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From YouTube: September 14, 2021 Heritage Preservation Commission
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Additional information at
https://lims.minneapolismn.gov
B
B
This
meeting
includes
the
remote
participation
of
members
as
authorized
under
minnesota
statute,
section
13d
.021,
due
to
the
declared
local
health
pandemic
for
the
record,
my
name
is
madeleine
sundberg
and
I
serve
as
chair
of
the
minneapolis
heritage
preservation.
Commission.
I
will
now
call
this
meeting
to
order
and
ask
the
clerk
to
call
the
role,
so
we
may
verify
the
presence
of
a
quorum.
A
C
Nice
term
has
notified
us
that
you
will
not
be
joining
us
this
evening.
Commissioner,
sam
bolt
president.
C
Thank
you
for
bearing
with
me
through
that
commissioner
statey,
mr
strothers.
C
B
B
Our
first
order
of
business
is
to
adopt
the
agenda
for
this
meeting,
we'll
work
in
the
agendas
that
are
available
online.
I
will
go
through
the
agenda
and
sort
out
what
items
will
be
continued
to
a
future
meeting.
What
items
will
be
discussed
and
what
items
we
put
on
the
consent
agenda
to
be
approved,
as
recommended
by
staff
without
further
discussion.
B
B
B
B
A
C
B
Thank
you.
Let
the
record
reflect
the
agenda
is
approved.
Our
next
order
of
business
will
be
to
approve
the
minutes
from
our
august.
24Th
2021
meeting
may
have
a
motion
to
approve
those
minutes
so
move
this
is
howard.
Thank
you,
commissioner
howard.
Is
there
a
second
johnson
seconds?
Thank
you,
commissioner.
Johnson.
Any
discussion.
C
B
Thank
you.
The
minutes
are
approved
before
I
open
the
hearing
to
public
comments.
Let
me
summarize
the
process
for
conducting
the
public
hearing
in
this
virtual
format
process
will
be
as
follows.
First,
we
will
act
on
any
items
to
be
continued.
Then
we'll
take
each
remaining
agenda
item
in
order.
First,
the
planning
staff
will
present
its
report
and
commissioners
may
ask
questions
of
staff.
Then
we
will
hear
from
the
applicant
and
commissioners
may
ask
questions
of
the
applicant
after
that.
I
will
open
the
public
hearing
and
will
invite
public
comment.
B
B
B
So
our
first
item
is
item
number
five
2901
brookwood,
hair
ward,
13,
landmark
nomination.
This
item
was
recommended
to
be
continued
one
cycle
to
september
28th
2021
meeting
for
the
record.
The
number
the
plan
number
printed
in
the
agenda
was
incorrect.
It
should
be
one
three,
two,
five
nine,
and
so
I
would
like
to
check
to
make
sure
that
nobody
called
in
on
this
item
before
we
continue
it.
So
I
will
open
the
public
hearing
and
just
check
if
anyone
wishes
to
speak
for
against
this
application.
B
Okay,
it
doesn't
seem
like
anybody
has
called
in,
so
I
will
close
the
public
hearing
for
item
number
five,
and
can
I
get
a
motion
to
continue
this
item.
E
B
A
B
Thank
you
that
item
item
number
52901,
brookwood
tear,
is
continued
to
the
september
28th
meeting
of
the
hpc.
Our
next
item
item
number
four,
which
is
419
washington,
avenue,
north
ward,
3
certificate
of
appropriateness.
F
F
F
The
subject
building's
front
or
west
northwest
elevation
faces
fifth
avenue
north,
which
is
identified
as
a
freight
street
in
the
warehouse,
historic
district
design
guidelines,
the
south
or
southwest
elevation
at
3rd
street
north
is
classified
as
a
commercial
street,
while
a
bridge
historically
existed
to
span
3rd
street
north
across
the
adjacent
rail
corridor.
The
subject
section
of
3rd
street
north
now
dead
ends
at
that
rail
corridor,
which
currently
gives
the
section
a
feeling
of
a
freight
or
commercial
area.
F
The
subject
building
was
designed
and
approved,
as
I
stated
in
2017
with
freight
street,
which
is
again
the
fifth
avenue
north
side
orientation
rather
than
the
commercial
street,
which
is
the
third
third
street
north
next
slide.
Please
the
proposed
alterations
to
the
new
building
are
limited
to
the
addition
of
metal
canopies
to
shelter
the
main
entries
at
the
building's
primary
elevations
on
3rd
street
north,
which
is
south
again
and
5th
avenue
north,
which
is
west
a
new,
concrete
walkway
platform.
F
F
F
The
proposed
canopies
complement
the
fenestration
of
the
building
and
are
proposed
to
help
better
identify
existing
main
entries.
The
canopies
will
be
metal
and
will
be
of
similar
scale
and
materials
to
existing
canopies
in
the
warehouse,
historic
district
and
at
neighboring
properties,
while
the
canopies
will
be
located
a
maximum
of
27
feet
and
2
inches
from
sidewalk
grade
to
the
top
of
the
canopy.
F
The
placement
itself
is
consistent
with
the
already
existing
approved
large
two-story
entry
and
ground
floor
at
the
fifth
avenue
north
location,
and
it's
in
scale
and
character
with
the
large
opening
and
tall
ground
floor
which
accommodates
an
uneven
grade
at
the
property.
Next
slide.
Please
the
project
does
meet
the
guidelines
for
materials,
the
existing
principle
material
of
the
subject.
Building
is
brick.
F
F
Please
staff
understands
that
this
is
an
unusual
location
where
a
historic
commercial
street
no
longer
functions
in
the
same
way
as
it
originally
had
when
a
bridge
linked
third
street
north
at
this
location
over
the
adjacent
rail
corridor.
During
the
period
of
significance
for
the
district,
which
you
can
see
here
in
both
photos
and
the
photo
on
the
left.
F
Next
slide,
please,
and,
as
I
mentioned,
this
is
actually
the
original
site
plan
from
the
previous
approval,
the
certificate
of
appropriateness
plan
3388
for
the
new
construction
and
then,
if
you
go
to
the
next
slide
as
well,
please
thank
you
for
the
landscape
plan
showing
vegetation
at
this
elevation.
F
The
proposed
signs,
the
minneapolis
heritage
preservation,
commission
design,
guidelines
for
on-premise
signs
and
awnings
do
specify
that
canopy
signs
are
not
allowed,
which
is
being
proposed.
However,
the
hpc
has
recently
considered
and
approved
canopy
signs
that
are
thoughtful
and
intentioned
and
either
serve
a
historic
function
or
better
suit.
The
needs
of
a
particular
property,
the
subject
and
canopy
signs
are
appropriate.
Given
their
metal
materials,
their
internal
illumination,
their
size
is
compatible
with
the
proposed
new
canopies
and
the
building
scale
and
they'll
serve
to
identify
the
pedestrian
access
areas
of
the
current
primary
elevation
entries.
F
B
I
don't
see
any
questions
at
this
time,
so
I
will
now
open
the
public
hearing
for
this
item.
I
believe
the
applicant
is
here
to
speak
if
you
could
press
star
six
on
your
phone
and
wait
to
hear
the
pre-recorded
message
to
activate
your
microphone
and
then
state
your
name
and
address
for
the
record.
I
have
john
slack,
followed
by
ryan
forrester
on
my
list,
but
if
you
would
like
to
switch
the
order
within
the
applicant
team,
that's
that's
fine.
Just
let
me
know
who's
speaking
first.
D
Hi,
this
is
john
slack
with
perkins
and
will.
D
D
Yes,
yes,
that's,
okay,
good
to
go.
Okay,
the
obviously
the
the
video
for
for
me
is
a
little
bit
slower,
but
I'll
I'll
try
to
try
to
navigate
through
that.
So
we
have
the
the
owner
kelly
lim
who's
with
crestlite,
and
we
also
have
david
wood
who's,
the
owners
rep
with
encodes
and
they
didn't
register.
So
they
were
actually
watching
this,
and
so,
unfortunately,
they
weren't
able
to
get
on
to
to
speak.
But
what
I'll
do
is
I'll
try
to
navigate
through
this
presentation
pretty
quickly?
D
And
then,
if
you
have
any
other
questions,
so
you
should
be
seeing
the
the
crestlite
capital
image
on
the
slideshow
and
and
chris
light
is
a
group
out
of
detroit
and
most
recently,
they've
made
some
investments
within
minneapolis,
including
a
river
place
in
northeast,
and
then
subsequently
the
parcel
that
we're
building
that
we're
talking
about
tonight
and
as
part
of
this
project
and
also
the
river
plates
project.
What
they're
doing
is
looking
to
to
create
tenant
improvements
and
then
most
specifically,
for
this
project.
D
D
D
The
next
slide
has
a
series
of
images,
there's
four
images
on
the
on
the
sheet
or
on
the
screen,
most
specifically
I'll
talk
to
the
the
furthest
right
image
on
the
top
row,
which
you
you
can
see
the
set
of
stairs
and
then
the
lower
image,
which
is
basically
the
street
frontage
building
frontage
along
fifth
avenue.
D
One
of
the
the
key
things
that
the
owner
ownership
group
wanted
to
look
at
was
the
entry
to
the
building
and,
as
you
can
see
in
the
street
frontage
image
the
image
along
the
bottom
of
the
screen.
There
are
some
great
challenges,
so
some
of
the
existing
grades
on
the
existing
public
sidewalk
are
greater
than
five
percent
and
then
once
you
get
down
to
the
main
entrance
of
the
building,
which
is
pretty
nondescript,
the
main
entrance
sets
back
from
the
from
the
property
line.
D
So
so
it's
somewhat
nondescript
and
and
becomes
somewhat
challenging
as
it
relates
to
access,
as
well
as
water
penetration
from
not
only
from
the
street
but
also
from
rain.
And
then,
if
you
look
at
the
image
in
the
upper
right
hand,
corner
you're
seeing
one
of
those
steps.
So
that's
the
steps,
that's
on
the
right
side
of
of
the
entry,
so
it's
the
second
column
set
of
columns
and
you
can
see
that
there
are
some
challenges
with
the
grade
through
there.
D
I
think
it's
about
a
little
over
five
percent,
so
you
can
see
that
there
are
some
half
steps
or
steps
that
sort
of
work
into
the
grade
and
a
previous
owner
had
to
do
some.
Some
modifications
to
the
step,
including
painting
the
steps
to
be
able
to
ensure
that
the
steps
were
in
a
tripping
hazard.
So
that
was
definitely
one
thing
that
the
new
ownership
group
wanted
to
look
at.
D
The
second
thing
is
that,
with
the
grade,
the
sidewalk,
through
this
section,
actually
slopes
back
to
the
building
and
then
the
fact
that
the
the
building
opening
is
is
so
wide
there's
a
lot
of
water
that
gets
into
that
interior
space,
the
interior
entry
space.
So
there's
a
lot
of
challenges
with
ice
in
the
winter.
D
Obviously,
there's
challenges
with
rain
coming
in
to
the
space
and
after
a
rain
storm
there's,
usually
some
standing
water
down
in
that
lower
area
before
you
enter
into
the
building,
and
so
that
was
one
of
the
key
drivers
for
for
wanting
us
to
look
at
how
we
can
modify
the
entry
to
make
it
better
that
including
just
really
highlighting
the
entry,
I
think
as
a
pedestrian
or
somebody
in
the
vehicle.
It's
it's
really
hard
to
to
drive
past
this
building
and
really
see
where
the
entry
is.
D
Next
slide
has
five
images.
You
know
part
of
this
project
we're
also
looking
at
roof
modifications
which
are
part
of
the
application
next
slide,
which
is
slide.
Six
just
shows
a
3d,
expanded
view
of
the
building
and
essentially
all
the
projects
that
we're
working
on
currently
within
the
building.
So
there's
the
roof
at
the
very
top.
There's
multiple
floor
related
improvements,
and
then
you
have
the
main
entrance
at
the
bottom
and
then
the
next
slide
slide.
Seven.
D
I
don't
know
if
the
youtube
will
catch
up,
but
maybe
not
so
I'll.
Just
keep
talking
so
slide.
Seven
is
just
a
view
of
our
design
solution
for
that
primary
entrance,
and
so,
in
addition
to
the
canopy
as
a
way
to
sort
of
highlight
the
entry
to
the
building,
there
was
a
decision
made
to
look
at
creating
some
structure
or
some
way
of
improving,
not
only
the
slope
of
the
sidewalk
but
then
also
the
entrance
into
that
lower
part
of
the
building
that
accesses
the
front
door.
D
D
We
will
eliminate
the
the
slopes
that
are
greater
than
five
percent
will
actually
also
pitch
the
sidewalk
back
towards
the
curb
which
currently
now
a
lot
of
that
actually
pitches
to
the
building
and
then
to
sort
of
create
a
an
area
that
is
truly
accessible.
We
designed
this
planter,
so
that's
what
you're,
seeing
in
the
image
on
the
right
side
of
the
image
at
the
entrance,
you
have
the
steps.
D
So
the
steps
are
designed
to
not
have
a
any
of
those
sort
of
weird
elevational
changes
and
then
at
the
bottom
of
the
image
you
see
that
there's
a
an
accessible
entrance.
We
also
wanted
to
try
to
minimize
the
impact
that
of
water
getting
into
the
space,
and
so
that
planter
also
does
that
so
not
only
with
the
pitching
of
the
sidewalk
we're
also
preventing
water
to
get
getting
into
that
lower
space
by
you
know
almost
two-thirds
and
as
a
way
to
also
highlight
the
entrance
to
the
building.
D
The
idea
came
out
of
creating
a
planter.
The
planter
obviously
will
be
seen
not
only
as
you're
walking
along
the
street
frontage,
but
then
also
the
main
lobby
on
the
inside.
The
building
looks
out
to
this,
and
so,
rather
than
just
kind
of
looking
out
to
a
blank
wall,
we
wanted
to
to
create
some
sort
of
interest,
not
only
during
the
summer,
but
also
in
the
winter,
with
some
color
and
texture
within
that
space.
D
If
you
go
to
the
next
slide,
you're
sort
of
seeing
the
straight
on
view
along
fifth
avenue
of
what
this
planter
looks
like.
So
the
planter
follows
the
street
grade,
we're
able
again
to
eliminate
the
five
percent
slopes
or
greater
than
five
percent
slopes
that
exist
along
fifth
avenue.
We
have
the
really
defined
stairway
entrance
on
the
right,
and
then
we
have
the
accessible
entrance
on
the
left.
D
If
you
go
to
the
to
the
last
slide,
slide
number
nine
based
on
staff
recommendations.
You
know
we're
really.
D
We
really
have
a
strong
desire
to
to
create
this
planter
for
the
for
some
of
the
reasons
that
I
mentioned,
but
this
last
image
on
slide
nine
represents
potentially
what
it
what
this
would
look
like
if
it
were
just
a
wall
as
a
way
to
not
only
pick
up
the
grade,
but
also
to
define
the
stairs
and
the
accessible
entrance
on
the
lower
part
of
the
building,
and
so
these
two
set
of
images
identify
what
that
wall
element
would
look
like.
D
D
D
We
have
some
other
slides
that
we
don't
need
to
go
through.
You
know,
specifically,
I
think,
as
as
part
of
this
presentation,
we
really
want
to
focus
on
staff's
point
number,
one
which
was
the
the
proposed
planters
and
the
fact
that
staff
recommends
not
approving
this
and
wanted
to
sort
of
get
some
feedback
from
the
from
the
commission
on
the
option
around
a
planter
versus
just
a
wall
in
that
space.
G
Oh,
I'm
sorry,
are
you
guys?
Are
you
able
to
hear
me.
G
Okay,
no
john
summarized
that
this
is
ryan
from
perkins
world
john
summarized
everything
perfectly.
So
I
have
nothing
to
add.
B
Okay,
now
that
we've
heard
from
the
applicant
I'd
like
to
check
to
make
sure
if
there's
anyone
else
who
is
called
in
wishing
to
speak
for
or
against
this
application
or
to
alter
staff
bindings,
there
aren't
any
other
pre-registered
speakers.
But
if
there's
anyone
else
in
the
queue,
if
you
could
press
star
six
on
your
phone,
wait
to
hear
the
message-
and
let
me
know
that
you
are
there.
D
I
will
add
real
quick
that
we
did
meet
with
the
neighborhood
association
last
month
and
presented
this
project
in
its
entirety.
So
we
presented
sort
of
improvements
within
the
building,
the
rooftop,
as
well
as
this
ground
level,
and
we
received
support
from
the
neighborhood
and
that
we
had
quite
a
bit
of
conversations
around
the
public
realm
and
the
opportunities
to
green
up
the
public
realm,
and
I
do
know
from
at
least
from
the
guidelines
that
that's
not
you
know,
a
primary
recommendation,
especially
for
fifth
avenue.
G
B
Well-
and
I
don't
see
anybody
else
calling
in
so
if
that
is
it
from
the
applicant's
team,
I
will
close
the
public
hearing.
I'd
like
the
record
to
reflect
the
commissioner's
state
is
now
present
and
opens
up
to
commissioner
discussion.
But
what
are
people's
feelings
on
the
planters
versus
the
wall?
I
get
the
functional
aspect
of
wanting
to
keep
water
out
of
the
the
entryway,
but
I'm
curious
what
what
other
commissioner's
feelings
are.
H
B
H
I
understand
that
the
guidelines
are
kind
of
intended
to.
You
know,
keep
the
kind
of
green
areas
to
a
minimum,
because
that
doesn't
really
fit
in
this
district.
So
I
think
you
know
large
lawns
and
large
areas
of
landscaping
aren't
appropriate.
H
However,
this
planter,
I
feel
like
is
small
enough
and
kind
of
you
know,
allows
for,
like
you
said,
a
different
sense
of
scale
and
designation
of
the
entry
I
feel
like
the
planter
is
kind
of
small
enough
that
I
I
think
it
would
be
okay,
but
I
want
to
hear
what
other
commissioners
think
as
well.
A
Yeah,
I
tend
to
agree
with
commissioner
sandbolt.
I
am
not
going
to
you
know,
belabor
a
a
couple
of
planners
on
a
freight
street
versus
a
commercial
street.
I
actually
think
that
any
anytime
somebody
developer
wants
to
put
plants
anywhere
in
the
city.
I
am
in
full
support
of
that.
Maybe
if
they
put
them
on
third
and
fifth
street,
would
be
great
but
yeah.
I
this
tends
not
to
bother
me
as
much
and
I
don't
mind
the
planters
on
one
fifth.
E
So
I
think
that
the
plantings
in
the
warehouse
district
is
tends
to
be
one
of
our
more
controversial
items
for
our
design
guidelines,
and
perhaps
it's
something
that
we
should
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
in
our
next
retreat.
I
mean,
I
agree
with
the
other
commissioner's
statements
that
this
is
fairly
subdued
feels
like
it
still
fits
within
within
the
context
of
the
area
today
and
the
way
it's
gone
today,
and
so
we
have
to
think.
E
I
think
we
have
to
think
more
broadly
about
about
what
we're
preserving
you
know
and
what
what
we're
chasing
there
from
a
historic
guideline
aspect
and
and
the
ways
that
the
whole
community
in
you
know
what
we
now
call
the
north
loop
has
changed
over
time
and
and
so
it's
a
little
tough
to
do
to
litigate
over
our
hpc
meetings.
E
Obviously-
and
I
think
probably
our
guidelines
aren't
specific
enough
to
allow
applicants
the
flexibility
to
add
green
space
and
and
green
entourage,
their
buildings
to
soften
some
of
the
kind
of
like
the
concrete
of
the
space.
Without
you
know,
creating
big,
like,
like
commissioner
samples
that,
like
big,
huge
front,
lawns
and
stuff
like
that,
that
would
be
inappropriate
to
the
historic
context
of
the
warehouse
district.
E
So
all
that
is
to
say
that
I
feel
comfortable
allowing
the
planters-
and
I
would
say,
as
far
as
legal
findings
go
the
mitigating
factors,
and
that
would
be
that
they
are
smaller
planters
that
they're
set
back
a
bit
and
closer
to
the
building,
and
it's
not
it's
not
in
my
opinion,
not
in
keeping
with
the
with
the
neighborhood
overall,
it's
still
a
concrete
planter
with
some
plants
on
the
top
of
it.
So
that's
why
I
feel
comfortable
allowing
it,
and
I
feel
that
those
are
those
are
sufficient
findings
for
that.
E
But
I
think
that
it's
worth
making
note
that
this
is
probably
something
we
should
talk
a
little
bit
more
at
length
about
about
potentially
amending
our
guidelines
to
be
a
little
bit
more
flexible.
Allow
this
a
little
bit
more
so
that
we
can.
You
know,
balance
these
two
things.
We
we
both
want
the
warehouse
district
to
feel
like
a
warehouse
district,
but
we
also
want
to
feel
like
a
welcoming
space
that
that
people
want
to
be
in,
and
plantings
often
can
do
that.
So
that's
my
two
cents.
I
I'd
like
to
just
second
particularly
what
commissioner
vandrick
just
said
a
couple
of
points.
One
being,
I
think
if
we
want
people
to
reuse
these
buildings-
and
I
realize
this
is
a
new
non-conforming
building,
but
if
we
want
them
to
be
used,
whether
offices
or
as
residences
or
whatever,
it
seems
to
me
that
we
need
to
be
attuned
to
the
fact
that
people
who
work
and
live
there
may
appreciate
certain
things
that
aren't
in
our
guidelines.
B
Thank
you,
commissioner
strothers.
I
think
the
commissioners
have
spoken
have
raised
some
good
points.
I
agree
that,
on
the
sense
of
the
scale
of
the
building
that
these
planters
are
relatively
small,
it's
not
the
same
thing
as
a
giant
lawn.
I
think
you
know
not
in
a
conditioned
sort
of
sense,
but
in
a
recommendation
sort
of
sense.
I
would
love
if
the
plantings,
I
think
we
often
use
the
word
or
like
what
is
it.
B
Naturalized
or
irregular
in
appearance
in
the
planters,
not
like
a
super
formal
thing,
something
that
gives
a
little
bit
more
of
the
the
feeling
of
plants
that
just
sprouted
up
in
the
warehouse
district
would
be
nice,
but
I
don't
feel
like
it's
a
necessary
condition
because
it
is
such
a
small
area.
I
also
appreciate
that
these
planters
have
a
functional
purpose
instead
of
being
purely
decorative.
I
guess
to
me
that
changes
it
a
little
bit
too,
but
these
are
a
functional
industrial
sort
of
item
that
just
happens
to
also
have
some
plants.
B
H
B
Thank
you,
commissioner.
Sandvolt.
Is
there
a
second
howard
seconds?
Thank
you,
commissioner.
Howard
I'd
like
to
check
with
staff
to
make
sure
that
you
feel
like
our
findings
and
discussion
are
clear
or
if
you
need
clarification
on
anything.
B
Thanks
rob
any
further
discussion.
H
C
A
A
B
Nays,
thank
you
that
motion
passes.
The
applicant
may
speak
to
staff
tomorrow
about
next
steps.
That
concludes
our
public
hearing
items
tonight.
Commissioners
or
staff.
Are
there
any
announcements
or
new
commission
business
to
discuss.