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From YouTube: May 4, 2021 Heritage Preservation Commission
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B
D
B
B
Lims.Minneapolismn.Gov,
our
first
order
of
business
is
to
adopt
the
agenda
for
this
meeting,
we'll
work
from
the
agendas
that
are
available
online.
I
will
go
through
the
agenda
and
sort
out
what
items
will
be
continued
to
a
future
meeting.
What
items
will
be
discussed
and
what
items
we
put
on
a
consent
agenda
to
be
approved,
as
recommended
by
staff
without
further
discussion.
B
B
So
the
proposed
agenda
is
item
4,
1018
4th
street
southeast,
we'll
have
a
staff
presentation,
public
comment,
commission
discussion
and
action
and
item
5,
the
historic
waiver
text.
Amendment
will
have
a
staff
presentation
and
commission
discussion
and
action.
Commissioners
may
have
a
motion
to
approve
the
proposed
agenda.
B
E
B
B
C
C
B
Thank
you.
The
minutes
are
approved
before
I
open
the
hearing
to
public
comments.
Let
me
summarize
the
process
for
conducting
the
public
hearing
in
this
virtual
format.
We
will
take
each
agenda
item
in
order.
First,
planning
staff
will
present
its
report
and
commissioners
may
ask
questions
of
staff.
Then
we
will
hear
from
the
applicant
and
commissioners
may
ask
questions
of
the
applicant.
B
B
B
F
Thank
you
chair
good
afternoon
commissioners.
I'm
rob
scholecki
city
planner
in
the
historic
preservation
section
of
cped.
Today,
I'm
presenting
a
demolition
of
historic
resource
application
for
the
property
located
at
1018
4th
street
southeast,
it's
historically
known
as
the
dr
william
condit
residence
next
slide.
Please.
F
The
subject
properties
is
a
two
and
a
half
to
three
story
frame
dwelling
constructed
in
1902
for
william
h,
condit,
who
was
a
doctor
and
surgeon.
The
building
was
designed
by
master
architect,
william
kenyon,
in
the
neoclassical
or
classical
revival
style.
It
was
built
by
john
bowes,
who
is
a
local
contractor.
F
F
The
building
was
first
identified
in
2002
to
2003
by
the
consultant
landscape
research
llc.
As
part
of
the
designation
study
for
the
university
of
minnesota
greek
letter
chapter
house
historic
district,
the
consultant
noted
that
10
18
4th
street
southeast
was
an
excellent
example
of
a
private
residence
that
was
converted
to
greek
chapter
house
use.
F
The
subject
dwelling
was
designed
by
william
kenyon
like
the
lochren
homes,
and
it
was
constructed
actually
you're
following
the
designated
mary
lochran
student
rooming
homes.
All
these
dwellings
share
a
very
similar
development
and
tenant
history.
That's
really
characteristic
of
residential
dinky
to
town
the
subject.
F
While
the
dwelling
appears
to
be
a
good
example
to
associate
with
the
social
history,
the
building
has
lost
integrity
through
substantial
alterations
to
elevation
siding
also.
The
city
like
state
previously
has
already
designated
the
marilochen
student
rooming
homes,
historic
district
and
the
university
of
minnesota
greek
letter
chapter
house,
historic
district,
which
both
retained,
greater
historic
integrity
and
each
of
them
as
a
collection
of
properties,
are
better
able
to
communicate
this
history
of
housing
tied
to
the
university
of
minnesota
and
the
dinkytown
area.
F
Cped
staff
also
finds
that
the
property
is
not
eligible
under
criterion.
3
since
grand
homes
designed
by
prominent
mediapolitans,
which
transition
to
student
rooming,
fraternity
or
sorority
use,
are
emblematic
of
the
residential
history
of
dinkytown
and
the
university
of
minnesota
area,
the
building
does
not
appear
to
retain
significant,
sufficient
integrity
to
be
eligible
for
designation
under
this
criterion,
as
an
individual,
landmark
steph
also
finds,
the
property
does
not
hold
enough
significance
to
be
eligible
under
criteria.
Six.
F
The
property
was
built
by
william
kenyon,
who
is
a
master
architect,
and
it
appears
to
be
an
example
of
kenyan's
vast
implementation
of
various
revival.
Styles
of
that
era,
although
the
building's
original
design
is
a
good
example
of
kenyan's
implementation
of
the
neoclassical
style,
the
building,
as
stated
again
previously,
has
lost
integrity
through
alterations.
F
With
all
this
considered,
staff
did
identify
the
property
as
a
historic
resource
and
a
2020
historic
review
letter.
But
further
consideration
of
the
potential
significance
for
the
site
has
been
assessed
and
staff
finds
that
the
property
doesn't
hold
enough
significance
that
could
allow
the
property
to
be
worthy
of
landmark
designation.
F
F
In
addition,
multiple
neoclassical
classical
revival
or
bozart
buildings
that
are
better
examples
of
their
respective
histories
are
already
individual
landmarks
or
included
as
part
of
historic
districts
designated
by
the
city.
Next
slide,
please,
the
subject:
property
does
not
retain
the
integrity
required
to
be
an
individual
landmark,
while
location
setting,
feeling
and
association
are
all
adequate.
F
F
The
applicant
has
demonstrated
that
the
property
may
be
in
an
unsafe
condition
through
submitted
reports
to
show
hazardous
materials
found
at
the
property.
A
structural
engineer's
report
pointed
to
cracking
at
the
interior
walls
and
potential
for
collapse
of
one
of
the
leading
front
columns
that
you
can
see.
I
believe
here
in
the
photo.
F
F
F
The
department
of
community
planning
and
economic
development
recommends
that
the
heritage
preservation
commission
adopt
staff
findings
for
the
application
by
william
wells
for
the
property
located
at
1018
4th
street
southeast
and
recommend
the
motion
to
approve
the
demolition
of
historic
resource
application
and
with
that
I'm
available
for
any
questions
as
staff.
But
I
do
understand
that
the
applicant
and
I
think
the
property
owner
as
well,
are
here
and
are
available
for
questions
too.
So
thank
you.
G
A
historic
district
that
would
include
this
property,
or
is
there
any
potential
for
this
being
added
to
the
district
that
we
just
don't
attend,
understand
your
concerns
about
individual
eligibility,
but
once
again,
just
like
we
have
a
conversation
with
the
past
district
and
individual
projects
there.
This
has
more
potential
as
a
resource
within
the
district.
F
F
You
know,
as
we
stated
it
was
studied
as
early
as
2002
to
be
included
in
the
greek
letter
after
house
historic
district,
and
it
was
not
included
for
that
in
the
mary
lochran
homes.
Historic
district
designation
study
was
mentioned
just
based
on
the
fact
that
you
know
it
has
a
very
similar
resident
history.
F
It
has
a
very
similar
history
of
being
developed
for
a
prominent
area
meteopolitan
and
then
quickly,
transitioning
to
student
rooming,
but
there
was
less,
I
guess,
cohesive,
of
an
identity
between
these,
this
property
and
the
district.
So
you
know
the
district.
It
was
identified
as
six
homes
on
a
parcel
that
chair
the
same
owner
builder,
william
kenyon
architect,
and
you
know
it
was
something
that
was
considered,
but
it
wasn't
something
that
was
you
know.
We
saw
a
serious
link
between
that
would
warrant
designation
as
a
district.
For
that.
H
H
I
am
joined
this
evening
also
on
the
phone
by
the
javelin
group.
They
are
the
environmental
consultant.
They
are
available
for
answering
questions.
They
did
testing
and
provide
a
report.
I'm
also
joined
by
the
structural
engineer,
who's
available
for
questions.
The
contractor
is
on
the
line
and
the
owner,
so
people
are
available
for
questions
as
needed.
I
was
hired
by
the
owner
approximately
six
months
ago
to
assess
the
existing
conditions
of
the
house
and
provide
the
owner
with
options
for
repairs
and
rehabilitation
of
the
property.
H
H
Yes,
there
are
nine
photos.
These
are
updated
photos
that
I
took
it
does
show
that
if
you're
looking
at
the
building
and
you're
seeing
the
orange
postings
on
the
front
of
the
building,
then
you
are
looking
at
the
correct
photo.
So
this
site
is
a
rooming
house
and
currently
does
not
comply
with
the
zoning
code.
There
are
many
zoning
problems
with
this
building.
There's
parking
in
the
front
yard,
which
is
not
allowed
in
the
zoning
code.
The
rooming
house
designation
is
not
allowed.
H
You've
got
an
emergency
egress
on
the
side
of
the
building
that
is
crossing
the
property
line,
which
is
also
not
allowed.
So
we've
got
some
zoning
issues.
You
know
just
looking
over
all
the
property,
some
very
serious
zoning
issues
and
then
going
around
the
building.
If
we
can
just
start
to
look
a
little
closer,
I'm
on
page
two,
looking
at
the
front
porch,
you
can
see
that
the
front
porch
is
failing.
H
There
is
a
photo
on
page
two
showing
that
the
foundation
is
on
the
front
of
the
building
is
just
sort
of
starting
to
collapse
inward
to
the
building.
So
all
the
rain
water
from
the
front
porch
is
actually
running
into
the
building
and
that
is
leading
to
some
serious
water
damage
in
the
basement
and
it's
causing
cracking
it's
causing
a
lot
of
problems
on
the
front
of
the
building
there.
I'm
now
looking
at
the
second,
the
third
page
and
the
third
photo
I'm
looking
at
a
stairwell
down
to
the
basement.
H
You
can
see
once
again
the
water
damage
is
very
serious
and
significant.
The
foundation
wall
is
beginning
to
crack.
The
house
is
starting
to
sort
of
slide
a
little
bit
in
the
foundation
wall
down
there.
You
can
see
where
all
the
leaves
are
and
there's
a
little
puddle
of
water.
That's
collecting
so
there's
some
really
serious
water
infiltration
issues
around
this
building.
You
can
see
that
the
foundation
wall
is
not
it's,
it's
not
waterproof.
H
So,
looking
at
on
the
fourth
page,
now
here's
a
close-up
view
on
page
number,
four,
the
photo
I
took
shows
just
a
real
close-up
view
of
the
foundation
wall
where
there's
a
hole
in
the
foundation
wall.
This
foundation
wall
is
100
more
than
100
years
old,
limestone
wall
that
is
crumbling
and
falling
apart
and
it's
kind
of
at
the
end
of
its
life
and
it's
it's
very
serious
what
the
foundation
damages
mostly
from
water,
but
you
can
see
that
it's
just
cracking
very
seriously.
H
On
page
five,
there's
a
close-up
view
of
the
column
on
the
front
of
the
building,
that's
beginning
to
fail.
Some
very
serious
water
damage,
that's
happening
on
the
front
of
the
building
and
that
column
is
one
thing
that
the
structural
engineer
and
I
are
very
concerned
about
because
it's
really
starting
to
lean
and
there
is
a
potential
for
collapse,
possibly
within
the
next
year,
so
that
that
is
something
the
owner
is
very
concerned
about
the
life
and
safety
hazards
of
that
I'm.
H
You
can
see
that
there's
the
rot
and
damage
around
the
windows
very
serious,
and
it's
not
just
a
matter
of
replacing
the
window.
Really,
that's,
not
the
scope
of
the
work,
all
of
the
windows,
all
the
framing.
All
the
jams
in
this
house
have
serious
water
damage
and
structural
failures.
So
it's
not
just
the
scope
of
work
is
not
just
replace
the
windows.
You
have
to
rebuild
the
entire
window
frame
new
headers
to
code,
it's
a
lot
of
work
and
that's
important
that
people
understand
the
full
scope
and
full
damage.
That's
happening
out.
H
There
page
eight
photo
number
eight
of
nine
there's
just
another
close-up
of
the
windows.
There's
another
window
on
the
other
side
of
the
house,
there's
literally
a
gap,
there's
a
gap
between
the
window
and
the
sheathing
and
you're
kind
of
seen
into
the
wall
and
the
water
is
going
into
the
wall
right
there
and
what's
happening.
Is
the
house
is
sort
of
splitting
apart
because
there's
structural
failures?
H
Now
you
get
things
pulling
apart
and
water
going
into
the
building?
That's
that's
a
big
problem
out
there
what's
happening
not
just
in
the
foundation
but
everywhere
on
the
windows.
So
you
know
part
of
the
reason
that
at
the
neighborhood
group
meeting
they're
asking
me:
why
is
the
pricing
so
high?
I'm
trying
to
give
you
more
details
and
specifics?
Because
the
contractor
has
to
rebuild
this
building,
they
have
to
reframe
every
window,
new
headers
and
I'm
on
page
nine.
Now
this
is
the
last
photo
that
I
wanted
to
show
tonight.
H
H
So
looking
back
to
page
number,
one
photo
number
one,
the
overall
scope
of
this
project
and
in
terms
of
rehabbing
it
in
terms
of
the
mechanical
system,
the
structural
system,
electrical
system,
it's
not
just
paint
on
the
walls
and
a
new
boiler
which
somebody
mentioned
at
the
neighborhood
group
meeting.
That's
not
the
scope
of
the
work.
The
scope
of
work
is
very,
very
serious
and
very
extensive.
H
H
This
building
is
unsafe,
nobody's
living
in
it
nobody's
lived
in
for
almost
two
years,
because
it's
so
unsafe,
there's
so
many
failures
everywhere
on
the
building
that
it's
unlivable.
So
you
have
an
unlivable
structure
that
is
starting
to
twist
and
fail
and
collapse
and
there's
serious
water
damage.
H
H
So
if
you
imagine
this
property
being
sort
of
rebuilt,
you've,
you've
demoed,
all
this
by
society
and
you've
demoed
all
the
laughing
plaster,
you've
demoed
the
roof,
the
third
floor
system,
the
front
columns
that
stair
system
most
of
the
foundation
wall
you're
left
with
nothing
at
that
point,
there's
nothing
left
of
of
the
building.
So
I
know
that
the
neighborhood
group
in
their
letter
were
very
concerned
about
demoing
the
house
and
rebuilding
something
new
on
the
site
because
they
said
it
causes
waste,
but
even
a
rebuilding
of
the
property.
H
There's
going
to
be
extensive
waste
in
either
option
of
rebuilding
or
building
something
new
on
the
site,
there's
virtually
the
same
amount
of
construction
waste.
That's
going
to
happen
on
this
site.
So
what
I'd
like
to
do
right
now
is
just
turn
it
over
to
the
java
group
I'd
like
them
to
explain
what
testing
they
did,
the
environmental
issues
and
what
they
found
on
site
in
their
test
reports
and
then
I'd
like
the
structural
engineer,
to
just
talk
briefly.
I
In
that
process
we
went
to
the
building.
I
think
we
did
the
work
in
january
of
this
year
and
when
we
were
doing
the
asbestos
survey,
we
went
through
and
collected
bulk
samples
of
what
we
consider
suspect,
especially
containing
materials
in
the
building
things
like
plaster
and
the
trans
light,
siding
and
insulation,
linoleum
and
floor
tiles,
those
kinds
of
materials
that
are
often
contained
asbestos,
and
in
that
process
we
collected
41
bulk
samples
of
materials
and
that
were
suspect
materials.
I
I
Otherwise
it
needs
to
be
repaired
or
removed.
We
also
identified
some
paper
insulation
in
one
of
the
closets
of
of
the
building.
This
kind
of
material
is
oftentimes
behind
walls
uses
an
insulation
paper
and
it
may
be
throughout
the
building.
Again,
we
didn't
do
destructive
testing
to
see
if
it's
there,
but
it
was
visible
and
in
the
closet,
and
that
would
contain
a
60
crystal
asbestos.
I
In
addition,
some
of
the
windows
we
identified,
two
we
didn't
sample
all
the
windows
because
of
the
higher
windows
didn't
really
have
good
access
and
we
found
the
glazing
on
windows,
which
is
another
common
special
canadian
material
was
hot
for
asbestos.
They
had
four
percent
crisis
tile.
Anything
greater
than
one
percent
is
considered
an
asbestos
containing
material.
I
Secondly,
we
did
a
lead-based
paint
inspection
we
collected,
tested,
248,
different
painted
components
or
coated
surfaces
in
the
building
for
lead
using
a
field
xrf
analyzer
and
anything
greater
than
one
milligram
of
lead
per
square
centimeter
is
classified
as
lead-based
paint
under
state
and
federal
regulations.
We
identified
a
lot
of
materials
as
kind
of
expected.
Lead
paint
was
banned
in
1978
from
most
cases,
and
so
this
is
being
an
older
building.
I
It's
not
unusual
to
find
a
lot
of
lead-based
paint.
A
lot
of
it
was
in
poor
condition.
Again.
If
it's
in
poor
condition,
then
it
can
release
lead
dust
which
is
a
hazard
to
children
under
ages,
6,
primarily
and
due
to
intake.
We
did
not
do
lead
dust
sampling,
which
is
often
required
in
buildings,
because
dust
is
the
most
common
way
that
lead
is
ingested
and
based
on
the
lead
paint
being
in
poor
condition
in
numerous
aerial
areas
of
the
building.
There's
likely
elevated
lead
dust
on
floors
and
horizontal
surfaces
in
the
building
too.
I
I
The
walls
and
ceiling
in
the
rear
stairwell
were
intact
to
poor
condition
with
lead
paint.
The
baseboards
throughout
the
residence
contain
lead-based
paint.
The
stair
treads
the
stringers,
the
risers
all
contained
lead,
paint
and
poor
condition,
primarily
door
casings
were
in
poor
to
intact
condition.
I
So
a
lot
of
lead-based
pain
in
the
building
that,
even
if
it's
not
occupied
by
children
in
the
future,
osha
requires
that
contractors
who
are
working
with
materials
that
have
let
pain
have
to
follow
osha
requirements
and
make
sure
that
they're
not
exposing
their
workers.
Above
the
permissible
exposure
limit
for
airborne
lead.
I
And
finally,
we
also
did
a
visual
for
mold
in
the
building.
We
noticed
several
areas
of
water
staining
and
wood,
rot
and
evidence
of
mold
in
those
areas
a
lot
of
times,
mold's
not
visible.
On
the
surface,
it's
behind
the
walls
where
the
mold
is
it
may
be
wet,
but
it
tends
to
grow
sometimes
in
the
backside
of
drywall.
On
the
back
side
of
wall
surfaces,
you'll
see
some
of
it
and
sometimes
in
the
front,
and
then
you
open
up
the
wall
and
there's
mold
all
on
the
back
side
of
the
wall
wall
assemblies.
I
Mold
is
ubiquitous,
it's
an
airborne
spore
and
if
there's
the
right,
substrate
like
plaster
or
drywall
those
kinds
of
materials
and
there's
moisture,
mold
will
grow,
and
so
I'm
sure,
since
we
did
this
in
january
as
warmer
conditions
increase
here
than
being
in
spring-
we're
going
to
see
a
lot
more
mold
growing
in
the
building.
Because
of
all
the
moisture,
that's
continued
to
to
come
in.
I
I
A
I
actually
do
no,
I
know
we're
talking
a
lot
about
acm
and
lead-based
paint
and
potentially
mold,
and
then
the
costs
are
very
high
to
abate
it.
But
you
know,
even
if
this
hpc
grants
the
application
for
demolition.
Those
are.
You
still
need
to
abate
those
things
before
you
demolish
the
building
is,
isn't
that
correct,
and
can
you
speak
to.
I
You
you
would
have
to
remove
the
espresso
container
materials
you
do
not
have
to
remove
the
lead-based
paint
or
the
mold,
so
it
would
be,
there
would
be.
The
effects
of
containing
materials
would
have
to
be
abated
if
they
become
friable
during
the
demolition
process,
and
in
most
cases
we
would
always
recommend
that
they
be
removed.
But
again,
lead-based
paint
no
longer
is
required
to
be
removed
during
demolition
and
same
with
mold
is
not
required
to
be
removed
during
demolition.
H
B
I
I
I
H
E
H
Okay
thanks.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
I
think
the
neighborhood
group
had
a
lot
of
questions
and
concerns
about
the
cost
and
we're
trying
to
get
our
hands
around
the
scope
of
the
work
for
everybody
and
explain
the
cost.
It
might
be
helpful
for
the
commissioners
to
hear
from
the
contractor
to
sort
of
go
through
what
some
of
the
big
particular
line
items
are
and
how
we
got
to
this
price.
We
did
walk
through
a
lot
of
subs
to
make
sure
that
the
numbers
were
accurate.
H
B
E
J
I
We
were
approached
by
william
wells,
architects
and
the
owner
of
this
property
to
take
a
look
at
the
possibility
of
repairing
and
renovating
the
property
we
do
have
worked
for
william
in
the
past
on
other
projects,
so
he
had
reached
out
to
us.
He
created
a
10-page
specification
that
he
presented
to
us
and
in
early
february
we
actually
had
an
on-site
meeting
at
times
set
up
appointments
set
up
with
the
various
trade
contractors
that
worked
for
us
to
come
through
and
physically
visit.
I
I
B
E
E
So
I
reached
out
to
william
to
kind
of
see
if
there
was
another
avenue
and
that's
kind
of
where
we
ended
up
here.
Our
original
idea
was
just
to
renovate
the
place
and
it
was
a
complete
one
thing
after
another
kept
popping
up,
and
so
I
think
the
best
thing
to
do
was
to
potentially
demo
it
and
that's
how
we
arrived
at
this
meeting
today
and
I'll.
Take
any
questions.
B
B
B
B
D
Yes,
for
some
reason,
teams
doesn't,
like
my
other
headphones,
so
I'll
just
stick
with
my
old
earbuds.
I
I
appreciated
staff
response
to
my
question
about
a
district,
I'm
very
concerned
about
the
way
that
we've
kind
of
approached
this
whole
area
we've
expressed
concern
in
the
past,
related
to
the
the
last
district
that
we
just
recommended
for
designation.
I
I
do
agree
with
staff.
This
is
not
a
property
that
would
be
individually
eligible,
in
my
opinion,
basically
because
of
integrity.
D
If
nothing
else,
I
don't
know
that
doing
a
study
would
show
that
it
would
be
individually
eligible
for
for
landmarking,
and
it
is
quite
a
always
it's
not
that
far
from
the
district
we
just
nominated,
but
there's
some
pretty
major
intrusions
between
this
property
and
the
the
district
that
we
just
looked
at.
So
I'm
really
curious
to
know
what
other
commissioners
think
about
this?
It's
it's
always
a
struggle
like
you
said
it's
always
a
struggle
when
we're
talking
about
demolition-
and
I
know
that
the
neighborhood
has
some
very
valid
concerns.
B
B
A
Yeah,
I
actually
I
was
you
stole
my
thunder
because
I
was
going
to
say
the
amount
of
effort
and
work
that's
going
to
take
into
making
this
home
livable
again
and
bringing
it
up
to
code.
By
the
time
all
the
work
is
done.
There's
there's
going
to
be
nothing
left
of
the
you
know
original
building,
so
I
I
I
hate
to
you
know
demolish
a
building
by
a
master
architect,
but
I
think
I'm
definitely
leaning
towards
agreeing
with
staff
recommendations
on
this
one.
B
I
did
appreciate
the
neighborhoods
concerns,
and
I
you
know,
as
many
of
us
have
have
jobs
in
the
preservation
field.
The
idea
that
the
greenest
building
is
the
one
that
is
already
built
is
certainly
something
I
feel
strongly
about.
I
think
that
issue
gets
further
complicated
when
you
have
issues
with
things
like
asbestos,
because
you
know
the
it
requires
wholesale
removal
of
those
parts
and
when
it's
the
entire
exterior
of
the
building,
that's
this
is
kind
of
a
hard
place
to
be.
K
Okay,
I'm
gonna
go
ahead
and
say
that
I
agree
with
staff
findings
and
I
I
believe
that
this,
this
property
is
not
a
historic
resource
and
our
job
as
a
heritage.
Preservation
commission
isn't
to
really
weigh
in
on.
You
know
the
existing
building
green
and
as
much
as
I
agree
that
we
should
save
materials
as
much
as
possible.
I
just
don't
think
that
I
can
look
at
this
application
and
see
that
this
is
a
historic
resource.
K
L
Nystrom,
I
feel
like
I'm
now,
just
echoing
everybody
else,
but
I
agree
it's
unfortunate
because
I
I've
driven
past
this
house
hundreds
of
times
and
it's
beautiful,
but
with
all
of
the
issues
that
we
saw
and
we've
read
about
and
exactly
what
commissioner
johnson
said
I
mean
once
you
do
all
of
that
to
rebuild
it,
it's
no
longer
going
to
be
but
really
historic
house.
So
I
am
finding
myself
to
agree
with
staff
findings
as
well,
even
though
I'm
sad
to
see
it
go.
B
C
B
J
C
A
C
C
C
J
B
M
M
This
text
amendment
was
introduced
by
council
member
lisa
goodman
of
ward
7
as
an
incentive
to
property
owners
with
designated
historic
landmarks
to
allow
flexibility
to
recent
standards
added
to
title
12
of
the
city's
housing
code
under
licensing.
The
amendment
adds
an
administrative
waiver
process
for
designated
landmarks
that
include
dwellings
with
short-term
rental
units.
M
Currently,
the
only
other
incentive
available
to
designated
properties
in
minneapolis
is
the
historic
variance
which
allows
the
departure
of
the
literal
requirements
from
the
zoning
code.
Not
the
licensing
code,
if
found
to
further
the
preservation
of
the
property
waivers,
will
only
be
permitted
relative
to
the
requirements
applicable
to
short-term
dwelling
units
under
title
12.
M
The
administrative
findings
for
the
waiver
will
be
very
similar
to
those
for
the
historic
variants
and
will
be
granted
under
a
joint
sign
off
between
the
planning
director
and
the
regulatory
services
director.
Next
slide.
Please
this
these
next
few
slides
are
just
showing
the
the
language
that
is
being
modified,
which
is
actually
fairly
minor.
M
The
amendment
will
modify
three
sections
to
chapter
599
under
definitions,
as
shown
here.
One
mentioned
to
point
out
several
years
ago.
We
changed
the
language
for
historic
variants
due
to
a
lawsuit
to
not
cause
or
not
condition,
or
have
a
finding
for
a
variance.
That's
called
hardship
but
change
the
language
to
practical
difficulties,
and
we
had
changed
it
in
other
sections
in
599,
but
did
not
appear
to
change
it
under
the
definition.
M
M
M
No
waivers
shall
be
authorized
for
occupancy
requirements,
you
know
and
then
the
the
findings
are
there
as
well,
which
are
very
similar
to
the
historic
variants,
but
that
is
pretty
much
the
meat
of
the
text.
Amendment
as
shown
in
this
slide
with
this.
The
department
of
community
planning
and
economic
development
recommends
that
the
heritage,
preservation,
commission
and
city
council
adopt
staff
findings
to
amend
title
23
of
the
minneapolis
code
of
ordinances
as
follows.
M
This
is
an
item
where,
even
though
it's
not
a
public
hearing
formally,
we
call
these
action
items
and
we
often
use
them
for
national
register
nominations.
When
the
commission
does
need
to
make
a
formal
recommendation-
and
in
this
case
a
text
amendment
is
only
formally
adopted
at
council
similar
to
a
designation.
M
So
in
this
case
the
hpc
just
makes
a
recommendation.
They
provide
comments.
They
can
agree
or
disagree
with
staff
findings
on
the
text
amendment
and
then
it
will
actually
get
noticed
for
a
public
hearing
at
the
business
inspections,
housing
and
zoning
committee
of
the
city
council,
which
happens
after
this
meeting.
So
there
will
be
a
chance
for
public
comment
at
this
point,
but
I
will
take
hpc
comments
and
recommendations
to
that
meeting
based
on
staff
recommendation.
D
Thank
you,
and
thanks
for
explaining
the
change
to
the
undue
hardship
to
practical
difficulties
thing
that
was
going
to
be
my
first
question,
and
I
don't
need
to
ask
about
that
now.
I
guess
my
big
question
is:
is
this
waiver
is
very
very
specific,
related
to
the
short
term
rentals
and
I'm
curious?
Are
there
other
things
ever
that
we
might
need
a
waiver,
for
that
would
suggest
that
we
should
make
this
a
little
bit
more
flexible
down
the
line.
D
M
M
M
M
So
we
don't
have
a
lot
of
you
know
and
you,
I
won't
say,
unusual
requests,
but
just
so
we
can
sort
of
see
how
this
goes
and
how
it
works
and
how
we
might
be
able
to
to
work
with
it,
because,
right
now,
with
the
zoning
code,
we
can
work
with.
You
know
our
our
neighboring
zoning
staff
and
planning
staff
on
on
requests.
However,
housing
is,
is
a
completely
different
section,
even
though
we're
all
under
cped,
and
I
think
there
were
some
concerns
about
opening
a
little
bit
too
much
in
that
respect.
B
B
B
I
guess
not
knowing
a
ton
about
code,
and
you
know
the
text,
amendments
and
things
like
that.
I
guess
I
just
appreciate
the
idea
of
creating
an
incentive
for
historic
property
owners,
and
I
liked
the
fact
that
it
was
specific
to
individually
designated
properties.
It
seemed
like,
as
opposed
to
districts,
at
least
that's
how
I
was
interpreting
it,
and
so
I
this
did
seem
like
a
narrow
way
to
start,
which
made
sense
to
me,
commissioner,
johnson.
A
So
I
agree-
I
am
not
a
a
wonk
on
this
code,
so
I
guess
I'm
trying
to
still
wrap
my
head
around
it
because
there's
a
lot
of
it
looks
like
a
lawyer
wrote
this
and
I
just
want
to
make
sure
I
understand.
What's
being
asked
of
us
before
I
vote
on
it.
I
guess
essentially
in
layman's
terms,
is
we're
offering
an
incentive
to
people
in
historic
buildings
or
districts
to
for
for,
like
airbnbs.
A
Is
that
what
we're
considering
short-term
rentals
or
I
mean
not
airbnb's
like,
but
that
sure
that
type
of
market
is
that?
Is
that
what's
happening
and
what
is
what's
the
incentive?
I
guess
I'm
just
not
really
following
100
what
is
being
asked.
So
I
guess
I'm
asking
some
clarity,
maybe
in
layman's
terms-
and
I
apologize-
if
I'm
just
being
told
on
this.
M
Commissioner,
johnson,
I
can
answer
your
question.
You
are
not.
You
have
all
very
valid
questions
based
on
how
it's
written
it's
kind
of
code
speak
essentially,
what
you're
saying
is
all
correct.
Yes,
it
is
without
lack
of
a
better
term
referring
to
airbnbs
and
the
number
of
airbnbs
you
can
get
on
a
building
based
on
the
most
recent
change
to
the
the
housing
ordinance
and
the
license
that
was
created.
M
It
is
only
for
landmarks,
so
you
are
correct,
chair
sunburg!
It
is
not
for
districts
as
a
way
to
start
small
and
essentially
to
to
put
into
very
basic
terms
to
help
explain
it
kind
of
just
what
I
said
is
a
way
to
incentivize
owners
of
historic
landmarks
to
be
able
to
have
more,
I'm
going
to
say
airbnb,
but
it
doesn't
always
have
to
be
that
way.
Then,
then,
what
is
me
currently
allowed
by
this
recent
code?
Change
that
came
into
effect
in
december
of
2020.?
B
D
You
know,
we've
been
we've
been
begging
for
more
incentives
that
we
can
give
to
to
local
landmark
owners,
and
this
is
not
one
that
I
envisioned
so
so
yay
for
thinking
outside
the
box.
I
guess
I
I'm
curious
about
what
the
ramifications
will
be
for
some
of
these
neighborhoods.
You
know
short-term
rentals.
You
have
tons
of
traffic
and
stuff
like
that,
and
I
don't
know
that
we
we
know
what
all
those
ramifications
may
be.
D
Obviously
our
ordinance
can
be
amended
again.
Should
we
decide
that
it's
not
working
the
way
we
expected
it
to
I'd,
be
I'm
still
curious
as
to
how
this
sort
of
thing
has
been
handled
across
the
country,
and
I
don't
know
if
any
city
staff
are
part
of
the
national
alliance
for
preservation
commissions
listserv.
D
I
know
I've
I've
seen
dr
smoly
comments
or
or
post
in
there.
It
might
be
worth
shooting
some
emails
out
to
some
of
our
colleagues
to
see
how
other
people
have
dealt
with
with
this
idea
of
a
waiver
and
not
just
related
to
short-term
rentals.
But
this
whole
idea
of
a
waiver
in
general,
as
opposed
to
a
variance.
D
B
B
I
guess
I'm
envisioning
so
like
if
you
had
a
large
mansion
and
you're
dividing
it
up
into
a
whole
bunch
of
short-term
rental
units.
Is
there
a
cap
on
how
many,
or
is
it
simply
based
off
the
fact
that
they
can't
override
health
safety
and
welfare,
so
they
have
to
still
all
be
code
compliant
units,
because
I
guess
I'm
trying
to
figure
out
what
it?
What
exactly
where
the
line
is,
what
exactly
we're
letting
people
do
that
they
can't
already
do.
M
It's
a
little
bit
thanks
to
your
similar,
it's
a
little
bit
of
both
of
what
you
just
said.
Yes,
it
is
capping
it
so
that
no
more
than
50
of
them
can
be
used
for
short-term
rentals,
so
you
don't
have,
let's
say
per
se
an
entirely
large
mansion
or
you
have
a
large
apartment
building
and
everything
is
going
to
be
short-term
rental
units
because
that
maybe
goes
too
far
to
one
end
of
the
spectrum,
but
it
also
you
know
added
in
some
of
that
specific
language,
so
that
there
is
no
health
safety
code.
B
A
I
don't
know,
renovate
and,
and
have
50
percent
be
short-term
rentals,
so
so
this
waiver,
where
we're
allowing
them
they
would,
you
know
they
would
potentially
be
able
to
use
materials
that
we
normally
wouldn't
allow
them
to.
Is
that
is
that
like
what
we're
granting
the
waiver
for
to
allow
them
to
go
against
the
historic
guidelines
for
that
neighborhood
or
that
district
or
that
specific
building?
Is
that
and
maybe
use
materials
they
weren't
originally
allowed
to
use
or
or
what?
What's?
What's,
the
waiver
actually
for.
M
No
thanks,
commissioner
johnson.
No,
it
wouldn't
be
anything
for
materials
or
anything
against
the
guideline.
It
is
strictly
basically
anything
in
that
section
of
244
1845
that
can
be
asked
for
for
a
waiver
in
a
joint
sign-off
between
the
planning
director
and
the
director
of
reg
services,
provided
they
can
meet
that
finding
that
it.
You
know
further,
essentially
I'm
going
to
summarize
here,
but
furthers
the
preservation
of
the
property.
It's
pretty
much
just
related
to
use
is
kind
of
the
crux
of
it
and
being
able
to
have
more
short-term
rental
units.
M
Then
you
would
be
able
to
have
in
such
a
building
under
the
current
code
with
the
most
recent
changes,
but
no,
they
would
still
have
to
there's
a
provision
we
also
added
in
the
in
the
language
that
says
they
still
need
to
follow
all
building
code.
Zoning
code,
which
includes
chapter
599,
title
23,
which
is
the
you
know,
heritage,
preservation
or
like
regulations.
So
it's
mostly
just
use
and
and
number
and
maybe
some
other
items
in
there
that
are
maybe
granted.
B
M
B
D
M
M
You
know
I
should
have
concluded
the
words
recommend,
forgive
me
but
recommend
to
approve
the
text,
amendment
to
add
and
amend
provisions
related
to
a
waiver
process
for
designated
properties
and
that's
largely
taken
directly
from
the
way
the
text
amendment
was
introduced
at
council
back
in
january
of
2021,
and
if
you
want
me
to
repeat
that
I
can
or
I
can
type
I
can
put
it
into
the
chat.
So
you
can
read
it
too.
K
B
A
C
B
M
I
do
thank
you
yeah,
so
I
wanted
to
give
an
update.
I
know
it's
been
a
little
bit
of
a
little
bit
of
time
since
we
met,
but
there
we
have
two
resource
well,
most
recent
designated
properties
that
were
accepted
and
designated
at
council.
The
tyler
street
john
cookhouse
was
designated
by
city
council,
the
beginning
of
april
and
then
the
three
mary
lochran
homes,
historic
district,
was
designated
also
by
council,
the
middle
of
april.
M
M
M
D
Thank
you.
I
just
wanted
to
mention.
We
all
got
an
email
quite
a
while
ago
now
that
the
national
park
service
was
giving
out
scholarships
to
the
main
street
conference,
and
I
was
lucky
enough
to
receive
a
scholarship.
So
I
attended
the
main
street
conference
a
couple
weeks
ago,
all
remotely,
of
course,
and
I
can
report
out
a
little
more
in
depth,
some
perhaps
at
a
retreat.
D
But
I
just
wanted
to
mention
a
couple
things
that
stuck
in
my
mind
and
one
was
that
there
appears
to
be
a
disconnect
on
what
the
the
future
of
preservation
is,
and
this
is
a
long-standing
disconnect.
I
could
get
into
a
long
conversation
about
these
things,
but
the
national
trust
is
putting
together
sort
of
a
white
paper.
D
An
agenda
for
what
direction
preservation
should
go
so
keep
an
eye
on
the
national
trust
to
see
what
kind
of
direction
they're
proposing
for
preservation
in
general,
and
the
other
thing
that
I
I
was
really
interested
to
to
learn
more
about
at
the
conference
was
the
urban
maine
program,
which
is
a
kind
of
a
subset
of
the
main
street
program.
Typically
a
main
street
program.
D
You're
thinking
a
smaller
town
with
a
main
street
one
commercial
district,
urban
maine
is
for
communities
like
minneapolis,
where
we
have
lots
of
little
commercial
nodes,
and
I'm
really
starting
to
think
about
how
that
might
be
something
that
we
could
tap
into
in
minneapolis
for
some
of
our
little
commercial
areas,
especially
in
light
of
everything.
That's
happened
over
the
last
year
and
the
other
thing
I
wanted
to
mention
is:
I
have
newly
been
selected
to
be
a
trainer
with
the
national
alliance
of
preservation
commissions
and
for
preservation
month.
D
The
national
alliance
for
preservation
commissions
is
doing
a
bunch
of
online
remote
stuff,
starting
this
thursday
night.
There's
going
to
be
a
preservation,
trivia
thing
next
week,
there's
going
to
be
a
webinar
midday
on
thursday
about
community
outreach
strategies
for
preservation,
commissions
and
boards,
and
then
on
the
27th
kind
of
midday.
D
Again,
that's
another
thursday
they're
going
to
do
a
webinar
on
1970s
and
1980s
architecture,
and
so,
if
you're
interested
go
to
napcommissions.org,
I
believe
it
is
and
look
under
news
and
it'll
be
the
the
top
item
under
news
and
you
can
just
everything's
free.
You
just
have
to
register
through
their
their
new
webinar
system
and
then
encourage
you.
If
you
have
time
and
can
attend,
please
do.
B
B
So
this
is
like
the
the
big
conference
that
many
architects
in
the
state
attend
they're,
currently
doing
their
call
for
program
proposals,
and
I
have
been
roped
into
working
on
their
committee
arranging
the
programming
and
one
of
the
topics
they
want.
Speakers
on
is
preservation,
and
so
I
was
really
excited
to
see
that
that
hit
their
list
of
topics
this
year
for
what
they'd
like
people
to
sit
down
on
programs.
B
For
so,
if
you
have
any
ideas
for
either
a
presentation,
you
would
like
to
present
that
you
think
architects
in
the
state
should
see
or
a
speaker
you've
seen
at
a
webinar.
Since
I
know
we've
all
had
more
time
for
webinars
recently
than
at
least
I.
I
know
I've
attended
a
lot
more.
If
there
was
a
speaker,
you
saw
that
you
think
we
should
try
to
lobby
to
do
a
webinar
for
the
aia
here.
B
Please
shoot
me
an
email
because
I'm
looking
for
ideas
and
if
you
go
to
the
ai's
website,
you
can
find
the
call
for
proposals
if
you
have
an
idea
that
you
just
want
to
like
jump
on
it.
I
think
there
are
a
lot
of
architects
in
this,
especially
maybe
in
the
twin
cities.
As
we
know,
the
ones
we
interact
with
most
directly,
who
maybe
could
could
use
some
words
of
wisdom
about
preservation
before
they
come
before
us
for
items.
So
I
guess
I'm
thinking.
B
B
I
don't
see
any
so
with
that.
We
have
completed
all
items
on
the
agenda
for
this
meeting.
I
will
again
ask
members
and
staff
if
there
are
any
other
matters
to
come
before
this
meeting
there
being
no
other
business.
This
meeting,
if
not
and
without
objection,
I
will
declare
this
meeting
adjourned.
The
next
regular
meeting
of
the
hpc
is
may
18
2021.