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From YouTube: October 27, 2021 Redistricting Group
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A
Welcome
to
this
live
broadcast
of
our
virtual
meeting.
This
meeting
includes
the
remote
participation
of
members
as
authorized
under
minnesota
statutes.
Section
13d
.021,
due
to
the
declared
local
health
pandemic
city,
will
be
recording
and
posting
this
meeting
to
the
city's
website
and
youtube
channel
as
a
means
of
increasing
public
access
and
transparency.
A
C
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B
B
E
C
A
And
let's
watch
for
group
member
ginder
because
I
think
he
was
on
earlier
but
was
having
trouble
with
his
microphone,
but
we
do
have
a
quorum
so
we'll
now
proceed
to
our
agenda,
a
copy
of
which
was
posted
for
public
access
to
the
city's
legislative
information
management
system,
which
is
available
at
limbs.
Lims.Minneapolismin.Gov.
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F
F
F
A
A
A
I
thought
it
would
be
easier
for
us
to
park
start
with
park
board
districts,
since
there
are
only
six
of
them
and
then
we
could
work
our
way
up
to
the
more
complex
ward
maps
at
our
next
session.
A
I
asked
those
of
you
who
wished
to
to
submit
on
redistrict
r
a
draft
park
board
maps
and
there
were
six
total
maps
submitted.
A
My
plan
is
to
ask
each
person
who
submitted
a
map
for
a
brief
description
not
to
exceed
two
minutes
or
so
mr
munson
will
put
those
maps
up
on
the
screen
and
we
can
look
at
them
and
after
all,
six
have
been
introduced.
We
can
talk
about
them.
I
think
there
were
a
lot
of
similarities
in
these
maps
because
there's
only
so
much
you
can
do
with
the
over
under
variations
that
we
have
for
park
board
districts.
A
In
fact,
I'm
going
to
withdraw
my
map,
I
put
a
map.
I
submitted
a
map
as
well
as
a
conversation
starter,
but
there
were
a
number
of
other
maps
submitted,
some
of
which
were
similar
to
mine,
but
I'm
going
to
withdraw
mine
just
so
the
chair
is
not
doesn't
have
a
proposal
on
the
floor.
Commissioner
kozak
before
we
begin,
did
you
have
a
question.
H
As
you
told
us
a
couple
weeks
ago,
it
was
kind
of
fun
to
do
these
maps
and
once
you
get
the
hang
of
it,
I'd
have
a
big
crayon
or
a
little
brush
or
whatever,
and
but
I
had
trouble,
I've
done
had
three
or
four
tries
and
I
almost
got
done
and
when
I
tried
I
saved,
but
I
didn't.
Unfortunately,
I
I
should
have
saved
the
url,
and
I
know
when
small
print.
It
says
to
do
that,
and
I
will
try
to
remember
to
do
that
next
time.
H
But
then
how
do
you
retrieve
it?
And
I
I
don't
know
if
I'm
the
only
dumb
one
on
the
you
know
on
the
call
here,
but
then,
when
you
punch
into
the
the
link,
how
do
you
retrieve
the
map?
You
already
did,
at
least
in
draft
form?
You
know.
Maybe
mr
munson
just
said.
H
A
Maybe
I
can
start
you
can
call
up
any
map,
including
one
of
your
own
or
one
of
somebody
else's
just
by
using
that
url
that
is
assigned
to
your
map
and
putting
that
in
the
address
box.
Okay,
if
you,
if
you
do
manage
to
save
it
and
submit
it,
you
can
still
retrieve
it
and
modify
it.
If
you
wish,
you
can
retrieve
submitted
maps
post
them
in
district
r.
I
So
one
of
the
tech
guys
here
discovered
today
that
you
can
do
a
search
in
district
or
by
date,
so
it
it
may
be
out
there
still
if
you
wanted
to
do
a
search
in
district
or
but
otherwise
yeah.
If
you
start
from
scratch
and
remember
crosstalk,
are
you
going
directly
to
district
or
are
you
going
through
the
portal
at
minneapolismn.gov
because.
I
A
All
right,
let's,
let's
move
on
with
the
proposed
maps,
then
okay,
I'm
going
to
call
these
submitters
in
alphabetical
order,
and
the
first
map
was
group
member
calendar
group
member.
I
did
notice
when
I
looked
at
your
map
and
opened
it
in
district
or
that
it
had
a
13.47
percent
deviation,
and
I
know
that
you
and
your
description
say
it
was
down
to
2.7.
A
So
I'm
wondering
if
it
was
for
2.38,
I'm
wondering
if,
if
some
other
version
was
saved
as
the
final
version.
J
So
I
was
having
some
problems
with
accessing
them:
the
map
making
tool
on
my
macbook
air.
I
wonder
if
anybody
else
has
been
using
an
apple
laptop
to
to
do
it
in
what
browser
you're
using
because
when
I
call
tech
support,
he
said
that
the
google
chrome
browser
might
be
the
problem.
So
then
I
tried
it
in
safari
and
I
played
with
the
map
and
then,
when
I
finished
it
and
I
saved
it,
I
didn't
get
a
pop-up
that
said
to
submit
it.
I
J
That's
the
same
so
anyway,
some
of
the
other
maps
that
have
been
submitted
were
similar
to
mine,
so
we
can
go
on
and
discuss
them,
but
I
can
briefly
describe
what
I
did
in
the
blue
district.
They
believe
that
is
district
one.
I
I
cut
off
a
whole
section
of
the
southeast
minneapolis
neighborhood
and
put
that
into
district
three
and
that
increased
the
well
brought
the
district
one
down
closer
to
where
it
needed
to
be,
and
then
district
three
was.
J
It
was
not
big
enough,
and
so
I
added
in
some
of
the
neighborhoods
from
district
five,
the
pink
one,
and
so
I
removed
the
longfellow,
neighborhood
and
half
of
the
central
neighborhood
and
put
that
in
district
five,
so
that
made
five
more
balanced
and
then
in
district
six,
which
was
way
low.
J
I
added
in
that
whole
section
by
bidet
mccoska,
as
you
can
see,
to
the
to
the
east
side
of
the
day,
makaska
and
the
area,
the
neighborhoods
that
are
south
of
lake
of
the
isles
and
south
of
cedar
and
that
brought
district
six
up
to
where
it
needed
to
be
and
then
for
the
downtown
district.
I
added
in
a
little
bit
over
there
by
the
target
center
and
that
balanced
out
the
district.
J
What's
that
olive
green
one
district
four
so
anyway,
I
tried
to
stay
within
the
neighborhoods
and
honor
as
many
of
the
boundaries
as
I
could,
but
for
a
visual,
let's
go
on
to
some
of
the
other
ones
that
actually
were
very,
very
similar
and
I'll
keep
trying
to
figure
out.
If
anybody
has
any
ideas
about
how
to
access
the
maps
from
a
macbook
computer,
what
what
browser
are
you
using
because,
like
I
said,
chrome,
didn't
work
at
all
and
safari
didn't
really
save
my
map?
A
Thank
you
let's
move
on,
but
we
do
need
to
figure
out
a
way
to
resolve
your
technical
problem
before
we
get
to
the
ward
maps,
so
maybe
we
can
arrange
a
console
with
city
tech
staff
if
necessary
to
work
through
it.
Okay.
Thank
you.
I
K
And
very
similar
to
grimmer
callahan's
description.
I
think
we
had
quite
a
few
pieces
that
overlapped
on
us
some
specific
things
for
the
ward,
three
and
one
boundary
so
the
turquoise
and
the
blue.
I
did
something
very
similar
with
part
of
prospect
park
moving
from
park
district
one
into
park,
district
three
it
just
it
has
to
cross
the
river
there
for
one
of
them
just
because
park
district
one
needs
to
shrink
a
little
bit.
The
other
big
change
was
five
in
pink.
K
K
Between
district
six
in
purple
and
in
green
with
four,
I
moved
the
border
by
biden,
mccoska
up,
made
it
a
much
more
east-west
line
across
there
and
then
also
went
a
little
further
than
that
just
to
try
to
bounce
the
population
a
little
bit
further
up
north
of
lake
of
the
isles
and
cedar
lake,
just
because
that
made
the
districts
a
little
bit
closer
balanced
and
that
one
a
different
thing
that
I
did
do
looking
at
the
neighborhood
maps
and
also
just
looking
at
the
geography
and
again.
K
I
know
you
can't
zoom
in
on
this
particular
view,
unless
you're
in
district
or
but
I
I
wait.
I
can't
zoom
in
okay
yeah,
if
you
don't
mind
on
the
border
between
two
and
and
four
there's,
actually
one
small
bit
of
the
neighborhood
that
was
on
sort
of
the
other
side
of
the
394
off-ramps.
It
didn't
make
a
lot
of
sense
to
me
that
that
would
be
attached
on
to
four
when
you
couldn't
even
walk
between
the
two
very
easily.
K
So
I
did
move
those
two
small
blocks
over
into
district
two.
That
was
the
only
other
distinctive
change
here
and,
if
you're
able
to
show
the
the
current
boundaries
on
this
map
versus
the
the
one
I
proposed
you'll
be
able
to
see
that
border,
but
yeah
just
to
the
right
of
where
your
cursor
is
is
where
I
move
those
a
couple
tracks
over
okay.
A
F
Yeah,
I
guess
great
minds,
think
alike,
because
my
changes
that
I
proposed
were
almost
identical
to
groomer
johnson's.
I
think
I
made
maybe
slightly
fewer
changes
on
the
boundary
between
districts.
Three
and
five.
F
I
pretty
much
just
kept
it
to
moving
all
of
the
howe
neighborhood
into
district
five
and
then
in
the
boundary
between
districts.
Four
and
six,
I
pretty
much
just
kept
it
to
the
east
bademokosa
neighborhood,
but
yeah.
I
we
had
the
same.
We
used.
We
both
used
university
avenue
as
the
divider
between
districts,
one
and
three,
and
we
both
had
the
same
idea
for
the
unifying
the
north
loop
neighborhood
under
district
two.
A
L
A
Let's
it
actually
works
better.
It's
sounded
better
in
the
last
couple
of
remarks
that
you
made.
L
L
The
one
thing
I
ran
into
was,
or
several
things
were,
that
the
census
tracts
didn't
align
with
the
neighborhoods
all
the
time,
and
so
I
had
a
couple
of
places
where
it
was
impossible
to
not
breach
a
neighborhood
boundary
because
of
the
way
the
census
tracts
laid
out.
A
All
right,
thank
you,
group
member
schwarzkopf,.
I
M
M
M
M
What
I
try
to
do
is
I
try
to
keep
the
longfellow
area
around
longcall
park
and
I
moved
up
into
the
southeast
minneapolis
brought
that
into
I
think
district
three
in
order
to
bring
down
district
one
and
also
then
I
made
some
changes
over
in
the
southwest
area,
but
relatively
minor,
and
by
and
large
what
I
was
working
on
really
the
boundaries
of
the
deviation.
A
A
And
that's
it
for
the
maps
that
were
submitted.
Why
don't?
Why
don't
we
take
either
questions
for
the
submitters
or
comments
and
then
we'll
see
if
we
can
come
to
consensus,
at
least
as
a
place
to
start?
I
would
just
say
I
would
just
say
first
that
you
know
this
is
our
first
map,
not
our
final
map.
A
It's
our
preliminary
map,
so
the
goal
here
is:
is
a
minimum
change
map
to
get
the
conversation
started
to
the
extent
we
want
to
make
deviations
or
move
things
around
a
little
more,
at
least
in
my
mind.
That's
the
job
of
the
final
map.
A
Also,
I
would
say
that
in
in,
in
my
view,
anyway,
that
five
percent
is
is
latitude
that
we
can
play
with,
and
we
can
use
that
if
we
want
to
to
make
neighborhoods
whole
to
keep
communities
of
interest
together
or
to
create
minority
opportunity,
districts
and,
for
example,
I'll
I'll-
remind
the
group
that
the
last
time
we
did
this
the
last
time
around
keeping
the
east
side
together
as
one
park
district
meant,
we
had,
it
was
like
a
4.99
over
deviation,
but
that's
what
enabled
us
to
keep
the
east
side
together.
A
M
M
M
Again,
this
is
very
similar
to
the
one
I
had
before,
except
I've
taken
out
the
little
bit
that
dropped
down
into
southwest
minneapolis
from
from
the
blu-ray
from
the
origin.
12
was
the
green
area,
I
guess
it
was,
and
then
I
moved
into
the
southeast
and
minneapolis
a
little
less
than
what
I
did
on
the
other
one.
But
the
key
thing
here
is:
I
got
it
down
to
a
2.4
deviation,
I'll
just
throw
that
one
out
too.
A
All
right,
thank
you.
Does
anybody
have
any
questions
or
comments
before
we
start
talking
about
specific
changes
that
we
want
to
incorporate
in
our
final
proposed
map.
Remember
calvin.
J
J
I
think
some
people
call
it
prospect
park
and
that
neighborhood
is
already
aligned
with
some
of
the
schools
that
are
on
the
other
side
of
the
river,
like
sanford,
middle
school
and
south
high
school,
and
so
it
makes
good
sense
to
include
all
of
that.
Neighborhood
in
district
3.
J
So
I'm
wondering
if
mr
munson
can
pull
up
that
community
of
interest
map.
It
just
shows
this
little
tiny
section.
J
Yeah,
so
if
we
include
all
of
that
area
with
the
rest
of
southeast
minneapolis,
which
includes
like
pratt
elementary
school-
and
you
know
all
the
way
over
to
the
south,
the
saint
paul
border
and
including
that
with
district
three
that
might
keep
that
community
of
interest
together,
rather
than
splitting
this
little
bit
off
to
district
one
northeast
minneapolis.
A
Thank
you.
I
would
say
that
although
the
school
district
has
elected
to
use
the
park
district
boundaries
boundaries,
they
are
not
required
to
do
so.
They
can
set
their
own
boundaries
and
they
have
elected
to
use
the
park
district
boundaries
just
because
they
are
similarly
organized
with
six
districts.
A
K
Johnson
go
ahead.
Group
member
johnson.
Thank
you
yeah.
I
think
one
of
the
things
we're
going
to
face
with
both
I
mean
parks
district
to
some
extent,
but
certainly
for
the
wards,
is
how
to
think
about
the
university
and
the
student
population
itself,
which
is
not
just
the
university
campus,
but
the
surrounding
area
with
high
student
population.
You
know:
do
we
think
of
them
as
a
community
of
interest?
Do
we
think
of
them
as
needing
to
be
in
one
particular
ward
or
in
this
case
park
district?
K
That's
only
something
that
I
struggled
with
drawing
the
park
district
map
and
some
of
the
things
I've
done
with
the
ward
as
well.
So
when
I
was
thinking
about
this
for
the
park
district,
you
know
west
bank
I
kept
in
three
and
then
on
the
other
side
of
the
river
for
prospect
park.
You
know
I
did
not
include
that,
as
you
know,
being
the
hive
student
population
area
and
that
seems
similar
to
what
others
maybe
were
thinking.
But
if
we
can
maybe
explore
just
sort
of
how
to
treat
the
student
population
quickly.
E
Thank
you.
I
I
think
that
these
points
are
well
taken,
but
I'm
very
concerned
about
combining
the
air,
the
university
community
on
the
west
bank
with
the
rest
of
the
community
only
because
the
west
bank
represents
a
greater
other
communities
of
interest,
particularly
the
somali
community,
and
it
may
have
more
in
common
with
other
communities
of
interest
than
students.
D
Yes,
I
I
would,
I
would
agree
with
the
previous
comment
in
that,
having
worked
on
political
engagement
and
voter
engagement
extensively
with
the
university
population
over
the
last
four
years,
if
there
is
one
big
overarching
characteristic
about
the
student
population
is
that
they
all
are
very
different.
They
all
identify
with
a
lot
of
other
communities
across
our
city
and
not
necessarily
as
much
as
a
singular
community.
I
mean
they
are
a
community
and
that
they
all
go
to
school.
D
A
I
would
also
point
out
that
in
the
university
area
the
greatest
park
amenities,
the
greatest
park
amenity-
is
the
river,
so
we
may
treat
it
differently
for
park
districts
and
for
awards,
but
for
park
districts
at
least
throughout
the
city.
What
we've
tried
to
do
is
make
is
give
different
park
districts
having
jurisdiction
over
opposite
sides
of
the
river,
so
more
than
one
park.
Commissioner,
has
a
voice
in
how
the
river,
which
is
one
of
our
greatest
park,
amenities,
is
treated.
M
A
head
member
schwartz
squad
when
I
drew
one
of
my
maps
for
the
boards,
I
tried
to
put
the
university
in.
I
M
The
west
side
and
the
east
side
together,
as
well
as
the
college
of
augur
college
and
then
fairview
hospital
and
also
university
hospital,
which
are
part
of
the
same
thing.
So
I
tried
to
draft
it.
So
all
those
communities
would
be
in
the
same
same
ward,.
A
Can
I
suggest
that
we
go
back
to
either
the
kim
or
the
johnson
map,
whichever
one
you
can
get
to
the
fastest.
A
I
think
what
most
of
the
maps
that
we've
looked
at
tonight
have,
in
common
start
with
an
easy
one,
is
moving
the
day:
mccoska
east
the
de
macoska
neighborhood
from
six
into
four,
because
that
increases
the
population
of
six
and
takes
away
from
four.
A
I
think
we
saw
that
in
almost
every
case.
Is
there
any
objection
to
doing
that?
What
I'd
like
to
do
is
just
go
through
this
stuff
and
where
there's
no
objection,
we'll
just
sort
of
build
our
map
and
if
there
is
an
objection,
we'll
discuss
an
if
necessary
vote,
but
this
seems
to
be
one
thing:
the
maps
all
had
in
common.
K
Sure
just
a
process:
question:
okay!
Is
it
possible
for
us
to
actually
do
this
in
district
or
where
we
can
see
the
current
district
boundaries?
I
have
no
objection
to
using
remember
kim's
map.
I
think
it's
again
a
very
good
starting
place.
I
was
wondering
if
we
could
pull
that
up
with
the
boundaries.
This
was
more
visible
for
everyone.
I
Flip
it
no,
I
can
flip
back
and
forth,
but
we'll
have
to
do
them
sequentially.
So
I'm
going
to
put
the
park
districts
up
and
hopefully,
okay,
can
you
see
the
park
district
overlay.
A
Yes,
okay
guys,
so
this
is
again
group
member
kim's
map
and.
I
A
The
number
you
see
if,
if
you
can
sort
of
highlight
with
your
cursor
mr
bunsen,
the
east
bidet
mccoska
neighborhood,
which
is
the
indentation
at
the
top
of
district
six.
A
A
All
right,
the
other
things,
the
other
things
that
the
maps
have
all
had
in
common,
is
moving
district,
three,
a
portion
of
district
three
taking
away
from
district
one,
because
district
one
is
too
big.
So
the
question
I
think
is
where
we
divide,
where
we
divide
the
line
of
what
we're
moving
from
one
into
three.
A
I
A
A
K
It
was
also
to
university
avenue
we
may
have
had
the
same
north
south
boundary
as
well,
we're
very
close
to
it.
K
I
It
looks
pretty
similar.
A
A
So
is
there
any
objection
to
making
the
the
section
of
three
that
moves
that
takes
up
three
takes
away
from
one
bounded
by
the
neighborhood
boundary
on
the
west
and
university
avenue
running
northwest
to
southeast.
L
Commissioner
sandberg
I
I
was
able
to
move
that
and
maintain
balance,
but
I
understand
your
argument
that
university
is
a
good
boundary
again.
My
whole
purpose
was
to
keep
neighborhoods
together.
So
in
some
cases
we
are
going
to
have
to
split
them,
and
I
mean
I'd
be
fine
with
that,
but
I
don't
think
it's.
L
Okay,
I'm
having
problems
with
my
husband's
headphones
anyway.
Let's
see,
I
I
think
it's
possible
to
keep
that
neighborhood
together,
but
I
understand
the
argument
about
university
so,
but
I
just
don't
want
people
to
think
it's
not
possible
to
do
it.
I
think
it
is,
but
that
would
be
fine
with
me.
M
So
excuse
me,
I
would
like
to
check
the
two
boundaries
that
I
drew
there
and
see
if,
where
they
came
in
check
that,
for
a
minute
sure.
M
Let's
put
the
the
neighborhoods
on
top
of
that.
A
E
Thank
you,
I
just
wondered:
is
there
any?
Is
there
a
park,
an
actual
that
is
affected
by
splitting
up
that
neighborhood?
Would
it
end
up,
you
know,
half
in
one
part
half
of
another
or
anything
like
that?
I
just
think
we
should
be
considering
the
park
district
in
terms
of
the
parks
that
exist
besides,
I
know
the
river
is
one
long
park.
I
know
right
any
other
park.
Neighborhood.
A
A
A
H
Hey,
did
you
call
me
yeah,
no
problem,
carry
it
lipstick.
A
So
hearing
no
objection
to
that
whose
map
are
you
in
now,
mr
munson?
I.
I
Am
in
group
member
kim's
map.
A
A
You
can
see
there
where
district
three
used
to
come
down
into
the
longfellow
neighborhood
to
the
end
of
the
neighborhood
and
group
member
kim
has
moved
the
boundary
up
to.
Can
you
see
the
street
mr
munson?
It.
I
K
A
And
then
can
you
show
district.
K
The
only
difference
I
noticed
between
remember
kim's
and
myself
was
to
the
west
of
hiawatha,
I
added
more
into
district
five.
That
was
the
only
difference.
Otherwise
it
was
the
same
boundary
on
34th
street
for
long.
K
I
think
the
purpose
was
to
not
split
longfellow
from
both
his
map
and
my
own.
J
And
can
I
point
out
something
where
the
word
longfellow
appears
right
between
the
g
and
the
f
and
the
e
there's
a
that's
where
the
park
is
so
the
the
park.
J
Fellow
park
right
longfellow
park
would
be
you
know
the
people
who
live
across
the
street
from
it
would
be
in
district
three,
but
I
I
agree
with
this
line
being
drawn
here.
A
Sorry,
flipping
back
and
forth
between
maps
is,
I'm
sure
you
all
are
too.
The
member
kim's
map
stops
the
change
at
hiawatha.
A
K
I
believe
we,
we
united,
how
in
one
in
one
park
district
with
both
of
these
plans.
Just
as
an
aside,
the
one
reason
that
I
did
add
additional
population
in
was
just
to
balance
the
numbers
more
closely
and
since
there
were
already
boundaries
further
to
the
west
that
divided
up
neighborhoods,
it
didn't
seem
like
this
was
doing
any
more
than
that,
but
it
certainly
opened
a
discussion
on
where
that
boundary
should
be
west
of
hiawatha.
K
N
A
N
D
Extending
the
line
through
the
bottom
half
of
the
corcoran
neighborhood
as
one
of
the
maps
proposed,
would
actually
cut
a
park.
The
one
that's
just
south
of
south
high
school
campus.
It
would
actually
cut
through
the
middle
of
a
park.
K
Yes,
it
was,
I
mean
if
this
only
was
a
park
that
was
divided.
I'm
glad
to
hear
about
that.
As
a
just
a
quick
point,
though,
you
know,
would
it
be
possible
to
take
a
look
at
the
the
population
distribution
because
I
believe
between
three
and
five.
K
It
ended
up
that
five
is,
I
don't
wanna
say
substantially
below,
but
it
did
feel
like
it
should
have
a
little
bit
more
population
added,
I
think,
there's
a
question
of
maybe
where
that
would
come
from,
but
again
a
cherokee.
As
you
pointed
out,
we
do
have
some
room
within
the
five
percent
as
well
for
these
types
of
things,
but
if
you
go
further
west
the
powderhorn
neighborhood's
also
been
been
cut
apart.
I
think
we've
under
the
difficulty,
though
of
powderhorn
park,
is
a
very
large
park.
A
Correct
and
as
you
note,
they're
also
divided
in
the
current
map,
in
addition
to
the
proposed
map,
so
that
could
be
one
thing
we
would
look
at
in.
Our
final
map
is
whether
it's
possible
to
reconcile
those
such
that
the
neighborhoods
were
not
divided.
M
I
think
that
on
my
first
map
I
tried
to
keep
the
butterhorn
park
closer
together.
M
Move
further
up
and
on
the
right-hand
side
go
to
district.
L
And
sure
clegg
this
is,
commissioner
sandberg,
I'm
sorry
even
a
few
minutes.
I
think
my
map
also
kept
all
those
neighborhoods
together.
They
slid
some
of
the
others
in
other
places,
but
I
you
know,
I
think
it's
good
to
look
at
the
neighborhoods
because
they
usually
are
very
respectful
of
them.
I
I
E
M
H
The
that
that
map
west
of
it
cuts
corcoran
as
best
I
can
see
with
my
eyesight
corcoran
and
standish.
Both
get
split
in
that
map
just
just
to
the
west
of
hiawatha
right.
A
So,
commissioner,
schwarzkopf
at
least
from
my
perspective,
I
would
prefer
the
ones
that
kept
corcoran
and
standish
together,
very,
very
good
and
and
then
we
would
still
we
would
have
to
split
the
two
neighborhoods
to
the
west,
but
they're
already
split.
Now
we
can.
We
can
look
for
a
better
solution
if,
if
we
want
when
we
come
up
with
our
final
map
but
for
our
minimum
change
first
draft,
that
would
be
my
preference.
I
Reference:
here's
member
cams
and
here's
member
johnsons.
A
So
the
only
difference
here
is
that
remember,
johnson's
splits
you're
going
to
have
to
make
this
bigger.
H
I
think
member
johnson
also
said
that
when,
when
we
isn't
that,
where
the
park
might
split
a
park,
in
which
case
I
think
he
said
that
he'd
prefer
not
to.
If
I'm,
if
I
heard
him
correctly,.
K
That's
exactly
it
if
there's
a
park,
that's
split
in
half
unintentionally
with
us,
it's
hard
to
get
that
detailed
up.
I
certainly
split
a
park
apart
yeah,
that's
something
I
I'm
open
to
discussing
and
again
I
will
stipulate
too.
If
this
is
an
initial
conversation
for
the
preliminary
map,
I
mean
I'm
very
happy
to
go
with
group
member
kim's
map
on
this
and
revisit
the
population
issue
down
the
road.
Once
we
have
everything
else
said.
J
I
think
that
the
the
splitting
powderhorn
and
central
neighborhoods
along
36th
street
makes
good
sense
because
36
is
a
major
thoroughfare
there
and,
and
that
keeps
all
of
the
powderhorn
park
intact.
And
I
think
that
many
many
of
the
residents
who
live
south
of
36th
street
might
feel
that
that
that's
an
okay
split.
I
A
K
Can
we
pull
up
the
the
data
layer
instead
for
the
current
boundaries,
because
I
think
that
would
highlight
the
difference
between
two
and
and
four
there?
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
I
think
both
remember
kim
and
myself
both
made
similar
changes
here
on
that
border.
K
Remember
kim,
maybe
you
can
discuss
your
reasoning
on
it.
I
left
the
only
reason
I
moved
those
two
tracks
into
district
two,
just
because
they're
on
the
other
side
of
394
there
and
you
could
actually
see
target
field
written
on
it.
It
didn't
move
a
lot
of
population,
but
it
seemed
to
simplify
the
border.
But
maybe
you
could
talk
about
your
reasoning
on
moving
the
north
loop
boundary
because
that's
the
only
difference
between
our
maps
up
in
this
area.
F
Yeah,
I
I
pretty
much
was
just
following
the
north
loop
neighborhood
boundary.
That's
all.
I
was
thinking
just
keeping
it
simple
here
if
there
was
some
sort
of
overarching
reason
why
the
previous
or
I
guess,
current
map
split,
didn't
follow
the
neighborhood
boundary.
I'd
certainly
be
open
to
hearing
that,
but
not
being
aware
of
when
I
simply
went
with
the
the
neighborhood
boundary.
J
So
when
I
was
drawing
the
line,
I
was
following
the
boundary
of
the
main
road
there.
So
there's
and
I
can't
remember
what
it
is,
but
I
think
it's
north
it's
memorial
drive
or
which
is
55.
J
It
comes
in
on
on
the
left
and
then
kind
of
angles
off
towards
the
river,
including
so
to
to
cut
off
some
of
district
one
and
add
it
to
district
four.
N
K
Yes,
there
is,
I
certainly
did
not
want
to
split
up
neighborhoods
if
I
didn't
have
to
the
corker
in
one
was
another
example.
One
of
the
issues
that
I
was
looking
at
is
population,
and
this
is
probably
a
bigger
picture
question
and
mr
munson,
would
you
mind
going
to
the
population
tab
on
my
map.
K
That
does
mean
that
they
have
more
power
per
voter
in
those,
and
I
felt
that
that
was
something
at
least
to
to
have
a
conversation
about,
and
that's
why
I
was
more
aggressive
about
trying
to
get
these
relatively
close,
and
maybe
you
could
actually
show
the
same,
especially
for
in
this
one,
the
evaluation,
because
I
believe
that
does
talk
about
you
know
some
of
the
voter.
You
know
demographics
and
things
like
that,
but
there
is
a
difference
that
we
have.
K
You
know
consistently
the
whiter
neighborhoods
and
certainly
the
whiter
than
districts
that
have
the
populations
that
are
under
versus
the
ones
that
have
a
larger
bypa
population.
So
that
was
one
of
my
considerations
when
I
was
drawing
the
district
boundaries.
A
And,
and
can
you
look,
compare,
remember
johnson's
map
to
member
kim's
and
look
at
the
by
population
in
district
two.
K
And
then
that
was
also
again
because
there's
different
ways
to
slice
this
data.
I
know
it
gets
very
nuanced
for
this,
but
yes,
voter
range
population
is
one
also
the
general
population
by
race
and
then
again
population
as
a
whole.
I
mean
all
those
different
things
are,
I
think
things
we
consider
again.
I
don't
want
to
fight
over
the
north
loop
being
divided,
for
you
know
an
hour,
but
these
are
some
of
the
things
that
I
was
thinking
about
for
how
to
divide
this
up
and
sort
of
what
were
the
most
important
factors.
C
Yep,
so
I'll
just
throw
my
two
cents
in
and
this
I
think
the
numbers
are
pretty
close
and
I
would
favor
trying
to
keep
the
neighborhoods
together
if
we
can,
as
a
general
rule.
So
I
would
favor
group
member
kim's
map
at
this
point.
Thanks.
A
Thank
you.
I
was
remembering
that
one
thing
some
people
complained
about
in
our
last.
It
was
a
ward
map,
not
a
park
district
map,
but
is
that
they
thought
we
had
created.
What's
called
what
they
call
a
poverty
ward,
that
being
the
fifth
award,
because
the
the
fifth
award
that
we
had
created
well,
it
was,
it
became
a
minority
opportunity
award.
It
also
encompassed
essentially
mostly
poor
areas,
which
is
not
something
that
we
see
in
our
census
data.
A
O
I
just
want
to
bring
something
up.
I
didn't
I
didn't
realize.
I
didn't
see
this
issue
until
I
was
looking
at
the
map.
O
O
O
A
O
H
Mr
chairman
and
miss
machoon,
I
think,
if
I'm
not
mistaken,
is
there
was
there
not
some
court
description
of
how
that
two
for
two
by
one
provision
actually
worked,
because
if
you
look
at
the
widest
part
of
the
district
district
2
down
in
the
south
end,
my
guess
is:
you
would
be
pretty
close
to
two
by
one.
H
O
Yes,
there
is
that
one
case
that
I
talked
about
in
my
presentation,
my
training,
so
you
would
take
it.
You
look
as
far
west
and
as
far
east
as
you
can
to
see
where
those
lines
would
be
so
as
far
west.
As
that
little
knob,
that's
sticking
up
toward
the
north
west.
O
O
O
You
can
see
that
yeah
exactly
so
you
would
take
those
measurements
and
then
see
if
you
know
the
length
is
more
than
twice
as
long
yeah
more
than
twice
as
long
as
the
width
and
I
it
looks
like
it
might
be
longer
than
that,
so
I
just
wanted
to
bring
that
up,
because
I
don't
want
there
to
be
any
challenges
on
that,
because
that
is
a
change
brand.
New
change
to
the
charter.
A
Member
campaign,
fundamental
change
for
to
have
district
2
or
any
district
cross
the
river-
it's
such
a
natural
boundary
in
the
north
north
part
of
the
city,
and
I
think
we
could
defend
that.
Given
the
flexibility
in
as
much
as
possible
language
and
I'd
rather
try
to
defend
it
than
you
know,
we
could
move
the
nikola
island
east
bank
neighborhood
into
ward
into
district
2.
That
would
give
us
some
additional
east-west
leverage,
but
it's
also
got
quite
a
significant
population
because
of
all
the
population
on
the
east
bank.
So
probably.
F
So
I
did
a
very
crude
estimate
of
the
east
west
and
north
south
kind
of
checking
for
that
compactness.
I
did
it
in
google
maps
to
the
best
of
my
ability,
which
was
very
imprecise,
but
I
don't
think
it
violates
the
two
to
one
ratio.
I
can
don't
know
if
I
have
it
readily
accessible.
I
can
try
to
show
my
work
for
that
at
a
later
point,
but
I
I
don't
think
especially
adding
that
little
extra
bit
of
the
north
loop
that
I
did
to
keep
the
neighborhoods
together.
I
think
it
actually
satisfies
it.
F
It's
adding
that
little
knob
up
there
kind
of
gives
us
just
enough
leverage.
I
think.
A
Well,
let's,
let's
make
a
note
to
confirm
that,
as
as
we
discuss
our
final
map,
but
that
to
me
that's
another
good
reason
to
to
keep
the
north
loop
together,
as
it
gives
us
a
little
bit
farther
stretch
to
the
east.
E
Thank
you
just
a
brief
comment.
This
discussion
just
re-emphasizes
for
me
that
we
continue
to
make
our
reasoning
very
clear
and
to
talk
these
things
through,
because
when
our
rationale
for
choosing
a
line
becomes
clear,
then
it's
less
likely
to
be
challenged.
E
K
I
would
be
fine
with
that.
I
think
again,
the
two
to
one
ratio,
I
think,
is
something
just
to
double
check,
and
I
think
one
other
thing
I
would
just
ask
is
that
you
sort
of
once
we've
had
the
conversations
about
the
individual
borders
between
these.
We
do
look
more
holistically
at
what
that
means
for
the
overall
balance
of
population.
K
Do
certain
populations
in
the
city
have
disproportionate
power,
if
that's
the
case
as
well,
because
there
just
are
fewer
people
in
particular
districts
than
other.
Is
there
any
pattern
to
that?
I
think
it's
something
I'd
like
to
look
at
at
the
end,
but
it's
only
for
this
particular
border.
I
think
that
makes
complete
sense
with
the
neighborhood
boundary
and
other
reasoning
too,
that
you
gave.
A
I
I
agree
and
I
think
again
that's
the
reason
we
do
preliminary
maps
because
so
neighbors
can
come
and
yell
at
us
and
said
you
split
our
lake
in
half,
it's
that'll
give
us
a
chance
to
fix
those
mistakes.
A
F
K
F
A
Are
there
any
other
questions
about
this
map
or
comments
or
suggestions
for
change?
This
would
be
the
time,
for
example,
to
say:
well
what
happened
if
you
move
the
boundary
from
36
to
35th
or
and
people
would
point
out
well
one's
a
thoroughfare
and
one's
not
etc,
but
this
would
be
the
time
if
you
want
to
suggest
something
or
suggest
further
analysis
and
have
mr
munson
paint
frantically.
This
would
be
the
time
to
do.
K
And
I'll
just
now
that
you've
pulled
up.
If
I
can
the
one
issue
that
I
did
see
just
when
you
look
at
this
more
holistically,
is
you
know
which
of
the
awards?
I'm
sorry
excuse
me
precincts
or
our
district
sorry
are
above
or
below
the
ideal
number,
and
we
end
up
with
you
know
five
and
also
six,
which
are
you
know,
the
most
affluent
of
of
the
districts
which
end
up
again
below
the
ideal
by
a
decent
portion.
K
You
know
four
percent
almost
and
then
we
have
two
and
also
three,
which
are
the
districts
with
the
highest
bipod
population
that
are
now
above
certainly
one
and
four
are
between
those.
So
I
just
want
to
point
that
out.
I
know
they're
within
the
margins,
but
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
we
are.
You
know
addressing
that
and
just
making
sure
we're
having
that
clear.
A
M
The
the
concern
I
have
is
the
same
concern
I
think
that
was
raised
by
commissioner
johnson,
and
that
is
how
important
is
it
to
really
keep
committee
to
the
neighborhood
together
versus
the
amount
of
deviation,
and
I
think
that
commissioner
johnson
was
trying
to
do
that.
I
was
trying
to
do
that,
but
it
seems
like
it's
more
important
not
to
worry
about
deviation
but
to
make
sure
neighborhoods
don't
get
cut.
I
suspect
that's
one
of
the
major
things
we're
voting
on
right
now.
A
Well,
I
think
what
we're
voting
on
is
this
map,
but
we'll
we
can
certainly
have
that
discussion
either
now
or
later
in
considering
the
final
map,
because
you
know
we
could
move
the
lines
of
five
and
six
farther
north
to
give
them
a
more
proportionate
population,
but
then
we'd
be
cutting
parts
in
half
and
risking
that
kind
of
neighborhood
division.
So
we
can
talk
about
priorities
between
those
two
competing
objectives
as
we
work
on
our
final
map.
A
C
F
A
That
motion
carries
congratulations.
That
being
said,
I
think
the
the
ward
map
is
going
to
be
more
than
twice
as
complex
as
this.
A
So
what
I
would
like
to
do,
and
I'll
work
with
mr
munson
to
send
out
a
date
and
time
is
schedule
a
second
meeting
for
awards,
so
we
can
go
through
the
same
process,
but
it's
going
to
be.
You
know
having
twice
as
many
wards
as
districts
probably
means
it's
going
to
be
four
times
as
hard,
so
I
want
to
make
sure
we
have
enough
time
and
to
get
something
on
the
calendar
now
so
I'll
work
with
mr
mussin
to
do
that,
but
thanks
very
much
everybody
for
participating
this
evening.
C
Yes,
yes,
I
have
a
process
question,
so
we
have
our
our
first
draft
of
our
park
districts-
and
this
is
this
published
to
the
public.
Where
do
we
go
from
here
for
the
park
districts.
I
I
Yes,
so
I
am
going
to
go
ahead
and
take
member
kim's
map
and
resubmit
it,
as
is
on
behalf
of
the
redistricting
group,
and
it
will
be
submitted
in
the
submission
gallery
where
all
the
other
maps
reside.
And
then
this
will
be
the
map
that
we
present
for
the
first
public
hearing
on
november
17th.
I
A
Our
also
requires
that
we
submit
draft
park
district
maps
to
the
park
board
and
ask
them
if
they
have
any
comment.
We
are
not
bound
by
their
comments.
The
last
time
we
did
this
10
years
ago.
We
submitted
the
map
and
they
had
no
comments,
but
once
we
have
this
preliminary
map
finalized,
I
would
submit
it
I'll,
send
it
to
council
for
the
park
board.
So
they
have
it
and
have
an
opportunity
to
comment
before
we
propose
a
final
map.
G
G
I
would
appreciate
being
mailed
all
the
maps
and
written
materials
that
I
should
have
that
are
going
to
be
relevant
to
our
november
10th
meeting
and
to
our
other
meetings
that
may
take
place
between
now
and
november
11th.
I
could
make
a
more
positive
contribution
if
I
knew
what
I
was
looking
at.
A
A
Okay,
very
good,
so
between
now
and
november
10th
your
homework
assignment
is
essentially
the
same
as
it
was
today,
but
with
respect
to
districts.
A
So
please,
if
you
want
to
propose
a
district
map-
and
you
don't
have
to
if
you
don't
want
to,
but
once
you
have
finalized
your
own
map
in
your
own
mind,
put
your
name
on
it,
so
we
will
have
it
for
consideration
at
our
next
meeting.
Again
you
don't
have
to.
If
you
look
at
somebody
else's
and
say
that's
a
great
map,
then
that's
fine.
We
just
want
you
to
be
able
to
look
at
what's
been
proposed,
propose
your
own.