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From YouTube: February 11, 2021 Transgender Equity Council
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B
A
So
good
evening
my
name
is
track.
I'm
the
staffer
of
the
transgender
equity
council.
Before
we
begin
I'd
like
to
know
that
this
meeting
includes
the
remote
participation
of
members
as
authorized
under
minnesota
statutes,
section
13d
.021
due
to
the
declared
local
health
pandemic,
the
city
will
be
recording
and
posting
this
meeting
to
the
city's
website
and
youtube
channel
as
a
means
of
increasing
public
access
and
transparency
board
meetings
are
pub
public
and
subject
to
the
minnesota
open
meeting
law.
A
C
B
B
D
Billy
here
becca
doesn't
appear
to
be
here
yet
galen
here.
A
A
Here
and
I
know
casey
sure
and
cece
all
let
me
know
that
they
couldn't
make
it
tonight,
so
we
do
have
a
quorum
and
I'm
going
to
pass
it
to
kenzie
so
that
we
can
review
and
adopt
the
agenda
in
minutes.
C
All
right
so,
who
wants
to
move
to
adopt
the
agenda?
The
agenda.
A
And
actually
this
is
track,
I'm
realizing
that
there
are
two
things
to
edit
on
the
agenda.
Number
nine
on
the
agenda
is
updates
from
the
office
of
violence
prevention
meeting,
but
that
meeting
was
postponed
and
hasn't
happened
yet,
so
we
should
remove
that
because
there
are
no
updates
and
we
were
going
to
do
a
part
two
of
co-chair
elections,
but
the
person
who
was
interested
in
running
as
a
third
chair
couldn't
make
it
tonight.
So
I
guess
I
would
propose
removing
those
two
and
adopting
the
agenda
with
those
amendments.
A
Awesome,
thank
you,
and
so
I'm
gonna
call
roll
for
all
in
favor.
Thank
you
all
for
going
through
this
process.
Kenzie!
Yes,
niko.
B
E
A
A
C
D
E
A
A
The
next
item
on
the
agenda
is
that
I
was
going
to
give
a
quick
report
back
on
the
conversation
we
had
last
month
about
recording
meetings,
so
I
just
wanted
to
let
you
all
know
that
I
have
met
with
the
city
clerk
about
what
protections,
if
any
we
have
in
place
for
tec
members
or
members
of
the
public
attending
gec
meetings
who
are
concerned
about,
like
the
potential
safety
implications
of
our
meetings
being
recorded
and
posted
on
youtube.
A
Unfortunately,
the
answers
that
I
was
that
I
was
given
is
that
the
only
protection
provided
is
the
same.
The
same
thing
we
offer
to
city
council
members,
which
is
just
to
call
the
police
if
you
are
threatened,
which
I
yeah
I
wanted
to
report
back,
that
that
was
what
was
told
to
me.
I
know
that
that
does
not
necessarily
address
does
not
address
the
concerns
that
were
brought
up.
We
will
be
required
once
we
are
meeting
in
person
whenever
that
is
to
also
record
in-person
meetings.
A
That's
new
for
those
of
you
who
were
on
the
tec
pre-covered.
When
we
met
in
person
we
will.
I
have
been
instructed
that
we
will
angle
the
camera
such
that
we
will
be.
Recording
members
and
folks
who
are
members
of
the
public
and
not
appointed
members
of
the
tec
are
welcome
to
sit
so
that
they're
out
of
the
camera
angle,
if
they
so
wish.
A
Obviously,
that
can't
be
well.
Anyone
is
welcome
to
just
call
in
or
to
keep
their
video
off
here.
What
that
looks
like
online
and
what
that
looks
like
in
person
are
different.
The
state
of
minnesota
is
not
one
of
those
states
that
actually
provides
a
right
to
privacy
only
to
having
certain
data
made
private
under
certain
circumstances,
and
so,
although
minneapolis
has
adopted
privacy
principles,
they
have
to
be
within
the
requirements
of
state
law,
and
that
is
what
gets
us
into
this
situation.
A
I'm
fully
aware
that
does
not
particularly
answer
or
address
the
questions
that
were
asked
transparently.
I
don't
think
I'm
going
to
be
able
to
get
an
answer
that
sufficiently
addresses
the
concerns
raised,
but
wanted
to
honestly
report
back
what
I
had
been
told
and
if
anyone
has
any
questions
right
now,
I
am
happy
to
either
try
to
answer
them
or
to
take
them
back
to
other
folks
in
the
city
and
report
back
to
you
all.
A
A
If
no
one
has
any
questions
right
now
again
always
feel
free
to
email
me
if
anything
comes
up
and
I'm
more
than
happy
to
talk
in
a
true
moment
of
transparent
facilitation.
The
next
item
on
the
agenda
was
some
follow-up
from
strategic
planning.
That
hunter
was
going
to
lead
since
he's
not
here
yet
kenzie.
Do
you
want
to
lead
it?
I'm
also
happy
to
hold
any
pieces
that
you
don't
want
to,
because
you
weren't
planning
on
it.
C
C
C
E
Hey
everyone,
this
is
emma.
Can
we
confirm
at
the
last
minute
or
sorry
at
the
last
meeting,
did
we
decide
that
we
were
going
to
have
just
two
subcommittees?
E
E
E
C
Awesome,
I
agree,
and
I
think
it's
kind
of
naturally
played
out
that
way
actually
and
when
we
move
forward
with
our
elections,
part
two
there's
going
to
be
a
lucky
subcommittee
that
has
two
co-chairs
so
look
forward
to
that.
But
does
anyone
else
have
any
feedback
on
that?
First
follow-up.
C
All
right-
and
I
mean
if,
if
we're
still
stewing,
feel
free
to
send
out
an
email.
Second
follow-up
question
is
what
items
are
useful
for
co-chairs
and
staff
to
be
putting
on
monthly
agendas
consistently
to
support
this.
C
E
Hi,
this
is
emma
again,
I
would
say
some
of
the
things
that
I
think
would
be
important
are
policy
or
I'm
sorry,
subcommittee,
check-ins
for
sure
any
kind
of
recommendations
from
council
would
be
helpful
or
anything
that
council
wants
to
like
float
by
the
tec.
E
Yeah,
I
think,
any
kind
of
pertinent
things
that
are
kind
of
floating
out
there
throughout
the
city
that
track.
You
may
become
aware
of
just
general
updates
on
what
is
kind
of
happening.
A
A
And
this
is
track.
I
will
I'm
going
to
kind
of
add
a
sub
question
to
this.
That
I
meant
to
write
in
here,
which
is,
I
think,
kind
of
what's
been
happening
right
now.
Is
I've
been
trying
to
bug
council
staff
to
keep
me
updated
on
what
might
be
moving
forward,
and
then
I've
brought
it
kind
of
to
the
policy
subcommittee
to
as
a
place
to
then
workshop
it
before
bringing
it
to
the
larger
tec,
and
so
I
think
part
of
my
question
is
like.
A
Does
that
feel
good
and
the
other
part
of
the
question
that
I
at
least
personally
have
around
this
is
of
the
things
that,
like
we
discussed
in
the
january
27th
strategic
planning
meeting
of
policy
that
we
expect
to
happen,
is
there
anything
where
you're
like
we
know
right
now?
We
want
to
be
writing
a
letter
to
council
and
organizing
people
to
testify
and
all
sorts
of
stuff,
so
we
should
have
that
on
our
radar
in
terms
of
capacity
and
time.
H
This
is
ray
just
generally.
I
would
be
really
interested
specifically
my
ears
perked
up
when
someone
mentioned
that
the
new
first
responder
team
for
mental
health
crises
is
being
formed.
So
anytime
the
council
might
be
talking
about
how
that's
going
to
work
or
their
training
opportunities
or
hiring
is
starting.
C
Beautiful
and
like
I
said,
if
anyone
has
any
thoughts
kind
of
after
the
fact,
you
know
just
send
us
an
email.
C
A
C
Up
to
do
that,
I
realized
okay.
Yes,
this
is
very
funny.
Okay,
in
my
mind,
we
were
doing
training
first
and
then
policy,
but
whatever
okay,
so
we
we
looked
at
the
minneapolis,
transforming
community
safety
updates,
as
well
as
the
alternatives
to
police
response
presentation,
and
you
know
we
just
kind
of
unpacked
that
what
we
liked,
what
we
would
like
to
see
moving
forward,
and
I
think
that
we
all
agreed
that
it's
definitely
a
good
start
to
a
conversation
that
we
need
to
have.
C
But
it's
you
know
it's
going
to
take
a
lot
of
work
and
a
lot
of
time
and
someone
also
brought
up
a
great
point.
It's
hard
to
contextualize.
C
C
So
obviously
there
are
some
financial
limitations
there
and
in
terms
of
alternatives
to
policing,
we
are
looking
into
what
the
hiring
practices
for
mental
health
for
the
mental
health
team
looks
like
you
know
what
are
their
credentials
experiences
what's
their
relationship
with
community
we're
also
asking
questions
like
who
is
deciding
what
the
training
looks
like
for
those
who
are
going
to
be
hired
for
that
kind
of
first
responder
team,
and
is
this
a
training
that
community
members
can
provide
feedback
on
things
like
that?
C
Let's
see,
we
also
discussed
what
our
longer
term
recommendations
would
be,
and
I
mean
pretty
straightforward
to
re-
allocate
more
of
the
mpd
budget
to
better
support
the
work,
including
more
funding
for
the
mental
health
crisis
team,
so
that
they
can
respond
in
a
timely
manner.
C
And
then
we
discussed
the
recommendations
to
city
council
and
talked
about
how
we
want
that
to
be
organized,
and
we
all
agreed
that,
since
there
are
a
bunch
of
housing
policies,
kind
of
on
the
brink
of
being
passed,
that
we
really
want
to
push
all
of
those
housing
recommendations
through
first
and.
C
It
looks
like
we're
just
going
to
continue
down
this
path
and
we
also
are
continuing
the
conversation
around
decriminalizing
sex
work
and
what
that
policy
would
look
like.
So
that
is
what
I
have
for
the
policy
overview
and,
of
course,
if
anything
or
anyone
else
has
something
that
they
want
to
add
that
they
think
is
important,
feel
free,
but
otherwise
that
is
what
I
got.
A
I
this
is
track.
I
actually
have
one
question
for
you
all
out
of
that,
since
the
policy
team
met
and
talked
talked
about
some
of
the
content
that
was
in
those
recommendations
to
council.
A
One
of
those
things
that
you
are
recommending
to
council
is
that
regulatory
services
train
landlords
on
like
anti-discrimination,
related
content
and
I've
met
with
some
staff
from
regulatory
services
and
they're
very
excited
to
create
some
like
deep
dive
webinars
on
anti-discrimination
content,
which
is
great
so
also
feel
free
to
send
me
this
in
a
follow-up
email
afterwards,
but
you
all
get
to
have
a
big
say
in
what
some
of
that
content
entails,
and
I
would
love
to
hear
what
folks
want
landlords
to
be
hearing
ray.
I
see
your
hand.
H
Yeah
thanks,
I
just
had
another
question
for
the
policy
team
and
kind
of
for
track.
Too
sorry,
I
don't
know
this
track.
Do
we
have
a
parks?
Member
right
now.
A
H
So
maybe,
as
an
fyi
for
both
policy
and
training
subcommittees,
they
are
also
shifting
so
that
the
folks,
responding
to
encampment
are
not
parks
police,
but
they
are
reassigning
a
bunch
of
their
workers.
It
just
you
know,
told
them
that
they're
going
to
be
kind
of
first
responders
to
people
experiencing
homelessness
in
park
spaces,
and
I
don't
know
how
they're
being
trained.
H
C
C
I
will
say
just
to
quickly
respond
to
that.
We
are
currently
working
track.
Correct
me.
If
I
don't
get
all
these
details
wrong
or
if
I
don't
get
these
details
right,
we're
looking
at
what
kind
of
policy
and
like
training
we
have
with
the
outreach
workers
in
the
city
of
minneapolis,
and
I
think
that
I
mean
they
won't
be
the
first
responders,
but
I
think
that
they
are
definitely
going
to
be
some
first
responders,
giving
that
they're
kind
of
out
there
actually
doing
the
work.
A
A
I'm
just
gonna
pause
for
one
second
to
let
our
interpreters
get
logged
back
on,
so
that
we
have
access
for.
I
Yep,
I
think
we're
good
to
go.
Coco's
there
and
hunter
can
see
her.
B
C
Yes,
yeah,
I
think
I
just
wrapped
up
the
policy
summary
and
I
think
we're
ready
to
kick
it
to
training
if
somebody
from
training
wants
to
kind
of
report
back
on
their.
C
H
This
is
ray
I
can
go.
I
don't
think
we
decided
who
is
sharing,
but
if
other
people
will
jump
in
that
will
be
great
so
from
us
just
an
update
that
track
and
destiny
and
folks
in
race,
equity
and
hr.
H
Have
been
talking
about
where
the
training
is
going
to
be
housed,
it
could
be
in
race
equity.
It
could
be
in
human
resources
each
for
different
reasons.
So
we
decided
as
a
group
that
whatever
works
and
and
is
sustainable
in
terms
of
making
sure
the
training
continues,
we're
fine
with
we
don't
have
a
preference
so
stay
tuned
for
what
happens
with
that.
The
interpreter
training
nick
from
neighborhood
and
community
relations
is
finally
getting
a
little
bit
caught
up.
H
The
city
extended
their
contract
with
the
interpreters
through
the
end
of
2021,
so
he's
just
starting
to
write
the
next
rfp
and
hopefully
we'll
have
something
in
place
before
the
summit
happens.
H
We
talked
a
little
about
what
we've
been
calling
the
201
training,
with
a
caveat
that
we
talked
about
renaming
it,
so
it
doesn't
seem
like
101
is
just
intro
fluff
that
it's
really
significant
and
just
talking
more
about
awareness
versus
building
kind
of
transformation
and
making
the
education
stick
and
having
both
available
and
what
that
would
look
like.
So
and
then
we
went
back
to
talking
about
the
intro
course
and
thinking
it
really
can't
be
a
one
and
done
because
there's
a
lot
of
turnover
as
well.
H
So
how
do
we
build
it
into
kind
of
a
cycle
or
send
out
periodic
things
to
supervisors
that
are
like
hey?
You
took
this
training.
Here's
a
discussion
question
to
use
in
your
next
staff
meeting
to
kind
of
keep
learning
and
conversation
going
all
right,
I'm
looking
I'm
looking
budget.
Always
you
know
an
issue
we're
talking
about
and.
H
A
little
talk
about
engaging
between
tec,
like
our
subcommittee
and
the
trans
issues,
work
group,
so
that
we're
kind
of
all
sharing
burden
and
also
pushing
for
like
impact
and
continuity.
H
C
All
right
ray,
that's
actually
a
beautiful
segue,
because
we
are
now
going
to
move
on
to
trans
issues.
Work
group
updates
track.
Is
that
that's
you
yeah.
A
Yes,
that
is
me
sorry.
I
was
forwarding
a
calendar
invite
to
one
of
our
presenters,
who
I
think
I
forgot
to
send
it
to
before,
but
now
it's
sent
so
the
trans
issues
work
group
is
the
internal
city
group,
mostly
staff,
that
I
kind
of
liaise
between
is
working
on
more
internal
policy.
A
I
think
I
mentioned
in
the
last
tec
meeting
that
the
issues
work
group
is
working
on
drop,
that
we'll
get
that
later
is
working
on
getting
okay,
I'm
having
a
blessed
day
requirements
around
trans
equity
written
into
our
grants,
especially
with
shelters
and
street
outreach
teams,
but
also
with
kind
of
any
other
service
providers,
whether
that's
like
employment,
opera,
like
employment,
folks,
orgs
that
help
folks
find
employment
or
anything
else,
trying
to
get
trans
equity
policies
written
into
those.
A
We
have
some
draft
policies
and
are
currently
workshopping
them
with
both
trans
and
gnc
folks,
who
have
experienced
homelessness,
especially
who
have
stayed
in
local
shelters
or
otherwise
engaged
with
local
programming
and
trans
and
gnc
folks
who
do
work
or
have
worked
in
some
of
the
local
shelters
and
other
orgs.
A
A
Please
do
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
reaching
as
many
folks
as
possible
and
that
this
policy
is
like
truly
representative
of
what
the
folks
with
the
best
lens
on
it
want
to
see
happen,
and
so
we
are
working
on
that
and
it
will
hopefully
be
something
that
we
implement
on
an
informal
level
at
both
the
city
and
the
county
relatively
shortly,
and
then
in
a
year
or
two
when
both
the
city
and
county
are
writing.
A
New
requests
for
proposals
to
start
new
contracts
will
be
something
that
is
formally
required
in
those
contracts,
because
we've
recently
started
a
bunch
of
contracts,
and
so
we
can't
get
it
in
the
ones
we
missed.
B
A
Opportunity,
but
are
hoping
to
kind
of
like
ease
folks
into
it
and
then
require
it
in
contracts
moving
forward
and
partnering
with
folks
at
the
county,
since
they
grant
to
far
more
shelters
than
we
do.
I
would
say:
that's
the
biggest
work
coming
out
of
the
transitions
work
group
right
now.
A
A
A
That
is
the
other
thing
that
I
would
love
to
hear
and
feel
free
to
shout
things
out
now
or
to
send
me
an
email
later,
whichever
feels
best
for
you,
but
that
is
probably
the
biggest
update
out
of
the
issues
work
group
right
now.
E
Hey
track
is
this
is
emma:
is
there
any
kind
of
maybe
it's
just
really
early,
but
what
would
that
training
look
like,
for
you
know,
shelter
and
outreach.
Would
that
be
like
trans
competency,
trans
and
gnc
competency
training
like
what
specifically
yeah?
What
specifically
would
that
look
like,
and
I
know
it's
also
you're
also
talking
about
implementing
policy
about
like
not
being
able
to
exclude
people
based
on
their
gender
identity.
A
Yep
totally
so
the
the
policy
that
we
would
hold,
shelters
and
street
outreach
providers
to
would
have
a
number
of
specific.
Like
you
need
to
incorporate
this
non-discrimination
policy,
you
need
to
update
your
grievance
process
in
these
ways.
You
need
to
communicate
these
things
like
to
your
volunteers,
to
your
clients,
to
your
employees
in
these
ways
and
then
would
also
have
a
requirement
around
staff
training
we.
It
would
be
some
sort
of
trans
and
gnc
competency
training,
but
we
haven't
fully
fleshed
that
out
transparently.
A
We
don't
want
to
make
these
requirements
like
an
extra
hoop
that
makes
it
really
hard
for
small
orgs
to
apply
for
our
grant.
So,
ideally,
we
will
increase
the
amount
of
the
grant
to
cover
the
cost
of
doing
any
of
this,
and
we
will
like
connect
them
to
a
trainer
etc.
So
I
would
also
say,
if
you
have
things
you
would
want
in
that
training
for
them
or
trainers.
You
would
want
us
working
on
for
that.
That's
actually
not
to
turn
your
question
back
at
you,
but
that's
not
a
thing.
A
G
Yeah,
obviously,
I'm
missing
missing
a
lot
of
context
here,
because
I'm
new,
so
I'm
just
going
to
ask-
maybe
a
maybe
a
silly
question:
is
there
existing
like
non-discrimination,
language
that
is
like
boilerplate
that
has
been
used
in
the
past
and
does
it
mention
trans
and
gnc
folks
already
and
we're
just
adding
to
it
or
is
this,
like
you
know,
we're
pioneering
a
new
inclusion.
A
Totally,
no,
that's
not
a
silly
question.
I
don't
think
I've
said
that
explicitly
minneapolis
non-discrimination
policy
does
explicitly
spell
out
gender
identity
and
has,
since
the
70s
actually
and
all
of
our
contracts,
say
that
you
have
to
abide
by
our
non-discrimination
policy.
A
What
we
know
is
that
the
distance
between
that
and
folks,
like
really
in
every
action
being
supportive
to
trans
folks,
can
be
pretty
significant
and
so
we're
trying
to
create
a
lot
of
much
more
specific
policies,
and
these
are
all
the
things
you
have
to
do
in
order
to
not
discriminate
and
at
the
top
of
the
policy,
it
will
also
say
once
again
like
it's
in
our
ordinance:
don't
do
it
in
better
words
than
that.
But
yes,
thank
you
for
that.
C
Yes,
okay,
so
we
have
katie
from
community
planning
and
economic
development
to
give
us
a
little
presentation
about
the
tenant
opportunity
to
purchase
so
yeah
new
housing
policy
updates.
F
Hi,
thank
you
kenzie
and
hi
everyone.
As
kenzie
mentioned
my
name's
katie
topinka.
I
I
use
she
her
pronouns.
I
work
in
the
community
planning
and
economic
development
department
as
a
housing
policy
coordinator,
and
I
am
here
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
our
tenant.
The
city
work
around
developing
policy
options
for
a
tenant
opportunity
to
purchase
policy
so
just
to
give
a
little
context,
I
do
have
a
presentation
I'll
share
as
well.
F
F
A
couple
of
council
members
gave
a
subject
matter
introduction
to
create
a
right
of
first
refusal
policy
for
for
affordable
housing,
which
basically
the
basic
idea,
is
that
if
a
multi-family
property
owner
was
selling
their
building,
that
they
would
have
to
give
their
tenants
the
first
right
to
purchase
the
building
before
it
went
for
sale
in
the
just.
You
know
in
general
market.
It's
the
most
well-known
policy
similar
to
that
is
in
washington,
dc
they've.
F
Had
a
long-standing
tenant
opportunity
to
purchase
policy,
and
so
we
had
some
staff
from
washington
dc
some
city
staff
and
advocacy
organizations
come
out
and
do
a
city
council
study
session
in
september
of
2019,
and
after
that
we
hired
a
consultant
to
help
us
analyze.
What
a
policy
could
look
like
in
minneapolis,
and
so
the
presentation
I'm
going
to
share
is
actually
the
consultant's
presentation
that
they
gave
to
the
the
council's
business
inspections,
housing
and
zoning
committee
in
november.
F
But
it's
really.
They
went
through
a
year
of
engagement
with
stakeholders
and
research
of
peer
city
policies
and
and
just
put
together
three
different
policy
options
that
for
our
city
council
to
consider
and
so
I'll
just
share
some
of
this
powerpoint
and
then
happy
to
have
some
discussion
and
I'll
I'll
end
with
kind
of
where
the
process
is
at
this
point
and
track
how
much?
How
much
time?
Can
you
remind
me
just
so?
I
can
pay
attention
to
how
long
I'm
talking
totally.
A
F
It
okay.
Thank
you
all
right,
I'm
going
to
share
my
screen
one
sec
and
there
is
if
anybody
is
on
the
phone.
I
don't
know
if
that
anybody
is,
but
this
is
linked
in
the
agenda
as
well.
Okay,
I
don't
think
I'm
sharing
my
screen.
One
sec.
F
All
right,
can
you
see
this
presentation
cool
okay?
So
again,
this
is
a
presentation
that
was
put
together
by
the
consultants
we
hired,
who
are
the
which
are
the
coalition
for
nonprofit
housing
and
economic
development.
One.
I
Moment
can
we
just
hold
on
one
moment?
Yes,
sorry,
when
all
of
a
sudden
we
go
to
share
screens
the
interpreters,
lose
sight
of
the
consumers
and
vice
versa,
so
hold
on
just
one.
I
I
Sure
and
we're
ready
when
you
are.
F
Thank
you
all
right,
so
so
we
did
hire
consultants
to
help
us
put
together
these
policy
options.
They
were
are
the
coalition
for
nonprofit
housing
and
economic
development
out
of
dc
and
the
local
initiative
local
initiative
support
corporation,
which
is
in
the
twin
cities.
So
this
is
the
presentation.
Oops,
sorry.
A
A
Looks
like
katie's
team's
crashed,
so
I'm
gonna
propose.
We
move
quickly
to
the
next
item
in
the
agenda,
which
is
pretty
short.
It's
me
giving
an
update
about
another
housing
policy,
that's
moving
forward
and
then,
hopefully,
by
the
time
I
get
through,
that
katie
will
be
back
with
us.
F
F
There,
okay,
all
right,
can
you
and
you
can
see
my
screen
all
right.
Thank
you!
Sorry.
Okay.
So,
as
I
mentioned,
we
hired
the
consultants
to
help
us
with
some
engagement
with
stakeholders
to
research,
peer
cities
and
their
policies
and
then
to
provide
to
do
some
market
analysis
of
the
twin
cities
and
then
to
give
us
some
recommendations
of
potential
policy
options.
The
city
could
consider
so
this
just
kind
of
shows
you
that
process.
F
What
am
I
there?
We
go
okay,
so
this
is
just
telling
you
kind
of
what
our
market
looks
like
here
in
the
twin
cities,
just
to
set
a
little
bit
of
a
stage.
A
lot
of
our
rental
properties
are
in
single-family
homes,
so
this
is
properties
and
not
units,
so
that's
an
important
distinction.
So,
even
though
a
lot
of
the
rental
properties
are
single-family
homes,
that
doesn't
mean
all
of
the
units
are
in
single-family
homes,
but
it's
still
helpful
to
kind
of
get
this
picture
here.
J
F
F
There
we
go
so
this
is
just
telling
so
one
of
the
things
the
consultants
looked
at
for
us
was
the
number
of
sales
that
we
see
in
a
year,
and
this
is
just
helping
inform
kind
of
like
how
often
would
we
expect
for
buildings
to
go
through
this
process
if
we
had
an
opportunity
to
purchase
policy
so
anyway,
I
don't
think
we
need
to
go
in
a
lot
of
detail,
but
that's
just
one
of
the
pieces
of
information
we
wanted
to
gather-
and
one
thing
I'd
note-
is
that
this
is
properties
built
before
2010.,
one
of
the
things
that
we
heard
from
a
lot
of
the
stakeholders,
and
that
we
know
is
that
newer
properties
often
change
ownership
pretty
quickly,
it's
kind
of
just
the
way
develop.
F
There
are
a
lot
of
developers
who
might
develop
something
and
kind
of
sell
it
right
away,
and
so
one
of
the
considerations
the
consultant
gives
in
the
policy
options
is
to
just
exempt
those
new
properties
within
the
first
10
years.
F
And
then
this
is
just
showing
that
we
still
have
a
tight
vacancy
rate
in
minneapolis
and
and
rents.
Have,
you
know,
continued
to
steadily
grow
and
then
we
have.
We
have
a
lot
of
investors.
National
investors
purchasing
properties
in
minneapolis,
although
I
we
know
for
a
lot
of
the
smaller
properties,
there
are
still
a
lot
of
local
investors
as
well,
and
this
slide
is
just
showing
that
we
know
we.
F
You
know
any
time,
there's
a
if,
if,
if
renters
were
to
have
the
right
to
purchase
their
property,
there
would
likely
need
to
be
different
sources
of
financial
assistance
available,
and
so
these
are
just
some
of
the
existing
affordable
housing
financing
sources
that
we
have
and
then
another
piece
that
our
consultants
strongly
emphasized
is
that
if
we
are
to
create
a
tenant
opportunity
to
purchase
program
in
minneapolis
that
you
really
need
to
have
a
strong,
what
they
call
technical
assistance
ecosystem
and
what
that
really
means
is
there
would
be
a
need
for
you
know,
to
communicate
and
educate
renters
about
this
policy.
F
So
this
is
just
part
of
what
they
want
to
make
sure
we're
thinking
about
as
we're
working
on
a
policy
like
this.
So
as
I
mentioned,
the
consultants
did
a
number
of
stakeholder
meetings.
We
are.
We
signed
the
contract
with
the
consultants
in
march
like
right
before
covid,
so
the
intention
had
been
to
have
some
big
in-person
meetings.
We
obviously
had
to
shift
and
hat
did
a
bunch
of
virtual
meetings,
and
these
are
the
groups
that
they
met
with
and
just
sort
of
a
summary
of
their
feedback.
F
As
you
might
expect,
you
know
a
lot
of
the
sort
of
renter
advocacy
organizations
and
and
renters
themselves,
and
we're
really
in
favor
of
this
type
of
policy,
as
well
as
equity
in
place,
which
is
a
group
of
organizations
that
focus
on
racial
equity
in
housing.
Some
of
the
other
organizations
like
the
realtors
and
multi-family
housing
association
have
some
concerns
about
a
policy
like
this,
so
this
is
just
a
summary
of
their
feedback.
F
I'm
gonna
skip
over
this,
but
if
you
wanted
to
go
back
back
and
look
at
the
slides,
this
is
just
some
of
the
other
cities
that
have
some
version
of
of
right
of
first
refusal
or
opportunity
to
purchase
policies
so,
and
so
now
I'm
going
to
just
talk
about
what
the
three
policy
options
that
the
consultants
proposed
for
our
council
to
consider.
What
those
are
this
question
here
is:
what
is
the
city
trying
to
solve
these
bullet
points?
F
Here
are
what
the
council
authors
have
sort
of
identified
as
goals
in
a
policy
like
this,
so
one
is
like
creating
tenant
ownership
opportunities
or
really
creating
rights
for
renters,
one
is
preventing
involuntary
displacement
and
then
another
is
preserving
housing,
stability
or
affordability.
I
think
it
would
be
another
way
to
look
at
that,
and
so-
and
I
should
have
mentioned
this
at
the
beginning.
The
four
council
members
who
are
working
on
this
are
council,
member,
ellison,
council,
member
schrader,
council,
member
fletcher
and
council
member
gordon
sorry
temporary
lapse
there.
F
So
those
are
the
four
working
on
this
policy.
So
some
of
the
questions
that
that
have
to
be
resolved
is
like
who
would
actually
get
the
right?
What
type
of
housing
would
it
cover?
What
would
the
time
timelines
be
like?
F
How
long
would
tenants
have
the
ability
to
make
an
offer
before
it
would
go
just
go
for
sale
in
the
regular
fashion
and
then
like
what
kind
of
systems
and
supports
need
to
be
in
place
for
this
to
be
successful,
so
I'm
just
gonna,
I
think,
focus
on
this
slide
for
the
rest
of
this
and
then
hop
to
the
end
for
the
policy
questions,
but
essentially
the
the
consultants
gave
us
three
three
options
to
look
at.
Actually,
I'm
gonna
switch
to
a
different
one.
I'm
gonna
go
to
these.
F
These
are
a
little
bit
better.
I
think
so.
The
first
is
really
focused
on
tenants
rights
and
preventing
displacement.
This
is
very
similar
to
the
washington
dc
policy.
F
It
really
just
gives
tenants
or
a
tenant
organization
the
right
to
purchase
the
building
and
the
way
the
consultants
recommended
we
design
a
policy
would
be
that
tenants
would
actually
have
the
right
of
first
offer.
So
if
a
building
owner
wanted
to
sell
their
property,
they'd
go
to
the
tenant
and
tell
them
that
and
the
tenant
would
could
register
their
rights
to
make
an
offer
if
the
and
then
they
would
eventually
make
an
offer.
F
If
the
property
owner
declined
that
offer
and
went
and
sought
other
offers,
then
the
tenants
would
also
have
a
right
of
first
refusal,
so
they
could
match
the
offer
that
the
the
owner
got
in
the
like
regular
marketplace.
So
it's
sort
of
got
two
ways
for
tenants
to
kind
of
exercise
a
right.
One
of
the
things
that
it
does
is
try
to
address
some
of
the
concerns
that
like
property
owners
and
have
raised
that
this
extends
the
sale
timeline
too
long.
F
Because
if
a
tenant
or
tenant
organization
didn't
register
their
right
to
make
an
offer
up
front,
then
that's
kind
of
that.
That's
the!
If
they
don't
do
that,
then
they
don't
get
the
right
of.
First
refusal
as
well
so
that
can
just
kind
of
shorten
the
timeline
to
get
at
some
of
those
concerns
anyway.
Basically,
I'm
already
talking
too
long
so
I'll
I'll
kind
of
start
to
go
a
little
more
quickly,
but
essentially
this
gives
tenants
or
tenant
organization
a
right
to
purchase
a
property.
F
F
The
next
option
would
give
a
tenant
tenants
the
rights
to
purchase
the
property
or
it
would
give
a
qualified
organization
the
right
to
purchase
a
property.
So
it
could
be
that
the
tenant,
so
the
tenants
would
have
the
first
right
or
if
the
tenants
chose
not
to
exercise
that
right,
then
a
qualified
organization
could
could
do
it,
and
it's
envisioned
that
a
qualified
organization
would
be
a
developer,
or
you
know
somebody
who
has
had
gone
through
some
vetting
to
be
to
be
deemed
qualified
and
that
they
could.
F
So
it
might
be
like
an
affordable
housing
developer.
That
would
acquire
a
property
and
you
know,
and
then
they
would
have
some
rules,
which
is
that
they
can't
displace
the
tenants,
there'd
be
some
renter
protections
and
that
would
maintain
affordability.
So
this
option
is
kind
of
a
combines
option.
One
giving
tenants
rights
with
also
providing
some
additional
options
for
preserving
housing,
affordability
and
then
the
third
option
is,
is
just
sort
of
more
the
how
focused
on
housing,
affordability.
F
So
the
third
option
only
allows
qualified
organizations
to
exercise
the
right
to
purchase.
So
this
one
would
not
so
much
be
a
tenant
opportunity
to
purchase
but
more
just
an
opportunity
to
purchase
policy,
and
this
is
similar
to
a
policy
that
san
francisco
adopted
a
couple
of
years
ago
as
really
a
way
to
try
to
preserve
housing,
affordability
and
prevent
displacement
of
tenants.
So
this
would
be
a
property
owner's
deciding
to
sell.
F
They
first
have
to
notify
this
list
of
qualified
organizations
and
they
would
have
the
first
right
to
purchase
before
it
went
just
for
sale
in
the
general
market.
So
that's
kind
of
the
gist.
Those
are
the
three
policy
options
that
the
consultants
have
prepared
for
us
they.
This
is
really
in
the
weeds
slide,
but
it
kind
of
this
is
the
timeline
that
they
recommended
so
that
there
are
different
points
in
the
process
that
there's
different
amounts
of
time
for
tenants
to
organize
and
make
offers,
and
things
like
that.
F
I
already
mentioned
that
the
timeline
is
one
of
the
concerns
that
is
raised
about
a
policy
like
this,
so
it's
just
showing
like
the
average
days
on
market
without
a
policy
and
then
what
the
maximum
number
of
days
would
be
with
these
types
of
policies
and
I'm
gonna
skip
exemptions,
there
are
a
couple
exemptions
that
the
consultant
suggested
and
I'm
gonna
skip
the
staffing
requirements,
although
that
is
a
big
important
piece
that
the
council
has
to
consider,
but
essentially
this
is
where,
where
we
are
right
now,
the
the
council
authors
are
considering
these
these
decisions
that
they
need
to
make
so
which
of
these
policy
paths.
F
Do
they
want
to
go
forward
with,
and
then
they
have
to
decide
things
like?
Does
it
apply
to
across
the
board
single
family
homes?
Up
to
you
know,
100
unit
buildings,
or
do
we
start
with?
Maybe
five
plus
units
and
phase
other
types
of
properties
in
later
they
have
to
consider
things
like
the
age
of
the
property.
Is
it
going
to
apply
to
everything
or,
like
I
already
talked
about
earlier,
maybe
exempt
new
buildings,
or
one
thought
that
has
come
up
in
discussions
is.
F
It's
that's
a
point
of
discussion
and
then
I
think
there's
some
questions
around
like
would
you
have
other
rent
and
income
restrictions
around
if
a
qualified
organization
is
purchasing
a
property
on
behalf
of
tenants?
What
might
some
of
those
requirements
be,
and
then
one
of
the
big
things
that
was
a
a
big
point
of
discussion
in
the
stakeholder
meetings?
F
Was
this
idea
of
a
qualified
organization
and
like
how
who
gets
to
decide
if
an
organization
is
qualified
and
if
it's
the
city,
which
is
the
way
that
the
consultants
have
proposed
it
like?
What's
the
city's
process
going
to
be,
I
think,
there's
some
concern
from
like
a
racial
equity
standpoint
of
like
is
the
city
just
gonna
pick
the
same
five
developers.
It
already
works
with
and
not
work
with
new
emerging
developers.
I
think
there's.
There
was
also
concern
raised
by
some
of
the
multi-family
housing
industry
providers.
F
Sort
of
a
similar
concern
of,
like
you
know,
would
the
city
only
pick
non-profit
developers,
even
though
there
are
a
lot
of
for-profit
developers
who
could
you
know,
act
in
this
area
and
still
preserve
affordability
and
have
good
outcomes
as
well?
So
I
think
that
would
be
a
thing.
We
would
just
really
need
to
have
a
transparent
process,
a
process
where
we
invite
in
community
to
help
inform
how
that
would
work
so
anyway.
These
are
the
things
listed
here
that
the
council,
the
authors,
are
kind
of
working
through
right.
F
Now,
I'm
anticipating
that
they're
going
to
be
giving
some
additional
direction
to
staff
in
the
near
future
about
some
of
the
decisions
they've
made
around
this,
and
so
then
work
would
begin
more
on,
like
developing
things
like
ordnance
language
and
doing
some
additional
engagement.
F
So
it's
it's
a
really
complex
policy,
which
is
partly
why
we're
like.
We
have
this
long
process
too
for
considering
it.
So
it's
a
really
complex
policy,
there's
still
a
lot
of
opportunity
to
weigh
in
on
it.
I
think
so,
if,
if
your
committee
had
interest
in
weighing
in
there's
still
plenty
of
time
to
do
that,
but
I
guess
maybe
I'll
stop
there
to
see.
If
there
are
questions
and
yeah
thanks
for
having
me
and
for.
F
And
maybe
one
other
thing
I
can
just
share
because
just
from
conversations
with
track,
I
know
that
your
committee
has
talked
a
lot
about
different,
affordable
housing
issues
as
well.
So
this
is
one
policy
that
you
know.
There's
work
happening
around
right
now.
In
a
couple
of
weeks,
there
is
going
to
be
a
city
council
study
session
on
rent
stabilization,
so
kira.
The
center
for
urban
and
regional
affairs
has
been
doing
an
economic
analysis
of
rent
stabilization
for
the
city
and
so
they'll
be
presenting
on
that.
F
That's
on
february
23rd
at
1,
30
and
then
the
next
day
the
council
is
going
to
have
a
public
hearing
on
whether
to
so
in
order
to
adopt
rent
stabilization,
there
has
to
be
a
charter.
Amendment
state
law
requires
that
there's
a
voter
approved
initiative
in
order
for
a
local
government
to
adopt
a
rent,
stabilization
policy.
F
So
the
council
has
introduced
the
idea
of
a
charter
amendment
for
rent
stabilization
and
there
will
be
a
public
hearing
on
specifically
on
the
charter
amendment
on
february
24th
and
that
after
that,
public
hearing
that
would
send
it
to
the
charter
commission
and
then
there's
a
whole
process
after
that,
and
then
the
last
well,
not
the
last.
But
another
thing
being
considered
around
sort
of
renter
protections
is
just
cause
eviction
and
a
pay
or
quit
notice.
F
So
just
cause
eviction
is
the
idea
that
you
can't
non-renew
somebody's
lease
without
cause.
So
you
could
not
renew
somebody's
lease
for
non-payment
of
rent
or
you
know
because
they
have
more
people
living
there
than
were
on
the
lease
or
you
know
for
for
reasons
that
are
legitimate
reasons.
F
But
the
idea
is
that
you,
a
property
owner,
couldn't
not
renew
just
because
they
didn't
want
to
non-renew
they'd
have
to
it'd
have
to
be
one
of
the
reasons
outlined
in
the
ordinance
saint
paul
adopted
a
just
cause
ordinance
last
year
and
then
pay
or
quit
is
the
idea
that
a
property
owner
has
to
give
notice
of
an
eviction
for
non-payment
of
rent.
F
They
have
to
give
some
notice
before
they
file
the
eviction,
so
those
are
a
couple
of
other
policies
that
have
been
introduced
by
council
members
and
that
are
sort
of
being
looked
at
by
staff
right
now.
So
just
wanted
to
mention
those
as.
F
A
I
You
know,
of
course,
this
is
happening
in
the
twin
cities,
just
because
a
lot
of
people
can't
afford
their
housing
right
now.
They've
lost
their
job.
I
know
that
we
have
section
eight,
that
we
have
hud
but
they're
gone
through
quite
a
few
cuts.
So
I'm
wondering
about
the
rent
stability
for
folks
that
just
can't
afford
housing,
because
of
course
the
goal
is
you
know
mostly,
people
are
sorry.
I
Mostly
people
who
are
experiencing
homelessness
are
young
folks
in
the
bipod
community,
so
you
know
maybe
they've
lost
their
job
or
whatever
for
whatever
reason,
especially
in
the
pandemic.
This
is
happening
a
lot,
I'm
wondering
if
there's,
if
there's
a
plan
with
that
and
how
that
applies
to
the
rent
stabilization,
and
is
that
going
to
be
temporary
or
is
this
something
that
is
more
long-term?
F
Yeah,
thank
you
really
great
questions,
so
I,
in
terms
of
certainly
we
have
seen
over,
I
mean
there
been
people
experiencing
homelessness
in
our
community
for
a
long
time.
We've
seen
it
a
lot
more
visibly
over
the
last
you
know
year
or
so.
So
there
are,
I
think,
the
the
policies
I
just
talked
about
are
are
generally
focused
on
trying
to
keep
people
stably
housed,
but
also
you
know
in
terms
of
eviction
prevention.
F
We
know
that
eviction
sometimes
can
lead
to
homelessness
eventually,
because
if
you
are
evicted,
you
may
have
a
hard
time
seek.
You
know
getting
housing
in
the
future,
so
I
think
I'm
not.
I
think
that
we're
trying
to
have
a
number
of
tools
available
to
try
to
create
more
housing
stability,
but
part
of
the
homelessness
prevention.
F
So
an
example
is
next
week
at
the
business
inspections,
housing
and
zoning
committee.
We
are
going
to
be
awarding
funding
to
several
organizations
for
rapid
rehousing,
which
is
or
we're
gonna
be
asking
the
council
to
approve
it.
I
guess
is
how
I
should
say
that,
but
so
that's
you
know
providing
short-term
rental
assistance
directly
for
people
currently
experiencing
homelessness,
to
try
to
get
them
out
of
shelter
or
off
the
streets
and
into
housing,
so
getting
some
short-term
rental
assistance
and
wrap-around
services
so
and
and
you're
right
there.
F
There
are
housing
choice
vouchers.
There
are
other
programs
like
that
they
have
been
underfunded
at
the
federal
level
for
a
long
time.
I
don't
know
if
I
want
to
say
fortunately,
but
partly
in
response
to
covid
we
have
received
the
city
county
state
has
received
some
federal
money
that
we
would
not
otherwise
have
to
be
able
to
do
things
like
the
rapid
rehousing.
I
just
mentioned
emergency
rental
assistance
programs
and
other
homelessness
response
like
trying
to
create
some
new,
culturally
specific
shelters
and
fund
outreach
workers.
F
So
I
guess
I'm
saying
all
that
to
say
I
agree
with
you
that
those
are
really
important
needs
and
I
think
we're
in
a
little
bit
of
this
time
where
things
are
really
hard,
but
we're
also
getting
federal
resources
that
we
wouldn't
have
otherwise
had,
which
is
an
opportunity
to
hopefully
get
more
people
stably
housed
in
our
communities
and
it's
possible
we're
going
to
be
getting
even
more
federal
money
congress
and
one
of
the
things
congress
is
looking
at,
is
more
funding
for
public
housing
authorities
to
have
rental
assistance
specifically
for
people
experiencing
homelessness.
F
K
And
this
is
billy.
I
had
a
question
so
in
regards
to
the
three
options,
it
seems
like
the
first
two
are
really
focused
on
tenants,
rights
and
the
right
to
to
purchase
that
property.
If
it
was
to
go
for
sale,
then
the
third
would
be
directly
selling
it
to
an
organization
who
would
then
I
guess,
I'm
assuming
help
those
tenants
purchase
the
home
and
of
the
I'm
sorry.
Those
slides
were
really
quick.
So
you
said
that
the
case
studies
that
were
presented
were
from
san
francisco
and
washington
dc.
K
So
I'm
just
I'm
just
wondering
of
the
the
case.
Studies
that
were
presented
was
it
did.
It
seem
like
the
the
options
where
it
was
a
tenant's
right
to
purchase.
K
Was
that
more
successful,
because
I'm
assuming
that,
if
you're
renting
you
don't
have
a
at
least
when
I
was
renting,
I
didn't
have
a
lot
of
capital
so
like
even
if
the
property
was
to
go
for
sale
like
I
don't
have
you
know
the
money
to
put
into
it.
So
are
there
lenders
involved
with
these
with
these
policies,
or
is
that
just
if
an
organization
were
to
purchase
it,
and
then
you
know
help
people
through
I'm
just
wondering
which
what
is
more
successful
or
what
has
been
more
successful.
F
That's
a
really
great
question,
so
the
washington
dc
policy
is
sort
of
the
longest
standing
one.
It's
been
in
place
for
almost
40
years
and
and
that's
more
like
the
first
option.
The
san
francisco
one
is
relatively
new,
so
it's
probably
kind
of
hard
to
compare
like
what's
more
successful.
What
I
will
say,
though,
is
that
like
for
washington
dc,
while
it
is
more
focused
on
tenants
rights,
there
is
a
lot
of
funding
to
support
the
policies.
So
there
both
the
city
puts
money
into
you
know
like
finance.
F
You
know:
affordable
housing,
finance
programs
that,
like
tenant
organizations,
could
tap
into
and
as
well
as
like
their
local
lisc
office,
so
sort
of
governmental
partners
also
put
money
into
it
and
often
what
happens
in
washington
dc
is
that
tenants
are
assigning
their
right
to
somebody
else,
so
they
would
form
a
tenant
organization
and
agree
that
we're
going
to
give
our
right
to
purchase
this
property
to
a
developer,
or
you
know
somebody
who
maybe
can
pull
the
financing
together
and
but
then
they're
at
the
table,
and
they
can
help
dictate.
F
You
know
like
what
their
future
as
tenants
in
that
building.
Look
like,
or
they
can
co-own
it,
so
it
just
provides
them
more
of
a
voice,
whereas
yeah,
like
you,
said
that
third
option
is
more,
it
would
be
a
developer
still
working
with
tenants,
but
they
probably
have
less
of
a
direct
seat
at
the
table,
although
it
could
be
the
kind
of
thing
where
a
developer
just
does
it
initially,
because
they
can
get
the
upfront
capital
and
you
know,
works
long
term
to
transfer
ownership.
That
could
be
a
potential
way.
F
And
I'm
happy
to
so.
This
presentation
is
linked
in
the
agenda
and
track.
I'm
happy
to
just
stay
in
touch
with
you
on
some
of
these
other
housing
things
as
they're
moving
along.
So
you
can
keep
the
committee
up
to
date
or,
if
it'd
be
helpful,
to
come
back
at
some
point.
I'm
happy
to
do
that
too.
F
D
A
Is
track
if
no
one
has
anything
else
immediately
in
the
interest
of
time,
I'm
going
to
move
us
to
the
next
agenda
item
and
thank
you
so
much
katie
for
being
here.
The
other
thing
I
will
say
is
katie
reminded
us
that
the
public
hearing
for
rent
stabilization
is
coming
up
pretty
soon
or
the
rent
stabilization
charter
amendment
is
coming
up
pretty
soon
on
the
24th.
A
I
am
happy
to
send
out.
I
know
that
rent
stabilization
is
one
of
the
things
that
hunter
and
kenzie
are
presenting
a
recommendation
on
in
their
recommendations
to
counsel
also
in
that
meeting
on
the
24th,
I
am
happy
to
send
out
instructions
for
how
to
sign
up
to
testify
if
anyone
also
wants
to
show
support
for
it
in
that
format
as
well,
and
thank
you
katie
for
that
reminder.
D
A
D
A
And
then
kenzie
and
I
are
going
to
pass
it
over
to
hunter-
to
give
a
presentation,
but
the
update
I
have
is
just
on:
what's
called
the
maximum
occupancy
ordinance,
which
the
city
has
already
partially
changed,
it's
in
our
city
code
in
two
places
and
we're
working
on
changing
the
second
one.
At
this
point,
essentially,
the
maximum
occupancy
ordinance
used
to
define
how
many
people
could
live
in
a
unit
based
on
family
and
who
was
or
wasn't
legally
biologically
related
to
each
other.
A
I
forget
exactly
what
our
definition
of
family
in
city
policy
entailed,
and
they
are
editing
the
maximum
occupancy
ordinance
so
that
the
definition
of
family
is
just
people
you
live
with,
so
essentially
that
you
cannot
have
more
people
than
it
is
like
legally
safe
to
have
living
in
a
certain
location.
But
whether
you
are
related
no
longer
has
any
factor
into
how
many
people
can
live
there.
We
did
not
bring
in
a
presenter
from
another
department
to
present
on
that,
because
it's
not
super
technical.
It's
basically
just
the
change.
A
A
D
C
Yes,
hunter:
one
of
our
co-chairs
is
going
to
share
his
knowledge
with
us
around
deaf
culture
and
disability,
so
hunter
without
further
ado.
L
And
this
truck,
did
you
already
have
a
powerpoint
open?
Do
you
have
the
powerpoint.
A
Yes,
if
it
is
useful
for
me
to
screen
share,
I
can
do
that.
Give
me
one
second.
A
A
D
M
All
right,
well,
hello.
The
reason
why
we
wanted
to
bring
up
this
presentation
about
deaf
culture
in
part
is
you
know
recognizing
that
there
are
so
many
different
potentialisms
and
an
another
one.
That
is
autism,
and
this
is
how
one
would
sign
it.
M
That
means
that
for
people
who
are
able
to
hear
would
oppress
me
as
a
person
who
is
deaf
just
because
I
cannot
hear
that
would
be.
A
definition
of
autism
and
buddhism
means
a
person
who
is
deafblind
or
a
person
who
is
blind,
for
example,
people
who
can
see
you
know
they
see
so
many
things
in
the
environment
and
if
they
see
a
person
who
is
blind
or
deaf-blind
they're
like
they're,
not
really
concerned
that
they
can't
see,
and
so
that
is
also
a
form
of
oppression
for
people
who
cannot
see
well.
L
M
M
M
M
All
right
now
to
give
some
historical
background
about
in
context
about
asl,
I'm
not
going
to
go
too
in-depth,
I'm
just
going
to
give
more
of
an
overview.
But
when
you
see
death
as
a
capital
d,
this
means
culturally
deaf
and
a
person
who
is
proud
to
be
deaf.
M
They
have
language,
they
have
a
culture
as
a
deaf
person,
whereas
a
small
d
deaf
person
is
a
parent
who
has
experienced
hearing
loss
potentially
later
in
life
or
due
to
something
sudden
like
being
in
the
military
and
losing
their
hearing.
There
are
different
kinds
of
deafness
and
those
people
who
we
say
with
a
small
d.
M
Deaf
are
people
who
actually
have
more
experience
as
a
person
who
could
hear
before
or
are
embedded
much
more
in
that
world
person
versus
a
person
who
is
largely
deaf,
who
is
culturally
deaf
and
they're
very
proud
of
that
identity.
Whereas
a
person
who
is
small
d,
deaf
is
already
enculturated
into
the
regular
hearing
culture
where
they
are
now.
Something
else
to
notice
is
that
people
who
are
big
d,
deaf
that
are
culturally
deaf,
also
have
a
linguistic.
M
I
also
have
a
language
in
common,
and
you
know
when
people
think
about
different
types
of
disability,
people
who
use
wheelchair,
etc,
people
think
of
them
as
disabled,
but
people
who
are
culturally
deaf
don't
feel
themselves
to
be
disabled
in
the
same
way.
M
M
So,
with
for
with
my
vision
line,
I
am
experiencing
some
language
deprivation
as
well,
because
I
have
I'm
not
taking
as
much
information
and
visually
and
so
typically
for
deaf-blind
persons,
there's
actual
tactile
communication
or
something
called
pro-tactile,
and
so
it's
where
we
get
environmental,
cues
and
communication
about
what's
happening
and
like
recently
for
me,
with
presentations,
for
example,
that
have
very
small
text
or
different
colors.
M
It's
difficult
for
me
to
see
that
clearly,
so
I
do
have
to
remind
track
sometimes
or
any
presenter,
please
to
send
me
the
powerpoint
directly
so
that
I
can
also
read
it
in
my
own
way.
That's
the
most
effective
way
for
me
and,
of
course,
now
with
covid,
there's
even
greater
frustrations,
and
I'm
I
realize
that
I'm
just
largely
stuck
sometimes,
but
for
me
being
a
deafblind
individual
understand
that
people
who
are
deafblind
do
fall
on
a
spectrum
that
there's
quite
a
bit
of
variety
within
that
community.
M
There
are
people
who
cannot
see
at
all,
whereas
I
do
have
some
vision.
I
can
see
well
enough
to
drive
at
night.
However,
I
don't
see
well
enough
to
drive,
but
in
part,
because
I
can't
see
the
peripheral
as
well
and
so
for
a
person
who
is
deaf
and
has
vision
losses.
Well,
the
best
thing
to
do
if
you
want
to
communicate
with
us,
is
when
you're
approaching
us.
M
M
Now
understand,
bonafide
language
could
mean
many
different
things.
You
know,
there's
a
concept
of
universal
languages
and
asian
languages,
black
asl
et
cetera,
but
for
signed
languages
and
for
american
sign
language.
There
are
specific
features
or
five
parameters
within
signed
languages.
M
We've
got
palm
orientation,
handshape
location,
the
movement
and
nms,
which
is
non-manual
signals,
and
that
means,
for
example,
our
eyebrows.
You
know
what
the
hearing
person
a
person
who
can
hear
when
they're
really
upset,
and
you
can
tell
it
in
their
voice-
it's
the
tone,
but
you
know
we
can't
actually
hear
that,
but
we
can
certainly
show
it
with
our
faces
and
our
body
language,
and
so
that's
what
non-manual
signals
are.
Is
that
they're,
typically
on
the
face
in
our
facial
expression,
with
our
eyebrows
and
etc?
M
So
now
for
location,
there
are
understand
that
for
signed
languages,
they
are
different
for
different
language.
There's
mexican
sign
language.
There's
british
sign
language.
There
is
canadian
sign
language.
There's
a
french
influences
there,
so
people
who
are
deaf
hard
of
hearing,
etc.
There
are
regional
variations,
but
geographically
it
is
typically
geographically
based
and
influenced
by
culture
in
those
areas
as
well.
M
J
M
All
right
now
how
to
use
interpreters
now
there
is
a
much
more
in-depth
training
that
we
could
talk
about
later
and
I'm
happy
to
discuss
this
anytime,
but
in
reality
authentically
when
you're
working
with
interpreters.
When
you
use
interpreters,
services
for
deaf
deafblind
persons
places
could
be
doctors,
courts,
legal
meeting,
employment
and
typically,
you
would
need
to
have
a
certified
interpreter
and
the
reason
for
having
a
certified
interpreter
is
being
assured
of
skill
level.
M
If
a
person
does
not
have
certification,
they
could
interpret
in
very
specific
settings
only
for
a
person
that
doesn't
have
certification
but
is
qualified.
You
know
they
might
interpret,
but
they
could
misinterpret
and
if
you
think
about
those
settings
at
doctor's
office,
legal
situations
there's
quite
a
bit
of
accountability
in
those
settings.
So.
M
Now,
to
have
an
interpreter
for
something
such
as
restaurants
or
something
like
a
simple
thing,
a
short
interaction.
It's
okay
to
not
have
an
interpreter,
really
the
highest
percentage
of
us.
I
would
say
about
30
percent
of
the
time
we
we
have
interpreters
for
most
people
who
are
deaf
interpreters
are
not
actually
in
my
day-to-day
life
with
me
all
the
time
you
know,
honestly,
I
need
a
break
from
interpreters.
You
know
so.
M
Now,
then,
also
one
of
the
common
things
that
a
hearing
person
would
do
is
say,
oh
hey,
to
an
interpreter.
They
would
talk
to
the
interpreter,
but
really
they
could
communicate
with
me.
M
That
you
know
it
is
possible
to
communicate
without
an
interpreter,
and
sometimes
people
would
get
interpreters,
even
if
it
wasn't
necessarily
per
my
request.
So
it's
best
to
always
consult
with
the
deaf
person
about
what
their
communication
needs
are
and
particularly
if
it's
a
short
thing
feel
free
to
just
go
ahead
and
jump
in
and
say
hi
to
me,
even
without
an
interpreter.
L
M
Sometimes
if
you
know
with
I'm
with
many
deaf
people,
if
I'm,
if
I'm
with
people
who
are
hearing
pardon
me,
that
was
an
interpreter's
error
and
they're,
saying
something
and
and
I'm
curious
about
it
and
I
say
hey
what's
going
on
and
they
say
you
know
it's
nothing.
Don't
worry
and
it's
clear
that
I
can
see
through
their
laughter
what
their
body
language
is,
that
something
is
happening,
and
I
would
like
to
know
you
know.
So
if
they
tell
me
oh,
never
mind
it's
not
important
that
that
doesn't
work.
M
Obviously,
writing
notes
with
a
pen
with
you.
You
know
I
don't
care
today
with
technology
we
have
phones,
we
have
apps
that
can
be
downloaded
and
you
know
with
iphone.
You
know,
iphones,
there
are
many
apps,
you
could
do
a
note.
That
would
be
fine,
there's
other
things
that
could
be
downloaded
and
you
can
type
a
conversation,
and
so,
if
you
type
something
to
me,
then
I
could
actually
also
you
know
I
could
type
something
and
it
could
actually
speak
to
you.
M
M
M
You
know
we
don't
want
to
have
me
feel
left
out,
and
so,
if
you
feel
like,
oh
you
can't
hear
you
know,
and
then
someone
would
try
to
avoid
me
really.
You
don't
have
to
do
that
if
you
think
about
it.
That
would
actually
it's
an
ism
towards
me,
both
buddhism
and
autism.
M
If
that
were
to
happen,
and
so
an
important
thing
is
with
communication,
you
know
often
we
have
an
interpreter
and
sometimes
for
people
who
are
hearing
they'll,
think
about
getting
an
interpreter,
but
then
they'll
say
hey
to
the
deaf
person.
Would
you
pay
for
the
interpreter
and
it's
not
the
deaf
person's
responsibility?
It's
not
my
responsibility
to
pay
for
an
interpreter.
M
M
E
I
Okay,
emma
yeah,
yes,
so
this
is
hunter
speaking
and
yes,
there
are
a
lot,
especially
when
there's
a
lot
of
people
involved
in
a
meeting.
It
is
crucial
that
people
say
their
name
beforehand.
Thank
you
for
bringing
that
up.
Not
only
that
just
so
I
know
who's
talking,
but
also.
I
I
want
to
look
on
the
screen
if
their
videos
on
to
be
able
to
find
them,
and
so
I
often
have
an
interpreter
on
a
bigger
screen,
and
so
everyone
else
is
small,
and
so
it
takes
me
some
time
to
find
you
when
you're
talking.
So
it's
nice,
if
you
say
your
name
and
then
wait
for
a
second
and
then
go
ahead,
it's
nice
too!
If
you
have
a
clear
background,
then
it
helps
me
be
able
to
see
you
easier.
I
I'm
trying
to
think
of
an
example.
I've
seen
some
backgrounds
that
are
just
like
wild
wild.
So
I
can't
I
can't
tell
like
where
the
person
is
or
what's
going
on.
So
that's
just
one
other
thing
that
I
could
think
of
yeah.
I
can't
think
of
anything
else
that
will
help.
But
if
something
comes
up
I
will
definitely
let
you
know
I'll.
Definitely
let
you
know
yeah,
I'm
a
pretty
good
communicator.
So
if
it
comes
up,
I
will
share
with
the
group
thanks
for.
I
I
I
A
This
is
track.
This
is
not
a
question,
but
just
I
want.
I
want
to
make
sure
folks
know
that
I
can
always
book
interpreters
for
any
city-related
meeting.
So
even
if
it's
like
you
just
want
to
meet
with
the
co-chairs
and
are
scheduling
with
them
and
is
not
a
meeting,
I'm
a
part
of
I'm
happy
to
coordinate
interpreters.
So
I
want.
I
want
you
to
know
that
that
service
is
available
and
that
I
can
take
care
of
that
hunter.
A
I
I
You
know
with
meetings,
it
is
nice
to
have
an
interpreter.
It's
nice,
though,
if
there
are,
you
know
other
situations
where
we
we
might
need
different
interpreters,
but
it's
nice
to
have
consistent
interpreters
for
these
kinds
of
things.
I
You
know.
Sometimes
people
are
are
around.
I
You
know
I've
met
track
out
and
about,
and
sometimes
we've
experienced
that
you
know
some
some
situations
are
a
little
bit
awkward
and
then
we
just
go
ahead
and
text
and
then
we
can
figure
out
like
what
happened.
So
it's
really
nice.
You
know
when
we
see
each
other,
we
can
gesture,
we
can
figure
it
out,
and
I
know
at
the
beginning
it
might
feel
a
little
bit
awkward,
but
then
you
know
throughout
time
it
gets
better.
It
gets
better
and
I
know
you
know.
I
Sometimes
people
do
think
that
I
have
to
have
an
interpreter
for
all
of
my
interactions
but,
like
I
said
before,
interpreters
are
not
my
life,
I
don't
have
interpreters
for
all
kinds
of
things
and
I
interact
with
people
and
hearing
folks
all
the
time
you
know
think
about
it.
I
go
out
and
hang
out
with
my
friends.
I
don't
have
an
interpreter
for
every
interaction
with
my
friends.
You
know
so
it's
just
something
to
think.
I
I
Again,
this
is
hunter,
I'm
happy
to
you
know,
field
any
other
questions
or
thoughts
that
you
all
have
you
know.
I
know
everyone
has
a
different
style
of
communication
and
all
deaf
people
are
different.
You
know,
deaf
people
have
different
experiences,
some
deaf
people
have
experienced
language
deprivation
and
they
don't
have
access
to
asl
or
they
don't
have
access
to
english
or
they
have
access
to
different
levels
of
english.
So
really
all
deaf
people
are
different.
Every
you
know.
I
So,
as
you
can
imagine,
I
can
only
speak
for
my
own
experience
and
for
me,
I'm,
you
know
comfortable
with
getting
together
with
people
and
and
figuring
it
out,
because
that's
my
comfort
level.
I
N
A
A
I
wanted
to
leave
a
little
space
just
in
case
anyone
had
any
reflections
on
stuff
that
came
up
earlier
in
the
meeting
that
they
hadn't
voiced
until
now,
or
particularly,
I
know
that
you
all
asked
katie
some
questions
on
her
presentation
about
the
upcoming
housing
ordinances,
but
if
anyone
had
any
further
things
you
wanted
to
discuss
just
as
the
tec
about
how
you
all
wanted
to
respond,
not
that
there
needed
to
be
but
realize.
Since
we
had
a
couple
minutes,
we
could
create
space
for
that.
E
Hey
all
this
is
emma,
I
would
just
say
I
have
a
really
hard
time
with
public
speaking
and
but
it
would
be
really
great
if
anyone
really
wanted
to
to
go
on
record
for
the
the
meeting
on
the
24th.
If
anyone
wanted
to
volunteer
for
that-
and
I
know
in
the
past
when
I've
done
that,
like
track,
you've
been
helpful
with
like
coaching
and
going
through
statements.
E
I
haven't
done
one
of
them
since
we
moved
to
a
digital
world,
so
I
assume
it
might
be
even
a
little
bit
easier
because
there
is
that
distance.
So,
but
if
anybody
had
the
urge
to
or
the
desire
to
to
take
that
on
that'd
be
great
if
someone
wanted
to
represent
us.
A
And
this
is
track
on
the
virtual
piece,
I
will
add
and
say
you
would
just
be
calling
in
by
phone
unless
you
were
signing.
Obviously
we
do
it
differently
if
we're
using
asl,
but
for
folks
who
would
be
speaking,
you
would
just
be
calling
in
by
phone.
So
no
need
for
video
and
charlie
actually
is
the
expert
on
the
line.
A
I
think
because
he
has
had
to
staff
in
it
quite
a
number
of
these,
but,
as
emma
said,
I'm
happy
to
like
draft
or
like
help
you
draft
and
edit
comments
or
anything
else.
That
would
feel
helpful
if
you
want
to
testify
and
would
say,
even
if
there's
anyone
who
might
be
open
to
testifying
and
is
willing
to
put
your
name
in
the
chat
right
now,
so
I
can
know
to
check
in
with
you
about
that.
That
would
be,
and
so
everyone
else
can
kind
of
support
you
in
that.
That
would
be.
A
A
I
I
A
And
this
is
track.
The
last
thing
I
will
say
on
that
is
particularly
if,
like
you're
a
city
staff
and
it's
not
possible
for
you
because
of
workplace
dynamics
to
testify
during
a
workday
hearing
or
something
like
that.
But
you
are
folks
who
would
be
interested
like
bringing
in
folks
to
support
is
still
supporting
this.
Even
if
it's
not
people
saying
I'm
a
member
of
the
tec
and
I'm
testifying.