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As
we
did
a
decade
ago,
the
local
redistricting
must
be
completed,
irrespective
of
whether
or
not
the
state
legislature
has
completed
its
work
and
whatever
the
status
is
in
terms
of
the
court.
Our
deadline
is
set
in
state
law,
so
many
weeks
before
the
statewide
primary
in
the
year
ending
in
two
and
so.
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G
Madam
chair,
it's
casey
again,
I
I
don't
recall,
commissioner
smith.
We
can
try
and
look
back
to
that
period
of
time.
I'm
not
sure
if
I
kept
the
total
number
of
applications
on
file,
that's
something
that
our
project
coordinator
could
help
me
look
through,
and
we
can
certainly
share
that
with
you.
I
just
don't
have
that
at
my
immediate
disposal,
yeah.
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F
It
was
somewhere
between
there.
I
I
think
it
was
probably
there
wasn't
a
when
we
got
down
to
it,
because
I
don't
think
I
was
on
the
committee
that
did
this
election
but,
as
I
recall,
there
were
only
two
or
three
where
we
had
to
take
where
there
was
a
vote
taken
to
pick
one
or
the
other
is
that
right,
barry.
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I
Whoops,
I
guess
I
should
do
cameras.
Yes,
I
I
don't
remember
the
exact
number.
I
think
it
might
have
been
somewhat
more
than
20,
but
that's
really
close.
We
did
not
interview
them
all.
As
I
recall
we,
we
talked
to
them
individually,
but
I'm
not.
I
don't
think
they
all
came
through
the
formal
interview
process
and
we
should
have
audio
tapes
and
other
things
from
that
process.
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A
Yes,
I
just
had
a
comment
about
the
job
description.
I
guess
when
I
read
it
to
me,
it
didn't
really
say
very
well
what
the
advisor
group
was
going
to
be
doing,
and
I
guess
I'm
thinking,
maybe
just
adding
something
simple-
that
advisory
group
will
work
with
the
charter
commission
following
the
2020
census
to
redefine
the
boundaries
of
the
minneapolis
city
council
awards
or
just
something.
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I
would
also
suggest
we'd
be
a
little
bit
more
specific
in
terms
of
time
commitment,
because
we
were
sort
of
guessing
in
2011,
because
this
is
we
hadn't
done
this
before
now.
We
know
that
there
will
be.
We
know
that
there
will
be
at
least
four
public
hearings.
We
know
that
there
will
be
mapping
meetings
which,
at
the
at
the
high
point
last
time
around
there
were
sometimes
two
a
week.
It
would
take
several
hours
each
so
and
all
of
these
were
generally
in
the
evening
early
afternoon.
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B
Yes,
we
are
talking
to
the
redistricting
project
manager,
about
the
options
we
have
as
far
as
old.
You
know,
city
or
not
old,
but
city
issued
laptops
or
perhaps
ipads
that
had
been
used
in
the
census
if
they
were,
would
still
be
available.
Things
like
that,
where
we're
we've
started
that
ball
rolling
for
discussion
since
we'll
have
to
take
a
look
at
inventory
and
what's
allowable.
J
Thank
you
chair.
I
am.
I
have
a
just
a
couple
comments.
The
first
is
that,
in
the
description
of
the
advisory
group,
you
should
make
sure
that
that
language
is
more
con,
more
consistent
with
2.2
c,
because
that
language
was
changed.
For
example,
you
could,
you
cannot
have
worked
for
the
city,
but
you
could
have
worked
as
an
election
judge
that
was
changed
in
the
charter
and
also
the
language.
In
this
description
it
says.
J
Yes,
we're
going
to
draw
maps,
but
I
don't
think
it
neces
their
work
necessarily
ends
with
that.
There
could
be
an
appeal
there
could
be
a
challenge
to
our
maps
and
the
court
could
send
it
back
to
us
for
to
reconvene
the
redistricting
group
to
re
review
them.
You
know
to
revise
the
maps,
and
so
it
could
go
longer
than
just
the
initial
completion
of
the
map,
so
I
would
suggest
that
maybe
you
could
put
language
in
there
that
would
just
talk
about.
J
You
know
it's
possible
that
you
might
have
to
come
back
if
there's
an
appeal
or
whatever
you
want
to
do
or
extend
the
debt
timeline,
because
ultimately
this
has
to
be
done.
You
know
before
the
election
in
well.
That
would
be
november
of
what
2022.,
so
I
would
just
I
would
just
I
would
just
those
are
the
main
issues
that
I
wanted
to
bring
up
about.
This
hey.
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G
The
charter
tends
to
use
the
word
resident.
We
try
to
use
the
word
resident,
as
ms
bashun
mentioned,
in
almost
all
cases,
but
in
this
specific
case,
when
it
comes
to
voting
and
elections,
the
word
citizen
also
implies
the
legal
right
to
be
a
voter,
and
that's
specifically
required
for
any
member
who's
selected
as
a
member
of
the
advisory
group
is
that
they
be
an
eligible
voter.
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You,
while
we're
on
the
job
description-
yes,
I
know
we're
going
to
have
at
least
enough
licenses
to
use
the
software.
I
think
this
is
the
plan,
so
that
members
of
the
work
group
will
have
a
copy
of
the
software
and
and
the
ability
to
use
it
or
they'll
at
least
receive
training
in
it,
whether
they
use
it
or
not.
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I
mean
I
know
the
last
time
around.
We
had
that
common
cause
tool
that
many
of
us
used
and
so
in
addition
to
the
mapping
meetings,
a
number
of
commissioners
and
and
advisory
group
members
would
would
go
home
and
get
on
the
common
cause
website
and
play
with
their
tool
redistricting
tools,
so
there
there
may
be
additional
time
commitments
in
that
regard.
I
Oh,
I
hate
video
only
thing
about
the
tool
of
the
software
and
I
I
think
that's
good
to
mention
it,
but
it
has
to
be
worded
extremely
carefully.
You
will
scare
away
people
if
they
think
that
they
are
supposed
to
use
the
software
rather
than
they
just
have
an
opportunity
to
use
the
software.
So
just
a
caution
about
that.
The
other
thing
is
the
language
about
active
citizens.
I
I
I
don't
know
exactly.
I
think
we
were
talking
about.
We
were
looking
at
wanting
people
who
were
citizens
in
the
sense
of
citizenship
that,
as
people
who
were
active
in
their
communities,
are
active
within
the
city
of
minneapolis
and
who
had
an
interest
in
the
health
and
well-being
of
the
city,
and
that's
why
that
language
was
chosen.
I
agree
that
these
days,
the
word
citizen,
and
probably
not
so
good,
but
that
was
the
kind
of
thought
of
the
kind
of
person
that
we
thought
we
were
looking
for
and
maybe
times
have
changed.
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That
is
matt
chair.
I'm
just
going
to
point
out.
The
charter
actually
doesn't
use
the
word
citizen.
It
says
that
the
nine
advisory
board
members
must
be
eligible
voters
in
the
city.
So
if
you
want
to
stick
true,
as
ms
bashun
said,
I
don't
think
you
have
to
use
the
word
citizen,
but
I
do
think
you
have
to
use
the
word
that
they
are
eligible
voters
in
the
city.
That
is
the
exact
language.
They
have
to
be
able
to
vote.
That
does
imply
citizenship,
but
the
language
and
the
charter
says
they
must
be
eligible.
I
Okay
and
just
just
to
clarify
we
weren't
interested
in
whether
in
the
citizen
part
we
were
active.
We
were
interested
in
people
who
were
engaged
in
their
community
and
that's
why
that
phrase
was
chosen.
It
sounds
like
it's
a
bad.
It
was
a
bad
choice.
The
other
thing
I'll
mention
that
I
did
find
the
pdf
of
the
presentation
to
the
charter
commission
in
2011
that
we
had
32
applications.
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J
Thank
you,
commissioner,
garcia.
I
just
wanted
to
go
back
to
that
language
where
it
says,
are
active
citizens.
Commissioner
sandberg
was
very
articulate
when
she
stated
what
that
was
meant
to
be
or
what
that
meant,
and
maybe
you
can
expand
that
to
go
with
some
of
the
language
she
was
stating
like
active
within
the
city
of
minneapolis
and
concerned
for
the
welfare
of
minneapolis
residents.
I'm
just
paraphrasing
what
she
said,
but
she
said
it
better.
J
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B
But
we,
in
addition
to
this
being
nonpartisan,
we
really
look
for
people
who
are
willing
to
come
to
the
table
with
an
open
mind
to
participate
on
behalf
of
the
city.
They're
representing
the
city
they're,
not
necessarily
represent.
They
may
represent
an
organization
if
they
haven't
come
from
a
tribal
organization
or
a
similarly
affiliated
organization.
B
I
Okay,
I
should
have
done
more
research.
Before
this
meeting
I
apologize.
I
found
all
the
documents
that
dealt
with
it.
We
did
interview
31
candidates,
it
looks
like
one
person
withdrew
at
some
point
in
time
and
through
a
series
of-
and
it
wasn't
always
the
same
group
of
members
who
did
the
interviews,
but
they
were
all
recorded
and
we
could
go
into
the
clerk's
office
to
listen
to
those
interviews.
I
The
other
thing
is
that
in
my
report
from
10
years
ago,
these
principles
included
the
phrase
active
citizenry,
and
that
was
in
the
original
principles,
and
so
that's
where
that
active
citizen
thing
came
from.
I
don't
know,
and
perhaps
commissioner
perry
has
some
information
on
this.
I
don't
know
the
status
of
the
principles
other
than
they're
still
working
on
them.
I
believe
I
heard
that
from
commissioner
rubenstein,
so
I
don't
know
if
they'll
still
have
that
language
there
anyway
so
again
background
sorry
for
not
doing
this
ahead
of
time.
Thank
you.
B
Yes,
we,
commissioner,
kozak
and
I
did
meet
with
commissioner
rubens
rubenstein
and
perry
yesterday
and
did
take
kind
of
refresh
that
language
again
to
talk
about
inclusion,
as
well
as
bringing
forth
advisory
group
members
perspectives
from
wherever
that
may
be,
who
are
from
the
city.
So
yes,
we,
we
did
take
a
look
at
that
and
refresh
that
commissioner
perry.
K
B
I
mean
what
they
have
been
active
in.
If
they've
been
active
in
their
neighborhood
organization,
have
they
been
active
in
like
what
exactly
have
they
been
active
in
to
get
a
sense
of
that,
and
we
may
also
wish
to
ask
some
optional
questions
around
how
how
people
may
identify
with
regards
to
diversity.
B
K
Yeah
one
thing
that
just
came
to
mind
that
I
don't
think
we
talked
about
when
the
four
of
us
met
the
other
day
was
socioeconomic
diversity,
and
I
think
that's
something
that
should
be
included.
I
know
in
other
commissions
and
boards
that
I've
served
on
trying
to
have
people
who
come
from
low
incomes
was
always
something
that
we
tried
to
do.
D
J
J
So
that's
something
to
consider
whether
you
want
to
keep
that
away
from
the
people
that
are
doing
the
interviews,
because
when
you
talk
to
people
in
interviews,
they
can
tell
you
how
they
will
provide
diversity
to
the
to
re
to
the
redistricting
group
and
that's
the
main
key.
How
will
they
provide
the
diversity
of
thought
or
whatever
you're
needing
and
not
necessarily
how
they
identify
themselves?
J
B
B
A
I
guess
I
would
probably
lean
towards
not
requesting
references
it
seems
like
nowadays,
even
if
you
ask
a
reference,
they're
reluctant
to
really
say
anything
about
a
person,
most
employers
will
just
say
a
person
worked
here
from
the
state
to
this
date
and
doesn't
want
to
say
much.
So
I
guess
I'm
not
sure
that
we
would
get
a
lot
of
information.
I
guess
I'm
not
sure
would
be
worth
the
time,
but
certainly
not
not
opposed
to
references.
I'm
just
not
sure
it
would
provide
a
lot
of
value.
B
F
I
don't
I'm
not
sure,
commissioner
garcia,
I'm
not
sure
that
references
is
particularly
helpful
in
this
for
this
undertaking
yeah.
I
think,
commissioner,
the
commissioner
is
correct.
If
it's
an
employer,
we
know
that
employers
are
so
constrained
legally
what
they
can
say
about
someone
that
it's
not
really
very
valuable
to
us,
and
you
know
you
can
always
get
a
friend
to
put
something
in.
So
I
just
don't
think
for
a
job
like
this,
and
I
don't
ever
think
we
required
it
last
time
unless
I'm
mistaken
sure.
D
I
I
agree,
we
should
not
have
references
and
I
don't.
We
did
not
last
time,
because
if
we
have
them
it
pretty
much
means
we
have
to
check
them.
And
if
we
aren't
going
to
check
them,
then
we
shouldn't
have
them
at
all.
And
if
we
do
have
them
that's
going
to
triple
the
amount
of
work.
If
we
have
to
call
two
or
three
references
for
every
applicant.
L
B
One
thing
we
may
want
to
consider
is:
do
we
want
to
interview
everybody
who
applies
and
if
we
do
anticipate
a
lot
of
applications,
given
the
city
charter
commission's
profile
and
people
interested
in
what
it
is
we're
doing
we
may
you
know,
is
that
something
that
we
wish
to
do.
Commissioner,
sandberg.
I
We
did
have
some
people
who
are
very
clear
about
why
they
wanted
to
be
on
this
group,
and
it
was
very
focused
on
keeping
a
certain
council
member
or
making
sure
that
somebody
or
another
didn't
have
a
chance
to
have
a
representative.
They,
I
think
those
people
were
interviewed.
They
were
not
selected,
though
yes,.
F
Commissioner,
yes
phantom
chair,
I've
been
thinking
about
this.
I
think
it's
hard
to
make
a
decision
about
whether
to
interview
people,
it's
a
practical
matter
until
we
see
how
many
there
are.
On
the
other
hand,
it's
difficult
if
there
are
a
whole
bunch
of
them
and
we
think
god,
it's
just
too
formidable
a
task
to
interview
everybody.
Then
what
criteria
do
you
use
other
than
what
what
the
commissioner
sandberg
mentioned,
they're
leaving
town?
What
criteria
do
we
use
to
determine
exactly?
F
Who
who
we
interview?
I
mean
whom
we
interview,
and
so
I
think
that's
a
something
we
maybe
can.
We
wait
wait
on
that
discussion
until
we
see
how
many
or
or
do
we
want
to
be
able
to
tell
people
before
they
apply.
You
know,
make
your
application
and
then
you'll
be
interviewed
or
the
commission.
The
commissioners
will
decide
whom
to
interview.
B
My
my
two
cents,
then
I'll
have
commissioner
cleg
way
in
my
two
cents
would
be
to
be
able
to
provide
on
the
job
applica
on
the
job
description,
how
we
will
determine
you,
know,
eligibility
and
such,
and
I
think,
having
that
the
city
clerk's
office
do
that
initial.
First,
first
blush
around
the
yes
or
no
questions
and
then
having
a
set
of
criteria
that
we're
able
to
share
and
say
selection
will
be
based
on
and
be
transparent
with
that
at
the
onset.
D
I
would
agree
with
commissioner
kozak's
comments.
I
don't
think
we
should
commit
absolutely
to
interviewing
everyone.
I
mean,
while
the
clerk's
office
can
weed
out
the
people
who
are
moving
out,
etc.
We
might
still
have
50
or
more
applications
and
we
might
take
a
first
pass
through
those
and
decide
to
interview
fewer
than
all,
and
I
think
so
I
think
our
interview
obligation
should
be.
B
B
F
F
B
B
Further
on
our
agenda,
there
is
more
fascinating
items
in
the
agenda
packet
with
background
about
where
how
we
have
determined
how
how
we've
gotten
to
this
place
and
different
parameters
that
the
city
clerk
has
helped
us
through.
Do
we
have
any
more
any
more
comments,
or
is
there
any
more
discussion?
Should
we.
A
Looking
at
the
application,
some
of
the
questions
that
are
asked,
it
says
it's
private
information,
but
I
guess
I'm
wondering
you
know:
have
you
ever
been
found
by
court
of
law
to
be
legally
incompetent?
Does
that
matter
I
mean
if
it
happened
20
years
ago.
I
guess
I'm
wondering
why
that
would
be
relevant
to
anything
that
we're
deciding
talks
about
being
under
a
guardianship.
I
guess
I'm
wondering
are
being
18
years
old.
Would
it
could
we
just
ask
if
a
person
is
an
eligible
voter?
A
B
J
J
F
H
F
F
B
B
G
G
So
just
like
having
ms
weber
as
a
strong
resource
to
help
this
group,
ms
kendrick,
will
also
be
here
to
help
from
that
perspective
of
community
outreach
engagement,
connectivities
with
different
parts
of
the
city,
all
of
the
communities
within
the
city,
and
so
really
want
to
thank
her
for
being
with
us
today
and
going
forward.
But
christina
you
haven't
activated
your
camera,
so
I'm
going
to
assume
you're
not
going
to.
I
just
wanted
to
invite
her
to
say
a
few
words
again.
M
B
B
And
the
nicole
that
we've
been
referencing
is
nicole
webber.
She
is
the
redistricting
project
manager,
keeping
us
all
on
our
toes
across
the
board,
with
redistricting,
very
much
appreciated
and
as
it
we've
also
put
given
ms
weber
and
miss
kendrick
the
discretion
to
share
anything
that
we're
working
on
with
other
staff
members
who
may
bring
a
persp
purse
their
own
perspective
on
it
and
make
it
a
better.
More
representative
product
include
what,
as
we
wind
down
one
of
the
things
I
wanted
to
add.
H
B
B
I
think
that's
part
of
what
I
bring
to
the
table
with
regard
to
this
information,
because
one
of
our
principles
that
we
weighed
in
on
earlier
this
week
is
to
clarify
that
advisor
group
members.
When
we
sit
around
the
table
and
start
mapping
and
having
these
redistricting
discussions
advisory
group
members
are
equal
with
the
charter.
Commissioners
advisory
group
members
are
there
they're
needed,
they
are
critical
and
they
have
as
much
voice
as
anyone
else
on
the
table
at
the
table.
So
this
is
a
very
important
and
very
valued
process.
F
No,
I'm
fine,
I'm
fine!
Okay,
I
see
your
little
like
and
I
agree
with
you.
I
didn't
know
what
to
make
of,
because
I
was
on
the
commission
on
the
old
commissions,
two
of
the
three
times
they
had
that
80
81,
91
and-
and
there
were
only
seven
of
us
that
were
involved
in
that
process,
and
I
thought
how
is
it
going
to
be
with
25
but
as
it
turned
out,
I
I
thought
that
the
nine
additional
people
they
were
very
helpful.
F
I
think
you're
right
jill,
they
were
all
tr,
you
guys
were
all
equal
in
in
terms
of
how
we
did
the
work
and
the
contributions
from
those
folks
were
well.
They
were,
they
were
essential.
They
were,
they
were
as
good
as
anything
we
could
offer,
and
the
only
difference
was
that
the
commission
members
themselves
were
the
ones
that
got
the
15
were
got
to
vote
at
the
final,
but
it
was
unanimous.
J
You
thank
you,
chair,
garcia.
I
know
that
desralyn
cole,
I
believe,
she's
in
the.
I
think
it's
called
the
division
of
race
and
equity
she's
in
the
city
coordinator's
office.
I
know
there
have
been
discussions
in
the
past
about
potentially
allowing
people
to
send
in
videos
of
them
talking
about,
say,
questions
like
diversity
and
and
what
they've
done
in
the
community.
J
N
Yes,
I
know
there
had
been
some
discussion
about
security
concerns
for
keeping
those
videos
and
making
them
available
with
the
city
and
how
we
could
safely
do
that.
And
I
know-
and
I
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
christina,
but
I
think
that
christina
had
mentioned
at
one
point
that
there
was
a
similar
project
in
the
works.
N
That
ncr
was
looking
into
with
using
video
submissions
for
a
different
project.
And
so
I
know
that
we
have
kind
of
been
discussing
that
and
looking
into
seeing
whether
or
not
that
that
that
would
be
a
possibility
or
feasible
for
us.
So
christina
am
I
correct,
and
I
don't
know
if
there
has
been
any
further
discussion
on
that.
M
There
there
hasn't,
because
we
are
looking
at
the
same
issues
and
challenges
with
having
video,
but
it's
a
great
idea,
and
it
really
allows
people
who
might
feel
that
an
application
process
presents
some
barriers
etc.
So
we're
working
through
for
a
different
project
out
of
our
department,
on
what
a
video
application
looks
like
data
retention,
privacy
concerns
and
all
that.
So
I'm
hoping
to
have
an
answer
within
the
next
week
or
two,
because
the
grant
that
we're
considering
accepting
video
applications
for
is
due,
I
believe,
april
15.
M
B
B
I
I
am
not
sure
how
that
would
work,
but
in
terms
of
general
education
meetings,
it's
one
thing
in
terms
of
the
technical
work
demanded
by
the
advisory
group
and
by
the
way
I
agree
with
commissioner
perry
about
the
videos.
Again,
we've
had
to
be
very
careful.
We
don't
scare
people
away
from
applying
anyway,
just
another
thought.
B
B
Have
a
learning,
disability
and
completed
an
application
is
daunting.
A
video
may
be
preferable.
I
can
also
see
where
an
elder,
who
may
not
be
as
adept
at
technology
may
prefer
written.
There
are
a
variety
of
reasons
for
both
across
the
board
that
we
will
need
to
look
at
individually
and
then
take
a
look
at
what
is
the
in
the
best
interest
of
transparency
on
behalf
of
the
people
of
minneapolis.
B
B
Practically
as
well,
so
if
there
are
no
other
comments
or
no
other
discussion,
then
I
believe
we've
concluded
all
business
to
come
before.
The
charter
commission's
redistricting
advisory
member
selection
work
group,
and
we
can
also
revisit
whether
or
not
we
want
longer
names
for
these
groups
for
very
long.