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A
Maybe
this
is
the
online
meeting
of
the
february
17th
community
environmental
advisory
commission.
I
wanted
to
just
provide
some
instructions
on
the
use
of
the
teams,
meeting
and
kind
of
how
that
works
out.
We're
going
to
be
looking
at
this
screen.
If
you
hover
your
icon
over
the
center
of
the
screen,
you'll
be
able
to
see-
or
you
may
have
this
at
the
top
of
your
screen-
the
various
different
icons
over
there-
I'm
gonna
run
through
it,
as
it
looks
like
on
mine,
so
you'll
be
able,
and
hopefully
we'll.
A
Obviously,
most
of
you
know
how
this
all
works.
So
moving
from
left
to
right
on
the
toolbar
you'll
see
that
there's
an
icon
that
looks
like
two
people.
This
is
the
participant
icon.
That
shows
who
is
on
the
online
meeting
who's.
There
are
some,
of
course,
that
are
shown
just
as
the
phone
numbers,
but
we'll
go
through
those
as
well
too.
Next
is
the
conversation
button.
This
really
shows
sort
of
the
meeting
chat
features
it's
also
referred
to
referred
to.
A
You
can
use
this
button
to
open
the
meeting
panel
chat,
which
will
appear
on
the
right
hand,
side
of
the
screen,
and
if
you
want
to
be
recognized
by
the
chair,
you
can
put
in
a
comment
here
or
question
so
that
the
chair
can
recognize
you.
You
can
also
use
the
next
icon
over,
which
is
the
raise
your
hand
icon,
which
is
probably
the
preferred
way,
because
then
we
can
see
exactly
who
that
is
on
the
photo
icons.
A
The
next.
After
the
raise
your
hand,
icon
is
a
series
of
three
dots.
Those
are
sort
of
the
system
features
and
backgrounds
generally,
don't
need
to
use
that
for
this
particular
meeting,
then
you
have
the
video
camera
where
you'll
find
the
toggle
that
turns
on
and
off
your
video.
When
you
are
speaking,
please
turn
on
your
camera.
A
A
We
ask
that,
if,
if
you
aren't
speaking,
you
mute
your
microphone
to
improve
the
overall
audio
quality
of
the
meeting
and
only
the
chair
should
leave
their
microphone
on
throughout
the
meeting
I'll
I'll
leave
mine
on
most
of
the
time,
but
in
presentations
and
things
it's
nice
to
have
that
turned
off
and
then
finally,
you'll
see
that
you
have
to
the
right
of
that
mic.
Is
the
share
screen
button
not
going
to
be
using
this?
A
Our
presenter
liz
is
going
to
be
using
this,
I'm
going
to
be
using
it
a
little
bit
later
on,
but
that
is
to
share
your
screen.
If
you
want
to
be
as
part
of
the
discussion
sharing
something
on
your
computer
and
then
the
next
button
you'll
see
is
the
red
icon
button,
which
is
how
you
stop
your
participation
in
the
meeting.
Please
do
not
push
this
unless
you
are
going
to
be
leaving
the
meeting.
A
Okay,
great
before
we
start
the
meeting,
we
want
to
just
quickly
review
a
couple
other
instructions
in
regards
to
the
city,
clerk
and
open
meeting
laws.
So
under
the
state's
open
meeting
law,
all
votes
during
the
online
meeting
must
be
taken
by
roll
call,
and
this
includes
the
election
roll
call
today.
This
will
require
each
member
to
activate
the
microphone
and
give
their
vote
verbally
and
then
turn
the
microphone
back
off.
A
So
I
think
everyone
has
a
good
understanding
of
how
that's
going
to
work.
So
as
a
reminder,
if
you
want
to
be
wish
to
be
to
speak,
please
raise
your
hand
or
you
can
put
some
comment
in
the
in
the
chat
box,
but
raise
your
hand
would
be
great,
and
then
the
chair
can
call
on
you.
A
If
anyone
would
like
to
make
a
motion,
we
it's
that's
something
we've
done
verbally
as
well
too,
but
it's
possible
to
type
it
out.
We
can
then
have
record
that
very
accurately
and
then,
if
there's
anything
that
folks
have
a
technical
issue
on
please
email
me
in
the
outlook.
Invite
is
the
my
email
address
and
I
can
help
you
take
care
of
things
on
this
side.
So
if
there
are
any
questions,
then
we
can
get
started
so.
B
Can
I
just
interrupt
for
a
quick
second
kim
just
as
a
heads
up
if
you
are
on,
if
you
are
not
muted,
I
do
have
the
power
to
mute
people.
B
So
if
you
at
some
point
find
yourself
muted,
just
as
a
heads
up
I'll
make
sure
to
try
to
call
on
you
so
that
you
can
get
yourself
back
off
of
mute.
If
you
are
calling
in
by
phone,
you
may
need
to
press
star
six
in
order
to
unmute
yourself.
B
B
Barbara,
just
as
a
heads
up
you're
on
the
meeting
twice
and
it
was
having
some
feedback,
so
I
did
put
you
on
mute.
Okay,.
A
Okay,
so
good
aft
good
afternoon,
my
name
is
kim
havey,
I'm
the
director
of
sustainability,
and
so
I'm
going
to
be
staffing
this
before
we
begin
I'd
like
to
note
that
this
meeting
includes
the
remote
participation
of
members
as
authorized
under
minnesota
statutes,
section
13d
.021
due
to
the
declared
local
health
pandemic,
and
I
will
now
call
the
meeting
to
order
and,
oh
actually,
I'm
sorry,
I'm
reading
part
of
your
script
on
that.
Aaron.
Sorry
about
that.
So
I
will
then
turn
that
over
to
aaron.
At
this
point,.
B
Thank
you
for
that.
I
just
was
wondering
if
we
needed
to
do
a
test,
roll
call
before
we
start
or
if
we
should
just
use
the
agenda
and
meeting
minutes
as
like
our
test,
roll
call.
A
Yeah
we
we
can
do
a
roll
call
of
the
members
just
to
get
the
quorum
official.
So
that's
our
initial
roll
call
and
then
we
can
do
a
roll
call
for
the
meeting
and
the
minutes
together.
B
Yep:
okay,
perfect:
I
forgot
that
that
was
part
of
my
script
so
good
evening,
I'm
erin
nehoff
and
I'm
the
current
chair
of
the
community
environmental
advisory
commission.
Before
we
begin
just
noting
again
that
we
have
remote
participation
as
authorized
under
minnesota
statute,
section
13d
point:
zero.
Twenty
one
ali
will
call
the
meeting
to
order
and
ask
him
to
call
the
role
so
that
we
may
verify
the
presence
of
a
quorum.
A
Terrific,
thank
you
so
just
say
present
or
here,
cebenta
ayansa.
C
D
E
E
F
G
D
A
I'm
gonna
come
back
nick
minderman.
F
F
F
A
She
is
on
there,
so
let's
just
call
her
here.
I
see
her
in
attendance,
so
we
have
15
members
in
attendance,
so
we
have
a
quorum.
D
A
A
Okay-
oh
sorry
about
that
leslie
all
right:
okay,
okay!
So
yes,
we
have
15
members,
and
so
we
have
a
quorum.
B
Great
thanks
kim
so
the
first
item
on
our
agenda
is
adoption
of
the
agenda
for
today's
meeting
and
also
acceptance
of
the
meeting
minutes.
Well,
I
would
say
for
both
january
and
december.
Sorry
I
didn't
catch
that
kim,
but
we
didn't
approve
the
december
minutes
yet.
B
A
All
right
here
we
go
sabetta
onyansa.
C
F
I
J
E
I
abstain
cause.
I
was
not
at
the
last
meeting.
A
F
A
F
F
F
B
B
Great
so
as
we
get
going
here
today,
I
just
want
to
read
through
the
land
acknowledgement
statement
that
we
use
as
we
meet
here
today.
We
are
reminded
that
minneapolis
is
situated
on
the
homelands
of
the
dakota
people,
an
area
that
is
steeped
in
rich
indigenous
history
and
today
is
home
to
indigenous
people
from
more
than
30
different
nations.
B
I
I
was
trying
to
raise
my
hand,
I'm
not
sure
if
that
was
me.
Okay,
just
one
thing,
if
we
could
fix
that
second
sentence,
which
is
not
actually
a
sentence
in
the
online
acknowledgement.
I
That's
just
gonna
bug
me
every
time,
but
to
the
point,
I
would
encourage
everyone
individually
to
check
out
tinyurl.com,
resist
line
3
for
ways
to
get
involved
in
the
movement
to
stop
the
line.
3
pipeline
replacement
expansion
in
northern
minnesota
that
violates
treaty
rights
and
threats,
wild
rice,
et
cetera,
et,
etc,
you're
probably
all
familiar.
B
I
It's
quite
lengthy,
I've
seen
the
resolution.
I
think
it's
about
four
pages
long
and
I
can
try
to
share
it.
It's
just
in
a
drive
doc
and
I
don't
know
any
other
details.
Okay,.
B
D
I
would
be
interested,
of
course,
I'd
like
to
see
what
language
they're
using
is
you
know,
and
not
just
to
make
it
a?
I
guess,
an
exercise
in
optics
but
more
something
meaningful.
F
B
And
looks
like
mark
would
also
be
interested
okay,
so
I
think
that
that's
something
we
should
definitely
discuss
further,
especially
with
when
we
get
into
the
additional
topics
to
explore
component
of
the
agenda.
B
Okay,
commissioner,
announcements.
B
E
F
Gazette
with
friends
lake
hiawatha,
there
is
the
vote
tonight
with
the
park
board
for
the
master
plan
for
the
lake.
I
want
them
golf
course
master
plan
and
I
sent
you
guys
info
to
put
in
the
chat
there.
Friends
like
how,
with
the
dev
support,
approving
the
new
master
plan
developed
by
the
park
board.
E
Thanks
and
if,
if
I
could
add
for
upper
harbor
terminal,
they've
recently
released
a
scoping
document
which
is
part
of
the
alternative
urban
area-wide
review,
and
there
are
some
environmental
pieces
to
that.
So
perhaps
it's
something
that
we
could
raise
in
the
business
section
as
well.
B
J
B
Thanks
kim,
did
you
want
to
make
any
announcements
about
the
hennepin
county
climate
action
plan
or
anything
else.
A
Yeah
you
know
I
did
in
include
a
link
into
the
the
outlook
invite
which
had
the
agenda
and
things
like
that
in
so
there
is
a
we
just
sent
out
a
sustainability
newsletter
which
includes
a
link
to
the
hennepin
county's
plan
that
they
have
climate
action
plan
comments
I
believe,
are
due
march
3rd.
I
encourage
folks
to
take
a
look
at
it.
It's
as
a
pretty
well
laid
out
website
and
easy
to
understand
lots
of
good
things
that
are
that
are
in
there.
A
So
that's
that's
they're.
Looking
for
public
comment
on
that-
and
I
think
sandy
also
mentioned
the
that
they're
doing
a
scoping
service
for
an
environmental
assessment
at
the
upper
harbor
terminal,
so
that's
kind
of
a
big
action
going
on
on
the
south
side.
A
There's
also
we've
been
waiting
for
an
environmental
assessment
worksheet
to
be
completed
on
the
hiawatha
public
works
project,
but
we've
been
monitoring
that
on
a
weekly
basis
from
the
environmental
quality
board
at
the
state
level,
and
and
have
not
seen
that
our
understanding
is
the
work
was
completed
by
the
consultant
at
the
end
of
the
year,
and
so
it's
it's
it
in.
It
is
no
longer
in
the
city's
hands
who
originally
let
the
contract
out,
but
it
has
been
submitted
for
eqb
and
then
it
goes
through
a
process
there.
A
So
we'll
be
keeping
folks
informed
on
that,
because
there
will
be
an
opportunity
to
comment,
but
that
will
show
kind
of
the
impacts,
including
the
cumulative
impacts
as
best
they
can
be
assessed
on
a
project
like
that,
so
that
should
be
coming
out
fairly
soon.
I
actually
was
told
it
was
going
to
be
out
in
early
february.
So
that's
that's
another
thing,
that's
out
there.
F
And
one
other
point
on
the
hennepin
county
climate
action
plan,
I
will
be
having
sample
comments
available
on
the
rcc
website
on
the
hennepin
county
page.
We
have
just
because
it's
easy
for
the
county
to
look
on
just
getting
its
own
county
operations
to
reduce
carbon
without
looking
to
how
to
impact
community.
You
know
carbon
reduction
county
wide,
so
we're
we
have
a
lot
of
ideas
of
how
the
city
and
counties
in
the
county
and
cities
can
team
up
to
reduce
driving
and
many
other
things.
F
So
that's
one
of
the
areas
we
would
love
feedback
is
to
make
sure
the
county
is
working
on
how
to
get
toward
county-wide
emissions
reductions.
I'm
not
just
the
county
operations.
B
B
So
moving
on
to
the
next
component
is
the
election,
and
I
do
want
to
just
point
out
that
this
is
the
first
time
as
an
advisory
board
that
we
are
having
an
election
online
in
the
past.
When
we
have
this
in
person,
it
is
much
more
secretive,
and
so
I
do
apologize
for
the
fact
that
we
have
to
do
it
through
a
roll
call
and
there's
nothing
that
I
as
current
chair
can
do
with
that.
B
So
just
apologies
in
advance
for
it,
and
I
am
going
to
turn
things
over
to
kim
for
how
we're
gonna
proceed.
A
Great
thank
you
aaron,
so
I
sent
out
earlier
today
to
just
an
update,
since
we
did
have.
We
had
two
folks
who
had
both
aaron
had
indicated
a
preference
to
run
for
chair
and
then
barbara
at
our
last
meeting,
indicated
a
preference
to
run
for
vice
chair.
So
we
have.
Since
then
anna
johnson
has
indicated
an
interest
in
running
for
vice
chair
as
well
too.
A
So
the
way
that
we'll
proceed
is
that
we'll
proceed
initially
with
the
chair
selection
and
then
we'll
proceed
separately
with
the
vice
chair
selection
and
the
process
that
we'll
adhere
to
today
for
the
elections
would
be
that
we'll
have
each
of
the
candidates
or
the
candidate
make
a
statement
for
up
to
three
minutes.
We
can
then
take
five
minutes
for
questions
from
commissioners.
A
I'll
share
that
time
during
the
time
that
aaron
is
sort
of
standing
for
election
and
then
we'll
go
to
the
vice
chair
positions
and
follow
that
same
situation
with
three
minutes
for
statements
of
interest
and
experience,
and
then
we'll
have
a
five
minutes
for
a
question
and
answer,
and
then
we
will
take
a
roll
call
vote.
B
A
Yeah
I
mean
I'm,
I
guess
I
it
was
not
it's
not
something
that
I
did
check
in
with
our
city
clerk
on
this.
It's
not
something
they
put
into
any
response
that
is
required,
but
maybe,
if
folks
feel
more
comfortable
as
far
as
like
just
you
know,
since
everyone
wants
to
develop
a
relationship,
that
sounds
like
a
good
suggestion,
so
anna,
if
you're
open
to
it
and
barbara
you're
open
to
it.
Maybe
that's
just
as
well.
D
A
No,
it's
all
right,
all
right!
So
aaron!
You
have
up
to
three
minutes
to
just
tell
us
a
little
bit
about
yourself.
Why
you're
interested
in
the
position
and
some
of
your
backgrounds
and
positions
that
you
think
might
be
of
interest
to
the
fellow
cia
commissioners.
B
Kim
I'm
erin
nehoff,
I
reside
in
the
house
neighborhood
of
minneapolis.
If
you
can't
tell,
I
have
two
dogs
who
are
currently
sleeping
on
the
couch
behind
me.
I
will
say
that
they
have
been
my
definite
co-workers
over
this
last
year.
I
work
for
a
non-profit
organization
called
environmental
initiative
main
mission.
There
is
to
bring
people
together
across
difference
to
find
solutions
to
environmental
challenges.
B
So
a
lot
of
my
work
on
a
day-to-day
basis
is
facilitating
meetings
working
on
processes
and
then
also
making
sure
that
the
thing,
the
things
that
are
decided
in
a
group
setting
also
get
done.
B
B
It
is
something
to
where
I'm
hoping
that
over
the
course
of
this
year,
especially
since
it's
a
two-year
term,
other
people
can
decide
for
themselves
if
they
want
to
run
for
chair
next
year.
But
it
is
something
where
I
would
like
to
hand
it
off
to
someone
else.
Since
I
have
been
chair
for
a
number
of
years,.
B
G
This
is
leslie.
I
got
one
since
you've
been
doing
this
so
long
and
you're
ready
for
a
change.
Why
not
and
you're,
expecting
to
be
another
two
years
here
and
you've
been
here
three
years,
why
not
pass
the
baton
on
now,
since
we
have
two
people
wanting
to
run
for
culture
and
then
help
them
to
be
able
to
be
stronger
leaders
and
past
the
baton.
G
So
why
wait
a
whole
another
term.
B
That's
a
great
question
leslie,
and
it
is
something
where
I
am
happy
to
serve
as
a
mentor
to
someone
else
being
chair.
Just
at
our
last
meeting.
Nobody
offered
to
run
for
chair-
and
I
know
that
I
offered
myself
and
it
is
something
to
where
I'm
hoping
to
work
really
closely
with
the
vice
chair.
B
If
I
were
to
be
in
the
chair
position
to
help
with
you
know,
having
somebody
else,
who's
played
a
similar
role
to
me
over
the
last
couple
of
years
to
make
sure
that
the
group
continues
to
run
relatively
smoothly.
All
have
differences
of
opinion
at
different
points
in
time,
but.
J
Oh,
I
think
it's
an
interesting
question
and
I
would
consider
it,
but
I'm
not.
You
seem
to
be
interested
in
running
for
chair
again,
so
I
didn't
volunteer
for.
F
I
Tests,
yeah
I'll,
take
the
opportunity
to
ask
what
you
see
as
the
opportunities
for
seac
to
do
more
community
engagement
obviously
challenging
under
the
circumstances
right
now.
B
That
is
a
great
question.
I'll
say
that
ciac
went
through
quite
a
change
in
our
enabling
resolution
in
2018,
so
that
impacted
the
2019-2020
term
that
just
completed,
but
in
the
past
ciac
as
a
body
was
much
more
technically
focused
much
more
focused
on
business
and
kind
of
the
technical
aspects
of
environmental
work,
and
so
it
wasn't.
There
were
definitely
some
community
concerns
that
came
forward
to
ciac,
but
you
know:
ciac
didn't
really
do
much
around
northern
metals
or
any
other
concerns
that
had
been
brought
forward
to
them
at
that
time.
B
Since
since
then,
and
since
2019
we've
been
trying
to
do
more
to
engage
with
community
members,
we
did
participate
in
open
streets.
We
went
to
the
community
conferences.
What
is
the
what's
the
conference
thing
that
happens
typically
at
the
beginning
of
february.
B
B
Concerns
for
other
people
within
the
city
who
aren't
necessarily
on
this
body.
It's
something
that
I
think
we
definitely
need
to
continue
to
grow
in.
I
don't
think
anything
we're
doing
right
now
is
close
to
perfect,
but
I
I
feel
like
the
direction
that
we're
going
in
is
much
more
community
focused
than
it
used
to
be,
and
I
am
really
excited
about
continuing
to
grow
that
and
would
love
suggestions
and
hearing
what
all
of
you
have
to
say
about
that
as
we
as
we
continue
on.
E
I
did,
I
think,
it's
more
of
like
a
high-level
policy
issue,
but
the
last
sea
sort
of
recognizing
the
difficulties
in
virtual
meetings,
and
particularly
through
the
team's
platform
submitted
a
letter
to
the
city
clerk's
office,
noting
that
you
know
this
is
not
conducive
to
community
engagement,
and
so
maybe
we
can
also
make
changes
at
a
higher
level
within
the
city.
A
Okay
well
saying
none.
We
will
ask
aaron
to
step
away
from
the
her
headphones
and
then
and
her
screen
and
will
take
a
vote
on
chair
to
vote
in
favor
of
of
aaron.
Please
signify
by
saying
yay
or
no,
if
you
are
not
in
favor,
okay,.
A
I
have
got
sebetta
ayansa.
She
has
not
been
here
max
dalton
yay.
D
E
D
F
J
J
L
F
A
So
that
is
13
years
and
no
nays,
so
that
does
carry
now
how
to
bring
her
on
back.
A
Well,
why
don't
we
start
on
in?
I
will
text
her
back
yeah
to
come
back.
Okay,
oh
she's,
coming
back
all
right.
A
Congratulations,
you
have
been
elected
chair
for
the
2021
term,
so
it
is
a
one
year
term.
So
there
are
elections
each
year.
A
Yes,
so
now
that
you're
officially
chair,
should
I
turn
it
back
over
to
you
or
do
you
want
me
to
work
through
the
co-chair
one
as
well.
A
You
bet
okay,
so
I
want
to
just
make
a
a
call:
if
there
is
anyone
else
from
c
that
would
be
interested
in
running
for
co-chair.
You
can
nominate
yourself
if
you
at
this
time.
A
Seeing
none,
we
do
have
two
commissioners
that
are
running
for
vice
chair
anna
johnson
and
barbara
lundy.
A
A
So
just
from
standpoint
of
of
order,
we'll
we'll
start
off
with
anna
johnson.
K
Awesome
thanks
kim,
hey
everybody.
My
name
is
anna
johnson.
I
use
she
her.
Are
they
them
pronouns?
I
live
in
central,
the
central
neighborhood
of
south
minneapolis,
I'm
a
first-term
seac
member,
so
I'm
new
to
the
committee
and
all
of
this,
so
I'm
excited
to
be
here.
I
a
little
bit
about
my
background.
I
grew
up
just
outside
chicago
and
moved
to
did
a
couple
things.
K
You
know
college
and
afterwards
and
then
moved
to
minneapolis
eight
years
ago
and
just
have
felt
very
much
at
home
here
and
have
really
loved
it
so
here
and
here
to
stay
and
really
appreciate
a
lot
of
things
about
the
city,
including
all
the
lakes
and
the
trees
and
sort
of
like
the
the
tree
to
water
ratio
is
always
feels
really
good
to
me.
I'm
interested
in
being
vice
chair,
because
I'm
I'm
interested
in
kind
of
like
helping
to
facilitate
and
craft
an
experience
that
reflects
the
priorities
of
ciac
members.
K
I
don't
like
I
don't.
Obviously,
they
don't
claim
to
have
all
of
the
answers
about
what
we
want
to
be
doing
or
what
we
should
be
doing
but
interested
in
sort
of
the
process
and
helping
to
facilitate
what
commissioners
are
interested
in
and
be
part
of
the
kind
of
brainstorming
team
to
figure
out
how
to
make
our
time
and
our
voices
as
impactful
as
possible,
because
obviously
everyone
joined
this
committee
because
they
care
deeply
about
the
city
and
environmental
issues.
K
My
professional
background
is,
I
I
work
for
a
fresh,
enter
a
non-profit
called
fresh
energy,
so
at
my
day-to-day
I'm
advocating
for
and
thinking
about,
decarbonizing
the
economy,
so
I'd
be
excited
to.
I
feel
kind
of
plugged
into
climate
and
environment
conversations
in
my
work
and
would
be
excited
to
bring
that
those
opportunities
and
potential
experts
and
voices
to
the
committee
and
yeah.
I
think
I
think
that's
that
covers
it,
I'm
I
just
it.
K
I
recognize
that
the
cities
have
a
lot,
a
big
role
to
play
in
addressing
climate
change
and
I
think,
there's
a
lot
of
opportunities
here
to
hold
public
officials
accountable,
engage
with
our
neighborhoods
and
our
neighbors
and
our
communities
and
to
incorporate
climate
justice
and
environmental
justice
into
city
planning
and
city
processes.
So
yeah,
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions
and
I
I'll
email,
my
my
chat's,
not
working
so
I'll
email,
my
phone
number
to
kim
so
I'll
step
away,
and
maybe
kim
can
text
me
when
the
vote
is
complete.
A
J
Well,
I
want
to
thank
aaron
for
her
interest
and
background
and
leading
us
so
far,
and
I
I
have
some
parallels
with
anna.
I
grew
up
near
chicago
and
had
been
here
about
seven
years
and
been
enjoying
the
city
and
the
chance
that
it
has
to
have
that
really
great
environment.
J
I
have
a
science
a
background
in
science,
so
I've
joined
on
to
the
science
is
real
saying
it's
been
going
around
and
also
I'm
a
professional
electrical
engineer.
So
I
I
have
probably
a
view
of
how
things
can
really
work.
So
I,
but
I
would
I
do
want
to
represent
you
know
all
the
people
in
the
city
and
I
want
us
to
maintain
and
even
improve
our
environment
that
we
have.
Recent
issue
is
cpap.
I
guess
is
a
chemical
that
some
people
have
been
using.
J
J
I
think
the
city
staff
has
been
quite
active
in
developing
some
of
their
answers
and
policies,
and
we
could.
We
could
have
a
job
in
being
an
oversight
of
that
and
and
responding
to
that.
So
I
urge
you
all
to
vote
for
me.
I'd
appreciate
your
vote
and
I
am
retired,
so
I
have
might
be
more
time
to
spend
on
on
these
things.
I
currently
working
for
h,
r,
walk
doing
taxes,
but
that's
over
april
15
and
do
babysit
my
grandchildren
too.
A
Terrific,
thank
you
barbara,
so
why
don't
we
open
it
up
for
her
questions?
If
folks
have
individual
questions
or
general
questions
for
both
candidates
raise
your
hand
and
I'll
call
on
you.
A
G
I
have
a,
I
guess,
a
question
for
both
of
them
is
the
same.
What
part
of
chicago
did
you
live
in
and
what
type
of
work
did
you
do?
Basically,
environmental
out
there.
J
I
I
spent
some
time
on
in
des
moines
iowa
and
I
was
on
the
zoning
board
of
adjustment
there.
As
I
said,
I'm
a
professional
electrical
engineer,
I
was
a
certified
energy
auditor.
I
haven't
really
kept
that
up,
but
I
and
I'm
a
member
of
the
minnesota
renewable
energy
society.
K
Thanks
leslie
for
the
question
I
I'm
from
evanston,
which
is
where
barbara
went
to
school
at
northwestern
university.
It's
the
suburb,
just
the
border
chicago
to
the
north.
I
was
just
a
kid
there,
so
I
didn't
do
any
environmental
work,
but
since
college
I've
done
sort
of
like
a
different,
a
variety
of
different
things.
K
I
interned
with
the
white
house
council
on
environmental
quality
when
I
lived
in
dc
for
a
little
bit
done
a
little
bit
of
farming
work
interned
with
max
at
the
mississippi
watershed
management
organization.
When
he
worked
there,
I
helped
start
a
non-profit
that
does
invite
used
to
do
environmental
education
through
canoe
trips.
So
I
was
doing
a
lot
of
canoeing
around
minnesota
and
I
paddled
the
full
length
of
the
mississippi
river
and
kind
of
learned
about
the
environment
and
was
talking
to
folks
about
their
relationship
to
the
river
through
that.
K
Through
that
experience,
and
I
have
a
masters
in
public
policy
from
the
humphrey
school,
where
I
focused
on
energy
and
environmental
policy
and
then
in
my
current
role-
focus
on
mostly
energy
issues
and
getting
the
carbon
emissions
out
of
our
economy
and
and
that
work
is
focused
mostly
on
the
minnesota
state
level.
A
Great
thank
you.
I
see
that
we
did
have
another
question.
Toya.
Did
you
have
a
question
that
you
wanted
to
ask.
B
J
However,
we
do
this
probably
can
aaron
and
kim
can
make
suggestions
but
write
a
report
write
a
letter,
whatever
we
would
do
on
some
particular
issue,
which
we
would
could
have
something
to
say
and
show
that
we've
accomplished
at
least
one
thing.
You
know
at
a
time
first
and
we
can
work
on
other
things
as
well,
but
concentrate
on
something
that
we
can
show
as
a
product.
I
I
have
owned
far
and
managed
owned
and
managed
farmland
since
1974.
J
K
That's
awesome,
that's
a
great
question.
I
I
think
there's
a
there's
a
lot
of
different
things.
I
think
barbara,
that
was
great
advice
from
the
previous
commissioners
is
focusing
because
I
feel
like
there's
a
a
huge
swath
of
of
things
that
we
could
be
doing
and
we
could
be
focusing
on
and
and
and
kind
of
threads
to
pull,
I'm
interested
in,
like
in
sort
of
like
crowdsourcing
among
the
the
committee.
K
What
everyone
else
is
interested
in
I'm
interested
in
in
carbon
emissions
and
also
like
creating
a
more
resilient
and
livable
city.
So
for
the
city
of
minneapolis
and
most
cities,
the
vast
majority
of
carbon
emissions
come
from
transportation
and
buildings.
K
So
there's
a
lot
there,
because
there's
huge
overlaps,
both
with
health
related
to
transportation
and
air
pollution,
so
drawing
down
carbon
emissions
from
transportation
also
has
huge
public
health
impacts
and
benefits
and
then
related
to
buildings.
There's
also
a
huge
opportunity
there
to
invest
in
energy
efficiency
because
it
makes
living
in
your
homes
much
more
affordable.
K
If
you
don't
have
to
pay
as
much
for
utilities
and
and
it
makes
for
a
more
resilient
city,
because
when
we
have
these
huge
swings
and
temperatures
there's
sort
of
less
variability
in
the
monthly
costs,
it
also
creates
a
lot
of
local
jobs.
So
those
are
two
things
that
are
top
of
mind
for
me,
but
I'm
also
interested
in
hearing
what
else
is
top
of
mind
for
other
folks.
A
Okay,
thank
you
and
I'm
not
seeing
any
other
hands
raised,
and
so
since
we
have
taken
about
five
minutes
or
so,
let's
move
forward
unless
there's
any
objection
to
a
vote
and
we
will
do
a
verbal
roll
call,
so
I
do
have
both
of
your
phone
numbers.
So
I
will
text
you
when
take
your
phone
and
I'll
text
you
when
we're
done
with
the
roll
call
boat.
A
A
Okay,
so
I'll
read
through
the
roll
call,
and
just
let
me
know
by
telling
me
their
first
name
and
who
you
would
like
to
see
as
the
ciac
vice
chair
for
2021,
so
max
dalton.
C
A
L
A
A
E
A
G
A
G
G
A
D
H
B
A
A
G
B
A
A
A
So
do
you
wanna?
I
guess
you
know
what
all
right
give
me
just
a
quick
second
I'll
pop
it
up.
A
A
A
A
A
J
J
E
A
A
Great
hi
well
thank
both
of
you,
anna
and
barbara,
and
actually
I
really
enjoyed
that
hearing
a
little
bit
about
your
backgrounds
and
interests
and
things
that's
great.
The
vote
was
taken
and
anna
was
elected
to
be
vice
chair
for
2021,
so
we
will
be
scheduling
our
meetings
for
we'll
follow
up
with
that,
and-
and
actually
you
know
one
thing
to
keep
in
mind
too
I'll,
assuming
we
can
make
a
regular
schedule
for
our
agenda
setting.
A
So,
congratulations
anna,
thank
you,
barbara,
and
I
will
turn
it
over
to
our
newly
elected
chair
aaron,
and
thank
also
liz
stout
for
sticking
with
us
for
the
elections
so
appreciate
that.
B
M
Sure,
thank
you
very
much
for
having
me
here
tonight.
I'm
liz
stout.
I
am
an
engineer
with
minneapolis
public
works
and
I
am
the
city's
water
resources
manager
really.
What
my
group
does
is
manage
our
our
surface
waters
and
making
sure
that
we
have
clean
water,
swimming
fishing
recreating
and
really
managing
the
city's
clean
water
act
permit.
So
that's
really
what
my
my
group
is
in
charge
of
here
with
the
city.
B
M
M
We
actually
started
this
ordinance
update
in
2018
and
we
included
inter-departmental
partners
internal
to
the
city,
including
kim
havey.
We
included
technical
partners
which
are
our
local
watershed
management
organizations
as
well
as
some
community
partners.
We
had
representatives
from
some
local
nonprofits
from
the
university
of
minnesota
engineers,
landscape,
architects,
as
well
as
people
from
the
development
community
itself,
who
were
kind
of
part
of
this
overall
effort
to
update
the
city's
stormwater
management
ordinance.
M
M
Let's
see
there,
we
go
so
right
now
we
do
have
a
storm
water
management
ordinance
in
place.
It
has
been
in
place
for
close
to
20
years
without
being
updated.
So
it's
more
than
past
time
to
update
it
currently
right
now,
if
a
development
is
disturbs
more
than
one
acre
of
land,
that
is
when
this
ordinance
is
triggered.
G
M
Acre
is
approximately
the
size
of
a
football
field,
so
that
tells
you
the
size
of
development
that
would
require
this
stormwater
management.
We're
proposing
to
lower
that
threshold
to
to
cut
it
in
half
is
go
from
one
acre
to
half
an
acre.
So
now
any
project
in
the
city
that
happens
that
is
disturbs
more
than
half
an
acre
will
then
trigger
this
new
stormwater
management
requirement.
M
So
really,
what
does
this
mean?
This
chart
here
shows
in
the
green?
Are
all
of
the
projects
that
come
through
the
city
that
require
development
review
going
through
our
community
development
department,
and
then
those
little
bitty
bars
in
blue
are
the
ones
that
to
date
require
storm
water
management.
M
So
who
will
be
impacted
by
this?
It's
all
public
projects,
public
and
private,
that
disturb
more
than
half
an
acre
of
land.
So
this
means
you
know
a
housing
development,
a
high
density,
residential,
the
frankly,
the
hiawatha
campus.
The
public
works
campus
would
also
trigger
this
requirement.
M
What
won't
be
impacted
is
sidewalk
or
underground
utility
projects,
milan
overlay,
which
is
where
we
don't
disturb
the
the
native
soil
underneath
the
street
or
construction
or
reconstruction
of
a
single-family
home.
Those
are
explicitly
exempted
from
this
ordinance.
M
M
So
what
that
means
is,
as
public
works
goes
in
and
does
road
reconstructions,
we
are
holding
ourselves
to
the
same
standard
as
we
are
developers,
so
we
are
going
to
be
putting
in
a
lot
more
water
quality,
best
practices,
green
infrastructure
and
and
just
storm
water
management
with
our
own
city,
road
projects.
M
M
We
have
the
ability
to
go
in
and
impose
some
additional
standards
when
it
comes
to
new
development
so
that
they
aren't
making
existing
problems.
Worse.
That's
really
the
the
key
here
is
we
want.
We
have
an
overburdened
system
that
we
don't
want
to
add
additional
problems
into
existing
neighborhoods,
so
we
did
build
ourselves
some
language
to
really
keep
developers
from
making
existing
problems
worse.
M
We
aren't
doing
a
lot
of
change
from
with
what
we
call
rate
control.
That
is,
the
the
speed
at
which
water
flows
off
of
properties,
but
we
are
making
people
come
into
compliance
with
new,
updated
rainfall
events.
That's
one
of
the
things
we're
seeing
as
a
result
of
climate
change
is,
we
are
getting
more
frequent
heavy
storms
and
so
we're
making
requiring
developers
take
into
account
those
changing
precipitation
patterns
when
they're
designing
any
of
their
stormwater
infrastructure.
M
Again,
this
is
to
not
add
any
changes
to
our
existing
system.
That
would
make
existing
problems
worse,
really
what
this
means,
the
rate
at
which
stormwater
leaves
a
property
cannot
be
increased.
M
One
of
our
our
new
challenges
is
going
to
be
what
we
call
volume
control.
This
is
when
you
have
to
keep
the
water
on
your
property.
You
infiltrate
it
into
the
ground,
it
creates
groundwater
recharge
and
it
doesn't
allow
any
of
the
pollutants
to
then
leave
the
property.
M
Our
previous
requirement
said,
you
know,
do
what
you
can
as
far
as
infiltration
and
volume
control,
but
we
actually
now
have
a
standard.
We
say
you
have
to
do
1.1
inches
of
runoff
off
of
your
reconstructed
impervious
so
instead
of
telling
developers
that
they
do
whatever
feels
you
know
whatever
you
can
just
do
your
best.
Now
we're
actually
giving
them
a
standard
to
meet
that
they
must
meet
as
part
of
their
development
review.
M
We're
holding
the
the
city
of
minneapolis
to
the
same
standard.
As
I
mentioned,
we
had
previously
exempted
road
reconstruction
projects.
That
is
no
longer
the
case
anywhere
where
we
are
adding
impervious
surface
so
we're
maybe
making
a
road
wider
or
adding
taking
away
green
space.
We
have
to
infiltrate
1.1
inches
and
anywhere.
Where
we're
just
reconstructing
existing
impervious
surface.
We
have
to
infiltrate
half
an
inch
so
again
we're
holding
ourselves
to
the
same
standard
as
we
are
developers.
M
M
There
are
areas
in
the
the
city
where
we
just
don't
have
soils
that
are
conducive
to
doing
infiltration,
either
they're
clay
or
they're.
What's
called
karst,
which
can
cause
sinkholes,
and
you
know
we
want
to
make
sure
that,
where
we're
doing
these
infiltration
practices
that
we
have
a
suitable
location
to,
do
it-
and
you
know
infiltration-
is
the
the
cheapest
and
easiest
way
to
do
volume
control.
However,
there
are
other
options:
there's
what
we
call
storm
water
reuse.
M
M
We
also
have
water
quality
standards.
Those
are
not
being
changed
as
part
of
this
ordinance
update.
However,
we
have
recognized
that
the
the
pollutants
that
we're
allowing
to
flow
off
of
the
the
properties,
whether
that's
phosphorus
or
total,
like
sediment,
we
do
need
to
look
at
those
and
come
up
with
some
new
standards.
We
didn't
do
it
as
part
of
this
process,
but
it
really
did
come
to
our
attention
that
these
need
to
be
updated.
M
So
that's
kind
of
the
next
step
in
our
process
is
really
looking
at
the
different
pollutants
that
are
impacting
our
water
bodies
and
then
updating
some
of
these.
These
standards
for
developers
and
making
sure
that
they're
treating
their
water
to
a
a
standard
that
is
protective
of
all
of
our
water
bodies.
M
M
It
looks
at
what
we
want
to
use
all
of
our
water
bodies
for
do
we
want
to
have
full
contact
recreation
for
them.
Are
they
more
for
just
fishing
and
kayaking,
and
that
really
makes
those
water
quality
standards
important,
because
all
of
the
storm
water
then
runs
into
those
lakes?
So
we
really
need
to
know
what
we
want
to
use
our
lakes
for
what
the
community
wants
to
use
their
water
resources
for
when
we
set
those
protective
standards.
M
Again,
we
do
have
a
few
exemptions:
emergency
work,
small
site
projects,
anything
low,
smaller
than
half
an
acre,
I'm
going
to
sorry.
I'm
gonna
skip
through
this
to
kind
of
the
end
here,
so
you
know
what
does
this
mean
we're
having
an
effective
date
of
january
1st?
It's
our
proposal
right
now
of
2022..
M
This
really
means
that
if
the
development
has
not
been
fully
approved
by
the
city
council
that
it
needs
to
meet
this
standard,
the
same
with
public
road
projects,
so
if
it
is
the
public
road
project
has
not
the
design
hasn't
been
approved
by
the
city
council,
then
it
by
as
of
january
1st
2022.
These
new
standards
will
will
apply
to
all
of
those
projects
so
as
we're
proposing
right
now.
Basically,
everything
that
goes
into
the
ground
starting
next
year
will
have
to
meet
these
these
revised
standards.
M
M
Right
now,
we're
scheduled
to
go
to
the
the
city
council
on
march
12th,
with
kind
of
mayoral
action
at
the
end
of
march,
which
is
our
proposed
kind
of
timeline,
and
I
apologize
for
bringing
this
to
you
so
late.
Our
intent
was
to
bring
it
to
seak
a
little
bit
sooner,
but
there
were
some
scheduling,
conflicts,
but
right
now,
I'm
really
hoping
that
what
we're
asking
from
you
is
some
feedback
is.
M
If
there's
any
desire
from
ciac
to
participate
in,
engage
in
the
public
hearing
or
to
submit
comments,
we
would
absolutely
welcome
those
comments
and
then
it
comes
down
to
implementation
support.
We
are
going
to
be,
I
think,
for
for
me,
coming
from
public
works,
the
biggest
change
is
we're.
M
All
right,
I
do
see
some
hand
raid
hands
raised.
I
will
turn
it
over
to
the
chair
if
you
want
to
call
on
people.
Thank
you
again,
everyone
for
your
time.
M
Well,
over
the
present,
what
we
usually
look
at
is
total
phosphorus
and
total.
What
we
call
total
suspended,
sediment
or
basically,
soil
washing
off
of
the
properties,
we're
going
to
be
capturing
just
on
the
private
end
about
three
times
as
many
projects
we've
estimated.
M
Right
now,
I
I
hate
to
admit
it-
we're
not
doing
a
lot,
so
that
is
a
hundred,
almost
probably
gonna,
be
100
improvement
over
what
we're
doing
now
by
capturing.
I
don't
have
the
exact
numbers
as
far
as
pounds
of
phosphorus,
but
but
that's
kind
of
the
the
estimated.
J
Well,
does
just
does
the
phosphorus
come
from
like
fertilizer,
that's
been
put
on
lawns
and
that
sort
of
thing
or
where
does
it
come
from.
M
M
For
about
the
past
10,
to
15
years,
there
actually
has
been
a
phosphorus
fertilizer
ban
in
the
twin
cities.
So
it's
most
places
don't
even
sell
phosphorus
fertilizer
right
now,
but
that
that
phosphorus
is
a
nutrient
and
it's
bound
to
soil
particles.
M
It's
within
grass,
clippings,
leaf
litter
and
there's
been
a
that's
our
best
way
to
control
it
is
to
put
in
those
storm
water
facilities
to
capture
both
soil,
as
well
as
other
organic
material.
F
H
So
the
first
question
I
have
is:
is
this
potentially
going
to
create
a
barrier
to
putting
more
useful
things
on
parking
lots?
You
mentioned
that
development
projects
are
subject
to
it.
The
existing
parking
lot
facility
may
not
be
subject
to
any
controls.
You
know,
obviously,
there's
a
lot
of
value,
that's
converted
by
people
who
are
con,
who
are
building
something
on
that
on
that.
F
H
Ever
been
any
attempt
to
understand
in
terms
of
the-
and
this
isn't
maybe
related
to
the
stormwater
ordinance
that
you've
discussed
but
more
the
stormwater
fees
that
are
assessed
on
all
properties.
Is
there
everybody
any
attempt
to
understand
the
secondary
effects
of
parking
lots
and
what
that
causes
with
with
roads?
So,
basically,
if
you
reduce
parking
lots,
you
reduce
you
know.
H
Theoretically,
you
reduce
the
demand
for
vehicle
travel,
which
means,
then
you
reduce
the
amount
of
impervious
space
needed
on
roadways,
and
you
create
an
effective
of
both
reducing
the
direct
runoff
from
that
parking
lot,
as
well
as
the
indirect
runoff
from
roadway
facilities.
Has
that
been
contemplated
anywhere?
H
Is
that
something
that
can
be
discussed
as
part
of
this,
maybe
not
for
the
current
ordinance
as
part
of
the
ordinance,
but
maybe
in
part
of
the
enabling
resolution
to
say
that
that's
a
next
step
that
should
be
taken
in
the
stormwater
audit
ordinance
and
then
the
the
last
question
is
back
to
back.
My
first
one,
probably
is
for
say,
multi-family,
that's
being
constructed
on
a
multi-family
or
on
an
existing
parking
lot.
H
M
Well,
I
I
wrote
them
down,
so
hopefully
I
can
can
answer
your
questions.
Nick
really,
the
first
one
was
on
you
know.
If
having
these
new
regulations
are
going
to
be
a
barrier
to
change
when
it
comes
to
conversion
of
parking
lots,
we
did
do
some
analysis,
like
a
cost
benefit
analysis
and
what
this
was
going
to
cost
property
owners
for
kind
of,
as
a
above
and
beyond,
like
above
the
development
cost.
M
What
is
the
cost
of
stormwater
management
in
that
basically
half
an
acre
to
one
acre
threshold
and
there
there
will
be
an
additional
cost.
However,
what
we
were
seeing,
we
actually
looked
at
some
real
numbers
from
cped
from
community
development,
and
we
based
on
the
type
of
development
that's
going
on.
It's
basically
developments
going
up,
and
so
the
footprint
and
the
actual
cost
of
stormwater
management
was
a
very
small
cost
compared
to
the
overall.
What
we
were
seeing
is
overall
development
cost.
Are
there
possibly
some
areas
where
this
would
be
a
barrier?
M
I
I
can't
say
that
there
might
be,
but
in
most
cases,
what
we're
seeing
with
development,
the
stormwater
management
piece
is
going
to
be
a
very,
very
small
portion
of
whatever
that
development
looks
like.
So
if
a
property
is
basically
slated
to
redevelop
or
if
a
developer
has
targeted
a
parking
lot
as
to
redevelop,
the
stormwater
management
is
not
enough
to
keep
that
from
being
a
viable,
basically
new
use.
M
So
I
think
that
was
your
first
question
as
far
as
the
the
second
question
on
the
kind
of
secondary
effects
of
really
parking
lots
going
away
and
potentially
impacting
vehicle
travel
and
vehicle
use,
we
did
not
really
look
at
that.
We
I
I
guess
I
can't.
I
can't
speak
to
that.
That's
more
about,
I
want
to
say
a
transportation
question
rather
than
a
storm
water
question
any
time
that
we
can
reduce
impervious
surface.
However,
we
consider
that
a
win
anytime.
We
can
increase
green
space
for
multiple
reasons.
M
That's
a
win,
is
you
know
if
we
can
take
away
some
parking
and
get
more
people
biking
walking
ticket
taking
public
transportation,
not
just
from
a
storm
water
perspective,
but
from
an
overall
environmental
perspective?
That's
a
win,
so
I
guess
I.
I
can't
speak
to
the
narrow
window
of
stormwater
management
on
that,
but
but
anytime
we
can
get
vehicles
off
the
road.
I
think
that's
a
a
win
for
the
city
and
for
the
community,
then
I
think
your
last
question
was
basically
on
conversions
of
parking
lots
to
multi-family.
M
B
G
Yes,
thank
you.
I
have
a
couple
questions.
Elizabeth.
Thank
you
for
your
presentation.
My
first
question
is
because
of
the
changes
that
you'll
be
planning
to
do
with
this
proposal.
Are
you
going?
Is
the
city
planning
on
hiring
more
inspectors
and
what
about
the
businesses
that
already
exist
that
are
responsible
for
monitoring
their
own
storm
water
management?
G
G
And
another
thing
about
that:
what
about
implementing?
I
was
thinking
about
green
roofs
to
catch
some
of
this,
the
storm
waters
that
we
have,
because
we've
had
an
increase
in
in
water.
M
Oh
all
right!
Well,
okay,
thank
you,
leslie!
As
far
as
an
increase
in
city
staff
and
inspectors,
we're
hoping
you
you've
kind
of
hit
the
nail
on
the
head.
It's
we
have
a
lot
of.
We
have
actually
right
now
about
700
properties
that
already
have
storm
water
management
facilities
under
the
the
current
ordinance,
and
now
we
want
to
put
more
in
and
we
are
building
an
additional
language
into
this
ordinance
to
make
enforcement
action
easier.
M
These
are
required
to
be
maintained
by
the
private
property
owners
so
that
they
continue
to
function
and
that
they
continue
to
provide
this
water
quality
benefit,
but
you're
you're,
absolutely
right
that
that
requires
that
there
are
the
inspectors,
they're
required,
that
we
keep
on
top
of
those
businesses
and
make
sure
that
they
are
we're
enforcing
this
ordinance.
It's
not
enough
to
just
put
these
practices
into
the
ground.
We
have
to
make
make
sure
that
they're
maintained.
M
We
have
to
make
sure
that
we're
continuing
to
get
that
water
quality
benefit,
and
you
talked
about
green
roof
screen
roofs
for
another
volume
reduction
tactic
where
the
the
water
lands
on
the
roof.
It's
uptaken
by
all
that
that
greenery
that
vegetation,
so
that
is
absolutely
an
approved
stormwater
management
practice
that
we
would
love
to
see
on
more
buildings
in
the
city,
from
a
storm
water
perspective,
but
also
from
an
urban
heat
island
perspective.
G
B
M
We
we
currently
do.
We
do
have
some
the
capacity
for
that
we're
looking
at
staffing
right
now,
looking
at
previous
numbers
coming
through
the
community
development
and
how
much
time
it
takes.
That's,
definitely
a
discussion.
That's
in
the
works
right
now,
we're
also
with
requiring
stormwater
management
on
city
projects,
we're
also
looking
at
what
that
commitment
is
as
far
as
whether
it's
city
engineers
or
needing
additional
money
on
consultant
contracts
when
doing
the
design
work.
M
That's
that's
kind
of
a
big
unanswered
question
right
now
we
are
updating
some
of
our
process
and
procedures
to
make
things
flow
a
little
bit
better
to
get
some
efficiencies
that
way.
The
actual
enforcement
of
these
private
bmps.
My
staff
takes
care
of
that,
so
we're
doing
a
lot
of
just
process
improvement,
trying
to
make
sure
that
data
is
more
available,
making
sure
that
we
we
have
a
process
in
place
that
we
can
do
things
as
efficiently
as
possible.
I
think
that's
our
first
step
before
we
look
at
hiring
additional
staff.
B
K
Thanks
erin,
thank
you,
liz
for
the
presentation,
a
couple
questions
so
just
to
clarify
it
sounds
like
the.
K
The
new
ordinance
applies
only
to
like
brand
new
projects
that
are
sort
of
like
breaking
ground
for
the
first
time
and
I'm
curious
about
if,
if
it
could
be
applied
to
like
sort
of
like
large
renovations
of
an
existing
project
or
if
it's
only
sort
of
like
a
brand
new
building
and
if
that
was
considered
at
all,
if
there's
a
way
to
like
apply
it
to
an
existing
building
and
then
also
sort
of
just
if
you
have
an
idea
just
for
a
little
bit
of
context,
I'm
curious
about,
if
you
have
a
sense
of
like
of
the
cities
across
the
united
states
and
sort
of
the
most
ambitious
stormwater
policies.
M
Well,
I'm
I'm
going
to
actually
answer
your
second
question.
First,
as
part
of
this
two
and
a
half
year
effort,
we
actually
did
some
national
benchmarking.
We
looked
at
six
or
seven
different
communities
across
the
the
country
and
looked
at
their
stormwater
policies.
Practices
ordinances
every
community
is
very
different,
so
not
all
of
them
have
the
the
same
type
of
ordinance,
but
we
looked
at
communities
such
as
cleveland
seattle,
fort
worth
charlotte.
M
I
know
I'm
gonna
miss
some
because
I
don't
have
the
list
in
front
of
me,
but
but
we
did
do
some
nationwide
benchmarking,
looking
at
really
our
practices
compared
to
nationwide,
and
we
were
pleasantly
surprised
that
when
it
comes
to
like
general
policies,
we
were
ahead
of
the
pack.
There
are
a
few
areas
where
we
we
weren't,
I'm
going
to
say
like
some
of
our
flood
management.
M
I
hate
saying
that,
but
when
it
came
to
general
stormwater
management,
water
quality
protection,
things
like
that,
just
the
state
of
minnesota
and
minneapolis,
we
were
ahead
of
the
pack,
so
that
was
that
was
something
we
didn't
find
in
our
benchmarking.
Then
your
your
first
question
on,
you
know
existing
buildings
and
redevelopment.
M
We
really
only
looked
at
when
there's
an
exterior
change
like
they're,
actually
disturbing
ground,
mostly
because
these
stormwater
practices
there's
something
that
requires
earth
moving
to
put
into
effect,
whether
that's
a
pond
or
a
rain
garden
or
or
something
else.
So
I
guess
we
didn't
really
look
at
those
really
retrofitted
existing
buildings
unless
there's
some
type
of
an
earth-moving
something
activity
happening
outside.
M
L
Well,
liz
first
of
all,
I'd
like
to
thank
you
for
bringing
this
in
front
of
the
commission
for
us
to
review.
I
appreciate
that
so.
First
of
all,
I
wanted
to
echo
nick's
comments
on
parking
lots.
I
too
would
love
to
see
parking
lots
eliminated,
and
I
see
a
poster
child
example
of
that.
L
I
bike
the
cedar
lake
trail
all
the
time,
and
I
see
that
you
know
most
days
and
it's
right
now,
it's
beautiful
pavement,
but
there
are
almost
no
cars
on
it
ever
and
it's
right
next
to
the
river,
and
you
know
to
me
that
just
cries
out
for
for
storm
water
retention
and
then
the
other
question
the
question
I
had
for
you.
You
know
looking
at
the
slide,
seven
special
conditions.
L
M
Yeah,
that's
that's
a
really
good
question
that
isn't
something
that's
really
been
applied
in
the
in
the
past.
I
know
that
there
are
some
facilities
or
properties
because
of
what
they're
doing
on
the
property,
whether
it's
an
industrial
facility
or
something
like
that
where
we
do
have
some
additional
likes.
You
have
to
store
your
chemicals
in
a
certain
way
because
those
are
a
higher
risk
or
you
have
to
store
things
inside
of
the
building
so
that
when
it
rains,
we
don't
get
those
pollutants.
You
know
going
into
the
storm
sewer.
M
We
do
that
for
some
existing
buildings.
I
don't.
I
know
that
we
haven't
really
applied
that
same
thing.
When
it
came
to
development.
We
do
apply
that
lens.
When
we
look
at
doing
independent,
like
city-led
projects,
we
look
at
what
the
water
body
that
those
projects
drain
to
we
look
at
if
it's
impaired
for
anything.
If
it's
on
the
state's
impera
waters
list
or
if
there's
a
water
quality
study,
a
tmd
called
a
tmdl,
I'm
gonna
nerd
speak
on
you.
M
That
requires
us
to
do
pollutant
removal
and
we
do
base
projects
like
city-based
projects
off
of
that.
But
I
don't
know
that
we've
imposed
additional
conditions
on
development.
M
That's
you
know,
I
guess
I
I
don't
have
a
firm
answer
for
you,
but
that's
not
a
bad
idea
and
frankly,
the
language
that
we
left
in
the
or
we
put
in
the
ordinance
really
gives
the
city
engineer
broad
authority
to
do
that
in
areas
where
we
know
there
are
existing
problems
and
it
doesn't
just
say,
flooding
problems.
So
we
could
interpret
that
to
mean
water
quality
problems.
B
C
Thanks
liz
for
this
presentation,
the
question
I
have
relates
to
volume
control
and
in
your
presentation
it
talks
about
infiltration.
Does
this
ordinance
update
when
it
comes
to
an
infiltration
location,
make
any
reference
to
what's
expected
at
that
site?
You
know
is:
are
we
just
saying
go
ahead
and
plant
grass,
or
are
we
looking
at
a
bigger
picture?
C
Pollinator
had
habitat
native
species
and
kind
of
related
to
that?
Has
the
city
explored
any
additional
changes
to
those
soil
amendments?
Thinking,
specifically,
we've
got
a
curbside
organics
program.
Are
we
bringing
finished
compost
into
the
soil
as
we
disturb
these
sites.
M
Well,
when
it
comes
thanks
for
your
question
when
it
comes
to
the
specific
design
of
these
stormwater
management
facilities,
we
do
lean
really
heavily
on
the
minnesota
pollution
control
agency
has
their
minnesota
stormwater
manual
and
that's
really
considered
the
the
gold
standard
on
how
to
design
these
types
of
practices.
M
But
we
absolutely
putting
grass
just
kentucky
bluegrass
in
a
volume,
retention
practice
and
infiltration
practice
is
just
asking
for
it
to
fail.
It's
not
going
to
thrive.
It's
you
know.
I
I,
as
an
engineer,
couldn't
imagine
approving
a
design
that
had
that,
as
as
the
design
when
it
comes
to
you
know,
native
plants,
we
do
see
a
lot
more
success,
they're
a
lot
more
drought,
tolerant,
they're,
more
winter,
tolerant.
They
have
deeper
root
structures.
M
We
get
a
host
of
other
benefits
by
by
encouraging
native
plants,
and
you
know
we
they're
definitely
benefits
to
pollinator
habitat.
That's
something
we
do
on
our
city
projects.
Is
we
mandate
putting
in
pollinator
habitat
around
our
own
best
practices
with
whether
that's
within
rain
gardens
or
around
ponds?
M
D
A
Sorry
about
that
liz,
I'm
wondering
how
the
stormwater
credit
plays
in
regards
to
the
sort
of
requirements,
because
I-
and
I
that's
still
part
of
the
part
of
this
as
well
too,
and
maybe
just
to
give
us
a
little
explanation
on.
If
there's
any
significant
changes
there
and
kind
of
where
it's
landed.
M
Sure
we
aren't
taking
those
stormwater
credits
to
the
council
at
this
time.
We
have
some
more
things
to
do
so,
I'm
going
to
back
up.
We,
the
city,
has
a
storm
water
utility,
and
what
that
is,
is
it's
the
same
as
your
water
utility
or
your
sewer
utility?
M
It
is
charged
to
every
property
in
the
city,
it's
based
on
the
amount
of
impervious
surface
on
the
property
and
the
size
of
the
property,
and
that
funding
then
goes
to
pay
for
really
the
upkeep
of
the
storm
sewer
infrastructure,
putting
in
new
stormwater
best
practices,
really
the
the
city
maintenance
of
our
storm
sewer
infrastructure.
M
One
of
the
programs
that
we
have
currently
is
a
storm
water
utility
credit
property
owners
who
put
in
the
best
practices
stormwater
best
practices
can
then
get
a
credit
off
of
their
stormwater
utility,
because
they're
really
treating
that
storm
water,
so
it
doesn't
have
to
then
be
treated
by
the
the
city,
so
they
they
actually
pay
less
in
that
fee.
One
of
the
things
we
were
looking
at
kind
of
in
conjunction
with
this
ordinance
update
is
updating
that
whole
stormwater
utility
credit.
M
M
So
one
of
the
big
changes
is
we're
really,
if
you're
required
to
put
in
a
bmp
as
part
of
development
or
a
stormwater
facility,
you're
no
longer
going
to
get
then
off
of
your
utility
bill
if
it's
required,
so
we're
allowing
people
to
vol
if
they're
putting
in
voluntary
practices
they'll
get
off
of
that
credit,
but
we're
only
allowing
a
tiny
amount
now,
rather
than
up
to
50
percent
for
for
required
practices.
M
We're
still
looking
at
different
ways
to
different
things
to
do
with
that
credit
program.
So,
for
example,
we've
looked
at
you
know:
how
can
we
build
equity
into
this
program?
How
can
we
reward
voluntary
putting
in
these
bmps
these
stormwater
management
facilities,
as
opposed
to
them
being
required
as
part
of
development?
M
How
do
we
reward
going
above
and
beyond
so,
instead
of
just
infiltrating
the
one
inch,
if
you
choose
as
a
developer,
to
implement
infiltrate
two
inches,
can
we
find
a
way
to
reward
that?
So
those
are
the
different
things?
We're
looking
at
as
part
of
that
that
credit
program.
E
Hi
thanks
I'm
curious
about
potential
adverse
impacts
on
environmental
justice
and
lower
income
communities.
M
We
I'm
trying
to
think
think
of
the
best
way
to
we
didn't
look
specifically
when
it
came
to
development
at
environmental
justice
like,
for
example,
the
green
zones
and
how
that
might
impact
development
or
redevelopment.
We
really
look
took
a
broad
look
at
across
the
city.
What
were
the
development
stat
statistics?
How
this
would
impact
just
on
a
wholesale
level?
M
What
we
do
look
at
is
for
city
projects,
for
example,
when
it
comes
to
road
reconstruction
projects,
we
do
have
an
equity
metric.
That
is
part
of
the
scoring.
So
it's
not
just
a
part
of
you
know
condition
of
the
the
pavement,
but
we
also
look
at
areas
where
there
have
been
you
know
not.
There
haven't
been
historical
investments
in
our
facilities
and
so
because
we're
then
doing
those
road
projects.
We
are
going
to
be
seeing
more
storm,
sewer
or
storm
water,
water
quality
projects
being
put
in
the
ground
in
those
areas.
M
Just
outside
of
this
ordinance
itself,
we
have
water
quality
projects
that
go
in
independent
of
road
projects,
so
they're
not
mandated,
but
we
we
do
them
as
part
of
our
mandate
under
the
stormwater
utility
equity
is
also
a
metric.
In
that
we
really
look
at
those
acp
50
areas
and
that's
part
of
the
scoring.
We
look
at
again
the
receiving
water.
What
the
condition
of
that
is,
we
I'm
trying
to
think
we
look
at
the
land
use.
M
M
Well,
the
the
stormwater
utility
credits
program.
We
are
trying
to
build
in
an
equity
component.
So,
for
example,
one
of
the
proposals-
and
these
are
I'm
going
to
be
honest-
aren't
ready
to
go
to
the
city
council.
Yet
so
proposals
is
to
if
somebody
puts
in
a
best
practice
within
the
green
zones
which
have
been
you
know,
identified
as
those
kind
of
environmental
injustice
areas
that
they
can
get
and
they
get
that
it's
straight
credit
whatever.
M
M
But
then,
once
you
do
you
get
additional
kind
of
money
off
of
your
utility
bill.
That's
kind
of
one
of
our
proposals
right
now,.
M
M
I
apologize
it's
it's
areas
of
concentrated
poverty.
It's
areas
in
the
city.
This
is
determined
by
census,
tract
where
there
are
basically
bipolar
communities,
it's
a
majority
by
pop
communities
and
it's
a
black
indigenous
people
of
color,
as
well
as
they're
below
the
the
federal
poverty
line,
a
majority
over
50
percent
or
below
the
poverty
line.
So
it's
a
kind
of
a
measure
of
in
injustice.
H
H
B
M
M
M
Sorry,
one
of
the
biggest
issues
we're
having
is
making
sure
that
we
hold
ourselves
as
the
city
to
the
same
standard
as
we
are
developers
is
you
know,
making
sure
that
we
no
longer
exempt
ourselves,
and
I
think,
if
it's
possible
for
ciac
to
be
in
support
of
that,
I
think
that
would
be
really
helpful
because
that
that's
a
big
change
for
our
public
works
leadership
and
that's
that's
a
big
commitment
from
the
city
to
to
do
those
additional
practices
and
not
just
require
developers
to
do
them,
but
require
the
city
to
do
them
as
well.
A
I
was
just
gonna
say
that
we
could,
you
know
if
folks
wanted
to
at
least
pass
a
motion
supporting
that
that
request
to
have
the
city
included
in
on
the
standard
and
to
meet
the
same
standard
as
private
development
at
least
then
I
could
pass
that
along
as
a
you
know
that
there
was
a
motion
that
was
made
doesn't
have
to
have
a
formal
letter,
and
you
know
usually
that
takes
two
meetings,
and
so
you
know
we
may
not
hit
it,
though.
Potentially
we
could.
A
F
G
If
that's
gonna
get
things
moving
and
quicker,
I
I
I
agree
or
motion
that
I'm
in
favor.
B
Okay,
in
terms
of
for
discussion,
I
see
that
you
have
your
hand
raised
barbara.
J
Yes,
I
was
going
to
say
that,
even
from
a
point
of
view
of
of
not
wanting
further
regulations
and
whatever,
whatever
I
like,
this
business
of
holding
the
city
to
the
same
standard.
Because
if
it's,
if
it's
going
to
be
prohibitive
for
private
people,
the
city
might
find
it
prohibitive
too,
and-
and
you
know.
D
G
H
So
aaron
I'm
I'm
going
to
ask
whether
you're
comfortable
with
us
do
we
do
we
actually
want
to
try
a
letter
using
the
outline,
the
objectives
and
the
chair
has
the
discretion
to
send
the
letter
way
that
we
did
it
at
the
end
of
the
last
session
with
folks
who
want
to
help
the
chair
writing
with
the
authorship
of
the
letter
reaching
out
to
you,
or
is
that
not
achievable
in
the
timeline
that
we're
talking
about.
B
I
think
if
we
can
make
a
motion
regarding
this
one
specific
thing
that
would
be
helpful,
but
we
can
also
keep
in
mind
like
doing
a
letter
with
even
more
comments,
if
we
think
that's
appropriate,
but
I
think
being
able
to
get
this
one
specific
point
out
in
front
of
council
sooner
would
be
helpful.
In
my
opinion,.
H
Okay,
the
one
thing
that
that
I
would
add-
or
maybe
the
two
things
that
I
would
add,
just
notes
that
I
took
from
the
conversation.
So
this
is
me
making
an
amendment
to
the
to
the
motion,
so
the
motion
was,
as
I
understand
it,
sending
a
letter
supporting
inclusion
of
the
city
of
minneapolis
public
works
department
in
this
in
the
ordinance
change.
H
The
two
other
things
I
heard
was
adding
clarifi
mark's
point,
adding
clarification
either
within
the
ordinance
or
within
administrative
direction,
that
environmental
quality
can
be
a
special
condition
and
that
there
should
be
more
proactive
guidance
regarding
natural
species
and
pollinator
friendly
as
appropriate
plants,
rather
than
leaving
it
more
vague.
I
think
that
was
mark
and
max
do.
Did
I
capture
your
points
adequately?
There.
B
C
B
So
I
would
just
just
to
amend
a
little
bit
of
what
you're
saying
nick.
What
kim
was
suggesting
is
that
we
could
just
pass
something
that
is
as
simple
as
what
you
just
said,
without
having
to
do
a
full
formal
letter
and
that
kim
can
pass
that
along
to
city
council
for
consideration
sooner
rather
than
later.
B
So,
if
you
don't
mind
reading
your
amended
piece
one
more
time
after
he's
done
with
reading
it,
I'm
going
to
ask
if
there's
anybody
who
wants
to
pass
that
motion
and
then
ask
if
there's
anybody
who
wants
to
second.
So
just
so
everyone's
aware.
H
I'll
type
it
in,
but
I
will
also
say
so.
I
will
amend
the
resolution
to
also
include
adding
clarification,
that
environmental
quality
can
be
a
special
condition
either
in
the
ordinance
or
an
administrative
direction,
and
that
more
specific
and
proactive
guidance
should
be
given
regarding
natural
species
and
pollinator
friendly
species
as
appropriate
plants.
L
A
Awesome
thanks
nick
yeah,
that's
great.
I
tried
to
get
most
of
it,
but
yes,
there's
there's
a
lot
there.
So
we'll
just
call
go
through
max
dalton.
C
A
D
J
A
D
A
G
J
A
F
D
J
A
That
passes
with
13
eyes
and
no
nays,
so
that
motion
is
accepted.
So
yes,
so
I
can
send
that
along
to
elizabeth
or
upload
that
to
the
city
council
for
comments
to
make
sure
that
gets
included
in
the
record
and
then,
if
there
is
some
more
additional
time.
Obviously
there
is
an
opportunity
to
provide
more
detailed
comments,
either
directly
or
bring
them
back
up,
because
you
know,
as
it
said,
they'll
be
putting
this
together
for
a
while
and
there's
a
lot
on
implementation
as
well.
That,
I
think,
could
be
influenced.
A
A
H
Yeah,
I
think,
given
that
the
rates
piece
and
the
storm
water
utility
piece
is
still
open.
I
think
it
would
be
great
if
ciac
could
bring
the
appropriate
folks
back
for
a
discussion
about
that,
since,
ultimately,
that
is
a
cost
that
all
existing
properties
bear.
It's
very
different
from
this
conversation
that
affects
new
properties
or
new
construction
properties.
Only.
B
B
So
what
I
will
do
then
sandy
is,
I
will
just
start
putting
together
a
letter
that
we
can
approve
at
the
march
meeting.
I
you
should
have
all
received
an
invitation
with
me
to
the
community
environmental
advisory
commission.
B
Google
drive,
if
you
didn't,
please
feel
free
to
reach
out
to
me
by
email
or
text
message,
and
I
will
try
to
work
with
you
to
make
sure
that
you
have
access
to
it
as
soon
as
I
start
that
document
I
will
send
a
link
around
to
us
as
a
full
group
so
that
you
can
add
in
any
other
additional
comments,
work
on
some
different
language
and
leading
up
to
the
march
meeting
I'll
ask
for
any
particular
comments,
or
you
know,
track
changes
just
so
that
we
can
have
a
more
quick
discussion
when
march
comes
around.
B
So,
nick
or
kim
can
you
share
whatever
text
you
have
and
I
think
nick
you're
typing
it
into
the
chat?
I'm.
A
Okay,
I
actually
can
read
what
I
have
right
now
we
can
adjust
it.
I
guess
so
sending
it
passing
a
motion
to
include
to
recommend
to
the
city
council
that
the
city
be
held
to
the
same
standard
under
the
new
stormwater
ordinance,
including
clarification
that
environmental
quality
can
be
a
special
condition
either
in
the
ordinance
or
that
it.
A
This
is
where
I
get
lost,
can
have
more
specific
guidance
things
that
support
biodiversity
and
pollinator
friendly,
something
friendly
species.
That's
what
it
was!
Okay,
great
nick!
Why
don't
you
read
yours?
You
have
like
the
full
detail.
There
yep.
H
Cec
resolves
that
it
supports
the
proposed
ordinance
change
and
specifically
notes
that
inclusion
of
the
pub
of
the
city
public
works
projects
is
an
important
recommendation.
In
addition,
ciac
requests
that
environmental
quality
be
considered
as
a
special
condition,
either
in
the
ordinance
or
an
administrative
direction.
Finally,
seak
requests
that
more
proactive
guidance
be
included
regarding
native
species
and
pollinator
friendly
species
as
appropriate
plants
for
mitigation
measures,
and
hopefully
kim
and
aaron
you'll
fix
my
there's
a
few
typos
in
there.
Yes,.
B
And
I
would
say
too
kim
if
you
could
just
pass
along
that
we
might
have
additional
recommendations,
but
that
we're
still
working
on
those.
That
would
be
great.
J
H
J
So
you're
saying
that
the
structure
or
whatever
is
proposed,
would
depend
on
the
cleanliness
of
the
outflow
that
you'd
expect
in
certain
places
it
would
require
more
longer
retention
of
the
water
because
of
because
just
of
the
nature
of
that
particular
land
or
itself,
or
how
close
it
was
to
something
else.
So.
H
J
So
it
would
only
apply
to
certain
narrow
types
of
situations.
F
B
Right,
I
do
recognize
that
we
are
already
four
minutes
over
time.
We
had
a
lot
of
discussion
on
this
particular
topic.
Are
there
other
particular
things
that
anybody
wanted
to
discuss
as
we
work
on
wrapping
up.
B
Okay,
all
right.
This
is
the
one
thing
that
we
do
not
need
to
do.
A
roll
call
for
I
make
a
motion
to
adjourn
and
anybody
want
a
second.