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Come up on top saying that it's being recorded, then you can go ahead. Okay,.

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Okay, welcome to the bicycle advisory committee engineering subcommittee, and today we have three items up: I'm going to read and know this real quick before we get started. Members of the board may participate remotely by telephone or other electronic means due to the local public health emergency, novel corv, corvant, corva, corro nevarios virus pandemic. Pursuant to the provisions of minnesota statues, section 13d, .021,.

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All right, so um our first and I don't know the people are here yet I hope that they are. We have three things to talk about on our agenda. The first one is the upper harbor turtle terminal is alexander here.

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All right, alexander: it's going to be alexander kato, nathan, koster ahmed omer. They are minneapolis public works and then sierra shingley and chris bauer. I hope I didn't mess it up from two.

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Ciara won't be with us today.

A

Okay, well so anytime, you're ready to start okay.

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I'll get started, I just gotta share.

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um I'm gonna do that now.

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Can I folks see my screen yep yep, all right, let me just put it in the slideshow.

C

It's interesting when I put it in slideshow mode. It goes to my other screen, which you know up. You want to see so I'll just like that. Okay, um so hi everyone, I'm alexander, cato, I'm a transportation planner in public works, um the public realm infrastructure engagement lead for harvard terminal uh with me. I have ahmed omar who's. The project engineer, nathan, coster, the overall elite from a public works standpoint for the infrastructure and then chris bower from tool design who's been helping us uh very much. So with a lot of our engineering design, work.

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Lot to cover, I think most of this group has seen some of our previous efforts um around the upper harbor terminal and the concepts I would say not. A ton has really changed. We've just kind of further evolved those designs that we've showed you at zero percent and 10 percent.

C

um The the biggest overall change is 33rd avenue. North that's changed quite a bit based upon the feedback feedback we received from the bac and pac when we engaged with you all earlier this spring um so like I said, we have a lot of content to cover I'll try to go through this quickly, but please ask questions to go through um there's about there's four to five different sections of roadway, we're reviewing um and just ask questions as you have them. um So this is the overview of the project area.

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Dowling is the blue line. All of this is going to be reconstructed. um The bridge will not be formally reconstructed. We are doing some improvements on the bridge phase, one of the parkways in the dark, green and then the yellow is 33rd avenue. North uh construction on all of these pieces starts in 2023, so um just under two years away, um we've done a quite a bit of engagement.

C

We did our first round of engagement in january 2021 um and have been doing engagement on this project with cpad um for a number of years, starting with the above, the false master plan and we've hosted a variety of open houses and events that I'm sure many of you have been involved in some of those in some capacity uh to really highlight what we've heard you know from from engagement when it comes to infrastructure is really just prioritizing bicycle and pedestrian movements.

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Obviously dowling getting over I-94 is, is quite a challenge, and so we were really tasked with. How do we really accommodate um non-motorist users across the bridge and then into the site? um Also, we were able to work on some of the public art pieces as well and did a lot of coordination with the pork board around the park as well. So it's just a really exciting project.

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um You know this is just the concerns. Congestion was also an issue that was voiced by some folks, as well as bike pet safety.

C

You've seen people can do it to show you up or down. um This is just a few more suggestions around improving the art, improving the public realm, um providing these mortgages as a fyi for folks, so we're just going to hop into darwin. So this is upper darwin.

C

um We call it upper dowling because it's at a higher elevation. This is on the western side of the bridge. You can see. This is on linda avenue, north right here um and then this is sixth street north, and this is uh right before I-94 I always get these confused. One of these is fourth, and one of these is six. I always flip them around. So my apologies um one interesting thing to note. This was not even in the scope of the ust project.

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um When nathan and I got on board, we did some analysis and realized that you know obviously dowling being the primary access point um and this area of darwin wasn't in was it was didn't, have the best pavement condition um had on-street bike lanes. You know no boulevard sidewalk backer curve, so just a lot of room for improvement, um so we added it to the scope for this project and we're glad we did um the further west of here uh we're going to be planning to put into our cip and future year.

C

So this treatment that we have here with the shareholders path on the south side will likely extend all the way to theoworth park, um but that's further along in the cip, but the design treatment that we're doing here is done um with the attention of kind of a long-term plan, of how this area will look and how folks will travel to and from the site.

C

um So, on the south side, we have a shared use path, 10 feet. On the north side, we have a six foot sidewalk. We are really constrained with the the space we had. We wanted to definitely provide separated facilities for cyclists because, as of now, it's a bike lane on the street. This is a high volume street 15 000 vehicles a day um and a bike ride on the street is just not our go-to design standard move forward.

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um So we went with the shared use path to facilitate those movements, understand that we are still a very constrained right-of-way, we're also able to add in boulevard spacing you know. Some sections are four feet, which is about the minimum for tree plantings, but some sections are upwards of seven feet like here, and here we even have 11 feet, so there will be some boulevard plantings and improvements.

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um Also, some nice improvements on the south side will have some raised crossings um at this location here at this location. Here, I'm sure this group is well aware, familiar with those, but those just provide a design cue to motorists that they're entering a space with cyclists and pedestrians and that they should drive at a safe speed, uh we're also including a trucked apron gear um for motorists coming off of the freeway. um It helps us shorten. The crossing distance still provides the turning movements needed for some of the larger vehicles.

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um I ran through that pretty quickly um just want to give space for nathan, ahmed or chris. If there's any other design details that I missed on the upper dominant section.

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Thanks alexander, I I just want to apologize to the group, uh given the timing of when this submittal was due for the so that was available to everyone in advance. In this meeting there is a mislabeling, uh so the travel lanes on darwin are not 11 feet. They are 10 feet, so there is an instance on a couple sections just giving the versioning control. So if you see the materials at the open houses and are open events that we have in the coming weeks, uh just there will be a difference there.

E

So they are in fact 10 feet on dowling and there'll be a few instances and apologize for that discrepancy.

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One other thing I just wanted to mention briefly um we're working through the design of the raised crosswalks at the I-94 ramps with mndot. These would very possibly be the first race crosswalks mndot has ever done on the trunk highway system.

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So we really want to make sure we get those details right um and that's a necessary detail to make sure that these happen so um just be aware that we're having those conversations still with mndot in terms of what that looks like and how we can make that work, um because this would this would again be the first time midnight has ever done. Anything like this.

C

I'm going to keep moving along because we're already 10 minutes in so you'll see the shared use path on the south side that continues once we cross on the I-94 entrance ramp you'll see that it actually transitions into a two-way cycle track and then a sidewalk I'll show you this slide. So this is the dowling bridge. So you'll see this um two-way cycle track.

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The width of that cycle track is 12 feet and then we're gonna have adjacent to that. A seven foot sidewalk that's existing and then to the north. We'll have that seven foot sidewalk. um So you know this is a section where the bike and pedestrian facilities are separated, um because we have the space to accommodate that um this facility transition continues pretty much all the way into the site.

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You'll see once we get to this intersection crossing, um there's another race crossing, um some green marking for motorists and then you'll see that continuation of the separated sidewalk and the separated two-way cycle track.

C

um A few other things to note here um we did quite a bit of I don't know if this is the technical term, but re-skewing of the intersection to just to organize a little better. If you've been out to that area. Before um you can see the the vehicle lane alignments and just the intersection in general is a little problematic. The crossing distances are a little tricky, so we are are realigning that intersections just aid in movement for all users, motorists, cyclists, pedestrians, etc, we're also adding in some north and south, by facilities as well.

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um These will connect into the weber canadian 44 project. That's further north. I think the construction of that is going on next year, if I'm correct um and then to the south, we have the the cycle facility as well. That'll extend in the second street on the north. um I know I went really quick. I'm gonna give space um to the rest of my team. If they have any comments on this piece.

E

So I'll just clarify a couple things that I think this group may find interesting, so we are bringing that two-way bike. Bicycle trail uh separated from the sidewalk at the bridge. We are constrained with an existing bridge, uh we're talking millions and millions of dollars to rebuild that uh that would be on solely the city's cost, so we're trying to do our best with that space of the existing bridge deck. The one thing we are pushing with mndot to try to get is, unlike striping sticks with a uh over the bridge.

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We are trying to get a vertical curb in there on the bridge deck, so we have more protection over this busy bridge, while also separating it from people walking. One other thing that did come up is the inside uh pedestrian ramp crossing. Looking typically we'd want to try to push for that on both sides of the bridge, where there'd be pedestrian crossings at all four legs. However, on we're right where his curse, alexander's cursor, is on that east side of the bridge, uh we were unable to fit pedestrian crossing uh because of the grades.

E

Basically, if we tried to create a ped ramp, there it'd basically be the low point and pool all the water, and you get a lot of snow ice debris accumulation there. So we tried our best to try to fit that in the pedestrian crossing at all four legs, but we were just unable to get it due to the physical location and grades with the bridge right there.

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We really would like that, but just without rebuilding the bridge, we were unable to get that crossing right there. um Chris, I captured that correctly.

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Yeah yep, the existing grade on the roadway is five and a half percent it's over the maximum allowable grade of five percent, so we would have to do something very untraditional, switchbacks or something. You know unusual there to make this work and still pick that up out of the gutter full line.

C

I'm going to keep speeding through because we saw quite a bit to cover um next section is lower doweling, like I said we call it lower down because it's at a lower grade than the west side of dowling. um You can see this intersection. That was in the last slide. You also see that a two-way bike facility continuing east into the site. You see the separated sidewalk more boulevard, spacing here for some nice plantings.

C

I think this illustration on the bottom relatively accurately captures what this space could look like when it's developed. We do have. You know two active real crossings here, um the inventory we did it's about a maximum of five crossings a week, so pretty low volume, but still by mndot standards. We have to put in active gate guards and warning devices here, um so we're doing those in appliance with mndot rail um to ensure that you know everyone using these facilities is safe.

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That's why you also see these medians here as well, so that vehicles um would not try to do something dangerous, like drive around the gates and weaving the traffic to get past the train, um so just ensuring that all we have all the you know necessary safety features here um for those events, when do when trains do arrive, like I said roughly five times a week at the most um and then from here you'll see that the dowling transitions into the uhd parkway.

C

We have a potential raised intersection, and then this is kind of the north and south legs of the parkway chris. Do you want to just talk a little bit about that raised intersection piece here? Just so folks have a little more um context around that.

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Yeah the goal with the raised intersection- um you don't see it on this driveway but envision a park on the other side of that intersection, and we want to try and convey some design continuity. Thank you. um You know kind of into that park and show that this is all connected and make this feel more linear.

F

The idea with the raised intersection is to make that entire area walkable uh and be kind of a gateway into the park is kind of the design intent with that.

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I'm going to anything anything else to add or I'm in before I go to the next slide.

C

Keep cruising through this is so in the package. This is actually the next slide, I'm going to skip this one and go to the parkway and then we'll come back to 33rd just from a logical standpoint. So this is you know where chris was talking about their raised intersection and then you'll see phase one of the uhd parkway in red. um I realize this color is a little darker than the parkways typically are, but just know that the parkway will have that red granite chip seal that you're very familiar with around the city.

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um It'll travel north over here and end in the cul-de-sac. uh This is where parcels one one a and one b will be. So that's a private development. The park will be here. uh The music concert venue will be here and then some of the other developments will be here as well, and then you can still see uh the uh biking, pet facilities continuing north and south uh along the parkway.

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um These are 10 foot travel lanes as well. You know a 10 to 12 foot two-way bike facility. um There will be some parking in these little cutout sections here along the parkway, um in line with the way the park typically designs, their parking facilities on the parkway. You know we, it's still.

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Of parking we do understand, there's a need to provide uh access to all types of modes and users, but we are being respectful and trying to prioritize bikes and pets, and I think one other thing just to add uh along the parkway. This is the visualization visualization, but it kind of shows you the priority. You know pedestrians have the really nice views then followed by the cyclists and those rolling, and then the motorists are a bit further away and see the vehicle driving there.

C

So it really does show kind of that prioritization of of the parkway. um We didn't indicate the design of the bikeway and pedestrian facility within the park. That's going to be further defined by the park board, so we did not include that in this visualization.

C

Am I missing anything nathan ahmed chris.

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I'm going to the next slide, which is 33rd avenue, um so this is 33rd avenue. We went to the bac and pac. I think that was in.

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I think it was in april, but I don't know, like my perspective of time- is- is a little foggy with this last year of colvin and whatnot, but we came to the pac and bac with two concepts, because we were very space constrained in this area.

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um One concept had a wider shared used path on the north and with some boulevard, but did not have a sidewalk, and I would say, the eac and pac were pretty unanimous and that they they unanimously supported that a sidewalk on the south side was essentially a requirement in that they wanted to have uh pedestrian facilities on both sides of the road. So we went back to the drawing board, worked things out with the design team engage with the stakeholders here, which are uh heavy the light industrial manufacturers.

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I mean we're able to add in the sidewalk on the south side. You'll see it here. um The width varies, but you know, does at a minimum, meet that six foot, pedestrian, that six foot par um and then also a few extra feet for signage and lighting um to the north. We do have the share use path for 10 feet. Both of these connect into the roundabout.

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We have two 10-foot travel lanes and an eight-foot median. The eight-foot median is a new addition on 33rd. We originally had a much narrower roadway width and when we went out onto the site to test it out, it just didn't work. um There's a lot of truck activity on this street. um When we were out there, there was even that sometimes a dozen trucks. You know large 53-foot trucks navigating through this space accessing this driveway. This driveway, these driveways as well.

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um We just didn't really feel that there was a safe way um to design the street without providing that medium. um So what you're seeing here is a larger roadway with vehicles than we had previously shown um like, like I said we went out, did field tests chalked up the streets, we're out there with trucks seeing the turning movements, and this is um the best way we could accommodate all modal users to this area.

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um So I'm sure there's a lot of questions on that. uh We, we also did include a roundabout which is relatively similar to what you've seen in the past. This is to facilitate vehicle turning movements, um especially this roadway here, does connect into the private development into the light industrial facility, so they'll be using this on this road to perform returning movements and then to get out on the avenue um chris nathan. I need anything else to add on that before we open it up to questions from the group.

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From a bicycle's perspective, one of the key things we wanted to watch out for was the skew angle with the railroad tracks. These have a pretty high skew angle. All the bicycle: crossings of the railroad are 60 degrees or sharper, which is what ashtow recommends to avoid um slipping into the flange ways on the railroad. So that's something we we watched out for when we're designing this.

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um We have a few more slides on green storm water infrastructure, but I I'd rather like to pivot and just see if folks have comments or questions and then, if we have more time, we can cover those they're important. But I I want to you know, prioritize this group's desire to talk about some of the bicycle facilities and see if they have questions on that.

A

Thank you. um I don't see any hands yet anybody have questions. Phil, yeah.

D

Just a quick question: I remember this is back to upper dowling, um so it's a 10 foot shared used path with the um on the south side of dowling, with the divider at the five in the middle. Is that the is that the plan.

C

Are you talking about upper down on the bridge, though,.

D

A way west of the west um dowling as far west as the project goes over to.

C

This is linda.

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Yeah, so this would be a 10 foot chair, use path, um I'm not certain nathan, where we're at now on striping. Are we center line striking to share these paths? Are we just leaving them unmarked? I know I know. That's been a bit of there's been a bit of back and forth on. You know what our new policy or our approach around that is.

E

Yeah we'd have to double check with traffic because we are looking at best practices from uh not only locally regionally across the country of how to best design stripe.

E

What have you for these uh currently on the johnson project in northeast, it's being built as a shared use path, uh we're taking the approach of having us having it signed with biking and walking signage on the gateway to each block and we'd, be looking at that on this project too, but just have to confirm that detail with our traffic staff, but as of now we'd be looking to have signage as compared to striping.

D

Oh okay, I I know, there's there's been some discussion about the just a dashed line in the middle, knowing that bicyclists obviously are going to range over across the striping, but signage I've seen it recently work too definitely.

C

Yeah, it's definitely up for more discussion internally um but like the jazz history project is going in um right now, it'll be done this summer, so we'll definitely have some lessons learned from that implementation. That'll help guide this future reconstruction, which would be uh two years out from now.

D

Great yeah sounds good.

A

Okay, thanks phil anyone else with any questions.

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You had a question about uh washington avenue there right on the east side of the 94 bridge. um It looked like there is a um sorry get it for a second, no problem.

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So it looks like there's a two-way bike, lane continuing north on washington and it's only separated for a little bit. Does that? Would that then be painted as a two-way, um even just paint protected all the way, all the way up to where washington crosses 94 again or is there going to be a rough transition for self-pound bikers.

E

The intent would be to have stripes and with delineators up to the lindale 41st intersection we'd likely be doing a sealcoat project uh to get rid of any lane scarring for this for the striping, uh we did do a change order with hennepin county on the weber 44 project they in the previous layout.

E

They had it transitioning to directional on-street lanes at lindale and 41st, but for those of you familiar with that project that went through this committee a couple of years ago, it will now stay on the west side of lindale at 41st as a two-way bikeway, come around the corner on the bridge and then tie into this project. So there will now be a continuous path. Once this project is done from dowling, I think nine miles connecting way into brooklyn center.

E

So we found this as like a really great short-term win to connect more people to upper harbor, as well as greater north minneapolis.

G

That sounds great. Thank you.

A

That is awesome. Anybody else with any questions.

A

Okay, so guys, I'm not seeing anybody else with their hand up. Did you want to finish up that other part alexander.

C

Absolutely um so this is, you know, like I said, there's a lot of pieces to upper harbor terminal. uh One of the most critical ones is the green storm water infrastructure component.

C

We've been, you know, designing and working around. You know what that will be for this site um and we've done a lot of work with the mississippi watershed management organization, the park board and also private development to reach a district system to help clean to help clean tree uh and re potentially use our runoff from the site before it enters the mississippi river. So this is a 50 acre site um and we are using um the water to infiltrate into the underground, mississippi river.

C

You know some of some of the water here may receive a higher level of treatment than others, we're still exploring that, uh but we are proposing a district system within here which includes a variety of treatments such as rain garden, swells, storm water, wetlands streamlight channels and underground filtration systems to handle all the storm water from a surface level.

C

You will likely see things more like this. This is heritage park um in minneapolis um on the edge of north minneapolis. You know this is the stormwater plaza 8th street at riverside avenue. So these are the type of you know, things that you would likely see as a visitor to the site.

C

You know it's adjacent to the right-of-way, um a variety of different treatments, so I would say the takeaway to this group is just knowing that there's going to be a district-wide stormwater system um to treat the stormwater runoff, um it's still in the design stages. We've been working with, like I said, mwmo the park board and the mississippi watershed management organization um to really deliver a really exciting system for the public.

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A really innovative public-private partnership through a combination of easements and design to more holistically treat storm water in the area. As alexander said, 50 acres, uh the only local precedent we have of something like this would be in the tower side district over by the u of m. So this is a very strong collaboration where we're able to say private water park, water city, water and better utilize, the space.

E

So we can have more greening and we can fit more in this area and achieve a combined goal of having improved water quality when it does go into mississippi and potentially using it for on-site irrigation or other things.

E

So, typically, this is a pretty detailed uh element that you know follows through before construction, but we thought it was such a innovative idea that this group would be interested in understanding how that uh comes together for cohesive uh design and aesthetic for the broader site, while advancing a lot of environmental goals that we have for upper harbor and the city as a whole.

C

And then, to conclude so round, two engagement is starting. This month we have an open house on august 24th on tuesday um we're targeting layout approval in october, and then construction starting in 2023 um and and the infrastructure construction will start in 2023. The private development will likely start. You know shortly after that and continue for the following years, um so yeah two years from now you'll start seeing uh a lot of activity at that area.

A

So, are you guys planning on coming back to talk to us again or is this our only visit.

C

This is this: is it this? Is our 30 um we're going to be using our round 2 engagement and open house to get additional feedback and incorporate any additional tweaks into the design, but we are not anticipating them to return to this group, unless there are significant changes. Okay,.

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Dan dan miller.

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Yep hi yeah, going back to the dowling avenue over 94, uh photo there or illustration um just a question regarding uh mndot and what they're doing with 252., I'm not sure how far they're going down but is mndot involved at all. With any of these improvements on dowling.

E

They're a project partner, but uh given the current uh timeline for the environmental review on 252.94, they haven't advanced any new bridge or design elements that would currently impact what we're planning here. If that does happen or those plans change in the future, we'd be more than happy to work with them to either bring their funding or new designs here to you know further transit or whatever they may do in the corridor, but right now, they're mainly reviewing our designs and our strong partner in helping us achieve the goals that we want along dowling.

H

Yeah, I guess my question um with mndot maybe refers to some of the other bridge crossings. uh 53Rd, I think, is going to be looked at for bike improvements that, of course, all the way from 53rd down to plymouth. Some of those uh crossings are 41st and 26th. That are, you know, not not the nicest crossings and if there was a way that mndot could be involved, perhaps in some similar way how they've done 94 and 35 w south.

H

I know those were total uh replacements, but I just was wondering if they might, there might be a chance that they could be involved with uh improving any of that. So it's more of a question for you. If you've heard anything.

E

Yeah we've been working with them for quite a few years. Now they don't have any maintenance plan for this bridge for 15 years, give or take 10 to 15 years for maintenance and then beyond that, a replace they had said 30 40 years out in the future. So from a pure maintenance perspective, uh we'd asked that's not on the table, but if something comes out of 252.94, that would change that we're all ears and we're ready to work with them. But as of now, the questions been asked and they said no.

H

Okay and then about the public art coordination on this. uh Are there any thoughts? What would go on here.

C

Yeah, so I can so I didn't put that slide in this deck. um You know I should have been hindsight or included as an appendix, because it is a big piece, so we've been working around um we've been working with uh mary, altman and cpad, and it was juxtaposition arts to develop art concepts.

C

We don't have anything for the bridge. There just wasn't a real opportunity to provide any art on the bridge without replacing the railing and then replacing the railing will require us to replace most of the structures, so it ended up almost becoming a bridge rebuild and just wasn't really practical, um but we are proposing some art along dowling closer to this um parking lot area over here along this railing, um some concrete sketchings along dowling and then a lot of different art within the site.

C

um At the open house, we will be providing a bit more context and details on that. um I just was a little strapped on time for this presentation and and didn't think I'd have time to really talk to it in detail that it deserved.

H

Okay, thank you.

A

Okay, anyone else with any, I love anything that helps with the watershed. I think that's really important to have that in there phil.

D

uh Yeah, you know, speaking of uh just thinking, about the infrastructure work. I I just wanted to compliment you you all the city on that eighth um riverside avenue at eighth street, um quite a significant um storage uh facility for water. It took a couple years to look uh for it really to grow out. So I think people so I I passed it pretty much every weekend over the first two years, you know looked a little rangy and scruffy and you kind of wondered these trees. Gonna live.

D

You know, as the picture shows, it's really come along well and the stores it stores a heck of a lot of for a big rainfall. It stores a lot of water and really that's one of the predictions that we will see these larger rain events. So um this was a great great example and it appears to be working well from from my you know, biking past. It.

C

Brought up, you know we're using a lot of those same um same folks that were involved in the design of that system with this um situation with upper harbor terminal. So we're really excited I'm glad you enjoyed that and are really optimistic about what will happen at the uht site.

A

Yeah yeah good.

A

Well, unless there's someone else, uh I want to thank you great presentation and thank you for having the pet and the the bikers involved in the planning and the watershed is like all coming together. So thank you. Thank you. Any more people have any questions.

E

I would just say that yeah we are looking for layout approval in october, so it would be very helpful for our team if we got a resolution of support for the project in advance of tpw in october.

A

Okay, dan, can you help me with the resolution part? Is that something we do after.

H

Yeah, I think that's something that we can draft. Is there anything anybody that would like to work on drafting a resolution.

H

Say something now or marty and myself can uh start to put some stuff together for the general meeting.

A

Okay looks like it's you and I okay. Okay, thank you. That was wonderful. Thank you for your presentation.

I

Thank you. Thank you. Thanks.

A

All right, uh our next item is minnie haha and 50th. Is that 30, madeleine hudek? Are you here, madeleine.

J

Hello, hello, hi um and uh joining me um with the presentation is jody uh raider and then carol helstone, I'm sorry, I'm probably not getting your uh last name quite yet. um So I I'm madeline hudec. I work at the park board in the planning division and I am the project manager for the kind of startup and community engagement portion of the phase. One implementation project of the minnehaha creek master plan.

J

Jody it looks like you're on mute. Thank.

K

You, um maybe we'll just do introductions now carol. Do you want to go next.

B

Sure I'm carol hailstone with minneapolis park and recreation board I'll, be project managing this. uh This effort, once it's nearing construction through construction.

K

Awesome and I'm jody rader landscape, architect with hkgi, and we are working with stantec on the design and engineering for the implementation projects, and we also worked together with the park board on the master plan effort. So I'm going to share my screen and I'll be doing the majority of the presenting, but carol and madeline. Please interrupt if I uh forget something.

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um We already did introductions well we're just going to give a quick overview of the minnehaha parkway regional trail master plan and then we'll get into the primary project, review and discussion, which is what we're here to talk to you today about and then we'll go over next steps.

K

So minnehaha parkway regional trail underwent a master planning process beginning in 2018 and that master plan process spanned about two years and culminated in the adoption by the park board in november of 2020, we had a very robust community engagement process. Throughout that time, we engaged with a community advisory committee had a dozen meetings with them.

K

Quite a few open houses, a number of nprv in-houses interactive web survey, quite a few meetings on site in the neighborhood and then the park board also led quite a few outings with youth groups through the other parks in the city throughout minnehaha parkway and then, like I said, the plan was adopted in 2020 november and right now we are in the implementation process phase.

K

um We anticipate the horizon for this master plan to be 20 to 30 years with we knew going into the master plan process that there would be some funding available at the completion of the project to do some initial projects, and so that is what we are working on right now, identifying and scoping and then working on the design for some of these initial projects.

K

With the master plan process, uh this was um kind of a three-part or three.

K

There were three entities um that had a lot of involvement in the master plan, not just the park board, but also the city of minneapolis and minnehaha creek watershed district, and there was a mou that was signed at the beginning of the project, acknowledging that the three partner organizations would be engaged throughout the planning process and then also through implementation, trying to identify projects that can be completed together and in cooperation with each other.

K

I'm sure most of you are pretty familiar with minnehaha parkway and the trail system. The master plan study area was divided into four segments so that we could kind of organize the space a little bit and talk about it within these segments.

K

You'll notice that the study area did not include uh the segment of the parkway that crosses through hiawatha and nokomis. This is because these parks were master planned in 2000.

K

I believe that plan was completed um and so, though, that portion of the parkway already had recommendations and some of those recommendations have been implemented already today, we're going to focus on the recommendations that were gathered in segment 3 around portland avenue park, avenue 50th street during the master planning process. We heard quite a bit about this area.

K

This is kind of a summary of some of what we heard through the online engagement about this area of portland the bunny area.

K

A lot of comments we gathered were about poor sight lines, dangerous intersection, some inconsistencies in the trail and trail condition, and a lot of traffic kind of backing up in this area that people felt unsafe around about two-thirds or three-quarters of the way.

K

Through the master planning process, it seemed apparent that we needed to take a little pause and address some of the the issues that were coming up through engagement and with our cac um regarding some of the traffic and some of the recommendations throughout the parkway, and so we we put a little pause on the master plan process and commissioned a traffic study with spac in 2019.

K

We looked at the conditions around this particular intersection at 50th street and minnehaha parkway, and this diagram is um demonstrating uh some of the anticipated outcomes. If this intersection were to be converted into a three-way stop um today, there is there's only a stop sign for the eastbound traffic on 50th street and the parkway traffic does not have any control. Today.

K

This is a diagram of the master plan, focus area, recommendations for this area, and you can see that our our focus or our primary project area is kind of one of many many recommendations that came out of the planning process for this area, but with the community advisory committee and mprb staff and community feedback. We identified this intersection as the highest priority for immediate implementation throughout the entire creek corridor.

K

Some of the other projects that might might become part of this scope, um depending on funding availability, might be looking at one-way conversion or opposing one-way conversions along the north leg of manyhaw parkway. Here, potentially, some upgrades for the area around the bunny sculpture and looking at potentially some of the medians to restrict some of the turning movements around the trails.

K

So now I'm going to go a little bit more in depth with the primary project.

K

This project schedule. Right now we are at the 30 percent review with you all we'll be meeting with the pedestrian advisory committee uh next week and then I believe the following week, we'll be actually reviewing with the cptf group with the city of minneapolis, and then we will be doing some community engagement with neighborhood groups and then taking all the feedback and working on construction documents planning to return back to the bicycle advisory committee um at 60 percent and 90, I believe- or maybe I'm misspeaking here.

K

Actually I think we might be returning back to you all at 90 percent and then looking to do bidding and construction administration through 2022.

K

um I threw in a a couple slides here just for reference if we need to come back to them in our discussion, but this is the project area aerial view 50th street minnehaha parkway. This is actually mislabeled from google, but this is also minnehaha parkway here and then this is that north leg of minnehaha parkway, as well street view you can see, there's quite a bit of traffic at this intersection. This is there's a sign today that says signal your turn.

K

You know this is a pretty confusing intersection. I think for most users, drivers, pedestrians and bicyclists. um The trail crossing is back here and um there- yes, I think for for drivers, it's not clear- or it's maybe not so apparent that they will be crossing a trail as soon as they kind of get past. This intersection there's some other issues that we're looking at alongside the primary project area kind of looking at some of the erosion issues and potentially adding a sidewalk along the north side of the parkway.

K

Here's another view of that intersection.

K

The shared use trail is here and then crosses the roadway and then the trail actually splits bikers go south and pedestrians continue across the bridge and then go south along the parkway on the other side of the creek another view a little bit further south along minnehaha parkway from that intersection, you can see the bike. Trail is really uh it's right.

K

At the back of the curb along the roadway, some trees have kind of made it so that the the path is narrowed here and not very consistent and then sidewalk on the east side of the road and then one more photo, maybe for reference later. If it comes up, but this is actually a little bit further east from the project area closer to the bunny and just showing the the parkway trail along uh the south side of the road and then the north side of the road there's.

K

um You know what the kind of goat pass, but no sidewalk today, so the primary project's goals, improved visibility of trail users, improve safety of trail users at the intersection, especially at 50th, and the parkway address legibility of intersection for drivers.

K

Some of the components that we are looking at um realigning the south leg of the intersection to a t, no I'll be pulling up a diagram in a second um designed for a future three-way, stop controlled intersection, expanding the pedestrian curb ramp areas at the crosswalks.

K

We know that this is one of the most heavily used trails in the park system and maybe even in the city and there's can be quite a bit of quite a bit of volume of pedestrian and bicyclists waiting at the intersections to cross upgrading crosswalk markings.

K

We want to use those green and white multi-modal, continental style, crosswalk markings and then we'll be looking at widening the trail segments to match the master plan. Recommendations for the parkway, which would be increasing to 12 foot minimum for shared use, trails 14, would be preferred and then 10 foot minimum for the bicycle trail.

K

Some other considerations we have that, are you know a factor in project and factor in the design. We want to try to preserve as many healthy, mature trees as possible.

K

If we can we'd like to maintain the existing on-street parking in the area and try to limit disturbance of adjacent front yards, this is one section of minnehaha parkway, where the um the the trail is directly in front of people's homes.

K

So this is the existing project area. As you can see, the the shared use trail is here and then crosses right at the curve of minnehaha parkway here and then the bicycle trail continues. South pedestrians cross the bridge, and then this is the pedestrian trail.

K

The geometry today of the roadway, is not conducive to communicating to drivers that they need to stop and yield for pedestrians and bicyclists at this crossing, which is kind of the biggest biggest design move we're looking at. So we are again looking at teeing up this intersection realigning the south leg so that it meets the intersection as close to a 90 degree angle as possible.

K

We are limited a little bit with the geometry because of this existing 50th street bridge. So we are, like, I said, a little bit constrained here. The bridge abutments start right here where my cursor is, and so we can't really push push the the realignment too much further to the west.

K

This line here is the right-of-way for the parkway we're looking at expanding those curb ramps, adding better crosswalk markings, potentially expanding and keeping trying to make this trail width consistent along the shared use trail and then, along with the realignment of the roadway, we're hoping to be able to make the bike trail along the south leg, also a consistent width and provide some separation from the roadway here, as I said right now, we're we're looking at some of these constraints with the existing tree locations trying to to figure out.

K

If we can can do all of this work without uh removing any trees. We that probably isn't possible and right now we're in um we're with the assistance of nprb staff, taking a closer look at some of those trees.

K

um Let's see here, another sort of component to the project would be moving some of the existing storm water infrastructure in with the roadway realignment, so there's movement of a few catch basins that would have to happen, and then that would need to be coordinated with this crosswalk as well to make sure that everything is maintained, ada accessible and uh try to try to eliminate uh obstructions in the pathway.

K

um See here, I think that's most of what we're looking at in this primary project area.

K

We are working through a preliminary cost estimate right now and then, as I mentioned, I think some of these issues we're looking at tree preservation tree removal trail winding on street parking, and you know I think today what we'd be looking for are any recommendations or preferred facilities that we should be exploring maybe further in depth at this in this area and then our next steps. um Let's see this meeting was actually rescheduled. This will.

K

The cptf meeting will be on the 23rd today, we're meeting with you all by school advisory committee, we'll be meeting with the pedestrian advisory committee next week and then in september, we'll be working through engagement process with the neighborhood groups.

K

As I mentioned earlier, there was a pretty robust engagement process to identify the project through the master planning process and identify, I think, in this area, more specific facilities and recommendations than most of the other areas within the master plan study, and so we feel fairly confident in the general scope of the project.

K

As far as engagement goes but we'll be working through informing the neighborhood groups about sort of the details of the project in september and then we'll be revising that schematic design and scope and then working through design development in later in the fall preparing plans and specs winter of this year and then we'll be looking to bid the project in the spring winter of 2022..

K

So that is the project in a nutshell, and if I skipped anything, madeline or carol jump in otherwise we'll open it up for discussion. I think.

A

All right is our anybody want to discuss.

L

Yeah marty- this is chris okay chris, so I just wanted to jump in quick uh as both the staff of the bac and also the liaison for this project for the city of minneapolis. I think I heard jody you questioning if you would be coming back to this group, and I just wanted to clarify that this would be the like final time for that.

L

So for anyone on the bac, I think tonight would be the time for a resolution uh of support or um whatever you all feel on this and then of course, jody madeline project team like if you feel the need or desire to come back, you're, always welcome to come back at a later date. uh But typically 30 is kind of the latest stage that this group will comment on.

K

Thanks for clarifying, I might have gotten some of my acronyms mixed up on our schedule. I.

L

Might have also just misheard, but just wanted to jump in.

A

Okay thanks, I'm jessie did you still wanna. I thought I saw.

I

Sure yeah, that's one. Okay, um hi jody was looking at the the layout that was um attached to the meeting here today. um A couple things um wondering if the um the trail on the south side of the roadway is going to have markings for bicycle traffic each way and then also separated pedestrian markings and part of the reason why I asked that is because I'm seeing the crosswalk markings at the intersection are split out for bikes and for peds and the bikes one is kind of on the opposite side.

I

You, you typically expect, but I could kind of see it here if, if that, um if there was markings on the south portion of uh that trail, there that we're kind of keeping uh bicyclists on this on the south side of the trail so wondering if there's markings on the trail.

K

Yeah, I think we probably well. We would like to do the markings and separating the both directions of bicycle traffic with the pedestrians as long as we're able to widen this trail to that 12 or 14 foot width, and so as it is today.

K

There's some inconsistencies in the width of this trail along between the intersections, and I think we need to do a little bit more study um with the trees and the existing yards to figure out what that width will ultimately be if it's remain existing bump it up to 12 feet or if we can bump it up to 14 feet and with the bicyclists, because the bicyclists are splitting off of the shared use trail here and going south.

K

It made sense to us to show the bicyclists crossing or staying to the south through the crosswalk, as well as along uh this segment. But I guess we're open to other recommendations of you know from this group.

A

Anyone with any recommendation, uh matt matthew.

M

Yeah, that's a good catch jesse and I am like okay, so my my take is, if it's shared, it should typically be white. Only uh if it's, if it's separated uh the bike part should be green and the pad should be white, because I think what would be confusing here is, I think, from a traffic operation.

M

Shared means you're supposed to whether you're, walking or biking and be on the right side as you're going in the direction you're going, and so here it would sort of require bikes going westbound to take a left, and you know northbound sega, right kind of in the same like, like head-on in in a fairly maybe confusing way. So that's my take I'm curious um jesse, since you brought that up. What do you think about that and and then I guess, uh mprb uh after hearing this, what do you think as well.

I

I mean I, I think I think it makes sense to have the um the bike and the ped um crossing technically bicycle extension lines and then the pedestrian crossing separate, if the the trail on the south is marked as having the pedestrian travel way on the north side of it, and then the bicycle travel way on the south side of it. But if it's really a just a truly going to be a shared use facility, then yeah just to having a fully white uh painted crosswalk would be good. There.

I

Also, I mean, I, I think, there's a there's, the other consideration. Could this crosswalk be raised if there's accessibility um issues with trying to get ramped down with that wide of a trail too.

A

Okay, anyone else.

I

M

I

Have one more comment too: sorry.

L

I

The parking bay, that's on the south, yeah right there, it's getting pretty close to the sidewalk and there's. It looks like there's a pinch point there, so in the in the winter that sidewalk might be covered with snow so either if the sidewalk can take more advantage of the right-of-way at that location or the parking bay kind of gets like cut off a little bit more. So we have a little bit more space between the the sidewalk and the um the the parking bays.

K

Yeah, I think that's a good point. The this parking bay is probably going to go away in the next stage of design, mostly because these trees will not survive this uh such little room. um So we had. We have put this in here to sort of explore if it's possible trying to. I don't know if you can see the underlay of the existing um trying to maintain about the same distance today for the residents here. But we are we we're going to have to weigh that with maintaining the existing trees.

K

We think the trees will probably win.

N

I I had a couple of questions, or I guess, thoughts for that western side of the bike path, um yeah and then up to the southwest corner. uh One thing I I use the material relatively frequently, and one thing I noticed is a lot of pedestrians end up sharing that path with cyclists, um for whatever reason, um and so so considering that, like the the space, the available space between the creek and the road obviously narrows right there. um If there's.

I

N

To kind of make that more of that small set, maybe the 12 foot mixed use path. You mentioned as a minimum for the master plan, even though it's not technically a misu mixed use path. um So and then the other thing I was thinking about too, was uh at that curb ramp on the southwest corner.

N

um If there's and maybe my first comment will negate the ability to do this, but kind of trying to figure out a way to kind of rotate that a little bit that that bike path intersection with that corner, um rather than being a direct, 90 degree angle, which could be tough for someone in motion on a bicycle, um seeing if there's just some way, just to get a little bit of a decrease in that angle,.

B

N

I should say I'm excited to see that change, because it also is a frequent rider, there's a lot of uncertainty when you're going to cross that street on that bike fast. So it's good to see this change. Thank you.

A

Yeah, I agree uh anyone else going once going twice.

D

Oh yeah yeah, philip here, okay, it's no! It's really great to see these um suggested improvements because people come along. You know a pretty good clip. You've got all of a sudden pedestrians and you're wondering. Should I go across the bridge? Do I do I use the goat pad? I mean if you're a pedestrian right. I can see why you're suggesting, on the north side, um minnehaha to put a sidewalk but yeah signage and wave finding, and probably probably some slowing down bikes as they uh get to this intersections.

D

Some visual physical cues would be really helpful because I can, I can remember a couple of times feeling like whoa, I'd, better stop, because pedestrians have stopped to kind of look around and figure out what to do where bicyclists stop and they've got bicycle trailer and they're not sure what to do so. It isn't confusing. I'm almost imagining a a big map, a kiosk, but that it doesn't work that much but um signage and wayfinding are going to be part. Q's, visual.

A

Cues: okay, anyone else.

A

All right, I want to thank you for your presentation and it looks exciting um and good luck with it. Thank you very much. Thank you.

O

A

You thank you all right, our last one and is amber here amber blanchard.

O

A

uh Stone arch bridge construction, staging.

O

Awesome, hello, everyone, my name is amber blanchard, I'm the project director for stone, arch repair project with mndot metro district. So let me get the presentation going. Can you all hear me? Okay,.

M

O

Awesome thanks for the head nod, jesse.

O

O

All right, so I've got a short presentation here, um just wanna.

O

The repair plans for this, and so we're meeting with you all today and then next week, we're meeting with the pedestrian advisory committee. So let me just get into this here.

O

There we go um so we've got a great project team working on this. We've got several offices and people representing mndot that you can see on the left, including the metro district, the cultural resources unit here at mndot, since the bridge is historic, the bridge office- and we have an architectural historian through mcdonald and mac architects that are is included in our project team and then the bridge engineer is lhb, incorporated they're based out of duluth and they've done, a lot of bridge repair, work and design for mndot over the years.

O

The work types that we have on this repair project just really quickly include full repointing of the masonry.

O

Excuse me, the mortar, that is on the structure, and that is including the entire bridge so all faces and underneath the arch spans as well we're going to be doing some repairs to the stone cracking the miner stone cracking that we am are seeing in some locations. We are going to replace severely deteriorated stone.

O

It's really not that much in the full context of the entire bridge itself, but a small percentage has deteriorated quite a bit that we will be looking to replace we're going to be repairing the weep drains or the drains that basically come out of the side of the structure as a lot of those have deteriorated as well.

O

The metal tie rods we're going to repair some of those and clean them up and restore them at least on the outside, and then we're also going to repair and install a scour monitoring system and some peer protection at the base of the piers. So we have a lot of repair work that we're going to be doing throughout the entire bridge, but most of the work is going to be with regard to that full repointing and the stone replacement.

O

So what I'm here today to talk to you about and get some feedback on, is access and staging uh you all know. This is a really um unique area with between the two locks and the horseshoe dam there as well, and so access is an issue and we want to make sure that our contractor has the best options and that are cost effective for us as well, so with that we're recommending staging half at a time.

O

So this depiction that you see here is what we would have for our first stage and basically to describe this a little bit. Hopefully you can see my cursor here. What we would do is we would basically split the bridge somewhere, um not quite in the middle, but it looks like right now we're kind of targeting where the trust span is or starts, and what we would do is we would close off the bridge to bikes and peds and work at on one side of the bridge, so we're proposing to do the east side first.

O

A couple of reasons for this is the east side will be done in concurrence with the park boards project that they have on father hennepin park, they're going to be doing a construction. At the same time, our bridge is under construction.

O

So we we thought timing. That would be really good as well. As I know, the city has some public works projects going on this fall and next fall for some sewer line, storm sewer that is taking place on the west side on the west bank at the same time. So we wanted to make sure we had enough access for that work, to get underneath the bridge over here and to coordinate the closure of cons for construction of the father hennepin park on the east side.

O

So what we would do and before I go there really some of the reasons that we decided to do this. Is it really lets the contractor work in an efficient manner and does have some possible cost reduction? For us. This project is extremely difficult to fund because it is not on the trunk highway, so we had to find some very special funds to use that were not trunk highway funds. In order to do the repair work on this project, so we do have a budget, uh it is 15 million.

O

We did get a million dollars from the legislature in 2018 and we're using much of that to do the design and engineering work to get ready to go, and then we also have uh two million dollars that we are using from our minnesota rail bank fund, as well as some federal funding, which is the 13 million. So excuse me, 12 million, so that rounds into our 15 million budget and all of my salary working on this and our construction inspection. Our design and inspection work.

O

Our design contract with our consultants all have to come from those three pots of mon money. um Another reason we decided to go this route is: we are looking at a way to get a more secure work area.

O

We don't want bikes and peds to go back and forth and interact with the contractor as little as possible, so that we can make sure we can secure the area and then allow the contractor, like I mentioned before, the free access and efficiency to do what they need to do to get the construction done as quickly as possible.

O

uh We I will point out that we will still have full access for the public to part of the bridge, so in this first stage uh the public will be able to come from the west bank on the west. End, go to the trust, span, look around and then turn around and come back, and there also will be an allotment for emergency vehicles to turn around in that same area.

O

So there is still full access to at least part of the bridge during construction and then, of course, safety of the traveling public is on our minds as well, and we- and we feel this is a safe um staging scheme that will make sure that both the contractors, personnel and the traveling public are safe during construction.

O

So I wanted to show you here the second stage on right uh as on the right side here. The second stage is really just the opposite of the first stage. It would include the work on the west side and actually more of the bridge would be accessible to the public during the second stage, as they come from the east here and really have access all the way to the trust span.

O

Again, we would have the trust span as a turnaround area for any emergency vehicles to get back out from the east side, and then that would essentially allow again the contractor to have the full access to the west side to continue construction and finish it all out.

O

So, um like I said, this is a short presentation really. Our next steps uh include the following, so we we did have 30 plans and special provisions that were provided in june, so that is complete.

O

We're looking for in september, we'll have the 60 plans and special provisions as a deliverable for review, in addition to that, towards the after labor day, sometime the beginning or middle of september, we're going to be doing the same type of presentation to the neighborhood group groups and letting them know about the access and staging scenario that I just presented to you and get some feedback from them.

O

On that scenario, and then in december we have our section 106 consulting party meeting again as well as our 90 plan deliverable and then in february we will be submitting all the project information to get ready for bid to get the contractor on board. We have a more lengthy ad time because we're doing a special best value or pre-qualification of our contractors, since we don't normally do mason restructure repair all the time. So we want to make sure that we get the right contractor to do the work.

O

Well, we are going to then receive bids from contractors in august august, 10th we're actually exactly a year away from uh receiving those bids, and then sometime in september or october, it usually takes anywhere from four to six weeks for um the award of the contract to go to the contractor. So we're somewhere in the range of september october of next year is when construction will begin now.

O

I know that the third avenue bridge is under construction right now and right now they are on schedule to open up the entire bridge in november of 2022, and so that means we're only going to have roughly about a month overlap between the the two projects getting done and chris hoberg- and I have been talking about this for a long long time and we are pretty confident right now that there won't be any issues between this project starting in third avenue getting completed.

O

But if there are any that arise, we'll we'll make sure to kind of cross that bridge pun intended when we get there. So uh we're not anticipating anything but as of right now there could be a schedule risk there. But we'll we'll see how things go on third avenue as we get to that point.

O

So really at this point, that's all the information I have. um If you have any questions, I'd be happy to take them, but again, I'm just looking for some feedback on what you think about the staging considerations here.

A

Does anyone have any recommendations or questions or.

A

Go ahead dan, yes,.

H

How long do you plan it's a two-part question? The first part is: how long is the construction going to take place? What's the.

O

Yep, yes, uh right now we're anticipating two two years, so um at least two construction seasons. uh The unfortunate part is the amount of time it's going to take for the construction is really based off of the repointing of the mortar, because we're reporting the entire bridge and that activity is very labor intensive.

O

So, even if we close the bridge, we wouldn't still be able to complete it in a shorter duration because of the fact that the mortar just takes so so much longer. So we are anticipating a two year. um Construction.

H

Would there be periods of time in that I mean? Does it have to stay closed the entire time, or could there be times where it would be could be opened up.

O

You know um that's a good question. We right now we're anticipating that it would be closed the entire time. um We can take a look at that and see if there are any possibilities of opening it up.

O

At any point, um the the staging areas that we have available to the contractor for storing and materials is pretty limited as well based on um the location surrounding the bridge itself, and so we are anticipating that, even though we're probably not going to have a crane or anything out there, we'll still have some equipment out there as well. uh That could utilize a lot or take up a lot of room. So at this point, we're we're just thinking that it'll be closed completely, but we can certainly look into that.

H

And uh I'm not sure what the schedule on the 10th avenue bridge is 10th street 10th avenue. um What uh will you be involved with uh being able to? I mean people need to get detoured around this thing. Will you have uh a uh a detour plan.

O

Yes, we will have a detour plan, yep, that's in the works right now. um We should be getting it for the 60 submittal, although I have not seen it yet and likely. The detour will will be third avenue for the most part, but uh we have not put that together yet so that is forthcoming, correct.

A

Thanks dan anyone else.

A

D

um Wow two years is a long time. I mean um it's such a oh, you know, there's just a lot of traffic, although I don't know the actual counts com compared to other places like the greenway, but um my mind just goes to my. Might there be times where staging area materials storage could be done at the river level down where the um you know the breakwaters are so that there could be periods. You know, pre-announced periods where people can plan to you know bring their. You know friends, neighbors visitors over the bridge.

D

um I I yeah, I know we might. It might be something to have a. I mean dan, I'm ready to think about a resolution around that, but it it's yeah two years people will be kind of shocked. I think so.

O

Sure, no, that that's a good point yeah um one of the things we're doing is we're gonna, have access from barges underneath the bridge and from above as well. So it's going to be kind of a two-pronged approach, so we will definitely look into that and see if there are any times where we can, you know, maybe we can prioritize getting some of the uh work done from the bridge itself on the deck to below done right away so that maybe we wouldn't be able to or wouldn't have to keep it closed for that long.

O

But we will certainly look into that. Yes, that's a great comment.

A

I don't see any hands, a quick question. Are you looking for a resolution, and this is to the committee? Are we going to do a resolution on this? Do we need to do a resolution on this.

A

D

I I think it wouldn't hurt to have a resolution just so that you know just so mndot and you know others sort of know that it's it it's concerning, and obviously the 15 million is a hard stop, but um to the extent possible for any times to open up the full bridge. I think just a resolution around that would be good.

A

Okay and what's the timeline.

D

Could we, I would think that we would maybe we could work on a resolution and bring it to the full bacc.

A

M

This is matthew that that makes sense to me from a timeline perspective. I don't think there's any urgency or any need to delay. I guess so this month sounds sounds right to me.

A

Thank you well, thank you for your presentation. Oh wait. One more person.

H

I'm hi marty. This is dan, just a question since we're focusing on third avenue as the the detour um is there any. I don't know where 10th street's at or bridge number nine, but definitely people are going both directions when they go over and it seems that if, if this thing is going to be closed for a length of time that we really need to be looking at detours going both sides- and I think that that's something that we could put into our resolution and just comment on that as well.

A

Okay, well, thank you for your presentation and good luck with it.

O

Thank you very much. I appreciate the time.

A

And we'll be working on the resolution. Okay,.

O

Sounds great I'll be in touch with you, matthew.

A

All right, thank you.

O

Fantastic. Thank you.

A

Okay group, uh so I think I missed a resolution on the second item that we had on. um We were going to make a resolution on the uh minnehaha 50 50th. Did we make a resolution on that at 30 percent.

M

I'm sorry who was that for.

A

I'm just asking oh dan dan: are we supposed to make a resolution for this? I think.

H

We could make uh we could work on some drafts, and I know that aaron had some thoughts on this.

H

What I prefer to do is if the group feels that uh we should be uh doing resolution on this, we'll um marty it'd be nice to uh get something put together this week that we can put out to the people that attended this meeting, just to make sure that we've captured the uh the spirit of the conversation and uh and then uh be able to uh work that into the uh for the full bac the following and the third week.

A

Sounds good thanks, aaron.

H

So aaron, if you are interested in taking that on.

N

Yeah I could, I could try to draft something.

A

Thank you, that'd be great, okay, uh dude! Is there anything else? I guess that we need to talk about. uh I know we'll work on the notes, so we'll get the notes out. Please make sure you take a look at it and make sure we're not missing anything. So we'll try to send something out. Other than that. I don't have anything else.

A

A

All right: well, it is 5 20 what 5 28. wow all right. Oh.

L

Look uh nice, nice job marty. Thank.

A

N

A

Thank you all right, well have a good evening. Everybody talk to you soon, thanks bye,.