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From YouTube: July 13, 2021 Heritage Preservation Commission
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C
Good
afternoon
and
welcome
to
this
live
broadcast
of
our
virtual
meeting
of
the
july
13
2021
regular
meeting
of
the
minneapolis
heritage
preservation
commission.
This
meeting
includes
the
remote
participation
of
members
as
authorized
under
minnesota
statute,
section
13
d
.021
due
to
the
declared
local
health
pandemic.
For
the
record,
my
name
is
madeleine
sundberg
and
I
serve
as
chair
of
the
minneapolis
heritage
preservation.
Commission.
C
D
I'll
come
back
to
that
commissioner.
Howard
present,
mr
johnson.
C
C
Lims.Minneapolismn.Gov
first
order
of
business
is
to
adopt
the
agenda
for
this
meeting,
we'll
work
from
the
agendas
that
are
available
online.
I
will
go
through
the
agenda
and
sort
out
what
items
will
be
continued
to
a
future
meeting.
What
items
will
be
discussed
and
what
items
we
put
on
the
consent
agenda
to
be
approved,
as
recommended
by
staff
and
without
further
discussion.
C
Item
number
four
is
110
bank
street.
This
is
ward
3
certificate
of
appropriateness.
This
item
will
be
discussed.
Item
number
five
is
24th
street
north
ward,
3,
stupid
of
appropriateness.
This
item
will
be
placed
on
consent
unless
someone
wishes
to
speak
in
opposition
to
this
or
modify
staff
recommendations.
C
So
I
would
like
to
check
at
this
time.
Commissioners.
Is
there
anybody
who
wishes
to
pull
item
number
five
off
of
consent
agenda
or
if
there
are
any
members
of
the
public
who
called
in
who
wish
to
speak
in
opposition
to
or
modify
staff
recommendations
for
item
five?
You
could
press
star
six,
and
let
me
know
that
you
have
called
in
on
this.
C
Item,
okay,
don't
see
me
at
this
time.
Item
number
six
is
600
and
700
2nd
street
south
ward
3
certificate
of
appropriateness.
This
item
will
be
discussed
so
again.
The
proposed
agenda
is
consent.
Agenda
will
include
item
number
five
24th
street
north
again.
Is
there
any
opposition
to
staff
recommendations
for
this
item
or
any
one
from
the
public?
Who
wishes
to
speak
in
opposition
to
this
item?
C
Don't
see
any
so,
this
item
will
approve
the
consent
agenda
items
in
one
notion
at
the
start
of
the
meeting
and
then
item
number
four,
which
is
110
bank
street
and
item
number
six,
which
is
600
and
700
2nd
street
south.
We'll
have
staff
presentation,
public
comment,
commission,
discussion
and
action.
C
E
F
D
C
Thank
you.
The
agenda
is
approved
and
I
think
I
need
to
say
let
the
record
reflect
that
commissioner
strothers
has
joined
us.
Our
next
order
of
business
will
be
to
approve
the
minutes
from
our
june
22
2021
meeting.
May
I
have
a
motion
to
approve
those.
C
C
G
E
B
D
C
Abstentions,
thank
you.
The
minutes
are
approved
before
I
open
the
hearing
to
public
comments.
Let
me
summarize
the
process
for
conducting
the
public
hearing
in
this
virtual
format.
The
process
for
the
public
hearing
will
be
as
follows.
First,
we
act
on
the
consent
agenda
that
we
just
set
once
items
on
the
consent
agenda
are
approved.
The
commission
is
done
with
those
items
and
applicants
may
contact
planning
staff
tomorrow
about
next
steps.
C
C
C
After
the
public
comments
are
complete,
I
will
close
the
hearing.
Commissioners
will
deliberate
and
act
on
the
application
before
us.
I
will
now
open
the
public
hearing
on
the
consent
agenda
items.
So
again,
this
is
item
number
five
24th
street
north
ward.
3.
again,
is
there
any
opposition
to
staff
recommendations
for
these
items?
C
C
C
E
E
D
C
Thank
you.
The
consent
agenda
item
number
5,
24th
street
north
ward,
3,
is
approved,
as
recommended
by
staff
on
the
agenda.
The
applicant
may
contact
planning
staff
tomorrow
about
next
steps.
C
B
Good
evening,
madam
chair
and
members
of
the
commission,
my
name
is
john
smoly
and
I'm
very
pleased
to
be
before
you
this
evening
to
discuss
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
to
remodel
the
28th
floor.
Rooftop
terrace
of
la
reef,
a
condominium
high-rise
at
110
bank
street
in
the
saint
anthony,
falls
historic
district
next
slide.
Please.
B
Laureeb
is
a
high-rise
condominium,
building
designed
in
the
post-modern
style
of
architecture
constructed
from
1981
to
1986.
It
was
approved
during
the
early
stages
of
the
riverfront
district's
transition
from
industrial
uses
to
mostly
residential
uses,
standing
at
312
feet,
tall
or
29
floors.
La
reeve
is
the
tallest
building
in
the
nicollet
island,
east
bank
neighborhood
and
its
terraced
south
facade
features
panoramic
views
of
downtown
minneapolis
and
the
mississippi
river
next
slide.
Please.
B
The
subject
building
is
a
non-contributing
resource
in
the
saint
anthony
falls
historic
district,
it's
located
within
the
hedepen
and
central
district
character
area
of
the
saint
anthony
falls
historic
district
on
the
site
of
the
former
minnesota
exposition
building
depicted
here
next
slide.
Please.
B
B
B
The
saint
anthony
falls,
historic
district
design
guidelines
require
rooftop
equipment
on
residential
and
commercial
buildings,
be
set
back
from
the
primary
building
facade
by
a
minimum
of
one
structural
bay
or
15
feet.
Whichever
is
greater
for
that
reason,
staff
is
recommending
the
project
be
approved.
C
Staff-
I
don't
see
any
at
this
time.
I
will
now
open
the
public
hearing
for
this
item.
It
sounds
like
the
applicant
is
here
and
would
like
to
speak.
I
have
two
names
on
my
list:
sandra
rolfe
and
john
pierce,
both
as
the
applicant.
So
I
don't
know
who
would
like
to
start
off
as
speaking,
but
if
you
could
press
star
six
on
your
phone,
wait
to
hear
the
pre-recorded
message
to
activate
your
microphone,
so
we
can
hear
you
and
then
just
state
your
name
and
address
for
the
record.
H
H
H
Excellent
okay,
so
slide
number
one
is
taking
a
look
at
the
view.
Of
course,
this
is
a
beautiful
view
towards
downtown
minneapolis
from
the
28th
floor,
as
john
mentioned,
most
of
the
renovations
are
being
done
out
of
necessity,
re-waterproofing
is
necessary,
and
so
all
of
the
amenities
that
you
currently
see
do
need
to
be
removed.
H
H
I'd
like
to
speak
to
the
location
of
the
pergola,
as
we
have
it
cited
on
the
far
west
side
of
the
terrace.
This
is
in
the
direction
of
the
prevailing
winds,
and
this,
of
course,
is
both
for
aesthetics
as
well
as
safety
on
the
terrace.
The
winds,
as
you
can
imagine,
on
the
28th
floor
can
be
extreme
at
times.
H
Let's
move
to
slide
number
three.
This
is
a
quite
literally
a
bird's
eye
view
into
the
space,
and
I
think
you
can
see
how
the
location
of
that
pergola
really
makes
the
whole
space
more
usable.
You
know
from
west
to
east,
with
the
current
sighting
of
that
pergola
next
slide,
please.
H
H
H
This
is
a
view
from
the
main
door
coming
out
of
the
the
living
room
area
of
the
unit
looking
across.
This
is
actually
a
pedestal
paper
system,
as
well
as
pedestal
turf
and
into
the
dining
room
beyond
which
is
sheltered
by
that
pergola.
H
And
next
slide
in
the
slide
deck,
we
did
decide
to
include
some
of
the
plan
drawings
to
to
sort
of
indicate
the
current
location
of
the
pergola
as
the
location
where
the
staff
is
suggesting
it
would
be
set
back
as
far
as
it
is
tall.
H
In
this
case,
the
the
pergola
height
is
ten
foot
two
inches
and
the
red
dashed
lines
illustrate
pretty
much
the
only
place
that
would
be
suitable
for
the
staff
recommendations,
and
I
think
I
think
everyone
can
can
sort
of
see
that
this
would
have
an
adverse
impact
on
the
interior
part
of
the
condo
unit.
The
doors
to
that
unit
are,
on
the
far
right
hand,
side
of
the
plan
diagram,
and
this
pergola
would
obviously
shade
and
prevent
light
from
getting
into
the
interior
space.
H
H
This
highlights
the
the
structure
itself
and
I
realize
that
the
the
hpc
guidelines
refer
to
the
location
of
rooftop
equipment
and
I
kind
of
felt
as
though
the
intent
of
that
rooftop
equipment
was
really
speaking
to
mechanical
equipment,
which
obviously
doesn't
have
the
aesthetics
of
this
element
that
we're
looking
at
in
these
pictures.
It
is
a
product
by
landscape
forms
and
we've
selected
a
powder
coated
metal
color.
That
would
be
a
complete
match
to
the
other
metal
features
on
the
building,
so
that
would
tie
to
the
architecture
of
this
post-modern
building.
H
H
Please.
I
think
these
images
really
do
highlight
the
location
or
lack
of
visibility
of
the
the
terrace
and
the
pergola
itself.
For
most
of
the
vantage
points
around
the
building,
on
the
left
hand,
side
you're,
seeing
a
bird's
eye
view.
Encircled
in
red
is
the
terrace
that
is
being
renovated
and
the
image
on
the
top
right
location,
a
points
to
location,
a
and
the
bird's
eye
on
the
left.
H
The
terrace
itself
is
actually
not
visible.
You
can't
even
see
the
railings
that
are
currently
existing
on
the
edge
of
that
terrace
from
the
park
right
directly
in
front
of
the
building,
the
only
location
close
to
the
building,
where
you
would
be
able
to
see
the
pergola
is
in
the
lower
right
hand,
image.
This
is
at
the
intersection
of
lord's
place
in
east
hennepin
avenue,
circled
in
red.
H
Something
else
I'd
like
to
highlight
in
this
image
is
the
the
solariums
that
have
also
been
added
to
the
top
of
the
building
the
design
of
the
pergola
and
the
materials
that
are
used
within
it
are
really
intended
to
work
with
those
and
to
and
to
blend
with
those.
I
believe
there
are
four
solariums
that
have
been
added
to
the
top
of
this
building
since
its
initial
construction.
H
And
next
slide,
please,
these
final
images
include
an
existing
image
on
the
left,
with
the
terrace
circled.
Once
again,
the
arrows
are
pointing
to
the
visible
solariums
that
have
been
added
to
the
top
of
the
building
since
its
construction
and
the
image
on
the
right
is
a
photoshopped
image
showing
the
visual
impact
of
the
pergola,
and
this
view
was
taken
from
the
hennepin
avenue
bridge.
H
H
These
are
two
images
of
other
pergolas
that
has
been
added
to
rooftops
that
are
clearly
visible
from
the
public
right
of
way.
In
some
cases
they
are
made
of
wood.
In
other
cases
they
are
made
of
metal
and
I
think
it
highlights-
and
you
know
there
are
other
portals
and
spaces
rooftop
terraces-
that
have
been
developed
very,
very
close
to
beloved
historic
places
within
the
district
and
that
they
really
have
not
had
an
adverse
impact.
C
H
C
Okay,
those
are
the
only
pre-registered
speakers
we
have
then.
So
I
would
like
to
check
again
if
there
are
any
other
speakers
who
may
have
called
in
about
this
item.
Item
number
4
110
bank.
C
Okay,
it
doesn't
appear
so
seeing
none.
I
will
close
the
public
hearing
and
commissioners
I'd
like
to
hear
your
thoughts
on
this,
especially
on
this
question
of
the
pergola
and
how
it
should
be
stepped
back
or
not.
I
guess
looking
at
the
application,
material
and
understanding
our
guidelines,
I'm
I'm
not.
You
know
I'm
kind
of
going
back
on
the
parking
lot.
So
I'd
like
to
hear
other
people's
thoughts.
Commissioner
sandol.
I
Hi
after
looking
at
this,
I
I
have
to
disagree
with
staff
findings,
and
I
I
think
this
is
a
unique
condition.
It's
a
non-contributing
building
and
the
sheer
height
of
it
puts
the
pergola
at
a
vantage
point
that
I
think,
impacts
how
it
how
it
is
visually
apparent
in
the
district
and
so
I've
kind
of
outlined.
Why?
I
disagree
with
staff
findings
and
staff
finding
number
one.
I
My
disagreement
is:
I
don't
see
that
the
proposed
changes
will
affect
the
integrity
of
the
historic
district
number
two.
This
area
is
historically
significant
for
industrial
uses
and
although
those
uses
did
not
historically
have
rooftop
terraces,
those
buildings
were
also
not
usually
39
stories
tall.
I
So
I
think
it's
already
kind
of
outside
the
realm
of
contributing
to
the
historic
character
of
the
district
number
three
steph
has
referenced
a
regulation
that
is
focused
on
mechanical
equipment,
and
I
don't
think
that
that
really
applies
here,
because
this
is
not
mechanical
equipment
and
then
and
number
four
like
I
said
before,
I
think
you
know
I
understand
that
it
would
be
visible
from
a
disadvant
vantage
point,
but
by
the
time
you're
that
far
away.
I
I
don't
think
that
the
visual
appearance
of
it
is
something
that
would
detract
significantly
from
the
integrity
of
the
historic
district.
So
those
are
my
thoughts
open
to
discussion.
C
I
was
having
similar
lines
of
thought
where,
because,
specifically,
the
height
of
the
building,
and
that,
although
it's
not
stepped
back
because
normally
we'd,
step
stuff
back
at
least
one
day,
one
structural
day-
that
although
this
is
at
the
edge
of
that
terrace
in
my
mind,
the
way
the
buildings
sort
of
pyramids
upward,
I
yeah.
I
guess
I'm
open
also
to
the
idea
that.
J
I
just
wanted
to
thank
commissioner
sandbolt
for
putting
the
findings
together
in
such
a
nice
concise
package,
because
I
I
concur
wholeheartedly.
I
truly
appreciate
dr
smelly's
condition
that
he
wrote
and
I
understand
where
it
came
from,
but
I
think
this
speaks
to
our
need
to
better
to
have
better
guidelines
for
non-contributing
buildings,
and
I
think
commissioner
samboldt
explained
it
just
perfectly
so
I
concur
with
her.
C
Thank
you,
commissioner
howard,
I'm
wondering
if
we've,
if
somebody
wants
to
make
a
motion
or
if
there's
anybody
else,
who'd
like
to
weigh
in
on
this
discussion,.
F
This
is
commissioner
johnson,
I
will
admit
I
it
every.
I
can't
find
where
the
chat
feature
is
right
now,
but
I
agree
with
commissioner
howard
and
commissioner
sam
bolt
and
since
nobody
is
speaking
up
to
add
anything,
I
would
be
willing
to
make
a
motion
to
approve
the
certificate
of
appropriateness
to
remodel
the
28th
floor.
Rooftop
terrace,
but
strike
condition
one
from
our
agenda.
C
C
Nays,
thank
you
that
motion
passes.
Our
next
item
is
item
number
six,
six
hundred
and
seven
hundred
second
street
south
ward.
Three.
I
am
recusing
myself
on
this
item,
so
I'm
gonna
hand
this
over
to
vice
chair
howard,.
J
Thank
you
very
much.
So
our
next
item
is
number
six
600
700
2nd
street
south
ward
3,
it's
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
and
the
staff
report
is
presented
by
dr
smalling.
Go
right
ahead.
B
Good
evening,
madam
chair
and
members
of
the
commission,
my
name
is
john
smoly
and
I'm
pleased
to
brief
you
on
another
certificate
of
appropriateness.
This
one
to
install
accessory
structures,
fences,
signage
landscaping,
pavers
lighting
and
related
features
at
600
and
702nd
street
south
in
the
saint
anthony
falls
historic
district
next
slide.
B
Please,
the
subject
properties
are
made
to
high-rise
condominium
buildings
located
mid-block
on
the
north
side
of
2nd
street
south
between
portland
and
park
avenue
south
on
the
in
the
west
side,
milling
area,
complex
of
the
water
power
district
character
area
of
the
saint
anthony
falls,
historic
district
stone,
arch
lofts
was
constructed
from
2000
to
2001
on
the
site
of
the
former
anchor
flower
mill.
This
site
was
deemed
contributing
to
the
saint
anthony,
false
historic
district
in
1971,
in
that
year's
national
register
of
historic
places
nomination.
B
But
with
the
construction
of
the
subject,
building
the
property
is
treated
as
a
non-contributing
resource.
The
adjacent
1914
building
at
702nd
street
south
historically
known
as
the
washburn
crosby
company
utility
building,
is
a
contributing
resource
in
the
san
antonio
falls
historic
district
with
some
significant
archaeological
remnants
on
the
subject,
property
line.
That
is
shared
with
the
mill
city
museum
next
slide.
Please,
the
san
antonio
falls
historic
district
centered
on
the
falls
of
saint
anthony
represents
minneapolis
origins.
B
Native
americans
have
been
visiting
the
only
major
waterfall
on
the
upper
mississippi
river
for
thousands
of
years,
as
this
cataract
gradually
moved
north
to
its
current
location.
The
falls
attracted
european
american
settlers
intent
on
harnessing
its
industrial
potential
first
through
saw
milling.
Then
grain
milling,
the
city
of
minneapolis,
began
serious
redevelopment
efforts
in
the
1980s,
which
has
transformed
the
central
riverfront
from
industrial
to
mostly
residential
uses.
B
The
applicant
proposes
to
install
accessories
to
install
accessory
structures
or
portals
fences,
landscaping,
signage
papers,
lighting
and
some
related
features.
He
also
proposed
to
improve-
or
this
is
designed
to
improve
the
appeal
of
residents,
common
areas
and
better
delineate
these
private
amenities
from
adjacent
public
and
institutional
spaces
in
mill
ruins
park
and
the
mill
city
museum.
B
The
applicant
has
noted
that
there
is
considerable
public
access
of
this
private
property,
which
the
joint
the
two
condominium
associate
associations
would
like
to
limit
for
a
number
of
different
reasons.
B
Next
slide,
please
it's
a
distinct
challenge
to
convert
industrial
areas
to
residential
uses
without
losing
the
historic
industrial
character.
That's
really
essential
to
that
district's
history
and
to
our
community's
history.
O2
has
done
so,
and
staff
is
pleased
to
recommend
approval
of
this
application
with
conditions
of
approval
in
three
notable
areas.
B
Prior
to
the
issuance
of
building
permits,
staff
recommends
that
the
project
be
conditioned
so
that
plans
are
amended
to
note
that
the
area
of
each
proposed
planting
area
and
planter
shall
be
reduced
by
at
least
75
percent.
In
keeping
with
the
appearance
of
volunteer
vegetation
in
industrial
areas,
the
saint
anthony
falls
historic
district
in
which
these
properties
lie
is
again
significant
for
industrial
uses
and
such
uses
didn't
historically
have
masses
of
vegetation
extensive
masses
of
vegetation.
B
Apart
from
the
riverbanks
themselves,
where
extensive
vegetation
has
historically
existed,
though,
it's
been
very
unplanned
and
volunteer
in
character.
The
saint
anthony
falls
historic
district
design
guidelines
recognized
that
and
they
do
permit
vegetation,
but
they
permit
vegetation,
that's
limited,
unplanned
volunteer
in
character
and
the
guidelines
encourage
native
plant
species.
B
The
applicant
does
propose
native
vegetation,
but
it
is
really
too
extensive
to
appear
volunteer
and
character
between
buildings
in
an
industrial
area,
and
for
this
reason
staff
recommends
the
proposal
be
conditioned
to
reduce
the
size
of
each
planting
area
and
planter
by
at
least
75
next
slide.
Please.
B
The
proposed
gates
will
obviously
not
facilitate
access
to
the
riverfront
from
2nd
street
south,
and
this
is
an
important
characteristic
of
this
section
of
the
historic
district,
where
remnants
of
historic
million
infrastructure
are
most
evident
as
the
west
side.
Milling
complex
design
guidelines
on
page
127
of
the
saint
anthony
falls
historic
district
design
guidelines.
Note
the
highest
concentration
of
milling,
related
development
exists
here.
Access
to
the
water
power
canal
was
at
a
premium,
and
that
shaped
the
massing
and
locations
of
these
buildings.
B
Next
slide,
please,
in
terms
of
compliance
with
the
secretary
of
the
interior
standards
for
the
treatment
of
historic
properties.
The
basket
weave
pattern
in
the
proposed
metal,
fencing
and
gates
does
not
appear
compatible
in
design
with
the
industrial
character
of
the
most
intact
milling
area
within
this
historic
district.
B
For
this
reason,
staff
recommends
the
project
be
conditioned
to
require
any
approved
gates
or
fencing
utilize.
A
similar
pattern,
I'm
sorry
a
simpler
pattern,
already
approved
by
the
heritage
preservation
commission
for
use
on
these
properties
and
in
the
slide
itself
before
you,
you
can
see
at
least
three
types
of
fencing
that
have
already
been
approved
by
the
commission
on
these
sites
and
deemed
quite
compatible
with
the
industrial
character
of
this
area.
B
B
These
portals
or
accessory
structures
would
also
be
highly
visible
from
the
heart
of
this
historic
district,
one
of
the
city
and
states.
First,
where
substantial
investments
and
planning
efforts
really
warrant
added
care,
the
proposed
structures
would
face
a
highly
physical,
visible
public
right-of-way
on
a
lot
where
many
masonry
buildings
were
present
during
the
period
of
significance.
B
This
is
one
of
the
most
visible
and
viewed
areas
in
any
minneapolis
historic
district.
Thousands
of
pictures
taken
on
the
stone
arch
bridge
each
year
would
easily
capture
these
features.
In
the
background,
for
these
reasons,
staff
recommends
the
project
be
conditioned
to
deny
the
proposed
portals
or
accessory
structures
next
slide,
please.
B
So
those
are
the
conditions
of
approval
staff
recommends,
be
applied
to
the
project
to
meet
the
heritage;
preservation.
Commission,
I'm
sorry,
heritage
preservation,
regulations,
certificate
of
appropriateness
findings.
I
focused
your
attention
on
those
areas,
those
areas
where
staff
and
the
applicant
disagree,
but
I
have
not
discussed
the
numerous
areas
where
the
applicant
has
proposed
or
amended
their
proposal
in
ways
that
meet
these
standards
and
staff
genuinely
appreciates
these
efforts.
It's
been
a
genuine
pleasure
to
work
with
the
applicant
han
zhang.
B
As
detailed
in
the
public
comment
letter
submitted
by
the
mill
city
museum,
that's
in
your
staff
report
packet,
the
concrete
wall
that
the
applicant
originally
proposed
for
the
eastern
property
line
has
been
voluntarily
reduced
to
a
fence
whose
footings
will
disturb
less
ground
and
which
may
be
positioned
to
ensure
they
avoid
significant
subsurface
resources.
As
those
surface
subsurface
resources
are
encountered
if
they
are
encountered
during
the
construction
process.
B
B
The
applicant
has
submitted
letters
of
support
from
representatives
of
every
property
owner
on
this
block.
Those
letters
come
from
msr
architecture
responsible
for
much
historic
rehabilitation
work
in
the
immediate
area
from
the
national
landmark
national,
historic,
landmark
mill
city
museum,
whose
archaeological
resources
may
be
impacted
by
the
proposed
fence
on
the
eastern
property
line,
as
well
as
the
humboldt,
lofts
and
north
star
lofts
homeowners
associations.
B
Two
com,
two
additional
letters
of
support,
come
from
one,
the
downtown
minneapolis
neighborhood
association
and
thomas
meyer,
one
of
the
founders
of
msr
architecture,
which
offices
in
the
mill
city,
museum
building.
You
have
those
before
you
this
evening.
B
For
these
reasons,
cpad
recommends
that
the
heritage
preservation
commission
adopt
staff
findings
for
the
application
proposed
by
o2
design
for
the
properties
located
at
600
and
702nd
street
south
to
approve
the
certificate
of
appropriateness
to
install
accessory
structures,
fences,
signage
landscaping,
pavers
lighting
and
related
features.
Subject
to
the
conditions
listed
in
the
staff
report.
J
J
Thank
you,
commissioner
bjernberg.
So
commissioners
questions
first
staff,
commissioner
strothers.
K
B
B
B
I
feel
the
signage
that
we're
you
know
recommending
can
help
create
some
territorial
demarcation
to
you
know
convince
passersby
that
this
is
in
fact
private
property.
It's
not
suitable,
for
you
know,
photographs
for
you
know,
sitting
and
relaxing,
maybe
having
a
snack
as
as
the
applicant
has
indicated,
some
people
do
or
more
late
night
activities.
B
You
know
I've
encouraged
them
to
consider
talking
to
the
police.
I've
noted
that
you
know
in
the
past
we
have
allowed
security
cameras
to
be
installed
and
those
sorts
of
things,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day
the
saint
anthony
falls.
B
Historic
district
design
guidelines
are
pretty
specific
in
that
access
to
the
riverfront,
especially
in
this
portion
of
the
historic
district,
is
really
a
priority,
and
so
we
had
to
balance
that
guideline
with
our
ability,
as
preservation,
staff
members,
you
know,
and
commissioners,
not
as
police
officers
as
well
as
the
you
know,
the
concerns
we
heard
from
the
residents
and
the
you
know,
design
proposal
of
the
applicant
to
come
up
with
the
recommended
condition
of
approval
that
you
see
before
you
this
evening.
B
I
would
note
that
we
have
included
another
condition
of
approval
that
tries
to
help
ensure
any
gates
that
get
installed.
Should
you
choose
to
strike
that
other
condition
of
approval?
That
would
you
know,
try
to
make
those
gates
compatible
a
bit
more
compatible
with
the
historic
these
two
historic
properties,
where
three
different
gate
or
fence
types
are
already
in
place.
F
I
do
I
guess
what
I'm
struggling
with
john
is
how
I
think
in
the
report
and
in
your
presentation,
we
keep
saying
that
we
want
to
provide
access
to
the
public
through
a
private
right-of-way
and
I'm
really
struggling
how
that's
within
hpc's
jurisdiction
about
how
we
can
tell
a
a
condominium
hoa
that
owns
the
land
that
they
need
to
provide
access
for
the
public.
Is
it
a?
Is
it
a
need,
or
is
it
a
want
or
a
desire?
B
Madam
chair,
commissioner,
johnson,
that
is
a
great
question.
It's
an
interesting
aspect
of
the
design
guidelines
themselves,
but
it's
one
that
is
in
you
know
some
guidelines
that
were
approved
less
than
10
years
ago.
In
you
know,
close
consultation
with
the
saint
anthony
falls
heritage
board,
the
national.
You
know,
park
service,
minra
a
wide
wide
variety
of
property
owners,
preservation,
partners
and
interested
parties
in
the
area,
and
that
is
the
way
the
guideline
reads.
B
You
know
in
some
instances
when
there's
you
know
where
there
are
private
properties,
but
where
significant
public
investment
has
occurred,
say,
for
example,
over
at
the
guthrie
theater
several
buildings
away
from
these
two,
the
city
does
have
a
better
ability
to
regulate
public
access
to
those
private
properties
due
to
the
level
of
public
financing
that
was
involved.
B
I
don't
know
the
level
of
any
if
there
was
any
sort
of
public
financing
that
brought
about
the
you
know,
initial
connection
from
the
river
itself
to
2nd
street
south,
but
I
would
note,
as
I
did
in
the
staff
report
and
in
my
presentation,
that
you
know
one
of
the
reasons
that
the
applicants
know
they
have
concerns
about.
B
Limiting
or
they
you
know,
desire
to
limit
public
access
to
the
site
is
that
there
is
some
unpermitted
parking
that's
going
on,
and
you
know
it
is
somewhat
ironic
that
if
gates
are
installed,
it
will
prevent
members
of
the
public
from
accessing
some
really
terrific,
very
large.
You
know
capacity
public
parking
facilities
very
very
close
to
this
particular
site.
Two
garages,
public
garages
very
close
to
this
particular
site,
and
I
would
also
note
that
the
gates
that
are
being
proposed
are
just
for
the
breezeway
area.
B
They
are
not
for
the
sort
of
parking
area.
That's
immediately
adjacent
to
the
river,
which
seemed
to
be.
You
know
the
focus
of
a
lot
of
the
concerns
about
public
use
of
this
private
property.
So
I
will,
I
will
leave
it
at
that,
but
you
do
raise
a
good
point.
F
Yeah
no-
and
I
appreciate
that
I
definitely
acknowledge
that
it
is
a
long
block
without
public
access,
but
I
will
say
that
even
if
the
gate
is
not
there,
it's
you
still
have
to
walk
up
steps
and
then
down
steps
on
the
other
side.
So
it's
not
accessible,
ada
accessible
by
any
means,
but
I
guess
we'll
talk
about
that
shortly.
J
Following
up
on
commissioner
johnson's
questions,
john
you
mentioned
was
this
passageway?
It
was
never
a
street
or
an
alley.
Historically,.
B
Madam
chair,
not
to
my
knowledge,
it
was
the
site
of
the
anchor
mill
and
the
you
know.
1971
national
register
nomination
recognizes
that
it
doesn't
describe
to
my
memory.
It
does
not
describe
any
sort
of
public
alley
that
existed
there.
The
riverfront
itself
was
highly
industrialized
and
I'm
not
I'm
not
aware
of
this.
Having
been
historically
used
as
an
alley.
J
Yeah,
I
I
couldn't
find
anything
either
thanks
for
that
confirmation.
I
had
one
question
for
you
and
I
was
that
was
the
the
landscape
percentage
you
had
recommended
reducing
that
by
at
least
75,
and
I'm
just
curious
where
that
came
about.
Is
it
just
through
the
you
know,
looking
at
what
might
look
more
volunteerish
or
was
there
something
in
the
guidelines
that
I
missed
that
had
to
do
with
size
or
anything
like
that?
J
B
Yet
still,
you
know
allow
the
applicant
to
exercise
some
initiative
in
terms
of
how
they
meet
those,
sometimes
that's
challenging.
So
having
said
that,
if
the
commission
would
like
to
go
higher
or
lower
staff
sees
no,
you
know
point
in
the
guidelines
themselves.
That
would
that
we
would
bring
up
and-
and
you
know,
caution
you
to
follow.
J
It's
my
understanding
by
putting
that
percentage
in
if,
if
they
are
to
reduce
it,
that
would
allow
it
to
be
reviewed
by
staff
without
having
to
come
back
before
us,
so
having
a
percentage
is
going
to
be
what
is
going
to
what
would
be
most
useful
for
staff
review
on
that
item.
That's
correct!
Okay!
Thank
you,
commissioners.
Any
other
questions
for
staff.
J
I'm
not
seeing
any
so.
I
will
now
open
the
hearing,
the
open,
the
public
hearing
for
this
item-
and
I
understand
the
applicant-
is
here
and
would
like
to
speak.
So
please
press
star,
6
on
your
phone
and
wait
to
hear
a
recorded
message
to
activate
your
microphone
and
be
sure
to
state
your
name
and
address
for
the
record,
and
we
have
john
butler
robert
pulled
and
han
zhang
for
applicants.
L
L
L
L
Our
care,
and
our
being
here
helps
preserve
these
surroundings
through
considerable
investment,
but
the
environment
also
has
to
be
livable.
For
us.
It's
important
to
know
that
these
two
buildings,
we're
talking
about
washburn
and
stone
arch,
are
really
one
property.
We
have
one
hoa.
We
share
many
common
elements.
For
example
the
breezeway
we're
talking
about
between
2nd
street
and
the
river
is
the
roof
of
our
garage.
L
L
This
is
where
our
front
doors
are
on
the
breezeway
set
off
the
street.
While
we
want
visitors,
we
want
visitors
and
neighbors
in
the
community
to
enjoy
the
space
and
pass
freely
between
second
street
and
the
river.
There
are
problems
at
times,
but
this
is
late.
At
night,
early
morning
hours
we've
had
break-in
attempts.
Recently,
a
lock
box
is
broken
with
a
sledgehammer
people
party
late
at
night,
in
a
space
that
looks
like
a
public
ally
between
buildings,
despite
signage
we
have
already.
L
This
is
just
a
few
feet
from
where
residents
are
trying
to
sleep.
The
surface
parking
lot
too,
which
is
connected
more
or
less,
is
also
subject
to
abuse,
as
you
can
imagine
with
that
from
cars
and
vandalism,
you
might
be
thinking
that's
life
in
the
big
city,
but
this
is
our
home.
We
need
it
to
be
safe,
we
want.
We
want
the
public
and
our
neighbors
and
our
visitors
to
use
this
passageway
respectfully
to
appreciate
and
enjoy
the
historic
significance
of
this
area.
This
is
our
home.
L
L
Our
project
started
two
years
ago.
Our
20-plus
year-old
parking
lot
is
seriously
in
need
of
repair,
but
uneven
breezeway
pavers
need
to
be
replaced
and
it
needs
lighting.
We
want
to
actually
make
it
more
welcoming
and
parallel
with
river
first
projects,
the
new
owami
restaurant
nearby
that
we're
all
anxiously
awaiting
creatively
and
artfully
blends
historic
structures
with
new,
and
it
has
extensive
native
plannings,
a
committee
with
eight
residents
was
formed
and
met
for
two
years
with
contributions
and
experience
of
o2
design.
L
Our
plan
keeps
these
spaces
open
to
the
community,
but
demarcates
our
property.
It's
ecologically
sound
with
plantings,
better
surface
water
management
using
permeable
pavers,
the
breezeway
gate
we
propose
would
be
retracted
to
the
wall.
Most
of
the
time
and
used
when
needed
generally
late
at
night
in
the
early
morning
hours,
we
had
broad
support
for
this
project.
Our
residents
voted
with
the
super
majority.
To
make
this
considerable
investment,
we
worked
with
the
mill
city
museum
to
find
a
solution
that
we
were
both
happy
with.
L
In
fact,
we
thought
it
was
an
improvement
on
what
we
started
with
the
downtown
minneapolis
neighborhood
association.
Banana
soy
unanimously
supports
our
project.
You
want
to
preserve
and
protect
the
historic
features
of
the
middle
district.
We
want
to
also
we
think
the
solution
achieves
a
balance.
We
seek
between
the
preservation
of
structures
from
our
amazing
history,
emerging
old
and
new,
creating
a
safe
livable
environment
for
our
residents
and
a
welcoming
experience
for
neighbors
visitors
and
community.
Appreciating
our
rich
history.
J
M
Yeah,
this
is
han
from
o2
design,
I'm
the
landscape
architect
for
the
project.
I
would
like
to
put
my
presentation
slide
on
the
screen
clerk.
Please
help
me
on
that
and
if
commissioner
howard,
could
you
let
me
know,
if
you
see
the
screen.
M
Us,
okay,
thank
you
yeah!
Thank
you.
The
the
slide
number
is
on
the
upper
right
of
the
page
for
the
clerk
reference,
so
I
would
like
to
make
a
presentation
start
with
explaining
the
background
and
the
design
principle
of
the
project
in
the
century.
The
urban
context
of
the
surrounding
neighborhood
and
historical
area
has
changed
significantly
well.
The
period
of
significance
of
our
historical
district
is
from
1848
to
1941
the
80
years
following
that
contains
a
significant
period
of
change
and
is
very
much
relevant
to
the
preservation
of
today's
historical
integrity.
M
It
is
the
adaptive,
reuse
and
rehabilitation
started
in
the
late
1980s
bring
life
back
to
this
historical
area,
and
I
want
also
to
respond
to
dr
somalis,
some
comment
and
the
questions
from
commissioners
stressors.
So
the
north
stone
arch
loft
is
not
a
historical
building.
Is
a
infield
building,
totally
developed
from
the
scratch
from
the
ground
in
2000,
early
2000s
and
the
washburn
loft.
We
recognize
it
is
a
utility
building.
That's
a
historical
story.
Part
of
the
meals
city
museum.
M
M
M
Over
the
course
of
30
years
years
of
adaptive,
reuse
development,
the
project
site
has
been
outgrown
by
later
commercial
and
recreational
mix
use
development.
It
has
not
lost
the
balance
of
historical
expression
with
contemporary
residential
living,
which
we
believe
is
the
initial
intent
of
the
riverfront
revitalization
effort.
M
There
is
a
need
to
revisit
the
project
through
the
lens
of
urban
growth,
to
ensure
the
balance,
the
coexistence
of
historical
characters
and
current
structures,
visitors
and
inhabitants
for
the
future
growth
of
the
district,
and
this
is
really
the
ultimate
goal
of
our
project.
As
stated
by
john,
the
project
was
conceived
at
the
beginning
of
2019..
M
It
is
two
and
a
half
year,
continuous
design,
effort
with
community
input
and
collaboration.
So
all
the
points
of
security
and
safety
is
well
thought
through
and
has
been
collaborated
extensively
with
the
residents
and
the
community.
Really
the
people
on
the
project
is
trying
to
serve
and-
and
dr
smalley
have
stated
that
we
got
all
the
neighboring
property
support
from
the
block
the
dmna,
the
neighborhood
association
has
voted
to
support
the
project
unanimously
because
they
have
seen
that
we
have
the
same
goal,
which
is
to
promote
a
safe
and
vibrant
urban
environment.
M
So
there
are
some
key
issues.
I
design
elements
particularly
mentioned
in
the
staff
finding.
M
M
First,
I
want
to
talk
about
the
gate.
The
gates,
the
breezeway
is
a
private
property.
The
stone
arch
and
washburn
lofts
are
subject
to
a
redevelopment
agreement
with
the
city
of
minneapolis
signed
on
1998,
which
provides
for
reasonable
public
access
subject
to
reasonable
security
and
other
conditions.
M
M
I
think
commissioner
johnson
made
a
comment
that
the
access
through
the
breezeway
really
is
now
the
ada
access
accessible
and
the
gold
medal
park
connection
is
public
and
ada
accessible,
so
those
public
corridors
are
licensed
a
block
away
from
the
site
and
have
more
direct
access
to
the
public
attractions.
M
The
two
off-street
parking
facilities
on
dr
somali
has
mentioned,
and
the
tourist
destinations
like
the
mio
ruins
park
and
the
canal
riverfront
ruins.
We
believe
the
solution
to
enhance
historical
district
experience.
Really
this
inviter
managed
and
enforced
the
public
access
and
well-attended
private
access.
The
erection
of
the
gate
will
reinforce
the
already
exist
public
circulation
flow
by
providing
daytime
access
into
the
breezeway,
with
the
flexibility
to
close
at
night.
M
The
gate
is
only
closed
after
hours
at
night,
which
is
in
alignment
with
minneapolis
public
park
hours,
basically
from
dawn
to
dusk,
for
example,
the
mio
ruin
parks
directly
across
the
west
river
parkway
has
park
hours
from
6
a.m,
to
10
p.m.
In
undeveloped
areas,
the
parks
are
closed
at
night
because
of
public
safety
concerns
and
people
hanging
around
at
night
really
is
trespassing
the
property.
M
M
M
The
existing
view,
through
the
private
bridgeway
as
a
public
amenity
and
preserve
it
to
the
maximum
extent
without
impeding
the
ability
to
access
control
for
public
safety
reason,
as
you
can
see
through
the
rendering
in
this
image,
the
proposed
planters,
lightings,
paving
enhancement
in
the
breezeway,
will
be
the
focal
point
of
the
street
expression
and
the
pedestrian
experience
and
the
gate
will
blend
in
with
the
historical
building
facade,
which
is
a
good
introduction
to
the
next
slide.
Please,
on
this
slide,
I
want
to
talk
about
the
funds
and
gate
pattern.
M
The
district
design
guidelines
do
not
provide
guidance
on
funds
or
gate
style.
Reading
the
guidelines
closely
related
to
the
funds
and
gate
design.
A
simple
microwork
is
most
appropriate
on
industrial
buildings,
and
also
a
contemporary
interpretation
of
traditional
design
is
appropriate
for
architectural
characters
and
details.
M
M
Although
the
baskerville
pattern
is
not
particular
to
our
period
of
industrial
significance,
it
is
a
historical
pattern,
well
established
and
has
a
rich
architectural
history,
particularly
on
masonry
work
which
are
prominent
in
our
district's
period
of
significance,
and
I
see
dr
somali
have
presented
the
existing
food
spells
between
the
washburn
lofts
and
the
stone
arch
loves.
M
M
So
we
and
the
clients
have
have
hold
themselves
to
a
high
standard
of
design,
so
I
would
think
simply
utilizing
a
pattern
from
either
loft
won't
accomplish
the
high
design
standard,
the
client-side
force
for
themselves,
and
we
have
also
studied
other
architectural
patents
throughout
the
district,
as
is
shown
on
the
bottom
bottom
right
of
the
slide.
M
I
would
also
like
to
note
that
our
funds
and
the
gates
have
a
much
smaller
street
presence
than
the
large-scale
building
funestration
pattern.
You
see
through
the
neighborhood
example,
which
led
us
to
believe
that
the
patent
could
fit
in
with
the
streetscape
very
well
go
to
slide
5,
please
talking
about
the
portals,
so
there
are
four
portals
in
the
project,
one
at
each
entrance
of
the
parking
lot
and
the
one
on
either
end
of
the
breezeway
paired
with
the
gate.
M
M
M
M
The
design
guideline
acknowledges
the
struggle
of
accommodating
human
yield
in
an
industrial,
significant
area.
However,
it
also
provides
us
the
tool
to
combat
this
challenge
by
properly
utilizing
horizontal
articulation
techniques
such
as
canopies
and
awnings.
The
portal
is
a
freestanding
structure.
M
The
metal
canopy
in
front
of
the
washburn
lofts
and
the
meal
city
museum
is
not
original,
as
you
can
see
on.
The
upper
right
photo
is
a
historical
photo
in
from
early
to
solvent
those
metal
candies
added
to
the
character
of
the
historical
building
tremendously
dr
smalley
also
commented
on
the
scale
of
the
portal.
M
The
portals
at
the
parking
lot
entrance
must
accommodate
emergency
vehicle
access
and
trash
collection
vehicle
to
get
through
the
parking
lot,
which
makes
it
necessary
to
be
the
proposed
height.
The
portal
at
the
breezeway
is
way
much
shorter
than
the
ones
in
the
parking
lot.
However,
it
is
proportional
to
the
first
floor
head
of
industrial
buildings
in
the
district,
as
well
as
the
existing
michael
kennedy
in
front
of
washburn
loft
and
meal
city
museum.
M
We
have
conducted
a
study
of
existing
and
proposed
street
view.
Comparison,
particularly
about
the
thought.
Excuse
me
the
photo
opportunities
at
the
iconic
landmark
of
the
new
city
museum
as
we
we
value
and
treasure
mio
city
museum,
as
everyone
as
you
can
see.
Through
this
study,
the
portals
at
the
parking
lot
fit
well
into
the
surrounding
environment.
M
M
And
if
we
go
could
go
to
slide
seven,
please.
The
next
several
slides
illustrate
our
proposed
design
renderings
at
the
top
of
the
page
in
comparison
with
existing
fat
photos
on
the
bottom.
If
the
clerk
could
help
slowly
flip
through
them.
As
I
speak
for
the
next
one
minutes,
maybe
flick
back
flip
back
and
forth
slowly.
M
M
The
design
guideline
particularly
state
that
on
page
43,
if
people
have
that
guideline
in
front
of
them,
it
says
vegetation
is
key
element
of
the
evolving
adaptive
reuse
of
landscape.
M
M
M
Enhancing
those
adaptive,
reuse,
functional
area
with
planting
will
provide
a
high
quality
physical
environment,
which
is
set
up
as
one
of
the
major
goals
for
the
city
2040
plan.
As
a
landscape
escape
architect
myself.
I
have
closely
followed
the
initiative
from
the
city,
the
park
board
and
other
non-profit
organizations
to
invest
in
the
riverfront
and
landscape
design
for
riverfront
recreational
use.
M
M
J
You
thank
you
han.
I
think
we
still
need
to
get
your
address
for
the
record.
N
J
O
This
is
bob
foley.
Can
you
hear
me?
I
can
hear
you
bob
yeah
and
I
I
do
want
to
speak,
but
you
know
we've
said
a
lot.
We've
taken
a
lot
of
your
time,
and
so
you
know
the
bad
thing
about
being.
Third,
is
that
everybody
before
me
has
made
the
relevant
points
and
they
have
and
they've
made
them
well,
and
I
and
I
certainly
support
those
I
I
just
want
to
highlight
of
the
thing
all
the
things
that
it
said.
O
You
know
you
know
for
me
in
terms
of
when
my
wife
becky
and
I
moved
down
here
about
five
years
ago
from
edina
it
was,
you
know,
for
the
beauty
of
the
area
for
the
energy
of
the
area.
The
vibrancy
of
the
area
which
I'm
right
now
looking
down
stone
arch
bridge
at
and
you
know
we
don't
want
to
do
anything
to
do
to
you-
know
damage
that
in
any
way.
But
the
other
issue
certainly
is
that
we
have
known
here
by
by
living.
O
Here
is
the
safety
issue,
and
unfortunately
it's
it's
a
bit
more
of
an
issue
than
it
was.
You
know
some
years
ago
and
we're
trying
to
address
that.
As
john
said,
it
is
our
front
door
and
it
is
private
property,
and
this
is
the
way
that
we
think
best
to
to
address
that.
We
understand
that
in
doing
that
at
certain,
certainly
for
certain
hours
of
the
night
in
this
case,
access
will
be
restricted.
O
You
know
that
people
otherwise
have,
but
if
you
do
look
as
as
han
pointed
out
at
the
the
different
accesses
that
that
already
exist
and
remain
as
well
as
now
that
the
waterworks
is
is
complete
the
access
there
that
we
think
it's
a
it's
a
pretty
reasonable
trade-off
in
the
whole
thing.
So
those
are
the
points
I
make.
We
ask
for
your.
You
know
your
your
help
in
this,
and
thank
you
for
your
time
and
by
the
way
I
live
at
700,
so
I'm
in
washington.
I
live
at
700
seconds.
J
J
I
had
just
one.
I
really
appreciate
the
extensive
information
that
you
presented
before
us
today.
I
want
to
go
back
to
that
basket.
Weave
pattern.
You
mentioned
that
it
was
to
help
unify
the
patterns
on
the
two
adjacent
buildings.
I'm
just
curious:
can
you
confirm
there?
Are
there
any
basket
weave
patterns
within
the
district
that
you
found?
That
would
serve
as
precedence.
I
understand
it's
a
historically
appropriate
pattern
for
certain
districts,
but
are
there
any
within
this
historic.
J
M
Can
hear
you
now
han?
Yes,
sorry,
I
may
accidentally
muted
myself
trying
to
add
mute.
Yes,
yes
about
the
basket
wave
pattern,
yeah.
The
particular
pattern
is
not
present
in
the
historical
barrier,
but
I
think,
as
part
of
the
creative
design,
we
are
already
always
trying
to
create
a
pattern
that
addressing
the
issues.
That
is,
a
tasteful
design
the
if
we
can
still
have
my
presentation
on
slide
four,
so
it's
interesting
kind
of
artistic
stimulation.
When
I
look
at
the
building
fenestrations
of
both
stone,
archloft
and
washburn
washburn
lofts.
M
So
there
are
this
kind
of
window
grids
and
it
functions
as
the
particles
in
a
rectangular
opening.
Sorry,
I'm
not
an
architect
and
kind
of
very
intuitively
talk
about
graphics
and.
N
M
This
grid
pattern
present
in
both
of
the
buildings,
so
we
are
using
the
grid
to
unite
those
two
buildings
pattern
and
the
basket
wave
is
really
infilled
into
the
grid.
We
choose
the
basket
wave
pattern
because
it
has
a
significant
significance
about
the
masonry
building
and
the
masonry
building
is
what
those
two
love
building
material.
J
J
We
ask
that
each
speaker
provide
your
name
and
address
before
making
your
comments.
When
recognized,
please
press
star,
stick
on
six
on
your
phone
and
wait
to
hear
a
recorded
message
to
activate
your
microphone
so
that
we
can
hear
you.
J
I
want
to
mention
that,
since
we
have
a
list
of
speakers
here,
I'll
limit,
your
speaking
to
just
two
minutes,
so
I'd
ask
you
to
speak
to
the
application
before
us
and
the
first
person
on
the
list
after
the
applicant
team
is
julie,
snow,
julie,
snow!
If
you
could
press
star
six
and
wait
for
the
recorded
message
and
then
give
us
your
name
and
address.
P
Perfect,
this
is
julie
snow.
I
am
with
so
crylic
architects
and
we're
at
219
on
north
2nd
street,
and
I
want
to
speak
in
favor
of
this
design.
I
find
it
a
very
compelling
design
and
I
would
say
that
I
think
we
really
have
to
be
sensitive
to
the
security
and
livability
of
our
downtown
area,
particularly
with
the
recent
issues
that
have
occurred
all
over
the
city.
Really.
P
I
would
also
say
that
you
know
I'll
be
super
brief,
that
I
think
the
the
fence
is
is
really
a
very
compelling
piece.
I
love
the
transparency
of
it
and
the
way
that
it
works
with
the
brick.
So
I
love
even
if
it's
closed
you
can
see
down
to
the
river
and
I've.
P
We
began
work
many
many
years
ago
in
this
district
with
the
humboldt
lofts,
and
I
will
say
that
there
was
a
a
really
huge
area
of
volunteer
plants
over
there.
So
I
I
would
argue
that
volunteer
plants
aren't
necessarily
in
small
areas
but
might
be
in
in
quite
large
areas
as
well.
So
I
I
really
think
that
the
planted
areas
lend
a
wonderful
sort
of
humane
scale
to
the
street.
J
Thank
you,
julie.
The
next
person
on
our
list
is
jose
perez.
If
you
could
press
star
six
and
give
us
your
name
and
address
before
speaking,
jose
hi,
we
can
hear
you
jose
hello.
Q
Hi,
please
contemporary.
Thank
you
for
the
call,
I
think,
john
and
bob,
and
the
architect
has
said
things
very
very
well.
We
think
this
is
a
lovely
design.
We
currently,
I
have
to
say,
honestly:
we
cannot
sleep
at
night
when
the
noise
is
going
on
in
the
morning
around
six.
Am
we
often
go
out?
We
take
the
dog
out
and
we
have
found
beer
cans,
cigarette
butts
needles,
garbage
on
the
stairs
and
in
the
bridgeway
we
have
seen
people
peeing
against
our
building.
Q
Even
today,
when
I
went
out
to
take
the
dog
at
six
o'clock
in
the
morning,
I
saw
beer
cans.
We
had
removed
graffiti
from
our
building.
As
you
pointed
out,
you
know
this
is
a
private
area.
The
police
no
longer
have
the
resources
to
respond
to
the
calls
as
they
used
to.
They
told
us
that
this
neighborhood
used
to
be
industrial.
It's
now
residential.
Q
We
we
seen
there
is
a
lot
of
attractive
work,
so
we
implore
you
to
help
us
to
retain
a
sense
of
safety
and
to
make
this
local
downtown
minneapolis
a
place
to
come,
as
opposed
to
a
lot
of
friends
who
asked
me:
why
do
you
live
still
there?
Thank
you
very
much
and
have
a
good
evening.
J
Thank
you
jose.
We
appreciate
your
comments.
The
next
person
on
the
list
is
diana
golden
diana.
If
you
could
press
star
six
and
then
give
us
your
name
and
address
after
the
recording.
J
J
Okay,
I'm
gonna
skip
past
diana
will
come
back
to
her.
The
last
person
that
has
pre-registered
is
jan
breyer.
If
you
could
press
star
six
and
give
us
your
name
and
address.
J
J
J
I
see
jan
was
just
readmitted
to
the
the
meeting
jan
breyer,
we're
up
to
you
on
the
the
list.
If
you
could
press
star
six
and
tell
us
your
name
and.
N
N
J
J
Jan
jan
one
last
chance,
can
you
speak?
Can
you
hear.
Q
J
J
J
J
J
Seeing
none
I'm
going
to
close
this
public
hearing.
Commissioners,
let's
discuss,
are
there
any
concerns
or
comments
based
on
what
you've
read
and
what
you
heard
tonight?
F
First
round
no,
I
I
appreciate
the
long
presentation
from
the
applicant
and
john's
presentation.
Also,
you
know
I
I'm
kind
of
going
back
and
forth
on
this,
because
I
know
this
is
an
iconic
building,
it's
very
visible
from
the
stone
arch,
it's
one
of
it's
like
the
the
the
picture
of
minneapolis,
if
you're
looking
at
the
skyline
from
the
stone
arch,
but
I
also
understand
the
residents
concerns.
I
also
live
in
this
neighborhood.
F
So
I
can,
you
know,
kind
of
understand
that
it
doesn't
have
the
vibe
of
an
industrial
neighborhood
anymore,
but
it
is
residential.
I
have
a
really
hard
time
telling
the
applicant
that
we
need
to.
You
know
that
we're
preferring
concrete
over
in
a
non-permeable
surface
over
you
know
vegetation.
I
just
you
know.
I
am
a
big
proponent
of
green
spaces.
F
You
know,
and
even
though
this
is
like
designated
designated
as
a
industrial
area,
you
know
that
I
I
just
have
a
really
hard
time,
keeping
it
all
gray
and
and
brick
when
there's
you
know
an
option
to
put
vegetation
on
the
table,
especially
one
right
up
the
street
with
the
waterworks
projects,
which
is,
you
know,
heavily
reliant
on
vegetation.
F
I
also
I'm
really
struggling
with
this
gate
issue.
You
know
to
me:
it's
a
public,
not
a
public
right
away.
It's
it's
private!
I
I
understand
that
that
that
it
is
a
long
block
I
I
can
actually
see
it
from
my
I'm
actually
looking
at
it
from
my
apartment.
It
is
a
long
block,
but
it's
that
alley
is
not
ada
accessible.
F
It
discharges
it
would
discharge
people
into
a
private
parking
lot
and
then
even
beyond
the
parking
lot,
there's
not
an
intersection
or
crosswalk
for
people
to
safely
cross.
They
would
be
better,
I
believe,
directed
to
the
next
street
up
or
crossing
at
chicago
where
the
ramps
are
located.
So
you
know
I'm
really
struggling
with
that
and
I'm
wondering
if
there's
maybe
some
area
for
compromise
with
the
gates.
F
If
we,
you
know,
if
allow
the
gate
but
change
the
gate,
to
make
it
more
aesthetically,
pleasing
and
and
fit
with
the
neighborhood
or
with
that
block,
you
know
I
would
be
open
to
to
hearing
about
that.
But
those
are
really
the
two
sticking
points
that
I'm
kind
of
struggling
with
with
the
staff.
So
but
I'd
like
to
hear
what
other
commissioners,
what
their
thoughts
are
too.
J
Thank
you,
commissioner
johnson,
and
while
I
wait
for
others
to
gain
their
desire
to
speak,
I
I
I
am
struggling
with
the
same
things
that
you
are.
I
agree
wholeheartedly
with
staff
on
the
the
portals
I
don't
feel
like
those
are
in
keeping
with
the
district,
but
the
the
gate
I
think
is,
for
the
reasons
you've
already
explained
is
something
that
is
possible.
I
specifically
asked
about
the
basket
weave
because
I
just
don't
I
don't
see
basket
weave
in
our
district.
J
J
J
A
Was
just
going
to
kind
of
agree
with
you
guys
and
you
both
said
things
that
I
very
much
so
agree
with.
I
am
having
a
hard
time
saying
no
to
some
type
of
gate
to
the
residents
there
as
well.
I
also
feel
that
some
type
of
green
space
is
helpful
in
like
a
residential
area,
so
I
understand
kind
of
cutting
it
down,
though,
as
you
were
saying
vice
chair
howard,
in
terms
of
it
not
looking
like
volunteer,
but
I
I
agree
also
with
the
portals.
A
I
I'm
not
a
fan
of
those
big
portals
that
kind
of
as
you're
walking
in
across
stone
arches.
Commissioner
johnson
was
saying
you
see
those
buildings
and
I
feel
like
those
would
be
just
very,
very
visible
and
kind
of
break
up
kind
of
the
historic
feel
of
that
area.
So
I
don't
agree
with
the
portals,
but
I
am
leaning
more
towards
wanting
to
figure
out
a
way
to
make
the
gate
and
some
type
of
vegetation
work.
A
J
Thank
you,
commissioner
nystrom
I
just
want
to
mention.
Dr
simone
did
mention
that
there
were.
There
were
two
different
conditions
related
to
the
fencing
one
that
would
allow
the
staff
to
work
on
fencing
design,
and
I
believe
that
that
was
condition
six.
So
if
we
were
to
strike
you
know
the
idea
of
denying
fencing
entirely
that
is
still
in
there.
J
Any
other
commissioners
have
thoughts
on
this
and
I'd
especially
be
interested
in
your
thoughts
on
the
the
vegetation
and,
if
there's
a
way
that
we
can
look
at
that
condition,
dr
smalley
seems
to
suggest
that
we
could.
We
could
adjust
that
a
little
bit,
commissioner,
sam
boltz.
I
Hi
thanks,
commissioner
howard
yeah.
I
I'm
struggling
with
some
of
the
same
things
that
I
think
a
lot
of
people
are,
but
I
I
think
john
smalley
did
a
wonderful
job
of
putting
together
some
really
good,
some,
some
really
good
conditions
and
some
really
good
language
here.
That
gives
us
some
pretty
easy
options.
I
I
I
I
know
it's
been
said
that
it
would
be
open
during
the
day
so
that
daytime
traffic
can
go
through,
and
I
really
hope
that
if
we
approve
this
gate
that
you
would
stick
to
that
promise,
because
I
I
think
it
is
really
important
to
the
neighborhood,
and
I
believe
that
the
designs
that
you've
proposed
are
really
a
good
design
solution
to
making
it
feel
more
private
and
to
making
it
fear
feel
less
like
a
place
that
you
want
to
invade
and
someplace.
I
That's
that's
residential
in
nature,
so
I
would
agree
with
most
of
the
the
conditions
that
that
john
has
laid
out
for
us
here.
I
think
I
think
I'm
on
board
with
this
striking
number
four
and
then
going
ahead
with
the
number
six
instead
to
have
the
gates
match.
I
I
As
far
as
the
area
of
planting
I
I
do
think
that
75
is
a
little
aggressive,
but
I
would
say
I
feel
comfortable
with
something
like
a
reduction
of
25
to
50
percent.
So
I
would
like
to
hear
other
commissioner's
thoughts
on
that.
I'm
I'm
kind
of
leaning
to
a
reduction
of
about
25,
just
that
just
kind
of
take
it
back
a
little
bit
from
where,
where
they've
shown
it,
but
would
love
to
hear
other
commissioner's
thoughts
on
on
that
percentage,
especially.
J
G
G
Commissioner
sandbolt's
25
reduction,
and
my
only
reason
for
that
is
that,
in
your
point,
commissioner,
howard
of
the
the
second
street
side,
not
necessarily
appearing
as
voluntary
as
the
rest
of
it,
and
maybe
that
gives
them
some
more
freedom
to
make
those
changes,
because
I'm
also
not
sure
I'm
familiar
with
not
as
familiar
with
the
rest
of
the
block.
But
I
don't
know
how
much
vegetation
is
on
that
side
of
the
block
as
well
in
the
rest
of
the
district.
G
So
and
then
in
terms
of
the
the
gate
and
the
portals.
I
would
also
support
striking
the
I
believe,
number
four
and
going
with
the
number
six
with
in
terms
of
providing
some
safety
for
them
in
terms
of
their
public
property.
There's
no
public,
easement
or
anything.
And
I,
while
I
hesitate
to
limit
it
limit
that
access.
J
J
I
J
Okay,
thank
you.
Is
there
a
second
once
in
seconds?
Thank
you,
commissioner
johnson,
and
let
me
just
make
sure
that
rachel
were
you
able
to
get
that
motion
or
do
you
need
anything
restated.
J
You
very
much
okay,
any
further
discussion
on
this
item.
D
Sorry,
I'm
being
blinded
at
the
moment.
That's
awesome,
commissioner,
and
stain
commissioner
booty.
E
E
C
Thank
you,
commissioner
howard.
That
concludes
our
public
hearing
items
for
tonight.
Do
commissioners
or
staff
have
any
announcements
or
new
commission
business
to
discuss
andrea?
Do
you
have
any
announcements?
Yes,.
R
Yes,
thank
you
sure.
I
just
have
one
announcement
just
saying
that
this
afternoon,
at
the
business
inspections,
housing
and
zoning
committee,
the
item
that
was
on
the
previous
hpc
agenda,
the
como
avenue
church
designation,
which
was
denied
in
june,
was
also
denied
on
consent
at
the
biz
committee
hearing.
So
that
will
then
go
to
city
council
or
final,
I
wouldn't
say,
approval
final
denial,
I
guess,
but
that
is
the
only
update
I
have
from
biz
committee
and
no
other
updates
at
this
time.
Thank
you.
J
Okay,
I
think
I
got
yep,
I'm
back
on
off
of
me.
Okay,
I
just
wanted
to
mention.
As
you
know,
I
I
work
with
the
national
alliance
of
preservation
commissions
on
doing
camp
and
they
have
a
call
for
session
proposals
out
for
their
big
conference.
That
is
every
two
years,
so
the
conference
will
be
next
july
in
ohio
in
cincinnati
and
it's
called
bridging
the
divide
and
they
have
a
call
for
session
proposals
out.
J
So
I
would
just
encourage
anyone
working
in
preservation
and
I'd
encourage
city
staff
as
well
to
think
about
whether
or
not
you
could
present
at
the
the
next
forum
it'll
be
pretty
exciting,
hoping
that
we
can
all
get
back
together
again
next
summer.
J
This
conference
is
a
great
way
to
see
what
other
commissions
are
doing
across
the
country
and
to
network
with
our
peers.
J
So
you
don't
feel
so
alone,
as
you
go
through
long
discussions
like
this,
you
can
maybe
learn
some
tips
and
and
see
what
other
people
are
dealing
with
in
other
parts
of
the
country.
So
that's
it
for
me.
C
I
think,
commissioner
howard,
I
know
we
both
attended
the
last
napc
thing
and
I
really
enjoyed
a
lot
of
the
talks,
so
I
would
I
would
agree
if
anybody
wants
to
put
forward
something
it
was
really
fun
to
attend
it.
Any
other
business
from
commissioners.