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From YouTube: April 30, 2021 Capital Long Range Improvements Committee
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B
Good
morning
my
name
is
jeffrey
strand,
I'm
the
chair
of
the
capital
long-range
improvements
committee.
It
is
friday
april
30th,
2021
and
it's
now
804
am
before.
We
begin
I'd
like
to
note
that
this
meeting
includes
the
remote
participation
of
members
as
authorized
under
minnesota
statute,
section
13d
0.021,
due
to
the
declared
local
health
pandemic.
I
will
now
call
this
meeting
to
order
and
ask
the
clerk
to
call
the
rule
so
that
we
may
verify
the
presence
of
a
quorum.
B
C
D
A
Scott
engel
amity
foster.
A
Oh
rich
is
here:
okay,
erica
melter,.
C
A
C
C
A
With
that
there
are
20
people
present
a
recent.
E
Number,
I
am
also
present.
Let
me
know
if
you
can't
hear
me
this
is.
B
B
So,
as
we
have
been
doing
this
year
with
click,
I
would
ask
members
when
making
a
motion
to
state
your
name
and
then
when
doing
a
second
likewise
and
for
the
sake
of
efficiency.
I'd
like
to
without
objection,
take
adoption
of
the
agenda
item
two
and
acceptance
of
the
meeting
minutes
from
april
24th
2021
as
a
single
motion.
B
G
G
C
C
F
A
A
C
C
B
D
I
have
a
simple
reminder:
I
I've
received
some
inquiries
on
the
side
regarding
comments.
I
I've
been
asking
people
to
just
keep
notes
and
we'll
discuss
individual
comments.
A
little
later
in
our
group
sessions.
B
A
I
Jeff,
this
is
robert.
I
do
want
to
confirm
we,
you
know,
we've
got
those
questions
and
I
think,
can
bring
them
up
as
needed
at
this
point,
we're
I
think,
we're
just
waiting
for
city
staff
to
join
for
the
q,
a
portion.
B
Well,
we
can
just
take
a
short
break
or
you
know
we
can,
if
there's
nothing
further
about
the
task
force.
B
J
J
Jeff
this
is
justin.
I
just
want
to
mention
yep.
You
highlighted
that
bill
is
on
the
call,
congratulations
to
bill
katrina
and
eamonn
for
their
appointments
going
through
council.
Those
will
be
official
at
the
end
of
next
week
and
we'll
get
them
to
take
the
oath
of
office
and
they
will
join
as
official
members
and
also
congratulations
to
those
who
just
went
through
the
process.
J
I
know
jake
is
going
to
take
his
oath
shortly
and
we
had
zechariah
join
and
kai,
join
as
official
members,
so
appreciate
everybody
going
through
the
appointment
process,
taking
their
oath
and
joining
official
capacity-
and
I
does
look
like
dan-
also
has
his
hand
up.
Yes,.
B
F
J
J
It
was
pretty
close
to
when
the
first
public
input
session
was
going
to
take
place,
I'm
just
given
that
timeline,
but
they
did
send
that
out
how
that
was
distributed
or
who
it
got
distributed
to
I'm
less
aware,
because
that's
really
their
expertise,
but
that
information
was
given
to
them
with
the
hope
that
they
could
spread
the
word
prior
to
the
first
one
and
then
maybe
highlight
that
there
was
the
second
one.
If
folks
couldn't
join
the
first
time
around.
F
That
may
be
worth
confirming
with
them
as
to
who
that's
gone
out,
to
just
hope
that
we
could,
you
know,
make
sure
that
people
are
aware
of
it
thanks
a
lot
thanks.
B
B
I'll
I
will
person
I'm
off,
I'm
taking
vacation
from
work
today
for
this
meeting.
So
I
will.
I
will
personally
reach
out
to
stephen
gallagher,
because
I
have
some
nrp
business
that
I
have
to
talk
with
stephen
about
as
well.
D
Steve:
okay,
a
request
here
whenever
that
notice
comes
out
from
ncr,
if
you
could
get
it
also
to
us
as
individuals.
Many
of
us,
if
not
all
of
us,
are
members
of
neighborhood
associations
and
we
can
get
it
out
by
that
means
as
well.
So
thanks.
K
Sorry
I
have
enough
glare
out
here.
I
couldn't
find
my
cursor
to
unmute
myself.
I
wanted
to
just
mention
that
I
also
separately
made
a
request
through
david
rubidor
ncr
and
sarah
mckenzie,
that
this
that
these
two
public
input
sessions
get
better
publicity
on
the
city
social
media
accounts
than
they
have
in
the
past.
K
J
Absolutely
great
question
steve:
the
current
roster
would
be
accessed
via
the
sharepoint
or
through
teams.
If
you
go
into
the
documents
into
general,
the
roster
is
there
because
we've
had
frequent
updates.
I've
just
been
instead
of
emailing
it
consistently
as
it
gets
changed.
The
latest
version
is
there.
K
K
B
I'm
showing
30
participants
in
our
meeting
21
members
plus
pending,
so
if
there
are
no
other
questions
or
why
don't
we
take
come
back
at
20
after
I'm,
just
going
to
get
a
warm-up
on
coffee
is
that
okay,
robert.
B
I
Good,
we'll
we'll
ping
you
once
when
staff
arrives.
B
So
confirming
with
staff
that
there's
no
change
to
our
adopted
presentation
agenda,
so
we
have
the
scheduled
finance
and
property
services,
public
ground
facilities
and
municipal
building.
Commission
excuse
me
at
8
30
and
then
a
break
at
10
20,
and
then
we
resume
with
community
planning
economic
development
and
park
board
at
10
30
a.m
and
a
break
at
12,
20
p.m,
and
then
task
force
breakout.
I
Sessions
jeff-
this
is
robert.
I
I
certainly
haven't
heard
of
any
update
to
the
schedule,
and
I
do
want
to
take
a
moment
now
to
just
welcome
property
services.
Director
barbara
o'brien
has
been
able
to
join
us
this
morning.
I
believe
we
have
a
few
others
from
the
property
services
division
who
are
planning
on
being
on
the
call
as
well,
and
I'm
not
sure
if
I
see
them
on
yet-
but
I
do
want
to
at
this
time
welcome
barbara.
E
E
You
robert,
I
can
confirm
that
several
members
from
our
team
property
services
team
will
be
joining.
They
were
anticipating
hopping
on
the
call
at
8
30..
I
know
we're
a
little
bit
advanced
of
that.
I'm
just
running
a
little
bit
early,
but
I
am
expecting
rod
olson
from
the
radio
shop.
I
am
expecting
bob
friddle
from
designing
construction,
chris
bacchus
from
design
and
construction
and
as
well
as
brian
millberg
from
energy.
I
Great,
thank
you
we'll
keep
an
eye
out
for
them
in
the
in
the
attendees
list.
We
have
a
few.
We
have
a
few
questions
that
were
submitted
in
advance,
that
we
have
the
ability
to
to
pull
up
for
the
benefit
of
click
here,
and
you
know
to
the
extent
that
click
members
have
any
any
questions
that
they've
brought
today
for
the
question
and
answer
session
too,
we'll
have
opportunity
to
go
through
those
as
well
sounds
like
once
the
once
the
rest
of
the
team.
I
B
B
Yeah
typically,
this
is
jeff
strand
click
chair.
So
typically
we'll
just
do
like
a
10
15
minute
intro
with
the
department
director
and
high
level
overview.
You
know,
so
we
get
grounded
and
then
we'll
segue
into
the
questions.
We
have
some
questions
that
were
sent
in
advance
and
then
we'll
have
the
virtual
in-person
questions
so
robert
usually
cues
things
up,
and
so
whenever,
whenever
finance
and
property
services
is
ready
to
go,
we're
ready
to
go.
L
Okay
sounds
good,
I
think
chris
bach
is
is
coming
from
another
meeting,
so
he
might
be
slightly
late,
but
he
only
has
a
couple
presentations
that
usually
fall
or
in
the
middle.
I
This
is
robert
bob,
if
you
have,
if
you
have
a
presentation
you'd
like
to,
I
don't
know,
just
do
a
quick
recap
for
click
members.
At
this
point,
I
think
we
can.
We
can
share
control
of
the
presentation
with
you
and
then
we'll
have
handy.
I
think
a
series
of
questions
that
were
submitted
in
advance.
I
Oh,
I'm,
sorry!
No,
so
we
have
the
the
the
video
presentations
that
were
presented
to
click
member
via
the
I
don't
know,
via
the
video
recordings,
just
to
be
absolutely
clear,
as
I
try
and
kind
of
wrangle,
different
materials
for
this
meeting
here.
Those
presentations
have
already
been
disseminated
to
the
capitol
long
range
improvements
committee.
I
Members
have
had
some
opportunity
to
go
through
those
videos
already,
but
may
also
you
know
time
permitting
may
still
be
working
through
some
of
those
videos
and
jeff
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
we
weren't
planning
on
replaying
the
the
presentation
videos
at
this
time.
I
think
it's
an
opportunity
if
you
know
if,
if
staff
are
so
willing
and
want
to
you
know,
a
brief
recap
is
always
welcome.
Otherwise
we
certainly
have
you
know.
I
We
certainly
have
a
few
questions
that
have
already
been
submitted
in
advance
and
we
can
kind
of
jump
into
those
to
the
extent
possible.
We've
shared
a
few
of
those
questions
out
with
departments
so
that
they
have
the
ability
to
you
know
kind
of
work
through
right.
We
do
have
those
up
on
the
screen.
We
do
have
those
that
we
can
kind
of
bring
up
and
okay
use
the
camera
yeah.
Okay,.
L
That's
fine!
That's
that's!
Fine
with
me
I'll,
be
happy
to
kind
of
recap
the
presentation
to
start
each
discussion.
If
you,
I
don't,
have
any
concern
about
particular
order.
So
if,
if
you
just
want
to
start
from
the
top
of
your
list
and
introduce
one,
we
can
go
from
there.
I
Okay,
so
I
think
we
can,
we
can
bring
up
the
written
questions
that
were
submitted
in
advance.
There
were
certainly
a
few.
The
first
couple
touch
on
the
the
fire
station
projects.
J
L
Right
so,
while
he's
doing
that
I'll
say,
I'm
bob
frittle,
I'm
director
of
facilities,
design
and
construction
for
property
services,
division
of
finance
and
property
services,
and
I've
recorded
the
majority
of
our
presentations
and
participated
in
the
development
of
the
capital
budget
requests
with
our
team.
L
Chris
bacchus
will
be
joining
me
today,
along
with
brian
milberg
and
brad
olson
from
our
group
for
their
particular
expertise
on
a
couple
of
capital
budget
requests,
but
starting
with
the
three
fire
projects,
fire
11
fire
12
and
fire
14
fire
11
is
coincidentally
fire
station
11,
which
is
on
the
northeast
side
of
town
fire
12
is
fire
station
one
downtown
a
replacement,
also
a
replacement
and
fire
station
14
is
fire
station
or
fire.
L
So
it
is
dependent
upon
moving
the
water
department
to
the
high
water
maintenance
facility,
campus
expansion
site
at
the
former
roof
depot
warehouse
that
the
city
purchased
six
years
ago,
and
that
project
is
water
18,
which
is
also
in
development
and
a
capital
budget
request
that
we'll
be
talking
about
later.
L
It
won't
take
up
the
entire
water
yard
site,
so
there
will
be
some
available
property
for
redevelopment
once
we
get
that
figured
out,
but
we
haven't
started
planning
that
project.
Yet
fire
12
is
fire
station
one
downtown
part
of
a
three-quarter
block
development
that
will
relocate
it
to
the
western
corner,
where
it's
it's
currently
located
on
the
eastern
corner
of
that
block
and
in
the
deal
with
sherman
associates
the
developer.
L
L
That
project
is
in
final
stages
of
design
and
the
terms
of
the
development
contract
are
set
to
go
to
the
council
in
the
following
cycle:
fire
station
19.
L
We
were
approached
by
the
university
foundation
that
wants
to
develop
the
black
that
it's
on
and
has
requested
that
we
consider
a
new
location
yet
to
be
identified
to
the
west,
to
the
east
or
northeast
of
the
stadium
on
property.
They
own
currently
parking
lot
areas
and
that's
a
long-range
project,
it's
on
their
long-range
plan.
So
it's
on
our
long-range
plan.
L
So
the
questions
that
we
got
about
the
fire
station
projects
actually
apply
to
all
of
our
projects
in
a
way
and
starting
with
these
comparative
stations
that
we're
using,
we
haven't
built
a
new
station
for
quite
some
time.
We've
done
some
remodelings
to
existing
stations
and
small
additions
of
apparatus
bays,
but
not
a
whole.
L
New
station
for
fire
station
12,
we
got
separate
cost
estimates,
I'm
sorry
for
fire
12,
which
is
fire
station
one.
We
got
separate
cost
estimates
now
that
have
been
confirmed
based
on
design
development
drawings
for
roughly
12
million
dollars,
construction
cost.
Now
every
fire
station
is
a
little
different
and
some
have
more
larger
apparatus
base
than
others.
Some
have
two
crews,
instead
of
one.
L
The
last
station
that
we
built
was
fire
station
six,
I
believe,
which
is
down
by
the
convention
center,
and
that
was
some
time
ago,
so
cost
for
the
stations
and
operating
costs
with
the
new
stations,
we're
typically
going
from
gang,
toilets
and
gang
bedrooms
to
individual
bedrooms
and
shared
toilets.
So
we
have
more
toilets
in
a
station
now
more
rooms
and
and
that
costs
more
to
build
and
and
more
to
operate.
L
B
K
I
thought
the
department
was
generally
getting
away
from
two-story
buildings,
but
I
noticed
that
fire
station
one
would
be
a
two-story
building
wildfire
station.
Eleven
would
be
a
one-story
building.
That's
one
question:
why
the
difference
and
then
has
the
you
given
any
indication
that
it's
willing
to
contribute
financially?
K
I
know
you
said
that
you
haven't
really
gotten
very
far
into
that
discussion
yet
and
do
they
have
power
to
compel
you
to
move
that
the
current
station
like
power
of
condemnation
or
what's
who,
who
is
more
sovereign
here
in
terms
of
citing
keeping
or
replacing
the
current
station.
L
Okay,
I'll
take
the
second
one.
First,
thanks
steve,
they
do
not
have
power
of
condemnation.
Our
fire
station
is
on
our
property,
so
they
want
to
work
with
us.
They've
indicated
that
they
would
be
contributing
significantly
to
the
move
cost,
but
we
haven't
talked
about
any
numbers
at
all
it
would.
It
would
be
dependent
upon
the
timing
and
the
new
location
and,
and
that
kind
of
thing
as
to
a
two-story
versus
one
story
in
a
fire
station
design.
L
The
apparatus
bay
is
a
kind
of
a
story
and
a
half
space,
so
we
can't
it
doesn't
make
sense
to
put
a
second
story
on
top
of
it,
but
in
fire
12's
instance,
we
can
put.
We
can
stack
the
the
other
functions.
The
non-apparatus
bay
functions
on
two
stories
and
and
be
more
efficient
with
the
space,
especially
downtown
where
property
values
are
much
higher
than
outside
of
downtown.
So,
where
we
have
property
that
we
can
use
outside
of
downtown,
that
is
less
expensive.
L
It
does
make
sense
to
have
everything
on
one
story
and
forego
the
traditional
fire
poles
down
from
the
second
story.
L
All
of
our
current
building
projects
are
forecast
and
estimated
to
be
at
least
lead
silver,
as
that
is
the
directive
that
we
have
from
council
at
this
time
for
new
construction
and
they're
they're,
not
necessarily
we're
not
directed
to
get
certification
on
those
buildings,
but
on
our
larger
capital
projects.
When
we
request
funding,
we
normally
go
for
leed,
gold
and
certification,
and
so
that's
that's
been
what
I
would
call
an
informal
standard
for
the
past
10
years
or
so
as
we
built
new
buildings.
L
So
the
east
side
maintenance
facility
was
built
to
lead
gold
and
certified
the
new
downtown
office
building
has
been
built
to
lead
gold
and
will
be
certified.
They
haven't
finished
that
process,
yet
other
projects
in
design
are
mostly
being
designed
to
lead
gold,
and
the
city
also
has
a
concurrent
effort
on
sustainability
policy
that
will
be
enacted
very
soon.
That
will
go
beyond
the
lead
gold
in
terms
of
sustainability,
for
both
city
projects
and
developer
projects.
L
But
right
now
we
don't
have
direction
from
council
to
go
to
a
more
expensive
and
aggressive
sustainable
stance
on
these
capital
projects.
L
So
other
questions
we
have
katrina.
N
Yes,
hi,
I
I
know
I'm
pretty
familiar
with
all
of
the
standards
that
the
city
and
the
state
have,
but
that
doesn't
mean
that
if
you
presented
a
project
that
was
I
mean,
leed
gold
is
already
outdated
as
lead
platinum,
because
they're
already
at
lead
zero,
which
is
zero
carbon.
N
You
know
waste
water,
energy
and
if
we
really
are
the
city
one
of
the
leading
cities
in
the
country,
I
think,
if
you
presented
something
with
the
budget
that
that
was
trying
to
meet
lead
zero,
then
that
would
be
up
to
us
to
convince
the
city
council
that
it
was
worth
it
because
this
is
what
I
do
so
it's
incredibly
cost
effective,
there's
payback
and
just
using
the
standard
standards
that
the
city
has
currently
by
the
time
the
building
is
built,
it's
already
outdated
and
these
buildings
last
they're.
L
I
agree
I
wholeheartedly
I've
been
a
proponent
of
sustainable
design,
all
of
my
life
all
of
my
professional
life,
and
have
worked
hard
to
get
these
projects
to
be
as
sustainable
as
possible,
because
the
payback
for
the
city
is
is
good
and
I've
worked
closely
with
other
members
of
our
division:
brian
mielberg,
our
energy
director
and
rob
verkey
our
facilities
director.
L
Good
envelopes
and
insulation,
so
once
again,
though,
our
division
takes
direction
from
council
on
what
the
requirements
are.
I
think
it's
fair
for
us
to
look
at
what
it
takes
to
get
to
the
lead
platinum.
We
are.
We
are
using
lead
gold
version
4,
which
is
a
fairly
fairly
recent,
and
if
we
can
get
to
platinum
practically,
we
can
and
we're
always
looking
for
ways
to
exceed
gold,
and
we
can
certainly
start
to
look
at
some
of
these
projects
for
lead.
N
Cost:
okay,
I
I
think,
with
the
lead,
zero
standards
and
the
2030
zero
standards,
I
think
they're
more
achievable
than
what
people
think
I
mean.
I
live
in
an
affordable,
lead,
platinum
house
and
it
was
very
easy
and
the
payback
was
five
years
on
the
upgrades.
I
I
just
can't
reiterate
that
enough
that
to.
C
N
To
start
presenting
really
really
aggressive
stuff
to
the
city
council,
because
hey,
if
you
get
some
of
it
but
you'll
probably
hear
see
this
comment
in
just
about
every
building
project
and
and
I've
worked
with
brian
milberg
on
a
solar
project.
So
I
I'm
pretty
pretty
up
to
date
on
what's
going
on
with
the
solar
stuff
too.
So
thank
you.
L
Good
good
I'll
say
one
more
thing:
we,
you
know,
our
buildings
are
high
energy
users
compared
to
houses.
We
have
a
number
of
buildings
that
are
24
7
operations
and
so
we're
we're
very
thoughtful
about
finding
ways
to
keep
their
our
energy
use
low.
So
I
think
there
I
see
a
question
from
jeffrey
strand.
B
Yes,
katrina
are
you
done
for
now?
Okay,
thank
you
yeah
question
on
the
sir
I'm
managing
two
screens
here
on
fire
11.
Now,
I'm
sorry.
If
I
can't
tell
in
the
is
the
fire
chief
here
today
at
all,
and
what
what
citywide
functionalities
will
be
serviced
out
of
this
new
proposed
news
station,
since
the
old
station
is
from
1925.
B
The
interplay
of
this
and
the
roof
depot
redevelopment
for
public
infrastructure
serving
a
city-wide
need
seems
to
be
something
I'd
like
you
to
clarify
the
interplay
and
intersection
of
those
functions.
L
The
the
hazmat
unit
will
stay
at
fire
station
11
and
it
serves
the
industrial
area
to
the
north
and
east
of
there
in
particular,
so
have
been
closer
to
hennepin
avenue,
we'll
give
it
quicker
response
time
for
those
areas,
and
so
I
I
I
don't
believe
the
chief
is
here
he's
welcome
to
china
if
he
is,
but
as
for
interplay
between
that
project
and
and
the
hiawatha
campus
expansion.
L
As
I
said
before,
the
the
relocation
of
fire
11
is
dependent
upon
freeing
up
a
site,
which
is
the
water
yard,
the
current
water
yard,
on
on
hennepin
and
fifth,
that
would
provide
a
site
for
the
new
station.
So
we
could
build
a
station
move
them
into
it
and
then
turn
the
old
station
over
for
redevelopment,
and
so
it's
it's
been
waiting
for
the
progress
on
the
high
weather
maintenance
facility
expansion
that
would
move
the
water
department
off
of
that
site.
B
Thank
you,
james
is
next.
G
L
Actually,
water
18
is
the
relocation
of
the
of
the
water
services
to
and
and
the
high
weather,
training
and
recruitment
center
is
a
separate
project
on
the
roof
depot
site
that
has
separate
capital
budget
funding.
Yes,.
G
G
M
G
Community,
are
you
able
to
be
more
specific,
or
can
we
get
more
specific
about
what
percentage
or
of
the
project
could
be
reserved
for
some
of
those
alternative
uses,
or
it's
one
of
the
few
projects?
I
think
that
might
get
a
lot
of
kickback
if
we
just
kind
of
could
seem
tone
deaf
if
we
just
kind
of
don't
address
it
specifically
in
this
quick
report
or
time.
L
Right,
yes
and
I'll
be
happy
to
do.
You
want
to
wrap
up
the
questions
on
the
three
fire
projects
and
then
move
to
water,
18
and,
and
the
training
and
recruitment
center
projects.
Next,
just
to
make
this
discussion
using
easily
to
follow
in
the
in
the
recording
or.
B
G
L
Yeah,
okay,
so
seeing
no
other
questions
on
the
fire
projects.
Robert.
Are
you
okay?
Moving
to
water18
next.
I
Yeah,
I
think
that
makes
sense
if
that's
for
the
discussion,
where
folks
want
the
discussion
to
go
sure.
L
L
Building
that
is
not
an
appropriate
workspace
and
they're
in
a
location
on
the
site
that
is
very
congested
for
people
to
be
able
to
stop
by
and
pick
things
up
right
along
with
a
fuel
station
there.
That
creates
a
tremendous
amount
of
congestion.
L
So
the
opportunity
with
purchasing
the
roof
depot
site
was
to
gain
additional
land
and
access
to
28th
street,
so
that
vehicles
could
come
and
go
by
both
26th
and
28th
and
then
have
land
available
to
move
the
water
department.
There
also
to
move
the
surface
water
and
sewer
vac
trucks
from
a
building.
We
call
the
annex
or
the
tim
building
down
on
the
south
transfer
site.
L
This
project
would
also
accommodate
improved
fleet
maintenance
so
that
we
didn't
have
to
take
vehicles
that
are
at
that
site
to
the
curry
maintenance
facility
downtown
for
maintenance.
L
It's
actually
we'll
still
do
heavy
maintenance
at
the
curry
site,
but
lighter
vehicle
maintenance
will
be
able
to
be
done
at
the
hiawatha
maintenance
facility,
expanded
site
and
we'll
relocate
the
existing
salt
and
sand
and
cipp
cast
in
place
of
pipeliner
operations
and
asphalt
patching
operations
on
the
site
for
better
circulation
and
to
move
them
farther
away
from
the
neighborhood,
and
also
adding
a
new
wash
bay
for
vehicle
maintenance
and
additional
structured
parking
to
accommodate
the
additional
staff
and
city
vehicles
that'll
be
there
and
and
equipment
that'll,
be
there
and
then
finally,
at
staff
direction
from
city
council
a
couple
of
years
ago.
L
No
public
transportation-
obviously
that
goes
that
far
and
so
we'd
be
able
to
do
training
and
recruitment
on
site
and
that
building
would
have
computer
classrooms
and
computer
simulation
classrooms
that
would
be
available
after
hours
and
on
weekends,
for
the
community
and
we'd
also
have
community
space
that
would
be
available
after
hours
and
on
weekends,
as
well
as
some
retail
space
and
some
business
generator
space,
and
so
we're
really
excited
about
the
opportunity
there.
L
That
building
would
be
in
the
southwest
corner
of
the
site
along
longfellow
avenue
and
at
the
corner
of
longfellow
in
28th.
So
there's
a
lot
going
on
there
a
lot
of
potential
for
sharing
of
resources.
L
There
are
storage
yards
there
for
gravel
and
sand
that
can
be
shared
between
different
public
works
divisions
and
better
organization
and
circulation
and
safety,
as
well
as
improving
working
conditions,
especially
for
people
moving
from
the
water
yard,
where
they're
currently
have
a
second
floor
conference,
room,
slash,
locker,
room
with
with
no
elevator
and
other
ada
impediments.
So
that's
a
general
breakdown
of
that
project.
L
Now,
to
address
your
your
comment
about
the
the
current
neighborhood
concerns
that
have
been
going
on
for
a
long
time,
they
have
an
alternative
plan
and
desire
for
the
site
and
property
services,
and
public
works
have
met
with
them
on
many
occasions
over
the
past
three
or
four
years
as
the
planning
has
gone
on,
we
have
tried
to
compromise
with
them.
L
At
one
point,
we
offered
them
two
acres
of
the
site
and
they,
the
the
neighborhood
group,
said
that
that
wasn't
good
enough
and
refused
to
to
work
with
us
on
on
that
compromise
and
they're
they're
asking
for,
I
believe,
three
acres,
which
would
include
part
of
the
existing
roof
depot
warehouse
building
and
would
obstruct
public
works
ability
to
gain
access
to
28th
street
for
a
second
entrance
and
exit
to
the
site.
L
L
L
So
the
plan
is
to
do
a
phase
in
there,
starting
with
the
demolition
of
that
building
and
and
temporary
capping
of
that
site
for
temporary
parking,
which
would
then
allow
us
to
move
parking
off
the
existing
site
and
start
construction
on,
in
addition
to
the
office
building
and
a
parking
structure
and
stormwater
cistern
on
the
north
half
and
then
the
next
phase
after
that
would
be
the
development
of
the
water
buildings
and
the
recruitment
and
training
center
on
the
rooftop
site.
B
Thanks
bob,
so
we
have
others
in
queue.
We
have
willie
who
hasn't
asked
a
question.
Yet
if
willie
is
still
here,
I
think
he
had
to
step
out
willie,
steve
and
then
back
to
james
and
then
I
think
time
check.
We
should
target
9
30.
I
think
for
this
this
category,
because
we
also
have
municipal
building
commission
to
get
through
before
10
20.,
so
willie
steve
james.
O
Yeah
my
question
is
this:
highway.
This
site
has
been
a
conversation,
it
would
click
for
some
time.
What
would
happen
if
you
gave
them
the
three
eight
years?
What
are
they
gonna
do
with
it
and
what
would
happen
if
you
gave
them
do
you
have
to
have
it?
I
understood
you
said
you
needed
for
that
another
building,
but
do
you
have
to
because
that
has
been
ongoing
conversation
with
click
about
that
area?
How
the
community
really
didn't
want
over
their
period.
L
Right
well,
the
city
has
procedures
for.
L
Giving
for
what
is
the
term
divesting
from
a
property
that
it's
decided,
that
it
no
longer
needs
and
that's
done
through
cped.
Typically,
it's
typically
sold
at
market
rates
and
if,
if
other
city
or
government
uses
can't
be
found
for
it,
and
so
that
would
be
a
decision
that
council
would
have
to
have
to
make
the
water
fund
the
water
enterprise
fund,
purchase
the
land
and
the
water
enterprise
fund
would
have
to
be
reimbursed
somehow
according
to
city
policies,
and
so
that
that
would
be
up
to
council.
C
K
Sorry,
I'd
like
to
not
so
much
ask
a
question
is
make
a
comment
here.
This
project
should
not
be
a
surprise
to
the
community.
The
master
plan
for
this
area
dates
back
to
the
early
90s
when
public
works
proposed
consolidating
many
of
its
activities
on
this
site.
K
I
have
been
in
the
facilities
of
the
east
yard,
where
which
would
be
moved
to
this
site,
and
it
is
in
dire
need
of
replacement.
We've
got
a
city,
his
title
is
blacksmith,
but
his
job
duty
is
actually
more
welder
doing
his
job.
On
a
wooden
floor,
we've
got
city
equipment
being
stored
in
two
19th
century
buildings,
and
I
just
think
that
it's
imperative
that
this
project
get
moving
along
with
the
hiawatha
training
recruitment
center.
K
I
know
the
community
has
seen
this
as
a
detriment,
but
it
seems
to
me
rather
than
viewing
this
as
bringing
more
vehicles
to
east
phillips.
It
might
be
appropriate
to
look
at
this
as
bringing
jobs
and
job
training
through
the
recruitment
center
to
the
neighborhood
in
a
way
that
might
benefit
as
well.
Thank
you.
B
Thanks
steve,
we
have
james
eric
and
dan.
G
I
get
my
question
is
about
2600
minnehaha,
that's
only
you
know,
I
don't
it's
a
city-owned
property
that
is
an
acre
and
a
half.
That's
about
800
feet,
or
so
from
that.
Has
there
been
any
consideration
with
that
site,
taking
over
being
able
to
do
more
at
the
water
site,
with
what
the
community's
asking
and
using
that
1.5
acre
site
on
26th
minnehaha.
L
We
have
not
done
any
planning
for
that
site.
I
know
that
that
site
was
offered
to
the
neighborhood
group
for
their
aquaponics
operation
and
they
declined.
It
was
my
understanding,
but
we
have
not
done
any
planning
for
alternatives
that
might
use
that
site
to
help
offset
use
of
of
the
site.
That's
adjacent
to
our
current
maintenance
facility.
G
Yeah,
the
only
reason
I
bring
it
up
I
mean.
Obviously
this
is
a
really
complicated
thing,
but
the
whole
roof
depot
site
is
walkable
from
a
neighborhood.
That
really
needs
a
lot
and
yeah.
Maybe
there's
maybe
there's
a
way
that
that
some
of
those
services
could
happen
at
26
and
minnie
to
be
able
to
accommodate
the
full.
G
You
know
request
of
the
neighborhood,
I
don't
know.
I
think
it's
an
important
thing,
but
I
would
love
to
see
it
a
compromise
you
made.
I
guess
so.
That's
all.
B
Okay,
thank
you
james,
eric
and
dan,
and
then,
unless
your
hands
are
back
up
again,
steve
yeah,
so
up
up
and
down.
D
Great,
thank
you
bob.
I
I
believe
you
may
have
answered
my
question.
The
roof
depot
when
purchase
and
authorized
by
the
city
council
was
specific
for
the
the
main
the
maintenance
facility
and
any
other
uses
beyond
the
maintenance
facility
requires
the
action
of
selling
off
that
piece
of
surplus
property.
That's
not
necessary
is
if
the
community
wants
to
use
it.
D
Would
the
community
purchase
whatever
property
they
want
from
the
city
in
order
to
to
have
those
other
services,
because
if
the
services
provided
by
that
property,
the
roof
depot
property,
is
not
consistent
with
what
the
council
originally
appropriated
the
money
for
then
that
would
not
be
a
legally
possible
deal
am.
Is
it
correct.
L
I
think
you're
correct
if
that
property
was
to
be
sold.
L
If
the
council
was
to
decide
what
to
sell
that
property
or
a
part
of
it,
they'd
have
to
consider
city
policies
that
are
in
place
for
selling
such
property,
and
so
normally
that
would
put
the
property
up
on
the
marketplace
and
and
not
for
sale
directly
to
a
a
particular
group.
D
B
Right
thanks
here,
dan
mcconnell
next.
P
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
and
I'll
just
encourage
the
fellow
club
members
to
the
council
on
wednesday.
I
think
it
was
at
the
pogo
meeting.
I
had
extensive
discussion
around
this
project
and
voted
eight
to
five
to
move
forward
with
it,
at
least
through
the
environmental
work
receiving
the
environmental
worksheet
right,
and
you
know
I
thought
steve
councilmember
fletcher's
comments
were
really
on
point
about
this.
There's
concerns
about
environmental
impacts
from
the
site.
P
You
know
the
current
east
side
yard
council
member
fletcher's
indicated
he
had
zero
complaints
about
any
environmental
impacts.
From
the
current
place.
P
As
steve
brandt
mentioned,
the
the
existing
facility
is
subpar
at
least,
and
holes
in
the
floor
hazardous
to
its
workers,
and
you
know
I
would
just
encourage
people
that
want
to
know
more
about
this,
to
listen
to
that
council
discussion,
because
I
think
it
you
get
a
good
sense
of
both
sides,
and
you
know
I'm
probably
on
the
side
that
would
be
in
favor
of
moving
forward
with
with
the
project.
L
You
thank
you
dan
I'll
note
that
the
environmental
worksheet
is
is
actually
being
forwarded
to
the
biz
committee
next
next
week
and
from
cpad,
so
it'll
be
discussed
at
that
meeting
as
well.
Thanks.
B
So
should
we
bob
it
looks
like
you
have
what
two
four
six
eight
seven
seven
or
eight
more
projects
to
go
over.
L
B
A
few
more
and
yeah,
let's
you
know,
I.
L
B
Can
you
just
walk
us
through
when
we
just
can
you
do
you're
doing
mpd04
and
five.
L
Sure
so,
mpd04
and
five
are
two
new
police
precinct
stations.
One
would
be
for
precinct
four
on
the
north
side
and
one
would
be
for
precinct
one
relocation
in
the
downtown
area.
Precinct
four
was
presented
last
year.
L
It
really
hasn't
changed,
there's
a
desire
to
make
it
find
a
more
central
location
in
the
precinct
for
for
it
to
better
serve
its
community
and
to
improve
conditions
there
precinct
one
is
new
and
follows
the
model
of
fire
12
for
the
downtown
fire
station
of
working
with
a
developer
to
have
them
build
to
suit
for
us
as
part
of
a
larger
development
project.
L
This
is
a
a
way
that
seems
to
work
well
for
us
in
the
downtown
area
to
allow
us
to
participate
in
larger
development
projects
to
use
land
more
wisely
downtown,
and
so
the
the
plan
that
was
shown
in
that
presentation
is
a
very,
very
highly
conceptual
plan
that
helped
us
get
to
a
conceptual
cost
estimate
so
that
we
could
propose
this
project
to
click
for
the
first
time
and
I'll
entertain
any
questions
on
it.
We
have
eric
and
then
katrina.
D
Bob
yeah
from
last
week
last
year's
click
report.
I'd
like
to
read
a
section.
I
don't
know
if
you
read
it
in
the
comment
section
regarding
mpd
facilities.
D
Okay,
I'll
read
it.
Consequently,
in
the
case
of
investments
in
the
mpd
capital
infrastructure
click
members
believe
there
is
insufficient
evidence
of
the
direction
of
public
policies
to
set
priorities.
The
range
of
possibilities
can
include
downsizing.
The
police
function,
reform,
decentralization
retraining
of
the
police
force
and
adding
supportive
non-police
workers
at
the
precincts.
L
Right,
yes,
I
am
familiar
with
that
statement
and
appreciate
it.
L
I
wouldn't
say
that
it's
been
remedied.
I
would
hope
that
that's
in
process,
but
that's
not
that's
not
in
the
hands
of
property
service
and
so
in.
L
It
has
caused
us
to
withhold
additional
capital
budget
requests
for
other
things
like
the
third
precinct
replacement
and
and
but
I
think
it
still
makes
sense
for
these
projects
to
be
on
the
capital
long-range
budget
process,
and
so
we'll
continue
to
submit
them
and
hope
that
policymakers
will
find
ways
to
support
these
projects
in
the
future
and
will
be
ready
to
reevaluate
them
as
appropriate
as
we
get
direction
from
policymakers.
B
B
N
Yeah,
sorry
about
that
was
I
mistaking
her.
Did
we
also
look
at
the
fourth
precinct.
L
That
was
one
that
was
a
a
separate
capital
budget
request
too,
that
was
submitted
last
year.
I
believe,
for
the
first
time.
N
Well,
since
I'm
not
new
on
here,
I
didn't
I
mean
I'm
really
glad
that
eric
read
through
last
year's
suggestion.
As
far
as
waiting
on
any
of
these
projects
and
living
in
ward
4
having
a
building
move
from
its
current
location
rather
than
looking
at
decentralizing,
is
really
problematic
and
for
I
think
for
this
community
to
have
such
a
you
know.
As
stated
in
the
proposal
having
such
a
huge
centralized
structure
of
police
in
a
community,
that's
already
over
policed,
I
think,
is
really
problematic.
N
So
I
think
that,
hopefully,
after
the
council
decides
what
they're
gonna
do
with
the
charter
or
the
charter
amendments
that
somebody
can
go
back
and
look
at
decentralizing
and
maybe
making
satellite
buildings
and
keeping
the
building
that's.
Currently
there
maybe
renovating
it.
I
know
from
a
carbon
standpoint,
reusing
a
building
is
now
more
appropriate
than
maybe
adding
smaller
satellites,
rather
than
some
big,
huge,
complex
and
before
precinct.
B
Okay,
we
have
oh
sorry,
katrina
whenever
you
willy
is
next.
O
I'm
here
it
was
regarding
the
preseason
four
I've
got
family
and
friends
who
live
on
north
side.
They
want
a
police
department
over
there.
They
also
talked
about
this
new
design
that
that
can
be
a
combination
of
the
community
service
building
similar
to
what
they
did,
what
they
did
with
the
precinct
over
on
by
first
avenue.
So
there
are
people
on
the
north
side
who
want
a
cop.
They
want
the
negative
behavior
to
stop,
but
they
want
a
police.
So
I
disagree
with
the
last
speaker
because
my
friends
been
over
there.
O
H
H
You
know
we're
the
capital
long-range
improvement
committee
comment
that
eric
read
makes
some
of
what
the
policy
makers
are
going
to
decide
to
do
or
not
decide
to
do
relevant
to
us,
because
clearly
you
don't
want
to
sink
a
lot
of
money,
literally
millions
of
dollars
into
buildings
and
then
discover
you're,
going
to
go
a
different
direction
and
building
not
that
function
beyond
that.
As
far
as
having
personal
opinions
about
which
direction
they
ought
to
go,
we're
all
certainly
welcomed,
but
this
is
not
the
venue
for
that.
That
is
up
to
the
policymakers.
H
We're
all
certainly
have
the
right
and
should
advocate
for
whatever
it
is.
You
believe,
but
this
form
is
not
the
place
to
discuss
that
solely
the
fact
that
they
do
need
to
make
a
decision
about
that
and
once
they
do,
then
we're
able
to
gauge
these
projects
and
the
people
that
are
presenting
on
here
today
are
not
the
people
to
to
talk
to
and
ask
for
accountability
around
that
comment.
That's
the
elected
officials.
B
So
bob
we
have
psd,
21,
22,
23,
24,
25,
radio,
2.
K
L
I'm
willing,
I
understand,
we're
we're
running
short
on
time,
I'm
willing
to
take
questions
on
any
of
the
projects.
I
understand
there
were
some
questions
on
rad02
as
well
that
I
believe
rod.
Olson
is
here
to
help
answer.
K
Well,
could
I
get
some
clarification
jeff?
I
assume
that
if
we
put
inquiries
in
the
spreadsheet
that
the
staff
would
address
them
without
us
having
to
raise
them
again
today,
I've
got
several
in
there,
but
I'd
be
glad
to
ask
them.
If
you
want
me
to
go
ahead
and
repeat
what
I've
asked
on
psd
20,
which
is
the
new
public
service
building
and
the
which
is
now
completed
in
the
city
hall
renovations
to
accommodate
the
departments
that
are
moving
in
from
other
buildings
that
the
city
plans
to
dispose
of.
K
I
just
want
to
clarify
in
april
of
2018,
quick
was
essentially
told
that
the
new
public
service
building
and
the
associated
renovations
could
be
financed
by
a
variety
of
sources
that
would
be
outside
of
the
net
debt
bond
allocation,
and
I
wanted
to
clarify
whether
the
9.4
million
that
is
now
being
sought
for
psd
20,
which
is
all
of
a
sudden
in
the
capital
budgeting
program
of
the
city
after
the
the
new
public
service
building,
basically
did
an
end
run
around
the
process.
K
K
Because
my
understanding
was
that
it
was
supposed
to
be
funded
essentially
by
the
capital
capacity,
the
bonding
capacity
freed
up
by
the
by
the
retirement,
the
library,
bonds
and
then
by,
of
course,
the
sale
of
buildings
and
some
lease
revenues
and
some
enterprise
funds.
L
I
No,
I
would,
I
would
absolutely
defer
to
the
cfo,
but
that
was
exactly
I
think
that
was
going
to
be
exactly
the
comment
you
know
we've
got,
the
we've
got
the
question
out
there.
The
project
is
coming
to
the
end
of
its
financing
plan
and
we
are
trying
to
clarify
how
much
additional
capacity
was
under
that
original
plan
and
the
resources
identified
so
very
much
a
follow-up.
B
K
Okay,
well,
the
questions
I
submitted
are
in
the
spreadsheet
and
I
wondered
if
staff
could
address
them.
Please,
on
rad02.
Q
Hi
steve,
this
is
rod
olson.
I
did
get
these
and
responded
back
not
to
you
but
through
the
process,
but
I
I
will
be
glad
to
go
through
these.
K
Well,
if
you
have
it,
maybe
you
could
just
tell
us
where
we'd
find
the
response,
and
we
could
look
at
it
red
and
save
some
time.
If
that's
okay,.
Q
Q
Q
This
need
to
move
toward
encryption
was
directed
after
it
was
found
that
communications
were
being
compromised
by
rioters
and
people.
Listening
to
the
clear
communications
that
law
enforcement
was
using
last
year,
so
number
two
define
the
encryption
encryption
on.
The
armor
radio
system
is
end
to
end,
meaning
that
specific
talk
groups
and
the
encryption
keys
need
to
be
programmed
into
each
radio
individually
so
that
only
the
radios
with
the
capabilities
in
the
programming
can
talk
to
and
hear
each
other.
Q
Q
Q
Well,
the
mobile
radios
that
we
currently
use
are
still
working
well
and
at
the
time
of
rad01,
they
were
compliant
with
the
armor
standards
and
in
a
sense
they
actually
are
as
far
as
what's
needed
is
in
the
talk
groups,
but
with
the
push
to
go
to
encrypted
communication
capabilities,
and
it's
not
just
minneapolis.
That's
doing
this.
All
law
enforcement
across
the
state
is
moving
towards
encrypted
interoperable
communications.
Q
The
city
decided
to
go
to
the
encryption
and,
with
that
timeline
to
replace
all
the
mobiles
that
are
out
in
squads,
it's
moved
up
our
transition
plan.
So
we
don't
have
that
time,
there's
more
of
an
urgency
to
get
those
radios
updated,
there's
also
an
added
cost
with
encryption
for
each
radio
that
was
not
originally
considered
in
the
rad01
project.
Q
So
the
the
presentation
asks
for
2
million
and
2
million
and
then
an
unknown
in
the
third
year,
so
the
unknown
third
year
amount
comes
from
not
currently
knowing
the
extent
of
what
the
city
wants
to
encrypt
communications
to
so
there's
kind
of
two
different
ways
to
to
do
that.
Q
Q
Also,
if
this
is
going
to
be
only
for
certain
events
and
they
will
not
be
a
part
of
it
well,
then
we
don't
have
to
upgrade
them
to
an
encrypted
level,
so
the
estimated
for
2024
would
be,
and
just
going
off
of
current
pricing
on
the
state
contract
would
be
like
one
and
a
half
million
to
2.2
million.
So,
to
give
you
an
idea
as
to
what
that
delta
might
be
there,
why
was
the
need
for
sufficient
additional
radios
not
addressed
in
red
zero
one?
Q
It
was
that
timeline,
so
we
were
planning
on
transitioning.
These
has
needed
just
doing
a
little
bit
each
year,
but
now
with
the
encryption,
it's
you
know
it's
being
pushed
forward.
B
Q
B
B
I'm
is
there
any
objection
if
the
group
runs
till
to
finish
up
this
segment
run
till
9,
40
and
that'll
still
leave
40
minutes
for
municipal
building
commission.
B
If
we
can
just
wrap
up
so
let's
go
to
eric
and
then
I
think
we
have.
If
staff
wants
to
handle
the
written
questions
submitted
in
advance,
then
we'll
see
if
there
any
other
people
in
queue.
D
D
So
if,
if
I
got
my
numbers
right
or
if
I'm
close,
my
question
is
what
types
of
financial
safeguards
have
been
implemented
at
this
point:
to
avoid
such
cost
overruns
into
the
future?
That's
a
that's
a
huge
number
and
I'm
sure
you're
investigating
how
how
we
could
be
off
by
15
percent.
C
L
I
guess
I
would
say
I'm
not
prepared
to
answer
that
question
right
now.
It's
a
very
complex
answer
that
involves
addressing
many
different
aspects
of
of
increased
cost
and
I'd
like
the
opportunity
to
work
with
my
colleagues
in
leadership
to
address
it
properly
and
just
we
don't,
we
don't
have
enough
time
to
to
get
into
that
properly.
I
think
in
this
forum,
but
we'll
definitely
put
together
a
response
and
share
it
with
the
committee
thanks
bob.
B
D
J
B
Okay,
well,
thank
you.
Members
are
there
any
further
questions
on
the
property
services.
B
Last
call
so
thank
you
to
staff
who
presented
on
public
grounds
and
facilities,
we'll
look
forward
to
your
written
follow-ups
and
then
we'll
maybe
take
thank
you,
bob
and
and
other
staff,
and
we
will
maybe
take
one
minute
just
to
get
ready
for
the
municipal
building.
Commission.
I
I
think
we're
just
taking
down
a
few
notes
following
the
the
presentation
from
the
property
services
team,
but
at
this
time
I
do
want
to
welcome
director
aaron
delaney
from
the
municipal
building
commission
who's
able
to
join
us
on
this
morning's
call.
Erin
welcome.
B
So
our
normal
practices
start
high
level
is
we
have
the
recorded
sessions
from
all
departments
and
agencies,
and
then
we
maybe
take
five
ten
minutes
to
do
a
high
level
overview.
What
you
want
to
say,
but
we're
not
going
to
replay
anything
and
then
okay,
you
know
whatever
the
key
points
are
and
then
we
segue
into
questions
and
so
we're
scheduled
till
10
20..
So
I
think
we
have
a
fair
amount
of
time,
sure
sure
for
mbc,
okay,
maybe
for
new
members
director.
B
We
maybe
because
we've
had
a
fair
number
of
new
members
appointed
that
maybe
just
not
to
be
redundant,
but
just
maybe
ensuring
that
we
do
a
high-level
overview
of
what
is
the
municipal
building
commission.
C
R
Good
morning,
click
members
again
aaron
delaney,
I'm
the
director
of
the
municipal
building
commission,
our
job
at
the
mbc
is
to
take
care
of
the
city
hall
courthouse
building
the
building
itself
is
jointly
owned
by
hennepin
county
and
the
city
of
minneapolis,
and
has
been
since
it
was
constructed
in
1891..
R
At
the
time
of
construction,
there
was
a
state
law
passed
that
said
that
the
building
would
be
cared
for
by
the
mbc
board
that
this
separate
legal
agency
would
be
carved
out
in
state
statute
and
be
charged
with
the
care
and
custody
of
the
building
were
charged
with
space
assignments
for
the
building.
Essentially,
everything
building
specific
comes
through
the
mbc
office.
R
R
The
chair
of
the
hennepin
county
board
always
serves
as
the
chair
of
the
nbc
board
and,
in
addition,
there's
a
hennepin
county
commissioner
appointment
and
in
this
case
it's
commissioner
angela
conley,
so
there's
55
mbc
total
employees,
we
office
in
city
hall,
our
our
staff
is
comprised
of
the
administrative
team,
custodial
security
and
building
trades,
so
we're
small
and
we're
generalists.
We
get
involved
in
a
lot
of
different
areas
of
the
building.
B
I
think
that's
great
and,
of
course,
you've
been
willing
in
the
past
to
give
tours
yes,
the
facility
to
click
members,
including
the
clock
tower
and
the
sub
basement,
and,
yes,
all
the
other
interesting
places
and
yes
well,
someday
someday.
You
will
again
be
having
another
recognition
of
of
the
facility's
age
and
historic
nature.
B
R
You
we're
eager
to
restart
our
tour
tour
program,
and
we
just
decided
this
morning
too,
to
move
forward
with
the
carillon
bell
concert
again:
that's
something
else
that
is
part
of
the
mbc,
the
bells
that
are
in
the
fourth
street
tower
of
the
building
those
come
through
the
nbc
those
concerts
so
jeff
should
I
should
I
walk
through
my
slides
or
just.
B
R
Okay,
now
do
you
want
me
to
share
the
slides,
or
should
I
keep
up
what
you
guys
have?
What's
your
preference.
R
Oh
okay,
okay,
so
is
it
appropriate
for
you
to
relinquish
and
then
I
can
pull
up
the
slides.
I
Justin
carlson
has
control
of
the
presentation,
but
I
believe
we
should
be
able
to
share
justin.
Please
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
because
I
don't
want
to.
J
R
Shoot
why
don't
I
quickly
send
you
these
this
powerpoint
and
then
I
can.
I
can
start
the
I
can
start
talking
through
it.
B
You
know
director
fellaini,
we've,
you
know,
teams,
we
all
know
from
working
with
teams
and
zoom
yeah
this
past
year
and
what
two
months
that
it
always
you
know
you
know
there
always
are
some
issues,
and
so,
if
we
can
just
have
justin
bring
up
the
cbr
and
we
can
just
look
at
mbc01
and
then,
if
you're
kind
enough
to
share
the
powerpoint
with
the
group,
we'll
put
it
into
our
sharepoint
sure,
sir
now
in
a
sharepoint
application.
So.
R
P
R
Have
the
oh
okay,
mechanical
life
safety?
Okay,
we
have
both
mbc01
is
life.
Safety
and
nbc02
is
the
mechanical
program.
We
have
worked
on
this
program
for
almost
23
years.
R
R
Okay,
exterior
improvements
has
been
ongoing.
We
have
recently
completed
phase
two
if
you've
been
downtown
lately,
you've
seen
a
lot
of
scaffolding
on
the
fifth
street
side
of
the
building
that
is
related
to
exterior
improvements.
R
Phase
three
for
this
project
is
the
interior
facade
of
the
building
and
we're
requesting
funding
in
2024,
so
we're
cueing
that
up
in
a
couple
in
a
couple
more
years
to
complete
this
project.
D
Hi,
I
may
be
looking
at
this
wrong,
but
I
don't
see
any
requests
in
2024.
I
see.
2022
is
the
last
year
for
funding.
S
R
Exterior
improvements,
we
have
a
request
for
seven
point:
three
million
dollars
in
2024
to
start
phase
three
of
this
project.
B
R
Okay,
the
city,
that's
a
great
question.
Thank
you.
The
city
hall,
courthouse
building
is
actually
a
donut
in
the
sense
that
the
inside
of
our
building
is
hollow.
There's
a
courtyard
there's,
a
green
roof
there's
a
mezzanine
level,
but
there
is
walls
and
roofs
on
the
interior
of
our
building
that
you
actually
can't
see
from
the
exterior
again
I'd
love
to
have
you
come
on
site
and
you
can
see
it
from
interior
windows.
R
You
can
see
the
interior
courtyard
of
the
building
and
that's
the
exterior
repairs
we
need
to
make
to
the
interior
of
the
building.
B
Good
john
and
then
eric.
H
Thanks
yeah,
so
I
have
a
funding
question
that
relates
the
three
of
your
five
projects:
nbc
one
two
and
ten.
R
H
And
I'm
gonna
just
give
folks
a
little
bit
of
background
before
I
dive
into
this.
So
nbc
has
had
a
history
with
us
going
back
a
long
way
before
the
current
employee
or
staff
that
that
are
presenting
today,
of
not
being
the
best
about
doing
long-range
planning
in
terms
of
the
request
that
they
make
one
year
changing
pretty
dramatically
sometimes
from
year
to
year
and
to
be
fair,
part
of
that
has
nothing
to
do
with
poor
planning
on
the
part
of
the
people
involved.
H
H
I
think
that's
important
to
to
note
that
in
this
case,
but
at
the
same
time
it
does
feel
like
sometimes
some
of
the
changes
in
planning
that
happen
are
not
always
related
to
that,
and
and
so
my
question,
and
I
think
I've
read
these
right.
R
John,
I
I
think
you
raise
a
good
question.
Thank
you.
I
I
another
part
to
this
is
the
partnership
now
that
I
talked
about
that
we
have
with
the
city
for
nbc01
and
nbc02
that
really
pushed
it
as
a
priority
for
us,
so
we
had
to
significantly
increase
the
funding
for
that
and
and
quite
frankly,
the
workload.
H
R
No
john,
let's
start
with
10
exterior
improvements.
I
moved
that
out
to
2024
a
request
in
2024,
because
I
have
a
capacity
issue.
I
need
to
focus
on
oh
1
and
02
and
you're
right.
We
upped
the
increase
for
01
and
02,
and
yes,
it
is
our
plan
with
the
city
that
we
will
not
be
back
after
2023
for
money
that
our
final
request
is
2022
for
mechanical
and
life
safety.
R
H
R
Well,
it's
a
large
request
right,
it's
about
seven
million
dollars
for
2024.,
I'm
not
willing
to
commit
to
that.
Yet
there's
a
lot
of
work
in
the
interior,
so
I
can't
commit
to
that.
I
know
I
don't
I
don't
think
we
put
anything
out
in
2025.
Did
we.
H
R
H
R
Yeah,
no
you're
right,
that's
a
good
point!
John!
You
know
I
I'm
also
just
going
to
say
it's.
It's
also
a
capacity
issue
for
administration.
You
know
that
the
planning
and
the
timing
is
is
very
important.
It's
it's
something.
We
struggle
with
trying
to
balance
everything
else
that
we
have
going
on.
So
I
I
hear
what
you're
saying
john
and
you
you
raise
a
good
point
and
we
need
to
improve
on
it.
H
R
B
Thanks,
john
and
steve
is
next.
K
Thank
you,
aaron
I'd
like
to
ask
you
about
a
question:
that's
been
on
nbc's
list
in
the
past.
It
isn't
this
year
and
that's
the
mayor's
reception
room.
Obviously,
that's
been
viewed
as
a
frill
in
comparison
to
all
these
very
basic
building.
Maintenance
needs,
and
now
is
not
a
good
time
to
take
on
a
project
like
that,
with
both
the
city
and
the
county
in
an
austerity
mode.
K
But
I
wanted
to
ask
whether
that
project
is
dead,
whether
you
see
any
outside
funding
possibilities
for
it
or
use
of
revenue
from
the
rental
of
the
building,
once
we
get
back
to
renting
buildings
for
functions
and
or
is
it
gone
for
good.
R
Okay,
thank
you
steve.
I
appreciate
that
question.
No,
the
project
is
not
gone.
If
you
will,
it
is
part
of
phase
two
of
the
existing
mechanical
life
safety
work,
we're
doing
the
level
of
historic
restoration
preservation
has
been
scaled
back
significantly,
the
building
or
the
room
itself
will.
We
won't
certainly
harm
any
of
the
historic
aspects
we
spent
some
time
on
paint,
colors
and
carpeting
to
replicate
the
historic
charm
of
that
room.
R
We
also
intend
to
use
some
historic
pieces
that
we
found
in
the
building
to
decorate
in
that
room,
to
try
to
again
to
try
to
keep
the
charm.
It
will
be
an
active
usable
conference,
room
for
the
city
hall,
courthouse,
building
and
and
folks
this
this
room,
we're
talking
about
is
just
it's.
On
the
first
floor,
as
you
walk
in
on
fifth
street,
you
go
to
your
left
and
the
conference
room
is
right
there
and
it
will
be
adjoined
to
the
minneapolis
fire
department
will
now
be
in
that
corner
of
the
building.
R
Yes,
the
events
program
has
been
on
hiatus.
You
know
now
we're
on
13
months
of
a
hiatus
we
intend
and
want
to
reinvigorate
that
program
when
it's
safe
and
productive.
R
We
do
have
historic
preservation
fund
money
as
a
result
of
that
program.
Members
of
click,
any
proceeds
from
that
program
are
deposited
in
a
specific
account
for
historic
restoration
and
it's
our
intent
to
continue
with
that
steve
as
well.
So
fingers
crossed
we're
working
on
some
ideas
for
the
board
to
look
at
this
summer
on
implementing
a
new
catering
and
events
program.
B
You
did,
and
so,
since
you
I
put
myself
in
the
queue
since
you
mentioned,
events
is
the
nbc
an
eligible
entity
for
the
shuttered
events,
blah
blah
blah
federal
program
out
of
the
probably
the
american
rescue
plan
act
and
then.
Secondly,
I
do
have
another
question
is
this?
Is
this
is
totally
apolitical?
It
could
be
any
major
political
party,
but,
as
you
know
this
year,
precinct
caucuses
and
some
parties
are
virtual
still
because
we're
coming
out
of
covid
with
vaccinations,
but
2022
again
will
be
a
major
election
year.
B
Statewide
and
precinct
caucuses
are
in
statute
and
as
a
person
who
has
worked
on
organizing
those
and
getting
spaces
in
downtown
downtown
spaces
are
difficult
to
find,
and
so,
and
there
is
a
law
that
says
that
public
facilities
have
to
give
the
political
parties
the
lowest
rate
given
to
anyone,
and
so
is
there
space
in
the
municipal
building,
and
I
would
ask
the
same
thing
for
the
new
public
service
building
for
the
community,
for
the
major
parties
to
get
space
for
these
political
precinct
caucuses.
That
residents
gather
for
in
2022.
R
Thank
you,
jeff
I'll
start
with
your
first
question,
and
that
is
if
the
mbc
is
eligible
for
any
financial
programming
due
to
shuttered
events.
We
are
researching
that
I
have
asked
the
county
attorney's
office
to
assist
me
in
that
to
see
if
we're
eligible
and
or
it's
appropriate,
for
us
to
pursue
any
of
that
programming,
we
have
not
to
date,
jeff
found
a
program
that
is
appropriate
for
the
nbc
to
apply
for
the
second
piece
is,
I
am
always
available
for
more
conversations
about
making
the
space
available
to
members
of
the
public.
R
I'm
intrigued
by
that.
I
have
not
had
that
request
before
about
precinct
caucuses,
and
you
know
what
the
layout
would
involve
and
all,
but
I'd
be
happy
to
talk
with
you
further
about
that
yeah
I
mean
we
want
to
show
off
the
building.
We
want
people
in
there,
and
so
I
think
maybe
we
can.
We
can
talk
about
that
and
again
that
would
be
open
to
any
event.
C
R
T
R
Facility
safety
improvements,
non-stage
work.
This
is
again
life
safety
improvements
in
the
building
that
are
not
in
those
assigned
stages
that
I
referenced
earlier.
R
The
areas
in
this
project
are
non-assigned
areas
such
as
the
rotunda
hallways
staircases,
the
attic
the
work
included
in
this
project
is
life
safety
work
as
installing
the
sprinkler
system,
smoke
barriers,
all
types
of.
R
H
I
think
this
I
don't
know
if
this
is
a
question
for
aaron
or
robert,
if
this
is
more
of
a
how
this
is
showing
up
on
the
cbrs,
I
just
want
to
confirm
that
I'm
reading
this
correctly
and
this
especially
for
some
of
the
new
members-
it's
not
totally
clear
if
you
look
under
funding
for-
and
this
applies
to
all
of
the
nbc
projects.
I
think
it's
already
been
mentioned
that
the
city
pays
50
percent
on
these
projects
and
the
county,
the
other
50.
H
I
believe
what
we're
seeing
on
the
cbrs
is
the
total,
the
full
cost
of
these,
and
in
fact
the
cities
only
got
half
of
that,
and
that
would
be
that
what's
listed
as
bond
activity
is
the
city
and
what's
listed
as
inter
governmental
revenues
is
the
county,
and
so
what
you
see
for
the
total
is
the
full
cost,
but
we're
on
the
city's.
Only
in
for
half
of
that
is
that
am
I
reading
that
accurately.
H
So
when
aaron
said
for
back
on
the
project,
we
were
talking
about
a
few
minutes
ago,
nbc
10
when
she
says
7
million
the
shitty
piece
of
that
is
half
of
that.
D
R
L
B
R
R
We
want
to
make
some
upgrades
to
the
fourth
street
entrance,
the
public
sidewalk
in
front
of
the
fourth
street
entrance
of
the
building,
at
the
same
time
that
the
city's
coming
through
the
corridor
and
replacing
4th
street.
We
asked
for
money
last
year
and
we
didn't
receive
any
money
from
the
city.
We
did,
however,
receive
funding
from
hennepin
county
for
this
work.
R
R
The
click
request
is
a
150
000
and
again
the
county
has
already
committed
to
that
150
000,
so
the
total
project
cost
we're
asking
for
is
300
000..
So
I
am
hopeful
that
members
of
click
will
see
the
value
of
this
request.
D
Okay,
okay,
this
has
to
do
with
all
of
nbc.
I'm
not
seeing
very
much
in
the
way
of
investment
in
security
systems
are
and-
and
I'm
I'm
speaking
of
things
like
metal
detectors.
D
R
You
know
eric
I'm
going
to
take
a
step
back
and
say
it's
our
goal,
obviously,
to
provide
a
safe
environment
for
all
employees
and
members
of
the
public.
It
is
a
broader
policy
discussion
that
is
ongoing
with
the
city
of
minneapolis
leadership
and
hennepin
county
leadership
as
to
whether
some
type
of
detection
is
appropriate
for
city
hall,
we
are
at
the
table
with
those
discussions
eric.
So
I
think
I
think
we'll
hear
more
about
that
work
as
we
move
forward.
D
R
R
N
Hi,
so
my
big
question
well,
I'd
have
a
couple
of,
but
the
big
question
is
on
this
fourth
street
entrance.
N
You
know,
because
I
look
at
it
in
this
plan
or
in
this,
drawing
that
if
the
kind
of
art
in
public
places
could
be
integrated
into
seeing
this,
it
would
be
a
much
more
attractive
presentation
if,
instead
of
just
the
concrete
ballards,
we
actually
had
maybe
concrete
sculptures
and
instead
of
just
the
concrete
benches
things
like
that,
especially
in
this
entrance
would
really
be
motivating
a
motivating
factor
because
they
could
also
integrate
that
whole
art
in
public
places
sounds
a
little
frivolous,
but
when
you
can
spend
money
on
art
at
the
same
time
for
security,
it
just
enhances
it.
R
T
Hi,
yes,
this
is
actually
to
comment
on
what
eric
was
or
saying
provide
some
context.
So
I
worked
in
city
hall
for
a
number
of
years
and
had
learned
that
the
reason
why
city
hall
doesn't
have-
or
so
our
city
hall
does
not
have
metal
detectors
and
such
things
compared
to
that
in
saint
paul
and
compared
to
the
hennepin
county
government
center,
is
that
we
don't
have
courts
within
our
city
hall
building.
So
that's
one
of
the
reasons
behind.
T
R
I
yeah
no
katie.
Thank
you.
There's
there's
lots
of
different
issues
to
address
with
detection
and
there
is
again
a
current
work
team
put
together
to
talk
about
those
exact
issues.
K
Okay,
I
have
a
question
about
the
fourth
street
project,
but
I
do
want
to
maybe
preface
it
with
a
comment
city
hall
near
the
fourth
street
entrance
as
the
sheriff's
office
right
around
the
corner
near
the
fifth
street
ensign
entrance
that
has
the
police
department
headquarters
right
around
the
corner.
So
it's
not
like
there's
no
security
there
at
all,
and
I
would
like
to
ask
aaron
with
a
wider
sidewalk,
which
I
generally
support.
K
We
also
have
the
issue
of
police
cars,
perennially
parked
double
parked
and
maybe
even
triple
parked
in
front
of
the
fourth
street
side,
and
I'm
just
worried.
I've
just
wondered
the
extent
to
which
traffic
flow
has
been
analyzed
because
it
seems
like
it
would
have
the
potential
to
neck
down
that
section
of
fourth,
which
is
maybe
good
from
a
traffic
calming
standpoint,
but
not
necessarily
good
from
a
traffic
flow
standpoint.
R
Steve
again,
I
I
truly
appreciate
that
question
because
it
is,
it
is
a
problem.
Around
city
hall
enforcement
vehicles
parked
double
parked.
I
know
that
the
city
public
works
department
has
diligently
worked
on
this
replacement
corridor
project
and
has
taken
that
into
consideration.
R
It's
my
understanding
that
the
the
fourth
street
will
now
go
down
to
two
lanes
total
one
going
one
way,
the
other
going
the
other
way.
Obviously
there
will
be
a
bike
lane
not
in
front
of
city
hall,
but
rather
on
the
north
east
side
of
the
street,
then
in
front
of
city
hall
directly
in
front
of
city
hall.
The
plan
at
this
point
is
to
have
a
parking
bay.
R
Questions
are
our
colleagues
in
city.
Public
works
could
answer
very
thoroughly
for
you.
K
Okay,
I'm
giving
even
more
pause
by
your
answer,
because
if
there's
only
one
lane
headed
toward
a
freeway
entrance,
that
seems
a
little
insufficient
as
well
as,
of
course,
taking
into
account
that
there
are
often
large
crowds
in
normal
times
at
the
stadium.
R
R
B
D
Yeah
at
one
point,
the
sheriff's
office
used
that
building
for
jailing
for,
for
the
whole,
the
holding
of
people
are
they
still
doing
it
there
and,
if
not,
has
that
been
moved
to
the
new
public
service
building,
because
that
would
certainly
be
a
reason
for
security
to
be
enhanced
in
the
building.
Thank
you.
R
R
B
All
right
time
check
10
12,
so
we
perhaps
should
cover
the
nbc
15
and
16.
R
Okay,
nbc
16:
this
is
a
new
project.
Members
of
qlik.
We
are
looking
for
some
design,
a
knit
well
518
000
from
click
for
2022.
This
is
a
new
project
to
upgrade
the
three
electrical
systems
in
the
building.
R
This
project
is
new
again
and
it
what
it
started.
It
was
some
electrical
work
we
had
to
do
in
the
adc,
that's
the
jail
in
our
building
that
morphed
into
a
building-wide
electrical
upgrade
when
it
became
clear
that
we,
some
of
our
systems,
were
more
outdated
than
had
been
originally
aware
that
we
than
we
had
originally
been
aware
of.
R
So
this
is
a
large,
comprehensive
project
building
wide
again
electrical
upgrades
panel
boards
circuits
conductors
a
lot
of
the
equipment
is
beyond
life
expectancy
and
we
need
to
bring
the
building
up
to
be
in
compliant
with
the
national
electrical
code.
H
Raised
so
this
is
a
question
that
applies
to
several
of
these
several
of
these
projects,
but
16
would
be
part
of
it.
I'm
wondering
if
timing
of
money
of
the
request
is
any
more
time
sensitive
than
usual
as
a
result
of
people
being
moved
around
with
the
new
building,
opening
and
other
buildings,
closing,
etc.
H
R
H
R
H
R
Absolutely
right
right
right
and
that
you
know
again,
john!
That's
why
nbc01
and
o2
you
know
our
first
two
priorities
and
we're
telling
click
and
we're
telling
cbtf
as
well
the
county
equivalent
that
we
need
this
funding
to
stay
current
with
the
city's
work.
B
H
So
this
is
sort
of
a
broader
question
for
again
for
folks
that
are
new.
This
is
not
the
first
request
for
money
to
upgrade
elevators
in
the
building.
There
used
to
be
a
project
called
mbc
11
that
dealt
with
a
bunch
of
the
elevators
in
the
building.
So
my
question
to
you
is:
is
this
the
last
elevator
that
needs
to
be
upgraded
and
if
not,
instead
of
having
a
a
project,
that's
specific
to
one
elevator?
R
Sure,
yes,
yes,
and
I
hope
john
you
get
a
chance
to
see
the
slides
I
presented,
because
that's
one
of
the
first
sentences
I
say
is
that
this
is
one
of
the
last
elevators
that
we
believe
we
need
to
work
on.
At
this
point,
it's
the
last
elevator
of
the
modernization
program
and
you
referred
to
that
program
as
nbc11.
R
You
know
the
the
change
from
a
comprehensive
program
to
include
all
elevators
was
driven
by
the
capital
funding
staff
to
say:
okay,
wait
now
we
want
you
to
separate
out
all
these
elevators
as
opposed
to
one
elevator
project,
which
is
fine.
It's
just
a
different
way
of
presenting
the
work.
R
I
will
say
that
this
final
elevator
number
12
is
was
located
previously
in
city
space
and
now
that
that
department
has
moved
out
property
and
evidence
this
elevator
12
now
becomes
available
for
building
wide
use,
as
opposed
to
department-specific
use.
This
is
in
the
southwest
corner
of
the
building
this
elevator.
R
H
So
I
I
did
see
the
presentation,
but
the
way
it's
worded
it's
into
the
way
you
just
said
it:
it's
not
totally
clear
again
so
there.
This
was
an
elevator
that
you're
aware
of
that
for
a
series
of
reasons
wasn't
one
that
was
being
contemplated
for
modernization
and
then
a
change
occurred
that
changed
that
so
my
question
is:
are
there
any
other
elevators
useful
or
not
useful,
in
the
building
that
are
not
up
to
that?
That
could
potentially
need
to
be
upgraded.
If
some
change
occurred
in
the
future.
R
I
would
say
no
that
there
are
not
additional
elevators
now.
You
know
there's
13
total
elevators.
So
if
something
it's
been
now
what
15
17
years
since
we've
done
the
interior
court
elevators.
So
you
know
like
everything
the
shift
keeps
going
around,
but
no
at
this
point
after
this
elevator,
then
we've
got
two
elevators
in
the
adc
that
we're
working
on,
but
the
city
is
not
responsible
for
that
funding.
B
E
B
Good
and
looking
forward
to
when
it's
safe
to
do
so
having
the
building
tours.
B
You
know,
and
it's
great
to
learn
that
you
have
these
exciting
beautiful
conference
rooms
available.
Yes,
for
volunteer
advisory
committees
like
click,
so
they
don't
have
to
meet
in
these
interior
windowless
rooms
absolutely
for
their
task
force
meetings
when,
when
those
resume
yeah
yeah.
But
thank
you
very
much
for
participating
and
presenting.
B
R
B
I
B
Good
morning,
everyone
welcome
mary,
so
we'll
we'll
start
with
art,
01
art
in
public
places,
from
the
cped
department
and
then
after
that,
we'll
move
to
the
park
board,
and
it
was
noted
that
adam
arvidsson
is
here
as
well.
V
Good
morning,
chair
strand,
I
received
some
questions
in
writing
yesterday
and
I
could
start
by
addressing
those.
If
you
want
me
to.
B
V
Members,
great
I'll,
open
my
presentation
and
just
share
my
screen.
Actually,
that
might
actually
be
also
a
good
way
for
me
to
address
some
of
those
questions.
At
the
same
time,.
C
V
V
V
So
I
just
want
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
art
and
public
places
and
how
it
differs
from
the
city's
other
arts
programs
so
because
I
did
get
some
questions
yesterday
that
were
really
great
and
and
very
passionate
and
about
the
arts,
and
I
think
sometimes
it's
it.
It's
not
clear.
The
city's
arts
programming
in
general
isn't
very
clear
to
the
general
public,
so
art
and
public
places
is
the
city's
public
art
program
that
commissions
permanent
works
of
art.
V
This
is
just
one
of
the
city's
arts
programs.
The
city
has
other
arts
programs
out
of
the
city
coordinator's
office,
the
off
in
the
office
of
arts,
culture
and
the
creative
economy.
It
also
the
public
art
program
involves
commissions
of
permanent
artworks.
It
also
involves
other
activities
like
the
maintenance
of
those
artworks.
V
V
The
because
the
source
of
funding
is
the
net
debt
bond.
We
are
required
to
do
permanent
works
of
art
with
these
through
art
in
public
places,
and
that
means
that
the
artworks
need
to
have
a
life
span.
That
is
longer
than
the
time
that
it
takes
to
pay
the
bonds
off
generally.
Our
goal
is
to
have
artworks
with
a
minimum
lifespan
of
25
years,
so
I
just
wanted
to
touch
on
that.
V
V
It
starts
with
a
planning
process
and
there
is
a
community-based
steering
committee
and
and
the
staff
and
the
steering
committee
do
some
research
related
to
the
project
oftentimes.
They
do
some
initial
community
engagement
and
then
they
conduct
an
artist
selection
process
and
we
do
a
call
for
artists
and
an
independent
selection
panel
picks
the
artists.
V
Then
the
selected
artist
works
with
the
steering
committee
to
do
further
engagement
and
the
engagement
for
each
project
is
tailored
to
that
community
to
their
needs
and
to
the
site.
So
we
do
a
broad
range
of
community
engagement,
but
it
really
varies
from
project
to
project
and
the
community
and
the
steering
committee
give
the
artist
input
on
the
design
as
it
develops
once
the
design
is
cooked,
so
to
speak.
V
It
goes
through
some
technical
reviews,
but
the
designs
are
reviewed
by
art,
an
art
conservator,
to
make
sure
that
the
design
is
something
that
we
can
maintain
and
then
the
design
is
approved
by
both
the
city's
public
art
advisory
panel
and
the
arts.
Commission,
then
the
fabrication
takes
place
and
the
artist
might
fabricate
the
artwork
or
the
artwork
might
be
fabricated
by
others
or
both
depending
on
the
the
project
and
also
on
the
artist's
preferences.
V
So
this
is
just
a
slide
that
shows
a
little
bit
about
the
process
from
engagement
this
this
year
we
used
a
lot
of
lawn
signs,
I'm
on
site
for
engagement.
We
did
a
lot
of
social
distance
engagement.
We
did
a
lot
of
zoom
engagement,
but
you
can
also
see
some
of
the
artists
design
concepts.
These
are
the
artist
design
concepts
for
an
artwork
along
the
green
crescent,
and
this
is
by
javier
antina
tavera.
V
V
We
have
spent
a
lot
of
time
and
effort
and
had
a
lot
of
special
projects
over
the
last
10
years
that
are
really
focused
on
developing
the
capacity
of
emerging
artists
to
do
public
art
projects.
We've
had
projects
that
have
focused
on
emerging
artists
and
provided
training,
additional
training
to
artists,
as
well
as
coaching
and
additional
staff
support
and
staff
time.
Currently,
over
half
of
the
artists
under
contract
are
artists
of
color
or
indigenous
folks,
and
usually
it's
more
than
half.
V
V
V
September,
I
think
that's
my
five
minutes.
So
would
you
like
me
here
strand,
would
you
like
me
to
then
move
to
the
written
questions
I
got
yesterday.
V
So
I'm
gonna
stop
sharing
my
screen.
V
So
I
I,
as
I
said,
I
received
some
really
good
great
questions
yesterday
and
so
one
of
the
things
I
wanted
to
clarify
a
number
of
the
questions
really
related
to
general
city
arts
activities
and
not
the
art
and
public
places
program,
which
is
the
commissioning
program
that
commissions
permanent
works
of
art
for
the
city.
V
And
so
I
wanted
to
clarify
that
in
my
opening
remarks
and
the
different,
the
difference
between
art
and
public
places
and
other
things
that
we
do
in
terms
of
the
questions
I
got
yesterday,
I'm
going
to
focus
most
of
my
answers
as
they
relate
to
art
in
public
places.
But
I
also
put
together
a
written
document
that
answers
the
questions
that
relate
more
directly
to
other
city
arts
efforts
going
on.
V
And
I
just
also
wanted
to
say
that
the
city
council
is
currently
considering
consolidating
all
art
staff
into
one
department
and
increasing
funding
to
the
arts
and
to
the
public
art
pro
increasing
public
art
staff,
and
they
are
they.
Are
they
have
a
public
hearing
about
the
ordinance
to
create
this
department
at
the
end
of
may?
So?
The
person
who
asked
these
questions
of
me
yesterday
wants
more
information
about
that
effort.
V
V
So
the
the
question
I
got
yesterday
was
related
to
the
city
goal
of
minneapolis
is
a
growing
and
vibrant
world-class
city,
with
a
flourishing
economy
and
a
pristine
environment
where
all
people
are
safe,
healthy
and
have
equitable
opportunities
for
success
and
happiness,
and
the
person
said
to
me
to
achieve
this
reference
statement.
There
needs
to
be
a
lot
more
money,
budgeted
for
art
and
public
places.
V
Having
lots
of
artistic
expression
in
lots
of
places
spread
around
the
city
will
create
what
some
already
think
we
have,
and
so
I
think
I've
already
said
this,
but
as
as
I
just
explained,
there's
more
money
for
the
arts
in
the
city
budget
than
just
the
art
and
public
places
budget
that
and
we,
the
council,
is
considering
this
ordinance
to
create
a
department
with
increased
funding.
V
I
just
also
want
to
point
out
that
the
current
ordinance
for
art
in
public
places
states
that
the
city
will
allocate
a
minimum
of
1.5
of
the
net
that
bond
click
can
allocate
more
if
click
wants
to
the
mayor
can
also
allocate
more
and
the
council
can
allocate
more
as
you
as
you
know,
personally
for
2022.
V
I
think
we
have
more
than
adequate
funding,
because
we
do
have
a
pretty
strong,
unspent
balance
and
so
and
that's
because
we
have
been
doing
a
lot
of
work
on
the
new
public
service
building,
we
haven't
had
an
increase
in
staff
in
order
to
accomplish
that
work,
and
so
we're
you
know
we're
behind,
but
we
have
completed
most
of
the
work
at
the
public
service
building,
and
so
we
really
will
be
focusing
in
the
next
year
on
getting
getting
all
of
these
dollars
committed
to
new
projects.
V
So
I
think
for
2022
we're
actually
doing
pretty
good.
Of
course
you
can
always
increase
it
beyond
2022.
If
you
want.
V
V
We
actually
have
artists
working
from
juxtaposition,
arts
right
now,
looking
at
the
upper
harbor
and
identifying
public
art
opportunities
in
the
upper
harbor
project,
including
the
dowling
bridge,
I'm
pretty
sure
that
the
upper
harbor
will
be
a
public
art
site
at
some
time,
just
like
I'm
pretty
sure
the
kmart
site
will
be
a
public
art
site.
Sometimes
these
are
some
of
the
city's
biggest
investments
and
most
high
highly
visible
projects,
and
so
they
will
likely
be
selected
for
public
art.
Let's
see.
V
V
I
just
want
to
highlight
that
again
we
are
limited
to
doing
permanent
works
through
these
dollars,
the
net
debt
bond
dollars,
and
I
recognize
that
the
word
collection
is
a
traditional
term.
We
use
it
to
refer
to
the
artworks
that
the
city
owns
and
the
city
owns
90,
artworks
right
now
that
the
city
has
commissioned
over
the
years
and
that
we
are
responsible
for
these
are
not
really
monetary
assets
and,
in
fact,
they're,
probably
technically
financial
liabilities.
V
In
that
the
cost
of
maintaining
the
artwork
and
commissioning
the
artwork
is
considerably
higher
than
the
value
we
would
get.
If
we
tried
to
sell
any
of
these
artworks-
and
most
of
these
artworks
are-
are
unsellable
anyways
because
of
the
scale
and
the
fact
that
it
would
be
hard
to
get
anybody
to
want
to
take
on
an
artworks
as
the
size
as
the
size
as
the
same
size
as
these
works.
V
V
V
We
dedicated
three
works
in
2019,
as
I
said,
we're
working
with
juxta
right
now
in
the
upper
harbor,
which
is
actually
in
north
minneapolis,
but
that
project
is
not
funded
through
art
and
public
places.
So
it's
not
on
the
art
and
public
places
map
and
I
think
of
the
six
to
eight
new
sites
that
are
going
to
be
selected
in
late
summer
by
the
public
art
advisory
panel
and
the
arts
commission.
I
think
at
least
one
of
those
will
be
in
north
minneapolis.
V
I
wouldn't
be
surprised
if
more
than
one,
even
maybe
more
than
two
out
of
those
are
in
north
minneapolis,
it's
pretty
common
for
us
to
have
works
in
north
minneapolis
and
then
finally,
the
last
question.
I
wasn't
quite
sure
it
is.
How
can
we
artify
neighborhoods
using
public
projects,
and
so
I
think
I
need
to
understand
a
little
bit
more
about
that
question
before
I
can
use
it
or
answer
it.
B
So
we
can
go
to
eric
and
then
katrina
and
then
why
don't
we
have
the
person
follow
up
on
the?
How
do
we
artify
neighborhoods,
so
eric
and
katrina.
D
Hi
mary,
thank
you
for
your
presentation,
a
question
I'd
like
to
dig
a
little
deeper
into
the
upper
harbor
terminal
for
a
moment,
so
your
development
cycle
is
you
mentioned
three
years
typically.
C
D
So,
in
order
to
to
synchronize
with
what
is
planned
for
the
upper
harbor
terminal,
if
you
wait
for
the
the
the
development
to
be
completed
before
working
on
art,
you're
gonna
be
out
there,
maybe
seven
or
eight
years
in
terms
of
delivering
art.
Is
there
the
op
the
the
option
for
you
to
be
working
with
the
architects,
so
that
there
is
some
some
conceptual
harmony
between
the
art
that
you're
going
to
be
delivering
with
the
concept
of
whatever
they're
building
down
there.
V
Thank
you
for
the
question.
That's
actually
our
goal
is
to
work
to
select
the
project
early
enough
to
work
with
the
architects
and
designers.
One
of
the
things
we
really
have
been
doing
is
watching
the
timeline
for
upper
harbor
and
there
are
several
different
opportunities
for
upper
harbor
in
terms
of
collaboration.
V
There's
a
current
infrastructure
project
that
is
underway
and
that's
actually
what
juxtaposition
is
working
on.
They
are
collaborating
with
stantec
the
firm
that
is
designing
the
infrastructure
to
figure
out
which
what
types
of
artworks
couldn't
be
integrated
into.
What's
getting
built
and
that's
likely,
paving
or
possibly
a
railing
for
the
dowling
bridge.
V
I
think
we,
as
a
city
expect
the
developer
to
come
to
the
table
with
some
public
art
projects
and
and
not
use
city
funds
directly
for
that
kind
of
work,
and
then
I
think
this
will
also
be
a
site
where
there
might
be
an
opportunity
to
do
works
that
are
not
necessarily
integrated
into
what's
getting
built,
but
some
some
pieces
that
are
standalone
pieces
that
might
be
gateways
so
to
speak
so
working
looking
at
the
timeline
and
how
that
works,
and
whether
or
not
one
of
the
projects
that's
selected,
this
fall
is
actually
the
upper
harbor
is
to
be
determined,
but
we've
been
monitoring
the
timing
and
trying
to
make
sure
we
get
in
the
door
at
the
right
time.
V
It
hasn't
been
selected
for
a
project
yet
because
the
panel
was
concerned
last
year
that
the
infrastructure
is
going
in
first
right.
So
if
we
build
a
lot
of
art
out
there
with
the
infrastructure,
the
art's
going
to
be
out
there
all
by
itself,
there's
not
going
to
be
any
buildings,
there's
not
really
going
to
be
an
audience
yet
so
they
didn't
want
to
put
the
art
in
too
early,
but
we're
aware
of
the
timing
issues
and
I
think
it'll
it's
going
to
be
really
hard
for
upper
harbor
to
not
get
picked.
D
B
N
Hi
mary
thanks
for
your
explanations
and
one
of
the
things
I
wanted
to
ask.
I
used
to
live
in
a
large
city
that
numerator,
where
you
went
in
front
of
every
building.
There
were
sculptures
and
permanent
art,
and
it
it
made
the
city
just
appear
more
approachable
and
fun,
and
is
there
is
there
a
value
of
like
the
more
permanent
sculptures
you
have
the
higher
the
city's
valued?
N
V
I
I
think
that
there
there
is
there's
a
general
belief
that
public
art
can
really
be
a
destination
and
when
there
are
places
where
there
are
clusters
of
public
artworks,
that
people
can
walk
to
and
that
really
help
support
the
vibrancy
of
a
community
that
it
does
draw
visitors
and
you
know,
add
to
one
of
those.
It
can
be
one
of
those
benefits
that
really
can
make
a
place,
a
vibrant
place
that
people
want
to
visit
and
live
where
they
want
to
live
too.
V
V
We
are
clearly
behind
some
of
the
larger
cities
who
have
had
percent
for
art
ordinances
since
the
80s.
You
know
our
percent,
for
our
ordinance
is
still
in
its
infancy,
even
though
we've
been
doing
some
public
art
for
a
while.
The
new,
the
city's
new
public
service
building,
a
huge
there's
has
a
huge
emphasis
on
public
art
and
partly
that
is
to
make
it
a
welcoming
building
for
the
community
to
be
to
come
to
and
visit.
V
N
Great,
so
the
artified
neighborhoods,
so
what
you
know,
for
instance,
if
you
took
an
intersection
and
it
somehow
connected
or
I'm.
This
is
just
like
connected
all
the
the
corners
together
in
a
neighborhood
in
a
permanent
collection
kind
of
like
a
nicolet
mall.
Where
all
of
this
you
know
all
of
the
art
connects
to
each
other.
That's
what
I
mean
by
artify,
because
then
the
neighborhoods
become
more
and
things
like
that
are
just
interesting
and
and
I'm
I'm
the
one
that
thinks
you
need
a
lot
more
money.
B
B
B
We
have
a
lot
of
linear
park
space
in
in
ward
4
and
but
when
we
think
about
our
art
inventory,
you
know
there's
a
plaque
on
the
humboldt
greenway.
There's
the
camden
statue
in
weber
park,
there's
the
gateway.
C
B
V
Well,
so,
first
of
all
we
have
we
have
an
interactive
map
which
is
actually
eight
interactive
maps
on
the
website.
I
think
there's
a
link
to
it
in
ardo
one,
but
I
can.
I
can
also
put
it
in
the
chat
of
all
there.
All
of
the
art
in
public
places
works
and
all
of
the
artworks
on
the
on
park
board
property,
and
so
you
can
you
can
bike
these
maps.
You
can
walk
them.
You
can
drive
them
the
maps,
actually
even
give
you
the
number
of
minutes.
V
It
would
take
to
do
any
of
those,
and
then
they
have
information
on
all
of
the
artworks.
So
that's
where
you
can
learn
about
them.
Also,
though,
if
you,
if
there
are
infrastructure
projects
in
your
neighborhood
or
your
ward,
that
you
think
are
good
candidates
for
public
art
sites.
V
But
you
know
it's
it's
catching
up
that
the
out.
You
know
that
the
outlying
areas
need
maintenance
and
repair
and
reconstruction,
and
so
I
think,
that's
going
to
change.
B
F
Hi
mary
for
miss
altman,
I
use
the
I
use
the
the
online
map
system
regularly
to
to
just
check
things
out
and
confirm
information,
and
I
seem
to
recall
that
there's
the
new
city
site
and
then
there's
a
park
board
site
and
they
don't
link.
If
I
recall
correctly.
In
other
words,
you
can
find
they
somewhat
overlap,
but
they're
separate
systems.
F
V
F
V
Going
to
put
the
link
in
the
chat
to
where
the
map
is
and
there's
actually
there's
it's
one
map,
but
there's
actually
eight
tours
within
the
map.
There's
because
there's
so
many
artworks
that
you
know.
There's
a
northern
map.
There's
a
map
up
north
there's,
a
map
of
east
there's
a
map,
three
maps
in
south
minneapolis,
there's
a
map
just
of
nicholette
mall.
So,
but
you
can-
and
you
can
look
at
that
on
your
phone
and
follow
along
as
you
spike,
not
that
I'm
recommending
that
you
be
on
your
phone
while
you're
biking.
V
V
So
I
I
just
really
want
to
thank
click
for
their
service.
You
know
this
is
one
of
the
boards
and
commissions
that
has
like
a
heavy
lift.
This
is
a
lot
of
material
to
get
through.
These
are
really
super
important
decisions
to
the
city,
and
I
really,
as
a
city
staff
person,
appreciate
your
dedication
to
this
work
and
the
impact
it
has
on
the
city
budget
every
year,
and
I
wish
you
the
best
of
luck.
B
V
Be
sending
those
the
written
response
to
the
questions
I
got
yesterday
to
finance
staff,
so
they
can
share
it
with
you
great
great.
Thank
you
so
much.
B
I
Board,
yes,
it
looks
like
we
have
on
the
call
adam
arvidsson
with
the
minneapolis
park
and
recreation
board
is
going
to
extend
a
welcome
to
to
adam
to
this
year's
click,
presentations
or
q.
A
really
it
is,
and
you
know
adam
we've
been
introducing
folks
and
welcoming
them
and
giving
them
an
opportunity.
I
think,
to
give
a
high
level
overview
of
you
know
what
it
is.
They
do,
especially
for
newer
click
members
as
well
as
the
you
know,
the
types
of
proposals
that
we
have
here.
I
U
Thank
you,
robert
hi,
everyone,
hello,
chair
strand,
should
I
just
go
ahead
and
proceed?
Yes,
please
do
great
thanks
everyone
for
for
being
here,
and
you
know
I
just
want
to
echo
at
the
top
what
mary
said.
U
You
know
obviously
there's
some
familiar
names
here
in
the
room
that
that
I've
been
conversing
with
for
for
many
years
now,
and
I
always
say
that
the
conversation
that
I
have
with
click
is
some
of
the
most
fair
and
challenging
questions
that
I
get
from
any
committee
that
I
go
in
front
of
and
and
in
the
past,
the
items
that
you
have
raised
for
the
park
board
have
directly
led
to
changes
in
our
practices
in
terms
of
how
we
do
our
own
capital
improvement
program.
U
So
I
want
to
thank
you
for
that
and
thank
you
for
your
continued
service
and
to
welcome
new
members
to
the
group
as
well.
It's
hard
to
follow
mary
altman,
but
obviously
there's
a
lot
of
talk
about
parks
and
integration.
We're
very
excited
about
the
new
public
art
system.
You
saw
on
there
that
there's
going
to
be
somebody
dedicated
to
us
and
thinking
about
how
do
we
incorporate
public
art
into
capital
improvement
projects?
U
So
there's
a
pretty
good
linkage
here,
because
all
of
the
projects
that
we
submitted
are
potential
places
where
that
public
art
funding
could
be
spent
in
all
of
these
parks.
So
I'm
gonna
do
a
very
quick
overview.
Is
it
okay?
If
I
share
content
and
show
off
just
a
couple
of
slides
to
set
the
accepted
context.
U
Can
everyone
see
a
screen
here
that
begins
with
the
word
projects
on
top
large
ongoing
projects.
D
U
Great
thank
you.
So
I
just
want
to
go
quickly
through
the
different
projects
because
for
the
newcomers
to
the
group,
this
is
a
little
bit
different
than
maybe
how
some
of
the
other
ones
work.
I
just
want
to
note
that
the
park
board
has
two
different
types
of
projects.
U
One
of
these
are
our
large
ongoing
projects
and
we
have
five
different
prk
code
numbers
for
those.
The
prkcp
project
really
looks
at
all
the
major
implementation
projects
under
the
npp
20
funding
agreement.
As
long
as
investment
in
an
individual
park
is
1.1
million
dollars
or
less
and
so
in
the
park.
U
Cp
project
we're
proposing
projects
in
31
parks,
plus
an
additional
six
or
seven
in
the
2027
year,
which
have
not
been
determined
yet
the
park
rp
is
all
of
our
parks,
rehabilitation
project
and
those
are
the
ones
in
the
10
different
categories
that
have
to
do
with
taking
care
of
existing
assets
like
building
hvac
systems
and
roofs
and
sidewalks,
and
things
like
that.
U
And
then
there
are
three
kind
of
amenities,
specific
projects
one
has
to
do
with
playgrounds
and
then
there's
a
shelter,
pool,
site
improvements,
program
and
an
athletic
fields
program.
The
latter
of
these
two
are
sort
of
phasing
out
as
we
roll
these
kinds
of
projects
into
the
park
cp
project,
but
this
year
we're
looking
at
19
playground,
projects
in
19
parks
and
then
one
each
in
the
other
two.
I
just
want
to
show
the
map.
U
You
can
see
many
of
these
projects,
new
cluster
in
the
north
side
of
minneapolis
and
the
upper
south,
especially
even
this,
this
interesting
area
kind
of
along
35
w
and
then
we're
starting
to
move
over
into
northeast
minneapolis
as
we
move
through
those
equity
rankings
and
then,
additionally,
we
have
single
park
projects
and
there
are
nine
of
these
this
year.
U
These
are
our
largest
implementation
projects
and,
as
you
can
see
from
the
list
here,
there
are
nine
of
these
this
year
again,
these
these
parks
are
all
selected
through
the
equity
metric
that
we
developed
alongside
npp,
20,
and
so
the
inclusion
of
these
particular
parks,
for
instance,
is
not
it's
not
random.
U
It
is
driven
by
the
equity
metrics
that
are
included
in
our
cip
and
then
I'll
just
finish
my
introductory
comments
here
with
a
map
that
identifies
those
site-specific
projects
in
green
with
the
green
stars,
you
can
see
where
those
are
located
and
then,
in
addition,
those
play
area
pool
and
athletic
fields.
Projects
are
also
included
on
this
map
here
kind
of
scattered
throughout
the
city.
U
U
It
had
to
do
with
additional
naturalized
areas
within
parks
and
also
the
potential
damage
to
trees.
That
may
happen
as
we
maintain
our
turf
grass.
I
think
the
sentiment
here
and
the
questioner
can
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong.
The
sentiment
here
is
that
our
parks
are
pretty
turf,
dominated
right
now
and
there's
some
question
about
whether
that
can
change
in
the
future.
U
I
think
the
answer
is
yes,
we
have
created
community
driven
master
plans
for
all
the
neighborhood
parks
and
almost
all
of
the
regional
parks
in
our
system,
and
I
would
say
that,
with
extremely
rare
exceptions,
all
of
those
parks
do
identify
more
naturalized
areas,
which
would
be
areas
of
a
variety
of
types
of
landscapes
that
are
not
turf.
Grass
transitioning
to
that
kind
of
management
regime,
however,
is
very
different
than
the
current
staffing
that
we
have
in
terms
of
equipment
and
expertise
and
training.
U
So
we
have
those
master
planned
in
and
are
implementing
them
as
we
go
along.
However,
changing
internal
management
practices
does
take
a
little
bit
more
of
a
time
because
you
are
talking
about
staff
infrastructure
that
exists
in
place
today
in
terms
of
the
tree
damage.
I
know
this
is
something
that
our
operations,
staff,
primarily
forestry,
is
consistently
advocating
for
within
our
system,
and
that
is
an
ongoing
internal
discussion
that
I
can,
I
can
assure
you
is
not
entirely
solved,
but
we
are
are
moving
forward
gradually
on
that
topic.
B
B
I
think
it
would
be
useful
just
to
we'll
take
questions,
and
I
see
there
are
some,
but
if
we
can
maybe
go
through
in
the
order
that
the
projects
appear,
but
we
do
have
a
couple
of
people
in
queue.
So
we
have
eric
and
katrina.
D
Hello,
adam
jeff,
is
it
mine
my
question.
L
D
Okay,
adam
so
so
one
of
the
challenges
we
have
on
the
north
side
is
and
I'll
give
you
an
example.
Last
year
at
jordan
park,
it
was
a
there
was
gunfire
shot
across
a
football
team
of
50
10
to
14
year
old
kids
practicing
on
a
park,
and
my
my
question
is
within
your
designs.
U
Sure,
thank
you
for
that
question
and
yes,
we
we're
the
increase,
in
particular
in
in
in
gun,
violence
around
and
near
our
parks
is
something
that
has
been
a
topic
a
conversation
throughout
the
organization,
especially
over
the
past
year
or
two,
as
things
have
seemed
to
to
really
ramp
up.
U
It
was
a
driving
force
behind
some
of
the
reorganization
of
the
park
board
that
occurred
through
the
most
recent
budget
cycle,
which
actually
created
a
whole
new
department,
called
the
community
connections
and
violence
prevention,
department,
they're,
not
planners
and
designers,
but
they're
more
on
the
ground
working
with
communities
to
try
to
mitigate
these
these
these
negative
impact.
In
terms
of
design,
I
will
say
that
our
master
plans
consider
this
quite
a
bit,
in
particular
on
the
north
side.
U
The
north
service
area
master
plan
has
some
very
specific
guiding
principles
around
safety
and
around
designs
that
ensure
appropriate
sight
lines
and
appropriate
access,
but
the
master
plans
only
go
so
far
as
we
move
into.
So
that's
what
that's
one
one
piece
of
it.
One
strategy,
as
we
move
into
detailed
design,
for
instance
at
jordan
park,
we're
actually
about
to
initiate
a
project
there
at
jordan
park
a
significant
million
dollar
plus
renovation
project.
U
There
we'll
look
in
more
detail
at
the
park
itself
and
and
begin
to
understand
in
more
detail
through
our
design
consultant
and
our
internal
staff.
U
What
safety
mitigations
can
be
put
in
place-
and
we
do
that
in
part
through
that
professional
expertise,
but
also
by
bringing
in
a
project
advisory
committee
that
involves
others
in
our
organization,
including
this
violence
prevention
department,
which
is
new
as
well
as
our
park
police
department,
and
then
we
also
engage
with
outside
stakeholders,
and
in
the
case
of
jordan,
I
mean
we'll
we'll
be
I'm
sure
in
close
collaboration
with
the
school.
That
is
there
in
order
to
you
know
they're
on
the
on
the
ground
even
more
than
we
are.
U
N
N
They
change
because
of
community
engagement,
and
I
was
incredibly
depre
impressed
with
that.
So
the
question
I
have
is,
I
noticed
on
all
of
I
mean
the
one
the
meetings
I
went
to
a
while
ago
on,
although
the
ones
you
submitted,
you
don't
have
any
integration
of
renewable
energy
into
those
plans.
N
N
U
Sure
thank
you
for
that
that
question.
That's
again,
as
I
mentioned
at
the
top
of
the
conversation
that
that's
a
fair
but
difficult
question
for
us,
so
I'll
try
my
best
to
answer
it
doing.
Sustainable
energy
generation
is
challenging
for
us
because
we
don't
not
every
park
in
our
system
has
anything
has
something
that
really
needs
that
energy
generation.
So
we
first
have
to
look
at.
U
You
know
what
are
those
parks
that
have
recreation
centers
that
have
good
solar
capacity
or
good
geothermal
potential,
and
so
we
start
to
kind
of
limit
the
field
right
off
the
bat
and
then,
in
addition,
these
systems
have
a
fairly
significant
upfront
cost
that
does
pay
itself
back
over
time
and,
unfortunately,
that
upfront
cost
has
been
a
barrier
to
us
in
terms
of
funding
the
pv
installations
that
we
that
we
did
most
recently,
including
at
nokomis
and
and
east
phillips,
and
parade
those
are
funded
by
by
grants
from
energy
companies
and
and
we're
constantly
on
the
lookout
for
those
we
do
have
outside
of
the
capital
improvement
program
itself.
U
We
do
have
adopted
an
adopted
ecological
system
plan
which
looks
at
improving
environmental
performance
throughout
our
park
system.
U
It's
essentially
a
tool
kit,
as
well
as
a
policy
guide
to
our
staff,
for
what
what
we
need
to
advance
forward
and
there's
a
whole
section
on
renewable
energy,
including
some
mapping
that
helps
us
put
right
out
front
which
of
those
facilities
are
going
to
be
the
most
ripe
for
both
solar
and
or
geothermal,
because
there's
parts
of
the
city,
where
geothermal,
just
won't
work
because
of
the
soil
type,
so
we've
actually
published
maps
so
that
we
can
know
that
right
up
front.
U
Our
hope
is
that
we
can
continue
to
explore
that
and
and
begin
to
integrate
some
alternative
energy
into
our
projects.
S
Hi
adam,
this
is
sonia
digarmo.
I
live
in
lowry
hill
and
have
been
following
the
community
engagement
process
for
the
redesign
of
kenwood
park,
and
I
I'm
not
seeing
where
kenwood
falls
in
in
the
scope
of
work
that
you're
looking
at
for
the
next
five
or
six
years.
S
Can
you
talk
about
that
a
little
bit,
because
it
seems
to
me
that
the
community
is
engaged
and
I
feel
like
there's
going
to
be
a
lag
between
what
is
decided
and
the
actual
construction
of
it,
and
I'm
not
sure
if
that
takes
place
in
other
neighborhoods
as
well.
U
Yeah,
it
does
yeah.
Thank
you
for
that
question
sonia.
So
we
chose
to
create
community-engaged
master
plans
for
our
entire
system
so
that
we
could
understand
the
system
holistically
all
at
once,
rather
than
only
plan
those
parks
that
were
having
capital
improvements
and
the
reason
we
did.
That
is
because
there's
so
much
desire
for
so
many
different
facilities
in
our
parks
more
than
there
ever
has
been
that
we
can't
have
everything
in
every
park
and
we
needed
to
look
at
the
system
as
a
whole
to
understand
how
those
things
would
be
distributed.
U
Some
parks
are
having
their
capital
improvements
happen
very
quickly
after
the
master
plans
and
some
of
them
a
park
gets
brought
into
the
the
park
board,
cip
and
then
submitted
as
a
cbr
under
one
of
the
projects,
I
noted
once
it
is
ranked
high
enough
under
our
equity
metrics,
that
it
comes
into
that
cip,
so
kenwood
park,
for
example,
is
actually
currently
ranked
number
79
of
149
parks.
U
We
are
currently
up
through
we're
up
into
the
50s
in
terms
of
ranking
in
our
cip,
so
it
will
be
a
bit
of
time
before
kenwood
park
gets
in,
but
there
are
essentially
other
parks
that
have
greater
need
based
on
our
metrics
than
kenwood
park.
Does
so,
and
that
varies
for
each
park
and
those
equity
metrics
were
are
included
with
the
cip
documentation
that
I
sent
along
to
the
city
and
and
was
probably
forwarded
to
you.
U
You
can
find
kenwood
park
in
there
and
you
can
find
its
ranking
numbers,
and
if
you
have
specific
questions
about
that
park,
I
can
follow
up
with
you
at
a
later
time.
I
hope
that
answers
the
general
question.
S
Regarding
when
something
is
broken
in
the
park,
or,
for
example,
a
bulkhead
gives
way
around
a
lake,
is
that
something
that
is
part
of
annual
maintenance,
or
would
that
possibly
open
up
an
opportunity
to
create
a
project.
U
That's
a
good
question.
Thank
you
for
that
question.
It
actually
depends
on
the
scale.
So,
if
something
breaks
in
a
park
like
if,
like
a
slide
on
a
playground
or
a
swing,
then
those
are
typically
replaced
as
just
part
of
our
annual
maintenance
budget,
a
project
that
cannot
be
accomplished
through
our
annual
maintenance
budget,
something,
I
would
maybe
say
like
a
medium
scale
project
like
let's
say
a
recreation,
center's
roof
starts
to
cave
in
or
leak
significantly.
U
So
the
example
you
you
raise
a
bulkhead
of
a
lake,
so
we
do
have
a
a
below
grade
infrastructure
category
in
this
park,
rp,
which
could
be
an
option.
However,
if
a
failure
of
something
gets
to
a
scale
that
even
would
overwhelm
these
rehabilitation
funds-
and
we
often
have
to
try
to
scramble
and
find
other
funding-
and
some
of
you
might
remember
several
years
ago,
there
was
a
a
mudslide
that
occurred,
that
buried
west
river
parkway.
U
For
some
months
we
had
to
marshal
a
lot
of
different
types
of
funding
sources
in
order
to
repair
that
including
our
self-insurance
funds
and
external
fema
money.
So
if
the
project
gets
to
a
scale
that
we
can't
handle
it,
then
we
have
to
go
looking
for
other
assistance.
So
the
basic
answer
to
your
question
is:
it
depends
on
how
big
the
breakage
might
be
and
we
take
care
of
that
in
a
few
different
ways.
H
Thanks
hi
adam
nice
to
see
you
again
this
year,
jeff
before
I
dive
in,
I
have
a
lot
of
questions.
Did
you
want
us
to
do
this
in
chronological
order,
the
project?
How
do
you
want
us
to
do
this.
B
H
I
have
a
lot
of
questions,
so
I'm
not
gonna
do
all
of
them
in
one
shot,
I'll
do
a
few
of
them
and
then
get
back
in
the
queue.
So,
let's
start
with
prko2
this
is
you
might
anticipate
this
one,
this
one
from
the
adam,
I'm
looking
at
the
remaining
bond
authorizations.
That's
been
going
up
steadily
for
several
years.
H
U
Yeah
I
yeah
thank
you,
john,
and
I,
and
I
did
anticipate
this
question
from
from
you
and
from
the
group
in
general,
and
I
and
I
didn't
like
those
numbers
when
I
started
pulling
together
the
click
submittal
this
year.
So
I
I
just
want
to
be
be
honest
about
that.
We
had
done
some
good
work
to
bring
that
significantly
down,
and
in
the
last
few
years
we
we
have
gotten
behind
again.
U
The
primary
reason
for
that
is
staffing.
For
two
years
in
a
row
the
planning
division
had
staff
cut
and
that,
in
combination
with
some
vacancies
that
persisted,
we
just
weren't
able
to
get
as
many
projects
in
the
ground,
as
we
had
hoped
to.
U
The
good
news
in
terms
of
that
with
a
remedy
is
that
the
board
of
commissioners
did
in
their
kind
of
final
budget
amendment.
Earlier
this
year
did
reallocate
one
additional
project
manager
position.
U
We
actually
have
offers
accepted
offers
for
two
project
managers
who
will
start
within
two
months
and
a
third
that'll
probably
be
a
little
bit
behind
that
one.
So
we're
gonna
have
three
brand
new
people
that
are
going
to
be
immediately
picking
up
a
lot
of
these
playground
projects
because
they
are
projects
that
are
able
to
be
implemented,
especially
even
as
you're
as
you're
learning
the
ropes,
they're,
they're,
smaller
and
somewhat
straightforward,
so
so
yeah.
I
know
I
know
we
are
behind.
U
I
recognize
that
it's
not
a
great
position
to
be
in
we're
hoping
to
be
able
to
accelerate
that
with
this
new
staff
coming
on
in
the
very
near
future.
The
other,
the
other
piece
of
it
is
that
last
year
just
really
slowed
us
down
the
the
difficulty
of
engaging
in
the
context
of
last
year,
both
both
the
digital,
but
also
with
the
amount
of
unrest
and,
frankly,
some
of
our
staff
getting
pulled
in
other
directions
to
address.
U
Encampment
issues
put
us
into
an
emergency
room
mode
for
almost
an
entire
12
months
and
some
of
those
projects
slipped
on
their
timeline.
And
I
just
I
have
no
other
reasoning
behind
behind
those
two
yeah.
H
And
to
be
clear,
I
appreciate
your
answer
and
you
know
I
expected
that
there
were
going
to
be
some
pretty
legitimate
reasons,
especially
this
past
year,
why
those
might
have
creeped
up.
The
real
point
of
my
question
is:
how
quickly
do
you
think
you
can
realistically
spend
it
down?
I
know
you
never
like
to
give
up
funding,
but
you
know
I
can't
speak
for
the
whole
committee.
I'll
speak
for
myself.
I
mean
this
is
a
project
that
is
consistently
asked
for
the
same
amount
of
money.
U
So
under
understood,
I'm
just
looking
at
the
list
of
actual
projects
that
are
included
in
that
3.7
million
dollar
backlog
and
eight
of
those,
though
roughly
eight
times
about
three
hundred
thousand
dollars
worth,
are
all
underway,
and
we
expect
construction.
This
fall
so
eight
eight
of
those
projects
of
a
total
of
one.
U
H
Okay,
that
helps
thank
you.
I'm
going
to
ask
two
more,
I
think,
quicker
questions
on
pkr03
and
and
four
I'm
just.
I
see
that
there's
no
request
beyond
2023
for
pool
and
site
improvements.
So
the
question
is:
are
you
guys
all
caught
up
there
or
are
you
just
giving
that
one
a
break
and
then
similar
question
on
o4
no
requests
from
22
to
25.
U
Yeah
this,
this
is
a
good
question.
I
think
it's
it's
not
a
matter
of
that.
We're
all
caught
up.
It's
just
that
that,
with
the
advent
of
npp,
20
and
doing
larger,
consolidated
projects,
we
hardly
ever
have
a
project
anymore.
That
is
only
a
waiting
pool.
We're
often
doing
that
in
concert
with
other
implementations
in
the
park,
so
there
are
wading
pools
and
athletic
fields
that
that
get
included
in
the
prk
cp
and
the
individual
park
projects,
but
we
have
very
few
stand-alone
waiting
pools.
U
The
the
one
waiting
pool
that's
left
in
there,
which
is
fuller
park,
is
actually
left
over
from
our
old
cip
and
the
athletic
field.
We
brought
a
new
one
in
this
year
for
the
lake
nokomis
athletic
fields,
just
because
there's
nothing
else
to
do
there.
It's
only
athletic
field,
so
it's
it
felt
like
the
most
appropriate
place
to
do
it,
but
it's
really
just
more
of
a
technical
change
under
npp
20
and
the
fact
that
we're
doing
doing
larger
projects
that
may
involve
pools
and
athletic
fields.
H
T
Hi
adam,
it's
good
to
talk
with
you
again.
I
have
two
questions.
The
the
race
equity
matrix
was
brought
up
and
I
don't
believe-
and
maybe
this
is
a
question
for
the
the
finance
staff-
I
couldn't
find
the
race
equity
matrix
a
part
of
the
park's
materials.
Am
I
just
missing
something,
or
is
it
not.
U
I
T
About
the
race
equity
matrix-
and
I
know-
we've
been
given
when
we've
been
in
person
a
printout
of
that
before,
and
so
it
doesn't
fit
into
an
individual
request.
U
These
were
submitted
along
with
our
maps
and
our
cip,
so
I'm
and
I'm
happy
to
submit
them
again
if
that
got
lost
in
translation.
T
I
T
Awesome,
thank
you
and
then
the
second
question
is
actually
related
to
so
perk
park.
Parkways,
noting
you
know
the
change
in
how
they
in
their
use
over
the
last
year,
and
I
know
that
public
works
actually
does
the
work
on
them.
T
How
is
mprb
taking
a
look
at
that
space
and
planning
for
it
in
the
future.
U
Thank
you,
katie.
That's
a
good
question.
We
have
on
our
work
plan
in
strategic
planning
to
do
a
comprehensive,
parkways
master
plan.
In
about
two
years.
We
have
a
couple
of
master
planning
efforts
that
are
ongoing
right
now
for
the
for
certain
parks
that
require
them.
The
regional
parks
require
master
plans.
We've
had
some
regional
park
master
plans
in
the
past
year
or
two
that
the
parkway
conversation
has
been
robust.
U
We
feel
it's
important
to
look
at
them
holistically
and
so
we're
going
to
do
a
parkway's
vision
plan,
we're
not
sure
what
we're
going
to
call
it
yet,
but
a
study
and
a
vision
plan
within
a
couple
of
years.
That's.
U
O
U
Willie,
mr
bridges,
are
you?
Are
you
referring
to
the
hiawatha
golf
course?
Yes,
yeah,
so
hiawatha
golf
course
exists
within
a
regional
park
boundary
and
is
also
considered
an
enterprise
facility,
meaning
that
it
makes
money.
U
O
Okay,
yeah
no
neighbors
are
concerned
about
the
park.
That's
over
by
the
many
have
parkway
over
went
on
cedar
and
you
know
the
park.
That's
over
there
that
flood.
Sometimes
so
the
community
says
what
are
they
doing
to
fix
that?
And
it's
that
in
the
budget
to
look
at
this
year
because
you're
probably
aware
a
lot
of
conversation
around
that
part.
O
I'm
talking
about
the
one
that's
over
on
what
is
cedar
the
golf
course
soft
seat
in
south
minneapolis
yeah,
the.
U
Hiawatha
golf
course
yeah
yeah,
there's
nothing
in
the
capital
budget
request
for
hiawatha
golf
course.
This
year
again,
we
we
couldn't
fund
that
with
local
bonds,
but
in
addition
there
was
a
master
plan
process
around
that
golf
course
and
at
the
moment
that
master
plan
was
actually
rejected
by
our
board
of
commissioners.
U
O
B
H
Okay
thanks,
so
I'm
going
to
move
on
to
the
pkr
prk
cp
and
rp
the
capital
infrastructure
and
the
rehab
program
so
start
with
a
similar
question
on
both,
which
is
again
the
remaining
bond
authorizations,
which
is
quite
high
in
both
cases,
although
so
in
capital
infrastructure,
it's
4.75
million
and
in
the
park
rehab
it's
four
million.
So
to
be
fair,
that's
not
as
large
as
prko2
relative
to
the
request
that
you
make
each
year,
but
nonetheless,
it's
pretty
high
and
it
seems
to
be
growing,
or
at
least
not
shrinking.
U
Yeah,
thank
you.
Let
me
take
the
prk
first,
so
the
prk
numbers
did
did
grow
as
a
result
of
the
covid
amendment
that
the
board
adopted
in
2020.
U
So
there
was
a
there
was
a
higher
hill
to
climb
in
the
prk
rp
project
to
begin
with
that
changed
after
the
click
process.
For
that
originally,
so
the
numbers
are
actually
skewing
higher
than
what
you
originally
saw.
U
However,
again
there's
multiple
projects
underway
we've
got,
we've
got
three
roofs
underway
and
three
hvac
systems
underway,
and
those
are
all
things
that
that
you
know
construction
is
restarting
right
now
as
things
thaw,
and
so
I
think
we're
going
to
see
those
2020
numbers.
So
it's
primarily
in
the
2020
year
that
that
that
that
unspent
bond
exists,
we're
going
to
see
those
20
20
numbers
drop
significantly
by
the
end
of
the
year.
U
U
As
for
the
playgrounds
john,
this
was
really
a
question
of
our
staffing
levels,
which
I
think
are
going
to
be
rectified
here,
as
well
as
the
difficulty
of
engaging
around
some
of
these
projects
during
2020.,
but
again,
there's
a
bunch
of
them
that
are
underway
and
in
design,
and
I
think
we're
going
to
see
construction
on
probably
about
half
of
the
projects
again
by
the
end
of
the
year.
H
H
I
think
that
it
would
be
better
if
you
guys
took
this
further
and
broke
these
out
into
individual
projects,
and
I
think
the
model
for
it
in
the
city
would
be
paving
projects
where
we
see
a
tremendous
number
of
individual
paving
projects
so
that
we're
you
know
these
parks
are
all
over
the
city
they're
in
different
different
needs
and
just
take
cp
for
a
minute
that
that
project
over
the
coming
six
years
is
asking
for
30
million
dollars
so
granted,
there's
not
a
single
individual
park
in
there
that
exceeds
1.1
million,
but
nonetheless
the
total
is
huge,
30
million
dollars-
and
I
I
you
know
what
tends
to
happen
with
a
not
that
this
is
deliberate.
H
It's
just
the
nature
of
the
way
it's
set
up.
What
tends
to
happen
is
that
some
projects
that
may
not
be
as
strong
as
other
projects
for
lack
of
a
better
way
to
put
it
slide
through,
because
they're
all
under
the
same
funding,
whereas
we
could
give
you
guys,
I
think,
better
and
more
useful
feedback
that
you
can
do
what
you
want
with
if
these
are
broken
out
into
individual
projects,
similar
to
the
way
paving
does
and
that's
not
to
say
that
there
aren't
some
program
type
projects
that
you
could
do.
H
You
could
say
that
I
could
make
the
exact
same
argument
about
that,
except
that
to
me,
playgrounds
is
pretty
consistent
across
the
board,
so
the
only
way
that
would
come
into
become
an
issue
was
if
we
had
a
difference
of
opinion
with
the
way
you
guys
were
were
addressing
equity,
and
I
I
don't
see
that
as
being
a
problem,
you
guys,
frankly,
have
been
the
leaders
in
the
city
on
how
to
address
equity.
H
So,
to
me,
the
playground
project
is
okay,
as
it
is,
it's
also
much
lower
sums
of
money
than
than
cp
and
rp.
So
anyway,
I'll
just
leave
you
with
that
comment.
You're
welcome
to
address
it.
If
you
want
to
I'm
not
trying
to
put
you
on
the
spot.
So
if
you
want
to
come
back
later,
that's
fine!
I
I
intend
to
author
a
comment
for
our
report
this
year
that
addresses
this.
K
U
John,
the
only
deal
the
only
I
would
just
say.
I
think
that's
something
that
we'll
we'll
have
to
look
at
internally
like
more
folks
than
me.
So
I
appreciate
that
you're
gonna
submit
that
as
the
formal
comment-
and
you
know,
as
always,
we'll
take
a
serious
look
at
that
and
and
figure
out,
if
there's
a
way
to
address
it
for
next
year.
It's
it's
hard
for
me
to
respond
one
way
or
the
other
right
now,
thanks.
B
Yeah,
thank
you
so
adam.
I
want
to
compliment
your
agency
or
board
first
of
all,
and
you
can
see
my
neutral
background
here
on
the
pollinator
planting
with
paul
chelsea
and
others
really
excellent
community
engagement
event
for
the
shingle
creek
regional
ponds
three
years
ago
already.
B
I
have
a
question
I
I
support
the
full
funding
for
the
300
000
annual
prk
dt
and
if
it
isn't
outside
your
scope
today,
I
I
I
grieve
when
I
see
the
loss
of
the
mature
urban
canopy
and
I
understand
the
decision
that
was
made
to-
and
this
is
out
not
the
private
property,
but
the
boulevard,
but
is
there,
can
you
give
us
an
update,
I
assume
you're
informed.
Can
you
give
us
an
update
on
the
citywide
status
for
emerald
ash
borer?
I
didn't
really
see
that
and
then
is
there
any
way.
B
I
know
that
other
government
entities
have
forestry
departments,
have
gravel
bed
nurseries
and
my
understanding
is.
It
would
be
advantageous
from
a
climate
action
urban
heat
zone,
big
picture
that
if
we
had
larger
trees
faster,
is
that
scientifically
wrong?
Or
can
you
speak
to
the?
Can
you
just
speak
to
the
big
picture
scope
of
eab
and
how
how
we're
doing
and
what's
the
situation
and
both
for
private
property
and
the
public
sphere.
U
Sure,
thank
you.
Thank
you.
Jeff.
Thank
you,
chair
strand,
I
I'm
gonna
say
maybe
a
couple
things,
but
I'm
gonna
have
to
get
you
a
follow-up
from
our
forestry
department.
I,
interestingly
they
they
used
to
come
to
the
click,
q
and
a's.
With
me,
and
after
several
years
there
were
never
any
questions
about
trees,
so
I
I
sort
of
let
them
let
them
skip
it,
but
I
I
will.
I
will
get
an
answer
prepared
for
you.
U
I
will
say
that
we
are
in
either
the
final
or
the
penultimate
year
of
the
ash
tree
replacement
program
in
the
city.
So
I
know
there's
a
lot
of
conversation
about
how
does
that
sort
of
special
levy
potentially
translate
into
a
more
permanent
canopy
enhancement
program,
because
we
will
be
done
with
ash
tree
removal
in
the
very
near
future.
U
I
will
have
to
have
forestry
speak
about
what
that
has
done
for
mitigating
effects
of
emerald
ash
borer.
I
know
that
there
are
occasionally
fines
here
and
there,
but
I'll
need
to
have
them
weigh
in,
and
I
think
they've
got
some
good
maps
about
how
that
is
moved
through
private
trees
and
such
the
gravel
bed
nursery
question
also.
I
can
say
just
for
my
own
recognizance
that
a
mature
tree
has
has
huge
benefits
that
go
beyond
storm
water.
U
You
know
there's
shade
and
a
lot
of
other
things,
but
a
growing
tree
drinks
a
lot
of
water,
so
in
terms
of
storm
water,
the
mature
trees
are
great
but
but
also
growing.
Trees
are
very
good.
I
will
have
to
ask
forestry
to
answer
the
question
about
implementing
gravel
bed
nursery
and
what
the
benefits
that
might
be,
and
maybe
they
can
provide
a
more
generalized
answer
about
trees
and
storm
water
and
and
trees
and
environment
and
habitat.
U
We've
got
some
stuff
in
our
ecological
system
plan,
which
I
mentioned
earlier
about
the
urban
forest
and
about
prioritizing
plantings
around
urban
heat
island
and
some
potential
changes
in
practice,
both
in
terms
of
equity,
understanding,
environmental
justice
as
well
as
environment.
So
the
ecological
system
plan's
got
some
good
forestry
stuff
in
it.
But
cheers
strand,
I
will
make
sure
you
get
a
follow-up
from
our
forestry
division.
U
K
U
Yeah
steve,
thank
you
for
that
question.
Basic
creek
watershed
management,
commission
is
actually
paying
for
that
facility
in
its
entirety
and
the
advantage
to
the
park
is
that
we
will
be
able
to
also
then
very
inexpensively,
provide
stormwater
treatment
for
our
own
improvements
and
also
some
pretty
significant
habitat
enhancements
there
dovetailed
along
with
it,
but
that,
but
that
is
a
project
funded
in
the
bassette
creek
cip,
which
was
deliberately
aligned
with
our
project.
To
make
sure
we
could
do
basically
one
project
at
once,
but
that
funding
will
come
from
them.
K
Wouldn't
show
up
under
the
various
indexes
you
use
for
social
equity
considerations,
but
might
show
up
because
they're
park
characteristics,
and
I
wondered
if
that
means
that
the
equity
side
is
starting
to
give
way
to
the
park
characteristics
side.
As
you
schedule
projects
or
whether
that
does
not
govern
in
this
category
prk2,
but
only
in
prkcp.
U
I
think
your
your
final
statement
is
almost
exactly
correct:
okay,
the
within
our
cip
and
within
the
equity
metrics.
The
part
board
shows
to
also
have
a
parallel
playground
rehabilitation
program.
Playgrounds
are
a
unique
facility
in
our
system
in
that
they
are
our
most
used
and
they
they
create
the
most
risk
for
the
public
in
terms
of
accessibility
and
in
terms
of
safety.
U
So
we
have
a
lot
of
old
playgrounds,
so
the
prko2,
the
ranking
of
the
playgrounds
in
those
that
is
selected
solely
on
the
quality
of
the
playground,
not
on
the
overall
quality
of
the
park,
but
those
are
the
oldest
worst
most
rundown
playgrounds
that
we
are
looking
at
first
and
the
reason
for
that
is
because
of
the
uni
uniqueness
of
that
particular
type
of
facility.
So
that's
why
you
see
those
kind
of
pop
up
all
over
town,
seemingly
with
no
relationship
to
the
other
equity
metrics.
U
K
I
have
a
question
about
the
lyndhurst
master
plan.
If
you
look
at
the
scope
of
things
that
are
contemplated
there,
the
things
called
for
in
this
master
plan
plan
like
a
new
park
building,
relocated
courts.
Daylighting
the
creek,
a
new
50th
street
bridge,
seemed
to
outstrip
the
1.8
million
available
by
several
factors
and
not
to
say
that
those
aren't
interesting
things,
but
they
I
mean.
Do
you
provide
any
sort
of
reality
check
for
a
citizen
advisory
committee
when
you're
doing
park
planning
about
the
amount
of
resources
they
will
likely
have
available.
U
So
we've
got,
we
got
two
questions
there
and
I'll
take
them
separately.
The
first
question
I
around
the
the
money
not
being
enough
to
do
what
the
master
plan
says.
I
fully
recognize
that
and
there's
some
narrative
about
that
in
our
submittal
on
that
project.
U
U
The
1.8
million
is
in
there
because
of
our
efforts
to
normalize
the
amount
of
funding
that
is
requested
under
the
cip
and
in
the
cbrs
part
by
part,
so
that
just
recognizes
a
desire
for
more
consistency
in
the
allocation
amounts
across
our
system,
but
we
know
that
it
will
need
more
money
and
we're
already
in
conversation
with
our
partners,
primarily
minnehaha,
creek
watershed
district
and
also
the
city
of
minneapolis
surface
waters,
which
has
done
a
flood
study
in
that
area.
U
Who
will
probably
be
partners
with
us
in
that
effort
in
terms
of
the
master
planning
question
and
how
much
we
we
talk
about
cost
and
resources
in
a
master
plan.
U
I
do
get
this
question
a
lot
in
community
engagement
venues
about
why
we're
not
designing
to
the
available
resources-
and
my
answer
always
is
that
we
would
sell
ourselves
short
if
we
only
design
for
the
dollars
that
I
know
are
in
the
cip,
because
there's
always
outside
money
that
can
come
to
the
table.
We
brought
up
the
bryn
mawr
project
just
a
moment
ago.
So
there's
about
a
million
and
a
half
that's
coming
to
that
project
from
outside
funds.
The
state
bonded
five
million
dollars
for
north
commons
park.
U
If
I
weren't
designing
according
to
the
community's
vision
and
the
real
need
on
the
ground,
then
we
would
lose
opportunities
that
might
be
out
there
to
to
make
transformational
change
and
in
the
case
of
linhurst
park,
it
was
felt
that
there
needed
to
be
a
transformational
change
there
because
of
a
quite
a
few
other
infrastructure
issues,
most
notably
the
city's
tunnel
and
flooding
in
the
vicinity
and
and
the
real
difficulty
that
we
have
a
rec
center
across
a
busy
street
from
the
park
that
it
serves.
U
So
those
were
a
variety
problems
that
we
needed
to
solve.
We
don't
do
that
in
every
park,
but
it
is
important
in
in
some
of
those
parks
and
then
it's
our
job
to
work,
to
find
partnerships
and
to
move
that
funding
forward.
K
It's
sort
of
the
the
spinach
of
of
taking
care
of
our
parks
compared
to
park
cp,
which
is
where
people
are
more
focused
not
on
the
on
the
spinach,
but
on
the
desert.
K
The
things
that
make
a
park
fun
to
go
to,
except,
of
course,
that
only
parks
with
a
budget
of
under
1.1
million
are
in
park.
Cp
is
that
do
I
have
that
correct.
U
You
you
do
steve,
that's
a
great
analogy
and
if
I
could
add
one
little
technical
thing
onto
the
analogy:
the
park
rp,
which
is
the
spinach
we
harvest
a
whole
new
batch
of
spinach
each
year.
I
can't
tell
you,
what's
going
to
be
in
rp
next
year,
because
we
base
that
in
part
on
meat,
something
falls
apart
and
we've
got
to
rehab
it.
U
The
dessert
we're
planning
six
years
ahead,
which
is
how
you
ought
to
plan
dessert
right.
I
mean
that's,
that's
pretty
good.
So
that's
the
other
piece
of
that.
Okay,.
K
Thank
you,
and
then
I
just
saw
a
numerical
discrepancy
in
parkour
two
in
between
two
different
sources.
The
presentation
that
I
got
from
you,
I
think,
had
a
slide
of
338
000
in
2022
for
park
02.
U
K
We
got
a
summary
from
click
staff
of
essentially
each
project
by
year
and
for
2022
it
had
a
figure
for
park
02
of
slightly
more
than
a
million.
But
in
your
presentation
there
was
a
slide
that
seemed
to
suggest
a
figure
of
338
000
in
2022.
U
Yeah,
I
think
I
understand
what
you're
saying.
Let
me
I'm
going
to
very
quickly
pardon
my
yes.
So
in
this,
the
slide
that
I
think
you're
referring
to
on
the
introductory
on
the
introduction
slide
for
park
02,
it
says
a
cost
estimate
of
338
000
in
2022
plus
escalation.
U
I
will
clarify
this
in
the
future.
It
is
unclear
on
the
slide
I'll
clarify
it
now
that
is
per
park.
So
a
typical
playground
project
costs
that
amount,
and
then
we
are
asking
for
multiple
playground
projects
within
that
one
million
got
it
apologize.
C
For
that
that
yeah
that's.
K
The
other
the
final
question
I
have
it
has
to
do
with
the
disease
tree
program.
I'm
this
is
sort
of
an
ongoing
program.
It's
essentially
self-funded
by
property
owners
through
either
paying
up
front
or
assessment
bonds
when
their
tree
is
removed.
K
U
You
know
the
existence
of
park.
Dt
p
predates
me
doing
this
work,
so
I'm
actually
not
sure
it
is.
It
is
unlike
the
rest
of
them.
I
don't
know
if
any
of
the
city
staff
on
the
call
can
answer
that
question.
If
not,
I
can
ask
around
okay
thank.
K
B
We
have
thank
you,
steve
bill
graves
waiting.
W
Hi,
thank
you
chair,
so
I'm
new
to
this
committee
so
apologize.
If
this
is
a
question,
that's
been
answered
in
the
past,
but
I'm
curious
if,
if
during
your
master
planning
and
the
resulting
capital
requests
that
you
put
in
for
the
parks
that,
if
there's
any
sort
of
equity
consideration
in
terms
of
private
fundraising
or
if
you
have
policies
against
or
what
is
the
kind
of
interplay
between
private
fundraising
for
parks,
improvements
and
kind
of
allocation
requests.
U
I
I
can
probably
answer
this
a
few
different
ways.
So
if
I
don't
I
don't
quite
get
to
it,
then
then,
then
you
can
do
a
follow-up
in
our
equity
metrics.
U
We
look
at
historic
investment
in
the
park,
how
much
money
we've
spent
in
that
park
over
the
last
15
years,
and
we
do
include
park
dedication
and
private
philanthropy
in
that
number.
So
if
a
park
has
gotten
a
significant
amount
of
private
investment
in
the
recent
history,
it
will
rank
lower
in
our
equity
metrics
so
that
that's
a
means
of
on
one
hand,
kind
of
offsetting
those
parks
that
do
get
a
lot
of
philanthropy,
which
tend
to
be
in
the
wealthier
parts
of
town
from
those
that
don't
in
terms
of
philanthropy.
U
Generally
speaking,
we
have
based
on
staff
availability.
We
have
accelerated
projects
in
master
plans
when
philanthropy
comes
forward.
U
One
current
example
is
in
thomas
lowry
park
where
we
are
going
to
rehabilitate
and
reconstruct
the
seven
pools
fountain
with
a
combination
of
park,
board
dollars
and
a
significant
private
philanthropy.
U
That
park
was
very
low
on
the
equity
metric,
but
it's
able
to
be
accelerated
because
of
that
because
of
that
philanthropy
we
do
seek
philanthropy
for
projects
that
are
in
our
cip.
This
is
the
third
and
perhaps
final
way
of
looking
at
this.
Unless
you
want
to
do
a
follow-up,
so
we
often
do
seek
philanthropy
to
close
gaps
on
other
projects
that
we're
implementing
anyways.
U
So
we
may
look
at
at
donations
in
a
park
where,
where
we
know
we're
going
to
be
a
little
short
from
doing
what
we're
going
to
do
so,
that's
typically
the
responsibility,
then
of
a
project
manager
around
that
park
to
identify
gaps
and
to
seek
ways
of
posing
that
either
through
grants
or
philanthropy.
So
those
are
maybe
kind
of
three
ways
that
that
touches
our
investments
and
if
I,
if
I
didn't
get
your
question,
feel
free
to
follow
up
with
me.
W
Thank
you.
That's
really
helpful
to
hear.
I
think
I've
managed
to
have
one
follow-up
and
then
I'll
see
time
so
so
take
the
the
laurie
thomas
park
as
an
example,
and
when
combining
city
and
public
resources
and
private
resources,
you
have
a
total
amount
that
maybe
I'm
just
making
numbers
up,
doubles
the
amount
of
overall
investment
and
compared
with
a
park
in
a
lower
income
neighborhood.
W
If
I'm
hearing
you
right
that
overall
investment
is
then
considered
for
future
investments,
so
that
you
know
future
requests
would
be
significantly
lower
in
dollar
amount,
not
equal
to
the
need
of
of
that
park
because
of
the
existence
of
private
philanthropy
and
historic
improvements
to
the
park.
U
It
it
won't
necessarily
to
be
honest-
we're
not
probably
far
enough
into
npp
20
to
see
how
an
example
like
lowry
would
play
out,
but
my
gut
says
right
now
that
we
wouldn't
necessarily
lower
the
dollar
amount
of
investment,
because
we've
normalized
those
amounts,
and
we
want
to
make
sure
that
every
park
gets
an
npp
20
investment
that
is
consistent
across
the
board.
U
O
U
The
building
specifically
or
the
or
park
improvements
more
generally,
we
can
talk
about
all
of
it
so
mccray
recently
the
athletic
fields
were
redone
right
and
we're
currently
have
a
project
underway
right
now
for
to
redo
the
playground,
that's
under
the
prk
o2
project,
but
it's
in
an
earlier
year,
so
it's
not
showing
up
in
the
request
this
year.
Okay,
we
expect
that
will
be
under
construction.
U
This
fall
we're
doing
community
engagement
right
now,
okay
and
then
mccray's
actual
equity,
ranking
number
is
something
I
would
have
to
look
up,
but
it's
not
there's
not
currently
a
larger
allocation
for
mccray
in
our
cip,
but
it's
very
close,
mcrae's
equity
ranking
is
number
62,
which
probably
brings
it
into
the
cip
next
year.
B
B
Well,
members
again,
I'm
not
rushing
this
process
at
all.
So
if
there
are
any
other
questions,
especially
members
who
have
not
posed
questions
yet.
B
Otherwise,
1205
and
we
were
scheduled
for
a
12
20
break.
I
would
just
ask
adam
to
if
he
has
any
concluding
remarks
and
then
we'll
see
if
there
are
any
other
hands
and
then
we'll
talk
about
our
our
next
steps.
U
The
the
only
concluding
remarks
I'd
make
is
is
just
to
again
reiterate
my
thank
reiterate.
My
thanks
to
you,
you
know,
and
and
and
to
stress
you
know
specifically
that
the
comments
that
you
make
here
we
take
them
very
seriously
and
we've
modified
some
practices.
U
You
know
specifically
the
you
know
the
the
standalone
prk
projects
were
created
based
on
click
guidance,
I'm
hearing,
there's
there's
at
least
some
desire
to
go
further
in
terms
of
having
stem
or
standalone
projects,
the
normalization
of
funding
that
we
do
now
to
make
sure
that
the
amounts
are
equitable
across
our
system
came
directly
from
conversations
with
this
body
and
now
and
that's
not
even
just
you
having
an
effect
on
on
what
goes
before
the
city
council
that
has
modified
how
I
do
the
entire
park
board
cip.
U
So
I
appreciate
your
questions.
I
appreciate
the
detail
that
you
all
take
in
looking
at
all
of
this
and
the
intelligence
with
which
you
look
at
all
these
numbers,
and
I
know
it's
a
lot
to
get
through,
but
but
I
really
honor
your
work
and
it
has
been
a
pleasure
to
get
to
know
many
of
you
and
to
hear
from
new
faces
and
to
continue
to
work
together
on
these
critical
improvements.
B
Thank
you
adam.
I
know
one
of
our
former
members
pointed
out
that
we
were
only
doing
roughly
a
six-hour
session
and
that
we
weren't
doing
like
the
full
eight-hour
in-person
session
as
if
we
were
kind
of
taking
it
easy
because
of
the
virtual
meetings,
but
anyway.
B
B
All
right,
so
members
we're
we're
ten
minutes
before
our
scheduled
break
like
to
kind
of
get
a
sense
from
our
staff
and
the
task
force
chair
and
co-chair
about-
and
I
see
john
is
ready
to
step
in
the
next
step.
So
if,
if
I
know
that
chair
eric
will
have
heavy
lifting
today
and
john.
D
H
J
B
C
J
Quickly
jump
in
on
a
technical
point.
At
this
time,
teams
doesn't
want
to
allow
me
to
assign
members
to
individual
breakout
rooms,
so
I
do
want
to
just
use
this
five-minute
break
to
see.
If
I
could
troubleshoot
I
didn't
want
to
do
it,
while
staff
were
presenting
in
case
there's
more
serious
technical
difficulties.
J
If
I'm
unable
to
get
the
breakout
rooms
to
work
like
they
did
on
saturday.
My
backup
option
is
to
have
human
development
stay
in
this
room,
as
I
know
they
need
to
quickly
get
going
and
then
a
separate
calendar
invite
for
let's
say
1220
will
be
sent
to
the
transportation
task
force
and
we
will
have
a
separate
meeting.
I
will
let
you
all
know
what
the
end
result
is
we'll
see
if
we
can
get
into
the
breakout
room
seamlessly
or
if
we
need
to
do
a
separate
meeting.
Invite.
H
We'll
need
very
little
time
I'll,
just
briefly
go
over
agenda
for
the
day
we
have
one
project,
br
135,
to
go
back
and
revisit
beyond
that.
That's
the
only
project
we
need
to
rate
today.
B
So
let's
say:
come
back
at
12,
20
that'll
give
justin
time
to
do
his
thing
and
then,
at
that
time,
I'll
read
these
final
remarks
before
we
go
off
to
our
breakouts.
If
that's
feasible,
dan.
F
Yeah,
I
just
wanted
to
ask
with
the
ratings
that
human
development
will
be
doing
today
on
the
different
projects
and
the
ones
that
task
force
primarily
got
through
the
last
time.
I'm
always
a
little
ambivalent,
of
digging
deeper
on
these
spreadsheets.
Until
I
get
everything
together
on
one
and
was
hoping
that
just
to
put
in
a
note
for
the
staff
that
having
a
new
cbr
spreadsheet,
that
came
out
with
the
appropriate
axes
and
everything
else
would
be
helpful
soon.
Thank
you.
M
Thank
you.
I.
I
would
just
note
that
we
have
this
meeting
scheduled
till
one
today
and
it
is
a
work
day.
So
I
know
staffs
schedules
are
filled
up
after
that,
so
I
would
just
advise
that
if,
if
the
human
development
team
doesn't
finish
up
by
one
you,
you
move
some
of
that
work
to
the
next
task
force
meeting
that
we
have
set
up
for
the
next
week.
B
Okay,
so
five
minute
break
come
back
at
12
20.
J
Yep
jeff
in
the
interest
of
just
speeding
this
up
human
development
will
return
to
this
room
and
a
separate
invite
will
get
sent
to
transportation.
So
after
the
break,
you
can
read
your
closing
remarks
and
then
those
that
group
will
need
to
switch
over
to
a
new
meeting.