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Good
evening,
commissioners,
I'm
rob
scalecki
city
planner
in
the
historic
preservation
section
of
cped.
This
presentation
is
for
planning.
Commission
committee
of
the
whole
comment
for
review
of
the
mary
lochran.
I'm
sorry.
This
is
for
the
tyler
street
northeast
john
cookhouse,
the
mary
lochran
student
rooming
homes,
historic
district,
is
after
this.
I
I
I
The
subject
property
is
a
representative
of
the
development
of
northeast
minneapolis
and
the
growth
of
the
city
following
annexation
of
land
in
northeast
minneapolis
residents
of
the
tyler
street,
northeast
john
cookhouse
in
the
late
19th
and
early
20th
centuries
we're
a
mix
of
middle
and
working
class
owners
and
tenants
whose
occupations,
workplaces
and
cultural
origins
are
greatly
characteristic
of
this
area
of
the
city.
At
this
time,
the
property
remains
as
an
excellent
remnant
of
the
built
and
social
history
of
this
part
of
minneapolis.
I
I
As
you
may
know,
in
its
review,
the
city
planning
commission
shall
consider
but
not
limited
to
the
following
factors,
which
is
the
relationship
of
the
proposed
designation
to
the
city's
comprehensive
plan.
The
effect
of
the
proposed
designation
on
the
surrounding
area
and
the
consistency
of
the
proposed
designation
with
the
applicable
development
plans
or
development
objectives
adopted
by
city
council.
I
As
for
relationship
to
the
proposed
the
proposed
designation
to
the
city's
comprehensive
designation
plan,
the
future
land
use
of
the
property
is
identified
as
coral
mixed
use
in
minneapolis,
2040.
quartermix
use
includes
a
range
of
competing
uses
and
a
range
of
allowed
building
types
with
mixed
use,
multi-story
development
and
courage.
I
I
I
The
proposed
designation
would
have
no
impact
again
on
the
build
form
of
the
subject
property
and
supports
the
built
form
district
for
the
area.
The
multiple
family
dwelling
is
two
and
a
half
stories
and
it's
been
historically
tied
to
transit
trends
around
central
avenue
northeast
in
that
corridor.
Since
the
streetcar
era,
while
the
subject
building
is
on
the
lower
end
of
the
transit
10
building
height
scale,
the
dwelling
remains
as
an
excellent
and
unique
architectural
example
of
city
development,
tied
to
historic
demographic,
commercial
and
transportation
trends
in
the
area.
I
The
first
policy
60
is
intrinsic
value
of
properties,
increase
awareness,
understanding
and
appreciation
of
the
economic
and
intrinsic
value
of
older
properties.
Important
to
the
city's
heritage.
The
tyler
street
northeast
john
cookhouse
is
a
significant
example
of
an
intact
queen
anne
dwelling
in
minneapolis,
and
remains
as
one
of
the
best
examples
of
this
style
in
northeast
minneapolis.
I
Landmark
designation
would
protect
the
home
for
years
to
come
and
allow
for
increased
awareness,
appreciation
intrinsic
and
potential
economic
value.
For
this
unique
piece
of
the
city's
architectural
and
social
history
policy
92
is
to
identify
and
evaluate
historic
resources,
continue
to
identify,
examine
and
evaluate
historic
contexts
and
historic
resources,
with
the
focus
on
communities
that
have
been
traditionally
underrepresented.
I
Anne
style
of
this
property
and
has
the
property
has
been
identified
as
among
the
best
examples
of
a
brick
queen
and
dwelling
that
retains
and
conveys
the
significance
to
this
particular
style
and
era
of
development
in
northeast
minneapolis
and,
lastly,
policy
93
is
for
stewarding
historic
properties,
preserve,
maintain
and
encourage
the
adaptive,
reuse
of
historic
districts,
landmarks
and
historic
resources,
especially
in
locations
that
have
experienced
disinvestment
historic
preservation.
Regulations
that
do
come
with
historic
designation
would
encourage
the
retention
of
this
significant
community
resource.
I
That
was
sent,
but
the
presentation,
the
preservation
of
the
subject
property,
is
compatible
with
these
recommendations
that
are
stated
in
this
plan
and
the
strategy
objectives
as
well.
The
architectural
significance
of
the
building
has
been
a
part
of
the
area's
built
identity
for
over
a
century,
and
it's
identifiable
as
a
place
that
retains
authenticity
to
the
area's
character.
I
A
E
I
That's
a
that's
a
fair
question.
We
have
not
received
comment
from
the
property
owner
we've
reached
out
to
the
property
owner
a
few
times
following
when
the
designation
study
was
started
in
the
first
place
as
well
as
recently
for
the
actual
designation
staff
report
was
published
online
and
staff
reached
out
to
the
property
over
that
time
too.
But
we
haven't
received
any
comments
from
the
property
owner
on
this.
Yet.
J
And
commissioner
meyer
a
point
of
clarification,
you
know
there
will
be
a
public
hearing
on
this
before
the
heritage
preservation
commission.
So
the
planning
commission's
role
at
committee
the
whole
is
to
review
and
typically
at
committee
the
whole.
We
don't
necessarily
invite
public
comment
if
we
don't
have
an
applicant
involved,
which
is
the
case
here.
E
F
I
Unfortunately,
that
wasn't
included
in
a
time
that
would
have
been
able
to
be
attached
to
the
documents
sent
to
you
30
days
before
this
meeting
and
shippo's.
A
role
in
this
is
basically
similar
to
your
role
to
comment
on
it
from
their
perspective
as
the
state
government
agency,
whether
they
believe
the
property
is
in
line
with
what
the
city
of
minneapolis
uses
for
designation
within
it's
it's
a
certified
local
government
and
they
they
use
the
same
criteria
across
that
to
determine
whether
or
not
properties
are
good
candidates
for
local
designation.
F
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This
building
appears
to
be
in
disrepair
and
would
giving
this
type
of
landmark
status
to
it,
open
it
up
to
grants
or
other
opportunities
for
funding.
What
I
was
aware
of
historical
preservation
is
that
sometimes
making
modifications
to
the
building
can
be
quite
tricky
because
of
the
status
in
terms
of
permitting
and
keeping
with
the
original
intent
of
the
the
design.
I
It
depends
on
what
the
definition
of
repair
is
in
the
situation.
I
would
say,
but
to
your
previous
question
as
well,
there
may
be
financial
incentives
for
this,
but
unfortunately
not
at
the
city
level
at
this
time.
So
if
the
property
owner
would
want
to
pursue
potential
further
national
register
historic
places
listing
and
work
with
the
state
historic
preservation
office
to
determine
if
incentives
are
available
for
rehabilitation
work
on
the
property,
I
think
that's
definitely
an
option.
But
at
this
point
you
know
this
city
does
not
have
financial
incentive
programs
for
rehabilitation
of
landmarks.
H
Thanks,
commissioner,
thanks
steph
really
interesting
report.
I,
as
you
context
this
I
mean
you
mentioned-
that
it's
a
terrific
example
of
of
this
type
of
architecture
and
style.
How
do
you
context
in
the
city?
Are
there
other
examples?
Is
this
the
only
one
is.
Do
we
understand
this?
If
we
don't
give
us
that
it's
kind
of
the
last
of
its
kind,
or
is
this
a
group
of
buildings
that
existed
in
the
city
that
were
trying
to
preserve
all
of
them?
I
Definitely
yeah
so
this
was
actually
first
identified
through
survey
through
a
survey
of
northeast
minneapolis,
as
you
may
have
seen
in
the
study
it
was
identified
in
2004
and
at
that
point
it's
identified
as
a
very
good
example
of
brick,
queen
and
style.
You
know
as
the
city's
preservation
staff.
I
just
know
from
being
familiar
with
buildings
in
this
part
of
the
city,
that
it
is
a
very
rare
type
of
building
to
have
a
cream
brick
queen
anne
building
of
this
massing,
and
that's
where
it's
determined.
H
A
E
Thank
you,
okay,
so
in
the
the
seven
different
criteria
that
the
city
has
that
you
evaluated,
you
found
that
this
property
fit
two
of
the
criteria
out
of
the
seven
for
designation,
and
I
just
wanted
to
ask
for
that
to
be
put
into
context
like
because
I
don't
have
a
lot
of
familiarity
with
precedence
for
other
properties.
But
how
many
criteria
are
projects
typically
expected
to
meet?
E
I
I
That's
determined
to
be
a
non-contributing
part
of
this
that
was
outlined
too
in
the
designation
study.
So
a
proposed
demolition
of
that
may
be
easy
er
to
approve.
Then
you
know
if
anything
else
were
to
have
been
on
that
parcel.
So
that's
something
that
we
do
understand,
maybe
maybe
looked
at
in
the
future.
B
F
Thank
you,
commissioner,
meyer
began
his
questions
by
saying
that
there's
attention
and
there's
always
a
tension
between
various
considerations
in
naming
designating
something
historic.
I
I
that
is
always
true,
and
I
are
often
true-
and
there
are
certainly
some
tensions
here
right,
but
looking
at
the
property
and
reading
the
history
in
the
report,
I
I
think
it's
it
simply
is
a
significant
architectural
historical
building
and
is
worthy
of
being
preserved.
A
Thank
you,
commissioner
ford.
I'm
not
seeing
other
questions
or
comments,
so
I
have
a
question
for
staff,
I'm
wondering
in
this
report
and
in
the
next
one
that
we're
about
to
see
there
was
reference
to
small
area
plans,
and
you
know
in
the
it
was
my
understanding
that
in
the
2040
plan,
all
the
small
area
plans
would
be
absorbed
into
the
2040
plan
and
that
the
small
area
plans
wouldn't
really
be
something
we'd
be
considering
anymore.
So
just
wondering
if
someone
could
say
something
about
that.
J
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A
I
I
Again,
my
name
is
rob
scalecki,
I'm
a
city
planner
in
the
historic
preservation
section
of
cped,
and
this
is
a
presentation
for
planning.
Commission
committee
of
the
whole
comment
and
review
of
the
mary
lochran
student
rooming
homes,
historic
district,
which
includes
three
dwellings
located
at
1103
4th
street
southeast
406,
11th
avenue,
southeast
and
410
11th
avenue.
Southeast
staff
is
recommending
that
the
mary
lochran
student,
rooming
homes,
historic
district,
be
designated
as
a
historic
district.
I
I
As
such
staff
finds
that
the
properties
has
have
significance
under
criteria,
one
for
significant
events
and
patterns
of
development,
for
criteria,
three
for
distinctive
elements
of
neighborhood
identity
and
their
connection
to
residential
dinky
town
and
the
university
of
minnesota
area
residences
and
criteria.
Six
for
works
of
a
master
architect
for
a
collection
of
william
kenyon
design
dwellings.
I
Again
in
its
review,
the
city
planning
commission
shall
consider
but
not
be
limited
to
the
relationship
of
the
post,
designation
to
the
city's
comprehensive
plan.
The
effect
of
the
proposed
designation
on
the
surrounding
area
and
the
consistency
of
the
proposed
designation
with
applicable
development
plans
or
development
objectives
adopted
by
city
council.
I
I
did
send
a
memo
earlier
today,
following
up
from
the
previous
memo
sent
a
month
back
just
clarifying
that
the
future
land
use
for
the
properties
in
the
district
is
identified
as
community
mixed
use
in
minneapolis
2040
comprehensive
plan.
The
previous
memo
sent
a
month
ago
had
incorrectly
stated
the
properties
were
core
or
mixed
use.
I
I
Currently
the
area's
medium
density
and
high
density
residential
with
nearby
institutional
and
commercial
uses,
the
proposed
designation
would
have
no
impact
on
the
current
use
of
the
subject
properties.
The
properties
would
not
conform
to
the
identified
future
land
use
for
parcels
in
their
concern
for
the
parcel
in
their
current
and
historic
use.
I
I
The
dwellings
have
been
intertwined
or
identified
as
a
significant
example
of
a
group
of
student
rooming
homes
that
are
best
able
to
collectively
communicate
this
history
and
the
properties
have
retained
their
use.
For
over
100
years,
the
mary
lochran
student
rooming
homes,
historic
district,
has
been
historically
tied
to
transit,
commercial
and
institutional
trends
that
developed
and
the
development
patterns
that
are
characteristic
of
this
area.
I
The
future
built
form
guidance
for
the
properties
has
been
identified
as
corridor
6
in
minneapolis
2040.
quarter,
6
is
applied
along
high
frequency
transit
routes,
as
well
as
near
metro
stations.
Buildings
in
corridor
6
should
reflect
a
variety
of
building
types
and
building
heights
should
be
between
two
and
six
stories.
I
I
The
properties
retain
good
historic
integrity
to
communicate
their
collective
identity
as
dwellings
that
represent
the
student,
cultural
identity
of
dinky,
town
and
related
growth
of
the
university
of
minnesota.
Local
designation
would
highlight
this
unique
collection
of
dwellings
built
by
master
architect
and
characteristic
of
his
work.
I
The
properties
are
on
and
adjacent
to
4th
street
southeast
and
are
blocks
from
the
heart
of
commercial
dinky
town
and
the
university
of
minnesota
campus.
The
buildings
have
again
historically
been
intertwined
with
transportation,
commercial,
academic,
institutional
and
social
patterns
that
grew
up
around
this
area.
I
As
for
the
consistency
with
the
proposed
of
the
proposed
designation
with
applicable
development
plans
or
development
objectives
adopted
by
city
council,
as
we
previously
stated,
this
may
not
be
relevant,
but
it
was
analyzed
in
staff
memo
I'll,
just
state
that
the
proposed
designation
complies
with
the
historic
resources
policy
set
forth
with
the
previously
applicable
small
area
plan,
which
was
the
marcy
holmes.
Neighborhood
master
plan
that
was
completed
in
2014..
I
The
dwellings
are
associated
with
the
university
life
trends
of
students
living
close
to
campus
and
the
fabric
and
culture
of
the
area.
The
subject
properties
exist
as
excellent
historic,
architectural
examples
of
student
rooming
homes,
and
with
that
for
this
one,
I
will
take
any
questions
as
well,
but
I'm
happy
to
hear
your
comments.
Thank
you.
E
So
I'm
really
opposed
to
this
one,
and
I
just
want
to
contrast
it
with
the
one
that
we
just
reviewed
where
I
I
do
think
in
the
previous
one.
You
know
there
was
a
legitimate
case
to
make
for
the
historic
reservation,
even
though
it
competed
with
a
lot
of
other
objectives
of
the
2040
plan.
It
met
the
historic
ones.
I
don't
feel
that
this
one
does
at
all,
and
you
know
I
live
in
this
neighborhood.
E
I
really
value
the
historic
preservation
that
the
hpc
has
done
in
a
lot
of
different
areas.
I'm
really
grateful
for
all
the
beautiful
buildings
you
know
that
are
protected
in
the
fifth
street
historic
district
in
the
greek,
slash
university,
historic
district
and
and
in
dinky
town.
You
know
for
buildings
like
the
dinky
dale
building
or
the
building
that
espresso
oil
used
to
be
in
or
al's
breakfast
or
just
so
many
other
buildings
that
have
you
know
really
clear
historic
value.
E
E
E
You
know
I
I
feel,
and
you
know
another
point
of
contrast.
You
know
the
property
that
we
just
looked
at
was
identified.
As
you
know,
a
potential
landmark
in
2004.,
the
greek,
slash,
university
and
historic
district
was
done
in
in
2003
and
includes
you
know
a
lot
of
historically
valuable
buildings
nearby.
These
three-
and
quite
normally,
you
know,
did
not
include
these
three.
E
I
I
feel
like
this
is
motivated
in
part,
because
you
know
there
was
a
development
proposal
for
these
sites
and
there's
there's
been
a
lot
of
opposition
to
increased
density
in
the
neighborhood.
I
feel
like
that's
what
this
is
more
about
is
just
trying
to
oppose
more
density,
but
the
2040
plan
has
an
opposite
goal.
You
know
this
is
a
corridor
six
space.
E
The
e-line
brt
is
planned
to
be
built
next
to
here,
and
you
know,
I
I
think
that
the
goals
that
the
2040
plan
has
around
climate
and
access
to
public
transit
and
increased
housing
should
easily
outweigh
the
negligible
value
that
these
would
be
provided
in
terms
of
historic
value.
I
also
just
want
to
note
the
the
irony
of
you
know:
protecting
the
rooming
houses
that
the
city
made
illegal
to
build.
E
The
buildings
have
been
historically
intertwined
with
transportation,
commercial
and
academic,
institutional
and
social
patterns
which
grew
around
this
area.
So
in
that
statement
there
were
a
few
things
that
that
were
said
that
I
feel
should
lead
to
the
opposite
conclusion
of
what
staff
reached
I
mean
if
we're
trying
like
if,
if
student
housing
like
providing
more
student,
housing,
more
density,
more
access
to
public,
transit
and
and
higher
sustainability
are
all
goals
have
been.
E
Then
we
should
support
allowing
this
to
be
turned
into
the
the
higher
density
project
that
was
proposed
and
that
passed
the
planning
commission
last
year
that
would
provide
more
students
access
to
the
public
transit
corridor
in
a
more
sustainable
way.
So
I
I
guess
you
know,
I
would
really
urge
other
commissioners,
the
hpc
and
the
council
to
reject
this
designation.
A
G
I
Thank
you.
These
three
were
actually
proposed
for
demolition.
In
april
of
2020.,
the
demolition
was
denied
by
the
hpc
after
they
believed
that
the
properties
seemed
to
hold
significance
as
a
district.
The
demolitions
were
heard
individually
for
each
three
properties,
so
the
hpc
at
that
point
denied
the
demolitions
of
these
three.
They
placed
the
properties
under
interproduction
and
they
called
for
this
study
to
be
written.
I
I
They
were
built
as
speculative
rental
properties
in
the
study
staff.
Clarifies
that
it's,
it
can't
be
determined
for
sure
how
the
properties
were
built,
the
fact
that
they
were
built
as
speculative
rentals
and
they
at
first
served
as
select
single
family
and
select
multi-family.
Then
before
they
transition
fully
to
student
use.
We
can't
determine
exactly
why
they
were
built,
but
based
on
the
development
patterns
of
the
era
based
on
the
development
of
both
the
commercial
dinkytown
era
area
in
that
century,
as
well
as
the
university
of
minnesota.
I
She
ended
up
advertising
the
properties
for
student
use,
probably
realizing
that
it
was
destined
to
be
used
by
students
based
on
the
trends
of
the
air,
the
area,
so
they
we
are
unsure
of
exactly
why
they
were
built.
They
were
built
as
speculative
rental
properties.
We
know
that,
but
it
doesn't
seem
like
the
property
owner
had
a
specific
tenant
in
mind
when
these
were
rented
in
the
first
place.
F
F
It
seemed
to
me
to
be
reasonable.
If
you
were
walking
down
the
street,
you
could
say:
look
at
those
big
single
family
houses
and
typical
of
many
big
single
family
houses
in
the
city.
So
it's
it
seems
to
me
like
reaching
to
the
issue
of.
There
were
student
housing
where
nothing
on
the
outside
tells
you
that
is,
is
in
fact
reaching,
and
I
mean
it
could.
A
J
No,
so
this
will
go
for
the
heritage
preservation
commission
for
action
that
would
include
a
public
hearing
and,
as
part
of
the
package
of
materials
that's
put
together
for
the
heritage
preservation
commission
meeting
the
comments
received
by
the
planning
commission
would
be
included.
Just
like
you
can
see
in
your
staff
report
attachments.
There's
a
placeholder
for
comments
from
shippo
planning.
Commission
comments
are
included
in
that
and
forwarded
on
to
the
hpc
for
consideration.
J
F
J
F
J
So
it
relates
to
how
this
has
reflected
what
the
options
are
for
actions
in
our
legislative
management
system
called
limbs.
So
because
this
is
not
an
action
item
on
our
agenda.
It's
just
for
review
and
comment.
If
the
planning
commission
decided
that
they
wanted
to
take
some
sort
of
other
action
at
the
end,
it
would
just
be
review
and
comment.
That's
the
only
option.
F
I
F
J
L
Thank
you,
commissioner.
Olson
yeah.
I
just
want
to
provide
a
different
point
of
view
than
the
one
that
I've
been
hearing
most
of
the
time.
You
know
the
hpc
exists
for
a
reason
and
they
have
a
different
purpose
and
a
different
reason
than
we
do,
and
I
think
that
I
think
that
I
don't.
I
don't
have
a
problem
with
this
designation.
This
sounds
historically
significant
to
me
to
me.
It
doesn't
matter
what
it
looks
like
when
you
walk
down
the
street.
L
The
city
is
a
big
place
with
a
lot
of
competing
interests
and
a
lot
of
important
things,
and
I
think
I
actually
support
the
staff
recommendation
here,
whether
it's
one
house
or
three
houses
or
thirty-
and
I
think
it's
important-
and
I
find
some
of
the
con
comments-
actually
a
little
bit
dismissive.
Well,
we
could
put
something
bigger
there.
L
You
know,
there's
you
know,
take
a
look
at
lost
twin
cities,
the
documentary
in
the
book
sometime,
if
you
want
to
see
where
that
kind
of
thinking
I
think,
has
gotten
us
over
the
years-
and
I
think
this
kind
of
work
put
in
by
staff
has
a
great
deal
of
value
and
the
hpc
commissioners
are
selected
for
their
expertise
and
all
of
that
and
I
think
when
they
should
get
deference,
they
should
I'm
glad
that
we
have
the
opportunity
to
review
this.
But
I
think
that
this
is
really
their
call.
H
Thanks,
I
I
I
like,
commissioner
ford,
I
think
I'm
I'm
struggling
a
bit
with
this.
I
I
find
the
fact
that
there
are
three
buildings
here
by
one
architect
and
they
I
mean
they're
charming
and
I,
but
I
don't
know
if
that
necessarily
defines
a
district,
and
I
guess
I'm
struggling
with
the
designation
and
criteria,
one
the
fact
that
they
will
be
built
as
spec
houses.
Initially,
that
then
became
student
residents.
H
D
Hi,
I
wanted
to
say
thank
you
to
commissioner
sweezie
for
her
comments.
I've
been
sitting
here
looking
at
these
three
houses
and
realizing
what
it
was
that
was
attracting
me
to
them
so
much.
These
are
the
homes
that
I
grew
up
around
and
you
know
I
grew
up
in
north
minneapolis.
My
the
home
I
originally
lived
in
was
where
franklin
field
is
franklin
middle
school
field.
It
was
a
house
that
is
very
similar
to
the
one
in
the
center,
except
it
was
a
big
white
porch.
D
So
there
is
that
connection
for
me,
but
my
my
my
comment
is:
is
that
we've
gotten
really
really
good
about
tearing
down
old
things?
I
just
feel
like
we've
gotten
to
a
place
where
I'm
all
for
density,
but
I
do
see
the
historic,
the
need
for
historic
preservation
for
these
three
houses.
You
know,
I
think,
about
some
of
the
places
that
I've
traveled
around
in
the
the
country,
and
I
was
in
new
york
about
a
year
or
so
ago.
D
I
don't
recall
the
exact
area
because
I
was
in
a
taxi
cab,
but
there
were
some
homes
that
looked
very
similar
to
this
and
they
were
surrounded
by
many
of
the
same
kinds
of
buildings
that
we're
building
now,
and
I
am
I
yes,
I
was
a
little
off
by
some
of
the
comments
about
the
way
that
they
look
or,
but
I
I
guess,
I'm
in
a
place
where
I
understand
our
responsibility
on
this
planning.
Commission
and
I've
said
this
before
it's
kind
of
like
a
one-stop,
yellow
light.
Stop
there's.
D
No,
this
there's
no
real
action,
that's
happening
except
us,
having
a
conversation
about
what
we're,
what
we
are
being
presented,
which
I
appreciate,
because
I'm
learning
a
lot
about
city
development,
and
I
appreciate
that
and
I
have
a
lot
of
respect
for
the
comments
and
that
are
made
in
regards
to
the
work
that
we're
doing.
But
I
am
I
agree
with
commissioner
sweezie.
I
actually,
I
hope
that
they're
able
to
get
the
historic
preservation
that
I
think
these
homes
deserve.
D
We've
got
plenty
of
them
on
the
north
side
that
have
been
renovated
and
they're
quite
attractive
and
and
beautiful.
I
just
I
just
it's
a
shame
that
we
we're
constantly
trying
to
take
away
from
our
past
and
surround
ourselves
with
just
these
big
shiny
objects.
It's
just
for
me.
It's
almost
like
living
in
a
concrete
jungle
in
some
sense,
and
it's
just
unfortunate,
so
I
just
wanted
to
make
that
comment.
Thank
you.
C
Yeah
hi,
I
also
just
wanted
to
echo
commissioner
caprini
and
commissioner
sweezie's
comments.
I
also
I
like
these
buildings.
I
don't
you
know,
I
think
the
staff
report
was
so
thorough
and
was
really
fascinating.
The
more
you
read
about
them
and
the
history
of
the
lochrans
and
everyone,
I
think
that's
kind
of
what
historic
preservation
is
meant
to
do
is
make
you
think
and
make
you
know
the
history
of
your
city,
and
I
didn't
know
so
much
about
about
the
place
with
that.
C
So
I
I
think
you
know
again
also,
as
commissioner
sweetie
said,
hbc
asked
for
this
study
for
a
reason,
and
I
think
I
would
you
know
just
like
to
refer
to
them-
to
make
the
decision
in
the
final
call
based
on
their
expertise
and
tearing
it
down
for
another
empty
student
housing
building
for
now,
just
doesn't
doesn't
sit
well
with
me.
Thank
you.
This
is
my
comments.
G
Quick
question
for
staff:
this
situation
is
different
from
the
first,
because
the
property
owners
are
supportive
of
this
designation.
It
appears:
is
this
a
a
designation
that
a
property
owner
could
contest
or
remove
from
their
property
if
the
property
was
sold
in
the
future?
So
obviously
these
are
not
held
by
the
city.
G
I
Yeah
no
problem,
thanks
for
your
question,
designation,
does
last
as
long
as
it
does
it
lasts
for
pretty
much
ever
if,
unless
for
some
reason
a
property
is
de-designated,
which
I
don't
think
really
happens,
you
know
even
we've
had
parcels
where
parts
of
a
building
will
be.
You
know,
they'll
succumb
to
fire
or
something
like
that.
Unfortunately-
and
you
know
still
changes
that
go
on
on
that
parcel
of
the
parcels
are
still
designated
as
historic
properties
by
the
city.
I
I
I
E
So
just
wanted
to
correct
that,
so
it
sounds
like
you
know:
we've
heard
kind
of
divided
commentary,
so
I'm
I'm
curious
with
what
staff
would
do
with
that.
If
we
don't
take
a
formal
motion
on
the
letter
so
like
I'm
thinking
back
to
the
earlier
case
where
we
had
the
conservation
district
that
was
proposed
for
biden
mccoska,
and
I
think
we
had
pretty
unanimous
thoughts
on
that
and
we
and
then
staff
wrote
a
letter
commenting
in
opposition
to
the
conservation
district.
A
D
A
F
F
J
We
don't
have
a
precedent
for
doing
that.
It's
never
been
proposed.
It's
never
been
something
that
staff
has
looked
into
or
the
city
clerk's
office
has
ever
weighed
in
on.
So
if
the
commission
chooses
to
go
in
that
direction,
I
think
you
feel
free
to
do
that.
But
again
we
don't
have
a
precedent
for
that.
I
don't
know
that
we
want
to
set
one,
but
if
that's
the
will
of
the
commission
at
this
point
feel
free
to
go
ahead
and
make
a
motion,
and
we
can.
F
L
Yeah,
just
just
to
follow
up
on
that,
as
I
heard
it,
as
I
heard
everything
just
play
out
here,
irrespective
of
whether
there's
a
precedent,
we
had
a
question
and
it
was
determined
that
the
commission
did
not
speak
with
one
mind
on
this
issue
and
that
there
were
a
number
of
different
points
of
view
which
will
be
communicated
to
the
body
that
actually
has
to
take
action
on
on
this.
I
then
heard
commissioner
meyer
say
he
wished
to
bring
a
motion
anyway
to
see
if
there
would
be
unanimous
agreement.
L
And
frankly
I
even
though
there's
no
precedent
on
it.
I
think
that's,
I
think,
that's
a
bad
practice
to
get
into
forcing
people
to
vote
on
things
that
we're
not
going
to
be
voting
on
just
so
that
one
person
can
call
a
vote
on
something
when
all
we're
being
asked
to
do
is
give
feedback.
So
thank
you.
J
So
the
preservation
ordinance
is
written
to
allow
the
planning
commission
to
review
and
comment,
it's
not
asking
for
action
from
the
planning
commission,
which
is
why
it
was
put
on
the
agenda
this
way
and
that's
how
we
typically
handle
these.
So
you
know,
I
guess
that's
where
we're
at
from
a
staff
perspective
I'll
leave
it
at
that.
A
M
M
Good
evening,
commissioners,
sorry
for
the
delay
in
getting
the
screen
share
set
up
there
today,
for
your
preliminary
feedback
is
a
proposed
project
at
1207
glenwood
avenue.
The
proposed
project
would
be
a
new
seven-story
mixed-use,
building
containing
125
dwelling
units
and
approximately
300,
I'm
sorry,
approximately
3
000
square
feet
of
retail
space.
There
would
be
68
enclosed
parking
spaces
at
the
interior
of
the
site.
M
The
project
site
is
located
at
the
intersection
of
glenwood
and
fremont.
Avenues
in
the
harrison
neighborhood
nearby
here,
as
kind
of
a
this
neighborhood
is,
is
going
through
a
change
and
and
getting
a
significant
increase
in
transit
accessibility
with
the
construction
of
the
green
line,
extension
or
the
southwest
line.
M
M
The
applicant
will
be
seeking
a
minor
subdivision
to
convey
the
southwest
portion
of
the
property
to
the
adjacent
property
to
the
south.
That
area
would
accommodate
a
relocated,
mini
soccer
pitch
and
outdoor
dining
area
that
are
associated
with
a
brewery
on
the
adjacent
property
to
the
south
and
that
that
space
that
current
outdoor
space
is
on
the
property
today,
the
property
will
also
need
a
variance
to
re,
I'm
sorry
to
increase
the
maximum
permitted
setback
in
the
pedestrian
oriented
overlay
district.
M
So
in
the
in
the
po
overlay,
there
is
a
maximum
setback
of
eight
feet
on
adjacent
to
front
and
corner
side
yards
to
create
a
consistent
street
wall.
At
this,
this
section
of
fremont,
here
adjacent
to
this
property,
is
proposed
to
be
reconstructed
in
coordination
with
the
light
rail
project
with
that
reconstruction,
the
street
will
be
built
with
a
wider
landscape
boulevard
on
this
side
of
the
street
and
an
off-street
bike
trail
on
the
opposite
side
of
the
street.
M
Overall,
the
proposed
project
is
very
much
in
keeping
with
the
applicable
land
use,
guidance
and
policies
that
apply
to
the
site
and
city
staff
do
not
have
significant
concerns
about
the
project.
There
are
some
details
that
we
do
have
some
minor
concerns
on
and
would
like.
The
commission's
feedback
on
the
first
one
is,
as
shown
here,
both
the
south
and
west
elevations.
M
And
then
we
are
also
interested
in
feedback
from
the
commission
on
the
two-story
spaces,
fronting
both
glenwood
and
fremont,
and
thoughts
that
the
commission
might
have
on
the
pedestrian
experience
adjacent
to
those
two
story:
spaces
and
whether
architectural
features
or
some
other
strategies
to
make
that
frontage,
more
pedestrian
scaled
should
be
pursued
as
part
of
the
project.
So
those
are
the
the
two
items
that
that
staff
is
particularly
looking
for
feedback
on
from
the
planning
commission.
N
N
We
successfully
completed
our
first
project
first
apartment
project
in
minneapolis
a
couple
months
ago,
called
mod
42.
It's
a
30
unit,
3
story,
transit,
oriented
project
on
42nd
street,
one
block
or
so
west
of
hiawatha,
and
we
are
currently
constructing
units
for
the
alvara,
which
is
193
unit
5
over
2
apartment
project
in
downtown
st
paul.
K
K
K
This
this
area
has
a
lot
of
green
open
space
currently
around
the
district,
good
transit
and
future
developments
of
light
rail.
So
here's
just
I'm
just
going
to
run
through
quickly
just
to
look
at
the
neighboring
buildings.
What's
what's
directly
adjacent
in
this
neighborhood,
which
is
quite
a
wide
variety,
but
mostly
one
story.
Industrial,
looking
buildings.
K
K
K
The
street
streetscape
on
here
is
our
our
site
is
here.
This
is
the
current
streetscape
along
there
opposite
on
glenwood
avenue
is
more
one-story
industrial
buildings
and
then
on
fremont.
We
can
see
the
site
where
we're
looking
at
right
now
is
right
here.
In
the
street
view,
the
existing
soccer
field
is
here
and
a
brewery
and
foundry
are
right
next
door.
K
So
in
the
survey
one
interesting
thing
is
andrew
mentioned
that
we're
proposing
a
variance
on
on
the
corner
portion
of
our
site-
and
the
reason
is-
is
that
there
are
two
easements
on
along
fremont
right
now
one
is
a
permanent
one.
One
is
a
temporary
one,
so
the
permanent
one
is
a
six
foot
easement
right
now,
so
in
terms
of
buildability,
you
know
being
able
to
stay
off
and
create
this
corner.
K
K
The
easement
line
is
right
here.
Our
property
line
is
right
here
and
so
with
our,
how
we're
situating
this
building
as
an
l
on
the
site,
we're
proposing
that
that
lobby
be
set
off,
because
there
is
an
existing
planting
strip
on
the
edge
of
the
sidewalk
right
now.
That
would
create
a
very
narrow.
You
know,
outdoor
space
outside
of
this
lobby,
we're
proposing
retail
on
glenwood
lock
units
along
fremont,
and
then
our
vehicular
access
would
come
in
off
of
fremont
and
we
would
have
entries
into
parking
at
l1
and
parking
at
l2.
K
K
K
These
loft
units
would
be
two
partially
two
levels
and
level
three
would
be
fully
residential
with
an
amenity
space
potentially
and
the
rest
of
the
building
would
be
all
residential
up
until
the
seventh
floor
that
we
are
proposing
a
step
back
at
the
corner
for
an
outdoor
amenity
and
amenity.
On
the
top
floor.
K
Materials
for
this
project
are
pretty
straightforward.
What
we're
we're
trying
to
do
is
provide
exterior
lighting
and
an
exterior
design
that
fits
with
the
constructability
of
the
modular
project
that
we're
trying
to
deliver
right
now.
We're
proposing
mostly
metal
panel,
brick
on
the
base,
with
combination
of
storefronts
and
and
possibly.
K
K
K
K
An
interesting
amenity
that
creates
the
goal
would
be
to
try
to
create
a
symbionts
between
this
project
and
the
existing
brewery
to
the
south.
We
do
have
a
shadow
study.
There
are
no
single-family
homes
adjacent
to
this
property
and
we're
just
showing
the
modular
project
that
christian
referenced
before
that
he's
put
together
to
just.
K
O
K
D
Thank
you.
So
first
comment
is,
I
believe,
the
first
gentleman
that
spoke,
mr
lawrence,
correct,
yep.
Okay,
you
referred
to
the
area
as
basic
creek
valley,
correct,
yes,
yeah,
that
kind
of
spooked
me
I
I
grew
up
over
there
and
that
changes
the
whole
scope
of
what
I
believe
that
area
really
represents
really
concerning.
It
speaks
volumes
to
what
is
actually
happening
across
the
country,
which
I
expect
to
happen,
because
I'm
no
one
that
doesn't
expect
change
to
occur
and
I'm
like
most
humans.
D
I
do
struggle
with
some
changes
that
need
to
happen,
but
I'm
able
to
adapt
and
deal
with
that,
but
by
by
changing
or
using
that
that
term,
it
reminded
me
and
I'm
going
to
be
a
minute,
because
I
usually
don't
talk.
It
reminded
me
of
a
a
post
that
I
saw
on
social
media
the
other
day
and
it
was
a
a
poster
of
three
people,
non-melanin
people
sitting
at
what
I
assume
was
a
cozy
restaurant
of
some
sort
and
over
their
head.
D
It
read
the
new
quote-unquote
soul
of
harlem,
and
I
just
about
vomited
in
my
mouth.
So
my
question
is:
have
you
reached
out
to
heritage
park
the
neighborhood?
That
is,
I
believe,
just
across
glenwood
not
far
from
there?
Probably,
I
would
say
less
than
a
mile,
maybe
six
blocks
have
they
been
included
in
any
of
the
conversations
that
you've
had
with
the
harrison
neighborhood
association
because
and
then
there's
also
glenwood
avenue
going
towards
penn
avenue?
Have
any
of
those
folks
been
engaged?
There's
a
mildest
cafe.
D
So
I
I
needed
to
say
that
and
then
just
the
building
itself.
I
think
I
think
you're
very
talented,
I'm
not
an
architect,
I'm
fascinated
by
all
the
windows,
but
for
me
it
again
it
go
it
doesn't.
If
we're
going
to
try
to
really
resonate
with
the
history
of
an
area,
then
I
would
like
to
believe
that
you've
done
some
research
about
the
neighborhood
itself,
the
area
that
it
where
it's
at
so
that,
instead
of
just.
D
D
I
can
put
my
school
board
email
in
the
in
the
chat
so
that
I
can
make
sure
that
you're
connecting
with
some
of
the
folks
that
probably
don't
have
any
idea
about
what's
going
in
that
space.
So
I
just
needed
to
to
get
that
out,
because
I
I
don't.
I
don't
like
the
term
basset
creek
valley,
because
that
to
me
speaks
90210,
and
I
just
I
don't
like
it.
D
D
I'm
I'm
worried
that
there
are
people
that
are
not
going
to
have
any
clue
about
what's
being
proposed
or
developed
in
that
particular
spot
all
up
and
down
glenwood
going
west
and
then
going
north
of
of
of
that
location
where
the
heritage
park
area
is,
there's
a
senior
high
rise
over
there.
You
know
and
and
then
again
one
last
thing
the
materials
you
know
this
whole
brown
and
and
and
gray
it's
like,
I
I
don't
know,
can
we
lighten
up
a
little
bit?
D
It
literally
speaks
volumes
to
welcome
to
northeast
minneapolis,
and
it
just
seems
to
me
that
when
we,
when
I
see
buildings
being
proposed
or
seeing
renderings,
it's
like
just
like
dark
and
the
windows
are
fantastic,
but
it's
just
dark.
It's
kind
of
almost
like
the
ids
was
chopped
off
at
the
bottom
and
you
know
just
kind
of
put
around
the
hospital.
A
G
Okay,
oh
okay.
I
do
want
to
echo
what
commissioner
caprini
said
about
the
neighborhood
and
getting
those
residents
involved.
In
addition
to
that,
I
live
nearby,
so
I
have
been
to
the
cervezaria
a
lot.
I
appreciate
you
working
with
them
and
I
think
the
field
is
going
to
be
a
great
amenity,
but
I
am
very
concerned
about
the
architecture
from
that
aspect
to
those
large
two-story
walls
with
little
articulation
or
visual
interest
based
on
your
building
type.
G
G
So
I
just
wanted
to
note
that
I
I
do
think
we
need
to
focus
on
four-sided
well
on
this
building,
maybe
whatever
six
or
seven-sided
architecture,
and
I
would
be
open
to
the
taller
floors
on
the
the
two-story
first
floor.
If
we
could
try
to
increase
the
aesthetics
of
the
building
a
little
bit,
I
think
you're
building
what
is
it
mod
42?
G
C
C
C
We've
done
three
years
of
community
engagement
to
get
that
project
off
the
ground
and
northside
art
space
lofts
was
the
name
of
the
you
know
that
stuck,
and
that
was
vetted
by
the
community,
for
for
the
reason
that
it's
definitely
you
know
community
driven.
In
that
sense,
I
had
a
question
about
the
pedestrian
access
from
your
parking
side
that
would
go
to
the
field
like
directly.
It
looked
like
that
would
be
the
driveway
for
your
cars,
but
it
would
also
be
the
pet
access
to
lidonia's
field.
K
Yeah
we
have
the
there
is
on
the
lidonia
side
of
the
property
line
and
currently
a
sidewalk
you
know
adjacent
to
their
building,
so
our
driveway
would
be
off
chat.
Okay,
so
there
will
be
relocating,
curb
cuts
to
align
for
that,
so
that
pedestrians
have
access
on
both
the
north
and
south
of
that
drive.
Aisle.
C
J
I
just
wanted
to
make
one
clarifying
point
about
the
basset
creek
valley
term.
The
city
had
an
adopted
small
area
plan
from
2007
called
the
basset
creek
valley
master
plan,
and
we
followed
it
up
with
a
bassett,
creek
valley,
rezoning
study,
and
it's
named
that
due
to
the
underlying
watershed
district
name,
that's
in
that
area,
so
I
don't
want
to
discount
anyone's
comments
here,
but
just
so
you
know
it's
a
term
that
the
city
has
used
for
this
area
based
on
adopted
plans
and
policies
since
2007..
C
I
mean,
I
know
you
guys
weren't,
calling
it
the
bassets
creature
building.
So
but
my
question,
my
other
comment
was
going
to
go
along
with
what
commissioner
mcguire
was
saying.
Is
that
lidonia
has
done
such
a
great
job
with
placemaking
around
their
building
inside
the
building
is
amazing
on
the
inside,
but
especially
how
they've
activated
those
spaces
and
then
how
has
the
how
the
conversations
gone
with
them
and
feedback
around
that
kind
of
outdoor
space
that
you
are
proposing
with
them.
N
Sure
so
they
actually
approached
us
to
partner
with
them
and
redeveloping
this
currently
vacant
building
and
as
it
sounds
like
many
of
you
guys
have
been
there.
I
too
patronized
it
not
as
much
recently
because
of
kovid,
but
you
know
really
like
the
space
and
currently
their
patio
and
soccer
pitch
is
sort
of
just
in
the
middle
of
parking,
and
we
think
that
this
will,
you
know,
vastly
improve.
C
Yeah
I
mean
my
issue
with
the
with
the
blank
walls
was
not
as
much
as
the
one
on
the
side
would
be
transformer,
but
the
side
where
the
parking
lot
was
with
a
really
large.
It
kind
of
looks,
especially
if
that's
going
to
be
the
outdoor
amenity
space
for
the
building,
as
well
as
where
the
ladonia
patrons
would
be.
C
It
feels
like
a
little
bit
like
you're
in
a
jail
with
the
way
that
the
grey
walls
are
kind
of
you
know
looming
over
that
area,
so
my
comments
would
be,
and
you
know
lithonia
obviously
has
great
muralists
and
great
artists,
and
that
would
help
connect
that
building
to
that
area
and
what
they've
already
been
doing
there-
and
I
would
you
know,
just
make
sure
when
you
guys
come
to
full
commission
to
or
to
the
public
comment
like
have
make.
That
part
look
a
little
nicer.
C
It
just
looks
a
little
drab
right
now,
so,
even
if
there's
you
know,
our
art
will
go
here
or
something
on
those
pictures.
I
think
that
would
help
it.
Just
right
now
looks
really
kind
of
sad.
I
know
staff
also
wanted
feedback
on
the
awning
or
the
interest
kind
of
leading
towards
the
entrance.
That
would
end
up
the
side
entrance
of
your
building
that
would
go
towards
bedonia.
Is
that
correct
the
staff
side?
C
I
would
my
my
comment
on
that
would
also
just
I
think
you
have
room
to
add
interest.
I
understand
with
the
modular
building
that
there's
a
lot
of
it
that
you
can't,
but
I
think
on
that
side
you
could
do
something
with
parachute
cloth
or
something
to
to
add
some
interest,
especially
leading
that
how
busy
litonia
is-
and
you
guys
are
so
abutting
it
so
closely
and
just
kind
of
help
place,
make
that
whole
your
building
with
that
area,
because
I
mean
having
people
want
to
live
in
the
building.
C
L
Thank
you,
commissioner.
Olson
yeah.
I
like
this
project.
I
think
I
know,
there's
been
a
couple
of
other
residential
projects
kind
of
in
that
area
near
glenwood.
I
like
to
see
this
actually
on
glenwood
there's
a
lot
of
you
know
space
to
put
things,
and
I
like
the
idea
of
an
apartment
building
here,
instead
of
the
same
part
of
the
city,
where
all
the
apartments
are
always
going
up,
so
I'm
happy
to
see
that
I'm
happy
to
see
a
development
like
this
migrate
further
north.
L
I
think
all
of
those
things
are
really
positive.
Glenwood
is
a
rough
pedestrian
space
and
as
long
as
we're
going
to
start
putting
things
here,
maybe
this
is
the
time
to
start
looking
at
that.
I,
like
the
two-story
first
level.
I
do
agree,
though,
that
it
is,
I
don't
know
what
can
be
done
if
it's
awnings
or
lighting
or
something
that
can
make
that
a
little
bit
better
as
a
pedestrian
scale.
L
Something
to
look
at.
I
agree
with
the
other
commissioners
about
the
blank
walls.
You
know
generally.
My
first
choice-
although
I
I
do
like
art,
is
not
that
we
paint
them
because
they're
still
kind
of
those
walls
there,
but
I
I
do
understand.
I
heard
what
you
said
about
the
limits
of
what
can
be
done,
but
my
first
choice
would
be
something
besides
just
a
mural
that
the
actual
building
have
something
you
know
part
of
it
that
is
exposed
again.
But
overall.
I
think
that
this
is
a
good
project.
L
F
Thank
you.
I
agree
that
this
is
a,
I
think,
a
fine
project,
but
I
also
agree
with
the
commissioner
caprini's
comment
that
it's
a
little
bit
I'm.
I
am
getting
tired
of
grays
and
browns
around
the
city,
a
little
splash
of
color
sure
that
goes
a
long
way,
but
I
have
a
question
actually,
and
that
is
with
regards
to
the
what
are
the
sizes
of
the
units
that
are
going
to
be
in
the
in
the
building.
I
mean
one
one
bedroom
two
bedroom.
O
We're
gonna
have
studios
all
the
way
through
two
bedroom,
two
baths:
everything
in
between
aaron
that
dj
are
pointed
out,
we'll
have
some
lofted
one
bedrooms,
alcove
units
more
traditional
one
bedrooms,
one
plus
dens,
and
then
the
more
traditional
two
bedrooms
and
the
size
ranges
will
be
on
the
bottom
end.
There's
a
couple
about
450
square
feet
up
to
about
a
thousand
or
slightly
larger
for
the
larger
units.
E
Thank
you.
I
wanted
to
reinforce
what
commissioner
caprina
said
regarding
the
name
and
you're
recognizing
what
what
kimberly
said.
You
know
that
there's
some
background
for
for
its
use
of
for
bass,
creek
valley,
but
it's
still,
you
know
a
really
sensitive
issue.
I
just
wanted
to
elaborate
on
that.
I,
the
the
parks
for
all
plan,
is
in
in
draft
form
right
now,
and
I
was
just
reading
it
last
night
and
what,
when
it
talks
about
identification,
you
know
it
defines
it.
E
Due
to
an
increase
in
desirability,
this
change
often
brings
increased
property
values,
new
and
different
businesses
to
the
area
and
may
be
signaled
by
storefront
reservation,
renovations,
public
work
projects
or
neighborhood
rebranding,
and
I
just
wanted
to
highlight
the
neighborhood
rebranding
you
know,
neighborhood
rebranding
is
something
that
is
really
associated
with
with
centrifugation.
So
I
would,
I
would
just
be
sensitive
about
that.
E
N
D
Yes,
I
wanted
to
say
thank
you
to
kimberly
for
the
clarification
on
why
that
word
or
that
that
that
little
that
term
bassett
creek
valley
was
used.
Originally,
I
was
gonna
apologize,
but
I'm
not
going
to
because
I
meant
what
I
said
and
I
appreciate
the
response
not
just
from
the
presenters
but
also
from
the
other
commissioners,
but
I
I
wanted
to
thank
commissioner
sweezie
for
something
she
said
about
glenwood
avenue
again.
You
know
I
grew
up
in
in
minneapolis
in
north
minneapolis.
D
Oh,
you
know
I
would
think
I
was
eight
I'm
56
so
that
many
years
ago
and
were
not
very
well
welcomed,
actually
had
to
have
police
escorts,
bring
us
to
fast
freddie
to
get
graham
crackers
and
marshmallows
for
some
mores
so
that
whole
area,
my
grandmother,
lived
on
822
morgan.
So
my
my
my
family,
nine
of
us,
we
ran
those
streets
in
terms
of
like
just
from
the
parks
and
just
you
know,
playing
and
from
school
and
all
of
those
things.
D
So
when
commissioner
sweesey
brought
up
that
glenwood
is
in
need
of,
you
know
something
like
this:
I've
appreciated
ladonna
I've,
I've
I've
been
there
several
times
appreciate
it.
There's
a
couple
of
other
spots
on
glenwood
that
I
have
not
been
to
yet
that
I
kovit
actually
got
in
the
way
of
me
being
able
to
attend.
D
I
say
all
of
this
because
I
I'm
I'm
the
kind
of
person
that
truly
believes
if
people
feel
they
are
connected
to
something
whether
they're
going
to
personally
or
no
no,
if
they're
go
yet
personally
benefit
from
it.
In
terms
of
like
be
in
that
space,
they
want
to
know
that
you
they
that
what
they
have
to
say
matters
they
want
to
feel,
in
my
opinion,
needed
in
the
conversation,
so
that
there's
a
connect,
some
kind
of
connection.
D
So
when
I
say
that
it's
important
to
me
that
the
heritage
area,
the
heritage,
I
think
it's
heritage
park
area,
that's
near
there,
that
there
is
a
connection
that
is
made
just
in
terms
of
getting
them
to
know.
What's
coming
because
that's
gonna,
this
is
gonna
benefit
them
as
well,
because,
ultimately,
what
my
hope
is
is
that
this
does
grow
more
businesses
up
and
down.
D
So
if
you're
coming
for
us,
let
us
in
let
us
be
a
part
of
the
conversation,
be
intentional
about
making
sure
that
people
are
aware
and
understand
the
developments
that
are
going
on
in
their
neighborhoods
so
that
they
feel
a
part
of
it.
You
never
know
there
may
be
people
that
might
find
some
kind
of
opportunity
for
for
themselves
within
the
the
work.
That's
going
up
and
down
glenwood,
so
I
don't
know
this
this.
D
This
work
on
the
city,
planning,
commission
and
the
connections
that
I
have
with
my
schools
as
a
school
board
director
and
the
just
the
schools
in
our
community
and
the
connections
that
it
has
to
the
city,
I'm
constantly
trying
to
fill
these
little
gaps.
So
this
is
me
filling
a
gap
providing
my
my
feelings
and
thoughts
about
what
I
hope
you're
you're
willing
to
do,
which
is
don't
just
tell
me.
You're
gonna
meet
with
harrison
neighborhood
association
reach
out
to
heritage
park.
They
have
an
association
or
a
something
there.
D
I
know
they
do
because
I've
went
there.
The
first
time
I
ran
for
school
board
and
spoke
to
a
ton
of
families
and
the
businesses
on
glenwood.
Don't
leave
them
out
because
they
have
something
to
benefit
from
this
as
well,
but
we
don't
know
how
it's
going
to
lift
their
their
businesses
up
right
and
so
that
it's
just
important
to
me
that
we
would
be
honest
in
in
the
work
that
we're
doing
and
intentional
and
and
that's
it,
I'm
done
for
the
night.
N
H
H
Yeah
I'll
be
brief
here
I
I
think
the
again
I
think
getting
this
on
glenwood
is
a
is
a
good
idea.
I
appreciate
the
sort
of
scale
and
masking
and
and
occupying
the
corner.
I
think
that's
that's
great,
so
I
had
just
a
couple
questions
on
on
the
garage
space.
This
is
where
this
blank
wall
is.
Is
it
fully
enclosed?
Are
you
guys
fully
heating
and
exhausting
that
garage
space.
H
So
I
think
evidencing
the
kind
of
unitization
of
it
is
not
necessarily
a
bad
thing,
because
I
think
they're
trying
very
hard
with
patterns
and
stripes
and
and
things
even
though
it's
very
flat
to
kind
of
make
that
go
away.
So
I
I
I
think
the
modular
is
terrific.
I
think
understanding
it
as
part
of
the
building
construct
would
would
be
terrific,
I'm
assuming
all
those
cementitious
panels
are
those
hardy
type
panels
that
you
guys
are
thinking
about
for
the
materials
there.
F
K
H
H
I
think
somehow
the
patterning
and
striation
starts
to
feel
more
corporate
in
office
than
housing.
Somehow
so,
hopefully
you'll
continue
to
evolve,
that
and
get
it
somewhere,
but
I
think
the
articulation
and
the
massing
of
the
pieces
is
a
good.
It's
a
good
direction.
How
are
you,
how
are
these
units
handled
mechanically?
They
have
their
own
individual
magic
packs
or
you
have
a
central
system.
How
are
you
guys
going
to
do
that.
K
It
could
be
a
combination
of
both
it
could
be
key
tax
and
then
in
certain
units
could
be
fan
coils
or
it
could
be
magic
packs
depending
on
you
know.
What
is
the
best
situation
for
the
size
of
the
unit.
Obviously,
like
charlie
from
rise
noted
that
we
have
a
wide
range
of
units,
but
for
the
majority
of
units
they're
smaller,
and
we
do
have
some
two
bedrooms
located
in
the
hobbyist
box
being
on
coins.
Those
would
be
higher
candidates
for
something
other
than
something
like
that.
H
Yeah,
I
ask
only
that
certain
those
things
have
different
registrations,
obviously
on
the
skin
of
the
building-
and
I
know
you
know
that
aaron,
so
I
just
you
know
that
will
affect
the
it's
it's
another
layer
of
patterning
there
and
lastly,
I
think
the
again
I
don't
mind
the
two-story
on
the
outside.
I
think
that's
absolutely
appropriate.
You
know
there's
a
a
scale
to
glenwood
that
that
feels
right.
H
H
I'm
I'm
sure
that's
not
your
intention,
but
just
want
to
make
sure
that
you
are
thinking
about
that
and
putting
some
care
into
it,
and
hopefully
that's
a
potential
to
get
some
layering
to
the
building
it's
very
flat
as
it
sort
of
rises
up
by
the
ground
all
the
way
vertically
there.
So
hopefully,
some
articulation
and
with
that
extra
layering
on
the
ground
plane
both
with
built
things
as
well
as
trees
and
plant
material.
I
would
encourage
you
to
can
continue
to
develop
that
pedestrian
realm
is
really
important.
A
Thank
you,
commissioner.
Baxley.
Not
seeing
other
comments
so
I'll
say
what
I
have,
and
these
are
aesthetic
comments
that
I'm
saying
right
after
a
architect
just
said
some
big
words.
So
I'm
not
an
architect
I'll
just
say
that,
but
I
sort
of
agree
on
the
office
building
feeling,
and
I
don't
think
it's
necessarily
on
the
corner.
I
feel
like
it's,
the
concrete
or
whatever
it
is
on
the
residential
loft
units.
It
seems
bulky
to
me
and
that
makes
it
feel
sort
of
office
buildingy
to
me.
A
I
do
like
the
idea
of
awnings
just
over
the
residential
doors.
I
think
that
might
be
something
that
brings
down
the
pedestrian
scale
a
little
bit
without
you
know,
being
a
big
feature
and
then
the
so
I'm
familiar
with
the
project
on
42nd,
and
I
think
it
has
really
really
nice
lighting
and
so
I'm
hoping
that
that
gets
carried
on
into
this
building,
I'm
specifically
thinking
of
the
sconces
that
light
both
up
and
down
kind
of
at
the
pedestrian
scale.
A
I
think
those
are
really
nice
and
would
add
some
of
that
detail
to
the
building
that
it
sort
of
feels
like
it's
missing.
Right
now,
although
I'm
sure
you
know
it's,
you
haven't
figured
all
that
out
yet
and
then
the
last
thing
I'll
just
say
I
like
a
black
building
or
a
white
building,
and
sometimes
I
think
color
can
be
too
much
so
I'll
just
offer
that
alternative
opinion,
and
that
is
all
I
have
commissioners,
do
you
have
any
other
comments
on
this
application.
J
C
J
Yes,
so
because
committee
of
the
whole
is
not
a
live
meeting,
we
don't
need
the
it
team
to
run
the
meeting,
so
instead,
we've
just
been
inviting
people
into
the
meeting
with
the
regular
invite
that
you
all
get
as
well
so
they're
participants
in
the
meeting.
So
they
can
see
the
chat.
They
can
see
your
video,
you
can
see
theirs.