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A
The
disclaimer,
okay,
hello,
everybody
welcome.
This
is
a
bicycle
engineering
committee
and
I
need
to
read
this
to
all
members.
Members
of
the
board
may
participate
remotely
by
telephone
or
other
electronic
mains
due
to
the
local
public
health
emergency
level.
Local
colorado
by
epidemic
declared
on
more
march
16
2020.
Pursuant
to
the
provisions
of
minnesota
statute,
section
13.021,
a
portion
of
this
meeting
may
be
close
to
the
public
pursuant
to
minnesota
statute.
Section
1
30..
Am
I
doing
the
right
one
or
130.05?
A
That's
fine!
Usually
it's
in
the
chat,
but
that's
good.
Okay,
all
right
all
right!
So
this
I
hope
people
had
a
chance
to
look
at
the
agenda.
A
What
we
have
are
two
proposals:
one
is
cedar
lake
road
bridge
replacement
with
alexander
kato,
abdullahi
abukar,
and
I
think
it's
mesurek
lana.
I
apologize
if
I
missed
that
up
and
the
second
one
is
the
minneapolis
park,
trail
maintenance
and
that
tyler
peterson.
So
I
think
littleton
right
now
has
put
up
the
cedar
lake
ridge
replacement
and
is
alex
here.
Alexander.
C
Awesome,
I
will
I'll
pull
up
the
screen
in
a
second
alexander,
cato
transformation.
Planner,
we
came
at
you
all
with
a
zero
percent
concept.
So
now
we
have
a
ten
percent
concept
to
share
with
you
all
abdullah.
He
and
mesuret
are
both
engineers
and
they'll
be
on
the
call,
and
then
we
have
a
few
folks
from
tkda.
Our
consultant
group
that
are
on
the
call
as
well
there's
additional
questions,
I'm
gonna
hop
in
and
just
get
right
into
it.
I'm
just
gonna
share
my
screen.
C
Okay,
great
so
yeah,
let's
just
hop
right
into
it.
This
is
an
exciting
project.
You
know
we're
replacing
a
bridge,
that's
deteriorated
near
the
end
of
its
useful
life
and
you
know.
Obviously
this
provides
an
opportunity
for
us
to
improve
some
of
the
multimodal
connections
on
it.
So
the
bridge
was
built
in
1941,
so
it's
it's
definitely
near
the
end
of
its
useful
life.
C
So
the
goals
you
know,
obviously
in
plate,
replacing
asian
infrastructure,
improving
by
pet
access
and
safety,
maintaining
vehicle,
vehicular
access-
and
I
know
there's
you
know-
maybe
some
sensitivity
to
that
and
then
coordinating
with
the
agency
partner.
So
there's
the
loose
line,
trailer,
that's
adjacent
to
this
and
also
bnn
bn.
Sf
rail
operates
under
the
bridge,
so
we're
coordinating
with
them.
Here's
some
of
the
the
daily
usage
so
about
1500
vehicles
that
they
use
the
bridge,
that's
actual
data
taken
from
the
bridge
and
then
about
460
pedestrians
about
160
cyclists.
C
C
Here's
the
project
map.
Again,
you
can
see
the
the
red
square
here
represents
the
area.
There
are
actually
two
bridges
on
the
cedar
lake
road,
we're
just
replacing
the
first
one.
The
second
one
here
still
has
a
few
decades
of
life
left,
and
so,
when
that
does
near
the
end
of
its
useful
life,
it
will
be
replaced,
but
it
will
not
be
part
of
this
project.
C
The
loose
line
trail,
which
I'm
sure
most
of
you
are
familiar
with,
does
come
travel
through
here,
connects
via
the
bridges
and
then
continues
on
loosely
and
trail
into
bryn
mawr
park.
So
we're
coordinating
with
the
park
board
around
these
improvements
as
well,
because
we
all
know
how
how
how
important
this
loose
line
trail
is,
and
also
it
does
connect
into
the
north
cedar
lake
regional
trail
as
well.
So
we
want
to
definitely
maintain
that
connectivity.
C
So
these
are
the
existing
conditions.
I'm
sure
you
all
are
relatively
kind
of
aware
of
kind
of
the
general
context.
We
have
cedar
lake
road
here,
travels
north
south,
where
you
see
the
bridge
over
here
on
the
active
rail
line
and
the
loose
line
trail
connects
there.
C
These
are
just
a
few
existing
photos
of
the
bridge.
You
know
I
do
apologize
they're
a
little
blurry,
that's
just
on
a
nice
day
in
the
fall.
Here's
a
view
looking
towards
the
rail,
the
rail
tracks.
C
Here's
the
view
from
the
south
end
where
the
current
bike
lane
facilities
are
so
this
is
the
general
proposed
improvements,
I
would
say,
don't
focus
too
much
on
this
intersection.
This
is
still
being
fine-tuned.
We're
well
aware
that
there's
a
lot
of
challenges
with
intersections.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
the
crossings
properly
address
cyclists
that
may
be
on
this
side
of
the
road
that
want
to
cross
onto
the
loose
land
trail.
C
C
Here's
the
existing
cross
section.
So
we
have
about
a
six
to
seven
foot
sidewalk
with
about
a
you
know,
four
foot
railing.
Then
we
have
an
on
street
bicycle
facility
as
a
bike
lane
it's
about
six
feet.
We
have
two
12
foot
travel
lanes
and
then
the
same
treatment
on
the
other
side
of
the
road.
So
right
now
the
bridge
is
50
feet
in
width
and
our
proposed
design
is
actually
going
to
be
56
and
a
half
feet
in
width.
So
we
do
have
the
ability
to
widen
the
bridge.
C
We
are
not
widening
the
travel
lanes,
though
we're
widening
the
bridge
to
provide
more
enhanced
bike
and
pet
facilities
a
little
difficult
to
see
in
this
visual,
but
there's
bike
and
pad
facilities
at
the
same
grade
as
the
bridge
deck
and
then
there'll
be
a
seven
inch
raised.
Curb
that's
about
two
feet
wide
to
provide
that
physical
separation
from
motorists
and
cyclists
as
you're
well
aware
in
the
current
design,
there's
just
paint:
there's
no
ball,
there's
not
even
bothered,
there's
no
physical
separation
at
all.
C
So
this
proposed
design
from
a
bypass
safety
standpoint,
I
think,
is
much
improved.
The
treatment
is
the
same
on
the
other
side
of
the
bridge
as
well.
You
will
see
that
there
are
still
12
foot
lanes.
We
are
recommending
striping
those
to
be
10
foot
with
the
two
foot
buffer
for
more
storage,
space
for
snow
and
maintenance
and
still
reducing
the
the
physical
painted
space
that
motorists
have
to
travel
on
this
bridge
down
to
10
is
our
recommended
treatment.
C
The
screening
here
is
just
a
proposed
concept.
I
do
have
a
few
precedent
examples.
I
can
show
you
of
other
screen
treatments.
We've
done
around
the
city,
we're
still
working
through
the
design
of
that.
So
definitely
open
the
comments
and
feedbacks
on
the
screen,
but
just
know
that
this
is
not
the
final
design
treatment.
I
mean.
We
know
that
this
will
be
a
really
popular
conversation
piece
for
members
of
the
community
for
folks
in
bhcpac,
etc.
So
definitely
I'm
open
to
that,
but
just
don't
want
to
raise
anyone's
alarms.
C
That
were
that
this
is
the
final
kind
of
iteration
of
that
next
steps.
We
have
an
open
house
on
october
26th,
where
we're
sharing
these
concepts
with
the
public,
we'll
have
a
public
website
up
and
then
in
the
summer
of
2022,
we'll
have
a
30
finalized
concept
and
then
we're
planning
for
construction
in
2023..
C
That's
it
for
the
presentation
and
I'll
just
open
it
up
for
questions
from
the
audience.
Just
one
quick
thing
before
I
take
comments
and
questions.
Did
anyone
from
the
city
team
or
from
the
consultant
team
have
any
questions
or
any
comments
about
the
designs
before
we
open
it
up
for
feedback
from
the
committee
members.
A
D
Yeah,
I
do
one
thing
I
was
going
to
maybe
ask
about
if
for
consideration,
so
I
saw
that
the
the
vehicle
volumes
were
pretty
low
on
this
roadway
and
it
seems
like
most
of
the
concepts
include
a
striped
center
line,
and
I
was
wondering
if
there
were
there
was
if
there
was
any
consideration
for
not
striping
a
center
line
on
this
roadway.
Just
to
you
know,
make
that
space
a
little
bit
more
vague
and
to
potentially
slow
vehicle
traffic
as
well.
C
D
C
Yeah,
it's
a
fair
question.
Yeah.
I
don't
do
a
lot
of
striking
and
signing
I.
I
would
like
to
defer
to
mesoret
or
abdullahi,
if
possible,
around
this
just.
C
E
Oh
yeah,
okay,
that's
very
low
if
it's
okay
and
then
your
engineers
want
to
say
I
I
do.
That
is
a.
A
G
Oh
yeah,
I
just
want
to
add,
is
that
this
is
a
gym.
If
you
can
add
as
well
is
that
this
is
a
state
aid
route,
so
we
will
have
them
to
review
our
design
as
well.
So
we
will
verify
with
state
8
as
well.
H
Yeah,
I
kind
of
have
two
questions
and
I
see
matthew
hendricks
is
here
now
and
he
probably
maybe
he
can
pipe
in
one
was.
I
thought
it
was
matthew
who
had
who
asked
on
the
last
time
this
was
presented.
We
asked
the
city
to
explore
the
option
of
not
including
cars.
Matthew
is
that
right
did
you,
and
so
I
was
wondering
if
you
did,
especially
with
the
low.
What
people
are
saying,
are
low
numbers
of
cars,
whether
that
was
explored.
H
H
C
So
I
can,
I
can
speak
to
this
at
a
high
level.
The
question
was
asked
last
time:
would
we
consider
removing
vehicle
traffic
from
this
roadway?
Since
the
adt
is
around?
You
know
1500,
which
is
pretty
low.
I
mean,
I
think,
there's
a
few
challenges
to
that.
I'm
just
pulling
up
a
map
right
now,
just
to
highlight
that
everyone
see
my
google
maps
up.
B
C
So
you
know,
I
would
say,
just
from
a
general
level:
it's
it's
a
bit
out
of
scope
in
terms
of
rerouting
vehicle
traffic.
If
we
do
close
this
to
motorists,
then
we're
forcing
detour
routing
on
to
pen
and
glenwood,
and
that
does
come
with
additional
costs
with
rerouting
that
vehicle
traffic
with
the
kind
of
reprogramming
those
spaces
rather
than
just
leaving
vehicle
traffic.
On
on
this
section
of
the
bridge,.
C
So
we
have
there's
stated
standards
that
give
us
some
rigidity.
My
understanding
is
from
the
stated
standards.
There
has
to
be
a
12
foot
width
and
we
have
flexibility
in
terms
of
how
we
paint
that
space,
and
so
we
had
recommended
actually
having.
Although
this
is
a
12
foot
lane,
there's,
there
would
actually
be
10
feet
of
driving
space
or
an
actual
10-foot
travel
lane.
H
B
Yeah
yeah
thanks
thanks
about
it
yeah.
As
far
as
though,
as
far
as
the
stripey
and
the
wayne
lanes,
I
mean
my
just
imagining
crossing
the
bridge.
You've
got
a
white
line
and
then
10
feet
away
from
the
white
line.
You've
got
a
a
yellow
line.
It
feels
like
those
are
good
cues
for
for
slowing,
but
it's
true
with
that
low
epiderm
vehicle
travel.
B
It
would
be
sort
of
interesting
to
see
what
the
state
aid,
maybe
their
state
guidelines
about.
Yes,
you
have
to
put
a
a
yellow
dashed
straight
line
so
that
that's
sort
of
one
observation,
just
the
other,
the
other
point
about
the
whole.
You
know
can
this
or
could
this
become
a
purely
biped
bridge?
I
you
know.
F
B
It
was,
it
was
more
sort
of
a
theoretical
question,
the
reasoning
being
you
could
do
you
know,
I
I
think
for
me
again.
It
just
came
down
to
the
money
part
could
could
there
be
significant
enough
savings
to
do
some
really
interesting
cool
things,
keeping
this
money
savings
within
this
district,
so
people
would
see
the
benefit
of
a
a
much
different,
higher
quality
bike
pit
facility,
but
it
sort
of
only
works
if
it's
like.
B
Oh
my
god,
you
know
we're
spending
millions
more
for
1500
cars
a
day,
and
I
guess
I
would
just
repeat
again
that
it
it
it
still.
I
think,
is
worth
asking.
The
question
you
know
is:
are
we
are
we
really
spending
several
more
million
dollars
to
put
1500
cars
and
could
a
couple
million
dollars
spend
in
this
neighborhood
to
do
some
kind
of
amazing,
interesting,
different
things
I
that
that
was
really
the
matthew?
B
B
C
I
mean
I,
I
did
chat
with
measure,
because
that
question
came
up
last
time.
I
think,
there's
you
know
marginal
cost
savings
in
terms
of
making
this
a
biped
only
bridge
and
those
cost
savings
I
would
imagine,
would
likely
be
lost
when
we
had
to
improve
other
roadway
facilities
to
accommodate
the
change
in
connectivity
through
this
area.
C
The
other
also
challenges
you
know
we're
just
reconstructing
this
one
bridge,
so
we're
talking
we're
talking
about,
I
think,
a
much
broader
vision
of
eliminating
a
road
to
vehicles
here
and
this
project
is
only
really
cutting
into
a
piece
of
that,
and
so
it's
a
little
challenging.
You
know
just
from
a
project
standpoint
for
this
project
to
to
be
that
catalyst
for
a
larger
effort
when
it's
it's
just
really
not
scoped.
That
way.
At
the
present
time,.
F
B
I
I
would
say,
as
the
as
the
dollar,
as
the
engineering
shows
up
the
cost.
I
I
think
it's
it's
not
something
to
forget,
but
I
I
I
hear
you
so
yeah.
No,
I
have
no.
C
C
Does
msa
allow
a
further
reduction
in
width
and,
if
not
a
reduction
in
width,
are
there
more
painting
improvements
we
can
do
to
slow
speeds,
you
know:
can
we
remove
the
dash
center
line?
Can
we
think
more
about
where
these
white
lines
are
at
and
just
overall?
How
can
we
minimize
from
a
design
standpoint
the
the
effect
of
what
that
motorists
have
in
this
area?
So
they
travel
slower,
is
kind
of
what
I'm
gathering
from
the
comments.
A
Thank
you.
I
see
matthew.
I
Hi
yeah
thanks
alexander
for
the
presentation,
and
I
think
the
question
that
I
raised
the
last
time
we
saw
this
is
still
on
the
table
as
far
as
what
is
that
delta
and
what
the
cost
delta
and
what
would
a
design
look
like
for
this
bridge,
and
I
I
hear
you
saying
that
in
order
to
accommodate
the
500
trips
on
the
other
routes,
they
might
take
glenwood
and
penn,
and
the
van
wyk
memorial
bridge
there
need
to
be
a
lot
of
reworking
of
those
those
streets
which
are
already
designed
to
accommodate
significant
volumes.
I
I
Is
the
city
planning
to
spend
millions
of
dollars
on
pen
and
glenwood
during
the
construction
phase?
So
that's
kind
of
one
line
of
questions
and
then
the
other
question
is:
what's
what
design
are
you
looking
at
when
you
say
that
a
ped
bike,
an
emergency
vehicle
bridge
in
this
location,
would
not
cost
that
much
less
than
a
a
bridge?
I
That's
clearly,
you
know
much
wider
than
it
would
need
to
be
if
it
were
just
for
you
know
not
having
motor
vehicles,
so
it'd
be
helpful
to
see
a
little
more
detail
on
that
analysis
to
to
better
understand
the
comparison
between
those
two
and
then
the
only
other
comment
I
would
have
is,
I
think,
from
your
statement
about
scope.
I
An
active
use
bridge
would
require
a
much
larger
project,
but
I'm
not
sure
that
it
would,
because
some
of
the
road
nearby,
like
some
of
cedar
cedar
lake
road
nearby,
would
still
need
to
be
there
for
local
access,
and
so
it's
really
about
changing
the
nature
of
cedar
lake
road
in
terms
of
the
amount
of
through
traffic,
but
not
necessarily
rebuilding
it
or
increasing
the
scope
of
the
project.
In
that
sense,
so
so
I'd
say
I,
I
would
still
like
to
see
more
detail
on
the
analysis
of
the
options.
C
Am
I
guess,
I'm
struggling
a
little
bit
because
I
think
the
cost
savings
are
really
negligible.
The
I
think
the
impetus
is.
It
seems
like
there's
a
desire
to
change
this.
The
nature
of
what
this
bridge
is
fundamentally
right,
because
I
would
imagine
the
cost
savings
are
like
pretty
irrelevant
between
having
it
a
bike,
pet
and
car.
Only
you
know
I
can
have
measure
briefly
comment
about
what
the
general
costs
are
and
we
can
provide
further
analysis
on
cost
savings.
But
let's
just
throw
cost
savings
aside.
C
You
all
are
not
you
all,
but
some
of
you
are
advocating
for
changing
just
the
functional
usage
of
this
bridge,
and
if
we
do
change
the
functional
usage
of
this
bridge,
then
we
have
to
rethink.
How
do
we
provide
car
access
and
that's
why
I
start
to
get
worried
about
scope
and
what
this
is,
because
that
was
never
the
scope
of
this
project.
C
A
Okay,
tyler.
J
Hey,
hey
alexander,
so
are
you
able
to
go
back
to
that
cross
section
just
for
a
moment.
J
I
guess
my
question
is
about
the
the
height
of
the
the
the
fencing
or
the
railing
on
the
outsides.
Is
there
a?
Is
there
a
specific
reason?
It's
that
high?
I
I
asked
that
just
because
the
way
it
is
right
now
it
really
kind
of
pushes
people
walking
and
cycling
across
the
bridge.
J
It
pushes
their
interaction
more
with
cars
and
I'm
wondering
if,
if
that
barrier
could
actually
be
between
the
cars
and
the
and
the
pedestrians
and
the
cyclists,
rather
than
the
cyclists
and
the
the
edge
of
the
bridge,
I'm
I'm
assuming
there's
some
sort
of
safety
consideration
there.
But
can
you
just
talk
about
that
that
railing
and
the
height
of
it.
C
Yeah
and
I'll
I'll
punt
to
mesoret
on
this,
because
we
are
chatting
a
bit
about
kind
of
the
the
heights
and
we
have
a
few
precedent
examples
that
we
can
share.
But
measure
do
you
want
to
just
talk
through
the
kind
of
the
heights?
You
know
what
flexibility
we
may
have
with
those
with
the
rail
lines
and
just
a
little
more
context
around
that.
G
Yes,
thanks
alexander,
I
I
think
it's
a
good
point,
because
the
railing
height
came
up
with
the
awareness
of
some
kind
of
guideline
and
requirements
that
they
put
on
us.
One
of
one
of
them
is
about
10.
It
has
to
be
about
10
feet
high
so
which
is
including
the
concrete
railing
which
is
about
two
four
and
the
difference
will
be
ornamental
railing
type
above
the
concrete
railing,
so
that
that
is
how
right
now
we're
showing
it
to
be
about
10
foot.
G
High
total
is
based
on
the
venus
of
requirement
or
guidelines,
but
we've
done
different
ones,
but
they
still
would
like
us
to
have
really
narrow
in
between,
especially
when
we're
crossing
a
rail
track.
So
that's
how
we
we
came
on
this
railing
height,
so
that's
based
on
the
bnsf.
G
Just
10
foot
high.
C
And
there's
you
know,
there's
a
few
examples.
I
just
want
to
share
with
the
group
of
other
examples,
so
this
is
over
saint
anthony
parkway
in
northeast
minneapolis.
C
So
this
is
a
design,
that's
potential
that
we
could
consider.
You
know
obviously
their
biped
treatments
a
little
bit
different,
but
this
is
a
really
an
example.
This
is
on
cedar
lake
road.
That's
actually
really
close.
Er
on
the
grand
rounds
really
close
by
you
know.
Obviously
the
sidewalk
treatment
will
be
different,
but
just
to
give
folks
a
few
illustrative
examples
of
other
treatments,
we've
done
over
active
braille
lines
that
we're
exploring
as
well.
K
Hi
alex,
I
have
a
couple
questions
I
I
do
feel
like.
I
fall
in
the
group.
That
would
rather
see
this
as
a
bike
pad
only
connection,
and
so
I
guess
to
add
additional,
maybe
framing
around
that.
So
when
this
bridge
is
reconstructed,
what
is
the
anticipated
life
expectancy
of
it
and
like
when
would
potentially
the
next
time
this
be
redesigned
like
if
we
rebuild
the
bridge
now
that
it
could
change
after
it's
built
right
like
space
could
always
be
reallocated
but,
like
I,
I
guess
I
just
want
to
understand.
K
Like
are
we
locking
ourselves
into
basically
auto
oriented
bridge
for
the
next
60
years
or
or
you
know,
is
that
something
that
could
change.
G
Well,
typically,
bridges
are
designed
between
52
sometimes
goes
to
75
years,
so
the
60
averages
correct,
I
would
say
so
jim-
is
that
the
life
expectancy
with
designing
this
bridge
jim
is
our
designer
too.
So.
B
And
remind
me
about
the
other
portion:
this
is
they're.
Basically,
two
bridges
do
I
recall
correctly
and
what's
the
expected
life
remaining
on
the
other
piece
and
when
and
does
that
have
a
scheduled
replacement.
L
G
That
is
not
going
to
be
expected
to
be
replaced
anytime
soon,
but
there
might
be
some
repair
work
that
will
be
done,
which
is
not
going
to
be
extensively
high,
but
we
don't
have
the
schedule
timeline,
but
that's
not
going
to
be
in
the
really
in
the
next.
I
don't
say
in
the
next
10
years.
L
Alexander,
I
have
one
follow-up
point
on
that
this
is
jim
belfaire
from
tkda.
Could
you
go
back
to
your
kind
of
the
typical
section
of
the
bridge
deck
that
two
foot
raised
median
the
proposed?
Thank
you
that
two
foot
raised
median
is
going
to
be
a
secondary
pour
across
the
bridge
deck.
So
if,
in
the
future
that
would
want
or
need
to
be
removed,
it
could
be
taken
off
and
the
surface
patched
or
the
full
bridge
deck,
then
the
full
width
could
have
a
mill
and
overlay
placed
on
it.
A
A
All
right,
I
see
dan
miller.
M
Yes,
hi
a
couple
questions:
you
said
that
there's
some
variety
here
and
some
oh
massaging
of
this
railing
to
make
it
look
more
more
friendly,
and
I
appreciate
that
what
I'm
coming
up
with
on
google
is
that
there
is
no
lighting
between
morgan
avenue
and
chestnut.
M
So
there's,
I
think,
no
lighting
between
those
two
bridges
that
whole
length-
and
since
this
is
something
that's
new,
maybe
it's
worthwhile
to
make
this
more
pedestrian
friendly
at
night
to
think
about
some
lighting
accents
here.
M
The
other
thought,
along
with
the
two
foot
I
know
the
median
is,
is
narrow
and
everything,
but
is
there
something
that
can
be
done
to
again
make
this
a
little
less
of
less
utilitarian?
Is
there
for
lack
of
a
better
thing,
a
planter
or
something
that
kind
of
makes
this
a
little
more
of
a
landmark
bridge
rather
than
utility
thanks.
C
G
I
I
I
think
we
did
originally.
We
have
thought
about
having
to
have
lights,
we
haven't
determined
the
locations
of
the
lights,
but,
yes,
we
do
have
a
plan
to
have
lights
on
also,
but
on
the
planter
type.
It's
really
good,
but
we
usually
really
very
challenging
to
have
any
kind
of
planting
on
bridge
because
any
water
going
through
the
bridge
or
any
kind
of
that
will
just
be
a
challenging
on
bridge.
M
Perhaps
it's
some
kind
of
upright
structure
rather
than
having
the
sign
or
the
the
bollard
treatment.
There
is
there's
something
that's
softer
that
could
be
elevated
at
least
partially.
That
makes
it
a
little
bit
more
of
a
landmark,
and
likewise
the
lighting
in
there
right
now
is
basically
task
lighting
that
is
hitting
the
intersections
on
morgan
and
the
other
street,
and
if
there
could
be
something
of
a
decorative
element
like
the
bridge
that
was
shown
nearby,
the
parkway
bridge.
I
think
that
would
be
helpful.
B
B
Simply
colored
concrete
for
the
median
I
mean
because
it's
true,
I
did
see
this
sort
of
mass
and
it's
like,
oh,
how
about
a
little
more
visual,
so
maybe
at
the
very
least,
some
color
in
the
concrete
or
stamping
color,
stamping
something
elevated.
Something
like
that.
A
C
C
That
is,
you
know
artistic
is,
I
don't
know
if
it
fully
qualifies
artistic,
but
I'd
say
it's
more
artistic
than
the
typical
railing
screening
treatments
that
we
see,
and
we
would,
you
know,
probably
be
able
to
put
that
in
it's
like
this,
basically
about
black,
but
this
one
was
designed
in
green.
I
forget
the
history
behind
it,
but
this
is
a
kind
of
unique
treatment,
but
this
is
kind
of
a
nice
weave
to
it.
A
Yeah,
I
kind
of
like
that
that
better,
let's
see
matthew,
hendricks.
I
All
right,
thank
you,
yeah.
I
was
just
hearing
some
of
the
conversation
I
was
gonna
suggest,
and
I
can't
remember
if
we
went
into
this
level
of
detail
in
our
prior
motion,
but
was
going
to
suggest
that
the
city
explore
a
temporary
pilot
using
you,
know,
j
barriers
or
easy
to
change
materials,
to
try
closing
the
bridge
to
motorize
traffic
for
a
short
period
of
time
and
then
get
feedback
from
from
immediate
neighbors.
I
Because
most
of
us
on
this
call
or
in
this
meeting,
don't
live
in
the
immediate
area.
And
so
you
know
it's
somewhat
hypothetical
to
predict
what
the
neighborhood
would
value
as
far
as
the
bridge
and
because
it
is
a
significant
expense.
It
seems
like
the
step
of
that
kind
of
engagement
around.
What
the
bridge
could
be
is
a
reasonable
thing
to
do,
especially
given.
H
This
is
janice
matthew,
maybe
in
our
motion
last
time
did
we
ask
for
an
option
and
that
to
be
one
of
the
options
when
they
present
ideas
to
the
the
residents
that
they
at
least
suggest
an
option
that
did
not
include
cars
as
a
way
to
find
out
what
they
think
did
we
that
somehow
sounds
familiar
to
me
like
we
might
have
done
that
already.
I
C
So
so,
just
so
folks
are
aware,
we
have
an
open
house
on
october
26th.
The
proposal
that
you
just
mentioned
matthew
is
quite
out
of
scope
for
how
we're
approaching
that
open
house.
C
If
we
do
move
forward
with
that,
I
think
we'll
likely
reschedule
to
accommodate
that
change
in
direction,
and
so
it's
not
just
as
simple
as
you
know.
Let's
try
this
out,
not
not
trying
to
contradict
you,
but
just
letting
you
know
that
we
would
need
to
really
rethink
how
we're
approaching
this
project
and
engagement
and
scoping-
and
I
just
I
just
wanted
this
group
to
be
aware
of
the
things
that
we
have
in
place
since
they've,
already
kind
of
started
in
motion
and-
and
this
recommendation
is
changing.
That
course
of
direction.
C
A
J
Yeah,
I
I
think
mezrit
had
mentioned
that
this
was
a
state
aid
route.
If
it
is,
it
is
a
state
rate
route,
I
guess,
does
there?
Is
there
any
stipulations
that
says
he
can't
take
cars
off
this
because
it
is
I'm
just
wondering
you
know
how
that
that
designation
might
might
affect
what
we're
even
thinking
about
or
proposing
here.
G
Yeah,
I
think
it
does,
because
if
you
have
to
take
out
from
the
system
there
is
a
process
and
procedure
to
actually
to
get
it
back
to
either
could
be
somewhere
else
and
so
forth.
Yeah,
I
I
don't
know
the
specifics,
but
there
is
a
process
for
that,
but
it's
not
a
simple
process
so
to
take
out
of
off
system
of
the
state
aid.
J
And
then
my
my
second
question,
real
quick
is,
you
know,
say,
say:
cars
were
not
going
to
be
on
the
bridge
anymore.
Would
you
actually
need
to
replace
it
at
that
time?
Is
there
a
requirement
to
replace
the
bridge
because
of
cars
or
if
there's
no
cars
on
it,
do
you
even
need
to
replace
it.
A
J
No,
that
was
more
of
a
a
question,
but
it's,
I
guess
it's
sort
of
hypothetical.
So
if
we
were
going
to
not
allow
cars
on
the
bridge
anymore,
would
we
actually
need
to
replace
that
bridge
so
going
forward?
J
G
I
I
think
one
thing
that
I
can
say
is
any
structure:
that's
sitting
even
without
a
use
has
to
be
inspected
and
kept
safe.
So
even
if
it
has
to
be
somehow
be
repaired
or
or
do
it,
you
got
to
do
something
just
to
keep
it
safe,
so
there
is
still
be
some
cost
to
it.
We
just
don't
close
it
and
leave
it,
but
still
be
inspected
and
make
sure
that
it's
safe.
A
B
Sure,
well,
it
sounds
like
what
matthew's
motion
was
suggesting.
Is
that
yeah
and
at
this
at
this
point,
clearly
need
to
move
ahead?
It
feels
like,
with
this
october,
open
house,
but
you
know
it
sounds
like
the
motion
is
that
would
come
before
the
full
base
c
would
be.
Does
the
bac
feel
like
a
closing
as
a
pilot
to
sort
of
demonstrably
sort
of
gauge
neighborhood
feelings
about?
B
Could
this
work
without
cars?
I
it's
something
worth
yeah.
I
think
it's
it's
something
worth
discussing
because
who
knows?
Maybe
people
would
say:
oh
what
an
idea
close.
It
never
thought
about
it.
Wouldn't
that
be
nicer!
Oh,
you
must
be
kidding
me.
It's
like
you
know
we
live
here.
We
want
this.
You
know
this
is
gonna,
be
a
nice
bridge.
We
like
the
work,
that's
been
done
so
far
10
and
we
wanted
to
go.
I
mean
it
would.
B
A
closure
would
would
certainly
and
then
a
community
meeting
would
certainly
gauge
get
some
real-time
feedback.
So
that's
my
comment.
A
M
Hello
yeah.
I
know
this
is
somewhat
of
a
step
different
than
what
is
proposed
at
ten
percent
here,
but
it's
maybe
a
good
time,
alexander
and
mesuret
to
think
about
this
a
little
bit
and
think
about
the
neighborhood
greenway
program,
which
in
effect
this
well,
why
it's?
While
it's
being
short,
it's
it's
really
reconnecting
bassett
creek
to
you,
know
the
other
park.
M
There
burn
moth
and
and
if
one
would
approach
it
that
way
to
be
able
to
make
this
a
green
thing
that
might
be
a
really
nice
trade-off
that
the
community
would
it'd
be
a
little
more
palatable
to
them
than
rather
than
just
you
know,
a
street
closure
for
bicycles.
Thank
you.
A
Anyone
else,
oh
his
hand,
is
gone.
So
what
I'm
getting
from
this
and
I'll
need
help
is
that
we
are
going
to
maybe
recommend
to
the
full
bac
that,
as
phil
was
playing
as
a
pilot
kind
of
pilot
at
first
with
no
cars
to
see
what
the
neighborhood
thinks
about
it
and
matthew
is
going
to
do.
The
write-up
is
that
right.
I
I
think
I
send
it
to
you
and
to
a
couple
of
the
admin,
folks
or
folks
kind
of
in
leadership,
and
then
it
gets
sent
out
with
and
dan
and
gets
sent
out
with
the
other
resolutions.
From
this
meeting
as
a
package.
I
Yes,
thank
you.
I
just
wanted
to
say
too.
I
I
hear
in
alexander's
comments
that
there
is
some
process
underway
and
that
some
of
what
we're
asking
for-
maybe
doesn't
you
know,
match
neatly
with
that
process,
and
so
I
want
to
acknowledge
that
and
say
you
know,
I'm
not
deaf
to
that.
I
hear
it,
but
I
also
think
there
are
some
really
valuable
precedents
in
minneapolis,
where
the
city
has
been
very
visionary
about
how
to
use
space
that
used
to
be
for
cars.
I
This
is
going
back
a
little
further,
but
when
light
rail
was
built
for
the
green
line,
a
lot
of
traffic
was
removed.
You
know
all
general
traffic
was
removed
from
the
washington
avenue
bridge
at
the
u
of
m
campus,
and
that
was
an
order
of
magnitude
more
traffic
than
this
bridge
has.
So
there
are
other
situations
where
the
city
has
prioritized
something
else
and
taken
traffic
off
of
a
bridge,
and
it's,
I
think,
generally
worked
out
positively.
So
I
just
want
to
be
clear.
I
A
C
C
I
need
to
shut
off
my
top
pilot
idea
and
gain
some
sense
of
what
that
really
means,
because
it's
it's
quite
a
transition
from
what
I
was
you
know
moving
forward
with,
so
I
yeah
I'll
follow
back
up
with
you
all
once
I
figured
that
out
to
be
honest,.
A
Well,
thank
you
and
thank
you
for
even
you
know
considering
being
willing
to
work
on
it
and
kind
of
change
it.
I
think
it's
important
that
the
neighborhood
has
some
some
fake
in
it.
You
know
kind
of
feel
they
will
embrace
it
better
if
they
get
a
little
bit
better
chance
to
maybe
even
see
what
it
looks
like
before
you
know
it
becomes
the
way
you
want
it
anyway.
Thank
you
for
the
presentation
that
was
excellent
and
if
there's
no
one
else
that
needs
to
speak,
we're
going
to
move
on
to
our
next
one.
A
J
A
A
J
That's
okay,
yeah!
That's
that's
one
of
those
things
that
is
just
unfortunate
and
chris
might
be
able
to
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
it,
but
yeah.
It
was
my
sister
sent
me
the
tweet
notifications,
and
I
was
like
oh
my
gosh.
Of
course
you
know
the
most
perfectly
straight
trail.
J
There
ever
was
is,
is
victor
memorial
drive
and
you
know,
of
course
the
the
white
line
is
all
wiggly,
but
to
talk
about
some
more
fun
stuff,
things
that
we
have
not
done
very
well
at
the
park
system
is,
is
maintaining
our
trails
that
we
put
in,
and
I've
got
chris
derose
he's
in
our
asset
management
division
department
and
he's
done
some
really
really
great
work
over
the
last
year,
or
so
on.
J
Inventorying
trails
and
cataloging
them
and
providing
information
and
and
and
condition
on
on,
the
trails
and
I'm
just
gonna,
throw
it
over
to
him
and
he'll
talk
a
little
bit
about
that
work
and
some
of
the
work
that
you
all
will
be
seeing
in
the
near
future.
N
Awesome,
thank
you
tyler
and
thank
you
everybody
for
having
me
miss
tyler
said
my
name
is
chris
derosh
official
title
with
the
park
board
is
project
and
systems
manager,
so
I
am
new
to
the
park
board
as
in
officially
as
an
employee.
Two
months
ago,
I've
been
working
in
a
in
a
consultant
capacity
for,
as
tyler
mentioned
a
little
bit
longer
on
some
of
this
stuff,
but
now
officially
at
the
park
board
over
the
last
about
two
months.
N
So
I
am
going
to
share
my
screen
quickly
and
I
am,
and
I'm
excited
to
talk,
trail
striping
with
everybody.
Let
me
maybe
we'll
wait
till
the
end,
and
we
can
answer
some
questions
about
that.
So
this
is
a
kind
of
an
adapted
presentation
or
an
updated
presentation
based
on
one
we
gave.
N
I
gave
to
the
board
and
one
of
the
things
and
it's
a
part
of
a
broader
program
that
we're
looking
at
at
the
park
board
and
specifically
in
asset
management
around
life
cycle
management,
as
tyler
mentioned.
One
of
the
things
that
you
know
that
we
haven't
done
great
at
the
park
board
over
the
years
is
really
managing
assets.
N
In
terms
of
of
their
lifespan,
what
are
kind
of
these
incremental
things
that
needs
to
happen
to
assets
normally
at
a
regular
interval
to
keep
them,
keep
their
condition
up,
make
them
last
longer
and
keep
the
experience
of
using
them
up
still
a
positive
experience.
So
one
of
those
assets,
that's
actually
very
particular
to
those
things
is,
is
is
trails
and
specifically
our
regional
trails.
N
So
that's
what
I'm
going
to
talk
about
here
today,
mostly
is
about
the
regional
trail
program,
but
understand
that
this
fits
kind
of
in
our
broader
lifecycle
management
program
that
I'm
going
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
as
well,
so
we're
going
to
get
a
little
bit
of
theory
on
the
front
end
and
then
talking
bro
more
about
the
program
and
then
showing
some
stuff
that
we've
done
this
year
so
far.
N
So
what
I
always
start
with
this
side-
or
this
this
slide
with
this
presentation,
because
I
think
it's
really
really
important-
that
we
are
maintaining
our
facilities,
maintaining
our
assets
to
achieve
really
the
park
board's
mission
of
you
know,
as
you
can
read
there,
so,
due
to
the
depreciation
of
these
assets
and
facilities
over
time,
we
really
aren't
living
up
to
that
right.
The
level
and
safety
and
service
and
safety
you
know,
cannot
be
achieved
via
asset
without
intervention
without
actually
doing
something
to
it.
N
So
how
do
you
make
that
happen?
It's
really
the
development
of
a
life
cycle
program,
so
a
strategic
plan
for
how
an
asset
has
contained
during
its
lifespan.
The
park
board
does
a
really
good
job
at
capital
projects,
building
things
right,
building
new
trails,
building
new
courts,
building
new
playgrounds
or
really
replacing
them,
but
where
we've
fallen
down
a
little
bit
in
the
past,
at
least
from
my
perspective,
has
been
in
kind
of
those
intermediate
maintenance
steps
that
happen.
What
are
the
things
that
needs
to
happen?
N
You
know
in
between
from
when
you
put
it
in
until
the
end
of
its
life,
so
you're
seeing
some
kind
of
pictures
down
here.
I
think
you
can
see
my
cursor
but
of
of
some
of
kind
of
our
trails
or
our
court
systems
that
we're
also
working
on
now.
So
what
we're
trying
to
do
with
a
lifecycle
program
is
really
accomplish
a
more
deliberate
and
equitable
treatment
of
assets
say
we
have
them
all
inventory.
N
Do
we
know
their
condition,
and
this
is
how
we're
attacking
them
that
it's
a
standard
level
of
service
across
the
system?
You
don't
go
from
a
trail
say,
like
mini,
that's,
maybe
in
very
very
rough
shape
to
a
brand
new
trail
to
maybe
a
trail.
That's
in
rough
shape,
kind
of
leveling
out
that
level
of
service
across
the
system
coming
up
with
a
more
predictable
yearly
expense,
so
understanding
what
it
actually
costs
to
maintain
and
keep
these
assets
in
place,
extending
the
lifespan.
N
By
doing
some
of
these
interventions,
and
then
it's
really
a
transparent
plan.
One
of
the
things
that
I've
really
heard
from
both
staff
and
commissioners
and
and
other
management
at
the
park
board
is,
is
there
hasn't
been
as
much
of
an
answer
on
hey.
When
is
this?
You
know:
how
are
we
going
to
improve
this
trail?
We
know
maybe,
when
roughly
it
might
be
replaced,
but
we
really
don't
know
kind
of
now
with
this
kind
of
life
cycle
program,
we're
able
to
share
yep.
N
It's
it's
coming
up
for
this
intervention
in
say
two
years
or
three
years
or
five
years
or
seven
years,
and-
and
this
is
this-
is
the
plan
for
that.
So
how
did
we
come
about
developing
this?
I'm
probably
going
to
jump
through
this
quickly,
but
I
am
more
than
well
more
than
willing
to
go
back
and
actually
kind
of
share
a
lot
of
the
details
of
this
as
tyler
mentioned
kind
of
in
the
introduction.
One
thing
that
I
felt
was
really
really
important
to
do
was
to
collect
a
very
detailed
inventory.
N
So
what
you're,
seeing
in
the
first
picture
is
actually
how
we
decided
to
go
about
doing
this
using
using
a
gopro
and
some
meshing
with
gis,
and
we
took
a
I
went
around
and
took
a
picture
of
every
single
regional
trail
every
five
seconds.
This
actually
allowed
us
to
collect
images
of
the
trail.
So
we
know,
what's
there
see
cracks,
see
different
conditions
of
the
trails
so
that
we
are
actually
able
to
figure
out.
You
know
what
are
the
interventions
that
need
to
happen
to
those
trails
where
they
better
worse
shape.
N
What
you're,
seeing
in
the
second
image
on
the
top,
is
actually
every
single
image
right
that
was
taken
along
these
trails.
What
we
did,
then,
was
understanding
that
trails
vary
in
their
in
their
condition
pretty
frequently,
so
we
segmentized
all
of
the
regional
trail
system
on
the
grand
rounds,
regional
trail
system
and
that's
what
you're
seeing
here.
N
We
did
those
segmentations
based
on
both
conditions
and
then
kind
of
some
natural
breaks
so
say
a
new
trail
went
in
the
condition,
obviously
would
change
between
the
new
trail
and
then
the
old
trail
that
created
a
break,
but
also
things
like
streets
or
other
intersecting
trails.
And
then
we
went
through
a
kind
of
a
detailed
scoring
system
to
kind
of
give
each
one
of
those
trail
segments
a
condition
and
that's
what
you're
seeing
as
this
last
step.
N
So
what
that
ended
up
what
we
got
out
of
all
of
that
was
a
life
cycle
model,
every
single
segment
of
every
single
regional
trail.
Both
we've
done
the
majority
or
we've
done
all
of
the
bike,
trail
segments
and
then
the
majority
of
the
pedestrian
trail
segments
with
how
long
they
are
how
many
square
feet
they
are
and
then
what
their
condition
is
and
then
what
we're
able
to
do
with
that,
then,
is
start
saying:
okay,
here
are
the
interventions
and
here's
how
it
slides
into
lifecycle
model.
N
Here's
where
we
know
stuff
needs
to
be
when
things
need
to
be
replaced.
Here's
where
maybe
when
they
need
to
get
seal
coats
or
crack
seals
or
different
interventions,
and
then
from
that
are
actually
able
to
budget
to
say.
Okay,
we
actually
know
how
much
money.
Now
we
need
to
maintain
our
trails
to
this
specific
level
of
service
that
we
want
to
provide.
N
So
what
went
into
the
kind
of
the
trail
program
inputs?
What
decided
what
life
cycle
interventions
we
were
going
to
do
and
how
frequent
they
were
going
to
be?
I'm
not
going
to
go
through
each
one
of
these,
but
you'll
see
it
was
a
lot
of
things.
Everything
from
you
know
current
best
practices
in
terms
of
trails
to
a
lot
of
our
guiding
documents
around
the
comp
plan,
racial
equity
action
plan
and
then
also
bringing
in
some
of
our
2020
equity
matrix,
which
our
planning
department
uses.
N
So
this
was
this
was
this
process
and
all
of
these
inputs
came
up
to
a
what
I'm
going
to
really
call
a
draft
or
a
pilot
life
cycle
program.
So
looking
at
trails
in
terms
of
their
life
cycle,
we
set
a
based
on
all
of
those
things,
a
30-year
lifespan.
So
that's
from
a
new
trail
goes
in
tomorrow
we
would
inspect.
We
would
expect
that
that
trail
would
be
replaced
in
30
years.
N
Maybe
I
can't
speak
for
maybe
tyler
have
better
answers,
but
maybe
in
the
last
10
years,
15
years
I
I
know
there
was
some
stuff
that
had
happened
in
the
past
and
so
coming
up
with
some
of
those
best
practices
to
actually
do
that
crack
ceiling
and
that
serial
coding
and
then
also
you
know,
one
of
the
things
that
we
do
do
is
kind
of
patch
and
repair
trail
segments
as
they
come
up,
but
this
would
actually
put
those
interventions
on
a
on
a
life
cycle
on
a
schedule,
knowing
that
we
need
to
be
looking
at
these
going
out
and
actively
patching
repairing
fixing
segments
about
every
10
years
and
then
a
replacement
every
30
years.
N
So
one
of
the
interesting
things
and
this
kind
of
got
to
a
different
point
in
the
pre
or
a
different
point
in
the
presentation,
but
the
system
status
we
have
about
sixty
percent
of
our
trails
score
three
out
of
five,
only
one
percent
score
of
one
out
of
five,
so
one
out
of
five
being
the
worst.
N
So
how
does
what
is
kind
of
our
current
inventory?
Look
right
like
right
now
we
have
about
this.
Is
this
is
speaking
just
to
the
grand
rounds
just
to
be
kind
of
like
clear
about
this,
our
regional
trails,
the
grand
rounds
around
minneapolis
and
both
the
bike
and
pedestrian
trails.
So
they're
about
97
miles
of
these
trails,
you
can
see
the
square
footage
and
the
lineal
feet
with
a
life
cycle
of
about
30
years.
N
So
what
you're
seeing
here
is
how
that
program
that
I
just
laid
out
that
seven
eight
year
for
sealcoating
crack
ceiling
that
ten
year
for
patch
to
replace
and
that
thirty
year
for
full
depth
replacement
works
out
into
a
total
cost.
So
these
are
costs
per
year,
so
our
seal
coating
and
crack
seal
program
should
be
about
five
hundred
thousand
dollars
per
year.
N
So
how
does
that
look
compared
to
what
we're
doing
now?
What
you're,
seeing
on
the
left
kind
of
highlighted
in
blue
is
our
model
program
that
1.6
million
dollars
in
total
costs.
What
are
we
doing
for
our
current
budget
we're
doing
or
what?
What
does
our
current
budget
actually
allow?
We
have
set
aside
about
500
000
for
regional
trails,
understanding
that
that
some
of
that
goes
to
bike
pet
trails.
N
Some
of
that
goes
different
places
right
now
and
there's
also
additional
capital
dollars
that
are
spent
on
regional
trails
and
I'll
talk
about
that
in
a
second,
but
under
our
current
budgeting.
What
what
would
be
what
we'd
be
able
to
do
would
be
about
a
12-year
sealcoat
crack
seal
program
and
then
using
kind
of
one-time
funding
emergency
repair
to
do
that
patch
and
repair
and
the
full
depth
replacements,
as
I
mentioned
in
this
tyler's
here,
as
tyler,
has
worked
on
some
of
these
projects.
N
What
this
doesn't
account
for
are
dollars
that
would
be
spent
as
a
part
of
the
our
capital
program.
I
think
that's
important
to
note,
because
there
are
a
lot
of
dollars
that
are
spent
there.
One
of
the
things
that
I
think
may
be
able
to
say
I
am
advocating
for
is
that
we
really
build
that
capital
program
into
the
life
cycle
program
and
so
that
we're
actually
able
to
kind
of
pull
those
two
pieces
together.
N
So
we
know
we're
spending
more
than
five
hundred
thousand
dollars
a
year
on
trails,
but
as
a
part
of
our
current
life
cycle
program.
That's
about
what
we're
spending
right
now.
So
how
does
that
compare
of
our
model
budget?
Ideally
what
we
would
like
to
do
as
a
park
board
on
our
on
our
regional
trails
versus
what
we
currently
have?
You
know
we're
about
a
million
short
a
million
a
million
one
short.
N
So
we
looked
at
all
that
and
said
we
know
we
got
to
start
somewhere.
We
know
we
have
to.
We
know
that
we
have
a
lot
of
this
infrastructure
out
there.
That
needs
to
be
that
needs
to
be
repaired.
That
needs
to
be
some
of
it
needs
to
be
replaced,
and
there
are
a
lot
of
interventions
that
could
happen.
N
Where
do
we
start
so
what
we
decided
to
do
this
year,
based
on
a
lot
of
different
factors
that
I
can
go
into,
is
to
run
a
is
to
do
both
the
majority
of
the
program
to
do
a
seal,
coat
and
striping
program
and
then
to
do
some
of
these
other
smaller
pilot
projects
around
repairs.
So
what
you're,
seeing
on
the
map
on
the
right
is
a
is
a
map
of
all
the
locations
that
we
worked,
it's
about
a
little
under
eight
miles
of
trails.
N
The
majority
of
this
is
this
is
what
I
call
the
columbia
golf
course
segment.
It's
a
segment
up
in
northeast
that
runs
next
to
columbia.
Golf
course:
victor
memorial
trail,
the
west
side
of
cedar,
the
west
side
of
lake
of
the
isles,
the
west
side
of
bani
makaska
and
then
the
east
side
of
nokomis.
N
These
segments
were
chosen
for
this
sealcoat
program,
based
on
their
current
condition,
in
that
they
were
fairly
good
candidates
for
a
sealcoat,
which
means
they
are
a
three
slash
of
four.
They
are
in
fairly
good
shape.
There's
not
many
major
issues
with
them
that
doesn't
mean
that
they,
the
experience,
is
great
in
riding
them.
It
probably
means
there
are
some
cracks,
but
that
the
surface
itself
is
fairly
held
together.
N
We
did
get
a
bid
on
that
project,
the
bid
award.
You
know
we
were
a
little
bit
under
400
000
and
the
work
has
been
completed
from
september
20th
till
still
right
now.
So
a
key
thing
to
know
about
this
is
this
is
about
93
of
what
we
needed
to
do
to
kind
of
fulfill
that
life
cycle
schedule,
but
we
are
not
doing
any
full
depth
replacement
of
trails
this
year.
N
So
here
are
kind
of
some
quick
pictures
of
what
we
did.
I
can
talk
a
little
bit
more
technical
side
or
send
over
specifications
on
the
sealcoating
that
we
did
do.
We
went
with
a
seal
code
specification
that
is
kind
of
a
two-step
process.
It
is
a
what
we'd
call
a
squeegee
done
layer,
the
first
layer
which
is
a
seal
coat.
Some
people
call
it
a
slurry
seal.
N
Some
people
call
it
a
micro
surface,
but
it's
a
a
little
bit
thicker
of
a
seal
coat
to
fill
in
some
of
those
gaps
possibly
fill
in
some
of
the
either
very
small
cracks
that
are
in
the
surface,
but
it
has
a
little
bit
of
aggregate
to
it.
That
was,
and
then
the
second
is
a
the
second
step
in
that
process
is
a
spray-on
coat,
so
here's
some
images.
N
I
tried
to
take
a
good
picture
to
show
that
there
is
kind
of
some
some
depth
to
that
seal
coat,
and
this
is
the
process
of
it
going
on
right
now
and
then
two
of
those
things,
two
of
the
other
things
that
we
did
this
year
were
kind
of
try
out
some
different
interventions.
N
We
know
that
there
are
a
lot
of
trails
that
are
in
actually
fairly
decent
shape,
but
have
some
of
these
dangerous
conditions,
especially
along
longitudinal,
correct,
like
cracks
that
run
longitudinal
to
the
trail
itself
right,
they
could
grab
a
bike
tire
and
maybe
are
a
little
bit
thicker
of
a
crack.
So
what
we?
What
we
did
was
test
out
kind
of
two
separate
interventions
that
could
possibly
fix,
or
at
least
be
patches
to
to
those
those
sorts
of
conditions.
One
is
a
mastic.
N
This
is
what
you're
seeing
here
an
interesting.
This
is
also
what
was
used
recently
on
the
midtown
greenway
project
at
a
couple
of
places.
So
I
think
there's
be
some
good
learnings
from
that.
This
is
a
pro.
This
is
what
it
looks
like
when
it
goes
on
before
the
seal
coat
and
then
after
the
seal
coat.
It's
not
a
it's,
not
beautiful,
it's
not,
but
it
definitely.
N
What
these
looked
like
before
were
some,
maybe
even
up
to
an
inch
wide
cracks
here
on
the
west
side
of
sorry,
the
east
side
of
nokomis
that
were
some
fairly
dangerous
conditions.
N
There's
been
a
lot
of
questions
as
we've
done
this
project
and
I'll
go
into
this
a
little
bit
more
as
to
why
we
aren't
fixing
these
cracks
in
some
other
spaces
with
the
sealcoat,
and
I
think
the
intention
going
forward
is
going
to
be
to
do
that,
but
in
this
pilot
year
we're
trying
to
really
figure
out
what
are
the
best
interventions
for
specific.
You
know
kind
of
trail
failures
and
then,
where
would
we
use
them
and
then,
in
future
years,
going
forward,
implement
those
improvements
or
implement
those?
N
The
like
things
like
mastic
and
and
some
other
interventions
and
then
doing
the
seal
coating
later
so
what
you're
seeing
here
is
a
second
a
second
process.
We
tried
this
is
called
infrared
patching,
I'm
not
sure
if
you're
familiar
with
it,
but
essentially
heating
up
asphalt,
putting
down
new
oils
on
the
asphalt,
maybe
some
new
you
know
actually
asphalt
itself,
mixing
it
in
and
and
and
then
leveling
it
all
back
out.
N
What
you're
seeing
on
the
right
this
picture
is
is
actually
it
looks
like
there
was
some
sort
of
pipe
that
ran
underneath
this
trail,
which
caused
it
to
sink.
This
was
I'm
not
sure
if
you're
familiar
if
people
are
familiar,
this
is
not
long
mini.
This
is
a
this
was
maybe
a
one
to
two
inch
lip
that
that
really
was
a
you
know
was
a
jarring
spot,
so
we
tested
out
this
along
minnehaha
between
cedar
and
14th
avenue
and
to
really
good
success.
N
In
my
opinion,
it's
not
pretty
as
you
can
see,
but
what
you
get
is
it's,
it's
very
cost
effective.
We
don't
have
to
haul
or
cut
any
material,
because
it's
a
seamless
patch,
so
it
essentially
it's
a
waterproof
patch
and
you
get
a
really
smooth
riding
experience,
because
it's
all
because
it's
rolled
out
after
the
fact
so,
instead
of
like
cutting
out
and
adding
in
new
material,
it's
actually
a
really
interesting
way
of
doing
this.
We're
interested
to
see
how
this
holds
up
and
how
it
lasts.
N
But
at
least
in
the
first
years
these
patches
seem
to
have
worked
really
really
well.
So
I
wanted
to
in
my
last
kind
of
two
slides.
I
want
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
kind
of
our
process
and
make
sure
that
that
folks
do
understand
that
what
we're
doing
here
is
really
intended
to
be
a
pilot
to
be
a
first
shot
at
this,
and
I
think
I'm
glad
that
I'm
here
to
talk
to
all
of
you
to
get
some
feedback
on
your
experience
on
the
trails
and
what
you
would
like
to
see.
N
So
we
can
continue
to
develop
this
program.
You
know,
as
as
was
mentioned,
with
some
line
striping
issues
there
that
are
new
to
striping
new
lines
on
on
newly
seal
coated
trails,
we're
learning
as
we
go
along,
as
I
mentioned
before.
This
isn't
something
that
the
park
board's
done
in
the
past,
so
we're
trying
to
continue
to
work
on
this
cycle
of
refining
it
based
on
our
practical
experience
that
can
determine
that
could
be
both
in
terms
of
the
interventions
that
we
do,
but
also
the
timing.
N
N
You
know,
there's
been
some
key
things
around
closure,
notifications
and
detours
and
shared
paths
we're
doing
these
as
quickly
as
we
can
usually
in
about
two
days,
but
we've
learned
a
lot
about
what
works
and
what
doesn't
work
well,
understanding
that
there
are
site
coordination
and
access
issues.
That's
been
a
big
learning
as
well
too.
I
think
the
biggest
learning
for
me
has
been
around
seal
code
expectations
and
project.
N
Framing
we've
been
talking
about
trail,
I
would
say
rehab
or
trail
renovation
or
trail
repair
where
these,
which
is
really
not
what
these
seal
coating
projects
are
doing.
Seal
coating
is
really
a
maintenance
intervention.
It
doesn't
slightly
improve
the
ride
experience
because
of
the
seal
coat
we're
using,
but
it's
it's
really
more
of
a
long-term
life
extending
intervention
than
it
is
a
condition
intervention
and
from
that
kind
of
really
the
more
the
desire
for
some
more
experimental
or
experiential
repairs,
so
fixing
those
cracks
fixing
those
bumps
fixing
some
of
those
failing
sections.
N
I
added
this
today
this
weekend,
as
some
of
you
so
know,
and
saw
some
of
those
pictures.
We're
learning
that
doing
new
line
striping
on
some
of
our
trails,
especially
especially
victory.
Memorial,
is
a
challenge.
We've
been
chasing
lines
because
they've
been
out
there
forever,
which
is
actually
a
little
bit
easier,
but
laying
down
new
lines
on
especially
really
really
long.
N
Linear
trails
with
the
type
of
equipment
that
we
have
to
use,
which
is
a
very
small
buggy,
is
actually
pretty
challenging,
and
so
we're
out
there
testing
some
different
different
ways
of
doing
that
today,
because
our
current
method
and
what
what
our,
what
our
trades
painter
staff
use
right
now
actually,
you
know,
doesn't
work
when
we
don't
really
have
a
good
line
to
chase,
and
so
I'm
learning
that
today
and
what
you
saw
from
last
week
was
was
I'll.
N
Call
it
a
good
lesson,
and
I
I,
as
I
was
joking
with
somebody
this
weekend,
I'm
I'm
gonna
start
my
next
presentation
with
that
picture
and
it's
just
going
to
be
a
presentation
about
resilience
and
and
learning
and
and
doing
better
next
time.
So
what
we're
doing
for
next
year
we're
gonna.
N
The
hope
is
to
continue
a
seal
coding
program
but
actually
start
doing
some
of
these
launching
really
dispatch
and
repair
program
figuring
out
where
some
of
the
worst
segments
are
and
getting
out
there
and
doing
those
infrared
patches
doing
those
remove
and
replaces,
and
doing
some
of
that
mastic,
I'm
in
the
process
right
now
kind
of
defining
where
those
spaces
would
be
and
where
we
would
be
doing
our
seal
coding,
but
very
much
open
to
input,
and
we
would
like
to
hear
what
you
know
from
this
group
on
what
what
they
would
like
to
see
in
the
future.
N
So
with
that,
I
will
end
and
also
willing
to
share
some
of
the
more
kind
of
like
technical
things
that
I
mentioned,
whether
that
is
the
the
model
itself
kind
of
our
our
our
schedule
and
model,
or
some
of
that
background
gis
information
with
images
and
pictures
and
conditions.
So
I
will
stop
there.
H
H
Tyler
knows
about
my
reaction,
so
I'd
say
that
as
you
move
forward,
please
use
us
consult
us.
You
did
this
study
of
all
the
trails.
We
use
the
trails
all
the
time
and
we
would
love
to
provide
input
on
where
we
would
like
to
see
changes
and
in
particular
what
I
can
say
is
the
part
of
lake
of
the
isles,
which
was
repaved.
H
The
logitudional
cracks
are
still
there.
The
resealing
just
provided
an
extra
layer
on
top
of
the
cracks.
There
was
a
square
essentially
like
a
pothole
in
the
path
there.
It's
still
there.
It's
still
one
inch,
deep
so
I'd
say
with
limited
funds.
Instead
of
doing
the
little
cosmetic
thing
that
you
did
to
the
I
would
have
loved
to
have
seen
you
repair
the
section
that
is
unsafe.
H
So
you
know,
I
understand
that
you
want
to
do
some
sealing
see
how
long
that
that
lasts.
But
please,
you
know,
consult
with
us
to
to
ask
about
what
we
would
like
to
see
as
well,
and
I'd
also
say
I
don't
know
if
it's
just
because
the
steel
coating
isn't
supposed
to
do
anything
except
just
see
it
just
cover
it
or
whether
the
contractor
you
had
didn't
do
a
good
job,
but
it
just
it
seems
like
all
the
longitudinal
cracks
are
still
there.
H
N
Yeah,
I
maybe
can
quickly
just
answer
like
the
the
the
purpose
of
of
seal
coating
and
no
you're
you're
a
hundred
percent
correct.
The
the
the
the
seal
coating
will
not
fix,
especially
I
I
know
the
exact
kind
of
cracks
and
also
that
square
that
you're
talking
about
the
seal
coating
will
not
repair
those
those
sections.
What
seal
coating
is
really
intended
to
do
is
to
prevent
future
degradation
in
the
trails,
especially
around.
You
know,
to
stop
some
of
those
bigger
cracks
from
happening
in
the
future,
but
it
won't.
N
It
doesn't
bring
the
trail
back
in
time
to
fix
some
of
those
cracks.
That
needs
to
be
a
different
intervention,
and
that
is,
as
you
are,
identifying
a
hundred
percent,
something
that
we
need
to
do
as
well
too,
and,
as
I
mentioned
in
our
lessons
and
learnings
like
how
we
frame
this
is
I'll
totally
take
credit
for
that.
We
were
excited
about
this
right
trail
trail.
N
A
hundred
percent
fair
100
percent,
fair
question,
and
I
think
it's
from
my
perspective,
it
is
it
is,
I
think
it
is.
I
think
it
is
both,
but
I
think
we've
heard
from
this
year-
and
I
think
I'm
hearing
obviously
now
that
there
is
a
really
big
desire
to
fix
some
of
those,
especially
safety
conditions,
safety
issues
and
spending
that
money
towards
that
right
now
to
get
those
taken
care
of.
B
Yeah,
you
know
chris
tyler
thanks
for
coming
fantastic,
I
mean
the
effort
is
so
so
important
it
and
I
I
I'm
thinking
that
you
know
a
snappy,
a
snappy
headline
like
you
know,
asphalt,
always
cracks
or
an
ounce
of
prevention,
something
I
mean
you've
got
the
right
vibe
here
I
mean
asset
management.
Is
I
mean
it's?
What
we
ultimately
most
people
sort
of
would
say
off.
The
top
of
their
head
is
important.
It's
like
I
want
a
smooth
ride.
This
is
crucial,
so
I
think
that's
really
fantastic.
B
It
did
make
me
think
about
20
years
in
the
oil
sort
of
oil
industry.
The
phrase
rust
never
sleeps,
rust,
never
sleeps
sort
of
made
its
debut
and
it
was.
It
was
very
powerful
in
sort
of
convincing
the
oil
industry
to
prioritize
maintenance
and
yearly
maintenance
of
oil
pipelines.
So
that's
one
thought
also.
I
remember
also
about
also
maybe
25
years
ago
in
wisconsin,
and
it
was
perhaps
just
for
walking
trails.
I
remember
there
was
experimentation
with
a
pine
tar
binder.
B
It
was
a
I
mean,
that's
about
all.
I
remember,
and
I
obviously
a
non-um
asphalt
there
might
have
still
been
vocs,
but
it
was
not
petroleum
voc.
I'm
just
curious
whether
you
know
perhaps
that
ended
up
not
being
a
very
good,
a
binder
for
durability.
I'm
just
curious.
If
that
was
looked
into.
N
I
can
say
that
that,
as
a
part
of
this
project,
what
we
really
modeled
our
sealcoating
projects
or
sealcoating
interventions
on
was
was
the
interventions
that
three
rivers
uses
and
so
on
all
of
their
trade
system.
They
have
a
really
robust
seal
coating,
crack
ceiling
program,
and
so
in
this
first
year
we
kind
of
modeled
that,
after
speaking
with
them
and
after
speaking
with
some
experts,
but
so
I
would
my
that's
my
long
answer,
my
short
answer
is
no.
N
B
M
Yes,
chris,
thank
you,
I'm
very
humbled
by
what
you
presented
here.
This
is
a
lot
of
information
that
I'd
love
to
even
see
more
detail
if
it
if
it
can
be
shared,
but
it
really
really
was
great
to
be
able
to
review
ahead
of
time,
and
I
I
did
most
of
the.
I
did
all
the
trails
except
nokomis
just
to
check
it
out
last
week
I
made
sure
that
I
wasn't
going
past
a
detour,
but
I
caught
a
lot
of
it.
M
I
do
have
a
couple
of
questions
and
maybe
to
start
out
with
you
know
the
the
seal
coat
right.
It
doesn't
it's
not
like
a
new
trail
as
far
as
conditions,
but
hopefully
it
is
preventing
it
from
getting
worse
and
that's
an
important
deal
to
do.
While
you
still
have
fairly,
you
know
an
adequate
trail
to
go
on,
but
what
was
really
incredible
is
that
you
strike
these
trails,
and
I
really
thank
you
for
doing
that.
M
To
encourage
people
to
understand
that
you
know
where
to
be
on
the
trail
and
that
there
is
a
bike
trail
there,
and
that
was
a
really
really
important
thing
to
do.
But
that
said,
you
know
one
of
the
things
I
always
get
confused
is
when
they
start
putting
up
up
those
solid,
yellow
and
solid
white
lines
and
where
the
hell
am
I
supposed
to
be,
because
I
just
get
confused,
I
get
confused
every
time.
M
I
go
down
theater
worth
parkway
up
by
26th
and
down
by
55
there,
and
I
I
can't
you
know,
I
think
other
people
do
too,
and
so
that's
something
I
wish
that
maybe
just
putting
some
thought
about
these
solid.
M
You
know
who
knows
what,
where
they're
supposed
to
be,
if
you
don't
have
symbols
of
you
know
a
pedestrian,
a
bicycle
or
whatever
I
I
just
get
confused
and
another
piece
that
down
that's
exemplified
on
cedar
lake
road
there,
no,
not
cedar
lake
by
cedar
lake
was
where
the
the
the
width
of
these
things
goes
down.
You're
trying
to
maintain
a
pedestrian
and
a
double,
but
all
of
a
sudden
you've
got
two
foot
and
three
foot
bike,
which
is
no
good
for
anybody.
M
M
But
a
couple
of
things
that
I
did
notice
on
victory.
Memorial
drive
that
you
did
the
sidewalk
crossings
on
the
west
side
of
the
of
the
parkway,
and
it
wasn't
done
on
the
east
side.
M
I
don't
know
if
that
just
was
part
of
the
plan,
but
one
thing
that
is
throughout
this
whole
area
from
394
all
the
way
up
to
all
the
way
through
northeast
minneapolis
is
the
very
limited
amount
of
zebra
crossings
and
pedestrian
sig
pedestrian
signing
that
exists
in
the
northeast
and
north
thing
compared
to
the
south
of
394
regional
trail
system,
and
it's
the
parkway
paving
system,
parkway
paving
program
doesn't
do
it,
they
they
don't
think
about
it.
M
I
just
went
through
this
on
26th
avenue,
trying
to
get
a
pedestrian
crossing
on
on
where
26
crosses
over
to
sunset
hill-
and
you
know
I
mean
it
was
just
impossible.
They
didn't
have
an
answer
for
it
and
it's
just
a
way
of
being
able
to
allow
people
from
north
minneapolis
to
access
across
this
thing
to
to
make
make
cars
know
that
there's
pedestrians
there.
M
H
H
Really
do
think
it's
great
and
I
guess
I
would
echo
what
dan
was
saying
about
bike
and
and
pedestrian
symbols.
I
think
that
was
our
comment
about
downtown
as
well.
I
agree,
sometimes
I
see
a
stripe
and
I
go
yes.
I
know
I'm
supposed
to
be
in
a
lane
but
which
one
so.
J
J
This
whole
notion
of
maintaining
something
after
it's
built,
especially
with
with
trails,
is,
is
kind
of
new
to
us.
I
mean
the
idea
is
not
new,
but
the
practice
is,
and
so
it's
it's
going
to
take
a
little
bit
of
patience
on
our
part
to
kind
of
work
through
the
kinks
to
make
it
all
happen.
We
know
that
the
park
board,
I
mean
any
any
given
crossing
of
a
of
a
of
a
parkway
or
of
an
adjacent
street.
J
There
could
be
any
number
of
you
know,
stripings
or
no
stripings
to
actually
get
across.
You
know
continental
or
zebra
or
whatever,
there's
a
there's
a
weird
orange
ladder,
one
at
the
worth
golf
course,
that's
just
very
strange,
so
we
there's
there's
a
number
of
little
kinks
that
we
need
to
work
out
and
develop
standards
for
for
striping
and
painting.
J
But
generally
you
know
on
on
those
combined
trails
where
there's
three
lanes
the
two
nearest,
the
parkway
are
the
bicycle
lanes
and
the
the
the
one
that's
furthest
away
from
the
parkway
or
between
the
nearest.
The
asset
like
a
lake
or
whatever
is
almost
always
a
pedestrian
and
it's
it
is
on
us
to
actually
make
that
that.
B
J
On
out
there-
and
you
know
we-
we
don't
always
paint
every
year-
there's
there's,
I
don't
know
how
many
people
are
in
a
paint
shop,
but
I
would
I
bet
we
could
count
it
on
one
hand
and
they're
out.
They
paint
walls
and
ceilings
inside
our
rec
centers.
They
paint
striping
on
curbs
and
outside.
J
So
their
job
isn't
just
you
know
out
painting
pavement
they've
got
a
number
of
different
jobs
that
they
do
so
it
is
going
to
take
a
little
bit
of
time
for
us
to
kind
of
gear
up
and
get
going,
but
you
know
chris
and
his
group
over
there,
I
think,
has
done
an
amazing
job,
something
that
I've
been
talking
about
with
with
my
bosses
for
a
long
long
time,
just
just
inventorying
was
was
my
thing
is
trying
to
get
an
inventory
and
very
happy
that
chris
was
able
to
to
do
that.
M
Just
a
real
quick
one
is:
what's
the
life
cycle
or
what's
what's
the
what's
the
paint
you
put
down
for
the
striping
and
how
long
will
it
do
you
have
any
idea.
N
Yeah,
that's
really
basic
yeah
on
experience.
What
we
see
and
what
I've
heard
from
our
paint
shop
is
that
they
ideally
would
like
to
stripe
our
trails
every
year.
That
would
be
our
our
paint
foreman's
goal.
Do
they
do
that?
No,
what
we
see
in
terms
of
the
breakdown
of
them.
One
of
the
big
things
is
to
keep
our
bike
trails
really
clean.
We
sweep
a
lot
of
them
and
the
sweeper,
even
more
than
the
plow
really
really
takes,
takes
the
paint
off.
N
So
I
would
say
what
moe's
has
told
me
is
that
between
two
and
three
years
you
will
get
about.
You
know
eighty
percent,
even
sometimes
more
than
that
of
of
the
the
striping.
You
know
fading
out
or
getting
worn
off,
so
you
know
yeah,
so
I
guess
long
story
short.
You
know
three
years
it's
probably
gone
we'd
like
to,
but
within
a
year
it
even
starts
fading.
M
I'm
wondering
if
and
maybe
you've
done
this
already,
but
what
three
rivers
is
doing
and
if
there's
something
that's,
maybe
more
effective
than
maybe
a
latex
paint,
and
it's
just
a
question
that
if
you
haven't
answered
it
mike
or
ask
it,
it
may
be
worth
doing.
Thank
you.
D
Yeah,
I
had
a
quick
question
about
so
it's
it's
great
to
see
a
kind
of
a
more
of
a
data
driven
process
to
identifying
these
needed
sections
that
needed
repair
replacement
seal
coat.
D
One
one
thing
I
was
wondering
is:
what
kind
of
room
is
there
still
for
special
projects
or
things
to
take
advantage
of
like
say
a
cyber
permit?
Here
so
say
you
know,
mndot
has
a
project
on
55
and
you
know
you
want
to
be
able
to
have
room
in
your
budget
in
a
certain
year
out
to
be
able
to,
you
know,
take
advantage
of
work
being
done
out
there
is
there.
Is
there
still
kind
of
like
room
left
outside
of
this?
D
Not
strict,
but
you
know
guided
process
where
you'd
be
able
to
do
kind
of
work
outside
the?
What
the
what
the
template's
telling
you
to
be
able
to
maybe
hit
something
five
years
earlier
than
what
it
really
needed,
or
something.
N
Yeah,
that's
a
real,
it's
a
really
good
question
in
in,
in
my
one
other
presentation,
where
we
talk
about
quartz,
which
is
another
one
that
we're
doing
in
life
cycle.
N
I
I
reference
on
one
of
the
later
slides
that
this
is
really
intended
to
be
a
base
in
that
we
can
that
we
can
do
more
and
different
things
off
of
so
I
would
even
argue
that
having
this
kind
of
foundation,
data-driven
foundation
allows
us
to
say:
oh,
we
need
to
do
something
else
or
oh
there's
an
opportunity
to
do
something
here
and
partner
on
a
project.
It
actually
even
gives
us
more
flexibility
to
do
that,
because
we
know
oh
yep.
This
is
how
much
we
have
budgeted.
N
Oh,
maybe
something
can
move
back
or
we
can
slide
things
around.
You
know
this
isn't
exactly
the
trails,
but
we
say
with
courts
right.
This
allows
us
to
do
art
on
the
courts,
because
now
we
know
when
we're
doing
them
right.
It
allows
us
to
partner
better
with
capital
projects.
So
when
you
know
tyler
says
you
know,
the
planning
department
says:
hey
we're
going
to
be
planning
on
doing
this
reconstruction.
N
Then
I
in
in
a
year,
then
we
know
okay,
we're
not
going
to
seal
coat
that
section
this
year,
so
it
gives
us
in
the
rigidity
it
gives
us
flexibility
or
in
even
the
knowledge
it
gives
us
the
flexibility
to
move
things
around.
So
I
think
that's
a
really
good
point
and
I
would
say
yes
and
I'm
excited
to
actually
be
able
to
implement
that
sort
of
flexibility
within
the
within
the
system.
A
Awesome
dan
is
your
hand
still
up.
A
M
Well,
I
have
a
question:
this
is
dan
and
I
have
a
question.
This
is
partially
for
matthew,
deardoll
and
but
I
think
this
is
worth
acknowledging
this
report
and
the
hopefulness
of
it
and
and
that
to
be
able
to
present
something
to
our
council
and
public
works,
that
this
is
something
that
would
be
good
to
consider
for
the
trails
and
matthew.
Do
you
have
any
thoughts
about
that?
I'd,
be
willing
to
write
something
up,
but
I'd
like
to
hear
from
you
first.
E
Yeah,
I
guess
I
guess
I'll
just
say
I'm
as
impressed
as
everyone
else
has
articulated
so
yeah,
I'm
not
sure
exactly
what
that
would
look
like
in
terms
of
what
you're
suggesting
dan,
but
this
would
you
know
this
would
be
great
for
the
city
to
have
this
level
of
you
know,
documentation
and
complaining.
M
I'm
not
writing
a
proposal.
I
just
wanted
to
offer
some
accommodation
for
the
effort
that
has
been
done
here
and
for
the
city
to
consider
consider
doing
something
similar
to
this
to
city
trails,
that
don't
have
a
program
that
I
understand
that
does
any
kind
of
repairs.
So
I
think
it'd
be
a
good
thing
to
implement
it's
something
that
we
just
aren't.
There's
nothing!
M
M
and
it's
sitting
it's
eight
feet
wide.
It's
undersized
it's!
It's
busted
up,
since
it's
been
there
in
since
97
and
it's
sitting
on
developer
lands.
So
nobody
wanted
to
do
anything
about
it,
and
so
it
will,
you
know,
continue
to
age
and,
to
you
know,
fall
apart
compared
to
doing
something
like
a
seal
coating
that
would
extend
its
life.
So
I
I
think
that
that
situation
exists
in
other
parts
of
minneapolis
as
well
on
city
trails,.
O
Hey
dan
all
right,
this
is
chris
carthage,
real
quick.
I
just
wanted
to
jump
in
to
say
I
I
think
I
don't
think,
there's
necessarily
anything
outside
of
our
normal
path
forward
of
a
resolution.
O
If
there's
something
that
you
want
there,
I
mean
this
body
advises
the
city
on
what
they
would
like
to
see
and
so
by
putting
that
advisement
through
in
a
resolution
of
what
you
were
saying
that
might
be
kind
of
the
the
next
step,
if
you're,
hoping
that
the
city
would
kind
of
take
this
on
and
and
then
from
there
we
can
figure
out
kind
of
who
would
who
would
consider
that,
but
as
opposed
to
like
jumping
to
council
or
or
something
like
that,
I
think,
maybe
that
that
first
step
would
just
be
putting
together
that
resolution
and
weighing
it
at
the
the
full
bac
next
month
and
kind
of
seeing
where
that
goes.
A
So
much
and
thank
you
chris
anybody
else
have
any
other
questions.
J
I
would
just
say
related
to
the
you
know
any
type
of
resolution
that
you
you
all
may
put
forward.
The
park
board
isn't
expecting
any.
You
know
resolution
for
us,
you
know,
so
we
don't
need
that
to
kind
of
move
forward.
Other
than
you
know,
kudos
are
always
nice,
I
guess
so.
It
is
very
appreciated
to
hear
that.
That's
all
I
got.
J
I
think
dan
had
mentioned
trail
widths
and
stuff,
and
you
know
some
of
the
trails
that
we
have
were
designed
decades
ago
and
installed
decades
ago,
when
we
didn't
quite
understand
exactly
how
many
people
would
actually
be
using
them
in
today's
today's
era
of
the
bicycle,
but
one
thing
that
we
do
have
to
kind
of
be
conscious
of
as
we
design
these
things
is
that
we
are
putting
pavement
into
parks
and
into
natural
spaces
and
a
lot
of
times
those
natural
spaces
are
right
up
against.
J
You
know
water
bodies
and
and
wetlands,
and
things
like
that,
so
we
just
have
to
be
conscious
about
how
much
impervious
surface
and
how
much
asphalt-
and
you
know,
non-natural
materials
we
are
putting
in
the
parks.
So
we
would
love
to
have
some
wider
trails.
We
just
have
to
be
kind
of
conscious
of
of
where
we
put
those-
and
you
know
we
don't
want
to
degrade
lake
qualities
just
or
you
know,
landscape
quality
for
for
a
much
wider
trail.
That's
all.
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
that.
That's
a
very
good
point
always
have
to
consider
that
does
anybody
have
anything
else,
otherwise
I
am
going
to
let
you
go
anyone.
A
Okay,
thank
you
so
much
for
your
presentation
and
please
involve
us
as
you
need
us.
You
know.
Let
come
to
attend.
Another
meeting,
use
us
for
ideas
or
any
suggestions.
J
Yeah,
we
so
kind
of
a
part
of
this
and
kind
of
the
reason
it
didn't.
Really.
Click
in
my
brain
to
say,
hey
chris,
we
need
to
to
present
is
because
this
is
really
a
maintenance
type
activity
and
we
we
aren't
moving
trails.
We
aren't
redesigning
trails,
we
aren't
adding
stop
signs
or
any
any
kind
of
functionality.
J
It's
really
just
a
a
longevity
and
maintenance
thing,
so
my
apologies
for
not
kind
of
making
that
connection
and-
and
you
know
wanting
to
to
grab
your
your
all's
input
on
this,
but
we
will
going
forward
absolutely,
and
you
know,
as
far
as
capital
projects.
On
my
end,
you
know:
we've
heard
several
park
board
capital
projects
for
new
trails
or
trail
adjustments
and
we'll
keep
kind
of
coming
to
this.
This
group,
with
those
as
they
pop
up.
M
Yeah,
just
in
closing
tyler
is
this
something
that
may
become
a
cip
like
the
parkway
paving
program.
J
It's
that's
kind
of
what
this
is.
Is
it's
it's.
You
know
it's.
It's
laying
out
a
budget
for
certain
areas,
given
certain
qualities,
so
you
know:
we've
we've
inserted
our
equity
matrix
that
we
use
for
distributing
park
funding
throughout
the
neighborhood
park
system
into
this
into
this
pavement
system
as
well.
As
you
know,
pavement
quality
index
that
type
of
thing,
so
it
is
kind
of
a
cip
in
itself,
but
technically
this
would
be
built
into
asset
management's
budget,
which
would
then
be
built
into
the
park
boards,
cip,.
M
Okay,
so
you
know
the
parkway
paving
program
has
an
annual
750
000
budget.
That
goes
before
the
click
every
year,
and
it
is
highly
approved
highly
rated
each
year
because
people
love
their
product.
We
love
our
parkways,
we
want
them
fixed
and
if
you
were
going
to
go
that
route
as
a
separate
line
item,
I
think
you
would
get
a
lot
of
support
from
the
capital,
long
range
and
improvement
committee.
I
don't
know
if
that's
the
way
you
want
to
go
or
anything
but
fyi.
I
think.
J
Yeah,
I
chris
I'm
not
sure
if
you
know
more
than
I
do,
but
you
know
the
the
parkways
are
really
maintained
by
the
city
of
minneapolis.
You
know
they
they
do
parkway,
paving
and
lighting
and
in
I
guess
the
the
flip-flop
return
of
that
is
the
park
board.
Does
all
the
city
boulevard,
trees
and
stuff
like
that?
J
So
I
I
think
it's
going
to
be
removed
from
the
you
know,
any
type
of
parkway
budgeting
and
and
the
quick
process
and
what
the
city
goes
through
to
to
grab
those
funds,
but
certainly
it
would
be
in
our
yearly
budgeting
process
for
the
park
board
itself.
N
Thank
you.
The
one
thing
that
I
would
just
quickly
add
to
that
is
is
what
I
think
is
really
valuable,
especially
about
the
park
board.
Cip,
is
that
folks
are
able
to
look
at
it
and
go
okay.
I
you
know
my
park
is
bryant
square
park.
I
I
know
that
they
that
there's
money
set
aside
in
a
couple
years-
and
I
know
roughly
what
it's
for
and
I
think,
as
tyler
mentioned,
this
is
kind
of
this
program.
N
So
I
think,
bringing
some
visibility
to
this,
which
is
what
you
know.
A
big
part
of,
at
least
from
my
perspective,
our
capital
or
rcip
does
from
a
planning
perspective.
Yeah
brings
that
down
to
these
maintenance
and
rehab
programs,
so.