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From YouTube: June 22, 2021 Heritage Preservation Commission
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A
B
Good
afternoon,
everyone
welcome
to
this
live
broadcast
of
our
virtual
meeting
of
the
june
22
2021
regular
meeting
of
the
minneapolis
heritage
preservation.
Commission.
This
meeting
includes
the
remote
participation
of
members
as
authorized
under
minnesota
statutes,
sections
13
d
.021
due
to
the
declared
local
health
pandemic.
B
For
the
record,
my
name
is
barbara
howard
and
I
serve
as
vice
chair
of
the
minneapolis
heritage
preservation.
Commission
sheri
sunberg
has
asked
me
to
chair
this
afternoon's
meeting.
I
will
now
call
this
meeting
to
order
and
ask
the
clerk
to
call
the
rules
that
we
may
verify
the
presence
of
a
quorum.
B
B
I
will
go
through
the
agenda
and
sort
out
which
items
will
be
continued
to
a
future
meeting
which
items
will
be
discussed
and
which
items
will
be
put
on
the
consent
agenda
to
be
approved,
as
recommended
by
staff
without
further
discussion.
We
have
just
one
item
to
sort
item.
Number
four
is
1035
14th
avenue,
southeast
ward
2.
It
is
for
local
designation
of
como
avenue,
congregational
church.
This
item
will
be
discussed.
B
B
F
B
The
agenda
is
approved.
Our
next
order
of
business
will
be
to
approve
the
minutes.
From
our
june
8th
2021
meeting,
we
caught
a
clerical
error
on
the
minutes
for
item
number
five
and
it
has
been
fixed
and
has
been
uploaded
to
the
the
website.
Commissioners
may
have
a
motion
to
approve
those
minutes
nice
journey.
D
B
Zero
nays
minutes
are
approved
before
I
open
the
hearing
to
public
comments.
Let
me
summarize
the
process
for
conducting
the
public
hearing
in
this
virtual
format.
The
process
for
the
public
hearing
is
as
follows:
we
have
just
one
agenda
item.
First
planning
staff
will
present
its
report
and
commissioners
may
ask
questions
of
staff.
Then
we
will
hear
from
the
applicant
and
commissioners
may
ask
questions
of
the
applicant.
B
After
that
I
will
open
the
public
hearing
and
we
will
invite
public
comment
we'll
take
speakers
in
the
order
they
pre-registers
and
speakers
will
be
limited
to
two
minutes.
After
we've
completed
the
list
of
any
pre-registered
speakers,
we
will
see
if
there
are
any
other
speakers
in
the
queue
who
may
have
called
in.
In
order
to
activate
your
microphone.
Speakers
will
need
to
press
star
6
on
your
phone
and
wait
to
hear
a
recorded
message
after
your
name
is
called.
Please
state
your
name
and
address
for
the
record
and
then
proceed
to
your
comments.
B
So
again
we
will
take
the
list
of
any
pre-registered
speakers
in
order
and
then
open
the
floor
to
any
other
speakers
who
may
be
in
queue
when
recognized.
Please
press
star
six
on
your
phone
to
activate
your
microphone
so
that
we
can
hear
you.
We
ask
each
speaker
to
provide
their
name
and
address
before
making
any
comments.
B
Please
keep
your
comments
to
the
specific
applications
that
are
before
us
today.
After
the
public
comments
are
complete.
I
will
close
the
public
hearing
on
the
item.
Commissioners
will
then
deliberate
and
act
on
the
application
before
us.
Our
first
and
only
item
is
item
number
4,
1035,
14th
avenue,
southeast
ward,
2
for
local
designation
of
como
avenue
congregational
church.
B
F
F
The
church
was
previously
identified
by
cpen's
staff
as
a
potential
historic
resource
in
a
historic
review
letter
from
march
of
2020,
the
hpc
heard
the
nomination
on
october
27
2020
and
voted
to
place
the
property
under
intern
protection
and
called
for
a
designation
study
to
be
conducted
next
slide.
Please,
following
a
request
for
proposals,
local
historical
consultants
knew
history
were
chosen
to
research
and
write
the
study.
F
F
F
Other
cedric
design
properties
are
also
listed
in
the
national
register
of
historic
places
in
the
city,
which
include
the
pretty
well
known
west
westminster
presbyterian
church,
as
well
as
statement.
Dayton's
department
store
building
next
slide,
please,
since
its
initial
construction,
the
property
has
undergone
large
alterations
at
multiple
dates
throughout
the
20th
century
and
it
no
longer
retains
relevant
significance
or
integrity
to
be
considered
for
local,
landmark
designation.
F
The
property
was
nominated
under
criterion
1
for
events
and
criterion
3
for
neighborhood
identity
back
in
october
of
last
year,
as
the
property
appeared
that
it
may
meet
those
criteria.
Given
the
information
available
at
the
time,
the
property
was
further
evaluated
under
the
city.
7
criteria
for
designation
in
the
designation
study
and
it
was
found
that
it
did
not
meet
any
under
criterion
1
in
the
study.
Research
did
not
reveal
that
the
property
was
associated
with
significant
events
periods
or
associated
social
histories
that
may
allow
for
designation.
F
The
church
is
not
a
notice
notable
it's
not
notable
for
its
association
to
the
congregationalist
movement
in
minneapolis
or
with
associated
organizations
such
as
the
women's
christian,
temperance
movement.
The
history
of
the
church
itself
is
somewhat
common
of
congregationalist
churches
in
the
city
and
this
association
to
these
events
or
these
organizations.
It
does
not
rise
to
the
level
of
significance
that
could
allow
the
property
to
be
designated
under
criteria,
one
under
criterion
three
for
the
property
containing
our
associated
distinctive
elements
of
neighborhood
identity.
F
F
The
state
historic
preservation
office
provided
comments
in
agreement
with
staff
recommendation
to
not
designate
the
komo
avenue
congregational
church
and
they
stated
the
integrity
of
the
church
has
been
compromised,
rendering
and
ineligible
for
local
designation.
We
concur
that
the
como
avenue
congregational
church
does
not
meet
any
of
the
minneapolis
criteria
for
designation.
F
The
designation
study,
as
mentioned
before,
was
also
presented
to
the
city
planning
commission.
This
was
on
may
27th
of
2021
at
their
regular
public
committee
of
the
whole
meeting.
The
cpc
were
mostly
neutral
in
their
comments.
They
neither
expressed
strong
support
or
opposition
for
staff's
recommendations,
but
commissioners
generally
express
that
they
understood
and
or
agreed
that
the
building
is
altered
to
a
point.
F
The
please
avenue,
congregational
church
is
not
significant
as
an
example
of
a
building
designed
by
charles
sedgwick.
The
building
has
been
greatly
altered
from
its
original
sedgewick
design.
Multiple
cedric
designated
designed
buildings
in
minneapolis
are
either
already
locally
designated
or
listed
in
the
national
register
of
historic
places.
F
The
church
no
longer
retains
sufficient
features
or
integrity
to
be.
The
best
example
of
a
queen
anne
church
worthy
of
designation
for
architecture
and
research
did
not
reveal
that
the
later
alterations
of
the
church
gained
significance
as
a
characteristic
piece
of
the
building.
That
would
allow
it
to
be
designated
for
that.
F
B
B
F
Thanks
vice
chair
howard,
you
know
with
the
additional
comments.
It's
always
you
know
very
interesting
to
receive
these
and
and,
of
course
hear
from
surrounding
property
owners,
but
as
far
as
the
changes
that
have
happened
to
the
church,
what
was
clearly
stated
in
the
designation
study
and
how
it
does
not
meet
the
city's
criteria
for
designation.
B
A
A
There
did
everything
and
it
was
part
of
the
story
of
southeast
como
and
how
it
was
developed
and
maybe
even
a
big
piece
of
southeast
minneapolis
and
if
we
so
that
was
significant
and
very
interesting,
and
somebody
from
the
outside
would
think.
Oh
criterion,
three
might
fit
with
that
or
even
the
it's
el
well
a
famous
person,
and
I
think
that
came
up
again
when
we'd
hear
about
maria
sanford.
A
The
first
professor
female
professor
at
the
university
of
minnesota,
her
involvement
there
there's
a
school
named
after
her,
so
I
couldn't
from
reading
the
report
and
then
seeing
the
conclusions.
I
couldn't
always
make
the
direct
connection
when
you'd
hear
about
significance
in
neighborhood
identity.
The
proof
was
in
the
study
that
was
done
seemed
to
be
pretty
important
and
then
it
was
yet
not
quite
enough
same
with
the
architect.
A
I
know
it's
an
interior
to
the
building
and
maybe
it
doesn't
seem
significant,
but
actually
I'm
not
sure
I've
ever
seen
a
church
built
quite
like
that,
and
it
is
so
unique
I'd
love
to
see
the
other
sedgwick
church
and
see
if
it
had
the
same
sloped
floor
the
same
entrance.
The
way
it
was
in
the
same
windows
and
obviously
he's
built
more
expensive
things
and
fancier
things,
but
this
might
be
an
example
of
a
working
class
really
early
church
in
a
neighborhood.
That
is
more
significant.
So
it's
not
my
decision
to
make.
A
I
have
somehow
been
granted
to
our
ordinances
the
authority
to
nominate
these
things.
So
I'll
do
so
and
I
think
it
might
qualify
and
there's
some
evidence,
I'm
not
at
all
frivolous
with
these
things,
and
I
also
won't
do
it
unless
there's
community
interest
and
support
for
it.
So
I
did
that
and
now
it's
in
your
hands-
and
I
just
thought
I'd-
offer
some
of
my
comments
to
maybe
balance
some
of
the
conclusions
that
were
drawn
by
the
people.
Who
did
the
study
that
didn't
necessarily
seem
consistent
with
the
information
that
they
found.
A
B
B
Hearing
none
with
that
we'll
move
on
to
anyone
else
wishing
to
speak
for
against
this
item
again,
we'll
take
the
list
of
pre-registered
speakers
in
order
and
then
open
the
floor
to
any
other
speakers
who
may
be
in
queue
when
you're
recognized.
Please
press
star,
6
on
your
phone
and
wait
to
hear
a
recorded
message
to
activate
your
microphone
so
that
we
can
hear
you.
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
H
H
H
Como
congregation
for
his
new
como
neighborhood
maintained
it
and
then
used
it
for
decades
as
his
base
for
civic
improvement
efforts
in
como
and
across
the
city
from
1900
on
sanford
was
a
trustee
steering
church
affairs
and
most
important.
She
was
a
continuous
presence,
speaking
at
cuomo
congregational,
delivering
and
perfecting
her
messages
to
audiences,
about
wilderness
conservation,
civic
reform
suffrage,
temperance,
equal
access
to
health
care
inequality
under
the
law.
H
The
social
activism
career
that
she's
famous
for
today
we've
reached
the
opportunity
to
give
these
two,
along
with
their
como
neighborhood
back
then
in
1900,
which
was
filling
with
immigrant
and
newcomer
minneapolis
citizens
to
give
all
these
the
appropriate
landmark
recognition
for
this
part
in
minneapolis
history.
Now
we're
worried
about
the
designation
study
you've.
Seen
from
the
other
information
placed
on
the
record
that,
unfortunately,
the
designation
is
study
is
short
or
wrong
on
the
facts.
H
Instead,
in
the
last
month,
full
information
has
now
been
given
to
the
commission
and
put
on
the
public
record.
Most
important
the
building
possesses
more
than
sufficient
architectural
elements
in
the
facade
and
in
the
sanctuary
to
be,
as
required
by
the
nps,
the
essential
physical
features
that
enable
it
to
convey
its
historic
identity.
B
B
E
But
I
also
do
see
the
historic
preservation
side
of
it
and
understand
the
the
reddit
from
new
history,
because
I
do,
I
do
tend
to
lean
more
towards
what
they
had
written
up
based
on
their
research
and
also
for
I
mean
I
know
they
couldn't
look
necessarily
at
the
integrity
of
the
building,
due
to
the
fact
that
it
didn't
meet
their
criteria
when
they
were
writing
up
about
it.
But
integrity
is
also
something
for
me
and
looking
at
the
building
that
was
kind
of
hard
to
ignore.
E
So
I
it's
hard
because
I
know
the
city
or
the
the
community
really
loves
it,
and
I
really
you
know
I
don't.
I
understand
the
love
of
buildings
and
I
understand
wanting
to
see
something
saved
or
something
put
on
a
you
know:
hold
significant
listed
wise
compared
to
just
like
in
your
in
your
hearts
of
like
how
you
feel,
but
I
do
also
see
the
historic
preservation
side
of
it
like
I
just
I
tend
to
agree
with
staff
findings
on
this.
E
B
B
I
J
J
We
hired
as
a
third
party
for
this
particular
study
and
the
fact
that
we
wanted
to
be
very
transparent
and
very
objective
approaching
this
study
and
that
the
rfp
that
went
out
publicly,
you
know
stated
very
clearly
that
the
the
job
of
the
consultant
was
to
recommend
for
or
against,
and
the
evidence
speaks
for
itself.
These
consultants
meet
the
secretary,
the
interior
standards
for
professional
qualifications
in
architecture,
architectural
history
and
history.
J
There's
it's
a
very
specialized
feel,
as
we
all
know,
for
those
that
sit
on
this
commission
and
those
who
have
worked
in
this
field
as
consultants
in
the
public
body
for
the
government
for
nonprofits
and
to
be
qualified
to
look
at
history
and
to
fit
it
under
criteria.
It
takes
a
lot
of
training
and
a
lot
of
special.
J
You
know,
there's
an
education,
a
lot
of
us
have
master's
degrees
or
phds
in
this
field,
and
and
we
are
fully
confident
in
the
consultants
work
and
that
they
approach
the
project
as
objectively
as
they
can.
With
these
types
of
studies,
they
looked
at
the
evidence,
they
looked
at
the
history
and
they
made
the
conclusion
that
they
did
and
staff
is
confident
in
the
consultant's
conclusion.
J
You
know
significance,
especially
when
it
comes
to
history,
can
go
many
different
ways.
It
can
be
subjective,
it
can
be
objective,
it
can
be
very
personal
and
I
think
a
lot
of
us.
You
know
at
least
for
staff
and
also
probably
for
members
of
this
commission.
It
can
be
a
topic
that
can
tug
at
heart
strings
in
ways,
but
in
a
way
we
have
the
ordinance
there
and
the
criteria
there
to
help
us
separate
that
to
be
able
to
look
at
these
properties
as
objectively
as
possible
and
fit
them
into
these
categories.
J
So
if
the
consultant
would
like
to
speak
to
their
work,
I
don't
want
to
point
them
out
and
say:
hey,
please
defend
your
work.
We
are
confident
in
we're
confident
their
recommendations.
Staff
agreed
with
their
recommendations.
We
feel
that
they
made
a
very
solid
case
for
why
this
building
should
not
be
designated
against
the
body
of
work.
J
That's
already
currently
in
the
city
and
the
criteria
that
we
hold
and
and
even
though
they
didn't
discuss
the
integrity,
because
they're
saying
that
it
didn't
meet
the
significance
criteria.
It's
always
we're
always
looking
at
it.
You
know
attesting
to
commissioner
nystrom's
comment:
we're
always
looking
at
integrity.
J
We
are,
but
the
first
threshold
is
significance,
so
I
will
leave
it
at
that.
I
will
let
you
know,
commissioner
howard
ask
the
consultant
if
they
wish
to
make
any
statements
to
their
work
or
their
process,
but
I
you
know
fully,
understand
and
accept
if
they
do
not
want
to.
So
that
is
my
comment.
Yeah.
B
G
B
G
Sure
I
think
what
I
should
do
actually
is
have
lauren
anderson
join
me
if
that's
possible
yeah,
and
she
can
give
a
just
a
brief
overview
of
how
how
she
would
how
she
did
research
this
project
in
a
typical
research
process.
What
that
looks
like
in
terms
of
sources
consulted,
so
would
that
be
all
right.
Yeah.
K
Hi,
thank
you,
yeah.
I'm
happy
to
give
an
overview
of
our
our
research
process
for
for
this
designation
study
and
really
any
designation
study
that
we
do
we
for
this
particular
one.
We
consulted
a
wide
range
of
historic
newspaper
articles
just
given
the
the
nature
of
this
church
that
it
was
a
neighborhood
building.
K
Newspapers
were
a
great
source
of
information,
so
we
really
combed
through
probably
dozens,
if
not
hundreds
of
newspaper
articles
using
some
online
databases
and
keyword,
searches
to
uncover
really
what
the
the
role
of
this
building
was
in
the
community.
We
also
consulted
the
historic
photographs
and
images
that
were
available.
K
You
know
elo's
political
and
economic
accomplishments
as
a
representative
and
a
businessman
and
maria
sanford's
role,
as
in
various
social
causes
and
her
kind
of
pioneering
role
in
the
academic
world.
As
a
female
and
based
on
the
the
resources
that
were
available,
we
concluded
that
the
property
was
not
the
best
representation
of
those
individuals
contributions
to
the
city's
history.
B
I
B
Although
she
spoke
here
many
times,
this
may
not
be
the
best
representation
of
her
significance
and
more
than
that,
because
of
the
the
alterations
that
have
been
made
to
the
building
long
after
alwell
and
sanford
were
no
longer
associated
with
it.
It
can
no
longer
really
represent
that
time
period.
The
way
that
we
would
expect
it
to
for
integrity
concerns.
So
I
appreciate
the
information
that
was
provided
in
the
comments,
but
I
don't
think
that
it
would
change
my
mind
on
whether
or
not
this
building
particularly
is
is
locally
designatable.
D
Well,
I
wanted
to
thank
employment,
gordon
for
for
the
nomination.
It
was
really
very
interesting
to
learn
about
the
history
of
the
building.
It's
a
tough
one
weighing
you
know
the
love
that
a
building
has
in
the
community
with
that
from
a
you
know,
historical
perspective
and
and
if
it's
actually
worth
preservation
and
nomination.
B
I
Commissioner,
howard
margot
stroud,
I
guess
the
only
thing
I
would
like
to
say
is
that
I
think
it
would
be.
It
would
be
worth
considering
deferring
action
on
the
matter
until
we
can,
until
the
consultants
can
see
what
we
received
and
just
simply
respond
and
say
it
doesn't
change
their
their
recommendation.
That's
that's
really.
I
guess
all
that
I
would
want
to
do.
I
B
E
I
guess
before
commissioner
johnson
called
the
motion.
I
was
just
going
to
agree
with
what
you
said
in
terms
of
integrity
concerns,
but
also
with
your
like
summation
of
what
both
the
consultants
had
come
forward
with
and
kind
of
your
thoughts
on
el
well
in
stanford.
So
I
just
wanted
to
say
that
I
I
agree
with
what
you
were
saying
by
chair
howard,
but
I
still
agree
that
we
could,
I
still
say
it
with
my
motion
as
well.
So.
B
D
B
J
Thank
you,
commissioner.
Howard
yeah,
I
usually
have
an
update,
as
I
think
it
was
brought
up
at
the
last
meeting.
The
station
preservation
office
is
requesting
comments
on
the
most
recent
draft
of
the
status
preservation
plan,
which
I
did
send
out
earlier
today.
The
link
to
that.
So
I
think
comments
are
due
mid-july,
so
it
makes
sense,
in
my
opinion,
to
just
and
everybody,
as
they
have
time,
to
take
a
look
and
provide
individual
comments,
as
requested
by
the
state
staff
will
do
the
same.
J
I
also
like
to
give
updates,
as
when
hpc
items
go
to
biz,
which
is
the
business
inspections,
housing
and
zoning
committee,
and
we
did
have
a
big
item
that
went
today
that
is
had
not
been
heard
for
a
while,
so
last
march
3rd
december
2020,
the
latter
march
3rd
2020.
Forgive
me
our
last
in-person
meeting
before
the
pandemic.
J
J
This
one
I'm
just
giving
a
straight
play
by
play
discussion
with
the
other
committee
members
on
that,
so
that
is
sort
of
the
update.
I
know
you
haven't
heard
any
updates
for
me
on
that,
because
it
has
been
just
sort
of
on
the
back
burner
for
a
while,
but
that
is
where
that
designation
stands
at
this
point.
So
right
now,
it's
hanging
out
in
committee
council,
member
gordon,
is
going
to
talk
with
some
of
the
other
committee
members
about
the
designation
and
some
of
the
concerns
and
that
have
come
out.
J
So
that
is
the
only
update
I
have
on
that
one,
but
other
than
that.
I
don't
have
any
further
updates
from
from
biz
or
from
anything
else.
As
you
all
know,
I
should
still
be
here
for
probably
another
month
or
so
before
I
will
transition
duties
to
to
another
staff.
Member
temporarily,
while
I
go
out
on
leave
but
other
than
that
we
are
smooth
sailing.
Thank
you.