their
home
than
they
used
to
be
in
terms
of
wealth
building.
K
J
It
looks
like
you
have
several
questions
from
commissioner
stagnani.
E
You
know,
thank
you
for
your
time.
Did
your
research
go
into
any
more
depth
as
to
kind
of
what
these
single
family
rentals
were
being
used?
For?
Because
I
mean
you
know
there
could
be
people
doing
short-term,
rentals
and,
or
you
know,
investing
clubs
and
that
stuff.
So
I'm
just
trying
to
understand
you
know,
there's
a
number
of
investment
groups.
E
I
believe
that
were
highlighted
in
your
research.
Did
you
go
any
deeper
into
those
entities
or
you
know
kind
of
discover
what
the
use
of
the
use
profile
was.
I
mean
north
minneapolis
isn't
really
an
airbnb
destination,
but
you
know
a
little
more.
You
feel
more
color
on
that
for
us.
K
Yes,
so
absolutely
so,
we
actually
did
not
investigate
that
in
the
twin
cities.
Specifically
though,
as
you
pointed
out,
the
distribution
of
where
these
investor
ownership
is
being
located
suggests
that
it's
not
about
short-term
rentals.
But
when
we
looked
at
the
research,
that's
been
done
at
the
national
scale.
What
we
find
is
the
following:
what
investors
tend
to
do
is
concentrate
resources
in
certain
neighborhoods
of
communities,
and
you
know
it
really
depends
in
different
areas.
K
They
act
differently
in,
like
the
atlanta
region,
they're
much
more
focused
on
the
suburbs
than
they
are
in
the
minneapolis
revision,
but
what
they
do
is
invest
in
communities
and
create
sort
of
a
a
cost
efficiency
economy
of
scale
where
they
can
market
a
number
of
homes
in
a
single
neighborhood
to
potential
renters
and
be
able
to
maintain
those
homes
at
a
lower
cost
compared
to
competing
potential.
Smaller
scale
investors
and
the
way
they're
able
to
do.
K
That
is
that,
for
example,
if
you
own
500
homes
in
a
neighborhood,
you
can
create
a
sort
of
mass
market
for
maintenance
staff,
for
renovation
staff,
for
landscaping,
etc,
and
do
so
in
a
way.
That's
actually
more
competitive
than
small
landlords
are
able
to
do
and
they,
as
a
result,
are
able
to
compete
more
effectively
at
selling
the
homes
and
I'm
sorry
buying
the
homes,
but
they
have
the
ability
to
rent
the
homes
at
the
same
cost
as
the
market
as
a
whole.
I
Yeah
I
I
did
so
I
I
find
this
report.
You
know
just
fascinating
two,
two
questions:
where
do
the
banks
and
lending
come
into
play
when
we
talk
about
access
to
capital
for
mortgages
within
the
city
of
minneapolis,
and
then
the
tier
one
suburbs
for
bypak
residents.
K
Yeah
so
well,
the
first
thing
worth
pointing
out
is
that
these,
these
large
investors
are
able
to
leverage
extremely
large
cash
reserves
that
allows
them
to
compete
in
a
way
with
potential
home
buyers
that
allows
them
to
sort
of
buy
up
the
market
in
a
way
that
is
not
feasible
for
an
individual
homeowner,
and
the
reason
why
this
is
the
following:
an
investor
can
come
in
and
just
pay
in
cash.
K
They
can
literally
just
pay
the
whole
cost
of
the
home
and,
if
you're
selling
your
home,
that
is
a
safer
bet,
then
somebody
who's
coming
in
with
a
mortgage
with
a
potentially
tenuous
credit
history
and
things
of
that
sort
and
the
result
is
that
buyers
have
an
incentive
because
of
the
system.
We
live
in,
to
sell
off
to
large
investors
rather
than
to
people
who
are
operating
through
the
mortgage
system.
K
So
that's
that's
a
bit
of
a
concern
now
in
terms
of
what
that
means
in
terms
of
people
who
are
like
you
know,
moderate
to
low
income,
especially
people
of
color,
who
are
looking
to
buy
their
own
homes.
Now
they
do
have
access
to
obviously
the
mortgage
market.
However,
there
are
systemic
reasons
why
the
credit
system
is
aligned
against
people
of
color
and
certainly
against
people
of
moderate
and
low
incomes.
That
means
that
again,
their
mortgage
rates
are
higher.
K
They
pay
at
a
higher
rate
of
interest
than
than
wealthier
and
generally
whiter,
people,
which
is
a
major
concern
for
home
buying,
and
the
second
is
that,
because
of
the
way
wealth
is
distributed
in
the
united
states,
people
have
less
access
to
the
ability
to
pay
a
down
payment,
and
that's
one
of
the
reasons
why
down
payment
assistance
can
be
so
useful.
K
Is
that
it
sort
of
fills
the
gap
for
a
lot
of
people
who
simply
are
not
able
to
assemble
the
resources
like
from
their
parents
to
give
them
the
cash
to
be
able
to
put
down
a
down
payment?
If
they
don't
have
that
capacity,
then
they're
not
able
to
compete
in
the
market.
Now,
banks
are
legally
required
to
provide
the
same
offerings
without
regard
to
race.
K
However,
it's
worth
pointing
out
that
efforts
to
do
things
through
the
community,
reinvestment
act
and
other
sorts
of
attempts
to
improve
investments
in
communities
of
color
throughout
the
nation
continue
to
face
considerable
challenges
and
their
reasons
to
suspect
that
there's
still
racism
in
the
way
that
mortgages
are
distributed
by
banks.
So
I
I
think
there
are
a
lot
of
challenges
out
there
to
to
achieving
a
sort
of
equality
of
access
to
the
ability
to
buy
a
home,
and
the
investors
have
simply
made
that
even
more
difficult.
I
My
last
quick
question
so
then,
at
what
point
does
the
corporate
ownership,
particularly
in
north
minneapolis
communities
and
I
live
in
north
maip?
I
live
in
near
north,
so
I'm
very
aware
and
familiar
with
it.
At
what
point
does
corporate
ownership
become
a
monopoly
and
then
that
become
a
civil
rights
issue
for
those
low-income
residents
and
those
communities
for
both
the
renters
and
homeowners
and
not
and
dominating
the
market
in
the
marketplace?
Where
that's
unfair
competition?
I
K
The
first
thing
I
should
say
is
that
I'm
not
a
lawyer,
so
I
don't
wanna,
I
I
don't
and
I'm
not
an
expert
on
monopoly,
so
I
don't
want
to
make
any
claims
that
are
outside
of
my
area
of
expertise.
So
I
don't
know
the
exact
answer
to
your
question.
But
what
I
do
know
is
that,
right
now
it
is
more
expensive
for
people
living
in
single-family
rentals
to
rent
than
it
would
be
for
them
to
own
their
homes.
K
So
you
know,
I
think
that
you're
asking
really
important
questions
about
you
know
are
we
are
we?
Having
are
we
depriving
people
of
access?
Is
there
a
sort
of
monopoly
condition?
I
don't
want
to
answer
that
because
I
don't
don't
want.
I
don't
know
the
exact
answer
to
that,
but
I
think
that's
worth
further
investigation.
L
Yeah,
sorry,
I'm!
I
must
be
bh
because
I'm
my
ph
at
work
on
teams
yonah,
thank
you
for
for
presenting.
I
have
two
questions
for
you.
One
is
a
a
minor
question.
So
we'll
start
with
that
in
your
in
your
slides
about
what
percentage
of
single
family
homes
are
investor
owned,
the
top
category
is
over
10
and
there
are
you
know
just
a
couple
of
those
neighborhoods
in
north
fowl
and
mckinley.
That
were
above
that
how
far
above
10
are
those
numbers.
K
You
know
I
was
I
actually,
as
I
was
preparing
this
presentation.
It
occurred
to
me
that
somebody
might
ask
that,
because
you
know
to
be
honest,
when
we
put
together
the
data
we
were
looking
at,
the
two
counties
and
10
was
at
the
very
high
end,
so
I
wasn't
looking
specifically
at
the
city
of
minneapolis,
so
I
need
to
get
back
to
you
on
that.
On
that
question
I
don't
know
they.
I
don't
know
the
exact
number
there.
L
Okay,
my
other
question
is
about
your
proposal
for
rent
control.
At
the
end
of
your
presentation,
we
have
a
rent
control
initiative
on
on
our
municipal
election
ballot
coming
up
in
in
november,
and
I
rent
control
seems
like
it's
an
easy
win
for
single-family
housing
where
the
stock
is
already
available.
L
I'm
wondering
what
your
thoughts
are
about,
whether
it
has
a
negative
effect
on
development,
because
we
have
a
severely
underdeveloped
housing
stock
in
in
the
cities
writ
large
and
you
know,
but
the
worst
in
the
nation
according
to
a
report
that
came
out
last
week,
so
I
I'm
curious
on
on
what
the
effects,
if
any
there
are
on
developments
that
that
follow
rent
control
measures.
K
Yeah
so
yeah
so
good
question,
so
actually
the
evidence
on
this
is
very
mixed.
So
there
was
a
period
up
to,
I
would
say,
the
2000s,
where
people
where
economists
stated
clearly
that
they
believe
that
rent
control
was
essentially
dissuading
new
construction,
which
is
a
problem
for
the
reasons
you
described.
K
You
know
we
have
to
have
new
construction
to
be
able
to
keep
up
with
the
growth
in
households
and
people
in
communities,
and
so
we
don't
want
to
make
it
so
it's
impossible
to
add
construction,
but
more
recent
evidence
suggests
that
rig
control
has
some
significant
benefits
and
does
not
necessarily
prevent
new
construction
if
it's
done
in
a
in
a
careful
way.
So
in
some
studies
of
san
francisco,
for
example,
rent
control
has
been
shown
to
allow
people
to
stay
in
their
homes
quite
a
bit
longer
than
they
would
otherwise.
K
Some
people
would
argue
that's
a
negative
thing,
because
it
means
that
there
isn't
as
much
turnover
but
from
the
perspective
of
stability
and
sort
of
neighborhood
people
feeling
like
they
can
remain
in
their
neighborhood.
It
has
a
positive
now,
the
I
don't
know
specifically
about
the
way
rent
control
could
or
would
be
established
in
minneapolis.
K
But
it's
important
to
note
that
rig
control
can
be
can
be
enforced
on
different
types
of
housing
in
different
ways.
J
So
I
see
two
other
hands
up
and
I
know
we're
at
6
45-ish
now
so
maybe
commissioner
cobia
and
then
I
think
it's
commissioner
gold
could
ask
her
questions
and
we
could
move
on
to
the
discussion.
C
C
Just
had
a
quick
question:
this
is
commissioner
kobe.
I
had
a
quick
question
on
your
last
slide.
It
was
showing
that
a
billion
dollars
more
value
is
held
by
investors
than
was
in
2005,
and
I
was
wondering
if
you
had
inquired
about
whether
any
of
that
was
added
value
versus
sorry,
my
dog's
going
ballistic
in
the
background
added
value
versus
you
know
just
hoarded
value,
and
I
also
you
know
just
thinking
along
the
lines
of
that
I've
spoken
with
a
lot
of
developers
over
the
years
who
tend
to
get
a
little.
C
You
know
antsy
about
these
kinds
of
things
like
rent
control,
just
because
you
know
there's
there's
sort
of
a
back
and
forth.
I
just
want
to
say
this:
it
doesn't
you
don't
have
to
respond
to
it
or
anything,
but
you
know
asking
or
telling
investors
that
they're
the
cause
of
this
problem
of
no
single
family
homes
and
then
also
assuming
that
they
will
come
in
when
there's
rent
control
put
in
place.
C
On
top
of
that,
it
just
sounds
like
a
double
sort
of
hit,
and
you
know
I
don't
know
what
the
whether
that's
a
a
good
idea
or
not,
but
you
know
I.
I
worry
that
there
could
be
some
issue
of
that
so
anyway,
what
I
really
just
want
to
know
is
is,
if
you
had
looked
at
that
added
value
statement
and
whether
driving
investors
out
of
these
communities
would
actually
be
worse,
potentially.
K
So
that's
a
great
question.
Those
are
great
points
and
questions.
I
think,
on
the
question
of
added
value,
so
it
is
worth
pointing
out
that
in
these
large
investors,
in
other
studies
across
the
nation
to
go
in
when
they
buy
a
home
and
make
repairs
to
the
homes
to
improve
them,
so
some
of
that
may
result
that
maybe
maybe
sort
of
added
investment-
absolutely
I
don't
want
to.
I
don't
want
to
deny
that
at
all.
K
In
fact,
you
know
some
of
my
colleagues
at
urban
institute
would
argue
that
these
large
investors-
because
they
have
this
ability
to
create
an
economy
of
scale,
have
the
ability
to
better
transform
a
housing
stock.
That's
growing
older
and
give
people
access
to
homes
that
were
previously
falling
apart,
and
I
don't
I
don't
want
to
dismiss
that
at
all.
I
think
that
there
are
pros
and
cons
out
there
absolutely
now
in
terms
of
this
question
of
you
know,
detracting
investors
from
coming
in
etc.
K
There's
reasonable
questions
you
know,
like
developers
and
investors
are
following
their
perception
of
what
they
want
to
invest
in
what
they
feel
comfortable
in,
and
you
know
you.
You
know
regulatory
policy
has
an
influence
on
their
feelings
of
comfort.
Now,
my
my
sort
of
strong
belief
is
that
actually
developers
are
more
motivated
by
the
strength
of
a
housing
market
than
they
are
by
the
regulatory
constraints
put
on
them
and
so
that,
more
than
anything,
if
the
minneapolis
region
continues
to
be
an
attractive
region
overall,
they
will
continue
to
want
to
invest
in
this
region.
K
K
Second
of
all,
certainly
if
you
put
a
maximum
constraint
on
new
construction
that
makes
it
impossible
for
people
to
make
money
on
it,
then
yes,
people
won't,
invest
in
the
new
housing,
so
you're
always
towing
a
careful
line
here,
and
you
have
to
be
careful
in
the
exact
way
that
you
make
these
choices
about
new
regulations.
So,
that's
why
I
think
it
is
important
to
say
that
you
know
on
new
construction,
especially
rent
control
is
probably
not
an
appropriate
policy,
because
you
won't
get
anybody
to
build
anything
new
and
that's
a
concern.
M
Oh
yeah,
our
era
is,
are
we
doing
a
discussion
without
yona.
M
I
just
wanted
to
say
thank
you
to
commissioner
lord,
and
thank
you
to
dr
yona.
I
guess
my
question
to
you
is
from
your
experience.
M
I
guess
what
would
be
your
recommendation
for
any
of
us
on
the
commission
to
kind
of
put
pressure
on
elected
officials
and
lawmakers,
as
there
are
housing
advocates
and
doing
that
right
now,
but
I
guess
from
the
angle
of
what
is
owed
from
living
in
a
racist
system
as
far
as
like
reparations
go,
I'm
just
wondering
I
guess,
like
it's
kind
of
like
a
big
question,
but
from
your
experience
you
know
then
I'll.
M
You
know
this,
that
we
live
in
a
discriminatory
housing
market
that
still
to
this
day,
has
those
practices,
and
so
I
guess
I'm
wondering
like
what
can
we
do
as
civil
rights
advocates
to
speak
and
make
proclamations
to
in
some
ways
like
talk
about
what
you
were
saying
with
like,
like
the
assistance
right,
the
the
down
payment
assistance
so
yeah
that
was
kind
of
just
my
like
big
question,
for
you.
K
Unfortunately,
to
look
to
in
terms
of
what
to
do
to
solve
these
problems,
which
I
I
I.
K
In
my
opinion,
the
groups
we
worked
with,
you
know
as
part
of
our
general
work
to
do
this
project.
The
alliance,
the
family
housing
fund,
the
center
for
economic
inclusion.
These
are
wonderful
partners
that
have
a
lot
of
expertise
and
that
I
don't
know,
I'm
sure
that
they
have
thoughts
about
the
best
way
to
make
your
elected
officials
care
more
about
these
issues.
But
I
also
would
say
this:
there
is
a
lot
of
money
from
the
federal
government
that
came
in
from
the
series
of
assistance
to
the
coronavirus.
K
You
know,
I
believe
I
think
I
looked
into
this
at
one
point.
I
think
that
hennepin
county
in
minneapolis
got
several
hundred
million
dollars
in
total
and
a
lot
of
that
money
was
meant
to
go
towards
housing
relief,
and
I
would
ask
to
what
degree
is
that
money
being
allocated
to
to
address
some
of
these
concerns
for
communities
that
are
on
edge,
especially
with
the
end
of
the
eviction
ban?
K
What
what
are
the
counties?
What
is
it,
what
are
the
counties
and
what
is
the
city
doing
to
purposely
focus
their
energy
and
their
money
on
the
people
who
live
in
those
communities
so
that
they
have
the
ability
to
rise
up
out
of
this
in
a
way
that
is
not
reinforcing
existing
inequality?
So
that's
what
that's
where
I!
If
I
were
you,
I
would.
I
would
be
asking
them
to
tell
me
how
what
they're
doing
and
answer
you
know
answer
to
you.
K
But
that's
just
me.
J
Great,
thank
you.
Thank
you.
So
much
jonah,
dr
freemark,
so
appreciate
you
taking
the
time
to
share
this
with
our
commission.
It's
been
incredibly
valuable
and
extremely
thoughtful.
J
I
absolutely
invite
you
to
stick
around
if
you
want
for
the
discussion
part
or
you
know,
go
watch
csi
or
something
if
it's
been
a
long
day
whatever
you
want
to
do,
and
we
were
going
to
transition
to
the
discussion
part
of
the
of
the
program.
J
So
I
guess
I
wanted
to
kick
off
two
things
one.
I
do
have
a
specific
action
item
to
propose
to
the
commission,
but
with
that
said,
you
know
before
getting
to
that.
I
would
like
to
just
you
know,
hear
some
thoughts
from
the
commission.
We're
at
large
on
the
question
of
you
know:
do
we
think
trying
to
take
some
action
and
trying
to
address
some
of
the
you
know
the
in
gross
inequity.
That's
going
on
in
our
community
right
now.
J
Is
that
something
we
would
like
to
take
some
action
on
potentially
either
within
the
context
of
an
existing
committee
or
a
task
force,
or
you
know,
put
some
resources
against.
So
let
me
just
like
throw
that
question
out
to
the
commission
to
start
with
and
jeremy.
Obviously,
if
you
have
thoughts
on
this
jump
in
yeah.
A
Absolutely
well,
I
think
one
thing
that
I
wanted
to
point
out
that
we
discussed
earlier
in
a
conversation
with
the
city
with
some
state
city
staff
is
that
we
do
have
a
department
that
is,
I
wrote
it
down.
A
Yep
community
and
planning
development
that
is
pretty
large
within
the
city,
and
it
was
recommended
that
we,
you
know,
reach
out
to
them
to
see
what
things
the
city
is
currently
doing
and
what
things
that
they're
advocating
for
at
that
level,
and
so
just
with
that
being
said
it.
A
I
would
love
for
us
to
be
able
to
open
that
door
and
and
inquire
into
that,
because
we
do
know
as
jonah
did
this,
as
our
presenter
did
describe,
that
we
have
a
major
issue,
and
so,
although
we
might
have
things
in
the
works
and
I'm
really
excited
to
kind
of
read
more
about
the
rent
control
that
we
do
have
on
the
ballot,
I'm
really
curious.
You
know
where
is
like
what?
A
Where
can
there
be
a
push
where
we
can
be
involved
in
in
the
information
that
that,
with
what
we've
been
shared
with
today
and
the
things
that
we
some
of
us
know
personally
based
off
of
our
experience,
you
know.
A
I
Yes,
I
think
that
the
city
of
minneapolis
needs
to
take
a
stance
on
when
it
comes
to
the
private
corporations
and
the
amount
of
inventory
that
they
buy
up
in
concentrated
communities,
and
then
you
know
become
become
market
makers
and
there's
got
to
be
a
way
in
which
that
can
be
slowed
down
and
provide
more
opportunities
for
minneapolis
residents
to
to
be
able
to
own
homes,
and
the
star
tribune
had
a
pretty
scathing
article
this
weekend
in
regards
to
you
know:
minneapolis,
are
you
know
minnesota
being
the
twin
cities,
I
say
being
the
worst
when
it
comes
to,
you
know,
available
access
to
homes,
and
I
think
that
when
you
have
low
income,
people
that
are
paying
mortgages
and
more
so
for
rent,
yet
they
don't
have
the
opportunity
to
be
able
to
own
a
home.
I
I
think
that
there's
a
fundamental
problem
with
that,
and
so
this
free-for-all
kind
of
has
to
be-
has
to
be
addressed
with
these.
These
corporations
and
there's
got
to
be
some
some
controls
and
some
limits
to
that.
J
Well,
there's
you
know,
one
thing
that
we,
commissioner
may-
and
I
have
been
talking
about
and
and
working
on,
was
a
an
invitation
to
the
private
investment
companies
to
activate
on
one
of
the
ideas
that
yona
shared
around
kind
of
a
rent
to
own
program
and
actually
asking
those
organizations,
as
part
of
their
kind
of
you,
know
them
operating
in
our
community
as
stakeholders
in
our
community
to
be
making
a
positive
contribution.
In
addition
to
making
profits.
J
You
know
to
create
some
some
rent
to
own
programs
and
in
the
agenda
items
that
diana
sent
out
there
is
a
draft
of
a
you
know,
letter
that
we're
proposing
potentially
sending
to
those
companies
inclusive
of
invitation,
homes,
the
largest
investor,
and
asking
them
to
take
some
action.
I
think,
based
on
some
conversations
we
had
with
this
city
today,
our
thought
was
maybe
trying
to
better
understand
what
programs
already
exist
and
maybe
inviting
them
to
participate
in
some
of
those
programs.
J
But
if
you
refer
to
your
agenda,
there's
a
proposed
invitation
to
those
companies
to
step
up
and
not
only
take
profits
out
of
our
community
but
contribute
and
and
help
us
collectively
address
these
equity
issues.
A
We
have
commissioner
devinish
and
then
I'll
raise
my
hand
as
well.
D
Okay,
thank
you.
I
put
something
in
the
chat.
I
I
think
it's
wonderful
that
on
the
city
level
we
reach
out
and
try
to
figure
out
what
we
can
do.
I
agree,
but
also,
I
think
we
need
to
figure
it
out
on
the
state
and
county
level
as
well.
I
think
it
works
from
the
top
to
bottom,
so
if
anybody
knows
or
would
like
to
take
a
lead
on
possibly
contacting
the
state
possibly
contacting
the
county,
I
just
think
about
you
know.
D
I
know
we're
talking
about
homeownership,
but
right
now,
I'm
thinking
about
how
many
people
applied
or
need
help
applying
for
rent
help,
mn
or
just
asking
for
rental
assistance.
So
I
think
number
one
people
are
not
getting
the
information.
I
went
to
broadway
cub
foods
to
share
information
on
rent
help
and
within
two
hours
I
signed
up
like
20
people
and
that
that
usually
takes
days
to
to
meet
that
level
of
need.
A
Thank
you,
commissioner.
Devenish
very
well
said
I
was
just
thinking
of.
I
need
to
look
back
at
the
slide,
but
I'm
referring
to
jonah
described
homeowner
home
ownership
was
in
these
highly
low
income
neighborhoods,
where
I
think
he
was
saying,
was
decreasing
and
so
were
the
available
units
for
rental
as
well,
and
so
I
just
thought
about
what
connection,
and
maybe
this
is
completely
wrong,
but
I'm
just
thinking
of
the
connection.
A
It
made
me
think
of
the
connection
between
the
the
condemned
homes
that
are
of
that
are
in
north
minneapolis
that
were
vacant
that
have
historically,
there
have
been
homes
that
have
been
banked
for
quite
some
time
and
how
the
city
can
support
that
even
more,
I
know,
there's
you
know,
rent
to
own
programs,
but
I
know
some
banks
offer.
A
You
know,
project
loans
and
things
like
that.
But
how
do
we
get
that
information
to
the
people
that
live
in
the
community
right?
I
think
something
that's
so
important,
especially
as
a
commission
for
this.
Many
the
civil
rights
commission
for
the
city
of
minneapolis
is
that
we
really
are
building
up
and
supporting
our
residents,
and
how
do
we
really
do
that?
And
how
do
we
focus
that,
especially
in
when
we're
not
investing
in
our
own
communities?
In
that
sense
of
you
know,
a
lot
of
our
our
families
aren't
owning
their
own
homes.
A
You
know,
property
taxes,
but
also
with
you
know
how
we
represent
our
communities
and
how
they're
supported-
and
I
think
it
also
transitions
into
issues
with
with
schooling
and
and
when
I
think
of
how
we
get
to
zoning
in
the
property,
taxes
and
things,
and
so
there
it
is
a.
It
is
larger
than
just
a
home
ownership
issue,
but
we
mentioned
that
jonah.
A
What
mentions
the
the
wealth
gap
an
extreme
issue
that
we
have
that
touches
so
many
areas
that
housing
really
can
support
and
be
is
the
center
of
in
many
ways.
So
I'm
really.
J
A
A
Yes,
thank
you.
I
know
there
were
a
few
things
that
were
happening
around
that
and
they
were
doing
investigations
into
the
deeds
in
our
city,
where
it
explicitly
states
who
can
and
who
cannot
own
these
homes,
and
so
this
is
a
larger
issue
than
even
I
mean
it's
a
big
issue
with
our
decline,
but
access
from
the
beginning
to
generate
this
wealth
is
has
impacted
communities
of
color
for
a
very,
very
long
time
too
long.
E
So
you
know,
I
noticed
there
were
a
number
of
names
of
companies
in
the
letters
that
were
provided
here
have
have
we
done
any
looks,
as
are
they
actually
large
companies.
J
J
And
it
does
seem
to
be
kind
of
have
a
more
national
footprint
and
then
the
invitation
homes
is
actually
the
owns
two
of
the
companies
listed
there
I
mean
those
are
all
kind
of
like
the
corporate
sec
kind
of
names
right,
not
the
the
marketing
names
and
invitation
homes
owns
two
of
those.
J
It's
a
texas-based
company
that
actually
was
heavily
funded
by
blackrock
until
just
a
few
months
ago,
and
blackrock
actually
divested
not
recently
or
divested
recently
and
has
my
understanding
is
they've
actually
invested
in
another
kind
of
rental
home
rental
company,
so
both
of
those
those
two
companies
seem
to
be
fairly
big,
the
others
I'm
not
sure
about.
I
do
know
one
of
them
is
located
in
the
virgin
islands.
J
I
don't
know
if
it's
like
a
private
equity
deal
or
what
and
I
couldn't
speak
to
the
others,
but
the
invitation
homes
in
front
yard.
Both
have
you
know
public.
If
you
just
go
on
their
website
right,
they
have
a
board
of
directors,
they
have
officers.
There's
people
to
talk
to,
there's
people
to
do
outreach
to,
and
the
other
companies
would
take
a
bit
more
leg.
Work
to
figure
out
who's
actually
behind
them.
E
Because
that
might
actually
be
a
a
good
first
step
is
that
to
the
degree
we
work
with
the
the
housing
organization
you
know
so
I
you
know
looking
quickly
at
kbd
investments
looks
like
they've
got
99
homes
in
the
twin
cities
area
so,
but
that
they
come
up
as
two
people,
so
so
characterizing
who
these
people
are,
and
you
know
you
know
what
is
the
benefit
you
know,
then
we
have
to
bring
the
benefit
statement.
What's
the
benefit
of
having
large
blocks
of
north
minneapolis
owned
by
you
know,
seven
individuals,
seven
corporations.
E
What
is
it
so?
I
would
certainly
urge
that,
as
we're
doing
an
investigation
with
the
city
of
minneapolis
departments
that
have
this
responsibility
in
primacy,
we
should
certainly
be
bringing
to
their
attention
a
lot.
I
L
Something
I
want
to
add
on
that
point,
so
I'm
I
work
at
the
attorney
general's
office
and
we
are
we
just
wrapped
up
a
trial
and
are
awaiting
the
judge's
decision,
but
it
was
a
trial
against
one
of
these
big
investment
sort
of
landlords.
I
mean
he
was
a
very
clearly
a
slum
lord.
He
owned.
L
I
think
it
was
close
to
a
hundred
single-family
properties
across
north
minneapolis.
He
was
evicting
like
90,
some
percent
of
the
people
that
that
lived
in
them,
and
so
I'm
I'm
trying
to
think
of
an
action
item
to
come
out
of
it.
But
there's
you
know
the
attorney
general's
office
has
done
and
and
is
currently
working
on
a
case
involving
this.
L
This
very
specific
issue,
so
that
you
know
something
we
could
do
is
encourage
people
to
if
they
have
housing
issues
like
with
landlords,
you
know
potentially
illegally
aggressively
trying
to
collect,
rent
or
force
them
out
or
failing
to
maintain
the
properties.
L
The
attorney
general
is
another
really
good
resource,
because
if
I
I
know
that
our
office
like
screens
and
follows
up
on
all
of
these,
and
and
if
we
get
enough,
where
there's
like
a
problem,
landlord
who's
who's,
you
know
basically
providing
low
quality
housing
and
trying
to
rip
off
the
people
living
in
their
properties.
That's
that's
something
that
attorney
general
ellison
is
pretty
passionate
about
pursuing
and
it's
something
that
yeah
again
we've
been
doing
so
that's
that's.
Sort
of
another
possible
angle
is:
is
that
office.
A
Thank
you,
commissioner
hearts.
I
appreciate
you
for
bringing
that
up
because
years
ago
I
was
a
housing
case
manager
working
with
families
like
transitioning,
from
shelter
into
supportive
housing
programs,
and
so
housing
was
a
main
issue,
discrimination
main
factor
and
a
lot
of
them
not
being
able
to
find
housing.
But
you
know
wondering
just
in
regards
to
encouraging
people
that
have
issues
with
that.
A
You
know
there
was
a
time
when
we
had
someone
present
to
us
about
what
our
clients
could
do
or
what
we
could
do
in
terms
in
terms
of
discrimination,
and
they
really
wanted
us
to
reach
out
to
them
because
they
were
putting
something
together.
So
I'd
love
to
kind
of
reach
out
to
some
of
those
people
that
I
was
familiar
with
in
the
past,
like
home
line
and
laid
offices
that
work
on
the
housing,
because
I
think
that
would
be
something
that
would
be
a
great
thing
that
we
could
provide
the
people.
A
The
residents
of
minneapolis
as
well
is
like
that
there
are
resources
for
them,
even
if
they
can't
afford
a
lawyer
to
be
heard
and
to
be
potentially
something
able
to
like.
With
this
huge
lawsuit
of
over
what
was
it
over
a
hundred
single
family
homes
in
north
minneapolis,
I
just
wonder
how
many
of
those
individuals
in
those
homes
felt
like
they
were
alone
and
felt
so
isolated,
but
they
over
100
people
were
going
through
the
same
thing,
and
so
you
know
just
wanting
to
provide
people
with
that
information
that
they're.
You
know.
A
H
Thank
you
chairmae.
I
was
just
gonna,
throw
in
my
two
cents
here
on
on
two
kind
of
city
resources,
so
one
cped,
which
we've
obviously
talked
about
already,
but
they
actually
could
be
a
good
resource
for
maybe
having
some
background
information
on
these
companies
that
are
buying
these
homes,
I'm
sure
they're,
very
aware
of
their
existence.
So
that
might
be
an
interesting
connection.
And
then
I
was
just
gonna
add
that
our
regulatory
services
department
is
the
city
entity
that
would
deal
with
things
like
code
violations.
H
J
You
know,
we've
talked
about
outreach
to
some
of
the
investment
company
companies
and
asking
them
to.
J
Kind
of
as
invite
them
to
be
part
of
the
solution
to
this
in
our
community
and
we've
also
talked
about
the
idea
that
commissioner
hart
brought
up
about
outreach
to
the
attorney
general's
office,
and
then
commissioner
devenish
talked
about
trying
to
understand
state
resources.
I
believe
cindy.
Let
me
know
if
I
didn't
get
that
correct
did
I
did.
I
miss
an
idea
that
someone
else
had
I
just
I
was
keeping
a
list,
so
I
might
have
missed
something.
J
So
I
guess,
as
a
you
know,
if
there's
not
other,
oh
maybe
someone
had
something
in
the
comments.
I
just
saw
a
comment:
okay,
thanks
cindy.
So
as
an
immediate
next
step,
I
really
want
to
make
sure
what
we're
doing
here
is
is
actionable.
J
You
know
we
provided
this
kind
of
this
draft
communication
for
the
commission
to
take
a
look
at.
I
know
we
want
to
kind
of
talk
to
cped
to
see,
if
maybe
there's
some
existing
programming
we
can.
We
can
tap
as
part
of
that
effort.
Does
it
make
sense
to
take
a
quick
look
at
this
letter,
or
would
that
be
better
to
take
offline
with
a
smaller
group,
commissioner
or
chairman?
What
what
would
you
like
to
do.
A
Well,
one
thing
I
was
thinking
was
that
we
could
potentially
get
together
with
a
small
group
to
especially
in
engaging
with
cped,
and
so
I
feel
like
those
two
things
could
work
together.
A
I'm
curious
if
there
is,
if,
if
cindy
commissioner,
lord
just
thinking
of
I'm
thinking
of
I
see,
oh
commissioner
cobia,
says
creating
a
task
force
and
I
was
wondering
yeah:
is
there
a
subcommittee
that
would
be
willing
to
work
on
this
or
something
that
we
or
even
a
small
team
that
could
work
with
commissioner,
lord
and
I
I
think
would
be
great
to
have.
I
don't
know
if
task
force.
A
I
know
I
absolutely
am
excited
to
continue
working
on
this,
and
especially
with
just
some
new
ideas,
even
with
how
we
can
work
to
educate
our
residents
as
well
on
what
what
their
rights
are
in
housing
and
how
we
incorporate
that
into
our
some
of
our
charge
as
the
civil
rights
commission.
A
Is
there
anyone
that
would
be
interested
in
working
more
on
this.
M
A
Okay,
oh
thank
you,
commissioner
sunyani.
Yes,
miss
nafe.
G
Yes,
chair,
if
I
may,
I
just
wanted
to
comment
for
the
purposes
of
creating
a
task
force.
If
you
create
a
task
force,
you
can,
you
know,
appoint
anyone
you
would
like
to
it,
and
that
would
be
your
decision.
Then
those
meetings
would
be
noticed
and
subject
to
the
open
meeting
law,
because
the
task
force
does
work
like
a
committee,
if
you
just
created
a
small
group
to
work
on
a
specific
task
and
bring
it
back
to
the
full
group,
so
they
would
just
be
bringing
back
recommendations
not
taking
independent
action.
G
That
could
be
just
any
group
you
choose,
but
you
would
want
to
not
have
a
quorum
of
any
of
the
committees
on
that
group,
so
it's
kind
of
a
strategy
choice
which
you
prefer
it's
completely
up
to
you
absolutely.
I
appreciate
that.
A
Well
with
that
being
said,
it
looks
like
right
now.
What
we're
looking
to
do
is
maybe
do
a
little
re.
Do
some
research
and
also
connect
with
cpad,
and
so,
if
we
don't
have
any
action
items
that
would
be
specifically
needing
any
vote.
Maybe
this
is
something
that
we
can
do.
You
know
the
few
of
us
work
on
and
then
commissioner
sunyani,
as
well,
to
figure
out
what
kind
of
things
that
we
you
know
configure,
find
out.
A
There's
lots
of
research
and
a
lot
of
things
that
would
be
able
to
be
supportive
of
this
work.
So
bringing
our
heads
together
would
be
perfect.
I
am
thinking
yes,
okay,
yeah
and
I
was
thinking
so
with
diane.
I
just
wanted
to
like
ask
you
to
file
and
receive
the
previous
report,
because
I
hadn't
done
that
after
our
guest,
but
I
know
that
we're
wrapping
up,
so
I
think
so.
Oh
do
we
need
to
have
a
motion
to
vote
to
have
a
small
group
meet
on
this.
G
Yes,
I
think
I
would
recommend
that
you
have
a
vote
if
you
decide
to
have
a
small
group
meet
and
work
on
this
further,
but
the
vote
wouldn't
be
to
take
any
particular
action
item
just
to
have
the
group
go
forward
and
conduct
research
and
report
back.
A
Yeah
absolutely
well
I'd
like
to
create
a
motion
to
create
a
small
group
to
work
on.
Let's
see
some
work
on
connecting
with
the
city
of
minneapolis
and
doing
more
research
around
some
of
the
investors
that
are
heavily
invested
in
the
city
of
minneapolis.
B
I
B
Davis,
yes,
stignani.
E
A
Thank
you.
We
have
a
quorum
or
not
quorum.
Sorry,
yes,
let's
see
that
that
motion
passes
and
we
will
convene
to
connect
with
cped
and
figure
out
what
research
we
need
to
do
a
little
bit
further
into
those
investors
and
some
other
things
happening
in
the
city.
A
I
Thank
you,
commissioner.
Thank
you,
commissioner,
may
so.
Last
month
I
had
a
conversation
with
the
ceo
of
first
independent
bank,
and
it's
a
detroit
base
bank
that
will
be
moving
to
the
twin
cities,
and,
what's
very
interesting,
is,
is
that
first
independent
is
one
of
only
18
black
banks
in
the
us
and
they're.
I
Coming
to
the
to
the
us,
I
mean
to
minneapolis
with
the
support
of
bank
of
america,
bremer
huntington,
bank
u.s
bank
and
wells
fargo,
and
one
of
the
things
that
they're
going
to
concentrate
on
is
helping
the
number
of
issues
contributing
to
some
of
the
racially
economic
disparities
here
and
the
bank
aims
to
boost
or
bolster
black
home
ownership
financial
literacy
and
have
a
positive
impact
on
the
racial
wealth
gap
here
in
the
twin
cities,
and
so
when
I
welcomed
ceo
kenneth
kelly
to
the
city
of
minneapolis,
you
know
I
asked
him,
you
know
what
kind
of
you
know
support.
I
Could
you
know
could
help
this.
This
endeavor-
and
he
said
you
know
a
letter
of
support
from
the
civil
rights
commission-
would
be
very
helpful
and
particularly
to
the
other
banks
that
are
supporting
this
endeavor.
I
And
so
I
I'm
bringing
this
toward
the
commission
and,
as
we
can
see
from
our
last
presentation
from
the
urban
institute
home
ownership,
particularly
for
communities
of
color,
is
a
very
big
issue.
And
I
think
that
you
know
welcoming
the
bank
to
the
twin
cities
and
writing
that
letter
of
support,
I
think,
will
be
one
of
the
many
remedies
that
can
help
provide
more
access
and
opportunity,
more
equity
for
persons
of
color
to
move
from
a
rent
position
to
a
a
homeownership
position.
I
And
so
I'm
just
asking
the
commission
for
their
support
on
and
voting.
Yes
on.
Having
a
letter
of
support
drafted
on
behalf
of
the
commission
for
for
first
independence,
bank.
A
N
N
We've
had
lenders
involved
as
respondents,
and
all
of
that
has
anyone
taken
a
look
at
this
particular
bank
to
see
whether
there
are
any
like
not
housing
related,
but
whether
there
any
other
other
civil
rights
issues
that
we
might
just
want
to
be
a
little
bit
more
cautious
about.
You
know.
I
think
we
can.
We
can
word
the
letter
I
just
I.
N
I
would
just
be
cautious
of
us
as
the
civil
rights
commission,
endorsing
a
business
that
might
as
a
lot
of
businesses,
have
have
these
sort
of
allegations
of
employment,
discrimination
or
other
other
issues
where
we
we
would
just
want
to
be
really
careful
about
how
we
endorse
or
or
celebrate
the
businesses
arrival
so
that
we're
not
you
know,
discounting
the
possibility
that
there
would
be
other.
You
know
civil
rights
issues
that
might
arise
where
you
know
like
like
any
business.
N
I
I
I
think,
that's
a
that's
a
very
good
point
in,
and
one
of
the
things
is
that
the
bank
is
applying
for
fdic
the
federal
deposit
insurance
corp,
so
for
here
still
that
there's
a
high
level
of
compliance
to
be
able
to
have
that.
I
But
you
also,
we
should
also
take
into
account
that
the
other
banks
are
are
vetting,
first
independence,
and
so
we've
got
wells
united
bank
tcf,
which
is
now
huntington
us
bank
and
bremer,
and
so
for
those
banks
to
be
in
support
and
they're
assisting
first
independence
with
capital
research
marketing,
one
of
their
locations,
which
is
going
to
be
off
of
university
by
the
by
channel
5
kstp
is
an
actual
bank
branch
that
used
to
be
a
wells
fargo,
and
so
I
I
don't
think
that
those
institutions
would
move
forward
if
there
were
compliance.
I
I
And
so
I
think,
in
the
spirit
of
what
the
banks
are
trying
to
do
in
regards
to
bringing
a
black
bank
to
minneapolis,
to
be
able
to
address
some
of
the
the
the
inequity
gaps
and
then
support
this
bank
with
capital
marketing
research
and
and
helping
them
to
grow
their
customer
base.
I
I
would.
I
would
think
that
that
organization
would
be
compliant.
N
Can
I
interview-
and
I
apologize-
I
don't
think
my
comment
was
clear,
so
I
apologize
on
that
front.
So,
as
the
civil
rights
commission,
we,
you
know,
we
hear
complaints
about
various
different
kinds
of
discrimination
in
the
context
of
employment,
for
example,
so
like
what
I
would
want
to
do.
A
little
bit
of
diligence
on
is
whether
there
have
been
any
complaints
raised
against
this
particular
business.
With
respect
to
you
know:
employment
discrimination,
for
example
like
have
there
been
complaints
regarding
you,
know,
age,
discrimination,
discrimination
against
women,
people
with
disabilities,
etc.
N
Just
just
like,
if
there's
stuff
out
there
in
the
news
or
readily
accessible
like
we
would
just
want
to
make
sure
that
that's
not
the
sort
of
thing
that
that
a
business
could
use
as
like.
Well,
these
allegations
are
ridiculous
because
the
minneapolis
civil
rights
commission
says
we're
wonderful
blah
blah
blah,
so
I
I
would
just
feel
more
comfortable
if
we
knew
a
little
bit
more
like
if
somebody
had
has
done
a
little
bit
of
a
just,
a
search
to
take
a
quick
look.
That's
all.
E
D
Have
a
question
my
question
is:
can
you
write
a
letter
just
being
more
specific
about
their
mission
and
their
goals.
I
That
is
mutually
beneficial
for
all
of
minneapolis
and
maybe
not
so
much
that
we're
putting
the
the
stamp
of
approval
on
one
entity.
Being
this,
you
know
being
this
bank,
you
know
I
could
see
that
and
think
that
that
is
is
something
well
worth
it,
and
I
think
that
also
gives
the
other
banks
that
we
listed
or
that
I
listed
more.
I
Impetus
to
want
to
continue
to
do
these
kinds
of
you
know,
initiatives.
I
A
And
so
this
idea
of
mentorship
that
same
model
that
it
might
seem
so
difficult
and
so
hard
and
so
unreachable
is
coming
to
our
city,
where
we
have
these
huge
banks
that
are
supporting
financially
and
providing
that
that
transition
here,
and
so
I
just
it
just
makes
me
think
of
you
know
how
we
you
know,
can
only
hope
to
see
this
with
embed,
like
investor
programs
and
how
there
are
you
know,
ways
to
be
creative
about
how
to
get
through
these
barriers
and
break
the
barriers,
and
a
lot
of
it
has
to
do
with
this
notion
or
this
this
idea
of
or
the
the
fact
of
white
supremacy
that
we've
talked
about
and-
and
so
I
just
am
just
really
excited
to
think
of
different
creative
ways-
that
we
can
support
these
black
owned
businesses,
investors
to
build
wealth
in
our
communities.
A
So
I'm
excited
to
see
how
this
works,
and
I
know
it
will
thank
you,
commissioner.
Rantz.
J
I
don't
mean
to
be
repetitive
at
all,
but
I
do
worry
about
the
look
of
endorsing
one
particular
business
over
another
particular
business,
but
it
seems
like
we
could
do
something
that
positions
this
as
like.
A
welcome
to
the
community,
or
something
like
that
that
would
allow
us
to
you
know,
do
this
in
a
way
that
doesn't
appear
to
be
like
an
endorsement.
That's
I
guess.
That's
the
thing
I'd
be
concerned
about.
A
I
A
H
M
Hi,
can
you
hear
me?
Yes,
okay,
thank
you.
I
just
wanted
to
say.
I
think
that
I
know
there
was
like
a
training
on
our
schedule
for
thursday
with
cassidy
who
came
to
speak
to
us
about.
You
know,
equity,
inclusion
and
all
that,
and
I
just
want
us
as
a
commission
to
kind
of
remind
ourselves
and
be
mindful
of
white
supremacy.
M
Once
again
we
are
predominantly
white
body,
and
I
think
these
questions
are
good
and
I
think
you
know
some
of
the
commissioners
are
lawyers,
and
so
you
all
come
from
a
background
where
it's
risk
and
you're
assessing
the
risk,
and
I
think
that's
wonderful,
but
I
also
think
it's
important
and
imperative
for
our
white
bodied
members,
including
myself,
to
just
I
just
want
us
to
pay
attention
to
the
questions.
We're
asking.
There's
no
bank
like
this.
This
is
not
an
endorsement.
M
Mr
excuse
me,
commissioner,
rants
for
bringing
this
to
our
attention,
but
I
always
just
want
to
anchor
us
back
into
that
place
because
I
really
I
see
it
come
up
a
lot,
and
I
know
that
and
I'm
not
saying
like
you
know
what
I
mean
I
just
see
it
come
up
a
lot
and
I
just
want
us
to
be
more
mindful
of
it
and
I
also
want
I
want
to
be
more
mindful
of
it
and
that's
why
I'm
saying
this
right
now.
I
We
need
to,
we
need
to
act
and
and
to
move,
and
so
that's
why
I'm
I
you
know,
that's
that,
and
and
it's
you
know
it's
it's
those
kinds
of
things
that
never
would
have
had
the
public,
accommodations
and
voting
rights,
act
of
65
and
public
accommodations
of
1964
to
ever
move
forward.
If
we
continue
to
go
down
this
path,.
I
So,
let's
so,
let's
be,
I
I'm
beseech
use
my
s.a.t
words
here.
I'm
beseeching
the
commission
to
not
let
that
be
not
let
that
be
a
hang
up,
but
in
the
spirit
of
one
of
the
only
18
black
banks.
That's
left
in
this
country
that
has
been
invited
by
the
other
staples
in
our
community,
these
global
multinational,
big
banks
to
come
here
to
be
able
to
help
communities
that
are
in
need,
and
it
specifically
says
in
this
article
about
homeownership
and
filling
in
that
racial
wealth
gap.
Let's
not
let.
D
Commissioner
rants
or
someone
in
the
commission
is
there
any
way
we
could
write
this
in
real
time.
So
I
think
most
of
us
agree
on
the
idea
of
the
welcome
letter
and
I
want
to
take
what
we
are
agreeing
on
so
so
far.
I
hear
that
we're
agreeing
on
welcoming
this
only
one
of
18
black
owned
businesses
in
the
united
states,
even
though
it's
2021
going
into
2022,
there
should
be
more,
but
unfortunately,
there's
only
18.
This
happens
to
be
one
of
the
18.
D
We
just
talked
about
some
of
the
racial
inequities
that
occur,
which
is
the
housing
which
leads
to
economics
and
it
you
can't
have
one
without
the
other.
We
have
to
start
from
somewhere
and,
as
miss
commissioner
ran
so
eloquently
put
it.
There
is
the
need
for
this.
It's
I
don't.
You
know
things
like
this.
I
I
gotta
question
the
commission,
because
if
you
don't
stand
for
something
you
fall
for
anything,
so
you
know
I
feel
like
me
personally,
I
I
don't
see
you
know,
we've
really
not
done
too
much
this
year.
D
I
mean
yes,
we've
done
some
great
things,
but
this
is
a
great
opportunity
for
us
to
not
to
complain
but
to
activate
and
to
try
to
change
our
community
for
the
better
to
provide
resources
and
support,
which
is
clearly
what
is
needed
for
us
to
uprise.
So
I
support
this
and
if
we
could
have
someone
write
it
in
real
time
if
possible,
because
we've
done
that
in
the
past,
I
don't
know
what
we're
doing
on
time,
but
even
if
they
could
take
the
time
in-
and
I
you
know
it's
just
an
idea.
H
G
B
L
And
two
things
one
I
just
did
some
searching,
and
it
I
mean
it
seems
like
this
is
a
really
positive
and
reputable
organization.
There
have
been
a
bunch
of
other,
like
basically
huge
companies
that
would
not
be
vouching
for
them
if
they
had
concerns
about
like
management
or
other
kinds
of
discrimination
happening
within
the
company.
So
I
I
think
the
fact
that
I
think
the
fact
that
all
of
these
local
partners
that
they
have
are
are
willing
to
vouch
for
them
is
a
you
know,
a
pretty
strong.
L
I
think
it
pretty
strongly
vouches
for
for
their
credentials.
The
other
thing
is
I
I
don't.
I
think
that
writing
this
letter
is
probably
a
little
bit
more
time
consuming
than
the
commission
would
want
to
dedicate.
I
think
it
probably
makes
sense
to
pick
you
know
have
have
commissioner
rants
and
and
another
person
or
two
I'll
volunteer
to
help
if
it's
welcome,
write
the
letter
and
bring
it
back
to
the
commission
for
the
next
meeting.
Commissioner,
is
there
a
time
constriction
on
that.
I
No,
I
mean
I
I
would
you
know
sooner
than
sooner
than
later,
considering
this
article
ran
august
august
19th,
but
I
think
for
efficiency.
I
think
that
that's
a
that's
a
very
pragmatic.
F
G
Yes,
commissioner,
may,
if
I
may,
I
would
just
recommend
that
you
pick
a
couple
people
and
name
them
rather
than
forming
a
group
that
then
would
need
to
publicly
notice
its
meetings
under
the
open
meeting
law.
If
you
just
directed
commissioner
rand
and
someone
to
assist
him,
I
think
that
would
work
without
creating
another
formal
group.
A
Yeah,
absolutely
I'd
be
more
than
happy
to
when
I
know,
commissioner,
hearts.
A
Yeah,
if
we
can
have
well
we'll
have
commissioner
hearts
and
commissioner
devinish
myself
and
commissioner
rantz
draft
the
letter
for
a
welcome
letter
for
the
first
independence
bank.
A
Do
we
need
to
amend
that
motion
and
then
can
we
have
a
second
on
that?
I.
D
Think
ashley
gold
did
you
say
something
did
you
want
to
participate.
A
Yeah
miss
nath
is
that
does
that
get
into
open
meeting
law
issues?
What
is
that
we
have,
or
maybe
that's
not
a
question,
but
that
is
that
five
people.
G
Okay
yep,
so
I'm
sorry,
I'm
trying
to
count
and
the
trick
here
is
that
it's
we
do
not
need.
We
need
to
have
less
than
a
quorum
of
any
of
our
subcommittees.
So
I
believe,
if
you
keep
it
at
three,
I'm
sure
you're
fine.
Once
you
go
to
four
you,
we
need
to
check
against
the
subcommittee
rosters,
so
I
would
defer
to
kayla.
Since
I
know
she
knows
who
is
on
which
subcommittee
can.
A
We
can,
I
actually
have
a
subcommittee
take
this
on
and
then
whoever
is
interested
in
participating
join
with
that
meeting
that
is
or
when
or
would
this
be
something
we
can
scratch
that
so
did
did
you
want
to
check
with
kayla?
If
that
is
the
case,.
G
Kayla,
are
you
present?
Can
you
weigh
in.
H
Yeah
I
mean
I
can
pull
up
the
list,
I'm
basing
off
just
my
knowledge
right.
So
commissioner
rants
you're
on
the
workforce
subcommittee,
but
it
doesn't
sound
like
anybody
else's,
commissioner
hearts
you're
on
policy
and
procedure
right
and
then
we
would
have
two
people
from
research
and
engagement
in
commissioner
gold
and
commissioner
devnish
correct.
I'm
not
looking
at
a
list.
So
if
I
got
any
of
that
wrong,
I
apologize.
L
H
H
A
You
for
clarifying
that
I
didn't
understand
that
at
first
so
yeah
so
we'll
have
commissioners
hearts
france,
commissioner
devinish
and
commissioner
gold
and
myself,
and
did
we
have
a
second
on
that
commissioner
devinish.
A
Yeah
we'll
have
the
clerk
call
the
role.
Please.
B
C
B
L
I
B
E
A
We
have
12
eyes.
Thank
you
with
that.
That
motion
passes
and
we
will
be
able
to
draft
that
letter
and
bring
that
back
to,
hopefully,
our
next
commission
meeting
right
for
october
and
then
was
there
anything
else.
Commissioner
rants.
I
No,
that
was
that
was
it.
A
Okay,
great
yeah,
I'm
excited
so
just
thinking
about,
because
I
know
we
have
this
meeting.
Does
anyone
want
to
take
the
lead
on
scheduling
something?
I
can
definitely
do
that.
Otherwise,
if
we
want
to
do
that
now,
I
know
we've
done
otherwise.
L
A
That's
what
I
have
thank
you,
yeah
and
so
for
item
six
on
the
agenda.
Yeah
we'll
be
talking
about
the
connection
we
wanted
to
make
between
the
department
of
justice
and
mccr,
and
I
did
reach
out
to
them
for
last
our
last
meeting
and
they
said
they'd
be
more
than
happy
to
come
present.
I
did.
A
I
asked
them
if
they
would
be
able
to
explain
what
took
place,
what
will
take
place
in
their
investigation
into
the
minneapolis
police
department
and
then
how
to
assist
with
achieving
any
goals
that
need
to
be
met,
and
so
there
yeah
they
would
love
to
be
able
to
come
to
our
meeting
and
and
talk
about
that.
They
also
wanted.
A
We
were
wondering
if
there
was
anybody
that'd
be
interested
like
they
want
to
meet
before
so
just
curious
if
anyone
would
be
interested
in
doing
any
planning
of
a
conversation,
but
I
know
we
just
formed
a
few
groups,
so
maybe
we
can
have
them
join
one
of
our
meetings
and
then
we
can,
you
know,
come
out
of
something
with
that
and
maybe
I
can
just
meet
with
them
to
schedule.
I
don't
know
how
that
works.
That's
appropriate
or
not,
but
I'm
leaving
that
open
to
what
commissioners
think.
A
A
I'm
excited
for
that,
commissioner.
Sunyani.
Oh
wait!
That
was
a
chat.
Sorry
I
saw
sunyani
and
rants
was
talking
happy
to
help
okay,
yeah,
absolutely
owen!
Oh!
That
was
the
previous
comment.
Okay
yeah,
commissioner
tsunyani.
That
would
be
more
than
yeah
so
well.
A
The
logistics
part
of
this
is
getting
me
a
little
bit
lost
right
now.
If
I,
if
commissioner
signiani
and
I
are
able
to
connect
and
convene
a
meeting
and
maybe
yeah
we'll
just
have
a
motion
to
have
a
meeting
to
plan
them
coming
to
come
to
one
of
our
future
meetings
to
present
on
this
topic,.
A
So
I
guess
we
can
have
a
motion
for
having
that
hap,
making
the
connection
between
the
department
of
justice
and
civil
rights
commission
and
having
them
do
a
presentation
into
their
investigation.
Do
we
have
a
second.
A
A
Opinion
yeah,
okay,
that
sounds
good
well,
we'll
connect
to
meet
with
them
to
discuss
the
logistics
and
then
have
them
come
and
meet
and
we'll
be
able
to
figure
out
some
action
items,
maybe
some
ways
that
we
can
work
on
things
with
them.
But
I'm
excited
to
be
able
to
be
a
part
of
that
presentation
and
having
a
look
into
that.
A
But
if
there
aren't
any
other
questions
or
any
other
notes
from
commissioners,
I
will
direct
the
clerk
to
oh
yeah.
Commissioner
rants.
Please.
I
And
and
chairman,
it
may
also
give
the
commission
time
to
find
any
prior
reports
or
studies
or
analysis.
I
You
know
to
be
able
to
present
and
to
to
offer
them
if
we
kind
of
have
a
sense
of
what
may
be
helpful
and,
and
so
because
I
because
there's
been
a
lot
of
great,
you
know
research
and
information
and
stuff
that's
been
compiled
by
the
commission.
Up
into
this
point,
so
kind
of
someone
kind
of
getting
a
sense
of
intelligence
of
what
may
be
helpful
could
give
us
time
to
prepare.
A
Yeah,
I
love
that
I
have
some
great
notes
from
a
conversation
that
I
was
able
to
have
with
frank
before
he
left
the
department
about
some
of
those
questions
that
I'd
be
able
to
ask.
I'm
looking
forward
to
doing
that
and
same
with
whoever
would
be
interested.
So
please,
let
me
know
if
that
is
something
that
you'd
be
wanting
to
plug
into.
I
was
we,
as
I
mentioned
before,
commissioner
farrar.
A
He
did
resign
the
commission
and
he
is
going
to
be
with
his
mother
in
spain
and
so
my
blessings
to
him.
A
However,
I
know
that
this
was
something
that
he
was
very
much
interested
in
and-
and
I'm
just
grateful
that
you
know
we
have
an
opportunity
to
continue
to
push
this
forward
and
really
address
the
inequalities
and
the
inequities
that
we're
seeing
in
this,
the
city
that
are
very
rampant
and,
as
we
can
see
there,
from
housing
to
home
ownership,
to
like
I
said
before,
we
have
education
and
and
just
employment
gaps
overall,
and
so
how
can
we
support
our
community?
A
The
next
order
of
business
is
the
acceptance
of
public
comments,
and
I
will
ask
the
floor
to
invite.
I
will
open
the
floor
and
invite
comments
from
the
community.
Each
speaker
will
be
allowed
two.
B
A
A
I
currently
don't
see
any
and
so
seeing
none
we'll
move
to
the
final
item
on
our
agenda
and
which
is
a
report
from
the
standing
committees
and
task
forces
that
we
have,
and
so
we'll
start
with.
If
there's
an
update
from
the
community
engagement
subcommittee.
M
This
commissioner,
gold,
we
had
some
like
quorum
issues
and
then
folks
were
out
of
town,
so
we
really
haven't
had
too
much.
We
don't
have
too
much
of
an
update
for
you.
Unfortunately,
but
next
month
I'm
sure
we
will.
M
A
Commissioner,
gold,
I'm
looking
forward
to
next
month.
Next,
we
have
the
standards
and
procedures
subcommittee.
F
Yes,
thank
you.
The
the
only
thing
to
report
on
standards
and
procedures
is
that
rule
601
of
internal
operating
rules
regarding
attendance
has
now
has
now
been
adopted
and
is
part
of
it.
So
it's
it's
already.
It's
been
incorporated
into
our
rules
and
if
anyone
needs
to
look
at
it,
they
can
get
it.
You
know
on
the
website.
A
Thank
you
very
much,
commissioner
fine
and
then
next
we
have
the
workforce
and
contract
compliance
subcommittee.
I
Yes,
so
we
had
a
guest
at
our
meeting
and
marvin
smith,
who
is
the
the
head
of
the
minority
contractors
for
the
state
of
minnesota,
and
he
gave
some
some
testimony
and
some
information
in
regards
to
you
know
his
contractors
and
his
constituents.
I
You
know
applying
for
contracts
and
things
like
that
with
the
city
of
minneapolis
and
he's
going
to
provide
for
us
some
studies
that
have
been
conducted
through
the
university
of
minnesota
and
he's
also
willing
to
return
with
some
of
his
members
who
have
had
firsthand.
You
know
experiences
with
contracting
with
the
city
of
minneapolis,
with
the
intent
of
offering
best
practices
in
regards
to
you
know
how
the
process
can
be
improved,
but
I
I
found
it
to
be
a
very
helpful.
I
C
A
Yeah,
okay
and
I
feel
like
I've
kind
of
I've
already
given
most
of
my
updates,
so
we
don't
have
chair,
shoe,
make
or
vice
chair
shoe
make
here,
but
I
had
on
here
just
a
conversation
with
a
note
about
the
community
planning
and
economic
development
crew
with
the
city.
So
really
looking
forward
to
that
and
then
again
just
really
wanted
to
step
back
and
maybe
even
have,
if
kayla
ever
there's
other
city
staff.
A
Maybe
just
advise
on
this
because
I
know
this
has
been
a
conversation
in
the
future
in
the
past,
but
we
talked
about
our
commissioners
and
if
we're
going
to
replace
them
when
they
if
they
do
resign,
I
know
we're
coming
to
we're
in
september
so,
but
I
did
want
to
just
note
that
again,
commissioner,
swift
did
have
to
step
back
at
this
time
and
commissioner
farrar,
like
I
had
just
mentioned,
left
for
spain,
but
then
we
also
have
commissioner,
with
seth,
who
resigned
and
relocated
to,
I
believe
it
was
omaha
and
and
mary
commissioner
fee
as
well.
A
I
believe
maybe
we
gave
that
update
too,
but
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
I
highlighted
those
again,
maybe
for
those
of
you
that
weren't
able
to
to
be
there,
but
I
I
also
wonder
you
know
if
there's
if,
if
with
that
information,
how
subcommittees
are
feeling
supported
and
if
you
know
we
need
to
think
about
ways
to
you
know
just
be
creative
with
the
recent
departures
or
and
if
that
is
impacting
the
commission
in
the
work
that
we're
currently
doing.
A
I
don't
I
open
open
it,
for
you
know
if
there's
any
comments
that
anyone
does
have,
but
I
feel
like.
Maybe
this
is
something
that
we
can
also
consider.
As
I
know
that
the
commissioner,
you
know
the
year's
ending,
I
would
think,
maybe
we're
not
going
to
replace
anybody
anymore.
But,
oh,
I
see.
A
Okay
and
commissioner
cobia
did
put
the
recording
to
the
video
in
the
in
the
recording
to
the
last
that
meeting
with
marvin
smith
in
the
chat
for
those
of
you.
That
would
like
to
watch
that.
Oh
yes,
commissioner,
devinish
and
then
commissioner
simiani.
D
Yes,
usually
we
get
emails
about
commissioners
whose
term
may
be
ending
and
what
is
needed
to
reapply
if
they're
still
interested
and
also
this
question
might
be
for
the
higher
up
is
you
know,
I
suggest
that
we
do
something
in
the
newspaper
ads,
that's
to
be
determined,
but
the
reason
why
I
ask
that
is
because
what
are
some
ways
that
this
commission
can
try
to
bring
in
more
diversity.
D
D
So
once
again
I
asked
if
we
could
do
newspaper
ads,
that's
pending,
so
just
open
that
up
for,
I
guess,
discussion
and
hierarchy.
D
I
got
it
did
that
still
be
to
be
determined.
E
D
Of
all
yeah,
that
was
my
suggestion-
is
to
write
something
in
the
starter
tribune
or
local
papers,
and
that
idea
is
currently
on
hold,
because
I
was
thinking
well,
we
could
list
our
community
members.
We
could
tell
people
how
to
file
a
complaint
with
the
civil
rights
commission.
We
could
tell
people
how
to
be
a
board
on
the
commission,
because
not
everyone
has
access
to
the
internet.
Now
everybody
wants
access
to
the
internet.
So
there
are,
you
know,
star
tribune
is
one
of
the
highest
another
form
of
communication.
I
Yeah,
I
also
think
that
there
should
be
more
of
a
concerted
effort
that
there's
diversity
in
the
different
wards
of
the
city
as
well,
so
that
there's
you
know,
there's
balance.
I
A
D
J
I
did
I
just
I
guess
I
just
wanted
to
say.
I
thought
that
commissioner
devinish's
idea
was
a
great
idea.
To
I
mean
I
think
I
mean
realistically,
an
ad
is
likely
prohibitively
expensive
for
us,
but
I
don't
see
why
we
couldn't.
J
You
know
reach
out
to
the
political
reporters
at
the
strip
or
at
the
major
like
fox
and
kare11,
and
what
have
you
to
local
local
people?
You
know
to
see
if
they'd
be
interested
in
talking
to
someone
about
how
do
you
file
a
complaint?
You
know
I
mean
that's,
that's
real
useful
information
for
their
viewers
and
firmly
falls
into
the
category
of
public
service.
J
H
Actually
my
hand
was
up
for
an
unrelated
reason,
but
yes,
this
is
something
that
andrea
is
looking
into
it's
just.
Unfortunately,
it's
been
on
a
list
of
a
variety
of
things
that
we've
been
looking
into
collectively,
so
it
just
hasn't
been
gotten
to
yet,
but
can
be
soon,
and
I
actually
had
my
hand
up
just
because
I
was
gonna
provide
the
the
timeline
for
new
commissioners.
Is
this
an
appropriate
time
to
do
that?
H
Okay,
so
we
yes,
so
in
your
question
of
if
we're
going
to
replace
anybody
before
the
beginning
of
next
year
likely
not
just
because
we're
actually
already
accepting
applications
for
the
january
folks,
so
we're
already
kind
of
in
that
process
and
by
the
time
we
did
any
other
process,
it'd
probably
be
around
the
same
time.
By
the
time
we
posted
accepted
applications.
H
All
of
that,
so
I
just
was
going
to
put
out
there
that
the
applications
are
due
for
folks
who
would
like
to
serve
on
the
commission
starting
in
2022
by
october
1st.
So
the
deadline
is
coming
up.
F
H
So
I
was
actually
that
was
going
to
be
a
part
of
my
update
was
to
encourage
you
all
to
get
the
word
out
as
much
as
you
can
and
invite
folks
to
apply
who
might
be
interested,
and
then
I
was
also
just
going
to
note
that
we
did
send
an
email
out
diana
sent
an
email
out
to
all
commissioners
who
are
up
for
kind
of
their
term
expiring
and
would
need
to
reapply
if
they'd
like
to
remain
on
the
commission.
H
So
you
should
have
received
that
if
you
are
one
of
the
commissioners
whose
term
is
ending,
I
also
can
put
in
the
chat.
If
anyone
is
concerned,
I
do
have
a
roster
I'll
put
the
website
that
has
the
roster,
which
does
have
you
know
when
your
term
expires.
If
you'd
just
like
to
take
a
look
at
that,
I
just
put
it
in
the
chat.
A
So,
with
applications
being
due
october,
1st,
which
was
which
is
much
sooner
than
it
was
last
year-
I
think
it
was
like
october
then
november,
and
then
it
moved
to
december
or
something
so.
I.
H
Was
gonna
say
we
we
do
have
the
ability
to
extend
it
and
last
year.
I
believe
we
did
that.
I
was
not
fully
involved
at
that
point
of
the
process,
but
I
think
we
didn't
actually
have
enough
applicants
yet,
and
so
we
extended
it.
So
we
certainly
would
consider
doing
that,
especially
if
we,
you
know,
don't
really
have
a
critical
mass
at
that
october.
1St
deadline,
okay,.
A
And
so
with
that
being
really
relevant
to
chair
definition's
idea
and
inquiry
into
how
we're
able
to
advertise
those
things,
what
what
is
the
con?
What
are
we,
I
guess
I'm
I'm
just
curious
what
we're
waiting
for
and
if,
if
we're
able
to
just
post
an
article
in
the
startup
tribune
and
use
our
three
thousand
dollar
use
some
of
our
budget,
but.
H
A
H
A
And
then
well
one
in
in
terms
of
that
thinking
I
see
commissioner
rants
and
bird
quest.
I
was
just
thinking,
commissioner
gold,
and
I
think
it's
commissioner
folk
have
access
to
the
facebook
page
as
well,
and
so
what
I'm
wondering
if,
if
maybe
there's
some
work,
that
we
can
do
around
that,
if
somebody
would,
you
know,
be
able
to
have
access
to
that.
Maybe
we
could
do
some
outreach
as
well.
A
I
don't
know
if
I
know
we've
talked
about
the
facebook
a
lot,
but
I
don't
know
if
it's
how
how
we're
running
it
or
anything
yet,
but
I
I
did
see,
commissioner
ranch
your
hand
is
down
now.
So
I'm
going
to
go
to
commissioner
bergquist.
N
I
just
wanted
to
suggest
there's
nothing
prohibiting
any
individual
commissioner,
like
our
chair
or
somebody
else
from
writing
in
their
individual
capacity,
a
letter
to
the
editor
of
the
star
tribune
encouraging
people
to
apply.
I
don't
think
that
would
be
objectionable
and
somebody
can.
Somebody
from
the
city
can
tell
me
otherwise,
but
as
long
as
it's
clear
that
you're
writing
in
your
individual
capacity,
let
them
know
of
the
october
1st
deadline.
That's
a
lot
easier
than
getting
a
reporter
to
write
a
story
because
they
have
limited
space.
A
We
have,
commissioner,
sorry
miss
nafe
or
commissioner
definition
is
your
hand
still
up.
G
Certainly,
I
just
wanted
to
respond
to
what
appeared
to
be
a
question
from
commissioner
burkwest.
G
A
Thank
you
and
that's
that's
all
I
have,
but
I
appreciate
everyone's
input
into
that
and
I'm
looking
forward
to
to
being
able
to
get
started
in
that.
I
think
I'm
gonna
put
together.
A
I'm
gonna
put
together
like
a
little
draft
of
like
a
email
that
I'm
going
to
send
to
the
star
tribune,
but
I
can
send
it
out
to
people
if
they
would
be
interested
in
having
that
as
a
copied
form
like
for
where
to
apply
and
different
things
like
that.
So
I'll
put
that
together
and
maybe
that's
something
that
we'll
be
able
to
use
to
do
some
advertising.
H
Thanks
very
much
so
that
was
part
of
my
update
was.
I
was
planning
to
to
talk
about
that.
I
also
wanted
to
highlight
that,
unfortunately,
the
training
on
thursday
with
cassidy
has
been
cancelled.
I
did
send
that
out,
but
I'm
hoping
people
saw
it
and
want
to
just
reiterate
so
that
folks
know
that'll,
hopefully
be
able
to
be
rescheduled
in
a
few
weeks.
H
So
keep
an
eye
out
for
that,
and
we
will
let
you
know
as
soon
as
we
find
a
new
date,
but
apologies
for
any
inconvenience
in
regards
to
that,
and
then
the
only
other
thing
that
I
wanted
to
highlight
specifically
because
vice
chair
shoemaker
is
not
here
and
she
always
does
such
a
great
job
of
plugging
just
reminders
for
review
panels.
H
So
what
I
wanted
to
do
is
I'm
just
going
to
list
all
the
commissioners
that
are
on
either
remaining
august
cases
or
september
cases
where
you
should
have
all
of
the
materials
that
you
need
to
be
able
to
meet,
and
we
were
asking
that
folks
complete
those
by
september
24th,
because
we
are
on
a
case,
completion
deadline
with
the
eeoc
and
we
have
completed
cases
that
are
just
awaiting
your
review
as
commissioners.
H
So
that's
why
we're
asking
for
just
a
little
earlier
than
the
actual
end
of
the
month,
so
we
have
some
time
to
process
those
so
I'll
list
the
commissioners
some
commissioners
might
have
more
than
one,
but
the
key
in
me
listing
these
is
just
like.
If
you
hear
your
name
and
you
had
no
idea,
you
were
on
a
panel
or
if
you
have
questions,
hopefully
this
just
jogs
you
to
get
in
touch
with
us.
I'm
not
gonna,
obviously,
list
case
names
or
anything
like
that.
H
For
the
you
know,
privacy
issues,
of
course
that
are
at
at
issue
here.
So,
commissioners,
burquest
fine
hearts,
herkman,
swift,
who's
and
actually
now
that
we're
saying
that
we're
going
to
need
to
replace
that
person
yani
lord
cobia,
shumake
and
shepard
are
all
on
panels
that
should
be
completed
by
the
24th.
H
If
that
sounds
totally
inaccurate
to
you,
please
reach
out
to
matthew.
Who
is
our
person
that
organizes
all
of
our
panels
or
you
can
reach
out
to
me
as
well,
of
course,
and
I
can
connect
you
with
him,
but
with
that
I
think
that's
my
only
update.
I
really
appreciate
continued
work
with
the
commission
and
some
you
know
difficult
issues
that
we
worked
through
recently,
and
I
just
I
appreciate
the
engagement
as
always,
and
my
door
is
open.
If
you
have
you
know,
additional
questions
want
to
connect
on
other
things.
H
I
guess
I
could
give
a
couple
updates
of
connecting
with
city
folks.
I
should
have
a
meeting
on
the
schedule
with
the
office
of
violence
prevention
with
the
folks,
the
commissioners
that
I've
been
working
with
on
the
gun,
violence,
accountability,
task
force-
hopefully
sometime
next
week,
so
keep
an
eye
out
for
an
email
about
scheduling.
H
For
that
and
then
a
meeting
was
scheduled
and
is
going
to
occur
next
week
with
intergovernmental
relations
within
the
city
as
well,
so
working
on
that
and
happy
to
continue
working
on
that
type
of
thing
with
you
know,
assisting
with
reaching
out
to
cped
and
happy
to
to
continuing
conversation,
if
there's
other
folks
within
the
city
that
you'd
like
to
be
connected
with.
So
with
that.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
Thank
you
so
much
kayla
for
your
continued
effort
and
just
being
able
to
continue
to
push
back
in
the
and
work
with
the
city
and
and
be
our
voice.
So
you're
always
appreciated
for
that,
and
I
just
look
forward
to
our
continued
connections,
especially
upcoming
with
hopefully
not
upcoming,
but
hopefully
upcoming
with
cped.
A
But
with
that
we
have
concluded
all
items
on
our
agenda
for
this
meeting
and
I'll
see
everyone
back
here
next
month
for
the
october
18th
2021
meeting
regular
meeting
and
seeing
no
further
business
to
come
before
us
and
without
objection.
I
will
declare
this
meeting
adjourned.
A
Yeah
we
can
those
who
want
to
stay,
and
we
can
figure
out
a
time
that
works
for
our
meeting
thanks.
Everyone.