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A
Actual
meeting
of
the
city
planning
commission
committee
of
the
whole
today
is
thursday
april
15th
2021.
My
name
is
alyssa
olson
and
I'm
the
vice
president
of
the
planning
commission.
This
meeting
includes
the
remote
participation
of
board
members
and
staff
as
authorized
under
minnesota
statute,
section
13d.021
due
to
the
declared
local
public
health
emergency.
A
The
city
will
be
recording
and
posting
this
meeting
to
the
city's
website
and
youtube
channel
as
a
means
of
increasing
public
access
and
transparency.
This
meeting
is
public
and
subject
to
the
minnesota
open
meeting
law.
At
this
time
I
will
call
the
meeting
to
order,
and
I
will
ask
the
clerk
to
please
call
the
role
to
verify
a
quorum.
C
A
D
A
A
D
C
E
A
E
B
D
E
A
G
Good
afternoon,
commissioners,
today,
for
your
preliminary
feedback
is
a
proposed
project
at
2609
blaisdell
avenue.
This
project
is
a
planned
unit
development
incorporating
an
existing
two-story
building
with
45
dwelling
units
and
a
proposed
three-story
building
with
40
dwelling
units.
All
units
in
the
proposed
project
are
planned.
E
G
Affordable
at
50
percent
ami
the
project
site
is
located
at
the
intersection
of
blaisdell
avenue
and
26th
street.
The
existing
building
on
the
site
is
the
former
whittier
elementary
school,
which
is
now
converted
to
residential
uses
with
45
units.
Also
present
on
the
site
is
a
significant
size,
surface
parking
lot
with
44
spaces,
a
playground
structure
and
a
large
unstriped
paved
area
located
at
the
southern
portion
of
the
site.
G
That
link
would
project
slightly
above
grade,
but
for
the
purposes
of
the
zoning
code,
these
will
be
treated
as
two
separate
principal
structures.
The
proposed
project,
the
exterior
materials,
are
proposed
to
be
brick
and
metal
panel,
as
proposed.
The
project
would
be
in
compliance
with
the
city's
guidelines
for
exterior
materials
as
part
of
the
project.
G
The
project
would
also
require
a
site
plan
review
and
a
preliminary
and
final
plat,
along
with
any
other
feedback
that
commissioners
have
staff
is
especially
interested
in
the
commission's
feedback
on
the
proposed
pud
alternatives
and
amenities
for
the
project.
In
particular,
I
think
the
item
that
staff
is
most
interested
in
and
would
really
like
some
guidance
from
the
commission
on-
is
the
requested
alternative
to
increase
gross
floor
area
for
individual
structures
in
this
beauty.
G
This
is
a
new
provision
that
many
of
you
may
recall
was
just
added
this
past
january
as
part
of
the
built
form
overlay,
district's
text
amendment
and
this
project
would
be
the
first
to
seek
an
alternative
to
that
provision,
and
it
would
be
a
relatively
significant
departure
from
from
the
applicable
regulation,
so
the
regular
maximum
gross
floor
area
for
an
individual
structure
in
a
planned
unit.
Development
in
the
interior,
3
built
form
overlay
district
is
25
200
square
feet.
G
The
existing
building
here
is
a
little
over
42
000
square
feet,
and
the
proposed
building
is
a
little
over
48
000
square
feet.
The
the
new
ordinance
lays
out
that
when
the
commission
is
considering
this
alternative,
the
planning
commission
must
consider
whether
the
development's
layout,
amenities
and
building
scale
are
consistent
with
the
intent
of
the
built
form
policies
of
the
comprehensive
plan.
G
So
that's
the
item
that
I
think
we're
most
interested
in
feedback
on
and,
of
course,
we
welcome
any
other
feedback
that
commissioners
might
have
and
with
that
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions
on
the
information
I
covered.
Otherwise,
I
believe
the
applicant
team
would
like
to
present
as
well.
Thank
you.
H
G
With
the
existing
character
of
these
neighborhood
interiors
planned
unit,
developments
by
their
very
nature
are
on
larger
sites
right
and
so
those
maximum
lot
area
requirements
don't
apply
to
planned
unit
developments.
Instead,
the
ordinance
puts
in
limitations
on
the
maximum
gross
floor
area
of
structures
to
try
and
have
a
have,
a
similar
impact
to
that
maximum
lot
size.
I
J
Absolutely
hi
everyone
hi
commissioners,
my
name
is
leah
stockstrom,
I'm
a
senior
project
manager
with
common
bond
communities,
so
we
actually
currently
own
and
operate
whittier
community
housing,
which
is
the
converted
school
building.
We
bought
it
in
2010
from
the
whittier
co-op
and
at
that
time,
did
a
very
light
touch
rehab
on
that
building.
J
J
All
of
the
units
will
be
50,
ami
or
less,
and
actually
the
existing
building
has
a
hap
contract
on
it,
which
means
it's
a
100,
voucher,
property
and
minneapolis
public
housing
authority
actually
gave
us
a
full
contract
for
the
new
building
as
well.
So
these
will
be
really
deeply
affordable
units,
which
means
residents
will
only
pay
30
percent
of
their
income
to
live
here.
So
we're
really
excited
about
this
opportunity
and
I'll
turn
it
over
to
kim
and
bill
to
talk
more
about
the
architectural
details.
I
Thanks
leo,
so
I
thought
I'd
just
add
on
to
what
staff
has
already
indicated
about
the
the
definition
of
the
basic
project.
We
began
looking
at
how
to
build
on
the
south
parking
paved
area
a
couple
years
ago,
and
I
have
looked
at
a
few
different
massing
situations
to
get
to
a
building
program
that
helps
from
a
numbers,
perspective
and
operational
perspective.
The
project
work
and
approximately,
a
year
ago,
in
engaging
with
staff.
I
I
What
makes
I
think
this
site
a
bit
different
is
that
the
overlay
zoning
anticipates
smaller
lots
and
smaller
buildings
in
order
to
be
a
fabric
along
some
of
these
streets
in,
for
instance,
whittier,
and
in
this
case
it's
a
very
large
lot
and
a
very
large
existing
building
and
we're
trying
to
be
sensitive
to
the
issue.
The
goal
of
the
scale
of
the
building
oriented
towards
blaisdell
that
respects
what
the
overlay
anticipates,
which
is
a
smaller
footprint
on
a
smaller
lot.
I
That
also
enhances
the
existing
connection
between
the
two,
the
existing
and
new
building,
but
also
adds
some
more
entry
amenity
space
to
the
existing
building
and
at
the
rear
of
the
building
for
child
play
space.
So
we've
tried
to
create
a
massing
that
respects.
The
avenue
is
sympathetic
to
the
width
of
the
end
buildings
matches
the
height
of
the
existing
building,
the
typical
parapet
height
and
repeats
some
of
the
coloration
without
doing
it
in
a
terribly
historic,
neo-historic
manner.
I
I
I
E
D
D
I
thought
that
would
have
been
great
if
that
parking
lot
was
going,
but
I
guess
my
question
for
you
is
that,
based
on
the
staff's
analysis
of
the
difference
between
the
what
kind
of
gross
floor
area
is
allowed
in
this
overlay
district
and
what
the
gross
floor
area
is
currently,
do
you
see
any
kind
of
mitigation
to
the
plans
for
this
structure
or
is?
Does
this
seem
to
be
the
only
way
in
your
opinion,
to
move
forward?
And
then
my
other
question
is
that
I
think
leah
mentioned
some.
D
Some
updates
to
the
exterior
amenities
of
the
other
building,
including
sprinkler
and
landscape
area,
and
things
like
that-
is
there
also
any
kind
of
additional
rehab
or
amenities
that
will
be
a
part
of
this
project,
but
inside
the
other
building
I
don't.
I
have
never
been
inside
the
building,
so
I
don't
know
what
it
exactly
looks
like.
So
I'm
just
kind
of
wondering
I
guess
those
are
my
two
questions.
I
So,
commissioner,
the
inside
of
the
building
generally
gets
a
refresh
in
terms
of
finishes
and
so
forth
that
the
common
areas
are
being
added
in
the
new
building
and
are
accessible
to
all
residents.
So
the
new
building
will
be
the
primary
area
for
community
there's.
A
new
community
room
community
room,
kitchen
offices,
common
bond
has
services
that
are
provided
to
resident
advantaged
services.
I
I
I
I'd
I'd
say
no,
the
reason.
I'd
say
that
is
the
existing
building
in
no
way
complies
ever.
It
would
always
have
to
get
a
modification
to
exist
to
continue
to
exist,
and
that
would
be
regardless
of
whether
or
not
we
separated
the
the
existing
parcel
into
two
lots.
The
other.
The
other
thing
is.
We
tried
to
focus
on
the
issue
of.
I
So
I
think
that's
what
makes
this
unusual
on
the.
If,
if
it
was
a
stand-alone
building,
we
could
probably
come
up
with
a
unique
con
uniquely
configured
lot
to
put
the
new
building
on
because
of
the
site
area.
We
could
take
a
whole
lot
of
site
area
away
from
the
school,
but
the
school
would
nonetheless
always
have
to
be
either
non-conforming
to
remain.
C
Thank
you
a
couple
of
comments
and
I
have
done
a
question.
I
was
regarding
the
gross
floor
area
and
the
the
the
desire
to
break
it
up,
break
up
the
the
the
look
of
it
in
the
neighborhood.
I
was
just
today
exploring
pillsbury
avenue
a
few
blocks
north
of
here
and
the
wonderful
historic
homes
and
you
keep
wandering
down
further
south
and
then
about.
I
know
25th.
C
I,
however,
I
think
in
this
case
the
design
is
such
that
you
know
it's
not
just
it's
not
a
continuation
of
whittier
school.
I
remember
when
whittier
school
was
made
into
this
school
was
made
into
a
co-op.
We
were
also
thrilled.
It
was
being
used
in
that
way,
but
I
don't
think
this
addition,
you
know,
makes
it
any
more
oppressive
or
or
or
or
too
much
of
a
overbearing
structure.
So
I
I
think,
what's
been
proposed
here.
C
I
I'm
I'll
try
to
respond.
I'm
sorry!
Our
landscape
architect,
could
not
make
it
tonight
to
respond
to
this,
but
the
the
issue
of
creating
that
new
courtyard
and
focused
landscape
around
that.
We
we've
noted
that
we
would
be
seeking
some
some
of
the
points
for
related
to
the
alternatives
for
enhanced
landscape
and
to
the
degree
that
we
can
incorporate
low
maintenance
turf.
J
You
know,
I
think,
as
far
as
you
know,
trees
dying
out
and
stuff
like
that
we
do
have
warranties
with
the
contractor.
So
if
they
plant
a
tree
and
it
dies
within
the
first
year
that
we
install
it,
they
are
actually
required
to
come
back
out
and
replace
that
tree.
You
know,
I
think,
if
a
building
is
there
for
20
years,
I
I
hope
that
we
maintain
it
over
time.
J
I
So
if
I
could
just
return
back
to
the
north
parking
lot
for
a
second,
so
one
thing
that
was
brought
up
by
staff
was
the
question
about
whether
we
can
look
at
removing
this
curb
cut
and
turning
to
the
alley.
And
so
we
are.
We
are
looking
into
that
in
terms
of
clearances
and
what
else
happens
here,
but
that's
certainly
something
that
we're
looking
at.
I
A
F
Thank
you.
I
am
curious
kim
as
you
studied
this.
You
know
about
where
this
edition
goes.
I
mean,
I
think,
you've
done
a
wonderful
job
of
articulating
the
scale
and
sort
of
pulling
things
back
and
really
integrating
the
structure.
I.
What
I
worry
about
is
the
resulting
spaces
which
are
essentially
on
the
north
side
of
the
building,
there's
sort
of
deep
pockets.
F
Our
entrances
northwest,
which
you
know
is
gonna.
That's
all
our
prevailings.
You
know
you're
gonna
catch
a
lot
of
snow
and
stuff
right
at
the
entry.
So
did
you
guys
study
kind
of
seeing
if
you
could
get
the
counts
and
things
on
26?
And
so
you
could,
you
know,
keep
a
beautiful
south
facing
open
space
where
the
parking
lot
is.
I'm
just
I'm
just
wondering
on
process
here
a
little
bit
and
how
you
landed
at
at
this
being
the
best
spot
to
do
the
addition.
I
Sure
so
we
had
looked
at
a
rectangular
building
on
this.
We
never
did
look
at
it
here,
but
I'd
say
if,
if
I'm
reconstructing
the
thought
process,
the
challenges
with
putting
a
straight
rectangular
building
at
this
scale
would
not
get
us
to
40
units
and
the
challenge
of
getting
access
to
the
lower
level
for
this
ramp.
We
could
do
that
in
this
area.
I
We
had
to
have
four
to
five
stories
tall
on
the
south
end
of
the
lot
to
fit
it
in
a
rectangle
and
where
we
were
a
year
ago
was
that
we
could
not
get
a
variance,
there's
no
provision
to
go
to
a
four
or
five
story.
Building
in
this
overlay
district,
it
was
a
non-starter
yeah,
and
so
we
had
to
create
a
bigger
footprint
building
and
go
to
three
stories
to
build
this
program,
and
so
you
could
put
a
rectangle
on
north.
I
It
would
not
get
to
40
units
and
in
terms
of
the
square
footage
of
the
footprint
and
to
get
to
one
to
one
parking
underneath
it
we've
taken
out
every
inch
we
can
so
in
terms
of
it's
a
in
spite
of
it
being
in
inefficient
kind
of
f-shaped
building,
it's
a
terribly
efficient
building,
so
it
is
as
small
as
we
can
make
it.
I'm
I'm
confident
and
when
we,
when
we
do,
that,
you
see
how
much
outside
wall
area
there
are
costs
to
doing
that.
I
And
so
the
the
issue
of
of
getting
to
three
stories.
We've
created
a
lot
of
outside
wall
area.
In
order
to
do
the
articulation
that
tries
to
get
to
the
issue
of
the
scale
of
the
buildings
that
are
desired.
So
we've
tried
to
break
the
building
up
into
subsets
of
buildings,
and
we
could
not
do
that
on
the
north
side.
F
E
F
F
Lastly,
and
the
idea,
because
I
think,
because,
given
all
that
perimeter
area,
if
you
had
a
simple
rectangle
and
potentially
even
another
little
chunk
of
that
to
get
to
your
accounts
here
on
the
south,
you
know
it
we're
already
sort
of
way
past
our
perimeter
floor
ratios
you've
kind
of
blown
those
already.
I
wonder
if,
if
hey
you
guys
had
looked
again
you've.
This
was
before
our
time
on
the
commission.
I
F
I
F
I
H
I
F
Just
I
think,
focusing
as
to
commissioner
ford,
also
the
sort
of
health
of
those
trees
and
making
sure
you
know,
doors
are
sheltered
in
such
a
way
that
you
know
that
northwest
conditions
are
just
challenging.
You
know
that
it's
it's
tough
and
last
question.
The
connector
is
that
I
would
imagine
you
know
there
are
some
advantages
to
walking
through.
Maybe
some
advantages,
also
to
kind
of
be
able
to
cordon
off
both
areas
is
the
is
the
lid
of
that
thing
going
to
be
planted,
or
is
it
just
a
bare
roof?
I
F
H
I
F
G
G
Just
to
note
that
you
know
that
that
existing
parking
lot
doesn't
meet
our
current
landscaping
and
screening
standards,
and
so
when
this
project
goes
through
site
plan
review,
that
does
cover
the
entire
site
and
so
alternative
compliance
to
the
landscaping
and
screening
standards.
For
that
parking
lot
would
be
needed
for
the
existing
condition.
K
Hi
everyone
I
want
to
thank
the
applicant
team.
This
is
such
an
interesting
project
and
I
for
one
really
like
not
seeing
it
just
another
rectangle,
so
I
actually
think
the
f-shape
is
really
cool
and
something
new
and
neat
to
see.
I
also
really
like
your
landscaping
plan
and
the
way
that
you've
really
made
this
kind
of
look
like
a
campus
for
the
families.
Who'll
live
there
with
a
lot
of
holistic
elements
from
the
playground
to
the
gardening
boxes.
K
I
really
commend.
You
you've
seen
a
lot
of
projects
that
don't
fit
this
bill,
so
I
really
thank
you
for
going
the
extra
step
I
will
say
I
did
notice
that
you
get
one
point
for
decorative
fencing
and
I
saw
from
the
fencing
that
you
presented.
It
looks
kind
of
like
just
a
wooden
slatted
fence,
so
I
just
wanted
to
understand
what
was
kind
of
the
decorative
part
of
that,
and-
and
my
I
mean
my
suggestion-
kind
of
obviously
is
always
to
add
more
creative
elements
that
you
can.
K
I
will
even
take
fake
greenery
on
fences
just
for
added
interest
in
this
city
from
seeing
ugly
chain-link
fences-
and
you
know
just
boring
fences-
I
you
know
I
will
take
fake
plants,
but
just
I
think,
there's
some
some
room
for
some
cool
improvement
that
you
all
can
do
there
on
both
internal
and
external,
on
the
fences
and
then
maybe
something
like
that
can
also
be
from
that
parking
lot
side
can
kind
of
carry
through
that
green
theme.
Again,
I
really
like
that.
K
You
guys
have
added
so
much
greenery
and-
and
thank
you
for
that-
a
question
quick,
first
staff.
I
noticed
that
on
the
list
of
amenities
and
the
points
there
wasn't
one
for
the
garden
boxes
for
the
plantings
for,
like
the
and
I
thought
when
we
had
talked
about
the
built
form,
everything
that
we
had
talked
about
like
if
you
were
adding
food
box
boxes
where
you
can
be
growing
fresh
food.
That
was
an
additional
point
so
that
I
just
want
to
point
out
clarification
on
that.
One.
G
I
G
Yes
thanks,
commissioner
marwa
yeah,
so
I
did
pull
that
up
here
and
you
are
correct.
There
is
a
a
section
of
amenities
for
on-site
food
production.
That's
worth
five
points.
That
standard
is
it's
a
pretty
high
standard?
That's
required
there.
That's
60
square
feet
per
dwelling
unit
up
to
a
maximum
of
5
000
square
feet
also
has
to
provide
watering
systems,
secure
storage
for
tools
and
a
few
other
items
here.
So
I
think
the
the
garden
space
that
they're
proposing
would
not
meet
that
standard.
G
They
certainly
could
propose
under
the
section
that
allows
the
planning
commission
to
consider
other
amenities
proposed
by
the
applicant
a
similar
system.
So
if
they
are
proposing
a
a
smaller
gardening
area
for
residents,
they
could
propose
that
for
consideration
for
a
lower
number
of
points
that
the
commission
could
choose
to
grant.
K
Okay,
thank
you.
I
would,
I
would
say,
I'm
thankful
that
you
guys
are
including
some
of
that
type
of
space
as
much
as
you
can
incorporate.
I
think,
especially.
I
live
in
multi-family
housing
and
I
wish
that
we
had
more
of
that
type
of
stuff
that
we
could
all
kind
of
be
planting
our
own
fruits
and
veggies.
If
you
don't
get
the
best
sunlight
too,
so
thanks.
I
We
knew
we
could
not
get
to
that
much,
partly
because
the
current
residents
have
some
spaces
and
we're
trying
to
keep
along
that
level
because
of
the
number
of
people
who
are
currently
gardening
there
and
that
that
seems
to
be
the
right
amount
and
so,
but
also
just
simply
to
comply
fully
for
the
points
we.
It
would
be
very
hard
to
con
to
create
that
much
along
blaze
deal.
So
we
were
intentional
about
having
some,
but
not
to
the
level
that
the
points
were
and
in
general,
on
the
amenity
points.
I
For
instance,
we
didn't
originally
propose
gaining
the
points
for
enclosed
parking,
because,
technically
it's
not
all
enclosed,
so
staff
has
indicated
that
we
could
seek
half
the
points
for
enclosed
because
we
are
providing
half
the
parking
in
essence
and
enclosed
area,
so
we'll
fine
tune.
Those
amenity
points
based
on
clearly
having
to
have
20,
but
as
we
look
at
the
specific
definitions
of
each
one
finalizing
on
the
ones
that
are
actually
appropriate.
I
H
I
So
we've
designed
it
using
magic
pex
but
bill.
Do
you
want
to
comment
on
the
specific
nature
of
those
we
we
have
so
in
general,
this
building
has
to
comply
with
minnesota,
green
community's
design
criteria
for
sustainable
design
and
so
the
envelope,
the
windows,
the
hvac
systems
for
the
new
building,
are
at
a
certain
performance
level
and
we
haven't
claimed
those
points
because
again
we
are
not
able
to
do
that
on
the
existing
building.
I
So
it's
an
example
of
where
we're
complying
on
the
energy
performance
side
in
xxx
of
the
code
requirements
for
the
new
building,
but
the
existing
building.
We
cannot
do
that.
So
therefore,
we
haven't
claimed
any
of
those
amenity
points
on
that,
but
bill
for
the
specifics
of
those
air
handlers.
Can
you
address
that.
H
Is
there
an
opportunity
to
put
those
on
the
existing
units?
I
see
time
and
time
again
during
the
summer,
our
mutual
aid
requests
and
requests
for
window
units,
and
I
know
the
you
know
the
old
school
window,
air
conditioning
units
just
aren't
energy
efficient
and
end
up
costing
residents
a
lot
of
money.
H
I
So
that
the
challenge
on
on
old
buildings
or
historic
buildings
is
incorporating
of
a
system
it,
you
can't,
you
can
do
fan
call
units
yeah,
for
instance,
over
renovating
minneapolis
public
housing
authority,
high
rises
at
elliott
park
where
it
was
a
1960
building
that
had
always
had
in-window
air
conditioners
and
because
it's
a
high
rise
there,
we
replace
the
entire
system
with
a
vertical
fan.
Coil
system,
so
that
air
is
supplied
to
the
units
and
air
conditioning
is,
is
provided
without
having
magic
pack
type.
I
E
I
J
Yeah,
honestly,
I'd
have
to
do
research
to
tell
you
it
does
vary
building
to
building.
Typically,
if,
if
they're
already
buying
them,
we
don't
usually
you
know,
change
over
and
say
we'll
buy
them
for
you.
One
of
the
things
that
we
have
done
in
our
rehabs
is:
if
we
have
contingency
left
over
at
the
end
of
the
project
that
we
have
not
spent,
is
we
will
go
through
and
say
you
know:
are
there
any
old
units
that
we
can
replace
and
then
we
will
go
through
and
replace
them
for
residents?
J
D
Yeah.
Thank
you,
commissioner
olson.
I
had
a
quick
question
actually
about
the
rooftop.
You
just
mentioned
it
with
some
some
structural
functionality
that
will
use
the
rooftop,
but
I'm
also
wondering,
if
there's
any
other
use
for
the
rooftop,
that
you
could
be
picturing,
because
it
is
quite
a
bit
of
a
footprint
and
I'm
just
kind
of
wondering
if
you
have
considered,
for
example,
solar
panels
or
any
rooftop
amenity,
even
because
it
seems
like
it
would
be
a
space
that
would
otherwise
feel
a
bit
wasted
yeah.
I
Commissioner,
so
we
can
make
the
rooftop
solar
ready
and
so
that
there
are
there's
the
appropriate
loads
that
could
take
the
future
photovoltaics
and
a
conduit
path
for
that,
so
that
we,
that
can
certainly
be
provided
for
rooftop
amenity
spaces.
The
challenge
is,
it
also
requires
stair
and
elevator
extensions
to
the
roof
if
the
roof
is
meant
for
public
use,
so
we
are
not
providing
we're
anticipating
having
a
usable
roof
in
either
the
existing
weather.
D
Thank
you,
and
I
guess
I
just
have
a
follow-up
comment
for
staff.
If
that's
okay,
because
staff
asked
a
question
about
how
we
would
potentially
see
the
enhancement
for
the
parking
surface
parking,
and
ideally
I
would
have
liked
that
space
to
be
activated
one
way
or
another
so
that
it's
not
because
it's
right
off
of
a
pretty
active
corridor.
D
But
I
guess
in
the
absence
of
any
kind
of
storefront
or
amenities
that
the
pedestrians
can
can
you
know
integrate
with,
I
would
say
at
least
additional
landscaping
in
that
area,
and
I
do
see
like
a
like
about
four
at
what
it
looks
like
at
least
in
this
in
this
plan
that
seem
to
be
canopy
trees.
I
think,
but
if
it
could
have
additional
landscaping,
such
as.
D
A
K
E
K
K
We
like
they
have
like
a
whole
list
of
parts
of
developments
that,
like
artists,
can
engage
in,
for
you
know
ranging
costs
from
everything
from
building
the
decorative
fences
to
building
the
bike
racks
to
stamping
sidewalks,
to
painting
the
sidewalks
to
murals.
To
all
of
this,
I
kind
of
just
want
to
understand
to
garden
trellises.
K
You
know
all
of
these
elements
that
I
think
can
enhance
our
visual
landscape
here
so
much,
and
especially
when
we're
seeing
such
these
cut
and
paste
boxes
kind
of
understand
is
that
something
that
like
can
give
to
the
city
that,
when
they're
working
through
the
processes
or
is
that
can
present
to
them?
I
just
feel
like
there's
a
big
disconnect
about
when
we
see
these
projects-
and
we
can,
you
know
consistently
give
them
this
feedback.
A
A
L
It's
an
it's
an
interesting
question.
I
think
that
kind
of
information
probably
needs
to
be
exchanged
outside
the
purview
of
these
meetings.
You
know
by
the
time
we
see
something
at
committee
the
whole
or
at
our
main
commission
commission.
It's
you
know,
the
team
is
in
place
and
all
of
that
and
I
would
be
concerned
about
advocating
for
one
particular
group
in
this
forum,
so
I
don't
think
I
don't
think
we
can
do
that.
That's
not
our
job
is
to
suggest
places
to
go.
L
You
know
particular
places
to
go
so
my
recommendation,
you
know
really
to
commissioner
marwa
would
be
I
I
would
either
I
would
talk
offline
actually
to
somebody
from
cped
about
that.
It
sounds
like
the
issue
is
making
sure
developers
and
project
managers
know
that
that's
available
right,
which
seems
to
me.
I
don't
want
to
use
the
word
marketing
per
se,
but
to
make
those
kind
of
connections
between
other
organizations.
I
think
it's
a
great
idea,
I'm
just
not
sure
this
is
the
forum
for
it.
L
H
D
D
There
was
a
way
to
like
use
her
as
a
resource
in
that
way
and
or
communicate
with
her
in
advance,
but
then
use
her
as
a
resource
in
the
review
of
some
of
these
proposals,
potentially
to
get
some
of
that
feedback
internally
and
while
the
while
staff
is
still
working
with
the
development
team.
Basically
so.
K
Approvals
of
what's
kind
of
being
proposed
right
as
far
as
like
can
we
get
you
know
just
better,
looking
facades
and
more
interesting
kind
of
material
like
not
just
materials
but
fence
like
the
small
things
that
go
into
developments
that
could
be
creative
elements,
I
think
you're.
I
think
it's
is
just.
K
D
Think
if
you
have,
and
if
you
find
a
way
in
doing
that,
I
would
personally
appreciate
it,
because
I
know
that
the
way
that
our
ordinances
and
codes
work
right
now
there
is
not
a
lot
of
leeway
for
commenting
on
design
and
saying
you
know
what
this
building
just
looks.
Ugly,
and
I
don't
want
it.
I
don't
want
to
look
at
this
for
50
years
and
we
just
can't
do
that
because
they
comply
with
every
like
all
the
codes
and
ordinances.