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A
This
meeting
includes
the
remote
participation
of
members
as
authorized
under
minnesota
statutes,
section
13d
point:
zero
21
due
to
the
declared
local
health
pandemic.
Please
keep
yourself
muted
when
you're,
not
speaking,
to
keep
the
meeting
on
schedule.
Please
wait
your
turn
to
speak
and
hold
questions
until
the
end
of
each
speaker's
presentation.
A
All
votes
during
an
online
meeting
must
be
taken
by
roll
call.
This
will
require
each
member
to
activate
their
microphone
to
give
their
vote
and
then
turn
their
mic
back
off.
Finally,
if
at
any
time
during
this
meeting,
you
require
technical
assistance,
please
contact
kim
for
help
at
kim
dot,
havey
h,
a
v
e
y
at
minneapolismnn.gov.
A
B
A
D
B
F
G
H
I
J
A
Present
and
I
guess,
go
ahead
and
announce
the
results.
B
Suzanne
savannah
hanson
present
jacqueline
zapita
here
all
right.
Thank
you.
C
B
A
So
if
you
haven't
guessed
this
already,
I
want
to
note
that
our
meeting
tonight
is
being
staffed
by
kim
havey
and
stacy
miller
of
the
city
sustainability
division.
So
thank
you
stacy
for
helping
out
there
for
for
a
few
moments
and
thank
you
for
taking
notes
today
now
before
we
dive
in.
I
would
like
to
give
an
opportunity
for
community
members
and
others
such
as
city
staff
and
presenters,
who
have
joined
us
today
to
unmute
themselves
and
briefly
introduce
yourself
with
your
name
and
organization
or
affiliation
as
applicable.
A
Thank
you
looking
forward
to
hearing
from
you
later,
we
already
heard
from
you
kim
so
we're
just
gonna
skip
you
for
now,
luke.
N
A
N
A
I'm
going
to
skip
that
for
now
trevor.
B
Missed
toya
lopez.
A
A
Okay,
with
that,
we
will
begin
and
proceed
to
our
agenda,
a
copy
of
which
was
posted
for
public
access
to
the
city's
legislative
information
management
system,
which
is
available
at
limbs,
dot.
A
Our
first
two
items
of
business
is
the
adoption
of
our
agenda
for
tonight's
meeting,
followed
by
the
acceptance
of
minutes
for
the
november
17th
meeting,
and
we
can
buy
can
combine
these
two
if
somebody
wants
to
make
a
motion
to
approve
both,
but
first
are
there
any
changes.
Folks
would
like
to
make
to
the
agenda
or
minutes.
A
I
don't
know
if
the
agenda
on
limbs
says
this,
but
the
version
that
I
got
from
you
yesterday
kim
it
says
that
our
next
meeting
is
going
to
be
on
january
26th
and
so
just
making
a
note
to
edit
that
to
say
that
our
meeting
is
going
to
be
january.
25Th.
I
A
No,
no
problem
at
all
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
stacy's
at
least
getting
the
names
down
is
there.
Anybody
who
wants
a
second.
A
K
I
A
B
B
F
P
I
O
B
A
A
Fantastic,
all
right
so
with
that.
A
Great
welcome
sean
thanks
for
letting
us
know
that
you're
on
our
first
item
on
the
agenda
is
the
reading
of
our
land
acknowledgment
statement.
So
as
we
meet
here
today,
we
are
reminded
that
minneapolis
is
situated
on
the
homelands
of
the
dakota
people,
an
area
that
is
steeped
in
rich
indigenous
history.
It
is
home
to
indigenous
people
from
more
than
30
different
nations.
A
As
a
city,
we
have
a
responsibility
to
care
for
the
land
on
which
we
live
and
work
and
all
its
natural
surroundings.
This
stewardship
is
an
integral
part
of
our
involvement
in
this
commission
and
we
honor
it.
As
we
begin
our
meeting,
I'm
now
going
to
open
up
this
space
to
discuss
ways
in
which
we
can
support
indigenous
people
in
our
community.
So
if
you
know
of
any
events
or
things
that
are
happening,
that
we
should
be
aware
of
feel
free
to
raise
your
hand
or
just
start
speaking,.
A
Okay
with
that,
our
first
presentation
today
will
be
from
joe
damil
from
fresh
energy
trevor
drake
from
great
plains,
institute
and
audrey
partridge
from
the
center
for
energy
and
environment,
to
discuss
the
g21
report
and
the
future
of
fossil
gas.
So
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
turn
it
on
over
to
them.
M
Great,
thank
you,
cherny,
huff
and
kim.
I
I
think,
it'll
work.
If
I
just
share
my
screen,
my
presentation.
M
Well,
I
just
wanted
to
thank
everyone
for
being
here
and
just
wanted
to
note
as
well,
that
I'll
be
doing
the
first
half
of
the
presentation
and
then
trevor
and
audrey
will
be
doing
the
second
half
and
we
didn't
plan
this
ahead
of
time,
but
so
there
might
be
a
little
bit
of
overlap,
but
I
think
I'm
going
to
be
covering
kind
of
why
we're
here,
while
we're
talking
about
the
future
of
gas
and
and
trevor
and
odds
you're,
going
to
talk
about
an
initiative
and
a
report
that
came
out
on
pathways
to
get
to
that
future.
M
That
was
conducted
over
the
past
couple
years,
so
all
get
right
into
it
again.
My
name
is
joe
damel,
I'm
the
director
of
gas
decarbonization
at
fresh
energy
and
a
little
bit
about
our
organization.
M
You
know:
we've
been
around
for
almost
30
years
and
primarily
work
in
the
space
of
energy
and
climate
solutions,
and
a
lot
of
that
work
gets
done
at
the
public
utilities
commission,
but
we
have
a
really
wide
range
of
activities
that
you
know.
We
work
a
lot
at
the
legislature,
so
anna
johnson
is
one
of
our
key
staff.
M
Members
who
works
at
the
legislature
a
lot
we
have
folks
working
in
clean
electricity,
we
have
a
communications
department
and
then
an
energy
news
network
kind
of
journalism
as
arm
of
it,
and
then
we
also
have
an
energy
access
and
equity
group.
M
That
interfaces
with
a
wide
range
of
you
know
pretty
much
everyone
in
the
at
the
organization
and
we're
about
30
staff
large
right
now
in
2021,
and
you
know
we're
working
on
a
lot
of
really
interesting
things
and,
in
my
opinion,
so
why
are
we
here?
M
Why
are
we
talking
about
fossil
gas
and-
and
I
guess
one
thing
that
struck
me-
I
was
walking
down
my
neighborhood
a
little
while
ago
and
and
the
thought
occurred
to
me
that
you
know
every
single
house
and
every
single
building,
certainly
in
minneapolis
and
saint
paul,
has
a
gas
line.
You
know
running
under
the
street
and
up
to
the
building.
So
it's
something
that
we
don't
really
think
about
too
often,
but
there's
some
really.
M
And
I
think
it
speaks
to
the
problem
that
we're
having
in
in
the
state
and
across
the
country
really
where
we're
really
starting
to
decarbonize
the
electric
system
and
that's
great,
and
we
have
made
significant
progress
and
have
a
lot
of
work
left
to
do
in
that
space.
But
if
we
don't
address
the
natural
or
fossil
gas
sector,
you
know
we're
still.
Gonna
have
we're
still
not
gonna
meet
our
greenhouse
gas
reduction
goals
for
the
state
or
for
the
country.
So
I
think
this
trend
line
brings
together.
M
You
know
three
really
important
sectors:
the
natural
gas
world
system-
and
I
think
just
is
a
good
in
illustration
of
the
scope
of
the
of
the
problem
and
the
direction
that
we're
we're,
headed
as
a
state.
M
I
recently
came
across
the
1980-something
report
that
was
done
by
a
utility
executive
on
the
health
impacts
of
of
burning
fossil
gas
in
homes,
and
I
think
the
the
evidence
that
the
evidence
of
the
health
impacts
has
only
grown
stronger
in
in
recent
years,
as
we
really
get
a
handle
on
indoor
air
quality
or
start
to
so.
The
second
reason
why
we
care
about
fossil
gas.
M
The
third
reason
is
infrastructure.
Like
I
mentioned
before
the.
If
you
think
about
all
of
the
pipes
in
the
ground,
you
might
have
seen
some
construction
of
a
new
pipe
being
installed
in
your
neighborhood
or
on
your
commute
to
work
or
school,
and
you
know
it's
it's.
Maybe
no!
M
It's
not
your
eyes
deceiving
you.
There
really
is,
has
been
an
influx
in
us
distribution,
system,
expenditures
or
capital
expenditures
over
the
past
10
or
15
years,
and
this
is
a
national
look
and
you
can
see
that
it's
roughly
15
billion
dollars
a
year
and
that's
you
know
even
a
little
bit
outdated
at
this
point,
we'll
look
to
minnesota.
M
You
know
replace
meters
activities
that
the
utility
does
to
keep
the
system
safe
and
reliable,
and
you
can
see
just
the
very
similar
trend
line
in
the
just
the
the
sheer
amount
of
investment
and
the
company
is
projecting
in
the
out
years.
You
know
2023
2024
to
be
you
know
in
the
300
million
dollar
range
for
capital
investment,
and
you
know
that
puts
upward
pressure
on
rates.
M
So
you
may
have
heard
center
point
is
in
for
another
raid
case
that
was
just
filed
in
november
and
I
think
they've
been
filing
every
other
year
since
about
2010.,
as
you
can
see
on
the
graph
there,
that
the
capital
investment
is
is
resulting
in
rate
cases
and
rate
increases,
and
I
think
the
other
thing
to
think
about
that
is
just
the
future
impact
of
all
this
investment
in
our
system.
M
It's
definitely
important
to
have
a
safe
and
reliable
gas
system,
but
we
also
have
to
think
about
the
future
and
any
investment
that
is
still
remaining
in
the
future.
If
we
transition
away
from
the
fossil
gas
system-
or
it
gets
a
lot
smaller,
you
know
that
will
be
reflected
in
rates
in
the
future
and
it'll
be
a
stranded
asset.
So
we
really
need
to
be
smart
about
the
investments
we
make
today
because
they're
going
to
have
impacts
over
the
next
30
40
50
years.
M
So
we
want
to
get
a
handle
on
that
and
really
rethink
our
investment
in
fossil
infrastructure,
fossil
gas
infrastructure
and
then
the
the
fourth
and
final
point
is
this
price
volatility.
I
think
you
know
we've
heard
a
lot
about
the
impacts
of
the
tropical
storm
or
winter
storm
yuri
last
february,
and
you
know
the
the
huge
absurd
surge
in
price
of
natural
gas
that
occurred.
M
Because
of
that
and
then
you
know,
we've
also
heard
about
the
projections
of
you
know
much
higher
gas
prices
headed
into
the
winter,
and
so
I
think
it
just
underscores
the
volatility
of
this
fuel
that
you
know
really
has
an
impact
on
the
energy
burden
that
that
many
households
face,
and
I
think
it
it
should
cause
us
to
rethink
how
much
we're
putting
into
relying
upon
such
a
volatile
fuel.
M
So
really
quickly
on
ngia
and
that's
the
natural
gas
innovation
act
that
passed
in
earlier
in
2021,
and
that
really
has
two
components
in
terms
of
what
happens
at
the
public
utilities.
Commission
one
is
that
they're
going
to
open
a
future
of
gas
proceeding
and
that
stock
at
21
565
that's
been
opened,
but
it
hasn't
begun.
Yet
we
don't
really
know
when
that
will
start.
My
best
guess
will
be
sometime
in
the
first
half
of
2022
and
that's
going
to
really
be
an
investigatory
docket.
M
Looking
at
these
big
picture
questions
that
I've
brought
up
today
about
the
future
of
of
fossil
gas
and
how
we
can
rethink
gas
utility
business
models,
and
so
that
that'll
be
something
where
the
public
can
be
involved
in.
M
There's
gonna
be
common
periods
and
probably
some
hearings,
and
you
know
we
think
that's
a
really
good
venue
to
really
look
at
these
big
picture
questions
and
then
the
the
other
docket
that
ngio
ngia
opens
up
is
is
the
ability
for
utilities
to
file
plans
for
certain
innovative
resources,
including
electrification,
energy
efficiency,
renewable
natural
gas
and
right
now,
trevor
audrey
and
I
and
a
group
of
stakeholders
and
utilities
are
working
on
figuring
out
the
best
way
to
measure
or
the
rules
of
the
road,
essentially
to
figure
out
how
we
can
assess
those
plans
and
that's
happening
both
at
the
commission
and
at
a
public
stakeholder
meeting
series
that
trevor
and
the
great
plains
institute
is
leading.
M
And
so
you
know
those
are
the
kind
of
the
two
big
public
utilities
commission
dockets
that
that
fresh
energy
is
being
involved
in
at
the
moment.
Here's
just
an
overview
of
our
approach
on
the
future
of
fossil
gas
and
our
gas
decarbonization
program.
You
know,
as
I
mentioned,
there
are
openings
at
the
public
utilities
commission
to
take
action
to
make
policy
change.
We
want
to
incorporate
better
planning
for
utilities.
M
So
we
understand
why
they're,
making
these
investments
and
to
make
sure
they're
prudent,
we
want
to
you,
know,
start
looking
at
halting
the
expansion
of
our
gas
system.
You
know
because,
like
I
said
the
more
we
put
into
the
ground,
the
harder
and
more
expensive
it's
going
to
be
to
transition
away
from
it
in
the
future.
M
We
want
to
be
really
diligent
about
looking
at
solutions
from
utilities
to
make
sure
that
you
know
they're
really
heavily
scrutinized
and
in
the
best
interest
of
the
public,
and
then
you
know
the
last
two
are
really
important.
We
want
to
protect
ratepayers
from
the
transition,
both
in
terms
of
you
know,.
B
M
Know
the
opportunity
to
have
alternative
resources
and
also
just
the
bill
impact,
and
then
we
also
want
to
lead
an
equity
centered
campaign,
and
I
think
that
that
means
bringing
people
and
groups
into
in
communities
into
the
public
utilities
commission
process
and
and
really
give
them
a
give
a
platform
to
really
shape
the
the
policies
that
the
public
achilles
commission
approves
for
utilities.
M
A
O
Thanks
well
thanks
for
having
us,
I'm
trevor,
drake
again
with
the
great
plains
institute,
I'm
here
with
audrey
partridge
of
the
center
for
energy
and
environment.
We're
here
to
present
to
you
all
on
a
stakehold
stakeholder
process.
We
co-convened
focus
on
decarbonizing
minnesota's
natural
gas
end
uses
we're
going
to
stay
pretty
high
level
today.
So
if
you
would
like
additional
detail,
there's
a
huge
report
and
it
is
linked
at
the
bottom
of
the
slide.
O
O
We're
going
to
focus
on
the
on
the
technical
issues
today
and
some
of
the
recommendations,
but
we
just
want
to
mention
this
whole
set
of
issues
will
have
implications
for
workers,
customers
and
communities,
and
the
report
discusses
a
lot
of
that
in
more
detail.
So
if
you
don't
hear
us
talk
a
lot
about
equity,
affordability
and
workers,
just
know
that
those
things
were
top
of
mind
for
the
stakeholder
group
and
they'll
all
be
a
critical
part
of
the
conversation
and
the
work
going
forward.
K
K
As
you
all
know,
the
ipcc
estimates
that
the
clim
that
the
planet
today
is
about
one
degree
celsius
or
actually
a
little
more
than
one
degree
celsius
warmer
than
before
the
industrial
revolution
at
that
level
of
warming,
we're
already
seeing
the
devastating
effects
of
climate
change,
and
we
know
that
those
will
increase
over
time
as
the
planet
continues
to
warm.
K
K
K
K
So
seeing
this
this
striking
figure
and
our
understanding
of
the
complexities
of
dealing
with
natural
gas
in
minnesota,
we
decided
to
pull
people
together
and
to
start
focusing
our
attention
on
natural
gas
emissions
in
buildings
and
industry,
and
that
is
why
we
convened
the
stakeholder
process.
That
trevor
will
discuss
next.
O
Great,
so
just
briefly
about
the
process,
as
you
can
see
here,
the
the
project
benefited
from
a
mix
of
different
perspectives,
including
gas
and
electric
utilities,
clean
energy
advocates
and
implementers
labor
advocates
state
government
agencies
and
local
governments,
and
the
process
was
also
guided
by
an
advisory
committee
made
up
of
the
city
of
minneapolis,
fresh
energy
center
point
energy
and
excel
energy,
and
it
was
an
in-depth
process.
So
we
brought
these
folks
together
for
15
stakeholder
meetings
over
18
months
and
each
of
those
meetings
was
nearly
a
full
day
in
length.
O
We
did
drive
to
consensus
for
the
recommendations
which
are
listed
in
the
report
and
we'll
touch
on
a
few
of
them
at
the
end
and
also
a
set
of
overall
guiding
principles.
We're
not
going
to
cover
those
today
but
they're
listed
in
the
report,
and
they
do
speak
to
things
like
affordability
and
equity.
O
O
All
right,
so
I
said
before
the
group
worked
with
e3
to
design
three
decarbonization
scenarios.
Here
they
are
so
the
group
ultimately
picked
two
bookend
scenarios
that
take
two
really
different
paths
to
decarbonization
and
then
a
third
scenario.
That's
sort
of
a
hybrid
of
the
book
ends
on
the
left.
The
high
decarbonized
gas
scenario
primarily
heats
buildings
in
2050,
with
decarbonized
forms
of
gas
and
then
fuels
industry
with
green
hydrogen
on
the
right.
O
The
high
electrification
scenario
primarily
heats
buildings
with
electric
heat
pumps,
using
electric
resistance
for
backup
during
the
coldest
hours
and
industries
fueled
by
a
mix
of
electricity
and
decarbonized
gas,
essentially
electrifying,
where
technically
possible,
and
then
in
the
middle.
The
electrification
with
gas
backup
scenario
heats
buildings
primarily
with
electric
heat
pumps,
but
it
uses
decarbonized
gaseous
fuels
in
the
coldest
hours
of
the
year.
O
K
So
here
you
see
that
for
each
of
our
modeled
scenarios,
overall
energy
consumption
actually
decreases
over
time
and
again
that
illustrates
the
important
role
of
energy
efficiency
in
our
modeling,
as
trevor
showed.
On
the
last
slide,
we
assumed
aggressive
energy
efficiency
for
all
three
scenarios
and
that
included
a
lot
of
efficiency
for
building
shells
for
out.
Excuse
me
for
all
buildings
by
2050.,
the
electrification
with
gas
backup
and
the
high
electrification
scenarios
include
additional
efficiencies
associated
with
fuel
switching
to
electricity.
K
So
we
found
that
energy
efficiency
reduces
the
costs,
as
well
as
the
technical
challenges
of
decarbonization.
In
all
the
scenarios
we
modeled
and
importantly,
the
stakeholder
group
decided
that
increased
efficiency
has
clear
benefits,
regardless
of
what
path
minnesota
ultimately
takes
toward
decarbonization
of
natural
gas
and
uses.
O
O
O
Those
fuels
are
renewable
natural
gas
in
dark,
green
synthetic
methane
in
light,
green
and
hydrogen
in
blue.
All
scenarios
also
include
a
small
amount
of
hydrogen
blended
into
the
gas
system,
which
is
not
shown
here
and
just
looking
at
the
high
decarbonized
gas
bar
for
a
moment.
I'll
mention
that
the
stakeholder
group
chose
to
include
dedicated
hydrogen
for
industry
in
only
that
scenario.
So
that's
why
hydrogen
is
showing
up
so
prominently
in
that
one
and
that
entire
blue
box
represents
the
thermal
needs
of
industry
that
would
have
been
served
by
natural
gas.
K
Next
slide,
please
here
you
can
see
the
total
incremental
electric
system
costs
in
2050
for
each
scenario
shown
relative
to
our
reference
case.
Increased
electric
loads,
of
course,
drive
up
electric
system
cost
and
that's
primarily
to
meet
that
additional
winter
peak
capacity
that
we
just
looked
at.
So
as
you
can
see,
our
modeling
shows
that
pairing
electric
heat
pumps
with
gas,
backup
heating
sources
can
significantly
reduce
electric
system
costs
compared
to
the
high
electrification
scenario
by
mitigating
that
increase
in
peak
load.
O
So
here
we
pull
back
to
the
big
picture,
cost
implications
of
our
three
scenarios.
These
graphs
show
how
much
more
money
we'd
be
spending
in
the
year
2050
compared
to
the
reference
case.
Given
the
high
uncertainty
around
future
costs
of
gaseous
fuels,
we
included
a
high
and
low
sensitivity
for
gas
costs,
so
in
each
pair
of
bars,
under
each
scenario,
you've
got
high
gas
costs
on
the
left
and
low
gas
costs
on
the
right
and
I'll
just
remind
folks,
when
I
say
gas
I
mean
the
decarbonized
forms
of
gaseous
fuels.
O
So
looking
first
at
the
high
gas
cost
bars,
the
electrification
with
gas
backup
scenario
is
the
most
affordable,
while
the
high
decarbonized
gas
scenario
is
the
most
expensive
and
then
looking
at
lower
gas
costs,
the
electrification
with
gas
backup
and
the
high
decarbonized
gas
scenarios
would
tie
for
most
affordable.
While
the
high
electrification
scenario
would
be
most
expensive.
K
So
now
for
the
most
important
outcome
of
the
process:
the
recommendations
of
the
stakeholder
group.
So
the
group
developed
25,
different
consensus,
recommendations
categorized
by
cross
cutting,
meaning
that
the
recommendation
was
pertinent
across
all
sectors
and
many
actors:
large
commercial
and
industrial
customer
recommendations,
workforce
recommendations,
residential
and
small
business
recommendations
and,
finally,
utility
and
regulatory
recommendations.
O
O
So,
first,
the
group
recommends
broad
attention
to
equity,
as
well
as
education
and
awareness
of
addressing
gas
use
for
decarbonization
and
then
third
here
the
group
recommends
greater
greater
exploration
of
how
district
energy
systems
might
play
a
role
in
this.
So
this
technology
could
be
a
helpful
tool
in
residential
applications
as
well
as
commercial
and
industrial.
K
And
here
are
the
group's
recommendations.
Excuse
me
for
the
residential
and
small
business
sectors.
The
group
found
that
we
already
have
some
known
tools
and
technologies
that
can
help
us
to
decarbonize
this
sector
and
namely
heat
pumps
and
efficiency.
So
these
recommendations
focus
a
lot
on
increased
building
shell
efficiency
specifically
and
heat
pump
deployment.
K
O
A
Thank
you
trevor.
I
guess
a
question
that
I
have
is
like
what
could
ciac
do
to
help
with
pushing
for
those
recommendations?
As
far
as
like
the
city
of
minneapolis
goes.
O
Let
me
take
it
then,
or
at
least
start
with,
and
so
for
things
the
city
can
do
I
mean
there
are?
There
are
some
clear
near-term
actions
and
one
of
those
is
heat
pumps
in
the
residential
sector,
so
audrey
touched
on
that.
I
think
also
paying
attention
to
equity
and
thinking
about
that
is
is
pretty
important
and
the
you
know
luke
is
here
and
has
been
pretty
involved
in
the
process.
It
may
have
kind
of
additional
ideas
of
things
that
the
city
is
working
on.
K
Yeah,
I
would
just
say
the
city
is
already
doing
quite
a
lot
to
help
support
these
recommendations.
Luke
was
a
member
of
the
advisory
committee
and
really
one
of
the
sort
of
helped
birth.
This
idea
with
us,
you
know
he
was
a
thought
leader
on
this.
I
think
the
clean
energy
partnership,
the
sustainability
office
I
mean
the
city
of
minneapolis-
is
really,
I
think,
working
to
help
advance
a
lot
of
these,
and
so
I
guess
one
thing
I'd
say
is
keep
up
the
good
work.
K
Stacy
is
a
great
advocate
at
the
puc,
so
that
would
be
my
message.
L
Yeah
thanks
thanks,
audrey
and
trevor
I'll,
just
add
yeah.
The
the
g21
report,
as
we
call
it
for
short
metal
process,
has
really
informed
a
lot
of
our
approach
now
to
the
clean
energy
partnership
that
I
work
on
and
really
everybody
in
our
sustainability
office
works
on
to
some
extent.
L
It's
helped
in
especially
the
modeling
has
been
very
helpful
in
thinking
through
what
future
path
city
is
interested
in,
in
particular,
the
city.
L
The
policy
makers
that
were
on
the
clean
energy
partnership
board
from
the
city
have
a
strong
preference
that
the
city
kind
of
pursue
programs
that
go
down
each
one
of
two
paths
that
would
be
either
the
high
electrification
path
or
the
electrification
with
gas
backup
path
and
not
the
decarbonized
gas
path,
considering
the
uncertainty
and
price
and
availability
of
those
gaseous
alternatives,
so
that
pr
coming
to
that
conclusion
was
the
result
of
seeing
what
came
out
of
the
g21
process
and
now
we're
using
that
preference
towards
some
significant
amount
of
electrification.
L
Whether
it's
near
total
or
a
majority
is
still
up
for
question,
but
we're
using
that
to
drive.
Then
what
are
the
next
energy
related
activities?
We
want
to
accomplish
in
the
clean
energy
partnership
over
the
next
two
years,
because
we're
currently
working
on
a
new
work
plan
for
that
additional.
Additionally,
it's
also
really
informed
a
lot
of
the
work
we
just
do
for
individual
energy
programs
in
our
office
and
we've
been
thinking
a
lot
more
about
what
are
some
electrification
measures
we
can
dip
bartow
into.
L
For
instance,
could
we
find
the
financial
resources
to
incentivize
replacing
gas
water
heaters
with
electric
heat
pump
water
heaters,
even
transitioning
gas
stoves
to
electric
stoves?
A
G
First,
have
you
considered
what
to
do
with
the
waste
when
you
do
the
transformation
from
the
gas
system
to
the
electrification,
because
I
know
you
cannot
change
gas
stoves
to
electric
but
electric
gas
and
if
we
don't
have
a
plan
for
the
stoves
or
whatever
systems
that
the
gas
use?
I
don't
know
the
pipes
and
all
that
stuff,
but
it
I
don't
want
to
create
it
to
create
another
graveyard
like
these
cars
we
have
also
with
the
construction
and
the
changing
of
the
systems.
O
I'll
maybe
say
on
the
appliances
piece:
we
didn't
talk
about
appliance
recycling
and
what
that
would
look
like
and
sort
of
the
transition.
So
that's
something
we
can
certainly
look
into.
I
mean
one
consideration
would
be
replacing
appliances
sort
of
that
end
of
life,
but
there's
a
question
about.
You
know
whether
that
would
be
fast
enough
on
the
on
the
trajectory
that
folks
would
like
to
see.
O
So
some
of
those
appliances
may
be,
you
know,
being
phased
out
because
they
need
to
be
replaced
anyway,
and
that
would
be
a
good
time
to
switch
them
over.
I
know
there
are
some
appliance
recycling
programs.
I
think
the
county
offers
those
and
then
I
didn't
actually
catch
your
last
question,
something
about
embodied
carbon,
but.
G
With
the
transformation
of
from
gas
to
electric
it's
going
to
create
increasing
in
body
carb,
you
know
when
you
do
things
besides
the
transportation
within,
so
I'm
just
wondering
has
that
been
considered
so
involved
in
body
car
sure.
K
I
can
take
this
one
trevor.
I
think
we
did
not
consider
embedded
emissions,
so
what
leslie
is
talking
about
for
those
who
maybe
haven't
heard
of
this?
It's
you
know
what
kinds
of
emissions
are
created
in
making
something
like
an
electric
air
source,
heat
pump
or
another
electric
piece
of
equipment,
or
maybe
other
types
of
technologies
that
we
looked
at
like
say,
insulation.
K
So
we
didn't
look
at
embedded
emissions.
I
think
there
may
be
a
conversation
about
that
in
the
greenhouse
gas
emission
or
greenhouse
gas
accounting
docket
for
the
natural
gas
innovation
act,
but
I
don't
expect
that
we
will
incorporate
embedded
emissions
there.
I
am
not
an
expert
on
embedded
emissions,
but
I
think
that
we
will
likely
stop
at
a
similar
boundary
that
we
stopped
at
with
the
g21
report,
and
that
is
we
will
look
at
the
fuel
cycle,
but
not
the
embedded
one-time
emissions
associated
with
equipment
or
infrastructure.
G
Thank
you,
but
I
kind
of
think,
because
if
it's
such
a
large
change
in
the
way
the
city
is
and
across
the
state,
even
the
united
states
is
something
that
needs
to
be
considered
when
we're
talking
about
de-carving
and
cutting
our
emissions,
because
that's
something
that
people
seem
to
forget
to
include
and
it
does
have
impact.
G
So
I'm
just
wondering,
even
though
you're
saying
that
it
might
be
something
that
maybe
not
you
audrey,
but
trevor
or
luke,
might
think
about
when
moving
forward
into
different
sectors
of
the
community
or
different
meetings,
and
this
topic
might
come
up.
Thank
you.
M
I
I
can
weigh
in
here
as
well.
You
know,
I
think
it's
it's
a
really
good
example
of
of
something
that
we
can
also
have
a
discussion
about.
You
know
before
the
commission
in
the
public
comment
process.
I
think
you
know
it's
it's
good
to
welcome.
M
You
know
a
lot
of
different
viewpoints
and
and,
and
you
know,
surface
issues
that
might
not
be
part
of
kind
of
a
stakeholder
process
or
or
what
have
you
so
yeah?
I
think
you
know
the
there's
the
what
audrey
was
talking
about
with
the
greenhouse
gas
in
accounting
framework
there's
a
common
period
that
will
be
open,
let's
open
now,
and
it
closes
february.
M
Mid
to
late
february,
I
can't
remember
the
exact
date,
but
it
I'll
put
a
link
in
the
in
the
chat,
and
you
know
I
think
the
commission,
the
public
utilities,
commissioner,
really
values
hearing
a
lot
of
different
perspectives,
and
if
you
see
something
that
you
know,
you
want
the
commission
to
look
at,
you
can
contact
fresh
energy,
but
you
can
also,
you
know,
participate
in
the
in
that
commission.
Public
helmet
process.
O
I'll,
maybe
just
add
one
more
thing
on
on
these
emissions
for
sort
of
manufacturing,
the
appliances
and
materials
and
pipes,
and
all
of
that
I
think
it's
a
fair
point
and
we've
got
some
work
looking
at
industrial
sector
decarbonization,
so
that's
another
way
to
approach
it.
I
mean
all
of
these
solutions
would
require
investments
in
infrastructure
and
that's
gonna.
You
know
some
of
that
manufacturing
will
cause
emissions,
so
we've
been
looking
at.
You
know:
how
can
industry
continue
to
manufacture
the
products
that
we
need
with
increasingly
lower
emissions.
A
P
You,
this
might
be
a
bit
of
an
offshoot
from
leslie's
question.
I'm
sorry
if
it's
outside
of
the
scope,
but
the
the
federal
infrastructure
bill-
and
you
know
the
department
of
energy
at
the
federal
level,
they've
been
pushing
for
sort
of
greater
electrification,
a
new
heat
pump
program
and
it
feels
like
it
might
be
out
of
sync
with
biden's
goal
of
kind
of
bringing
more
manufacturing
to
the
u.s.
P
K
Yeah,
we
did
not
look
at
that
for
this
process
or
for
the
modeling
that
we
conducted,
but
it
is
a
great
question
and
I
know
that
there
are
questions
not
only
around
sourcing
for
equipment
but
also
supply
chain
constraints
as
well.
So
I
think
that's
certainly
an
area
for
people
to
dig
into
next.
K
A
Audrey
anna,
as
the
last
question
before
we
need
to
move
on
to
our
next
presentation.
Q
Thanks
aaron
and
thanks
to
our
presenters
for
being
here,
I
really
appreciate
it.
I'm
just
thinking
about
like
because
we're
racing
right
now
against
the
clock
to
get
down
to
zero
emissions
and
our
buildings
are,
you
know,
they're,
built
to
last
a
long
time,
and
we
have
a
really
like
strong
infrastructure.
Q
Leslie
talked
about
the
pipes
that
are
like
built
into
our
buildings,
so
I'm
just
wondering
this
is
a
little
more
conceptual
esoteric
but
like
what
is
it
gonna?
What
should
it
feel
like?
Q
What
is
it
gonna
look
like
how
many
buildings
per
year
do
we
need
to
be
like
making
super
efficient
and
switching
off
of
natural
gas
in
minneapolis
and
in
the
state
in
order
to
meet
our
decarbonization
goals
like
how
fast
do
we
need
to
be
going
and
how
can,
if
you
have
any
thoughts
about
how
to
like
increase,
accelerate
that
momentum.
M
Yeah,
I
can
take
a
first
step
at
that.
I
think
you
know
what
trevor
has
on
the
screen.
You
know.
Efficiency
should
always
be
something
that
we
prioritize
and
and
put
as
much
money
toward
as
we
can,
and
I
think
you
know,
especially
that
can
be
a
tool
for
under-resourced
communities
and
and
individuals
to
you
know,
really
decrease
the
energy
burden.
So
I
think,
like
that's
like
a
just.
A
no
regrets
opportunity
is
to
go
all
in
on
efficiency.
M
I
think
in
terms
of
electrification,
electrifying
buildings,
it
has
to
happen
really
rapidly
and
I
think
you
know
there.
It
also
has
to
happen
strategically.
From
my
perspective,
you
know
we
can't
just
go
in
and
and
and
do
kind
of
a
random
or
sporadic
electrification
of
you
know
a
neighborhood,
for
example.
I
think
you
can
start
you
know,
maybe
with
making
the
cost
of
connecting
to
either
natural
gas
or
electricity
and
new
developments
more
evenly
realized
by
developers.
M
So
taking
away
some
of
the
incentives
that
are
built
in
to
build
out
the
natural
gas
system,
not
building
gas
in
the
first
place
infrastructure
in
the
first
place.
Is
you
know
a
really
low
hanging
fruit
that
I
think
we
should
look
at
and
then
I
think
you
really
have
to
be
thoughtful
about
looking
at
electric
infrastructure
and
gas
infrastructure.
M
So
if
you
have
a
neighborhood
that
is
due
for
a
gas
replacement,
look
at
you
know,
have
the
ability
to
overlay
the
electric
system
and
if
they
have
room
on
that
system
of
feeders
and
that
part
of
the
distribution
system
maybe
think
about
targeting
that
neighborhood
for
electrification,
because
then
you're,
you
know
you
wouldn't
you're
facing
an
end
of
life.
For
the
you
know,
gas
infrastructure
that's
in
place
and
you
have
an
opportunity
to
build
out.
M
You
know,
increase
the
electric
demand
in
that
specific
neighborhood,
so
I
think
it
it
has
to
happen
pretty
strategically
and
targeted,
but
it
also
has
to
happen
rapidly.
So
I
think
the
the
future
of
gas
dock.
It
will
be
a
place
to
kind
of
put
those
pieces
into
place
where
we
can
have
visibility
on
the
gas
system
and
also
the
electric
system,
and
also
communities
to
to
make
sure
that
we
do
it
rapidly.
But
also
you
know,
in
the
public
interest
inequitably.
O
Oh
I'll,
maybe
just
add
two
quick
things
if
we
have
time
journey
off
well-
and
I
I
pulled
this
up
for
this
reason
and
joe
touched
on
some
of
this
one-
is
that
bullet
all
scenarios
assume
a
29
reduction
in
space
heating
demand.
That
is
huge.
There
was
a
big
discussion
with
our
group.
Some
folks
said
no
way
we're
never
going
to
get
there.
Other
folks
said
it's
not
enough.
We
need
to
go
further,
it's
a
big
lift,
but
we
have
more
to
do
so.
The
efficiency
piece
is
huge.
O
The
other
thing
I
wanted
to
point
out
is
the
two
scenarios
on
the
right:
the
electrification
with
gas,
backup
and
high
electrification,
you'll
notice.
They
both
primarily
use
electric
heat
pumps
and
then
it's
just
a
question
of
how
are
you
doing
that
backup
heating?
So
you
don't
necessarily
need
to
you,
don't
necessarily
need
to
figure
out.
You
know.
Are
we
shutting
off
gas
for
buildings?
O
You
really
need
to
deploy
heat
pumps
and
efficiency,
and
you
can
sort
of
punt
on
that
question
and
folks
may
have
seen
that
there
was
an
announcement
today
that
new
york
city
is
likely
going
to
implement
a
gas
ban.
We've
had
a
my
colleagues
and
I've
had
a
long
email
chain
going
today
talking
about
the
implications
of
that
and
thinking
through
this,
but
even
there
you
need
to
deploy
electric
alternatives
and
the
best
alternative
right
now
is
heat
pumps
and
efficiency.
G
G
Do
you
guys
are
going
to
incorporate
some
place
in
to
do
a
check
in
to
see
exactly
how
your
plan
is
being
successful?.
K
K
We
just
pulled
a
handful
in
the
interest
of
time
and
not
to
bore
you
guys
too
much
with
all
of
the
details,
but
yeah
there's
definitely
more
to
this,
and
it
doesn't
just
jump
to
2050.
A
Great,
thank
you,
everyone
for
the
questions,
and
I
there
is
another
question
that
tess
just
asked
in
the
chat.
So
if
any
of
you
are
able
to
stay
on
and
willing
to
respond
to
some
of
the
things
in
the
chat,
that
would
be
awesome
recognizing
that
we
won't
be
able
to
have
a
further
discussion
on
that
right
at
this
time
and
now
we're
going
to
move
on
to
a
presentation
on
the
metropolitan
council's.
A
N
I
am
really
excited
to
talk
to
you
today
about
this
greenhouse
gas
scenario,
planning
tool
that
we
have
been
developing
for
local
governments
in
the
metro
region,
so
we're
talking
about
over
180
local
governments
that
are
in
the
seven
county
metro
region,
and
that
of
course
includes
minneapolis
as
one
of
them,
and
I
want
to
start
this
by
showing
you
a
video
that
we
made
for
for
to
really
explain
this
work
in
an
accessible
way,
so
I'll
be
sharing
my
screen
and
a
video
that
we
have
for
you.
N
J
Human
activities
have
warmed
the
atmosphere,
ocean
and
land
which
has
led
to
extreme
heat
waves,
heavy
precipitation,
droughts
and
other
storms.
Every
inhabited
region
of
the
globe
is
under
the
threat
of
climate
change.
Despite
our
cold
winters,
minnesota's
average
temperatures
have
warmed
an
alarming
rate
in
the
last
century,
and
the
risk
of
flooding
has
increased
substantially.
E
Cities
have
a
big
role
to
play
in
reducing
greenhouse
gas
emissions
and
because
a
lot
of
where
missions
happen
is
in
cities
through
the
energy
used
in
buildings
through
the
transportation
sector
and
cities
have
a
lot
of
ability
to
impact
the
ways
in
which
we
use
energy.
For
those
two
major
sectors.
F
The
met
council
provides
a
lot
of
tools
and
resources
to
our
local
governments
and
technical
assistance
around
the
area
of
climate
change.
I'm
super
excited
about
this
new
tool
that
the
met
council
is
rolling
out,
which
is
our
greenhouse
gas,
a
scenario
planning
tool
for
our
local
government
partners.
F
J
H
H
My
team
has
developed
a
greenhouse
gas
scenario,
planning
tool
for
the
twin
cities,
metropolitan
region
in
minnesota,
which
helps
different
communities
of
different
types
chart
pathways
towards
net
zero
emissions,
bringing
together
strategies
across
multiple
sectors.
These
sectors
include
compact
land
use,
mobility,
buildings,
waste
and
green
infrastructure
and
trees.
J
N
Cities
should
use
the
greenhouse
gas
scenario
planning
tool
to
determine
priorities
in
climate
action
planning.
We
live
in
very
uncertain
times.
Technology
is
changing
rapidly
and
the
pandemic
shuttles
that
are
driving
and
energy
use
will
change
for
reasons
that
we
cannot
control.
Therefore,
we
are
taking
an
exploratory
scenario,
planning
approach,
where
we
acknowledge
that
there
is
not
one
but
many
scenarios.
H
The
first
bucket
of
strategies
is
compact
land
use
development,
compact
land
use
development
can
reduce
greenhouse
gas
emissions
in
two
ways.
First,
it
can
help
reduce
the
need
for
traveling
long
distances
and
encourage
the
use
of
multi-model
transportation,
and
second
compact
development
promotes
more
multi-family
buildings,
which
are
very
helpful
in
saving
emissions
per
person.
The
second
bucket
of
strategies
is
energy,
efficient
technologies,
the
greenhouse
gas
scenario
planning
tool
includes
a
number
of
new
and
emerging
technologies,
for
example
electric
cars,
which
can
be
an
excellent
low
carbon
energy,
efficient
alternatives
to
conventional
internal
combustion
engines.
H
In
addition,
we
also
model
behavioral
nudging
that
can
encourage
people
by
leveraging
their
social
networks
or
through
other
forms
of
messaging,
to
engage
in
sustainable
behaviors.
For
example,
road
pricing,
as
a
policy
can
encourage
people
to
drive
less
or
to
have
more
vehicle
occupants
in
the
same
vehicle,
which
can
be
incredibly
powerful
in
reducing
energy
use.
Renewable
energy
and
fuel
switching
is
the
fourth
lever
in
the
path
towards
zero
carbon
emissions.
H
The
action
by
utilities
larger
utilities,
to
develop
net
zero
electricity
is
extremely
critical
and
complements
the
action
of
cities
and
communities.
So
the
fifth
level
of
change
is
carbon
sequestration,
which
can
be
done
through
trees
and
increasing
reforestation
and
having
well
having
compact
development
so
that
urban
land
is
not
overtaking.
E
The
creation
of
a
new
scenario
planning
tool
could
be
really
valuable
for
us
in
that
we're
always
trying,
literally
month,
to
month,
to
figure
out
where's.
The
best
use
of
our
time
in
focusing
in
on
reducing
greenhouse
gas
emissions
and
and
scenarios
can
help
us
decide
whether
to
focus
more
on
particular
transportation
initiatives
or
building
energy
initiatives
or
other
things
that
we
know
we
have
to
do.
But
it
can
really
help
us
decide
which
ones
we
need
to
do.
N
J
As
minnesotans,
we
already
experienced
the
extremes
of
climate
change
and
more
changes
are
inevitable.
The
metropolitan
council
is
committed
to
partnering
with
our
region's
cities
and
communities,
to
face
these
challenges
with
data
research
and
practical
tools.
Utilizing
the
council
scenario.
Planning
tool
is
one
opportunity
for
us
to
act
together
for
a
better
future.
F
If
we're
going
to
have
an
impact
on
climate
change,
that
means
every
one
of
us
doing
what
we
can
in
our
own
household,
in
our
own
neighborhood
in
our
own
city
and
our
own
region,
our
own
state,
our
own
nation
and
collectively
that
will
have
an
impact,
and
so
the
met
council
is
a
a
piece
of
this
jigsaw
puzzle
that
working
collaboratively
with
our
partners.
We
can
have
an
impact.
N
So,
coming
soon
we'll
be
releasing
this
greenhouse
gas
scenario
planning
tool.
Another
thing
I
wanted
to
show
you
to
this
group
is
this:
this
came
a
few
months
ago
in
the
new
york
times.
It
was
a
really
interesting
news.
N
Article
interactive
news,
article
actually
came
back
in
2019,
so
that
was
like
more
than
two
years
ago,
but
as
you
can
see
really
what
I
want
to
point
highlight
here
is
it
really
captures
this
idea
of
a
wedge
diagram
and
it
explains
it
very
well
how
you
know
if,
if
we
look
at
the
baseline
emissions
of
the
united
states
here
and
then
what
is
the
projection
we
can
see,
you
know
that,
basically,
if
we
continue
in
a
current
trend,
we're
going
to
have
more
emissions,
and
then
this
lovely
news
article
shows
here
what
is
the
pledged
of
the
2025,
the
u.s
paris
pledge
for
2025.
N
there.
It
shows
a
goal
here
and
it
shows
basically
the
impact
of
different
policies
that
have
been
implemented
in
in
some
other
countries.
So
here
is
the
british
columbia,
carbon
taxes.
What
new
york
clean
electricity
goal
will
look
like
if
the
whole
country
was
to
adopt
that
norway's
electric
vehicle
push
push
china's
industrial
efficiency
targets
so
really
good
illustration:
it
really
gets
at
the
core
of
what
this
is
about.
N
N
So
the
metropolitan
council,
of
course,
is
a
large
organization,
and
you
know
we
run
the
buses
and
the
flushes,
so
we
run
metro
transit.
Of
course,
that's
a
big
part
of
our
operations
and
we
run
the
wastewater
regional
wastewater
treatment,
but
we
also
have
a
community
development
division
that
does
work
with
local
governments,
as
well
as
metropolitan
transportation
services,
which
does
a
lot
of
the
transportation
planning
for
for
a
region.
N
Also
as
part
of
our
of
our
role,
we
provide
technical
assistance
to
local
governments
and
on
climate
change.
So
this
came
from
our
last
regional
plan.
It
was
identified
as
a
goal
of
the
council,
and
here
we
are
actually
implementing
this
goal
of
working
with
with
local
governments
to
provide
assistance
on
climate
change.
N
N
It's
basically
a
tool,
it's
a
web
application,
but
behind
a
web
application,
there's
a
lot
of
calculations
that
happen.
It
takes
data
from
from
many
multiple
data
sets,
including
data
from
energy
utilities.
Data
from
the
transportation
demand
model
data
from
our
waste
water
treatment
unit
and
really
what
it
does
is
just
calculate.
How
can
we
reach
net
zero
emissions
by
2040.
N
So
it
starts
with
a
business
as
usual
projection
so
similar
to
what
I
was
showing
you
from
the
new
york
times
article.
It
starts
by
saying
what
will
our
emissions
be
if
we
just
continue
to
do
the
same
things
we're
doing
so
if
we
don't
adopt
any
policy
and
then
it
calculates
the
impact
of
different
mitigation
strategies.
N
And
basically,
when
we
talk
about
greenhouse
gas
emissions
for
the
community
scale,
we
are
thinking
about.
You
know
a
handful
of
sectors
and
that
include
building
energy
transportation.
N
Waste
and
land
is
change,
so
building
energy,
of
course,
because
it's
using
electricity,
natural
gas
transportation
because
we're
using
gasoline
diesel
and
waste
because
we're
looking
at
the
emissions
that
come
from
the
decomposition
of
organic
organic
materials
that
that's
gonna,
release
greenhouse
gases
into
the
atmosphere,
then
the
category
of
land
exchange
has
to
do
with
every
time
we
expand.
N
We
change
land
uses
going
from,
like,
let's
say
forest
to
agriculture:
that's
going
to
have
an
impact
on
greenhouse
gas
emissions
as
well.
Of
course,
it's
best
to
keep
or
grow
the
forested
land.
N
And
when
we
think
about
strategies
for
reducing
carbon
emissions
strategies
that
are
many
times
at
the
at
the
hands
of
local
governments,
but
sometimes
at
the
hands
of
other
forms
of
government
like
the
state
or
the
or
the
federal
government.
N
Here
is
a
list
we
can
talk
about
like
regulations,
we
can
talk
about
having
incentives
for
certain
like
behaviors.
We
can
talk
about
pricing
awareness
campaigns,
here's
basically
a
list
of
like
all
the
things
that
a
city
can
do
to
influence
greenhouse
gas
emissions.
N
On
a
policy
level
on
this,
so
as
the
ma,
the
video
mentions
this
this
tool
calculates
the
greenhouse
gas
impact
of
different
mitigation
strategies
on
these
five
categories.
So
we're
looking
at
compact,
land,
use
and
planning.
N
Is
this
idea
that
by
building
more
compact,
we
can
reduce
emissions,
and
that
occurs
because
by
building
more
compacts
we
use
less
energy
per
person?
Also,
it
reduces
the
frequency
and
distance
of
vehicle
trips.
N
N
You
know
natural
gas
to
electric
heaters,
that
sort
of
thing
conservation
and
sustainable
behavior.
N
That's
one
of
my
favorites,
because
it
really
is
assuming
that
you
know
if
we
change
their
behavior
like
households
and
businesses,
we
can
also
see
a
reduction
in
greenhouse
gas
emissions,
clean
energy
supply,
it's
huge-
and
you
know
some
of
the
preliminary
results
from
this
work
show
that,
of
course,
one
of
the
biggest
wedges
that
that
we
will
see
to
accomplish
are
to
to
achieve
our
the
carbonization
goals
is
at
the
at
the
clean
energy
level,
so
includes,
of
course,
the
utility
and
includes,
of
course,
what
the
city
can
do
in
addition
to
the
utility
to
reduce
greenhouse
gas
emissions
and
there
and
lastly,
we
have
sequestering
carbon
so
in
in
in
in
minneapolis.
N
Of
course,
that's
going
to
be
more
preserving
the
forested
land
increasing
like
the
urban
forestry
canopy,
there's
not
a
whole
a
lot
of
room
to
increase
the
forested
land,
but
you
know
to
to
keep
that
as
a
as
a
strategy,
because
the
more
we
can
keep
those
trees
the
better
and
so
that
tool
basically
works
on
three
interdependent
models.
We
calculate
the
missions
for
these
three
sectors:
building
energy
transportation
and
green
infrastructure,
but
acknowledging
that
these
three
sectors
really
like
interact
with
each
other.
N
So,
for
example,
how
is
electric
vehicles
gonna
impact,
the
building
energy
demand,
so
thinking
about
those
interdependencies
is
really
important
for
this
exercise
of
scenario.
Planning
here
are
the
five
strategies
again
within
these
five
strategies:
there's
more
specific
actions.
So,
for
example,
when
we
talk
about
land
use,
we
talk
about
the
5ds.
N
I
don't
know
if
you're
familiar
with
this
idea
of
the
5ds
it
has
to
do
with
it's.
It
stands
for
something
like
density
diversity
of
use.
Distance
is
this
idea
that
you
know
changing
planning
to
include
more
density
and
other
things
really
is
going
to
pay
off
in
greenhouse
gas
emissions,
but
also
increasing
public
transit
compact
buildings
affordable
floor
area.
N
So
I
just
want
to
leave
this
here
this
one
second,
so
that
you
all
get
the
chance
to
to
read
some
of
the
strategies
during
our
stakeholder
initial
stakeholder
engagement
for
this
work.
We
got
a
lot
of
interest
in
telework
because
we
started
this
process
right
when
the
pandemic
started.
N
So
folks
were
really
interested
in
understanding
the
impact
of
telework
as
a
strategy,
and
so
we
included
that
in
the
tool,
here's
renewable
natural
gas
and
I
have
to
clarify
for
this
work.
N
We
work
in
collaboration
with
folks
from
academia,
so
we
were
able
to
bring
experts
on
this
field
from
the
university
of
minnesota
and
then
moved
to
the
university
of
princeton.
It
was
professor
anuram
swami,
who
you
saw
on
that
video
and
from
university
of
texas
at
austin
we
have
kara
kochman
who's,
an
expert
on
transportation
and
she's
done
a
lot
of
like
modeling
of
autonomous
vehicles.
That's
a
that's
a
big
uncertainty.
N
I
know
that's
some
futuristic,
but
if
we
are
serious
about
planning
for
emissions
there's,
we
have
to
really
explore
all
the
different
ways
that
things
can
turn
out
and
that's
why
we
use
exploratory
scenario
planning,
for
example,
autonomous
vehicles.
It
could
be
anywhere
from
zero
to
a
hundred
in
the
next
20
years.
We
really
don't
know
it
might
be
that
it
hits
a
threshold
and-
and
then
you
know,
everyone
is
now
using
an
autonomous
vehicle.
We
just
don't
know,
and
so
that's
why
we
need
to
explore
for
multiple.
N
We
need
to
explore
multiple
scenarios.
We
also
assume
that
population
is
going
to
change
in
a
in
a
certain
way,
but
we
don't
know
the
future,
so
we
cannot
put
all
our
eggs
in
one
basket.
We
really
have
to
be
more
flexible
in
how
we
prepare
for
climate
change
and
how
we
think
about
greenhouse
gas
emissions.
N
So
why
develop
a
greenhouse
gas
scenario,
planning
tool
some
advantages
of
building
a
greenhouse
gas
scenario?
Planning
tool
is
leveraging
science
to
reduce
emissions,
so
this
is
really
important,
because
there
are
many
solutions
out
there
about
how
to
you
know,
reduce
greenhouse
gas
emissions,
but
really
that
has
to
be
filtered
through
science
and
it
has
to
be
on
bioscience
and
it
has
to
be
open
science.
N
So
one
problem
that
I
have
with
with
some
of
the
work
that's
done
elsewhere,
is
that
you
know
they
hire
like
this
consultant.
N
They
produce
this
these
results,
but
the
model
itself
is
proprietary,
so
it
it
is
really
hard
to
kind
of
go
beyond
a
certain
level
of
scrutiny.
I
think,
by
this
we're
happening
at
the
government
and
and
and
with
academia.
Then
you
know
if
anyone
is
interested
in
just
really
going
deep
into
how
this
works.
I
it's
all
out
there.
N
The
code
is
out
there
like
they
can
go
to
github
and
and
just
kind
of
go
through
the
code
if
they
want
so
that's
one
big
advantage
and
then
another
one
is
that
it
optimizes
costs
and
benefits.
N
So
again,
what
are
the
values
of
the
city
and
based
on
that,
you
decide
what
your
greenhouse
gas
strategies,
so
maybe
the
city
of
minneapolis,
I
know
values,
equity.
So
maybe
that's
that's
one
of
the
values
that
by
which
you
want
to
select
the
strategies
for
greenhouse
gas
emissions,
so
there's
not
just
one
way
to
achieve
net
zero
emissions.
There
are
multiple
ways:
some
are
more
expensive
than
others,
but
it
also
depends
on
what
are
your
values
right?
So
maybe
you
want
to
find
what
is
the
most
cost
effective
solution?
N
N
And
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
we
really
want
to
see
here
is
to
convene
original
conversations.
N
So
we
all
know
that
for
minneapolis
to
accomplish,
it's
called
is
one
thing
right,
but
there's
all
it's
not
that
minneapolis,
it's
only
by
itself
it
you
know,
there's
so
many
like
neighbor
communities
that
we
have
to
work
with
and
and
there's
these
conversations
with
the
with
the
state
that
need
to
happen
and
with
the
private
sector.
So,
by
having
this
tool,
we
can
convene
a
more
regional
conversation
that
could
yield
like
good
results
in
terms
of
you
know,
advocating
for
certain
like
strategies
at
other
levels
of
government.
N
So
I
know
minneapolis
has
done
a
lot
of
work
on
on
greenhouse
gas
accounting.
I
know
luke.
He
always
shows
this
like
really
good
charts
of
the
progress
and
and
what
are
the
strategies
and-
and
I
love
that
I
think
that
minneapolis
is,
of
course,
ahead
of
the
game
compared
to.
It
also
has,
of
course,
more
resources
for
for
for
this
work
compared
to
other
communities.
N
N
I
think
big
assumptions
are
made
about
the
utility,
but
you
know
what,
if
the
utility
does
not
meet
these
goals
like
we
basically
have
like
a
you
know,
a
lot
of
trust
and
and
something
going
a
particular
way,
but
we
really
need
to
like
find
alternative
scenarios.
N
It's
a
beautiful
city.
Well,
you
know
just
a
little
bit
about
minneapolis
goal:
80
percent
by
2050,
so
this
is
something
to
keep
in
mind
when
starting
using
this.
So
so,
when
is
this
still
gonna
be
available
again
coming
soon?
We
we
expect
to
have
it
ready
by
earth
day.
N
We
just
had
our
last
stakeholder
engagement
where
people
share
their
perspectives
on
this
work
and
there's
a
webinar
that
I
can
facilitate
to
you,
because
it's
on
youtube,
where
the
professors
who
were
working
on
the
the
engine
of
this
tool,
really,
you
know,
break
down
all
the
science.
Well,
not
all
the
sciences,
they
break
down
more
of
the
methodology
that
that
that
they
did.
N
And
the
metropolitan
council
is
building
a
web
application
that
makes
it
easy
to
use
this
tool
again.
A
city
can
just
use
the
web
application
and
select
a
few
strategies
and
go
with
that
if
they
want
to
go
further
and
they
want
to
actually
replicate
the
tool
in
a
different
with
a
different
set
of
assumptions,
that
is
also
possible.
So
we
really
embrace
the
concept
of
open
science,
meaning
all
of
the
words
should
be
available
to
anyone.
N
If,
if
city
of
minneapolis
wants
to
hire
a
data
scientist
to
really
replicate
some
of
this
work
and
extend
it
or
whatever
they
want
to
do
with
it,
that's
also
a
possibility.
N
And
of
course
we
welcome
your
feedback,
and
if
I
have
a
minute
here,
I
wanna
show
you
what
our
web
application
is
looking
like,
and
this
is
not
a
a
final
product,
but
this
kind
of
like
demonstration
with
dummy
data
of
what
the
web
application
could
look
like
we're,
actually
working
on
embedding
all
the
methodologies
into
the
web
application.
N
But
basically
a
city
will
go
here
and
just
click
on
the
on
this
tab
and
find
their
city
here.
Of
course,
there's
no
real
data
right
now
and
then
they
could
start
looking
at
a
diagram
similar
to
this
one
that
we
just
saw
for
the
new
york
times
where,
where
they
can
see
their
different
wedges
and
here
are
the
different
strategies
that
they
can
be
using.
G
I'm
not
surprised
anyway.
I
have
a
question.
This
is
a
great
presentation
and
since
you
got
this
tool
for
people
to
use,
what
are
the
strategies
that
metro
council
is
using
for
transportation
and
have
you
put
that
in
in
the
plan
itself?
And
what
are
you
gonna
do
about
the
buses
since
you're
talking
about
decarbonization
and
electrification?
G
N
I
love
to
give
you
a
good
answer
on
that,
but
what
I,
what
I
have
to
say,
is
that
we're
working
on
a
climate
action
plan
that's
going
to
lay
out
our
strategy.
I
do
see
a
lot
of
action
so,
for
example,
they
they
pilot
electric
vehicles
for
the
their
bosses
and
I
don't
work
for.
I
don't
work
on
the
metro.
Transit,
that's
a
whole
like
different
universe.
N
So
I'm
going
to
limit
what
I
say
here,
but
I
think
that
this
first
climate
action
plan
is
going
to
be
an
effort
to
include
incorporate
this.
This
science,
as
well
into
our
operations
and
later
start
having
the
conversation
about
our
regional
climate
action
plan,
which
is
actually
outward
facing
so
of
of
the
whole
region,
but
at
this
first
stages
of
our
operations
and
they're,
really
we're
really
kind
of
now.
N
Having
that
debate
about
what
is
the
the
best
way
of
you
know:
electrifying
buses
and
increasing
service
in
some
places
and
for
the
wastewater
for
the
wastewater
unit.
There's
a
lot
of
discussion
there,
because
you
know
the
wastewater
treatment,
even
though
in
the
big
scheme
of
things
is
not.
You
know
a
huge
source
of
emissions,
it's
still
an
important
source
of
emissions,
and
so
there's
all
these
ways
in
which
it
can
be
optimized
to
reduce
emissions.
N
G
I'm
not
trying
to
be
rude,
but
to
me
you
have
a
plan,
but
you
haven't
used
the
sources
within
your
your
within
metro
console
to
see
if
the
plan
works.
G
So
I
have
this
plan
and
I'm
going
to
use
these
elements
to
see
that
if
it
works
for
other
cities,
so
with
the
transportation,
even
though
you're
not
in
the
buses,
but
you
have
this
plan
and
why
haven't
you,
I'm
just
devil's
advocate
use
the
transportation
and
the
water
stuff
to
put
into
your
plan
that
you
have
that
you're
promoting
here
and
showing
us
that
it
actually
works.
I
I
A
N
We're
absolutely
having
that
conversation,
and
I
you
know
I
and
don't
want
to
talk
on
behalf
of
metro
transit.
That's,
but
I
do
think
that
there's
you
know
some
important
conversations
happening
on
how
to
actually
get
this
vision
into
reality.
C
And
I'll
just
I'll,
just
like
add
a
little
bit
too,
that
we
have
been
working
with
within
the
city
and
our
intergovernment
relations
team
and
with
the
mech
council
on
a
number
of
electric
vehicle
grants
in
which
we're
specifically
pushing
to
have
40-foot
electric
buses
purchased
with
any.
You
know,
stimulus
money
in
this
transportation
budget
as
well.
So
there,
the
met
council
has
been
working
with
us
to
help,
try
to
figure
out
how
we
bring
electric
buses
more
quickly
in
some
of
the
urban
areas
where
there
is
higher
concentrations
of
pollution.
C
So
it's
yeah
and
as
as
mauricio
said,
it's
a
really
big
organization,
but
they
they
have
been
in
talks
with
us.
R
Yeah
I
have
two
questions
and
I'll
try
to
be
brief
on
net
zero
and
the
compact
land
use.
First,
it
looked
like
all
of
the
sequestration
measures
that
were
given
were
around
green
space
and
trees.
So
I
wonder
if
that
is
why
you
went
with
the
2040
net
zero
goal,
as
opposed
to
a
zero
emissions
goal,
is
just
those
types
of
sequestration
and
then
second
on
the
compact
land
use.
R
Obviously
this
is
focused
on
emissions,
but
I
do
wonder
about
the
issues
that
go
along
with,
especially
the
sorts
of
development
that
were
shown
in
the
video
and
the
things
that
tend
to
go
along
with
that
in
terms
of
affordability,
I
noticed
that
it
did
say,
affordable
floor
space
is
one
of
the
subsets
of
that,
but
in
terms
of
the
way
that
mac
council
envisions
this
tool
being
used
by
cities,
is
it
sort
of
gonna
be
they
can
take
it
on
their
own
and
then
maybe
are
not
taking
those
other
aspects
into
consideration.
N
That's
those
are
really
good
questions.
The
first
part
was
about
net
zero
emissions.
I
I
have
to
be
honest
with
you.
It's
really
hard
to
it's.
Gonna
be
really
hard
to
get
to
even
net
zero
emissions.
N
And
so
yeah,
I
think
that
it,
it's
gonna,
be
a
very
significant
effort.
So
I
think
that
we
need
to
balance.
You
know
that
that
when
we
put,
you
know
something
like
this:
zero
emissions.
N
So
you're
saying
so,
basically
the
two
looks
at
compact
land
use,
so
really
thinking
about
how
we
can
use
space
more
efficiently
to.
R
Well,
I'm
asking,
if
you
know
in
terms
of
emissions,
you
know
a
compact
land
use
might
be
a
great
strategy,
but
then,
if
cities
move
ahead
with
that,
without
taking
into
any
into
consideration
anything
about
affordability
or
fact,
the
effects
on
you
know
the
surrounding
neighborhood
or
depending
on
you
know
the
circumstances
of
that
development.
R
It
might
be
reducing
their
emissions,
but
it
also
might
have
adverse
effects
outside
of
emissions
that
they're
not
taking
into
account,
and
so
I
wonder,
if
there's
any
sort
of
you
know
caveats
or
ways
that
cities
will.
You
know
not
just
run
with
these,
you
know
pursuing
emission
reductions
without
taking
into
account
those
kinds
of
factors
about
affordability
or
equity
concerns.
N
Yeah,
I
think
one
one
argument
that
I
have
here
is
that
by
increasing
the
supply
of
housing
units,
that's
a
way
to
tackle
affordability,
because
basically,
what
we're
going
through
is
a
shortage
of
housing
units,
so
people
want
to
buy
houses,
but
because
the
supply
is
so
so
low,
then
the
houses
that
are
for
sale
can
afford
to
like
really
increase
their
prices.
So
by
increasing
the
number
of
housing
units,
which
is
something
that
goes
with
density,
that's
one
way
to
make
affordable
housing
occur.
Naturally,
of
course
that
is
not
like
automatic.
N
A
Tess,
I
don't
know
if
this
helps
at
all,
but
I'm
wondering
like
is
your
question
about.
If
there
are
certain
caveats
that
are
displayed
in
the
tool
regarding
you
know,
other
considerations
outside
of
some
of
those,
like
mathematical
and
scientific
things
that
can
be
requested.
N
Including
supplementary
information
about
you
know,
compact
development
and
what
are
the
potential
unintended
effects
that
that
might
have?
Okay,
sorry,.
I
I
I
know
that
aaron,
you
were
at
our
meeting
with
15
of
the
hennepin
county
cities
in
st
was
park
on
in
january
of
2020,
or
began
to
talk
in
small
groups
about
actions
that
cities
could
do
together,
and
so
I
know,
hennepin
county
will
be
launching
the
implementation
of
their
climate
action
plan
here
in
2022.
I
So
I
would
like
to
see
like
if
we
could
find
two
or
three
ciac
volunteers
and
one
or
two
staff
from
minneapolis
that
could
join
up
with
some
of
their
counterparts
from
other
cities,
because
the
scenario
planning
tool
can
be
very
helpful
right
now.
We
have
tremendous
momentum
that
minneapolis
has
helped
with
the
commercial
buildings
efficiency
efforts
with
the
hannah
county
division,
buildings
collaborative,
and
it
would
be
great
if
we
could
get
a
similar.
You
know
momentum
going
related
to
residential
efficiency,
kind
of
tying
in
with
implementing
the
inclusive
financing.
I
I
A
Yeah,
so
sean
I'll
follow
up
with
you
via
email
after
this
meeting
to
figure
out
exactly
what
the
ask
is
and
then
send
it
around
to
different
ciac
member
to
all
ciac
members
to
see
who
might
be
able
or
willing
to
come
to
that
meeting
in
january.
I
Q
Anna
thanks
aaron
and
thanks
mauricio
for
being
here,
it's
good
to
see.
You
appreciate
the
presentation
and
this
tool
seems
really
really
useful.
Just
had
a
couple
of
quick
questions
and
I'm
sorry
if
you
said
this
and
I
missed
it,
but
in
terms
of
just
like
entry
level
to
using
the
tool
like
what
do
cities
need
to
bring
do
they
like
yeah
what
so
yeah?
Q
N
Yes,
so
cities
don't
need
to
bring
any
additional
data?
It's
already
has
pre-loaded
data
about.
You
know
the
electricity
use
and
the
natural
gas
use
and
the
transport,
in
fact,
the
the
one
of
the
biggest
one
of
the
best
data
sources
of
transportation
data
is
the
metropolitan
council,
and
that's
part
of
the
reason
why
we're
doing
this
we
house
a
lot
of
like
data
to
make
this
happen.
N
So
they're,
not
there's.
No,
like
a
lot
of
additional
effort
to
see
the
tool
working
now
how
to
use
the
tool.
I
think
that
you
know
it
really
depends
on
what
you're
hoping
to
get
from
it.
So
if
you're
hoping
to
decide
on
the
portfolio
strategies,
I
think
that
you
know
that
would
be.
That
would
have
to
be
a
you
know,
a
process
that
involves
stakeholders
and
involves
the
community
and
all
that.
N
But
if
you
just
wanted
to
evaluate
your
current
plan
and
compare
what's
different
alternatives
that
you
know
you
don't
have
to
really
do
a
lot
for
that.
I
think
that
there's
there's
that
basic
level
of
use
and
there's
the
more
advanced
level
of
use
where
you
actually
grab
the
code
that
we
wrote
and
you
start
like
playing
with
the
more
like
or
underlying
assumptions.
You
maybe
add
strategies
to
this
to
this
tool
or
you
modify
the
strategies
that
are
currently
available
and
so
or
you
know
one
one.
N
We
see
this
more
as
a
service
that
we're
providing
that's
a
big
thing
here.
It's
not
a
a
tool
that
we're
putting
out
and
that's
it,
but
really
it's
going
to
be
this
dialogue
with
communities
that
we're
going
to
continue
to
have
we're
going
to
continue
to
add
years
to
this,
so
that
this
idea
of
scenario,
planning
becomes
kind
of
like
more
normalized
and-
and
we
can
continue
to
have
conversations
throughout
the
years
and
depending
on
how
our
progress
is
to
your
question
about
the
climate
action
plan.
N
I
know
there's
a
component
of
external
stakeholder
engagement.
I
know
that
the
timeline
at
where
we
are
in
the
timeline
where
we
just
hire
a
consultant
to
help
us
advance
this
work,
isaboro
hoppled,
a
firm
that
has
a
a
really
strong
equity
lens
and
we're
really
interested
in
the
environmental
justice
conversation
as
well.
N
So
when
is
the
stakeholder
engagement
happening,
I
should
I
had
to
get
back
to
you
on
that,
because
there's
not
been
like
a
public,
you
know
new
statement
or
anything
on
the
climate
action
plan.
It's
been
mostly
internally
focused
at
this
point,
but
I
imagine
there
will
be
soon
so
I
will
have
to
get
back
to
you
on
that.
N
Thank
you
for
all
the
fantastic
questions
and
I'm
really
excited
again.
This
is
coming
soon
and-
and
I
love
to
hear
your
feedback,
if
you
have
any
feedback
for
me,
I
can
post
my
oh,
I
have
another
thing.
I
will
put
the
youtube
link
to
the
webinar
so
that
you
can
maybe
forward
to
the
section
where
the
or
the
professors
are
talking
and
I'm
gonna
also
include
my
email
in
the
chat.
So
we
can
have
a
dialogue.
If
you
wanna,
like
talk
more
about
this,
we
can
continue
that
conversation.
A
A
C
Great,
thank
you
aaron,
just
really
quickly.
Thank
you.
Everyone
for
responding
to
the
doodle
poll
and
the
consensus
from
that
is
that
the
third
tuesday
of
the
month
from
five
to
seven
is
the
will
be
our
normal
calendar
date.
C
There
may
be
a
couple
of
changes,
including
in
january,
because
I
am
going
to
be
out
of
town
for
a
little
while
until
the
17th,
and
so
I
just
need
to
be
back
in
town
to
sort
of
get
things
prepped
for
the
meeting
so
we'll
meet
on
the
25th
of
january
tuesday,
the
25th
and
right
now
we're
planning
to
have
the
update
on
the
mobility
options,
which
will
be
the
topic
of
our
mobility
hubs,
as
well
as
who
the
new
electric
bike
and
scooter
partners
are
going
to
be
rolling
out
next
year.
C
We
did
a
partnership
with
the
university
of
minnesota
and
saint
paul
on
that,
so
I
will
be
sending
out
outlook.
My
you
know.
Outlook
invites
with
the
teams
meeting
a
connection
which
kind
of
leads
into
another
piece.
That's
right
now
the
the
city
la
the
city
council
approved
last
week
an
extension
of
the
mayoral
proclamation
of
a
emergency
pandemic
into
mid-february.
C
So
that
means,
I
believe,
it's
through
february
13th.
But
that
means
that's
very
likely
that
we
well
well,
I'm
assuming
we
will
be
having
a
virtual
meeting
on
january
25th.
So,
let's
just
assume
that's
what
we're
doing
until.
C
Right
and
then
we'll
figure
it
out
for
february,
but
they'll
very
likely
be
some
kind
of
hybrid
that
we'll
be
able
to
able
to
take
advantage
of
too
at
least
early
on
quickly.
On
the
update
on
the
climate
action
equity
plan,
we
have
selected
a
consultant
team
to
help
us
with
the
update
of
the
climate
action
plan
and
it's
a
local
team
and
we're
very
excited
about
it.
C
We
haven't
finalized
the
contract,
so
I
can't
say
specific
names
at
this
point,
but
big
picture
is
that
we'll
work
on
laying
out
and
agreeing
to
a
work
plan
in
january
february
and
then
start
rolling
into
some
community
meetings?
One
of
the
things
that
we'll
be
looking
for
is
an
advisory
group
of
10
to
12
folks
and
which
I'd
like
to
have
a
couple
of
people
from
seak
participate
in
along
with
some
folks
from
green
zones,
and
then
there'll
be
city
staff
and
and
some
others,
but
I'd
really.
C
I
like
to
bring
that
forward.
Maybe
in
january,
if
I
can,
with
a
little
bit
more
detail
but
we'd
love
to
have
some
folks
from
our
cia
commissioners
to
participate
as
the
sort
of
core
advisory
team
on
the
climate
action
and
equity
plan.
So
we'll
have
more
to
talk
about
that
and
then
thank
you
so
much
last
month
for
forwarding
recommendations
on
the
fair
share
of
science-based
ghg
targets.
C
Our
plan
is
right.
Now
is
I'll,
be
introducing
the
concept
at
the
new
council
member
orientation
on
monday,
the
20th
of
december,
and
that
will
be
bringing
forward
the
recommendation
to
the
full
council
sometime
in
very
early
2022,
as
the
sort
of
kickoff
to
the
climate
action
equity
plan,
update
and
sort
of
setting
that
as
our
clear
bar
and
just
sort
of
re-emphasizing
the
plan.
As
we
move
forward
just
to
have
the
official
engagement
of
our
new
council
and.
C
General,
so
the
overall
plan
is
intended
to
be
done
and
approved
by
the
first
by
the
end
of
the
first
quarter
of
2023,
so
it'll
be
about
a
year
process,
so
lots
of
opportunities
to
engage
on
that
so
I'll
leave
it
to
that.
Of
course.
If
folks
have
questions
feel
free
to
email
me
or
give
me
a
call
I'll
turn
it
back
to
aaron
for
the
chair
and
vice
chair
nomination.
A
Yeah,
so
just
as
a
reminder
for
our
bylaws,
this
is
that
second
meeting
of
the
new
year,
we
end
up
holding
elections
for
our
chair
and
vice
chair
and
so
we'll
be
asking
for
nominations
for
those
positions
at
the
january
meeting
and
holding
the
election
at
the
february
meeting.
So
some
of
you
might
be
wondering
what
especially
those
folks
who
are
new
unseac.
What
do
the
chair
and
vice
chair
do?
A
In
brief,
the
chair
helps
with
setting
the
monthly
agenda,
connects
with
city
staff
in
preparation
for
meetings
sends
letters
on
behalf
of
the
commission
to
city
staff
council
or
the
mayor
depending
on
the
topic,
and
the
chair
also
facilitates
the
meetings,
tries
to
keep
the
pace
moving
and
can
call
special
meetings
as
needed.
The
vice
chair
assists
as
needed,
filling
in
on
any
of
the
tasks
above
in
cases
where
the
chair
isn't
unable
to
fill
their
duties,
which
anna
has
stepped
up
a
lot
this
year.
A
So
I
really
appreciate
that
both
positions
are
malleable.
Past
chairs
and
vice
chairs
have
been
more
hands-on
or
off,
depending
on
their
preferred
leadership
style,
but
start
thinking
about
whether
or
not
you
want
to
run
for
chair
or
vice
chair.
I
will
not
be
running
again
as
chair.
I've
been
chair
for
the
last
four
years,
so
really
do
consider
running
for
that
position
and,
as
always
too,
I'm
happy
to
provide
advice
or
support
during
that
transition.
Time
too.