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Good
afternoon
welcome
to
the
regular
meeting
of
the
police
conduct
oversight,
commission
audit
subcommittee
for
april
27
2021.
I
am
robert
pino
and
I
am
the
chair
of
this
committee.
As
we
begin,
I
will
note
for
the
record
that
this
meeting
has
remote
participation
by
members
and
city
staff
as
authorized
under
minnesota
statute.
Section.
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A
Absolutely
hey
everybody
on
this
specific
report.
It
was
the
9-1-1
there's
kind
of
a
number
of
things
that
are
in
play
here.
So
I
know
the
audit,
like
the
city's
internal
office
of
internal
audit,
has
a
like
9-1-1
dispatch
study,
that's
in
their
queue
because
of
the
doj
investigation.
I
know
I
think,
that's
one,
that's
it's
not
at
the
top
of
theirs
right
now,
and
so
I
think,
they're
kind
of
waiting
to
understand
what
the
scope
of
that's
going
to
be,
since
it's
likely
something
that
could
get
pulled
into
that.
A
Wasn't
something
that
was
dispatched
so
there
wasn't
something
that
was
observed
and
an
officer
was
routed
there.
There
wasn't
something
where
an
individual
had
flagged
down
an
officer
and
so
yeah.
I
had
actually
spoken
to
the
commissioner
peter
now
about
this
in
a
previous
discussion
and
one
of
the
things
for
this.
If
people
have
an
interest
in
that,
is
that
there's
a
very
comprehensive
stop
dashboard
that
exists
on
the
minneapolis
data
source?
A
I
can
send
that
link
out
to
everybody
as
well,
and
so
I
think
if
people
wanted
to
isolate
like
that
type
of
data,
which
I
also
think
will
be
encompassed
by
the
doj
investigation.
Generally,
you
have
to
find
some
dispatch
codes,
they're,
not
dispatch
code,
but
response
codes.
That
would
relate
to
things
that
aren't
like
a
clear
report
or
violation
of
the
law.
A
So
in
this
case
suspicious
vehicle
and
suspicious
person
would
be
kind
of
the
two
main
categories:
you'd
use
to
parse
down
the
data,
and
that's
something
where
you
know
both
of
those
categories
exist
within
this
dashboard.
So
you
can
select
those
and
then
you
know
a
date
range
and
basically
parse
down
to
get
a
general
population
that
would
reflect
kind
of
what
the
commission
had
been
interested
in
looking
at.
I
do
have
a
data
set
that
I
pulled
that
I
can
share,
but
I
wanted
to
provide
that
option
as
well.
A
C
G
C
And
I
think
it's
important
to
you
know
that
you
brought
up
the
fact
that
there
is
a
doj
investigation
going
on.
So
this
story
is,
by
you
know,
all
intents
and
purposes
developing,
and
I
think
it's
important
for
us
as
a
group
to
be
watching
and
ready
for
that
publication.
For
the
record,
I
will
note
that
I
did
put
in
the
link
for
the
stop
dashboard
so
that
way
the
commissioners
and
staff
who
don't
already
know
about
it,
have
it
available
to
them.
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C
Next
item
on
our
agenda
is
coaching
a
discussion
on
coaching.
I
know
that
our
fellow
commissioners
were
not
here
for
it,
but
we
did
have
a
document
that
went
through
the
policy
and
procedure
subcommittee
back
in
2020,
which
came
out
of
that
subcommittee,
and
then
there
was
a
discussion
and
referral
to
this
audit
committee
from
the
larger
commission
bear
with
me
one
moment.
While
I
also
copy
that
link
for
members
of
the
public
who
do
not
have
immediate
access
to
this
chat.
C
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C
Here
we
are,
and
if,
if
it
is
available,
I
believe
it
was
handed
to
the
clerk
is
the
the
document
I'm
reading
from
is
pcoc
study
process.
Could
the
clerk
tell
us
if
that
document
is
available
to
show
on
screen?
So
that
way
we
have,
we
can
either
read
along,
or
we
can
also
immediately
share
with
members
of
the
public
when
they
watch
this.
B
C
C
Once
we
have
it
that
project
formation
and
initial
survey
is
a
critical
fundamental
step
in
being
able
to
understand
one.
What
we're
doing
and
two
once
we
do
it
making
sure
that
it's
worthwhile,
and
that
is
the
main
goal
of
what
I
would
like
our
conversations
to
be
centered
around
not
only
for
this
coaching
study
but
for
other
points
on
this
agenda
before
we
dive
into
the
substance.
C
Hearing
none,
I
think
we
can
dive
into
the
substance
of
coaching
itself
for
a
short
while
and
I
I'm
going
to
save
for
us,
going
through
the
whole
process
because
we're
we're
not
there
yet
frankly,
with
our
the
topic
at
hand,
so
we
can.
We
can
save
the
methodology,
development
and
the
the
collection
of
data
and
the
final
analysis
for
for
later.
We
don't
need
to
continue
with
the
screen
sharing.
C
What
coaching
is
how
it
relates
to
discipline
you
know,
and
the
fundamental
process
of
how
we've
found
ourselves
here
in
the
world
of
what
is
coaching
is
important
for
us
to
to
look
at
so
that
way.
We,
as
the
the
three
members
of
this
subcommittee,
have
a
solid
understanding
of
what
we're
talking
about,
and
that
is
something
that
I
think
is
an
important
aspect
before
we
even
dive
into
the
you
know
approving
any
sort
of
analysis
or
recommendations
around
this
document
or
amending
it
in
some
sort
of
way.
G
C
So
I
think
a
good
way
to
just
start
this
off
is
I'm
going
to
start
just
writing
down
questions
and
seeing
if
we,
you
know
start
building
up
a
a
trend
of
you
know
a
package
of
questions.
If
you
will
that
we
can
really
start
to
explore
this
topic
further
and
be
able
to
share
a
well-rounded
understanding-
and
I
think
that's
one
of
those
questions
that
I
think
is
is
important.
C
Not
just
you
know,
is
there
a
you
know
a
certain
number
of
you
know
times
an
officer
gets
coached
or
you
know
what
is
the
frequency
does?
Is
there
a
likelihood
that
an
officer
is
coached
once
on
a
particular
topic,
and
then
they,
you
know,
are
very
unlikely
to
need
coaching
again
or
is
there
multiple
times
where
there
are
instances?
Where
is
coaching
on
a
similar
subject
matter.
F
Yeah
this,
commissioner,
sparks
I
had
kind
of
a
similar
sorry
similar
thought.
It
would
be
nice
to
know
as
part
of
this,
if
we're
going
to
do
a
study.
How
effective
is
coaching
in
its
current,
however,
it's
being
implemented
currently
are
people
reoffending,
so
to
speak.
Are
they
learning,
I
suppose
the
intent
is
that
they
learn
from
their
mistakes,
and
then
they
aren't
aren't
making
the
same
mistakes
again,
but
it
would
be
nice
to
know
how
effective
it
is.
C
Okay,
yeah,
how
effective
is
coaching
also,
how
do
we
measure
that?
How
do
we
measure
effectiveness
of
coaching?
You
know?
Is
it
the
fact
that
there
aren't
other
instances
that
are
similar?
Is
it
the
fact
that
there
is
some
sort
of
you
know,
I'm
trying
to
think
of
their
other
instant
other
ways
that
you
measure
coaching
as
being
effective
or
ineffective
other
than
that
it
doesn't
show
up
again
on
that
individual's
report?
You
know,
I'm
sure
there
are
it.
F
Might
be,
I
was
trying
to
think
of
a
good
way
to
say
it,
but
so
I
think
the
public
perception
is
that
a
lot
of
instances
of
like
complaints
tend
to
be
swept
under
the
rug
and
don't
even
go
to
coaching.
It
would
be
interesting
to
see
if
we
could
get
a
comparison
between
how
many
complaints
are
made,
for
example,
versus
how
many
of
those
go
to
coaching,
and
if
that
number
kind
of
changes
after
an
officer
is
coached.
C
And
you
sparked
an
idea
here
that
I
think
we
need
to
get
back
at.
You
know,
take
a
a
step
back
or
really
getting
at
the
fundamental
question
of
how
did
we
get
to
this
term
coaching?
You
know,
and
I
think
that's
a
really
important
question,
because
it's
thrown
around
a
lot
in
the
news
media
in
our
conversations
and
other
conversations
and
trying
to
get
at
that
process
of
you
know,
there's
a
reason
why
coaching
is
here
why
you
know.
F
I
don't
know
if
it's
used
inappropriately,
but
we've
seen
examples
of
officers
berating
victims
verbally
assaulting
people
stuff
like
that
when
we
do
those
complaint
reviews
and
a
lot
of
other
commissioners
have
said
like
I
don't
know,
if
that's
something
you
can
coach
to
people
with
good
character,
don't
generally
do
these
things,
they
don't
find
themselves
in
these
situations.
So
is
it
really
appropriate
to
to
have
coaching
for
for
some
of
those
violations.
B
Yes,
thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
appreciate
you
calling
that
back
to
everyone's
attention.
We
have
arranged
for
the
city's
chief
human
resources
officer,
patience
ferguson,
as
well
as
our
city
attorney,
jim
router
and
others
to
be
in
attendance
at
the
next
meeting
of
the
full
commission
to
speak
to
this
issue
of
coaching
from
an
enterprise
perspective.
B
Coaching
is
not
a
unique
term
applied
only
to
mpd,
it
is
applied
across
the
entire
city
enterprise
or
we
use
that
word
organization
of
city
government,
so
that
includes
all
22
bargaining
units,
the
appointed
positions
and
the
unclassified,
and
so
I
think,
having
that
understanding
is
important.
The
questions
I
hear
you
generating
mr
chair,
I
think,
are
good
in
terms
of
if
this
subcommittee
can
sort
of
have
a
list
of
prepared
questions
to
help
guide
that
discussion
at
the
next
pcoc
meeting.
B
How
that
applies
to
the
minneapolis
police
department,
so
these
are
good
questions
that
I
think
the
city
attorney
the
city's
chief
human
resources
officer
and
the
representatives
of
the
police
department
we've
invited
to
participate
as
well
to
to
respond
to
it
will
give
you
a
shared
sense
of
understanding
and
through
your
forum,
which
is
public,
will
give
the
community
a
better
appreciation
for
what
is
coaching.
How
is
it
used
in
npd?
How
is
it
used
in
other
city
departments?
What
is
its
purpose?
B
I've
also
asked
the
chief
human
resources
officer
to
come
prepared
to
speak
to
coaching
as
a
tool
that's
used
by
other
jurisdictions.
It's
not
something
unique
to
minneapolis,
so
putting
it
in
that
broader
context
or
frame
of
you
know
the
state
and
other
jurisdictions
and
how
it's
used,
I
think,
is
informative
for
your
body
and,
as
I
mentioned
through
your
body
for
the
public,
I
hope
that's
very
helpful.
C
C
I
I
mean
people
who
complain
against
who
file
complaints,
four
transparency,
what
is
currently
preventing
all
forms
of
corrective
action,
coaching
or
otherwise,
from
complete
public
transparency
as
long
as
it
abides
by
the
civilian
privacy
question.
Above
what
can
the
city
of
minneapolis
do
to
bring
about
this
transparency
both,
including
and
excluding
changes
at
other
jurisdictions
like
the
state
and
then
five?
C
I
know
that
was
a
lot,
but
those
those
were
things
that,
at
least
at
the
time
of
referral
to
this
subcommittee,
were
definitely
at
the
fourth
front
of
my
mind
and-
and
I
definitely
wanna
reading
those
over
again.
I
want
to
make
sure
that
those
are
things.
At
least
you
know
maybe
putting
the
cart
before
the
horse
on
a
few
of
these,
but
at
least
part
of
the
conversation
as
we
continue
on
down
the
road
here,.
F
C
A
Also,
just
real
quick
just
for
all
the
commissioners
in
2017
on
pcr
staff
had
built
out
like
a
coaching
overview
dashboard
that
was,
it
was
a
follow-up
on
previous
work
that
was
being
done
with
the
pcoc
I
think
in
2014..
So
I
get
I
just
provided
the
link
to
that.
Obviously
it
goes
through
2017,
so
it's
still
fairly
timely,
but
it
was
just
it
has
a
breakdown
of
you
know
various
cases.
What
was
coach?
What
wasn't
what
were
the
allegations
like?
A
C
Let's
have
a
short
conversation
about
the
matter
of
feasibility
and
if
the
clerk
and
or
staff
has
any
input
on
the
feasibility
of
gathering
information,
you
know
being
able
to
disclose
data.
You
know,
subsequent
to
you,
know
what
what
is
currently
available
right
now.
I
encourage
any
staff,
if
possible,
to
kind
of
help
us
out
here
and
talk
us
through
what,
where
this
sort
of
conversation
lies
in
terms
of
feasibility.
A
Sure
I
can
jump
in
here,
so
I
mean
to
the
note
that
was
made
by
commissioner
pinau
and
casey
earlier
there's.
I
think
that
this
is
going
to
dovetail
with
the
presentation
that's
going
to
be
made
to
the
group,
but
I
believe
it's
next
month
or
one
of
the
upcoming
meeting,
so
there
you
know,
depending
on
like
that
discussion
that
could
impact
more
of
you
know
this
group's
work
around
this
topic,
but
I
think
you
know
for
right
now.
A
You
know
there's
no
reason
that
there
still
can't
be
kind
of
an
ongoing.
You
know
preliminary
discussion,
and
so
I
think
that
it's
important
for
the
group
to
sort
of
establish
you
know
what
like
what
are
the
things
we're
trying
to
answer-
and
I
know
you
know
like
the
recommendations
and
the
things
that
have
been
discussed
previously,
involve
you
know
the
use
of
coaching
by
mpd
specifically
involved.
A
You
know
whether
or
not
you
know
like
a
belief
that
something
like
can
or
can't
be
done,
and
so
I
think
some
of
those
are
discussions
that
you
know.
That's
not
my
place
to
wait
on
this.
You
know
when
it
gets
into
the
legal
opinion
side,
that's
the
city
attorney
as
far
as
the
process
itself.
That's
mpd.
A
However,
I
think
looking
at
this-
and
it
sounds
like
there
might
be
some
of
this
in
the
next
meeting
in
the
presentation
that's
going
to
be
given
to
the
pcoc
as
a
whole,
but
is
there
an
interest
in
the
group
on
you
know
and
kind
of
determining
what
you
know?
What
does
the
landscape
look
like
around
this?
You
know
what
you
know.
I
know
that
this
is
something
that
you
know:
there's
equivalence
in
a
variety
of
jurisdictions
or
sorry,
I
mean
other
municipalities
in
relation
to
law
enforcement.
A
It's
you
know
we
want
to
look.
Do
we
want
to
explore
how
it's
used
there?
You
know
what
are
the
criteria
for
it?
You
know
and
kind
of
to
do
a
comparison
across
the
board.
In
that
respect.
You
know.
I
know
I
just
sent
it
over,
but
you
can
take
a
look
at
the
tableau
dashboard
that
we
have
from
2017
kind
of
see
if
there's
any
opinions
that
are
formed
from
that.
A
You
know
if
it's
some
kind
of
a
follow-up
on
that
or
if
that
answers
enough
questions,
but
yeah
I
mean,
I
think,
that's
sort
of
you
know.
My
ask
to
the
group:
is
you
know,
and
it's
hard
to
do,
while
we're
still
having
all
these
other
discussions?
That
might
you
know
bring
something
else
to
the
table
that
you
want
to
add
in,
but
I
think
that
determining
you
know
what
the
question
that
work
that
we
want
answered
is
going
to
be.
So
I
see
casey's
my
hand
is
up
so
stop
talking.
B
A
B
And
make
sure
that
one
thing
that's
one
thing
the
subcommittee
may
want
to
consider
is
how
it
could
maintain
that
dashboard.
It
would
obviously
require
you
know
some
inter-agency
coordination
between
civil
rights
mpd,
which
which
housed
the
data
and
produced
the
dashboard
it,
which
is
the
back
end,
support
and
my
office
in
terms
of
data
privacy
and
public
data
access.
B
C
Yeah,
I
think
that
that
I
mean
that
thank
you
for
the
two
of
you
having
that
exchange.
That
kind
of
brought
that
to
light,
I
think,
from
my
opinion,
up-to-date
information
is
always
best
right
and-
and
I
totally
understand
mr
hawkins
is
working
with
the
materials
that
he
has,
but
if
we
can
help
facilitate
more
up-to-date
materials
and
and
make
sure
that
that
is
something
that
is
in
recommended
in
due
time.
That
might
be,
you
know,
definitely
something
we
we
can
consider.
C
But
you
know
potentially-
and
I
assume
questions
will
come
from
that
presentation
as
well-
is
that
I
mean
I
know
that
was
a
very
broad
and
abstract
brush
that
I
just
painted
over
all
of
these
more
in-depth
questions.
But
is
that
roughly
getting
at
what
this
body
wants
as
a
foundational
formation
of
this
sort
of
study?
It's
it's
more
of
an
exploration
of
understanding,
coaching
as
a
process
and
how
it
relates
in
the
larger
external
environment.
C
We
can
table
this
discussion
for
right
now,
pending
the
presentation
at
the
the
full
commission,
and
we
can
bring
this
up
at
our
next
meeting
once
we
have
a
better
understanding
of
how
we
want
to
move
forward
and
how
we
want
to
direct
staff
to
begin
that,
research
no
sense
in
having
them
attempt
to
create
the
same
wheel
that
will
be
created
at
our
next
meeting.
Does
that
informally
sound
fair
to
the
the
two
other
commissioners?
Here,
okay,.
C
I
think
that
it
was
a
great
presentation
from
our
visitors
at
the
the
larger
commission
that
brought
this
to
our
attention.
I
think
it
definitely
sparked
interest
in
many
commissioners
of
of
our
commission,
and
I
think
that
if,
if
we
are
to
do
our
our
own
due
diligence,
I
think
it
would
only
be
fair
if
we
take
the
presentation
and
the
documentation
that
was
presented
to
us.
C
As
a
point
of
inspiration
and
trust,
but
verify
you
know,
make
sure
that
we
are
seeing
the
same
sort
of
you
know
points
that
they
are
seeing
the
same
evidence
that
they
have
presented
to
us.
And
then
we
can
start
forming
fundamental
questions
of
where
we're
at
versus,
where
other
people
may
or
may
not
be
at
the
gaps
in
between
where
we're
succeeding.
Where
we're
failing.
E
I
thought
I
thought
it
was
a
really
great
presentation
and
just
something
that
definitely
need
to
need
to
be
brought
to
light,
and
I
definitely
like
there's
a
lot
of
kind
of
holes.
We
can
hop
into
and
and
and
really
see
what
the
you
know
what
the
reality
is
like
in
reference
to
how
like
how
kids
are
affected,
or
our
families
or
people.
You
know
people
are
blessed
in
the
homes
and
just
like.
C
F
Presentation
no
questions
I
mean
I
I
I'm
pretty
biased
already.
I
find
no
knock
warrants
to
be
totally
unacceptable
and
virtually
without
benefit.
I
think
it's
just
a
huge
invasion
of
privacy
by
the
state,
so
I
don't
have
a
lot
to
add
other
than
that.
Although
commissioner
crockett
made
a
very
good
point
about
if
we
were
going
to
study
something
like
the
exam,
his
example
was
great.
G
F
C
C
One
thing
that
I
I
think
is
you
know
at
the
end
of
the
day,
something
that
will
make
or
break
the
acceptance
or
rejection
of
no
knock
warrants
as
a
policy
perspective
is
its
effectiveness,
and
I
would
love
to
see
data
on
whether
or
not
no
knock
warrants
and
the
you
know
the
trade-off
of
not
identifying
yourself
and
providing
that
time
for
someone
to
come
to
the
door
in
a
non
combative
way.
Actually,
you
know
creates
a
a
certain,
significant
effectiveness
in
safely.
F
The
last
meeting
correctly
somebody
brought
up
like
something
we
could
look
at,
for
example,
would
be
the
just
a
number
of
arrests
that
came
from
no
knock
warrants
and
I
wanted
to.
I
don't
remember
if
I
spoke
up
at
that
time,
but
I
think
that
the
number
of
arrests
is
pretty
irrelevant
yeah.
I
think
we've
seen
certainly
with
the
protest
that
police
will
just
have
a
tendency
to
arrest
people
for
little
or
no
reason
whether
they
arrest
you
doesn't
really
matter.
C
C
I
can't
remember
either,
but
you
know
I
I
I
was,
and
I
should
have
articulated
that
more
clearly
of
just
saying
you
know,
assuming
that
an
arrest
happens,
the
manner
in
which
an
arrest,
you
know
a
person,
ends
up
being
arrested
or
detained
in
some
way.
Is
there
a
difference
between
the
process
of
a
no
knock
warrant
versus
an
announced
warrant
and
is
one
considerably
safer
than
the
other
or
not
would
be
something
that
would
be
of
interest
to
me?.
F
A
Yeah
just
so
on
this
topic,
I
was
just
gonna
weigh
in
from
like
a
feasibility
standpoint.
I
know
we've
talked
about
there
being
kind
of
a
lot
that's
getting
put
on
the
plate
of
this
group,
so
like
looking
at
it
it's
kind
of
similar
to
what
we
just
were
talking
about
with
the
coaching
stuff.
I
think
that
that
meeting
next
month
will
be
valuable,
just
because
you
know
before
you
can
move
forward
on
any
of
this.
A
I
think
having
everybody
operating
kind
of
with
the
same
set
of
like
you
know,
like
the
same
understanding
as
opposed
to
you
know.
People
coming
at
it
from
different
angles
is
super
valuable.
So
with
this
I
think
it.
You
know
it's
a
super
relevant
and
super
worthwhile
topic
to
look
at,
but
I
think
it
breaks
down
into
two
different
categories
and
I
think
it's
up
to
the
group
as
far
as
what
direction
they
want
to
go,
because
I
think
one
of
them
is
a
lot
more
substantive.
In
terms
of
you
know
a
process.
A
That's
going
to
take
time.
You
know
like
a
lot,
much
larger
research
and
study.
Still
it's
just
as
valuable
but
yeah.
I
think
there's
also
an
avenue
here
that
could
produce
something.
That's
a
lot
more
tangible.
You
know
within
a
much
shorter
period
of
time
and
that
would
be
kind
of
taking
that
presentation
as
a
springboard
to
you
know,
look-
and
I
think
you
alluded
to
this
problem
previously
now
was
you
know
taking
this
and
looking
at
it?
A
You
know
whether
you
know
getting
some
analysis
just
to
verify
you
know
like,
like
you
know,
we
found
this
troubling
like
is
there
anybody
that
can
respond
to
this?
And
you
know
this
again,
like
you
know,
mpd
block
can
speak
to
their
stuff
with
you
know
like
much
more
confidence,
confidence
and
expertise,
but
like
one
of
the
ones
that
kind
of
jumped
out
to
me
when
it
was,
you
know
it
was
like.
Oh
when
they
reviewed
the
no
knock
process
was
like
well,
there's,
not
a
body
camera.
A
You
know
requirement
but,
like
you
know,
however,
I'm
like
I'm
pretty
sure
that
there's
a
different
you
know
there's
a
different
requirement
for
body
camera
activation
in
the
mpd
policy.
That's
just
not
inherently
it's
just
it's
not
also
included
in
this,
so
I
I
mean
my
my
like
my
way
of
reading.
It
would
have
been
that
like
well,
it's
implied
that
that
already
had
to
have
happened,
because
this
meets
the
criteria
of
the
other
policy.
But
that's
something
we're
like
you
know
getting.
You
know
someone
from
mpd
to
speak
to
that.
A
You
know
as
a
subject
matter
expert
so
that
we
can
kind
of
clarify
like
where
are
the
holes
and
then
also
I
mean
you
know
it's
not
any
surprise.
This
is
a
topic.
That's
you
know
like
being
studied
nationally,
so
I
think,
there's
prob,
you
know,
there's
there's
a
lot
of
research
out
there
already
about
national
best
practices,
there's
a
lot
of
data
that
already
exists
and
so
being
able
to.
A
Maybe
you
know
like
take
the
policy
once
we
have
an
understanding
for
what
mpd's
you
know
actually
looks
like,
and
you
know,
if
there's
any
inconsistencies
with
you
know
the
way
that
some
of
these
other
groups
have
reported
on
it.
We've
got
that
and
having
the
ability
to
take
that
and
compare
that
to
the
national
best
practices.
You
know
what
other
jurisdictions
are
doing.
You
know
why
they're
doing
it
and
identifying
any
issues
and
then
being
able
to
kind
of
put
forth.
A
You
know
a
white
paper
on
that
that
makes
some
recommendations
where
it's
like.
You
know,
hey
this.
You
know
we
found
this
this
and
this,
and
that
was
in
line
with
best
practices.
That's
great,
however,
here's
some
areas
that
you
know
we're
troubled
by
that
we'd
like
to
see
addressed,
I
mean
I
would
think
that
would
be
something
that
could
get
done
pretty
expeditiously
and
then
you
know,
however,
doing
that,
doesn't
you
know
that
doesn't
eliminate.
You
know
the
idea
that
you
can
go
in
this
other
direction
too.
A
With
you
know
that
would
be
the
deeper
dive
into
the
data
where
it's
like.
Well,
you
know
outside
of
the
policy
now
being
good
and
in
line
with
best
practices.
Is
this
even
necessary?
What
are
the
outcomes?
You
know
you
know
like
what
do
we
still
find
troubling
like
that,
can
still
be
an
issue,
even
if
the
policy
itself
is
addressed
so
just
in
trying
to
you
know
again
like
weigh
in
with
my
two
cents
for
whatever
that's
worth
like.
A
C
And-
and
I
think
that's
that's
a
great
idea
and
kind
of
the
initial
viewpoint
that
that
I
had
as
well
of
trying
to
get
something
out
quickly,
but
only
to
the
extent
that
we
have
a
a
solid
understanding
of
where
the
city
currently
is
in
terms
of
no
knock
warrants
the
you
know
how
it
compares
to
other
jurisdictions
and
also
what
are
safe
alternatives.
What
are
you
know?
What
does
an
ideal
you
know
in
in
air
quotes?
What
does
an
ideal
warrant
look
like?
C
If,
if
so
or,
if
not,
why
or
why
not
and
really
just
understanding
the
lay
of
the
land
at
a
policy
level,
in
addition
to
the
presentation
that
we've
already
seen
I'd
love
for
us
to,
you
know
be
able
to
provide
our
own
answers
internally.
So
that
way
we
can
go
to
these
sorts
of
meetings
well
informed
and
say:
okay,
well,
we've
heard
there's,
you
know
x,
sort
of
alternative
happening
in
this
other
jurisdiction
somewhere.
What
are
npd's
thoughts
on
x?
You
know
I'm
seeing
nodding
heads.
G
C
D
C
Awesome
well,
the
the
one
final
question
before
we
move
on
from
that
would
be
capacity
and
responsibility
on
completing
that
mr
hawkins,
if
we
could
have
you
back
up,
you
mentioned
that.
That's
something
that
staff
would
be
able
to
take
the
lead
on
for
the
most
part
here,
and
I
I
would
assume
by
our
next
meeting
since
it's
being
held
here
internally
it'll-
be
something
that
we
could
at
least
see
a
draft
of
a
month.
From
now.
A
A
C
C
C
H
Yes,
I
am
thank
you
chairpiuno,
I
am
cassidy
gardner
I
haven't
had
the
opportunity
to
meet
most
of
you.
You
see
her
pronouns,
I'm
with
the
civil
rights
equity
division
and
we
have
stepped
in
to
help
provide
some
support
to
opcr
related
to
data.
So
thank
you
for
your
patience
to
ground
everybody
in
what
this
question
was.
H
I
know
that
we
only
have
about
two
minutes,
so
I
just
wanted
to
give
you
a
very
brief
update,
there's
a
very
small
number
of
complaints
to
review
internally
to
our
complaint
process,
and
so
I
am
working
my
way
through
those
we
wanted
to
take
a
random
sample
to
see
if
any
of
those
complaints
had
to
do
with
interactions
where
gender
or
perceived
gender
was
not
taken
seriously
or
documented
correctly.
So
far
we
haven't
found
anything,
and
so
we've
shifted
our
focus
into
gathering
the
relevant
policies
and
statutes
and
similar
to
what
andrew
talked
about.
H
There
are
some
pretty
simple
policy
recommendations
that
could
come
out
of
this.
The
way
that
things
are
reported
here
at
the
city
on
a
police
report
then
translated
to
bca
information
for
the
minnesota
unified
crime
report
is
different
than
what
the
fbi
says.
There's
a
lot
around
perception
and
officers
perceived
race,
gender,
sexual
orientation,
that's
not
confirmed,
and
so
the
data
is
a
little
bit
messy
and
there
are
some
recommendations
around
policy
that
could
aid
in
at
least
having
cleaner
data.
H
The
other
updates
are
going
to
be
in
order
to
get
some
clarity
around
how
officers
are
trained
around
perceived
race
and
gender.
When
completing
reports
going
to
be
doing
an
interview
with
the
commander,
clander
blackwell
in
the
training.
As
you
are
well
aware,
it's
been
kind
of
a
crazy
time
for
everyone,
and
so
this
has
just
been
a
pretty
slow
process
because
it
just
hasn't
been
top
of
mind
on
my
my
that
falls
on
my
plate.
H
How
do
we
sample
jet
gender
non-conforming,
because,
right
now
the
distinction
is
male,
female
or
unknown,
and
so
there
just
needs
to
be
a
little
bit
of
finessing
and
how
we
kind
of
home
in
on
the
right
cases
to
see
if
there
is
a
there
there.
So
I
know
that
that
is
not
necessarily
moving
things
forward.
H
There's
not
a
lot
out
there,
because
the
fbi
defines
the
categories
for
bias
crimes.
The
male
female
binary
is
what
is
used
by
the
fbi
and
so
therefore,
by
the
bca,
therefore,
by
our
department
to
align
reporting,
but
that
doesn't
help
us
get
any
closer
to
figuring
out
one.
The
number
of
gender
non-conforming
people
who
are
having
interactions
with
the
police,
let
alone
how
many
are
not
having
bias
related
crimes
reported.
H
C
Okay,
well,
I
will
speak
for
myself
and
saying
I
completely
understand.
This
is
definitely
something
that
you
know
it's
worth
digging
into
because,
like
you
said
it's
concerning
that,
we
can't
find
answers,
you
know
and
that
and
try
as
we
might
it's.
That
is
part
of
the
problem
of
not
being
able
to
find
that
information.
C
C
H
It
has
been
a
shifting
timeline.
I
did
have
a
timeline,
but
my
division
just
had
a
staff
member
leave
and
so
I'm
stepping
into
the
role
in
to
a
role.
That
is
very
time
intensive
at
this
very
moment,
but
I
can
do
my
best
to
get
you
something
and
chairpino.
I
can
forward
that
on
to
you
that
you
can
then
look
I'm
hoping
in
the
next
by
by
q2
the
end
of
q2,
but
I
honestly,
I
don't
have
an
answer
for
you
right
at
this
moment.
C
F
C
C
I
Hello,
this
is
dave
picking
and
I
very
much
appreciate
the
work
you're
doing
here
on
all
these
topics.
I
just
had
one
a
little
concern
is
that
I
looked
back
at
the
minutes
from
the
previous
meeting
and
the
links
on
that
are
all
broken.
The
links
oh
geez,
regarding
policing
in
respect
to
protests
and
that's
something
that
we
in
cuapb
are
studying
right
now,
so
just
just
wanted
to
mention
that,
in
the
hopes
that
those
links
can
be
restored
by
the
clerk
or
by
somebody.
C
B
Yeah,
I
was
just
gonna,
say
mr
chair
to
mr
bicking
into
anyone
else
who
may
be
listening
as
the
city
transitioned
to
a
brand
new
web
platform.
Several
of
those
links
from
prior
agendas
prior
meetings
that
go
back
from
last
year
and
and
even
further
back
have
been
broken
just
due
to
capacity
issues.
These
are
a
find
it
and
fix
it.
B
There's
no
cure
all
to
address
all
of
the
broken
links,
and
so
we
are
catching
those
as
we
can
so
with
mr
bicking,
raising
that
to
attention,
of
course,
we'll
get
to
work
on
fixing
those
things.
But
it's
just
it's.
It's
not
an
intentional
thing.
Obviously,
and
I
don't
mean
to
imply
that
it
was
it's
simply
a
matter
of
moving
to
a
better
platform,
has
lots
of
broken
links
and
so
we're
addressing
those
as
quickly
as
we
can.