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From YouTube: May 20, 2021 Minneapolis Advisory Committee on Aging
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A
C
A
Gene
we'll
talk
about
in
a
minute
helene
present
angelina
angelique
is
present.
Angelique.
Are
you
gonna
come
over
and
slap
me?
Thank
you.
Ernie's
here
melinda
president
hazel.
A
D
D
A
Okay-
let's
see
so
we
have
called
roll
and
adoption
of
the
agenda.
Do
I
have
a
motion
to
adopt
the
agenda.
C
A
Okay,
do
we
have
any
discussion?
I
guess
we
should
have
discussed
first,
any
new
business
or
anything
I'll
get
the
hang
of
this
for
the
agenda.
A
Oh,
it
looks
kind
of
full
how
about
the
acceptance
of
the
minutes
of
the
april
meeting.
C
E
A
E
F
A
D
D
A
And
beth
hi
paulette
did
you
show
up
okay
so
that
adoption
has
been
carried
acceptance
of
the
minutes?
Is
there
any
discussion.
A
A
Right
now
we're
going
to
the
acceptance
of
the
minutes.
Okay,
is
that
all
right?
Yes
and
that's
the
next
thing
on
the
agenda?
Do
we
have
a
any
discussion
about
the
minutes
of
the
april.
A
Meeting
hearing
done
I'll
ask
for
a
roll
call
about
the
minutes
for
the
april
meeting
janet.
C
G
A
D
A
Discussion
item
number
four
nick
is
here:
who
will
introduce
nick?
Does
anyone
know
nick
okay?
Nick?
Will
you
introduce
yourself
to
the
committee?
Please
sure
we
depend
on
christine
to
make
a
lovely
introduction
telling
us
how
wonderful
you
are
and
how
long
you've
worked
for
the
city
and
that
you're
located
in
the
building
on
top
and
with
the
view
of
downtown
and
the
river,
can
you.
H
H
Yeah,
hello,
everyone
happy
fridays,
I'm
kidding
it's
not.
H
My
name
is
nicknow.
I
serve
as
the
city's
ada
and
language
access
coordinator
in
the
department
of
neighborhood
community
relations
alongside
tina
or
christina.
My
role
is
to
ensure
compliance
around
two
large
facets.
One
is
the
americans
with
disabilities
act
primarily
with
title
two
which
governs
or
provides
governance
over
how
local
government
agencies
have
to
be
compliant
and
accessible
to
people
with
disabilities,
and
the
second
large
party
of
my
work
is
language
access,
which
is
accessibility
of
programs
and
services
for
folks
who,
whose
english
is
not
their
primary
language.
H
So
those
are
my
two
primary
functions.
I
love
it.
It's
I've
been
here
for
about
seven
years
and
I
get
to
work
with
a
lot
of
city
departments
and
as
well
as
local
government
agencies,
on
how
we
make
our
programs
and
services
and
interactions
more
accessible
in
that
role.
I
also
serve
as
the
staff
support
to
the
minneapolis
advisory
committee
on
people
with
disabilities.
H
H
This
is
light
right
here,
so
that's
probably
why
it's
going
to
be
a
little
bit
of
a
a
dark
feature.
I'm
I'm
not
one
to
be
on
camera
a
lot,
so
this
is
a
little
bit
outside
of
my
comfort
zone,
but
that's
fine
and
hopefully
y'all
could
see
me
a
little
better
and
I
do
tend
to
talk
really
quick.
So
if
y'all
need
me
to
repeat
anything,
please
feel
free
to
ask
and
I'll
be
happy
to
rephrase
a
repeat.
A
H
I'm
camera
shy.
No,
it's
not
it's
not
a
thing
yeah,
so
I
believe
tina
just
asked
me
to
kind
of
give
a
kind
of
an
update
or
a
brief
description
around
the
work
that
our
committee,
I
guess
the
shorthand
within
the
city,
is
called
macropod,
so
minneapolis
advisory
committee
have
people
with
disabilities
macropod
not
coined
by
me
but
other
folks,
but
some
of
the
work
that
we're
doing
really
and
along
the
same
sense
of
my
role
in
the
city
committees
of
the
advisory
committee
on
people
with
disabilities.
H
Their
job
is
to
provide
advice
and
guidance
around
how
the
city
can
be
could
do
better
in
interactions
with
people
with
disabilities,
city
service
programs,
service
problems
and
planning
with
people
with
disabilities
as
well.
So
there's
a
lot
of
different
facets
of
the
city's
work
that
comes
to
the
committee
to
do
those
conversations,
sometimes
in
the
early
stages,
which
we
like
and
sometimes
kind
of
in
the
middle
or
towards
the
end,
which
makes
it
a
little
bit
more
complicated.
H
Some
of
the
departments
that
we
work
very
closely
with
is
public
works,
obviously
for
a
lot
of
the
physical
infrastructure
public
right-of-ways.
Now,
with
mobility
hubs
and
everything
right
sharing,
cped
in
their
planning
department
in
terms
of
zoning
developers,
coming
wanting
to
seek
advice
in
terms
of
how
to
make
spaces
accessible
and
then
we've
done
a
lot
of
work
with
communications
as
well.
Our
internal
city,
communications,
along
with
the
city
clerk's
office.
In
terms
of
how
do
we
not
only
do
education
around
different
city
programs
and
services?
H
But
how
do
we
make
sure
that
our
like?
I
guess,
our
our
public
engagement
is
more
accessible
as
well,
so
some
of
the
projects
that
we've
been
working
on
primarily
on
this
year,
one
as
recently
as
to
note
is
the
no
parking,
no
parking
minimum
ordinance
that
recently
passed.
I
believe
there
were
quite
a
few
discussions
in
terms
of
how
do
we
make
that
one
that
achievable
goal,
because
it's
it's
a
great
goal
in
terms
of
reducing
emissions
and
making
a
more
creating
sustainable
city.
H
But
I
think
it
also
notes
that
you
know
folks
with
disabilities
that
use
either
different
services,
as
well
as
family
members
and
friends
to
do
drop-offs
deliveries
as
well
as
folks
that
use
modified
vehicles
such
as
wheelchair,
accessible
vans.
H
The
when
we
were
engaged
around
the
ordnance
amendment
going
to
council
and
the
planning
commission,
I
think
there
were
some
gaps
that
we
wanted
to
see
fill
because
you
know
in
regards
to
how
we
make
this
a
more
inclusive
environment
for
folks.
That's
something
that
we
recognize.
That
was
missing
from
the
proposed
changes.
H
So
I
believe
there
were
a
few
amendments
that
were
proposed
by
councilman,
fletcher
and
gordon
that
addressed
some
of
those
concerns,
but
I
think
there
were
other
concerns
that
were
not
fully
met.
Other
committee
wanted
to
further
engage
our
city
council,
members
and
departments
on
one
area
that
we
work
very
closely
with
also
is
voter
engagement
and
election
services.
H
We
do
have
a
few
members
that
are
election
judges
or
very,
very
actively
engaged
in
voter
education
and
outreach.
So
most
like
every
election
cycle,
we
think
about
what
are
accessible
ways
to
get
folks
to
the
polling
sites
through
the
ballots
and
and
so
on.
That's
not
a
conversation
that
we've
had
yet,
but
it
will
be
coming
up
this
summer,
especially
with
the
local
elections.
That's
going
to
happen
in
november.
H
H
Most
recently
we
just
had
our
committee
meeting
yesterday
we
had
public
works,
come
to
talk
about
two
particular
items.
One
is
mobility
hubs,
I'm
not
sure
if
y'all
had
a
presentation
on
mobility
hubs
or
ride
sharing
or
bike
sharing.
Recently,
I
recommend
to
reach
out
and
I
would
happy
to
provide
that
information
to
christina
as
well.
In
terms
of
sort
of
I
and
I'm
going
to
butcher
this
business,
I'm
not
public
works,
and
this
is
a
baby.
H
How
do
we
create
a
more
inclusive?
I
guess
transportation
network-
that's
able
to
get
folks
around
the
city
in
a
more
sustainable
way,
more
green
way
as
well.
H
H
So
that's
a
lot
of
information
happy
to
answer
any
questions
that
y'all
may
have.
B
Well,
it
sounds
like
you
have
an
awful
lot
of
busy
projects
there.
I
you
know
sometimes
I
think
you're,
covering
a
lot
more
stuff
than
we
have
been
covering
up
late,
but
that
sounds
like
a
really
good
set
of
things
to
be
working
on.
A
A
E
E
D
H
Yeah,
so
I
believe
that
part
was
in
the
regarding
the
no
parking,
I
always
say
the
new
minimum
parking
ordinance.
The
ordinance
in
in
the
long
and
short
is
to
allow
for
developers
that
they
so
choose
to
not
include
parking
facilities
as
part
of
their
development
plan.
H
So
that
is
triggered
when
the
parking
facility
is
installed
or
developed
or
designed
or
built,
and
in
terms
of
what
the
space
allots
for
and
how
many
slots
are
doable
in.
That
space
would
have
kind
of
a
configuration
of
around
how
many
required
disability
parking
or
accessible
parking
spaces
you're
supposed
to
have,
but
that
only
comes
into
effect
if
a
parking
facility
is
developed
or
provided
in
that
particular
space.
H
So
it's
a
it's
a
great
way
to
make
sure
that
in
design
that
parking
facilities
and
accessible
path
to
travel
for
people's
independence
is,
is
a
design
component
of
that
project
either
form
a
housing
perspective,
because
some
of
the
parking
facilities
for
housing
developments
and
then
from
a
what
we
call
a
place
of
public
accommodation
such
as
your
restaurant,
your
grocery
stores,
pharmacies
and
so
on.
So
I
think
the
concern
was
that
those
triggers
don't
come
into
play
when
there's
no
parking
provided.
H
So
I
think
the
committee
was
trying
to
find
some
workarounds
that
if
the
developer
so
choose
to
not
do
a
large
parking
facility,
that's
fine.
I
think
they
were
just
trying
to
find
a
compromise
in
how
to
still
provide
a
level
of
disability
or
accessible
parking.
So
folks
could
utilize
that
particular
service
or
reside
in
whichever
development
film
is
there.
D
H
D
H
Yeah,
I'm
going
to
try
to
approach
this
as
well
as
I
can,
because
the
there
are
certain
requirements
in
terms
of
zoning
and
and
development
that
I'm
not
very
versed
in
I'm
ver,
I'm
more
versed
into
the
accessibility
requirements
and
the
codes
around
that.
So
at
the
very
least,
when
the
developer
is
electing
and
putting
in
place
a
parking
facility
or
parking
lot
in
their
design
plans
or
in
their
for
some
for
some
folks
when
they
do
reconstruction,
when
there's
a
parking
facility,
then
all
the
accessibility
codes
are
triggered.
B
D
A
barber
shop
and
the
parking
is
on
that
side
where
the
barber
shop
is
and
he's
told
her
that
she
cannot
park
there
I
mean,
even
though
they
share
the
same
building
that
she
can't
park
in
a
disability.
Slot
or
he'll
have
a
toad.
So
can
they
have
people
with
this?
With
the
cars
towed
I
mean,
even
though
they
share
the
same
building
and
she's
not
working
in
their
office,
but
I
I
guess
I
was
confused
on
how
he
can
tell
her
that
she
cannot
park
there.
D
H
Sure,
that's
that's
a
good
question
one,
and
that
is
something
that
I
could
address
really
quick,
but
I
just
want
to
know
that
that's
a
little
separate
from
what
I
was
just
talking
about
in
terms
of
the
development
but
and
I'd
be
happy
to
share
my
contact
information
in
the
chat
in
a
little
bit
or
via
email,
but
it
feels
like
just
off
first
glance
or
first
hearing.
It
really
depends
on
what
the
site
is.
H
It
was
a
shared
parking
facility
to
let's
say
a
mixed-use
building,
so
you
have
a
barber
shop
in
one
area
and
then
other
businesses
in
other
areas.
If
they're
sharing
and
utilizing
the
same
parking
facility,
then
that
accessible
parking
spot
as
long
as
the
person
has
the
requisite
tag,
they
should
be
able
to
access
it,
but
sometimes
property
lines
are
drawn
differently.
Sometimes
folks
say
you
could
share
this
the
the
parking
lot
when
it's
not
the
official
parking
lot.
So
it's
hard
for
me
to
make
that
determination
without
actually
seeing
the
site.
G
H
That's
a
very
big,
complex
question
and
I
think
if
I
was
to
take
that
in
different
steps,
I
I
don't
quite
remember
what
the
stats
provided
to
me
was,
but
I
believe
cpad,
the
community
planning
economic
development
department,
who
has
largely
led
this
effort
they
mentioned
in
their
development
process.
I
think
only
maybe
two
and
don't
quote
me
on
this,
but
it's
a
very,
very
small
number
of
developers
that
have
elected
to
not
utilize
this
strategy,
I
guess
in
their
development
process
in
the
last
10
15
years.
H
So
I
don't
know
if
this
would
trigger
more
people
doing
that
or
not.
But
I
do
know
that
without
a
I
guess,
I'm
gonna
channel
some
of
our
folks
here
without
a
more
comprehensive
approach
in
terms
of
how
do
we
make
sure
that
and
what
we're?
What
we're
really
talking
about
is
independent
living
here
that
you
know,
if
there's
no
kind
of
built-in
structure
for
that,
then
that
gets
to
be
a
little
complicated
down
the
road
as
well.
H
So
it's
the
physical
infrastructure,
our
physical
infrastructure,
in
regards
to
streets,
sidewalks
transportation
needs
a
lift,
a
heavy
lift,
and
I
think,
that's
also
part
of
the
conversation
as
well.
How
do
we
make
mass
transit
more
accessible
to
folks
and
more
inclusive
of
folks
as
well,
and
then
how
do
we
build
these
new
developments
or
these
new
physical
infrastructures
to
support
people
to
support
people's
ability
to
live
independently?
H
So
that's
the
fun
conversation
to
have
throughout
this
entire
time.
Yes,
hopefully.
I
That
kind
of
helps
a
little
bit
here.
Checking
in
I,
I
have
a
question
on
this
parking
issue.
I
It
is
self-sustaining
and
provides
the
power
for
people
with
hybrids
or
electric
vehicles
to
be
able
to
park
and
charge
their
battery,
and
I'd
like
to
see
that
kind
of
parking
charging
flexibility
available
in
any
parking
that
there
will
be
at
least
one
space
with
that
charging
capacity
on
both
sides
of
the
pole.
H
Yes-
and
I
think
that's
a
great
point-
I
don't
quite
remember-
and
I
will
I'll
probably
should
say
this-
I
hold
small
bits
of
information
from
a
lot
of
work
that
the
city
does
it's
it's
a
big
city,
but
I
believe,
that's
a
great
conversation
to
have
with
our
public
works
department
and
as
well
as
some
folks
within
our
plan,
community
planning
economic
economic
development
department
in
terms
of
including
more
self-charging
stations
in
different
areas
of
the
city.
H
I
know
that
that's
a
goal
for
at
least
some
of
our,
not
some
sorry
most
of
our
folks
in
the
city
as
well
as
public
works,
to
have
that
available,
just
to
make
it
more
accessible
to
folks
as
well.
So
I
would
I
would.
I
could
always
provide
this
feedback
to
public
works.
To
say,
if
they're
available
to
come
to
this
committee
to
talk
about
that.
E
A
We
have
some
of
these
units
in
ward
13..
Can
you
believe,
and
that
means
when
a
handicapped
person
comes
to
their
complex,
the
only
place
since
there's
no
parking
and
there's
no
way
to
get
off
of
the
street
they
park
in
the
bus.
A
A
So
we
have
quite
the
roadblock.
I
mean
we
don't
have
boulevards
everywhere,
so
I
don't
understand
allowing
people
not
even
to
put
up
you
know
an
area
to
put
pull
off
on
and
get
out
of
the
street.
H
I
believe
the
are
you
talking
about
for
this
new,
the
the
the
no
parking
minimum
ordinance
that
just
passed
is
this
yeah.
H
I
believe
there
was
an
amendment,
though
that
was
made
to
kind
of
address
some
of
those
concerns
in
terms
of
working
with
public
works
or
more
planners,
to
determine
how
they
could
do
temporary
parking
service,
I'm
going
to
say,
service,
slash,
delivery
modes
for
for
those
particular
purposes
as
well,
recognizing
that
people
still
you
know
they
have
their
groceries
delivered
or
they
have
medicine
delivered,
as
well
as
food
or
just
kind
of
the
more
service
industry
aspect
of
things
that
we
we've
seen
lately.
A
Yes,
I
see
that
is
on
the
minneapolis.gov
summary
of
this,
but
the
news
doesn't
have
room
to
publish
all
of
that.
Several
of
the
news
bring
you
the
news
and
other
things
do
not
kind
of
include
that
in
there.
So
it's
just
you
know
unless
somebody
reads
all
of
the.
A
A
Oh
okay,
well,
it
gives
some
instructions
of
about
noise
and
when
contractors
can
be
working
and
they
can't
work
on
saturdays
and
sundays
and
they
need
to
quit
working.
You
know
in
the
afternoons
by
five
or
six.
I
don't
keep
up
with
all
of
it
nobody's
working
right
next
door
to
me
yet,
okay,
thank
you
for
okay,
I'll
put
my
hand
down
anyone
else.
Have
a.
A
Question:
okay,
thank
you
nick
for
coming
by
and
being
with
us
today
I
have
found
crew.
I
have
found
the
minneapolis
dot
gov
explanation
of
this
new
ordinance
and
amendments,
and
I
will
send
that
out
to
the
group
at
the
end
via
email
is.
Anybody
is
that
that.
B
H
H
I'm
I'll
I
will
be
here
for
the
remainder
of
the
meeting.
I'm
just
you
know,
camera
shy,
stuff.
I
You
sorry,
oh
one
more
thing
before
you
go
flow
here,
fifth
ward:
the
parking
needs
to
include
park
board,
so
we've
got
the
same
kind
of
parking
and
access
accommodation
at
all
of
our
city,
county
state
parks.
H
Sounds
good
I
could
also
and
like
I
said
before,
there's
there's
a
large
large
large
list
of
folks
that
are
very
happy
and
willing
to
come
out
to
our
different
advisory
boards
and
commissions
to
these
to
do
these
conversations-
and
there
are
a
few
folks
from
the
park
board
that
are
very
happy
to
do
this.
So
I
will
provide
that
recommendation
to
tina
and
she
can
work
with
y'all
on
getting
someone
from
the
park
board
to
come
and
talk
about
that
as
well.
A
A
Having
this
is
flow,
I
have
a
question
and
I
have
a
statement
and
someone
will
recognize
you
that
we're
keeping
track
we
are.
We
will
promise
to
keep
you
in
here.
Thank
you
very
much.
Angelique
is
my
my
right
hand.
A
A
F
A
A
Oh
okay,
now
all
right
so
first
of
all
we'll
make
sure
that
christina
gets
us
all
out
a
set
of
the
current
bylaws
and
if
you
need
them
printed
then
always
send
me
a
note
and
say
print
it
and
send
it
to
me
ernie
and
be
sure
you
give
me
an
address
please
and
I'll,
get
it
there.
As
quick
as
I
can
I
like
to
eat
lunch
everywhere
around
town,
so
you
might
just
you
know,
get
a
knock
on
the
door.
A
Okay
comments:
committee,
member
updates,
suggestions;
events.
I
have
one
thing.
B
A
B
Right,
I
did
that
by
talking
to
the
head
of
the
local
living
at
home
network
in
my
neighborhood,
and
I
have
a
I
put
together-
a
short
list
of
things
that
I
had
that
I
knew
about
and
that
she
suggested
I
did
not
call
my
city
council
person
to
ask
him
for
a
list
of
such
things,
because
I
always
felt
a
little
embarrassed
because
I
think
we're
supposed
to
be
advising
them
instead
of
having
them
advise
us,
and
I
thought
well,
you
know
that's
like
tell
me
what
I'm
supposed
to
tell
you,
and
so
I
didn't
do
that.
B
H
A
Sure
they
always
have
several
hands.
Is
it
my
turn?
It's
your
turn.
Okay.
So
I
would
like
to
hear
a
little
discussion.
They
say
on
the
news
everybody's
having
trouble
with,
shall
I
wear
a
mask
or
not.
E
Oh
I'm
sorry,
I
thought
we
were
still
talking
about
what
was
tasked
from
tom,
because
I
do
have
a
response
to
that.
Oh,
okay
and
so
tom.
Thank
you
for
bringing
that
forward.
I
did
not
forget
that
and
we
I
should
have
mentioned
that
to
be
added
to
the
agenda
just
to
circle
back,
so
that
we
really
are
getting
what
we're
discussing
done
and
so
tom.
E
You
said
that
you
plan
to
email
that
to
us
yes,
and
then
we
can
all
contribute
from
there
in
that
email
thread
so
that
we
are
taking
a
step
forward
into
adding.
And
my
understanding
is
that
the
resources
we
were
supposed
to
be
looking
at
resources
within
our
award
around
helping
seniors
with
home
repairs,
correct
and
so
did
you,
and
maybe
you
had
some
extra
things
you're
going
to
include
in
that,
but
just
to
refresh
everyone's
memory.
I
There
are
wonderful
resource
lists
throughout
the
area,
so
we
can
identify
those
city-wise
and
those
within
our
specific
wards.
Aarp
er
has
wonderful
resource
lists
and
tools,
as
well
as
voa
senior
resources.
E
D
Because
I've
been
putting
out
my
feelers,
also
because
I
have
a
couple
of
people
are
working
on
it,
they
think
it's
a
marvelous
idea.
I
even
have
a
possible
contract.
I
guess
he
said
he
used
to
do
that.
I
think
he
was
calling
home
restorations
or
something
like
that,
but
we're
looking
for
grants
that
made
the
businesses
can
apply
to
help
reduce
costs
to
seniors
so
that
they
can
have
there's
any
grants
of
efficiency.
D
If
any
of
you
guys
know
that,
there's
any
grants
available
for
businesses
who
can
work
on,
you
know
persistent
living
for
seniors.
Let
me
know,
because
there's
a
guy
who
is
interested
in
that.
I
also
wrote
to
I
sent
a
letter
out
to
emma
greenman
and
patricia
torres
our
senator
representative
and
steve,
and
so
what
they
sent
me.
That
was
steve
responded.
He
gave
me
this
the
same
thing
like
the
it
was
called
like
the
senior
linkage
line
and
gave
a
couple
of
organizations.
D
But
again,
those
are
a
lot
of
red
tape
and
I'd
like
to
share
with
you
guys
before
I've
never
had
any
luck
with
senior
linkage
line
whenever
I've
called
it's
just
ring
ring
ring
ring
ring
and
if
you
do
get
somebody
that
press
this
press
that
press
the
other.
So
that's
not
the
kind
of
resource
that
I'm
looking
for,
I'm
looking
for
one
phone
number,
human
being
answering
and
people
can
get
taken
care
of.
D
So
I
also
have
a
friend
of
mine
who
works
for
ppl,
so
he's
looking
at
with
what
maybe
they
can
do
so
and
another
friend
of
mine
is
sterling
rucker
here
in
my
area,
who
was
very
involved
with
the
community,
and
so
they
had
a
meeting
last
week
that
I
wasn't
able
to
attend.
So
I
got
to
get
back
to
her
because
she's
going
to
put
her
feelings
out
for
that
too.
Another
thing
that
I'm
working
on
so
I'm
hoping
with
this.
D
If
you
do
get
to
some,
if
it's
not
great
already
available
that
the
work
that
we're
doing
hope,
we
can
start
something
to
make
it
available
to
our
seniors
so
that
they
can
remain
in
their
homes.
So
that's
what
I
want
to
share.
Thank.
E
You
miss
hazel
when
you,
when
you
send
over
what
you've
discovered
regarding
your
award
or
or
adding
on
to
you
what
time
is
going
to
send.
Do
you
mind,
including
some
of
those
notes,
yeah
I'll,
do
that?
Okay,
thank
you
just
so
we
can
all,
and
then
I
see
was
there
anything
else.
You
wanted
to
say
miss
hazel
nope,
I'm.
D
F
Yes,
yes,
I'm
the
older
americans
act
does
fund
chore
service
provision
and
we
have
that
in
our
community.
In
fact,
I
just
checked
the
website
for
trust,
which
serves
mostly
south
and
southwest.
Minneapolis
still
has
their
chore
program,
and
I
think
there
are
a
couple
others
that
are
still
operating
in
the
city,
so
they
do
some
minor
home
maintenance,
chores,
plus
yard
work
and
snow
removal
that
type
of
chore.
I
think
some
house
cleaning.
F
I
was
hired
in
the
80s
to
start
that
program
and
it's
still
going
so
we
do
have
something
more,
a
kind
of
a
formal
network
of
people
willing
to
do
that
kind
of
work.
F
F
We
just
returned
from
a
week
of
doing
elder
care
with
our
my
92
year
old
mother-in-law,
who
just
sold
her
car
and
stopped
driving.
Thank
goodness
and
maybe
beth
could
lead
a
discussion
about
technology
in
seniors.
So
when
family
members
suggest
that
well,
you
can
just
use
uber
well,
you
have
to
have
an
app.
You
have
to
have
a
smartphone.
F
It's
not
that
easy,
and
so
I'd
like
to
have
a
discussion
about
where
technology
is
and
how
difficult
it
is
for
some
people
to
access,
whether
they
don't
have
the
equipment
or
the
funds
for
the
equipment
or
the
the
skill
set
to
access
that
and
as
we
move
into
a
world
that
is
more
virtual.
F
J
Okay,
yeah
I'm
happy
to
do
that,
and
I
know
that
there
are
lines-
and
there
are-
I
know,
there's
a
gentleman
in
minnetonka
who
started
a
service
for
seniors
that
is
like
uber,
but
it's
for
by
phone
call,
specifically
so
seniors
who
didn't
know
how
to
use
technology
were
able
to
do
that,
but
increasingly
seniors
are
stepping
into
the
tech
world
so
yeah
whatever
I
can
do
to
help
out
with
that.
E
A
E
A
When
melinda
and
beth,
when
I
send
this
in
to
christina
or
what
one
or
two
or
three
of
us
do,
do
you
have
a
month
you
would
like
to
because
otherwise
you
might
be
on
on
deck
next
month?
J
I
can
talk
about
this
anytime,
I
mean
I
can
talk
right
now.
Oh
okay,
literally
I
lit,
I
just
saw
that
hennepin
county
has
a
it,
has
a
program
that
has
a
urgency
broadband
yeah
exactly
to
to
increase
access,
and
they
also,
I
haven't,
read
the
whole
thing
in
detail,
but
it
said
something
about
getting
like
letting
them
know.
If
people
need
laptops-
or
I
don't
know
if
it
said,
I
think.
A
That's
a
future
thing.
Yes,
it
is
a
future
meeting
that
we'll
have
beth
be
ready
for
okay,.
E
A
She'll
send
out
some
attachments,
so
we
can
follow
along
with
those
of
us
that
need
paper.
J
J
I
I
think
it
might
be
a
good
idea
for
us
like
once.
We
have
all
these
lists
and
we
have
all
these
resources
to
then
have
one
central
place
where
we,
where
seniors,
can
go
to
get
this
information,
and
it's,
I
think,
it's
important
for
us
to
get
help
from
the
city
to
be
behind
communicating
that
and
having
some
sort
of
public
awareness
campaign.
I
mean
they
could
bury
the
information
somewhere
on
the
website,
but
especially,
if
seniors
aren't
tech
fluent.
J
How
do
they
know
to
get
there,
so
I
think,
maybe
looking
into
getting
help
in
each
of
the
community
park
buildings.
Since
you
know
pershing
and
like
every
park,
every
neighborhood
in
minneapolis
has
one
of
these
community
centers.
So
perhaps
we
could
communicate
to
seniors
through
that
through
the
newspaper.
E
It
doesn't
get
siloed
and
they'll
probably
be
varied,
yeah
different
ways
of
communicating
whether
you
have
a
physical
publication
for
those
that
probably
will
never
get
online,
but
then
also
having
online
resources
as
well
and
also
maybe
even
rating
the
services,
because
they
all
look
fantastic
on
the
brochure
and
online.
But
it's
like
miss
hazel
was
saying
you
know
when
you
call
you
it's
a
it's
a
different
story,
and
it's
not
as
straightforward
and
and
beautiful
as
it
appears
in
the
brochure
right.
J
E
J
E
A
A
E
A
I'll
just
remind
you
that
if
anyone
approaches
you
that
you
don't
know
and
starts
talking
to
you,
you
walk
towards
someone.
Anyone
and
and
there'll
be
two
of
you
there.
Instead
of
facing
someone
who
might
be,
let's
say
you
know
trying
to
make
a
point
or
whatever
walk
towards
someone
who's
there
in
your
facility.
You
know
right
around
you,
so
there's
two
of
you
and
and
don't
be
alone.
A
I
don't
know
how
crazy
this
might
get
we're
not
in
texas,
thank
god
for
small
blessings
but
jesus.
I.
I
E
G
Fast,
I
just
wanted
to
circle
back
to
the
discussion
of
putting
together
a
are
compiling
a
list
of
services
for
seniors
in
the
city.
G
I
think
that
it's
really
great
that
we're
looking
into
this,
but
my
concern
is,
I
don't
know
if
this
committee
can
take
on
responsibility
for
updating
and
managing
that
list
and
really,
I
think
the
bigger
question
is
why
the
city
should
have
somebody
who
is
doing
this
for
seniors,
as
opposed
to
our
committee,
because
my
own
experience
from
managing
communications
like
this
is
it
can
take
on
a
life
of
its
own,
just
adding
and
subtracting
people.
So
that's
it.
G
D
Okay,
what
I
just
want
to
add
to
that
is:
if
we,
what
I'm
looking
for,
is
a
one-stop
shop
and
what
the
city's
going
to
do
is
like
I
said
my
council
person
referred
me
back
to
the
senior
linkage
line,
saying
that
each
can
each
board
has
their
own
thing,
and
so
that
still
leaves
it
for
a
senior
who's,
74
78
80
to
try
and
disown
it
on
its
own.
And
to
me,
that's
not
that's
not
good
enough,
just
because
you
say
it
is
somewhere
out.
D
D
I
know
what
it
said
that
you
know
the
city
should
do
it,
but
the
city
is
going
to
say
they
have
it
already
and
we
still
struggling
to
find
it
for
all
of
each
of
us
doing
it,
and
so
that's
what's
going
to
happen
to
the
vast
majority
of
this
evening,
and
so
I'm
looking
so
like
I
say
I'm
putting
out
in
in
in
the
works.
A
couple
of
people
are
interested
in
it,
but
they're
looking
for
grants
to
do
it,
but,
on
the
other
hand,
angelique
do
we
go
until
2
30..
D
D
Sorry,
sorry,
so
so
helene,
you
don't
understand
what
you're
saying,
because
that's
the
answer
I'm
getting
so
and
that's
the
response
we're
going
to
get
from
the
city
that
we
already
have
stuff
for
seniors
and
we
know
it's
not
available
for
seniors.
D
So
if,
if
we
could
just
trigger
some
thoughts
like
I
said,
I
have
a
couple
of
people
who
are
really
interested
in
it.
Maybe
that'd
be
a
business
for
them
all
we
got.
What
I'm
thinking
is
that
we
can
help
them
out
to
find
grants
that
they
can
apply,
for
that
would
help
seniors
to
defray
the
cost
you
know
for
them.
Then
that'll
be
a
big
plug
for
us.
I
don't
think
we
have
to
manage
it.
D
It'll
be
that
company
to
do
the
advertisement
for
themselves
about
seniors,
and
I
think
they'll
get
a
jump
on
it
because
there's
a
lot
of
seniors
who
need
the
little
minor
repairs,
I
don't
think
they
will
run
out
of
money,
but
they
need
to
do.
They
will
need
something
subsidizing
for
the
city,
because
the
seniors
probably
won't
be
able
to
pay
for
those
who
are
living
from
pay
to
paycheck
that
they
take
their
income.
So,
but
I
think
this
is
still
an
opportunity
for
somebody
to
make
it
a
business.
E
D
People
maintaining
it
yeah
like
the
grab,
bars
or
the
step,
need
to
be
repaired.
You
know
even
those
steps
going
down
in
the
basement.
I
mean
those
kind
of
things
for
them
to
maintain
to
stay
in
the
house,
and
I
I've
heard
of
the
trust
before
I've
been
wrong
because
I
think
it
was
on
a
painting
one
time
many
years
ago,
for
you
know,
painting
but
and
that's
kind
of
stuff,
but
it
has
to
be
easily
accessible
for
a
senior
to
to
get
it.
D
There's
a
like
a
central
telephone
number
of
a
business,
so
it
can
be
a
one-stop
shop.
I
call
up.
I
just
need
an
electrician
to
come,
fix
a
light
bulb,
I
mean,
or
something
like
that.
I
mean
so
it's
not
a
it's,
not
a
major
reconstruction
of
the
house
that
I'm
looking
for,
but
those
little
money
things.
I
remember
and
the
reason
it
sticks
to
me
because
we
had
some
neighbors
who
were
elderly
and
they
had
to
move
out
of
their
house
to
a
nursing
assistant
home.
They
didn't
really
like
the
neighborhood.
D
D
B
D
And
not
make
it
certain
a
difficult
task.
I'd
have
to
take
out
a
twenty
thousand
dollar
loan
to
do
some
minor
repairs
and
maybe
five
years
you
know
to
live,
I
mean,
but
not
the
dispersion,
but
it's
just.
Why
should
they
have
to
take
every
penny?
They
have
to
stay
at
home.
You
know
it
doesn't
to
me
that
doesn't
make
sense.
It's
not
fair.
E
So
there's
two
things
going
on
one
is:
you
would
like
just
a
smaller
resource
list
pertaining
to
home
repairs
and
services
to
help
people
stay
in
their
homes
and
not
get
the
run
around
when
they
make
the
call
for
help
right
and
then
how
do
we
unearth
all
the
resource,
gems
that
are
buried
and
people
aren't
able
to
get
through
or
navigate
to?
So
it's
two
different
kind
of
issues
going
on.
D
D
So
yeah
another
piece
of
anybody
I
mean
anybody
else,
have
any
luck
with
senior
linkage,
I
mean
that's
the
that's
the
primary
resource
that
I
get
but,
like
I
said
for
me
when
I
have
triumph
and
I
was
practicing
nursing
even
recently
for
myself,
I
was
calling
for
somebody
else,
but
I
get
that
it's
just
a
ring
ring
ring
ring
and
if
I
get
it,
they've
called
this
number
called
that
number
called
the
next
number.
Is
there
anybody
who
has
that
little
better
luck,
success
with
the
senior
linking
flying.
I
I
I
Additional
resources.
We
need
to
incorporate
seniors
community
centers
libraries
as
well
as
as
housing.
I
We
could
work
with
jennifer
keel
with
her
experience
with
the
metropolitan
council
and
is
now
deputy
director
of
the
mpha
and
to
make
sure
that
all
has
criminals
and
and
computer
access
in
their
buildings
in
their
community
rooms.
I
We
could
take
advantage
of
the
opportunity
to
be
able
to
get
assistive
and
adaptive
technology,
because
there
are
those
with
growing
disease
where,
like
they
can't
use
a
stand
or
or
they
have
a
tremor
issue
with
multiple
key
strikes
and
or
or
they
wind
up
with
a
major
mobility
where,
where
it
can
be
orally
directed
or
done,.
I
E
Okay,
I'm
sorry
miss
flow.
It
sounds
like
you're
giving
a
list
of
resources
right
now.
It
sounds
like
you're
going
down
a
list
of
resources,
and
so,
if
that's
something
that
you
can
write
out,
maybe
now
maybe
right
now
we
don't
have
the
time
to
go
through
all
of
the
resources
available.
E
E
Thank
you
so
much.
I
appreciate
that
beth.
If
you
don't
mind,
I'm
gonna
turn
to
beth.
Now
I
see
she
had
her
hand
raised
and
then
janet
and
then
tom
and
then.
J
Yeah,
I
mean
there's
a
lot
out
there
already
and
obviously
we're
not
gonna
be
able
to
reinvent
the
wheel.
But
what
I
am
wondering
is,
it
seems
to
me
our
role
is
to
make
recommendations
to
the
city
and
to
council,
and
one
thought
I've
had
that
I'm
hoping
could
really
help.
Some
seniors
is
to
start
a
neighborhood
core,
like
kind
of
like
the
peace
corps,
but
this
would
be
a
neighborhood
run
out
of
each
I'm
thinking
each.
You
know
I
I
go
by
these.
J
I'm
in
parks
all
the
time,
because
my
kids
playing
tennis
for
southwest-
and
you
know
we
go
to
each
different
park
and
I
keep
seeing
look
at
these
park
buildings
that
are
just
sitting
here.
Couldn't
they
be
a
real
source
and
a
real
hub
of
getting
communities
more
active
and
getting
some
kind
of
lists.
J
Hopefully
each
would
have
a
list
online,
but
also
seniors
could
go
in
person
for
those
who
aren't
online,
where
there
could
be
a
bulletin
board,
an
electronic
bulletin
board
where,
if
people
need
help
with
things
like
snow
shoveling,
like
changing
light
bulbs
that
are
high
up
like
asking,
maybe
a
neighborhood
teen
to
help
them
with
how
to
use
their
iphone
with
all
various
various
needs.
But
the
the
concept
is
neighbors
helping
neighbors,
especially
older
people
or
maybe
people.
J
And
I
mean
we
could,
if
we
again
have
a
budget,
we
could,
you
know,
cover,
get
posters
all
over
the
city,
ideally
that
that
talk
about
the
new
minneapolis
neighborhood
core,
with
neighbors
helping
neighbors
and
you
know
and
get
it,
get
it
to
be
a
program
to
help
people.
E
J
Is
experience
core,
like
flow's,
saying
they're
doing
a
really
bad
job
of
promoting
it?
Because
I
haven't,
I
mean,
maybe
some
neighborhoods.
I
know
there
are
some
neighborhoods
in
minneapolis
that
do
have
something
where
it
where
neighbors
are
helping
neighbors,
but
it's
certainly
not
everywhere
and,
and
the
idea
is
minneapolis
could
be
a
model
for
something
like
this.
E
E
Else
was
there
anyone
that
wanted
to
comment
on
what
what
the
current
conversation
a
len.
G
I
would
say
that
beth's
idea
is
a
great
idea,
but
as
someone
who
works
with
the
school
district,
security
and
safety
for
people
sharing,
information
is
paramount,
and
so
the
idea
of
having
people
say
I
need
help
with
my
new
iphone
making
sure
that
that
re,
that
communication
is
safe
and
we're
not
putting
people
that
perhaps
may
not
be
tech
savvy
and
easily
you
can
be
scammed.
There
was
another
thing
beth.
G
G
J
And
I
just
I
totally
hear
you,
I
completely
completely
hear
you
and
completely
agree
with
you.
There's
just
got
to
be
something
where
we
don't
let
the
imperfect
get
in
the
way
of
the
good.
G
And
I
hope
I
agree,
and
I
also
think
that
you
know
getting
our
park
boards
involved
right.
I
know
that
they
need.
They
need
a
way
to
fulfill
the
support
for
this
age
group
of
the
population
because
they
have
all
of
them,
have
staffing
and
they
have
buildings.
G
The
the
other
thing
is
that
I
think
hazel
I've
been
looking
at
the
senior
linkage
line
for
speaking,
and
it
is
a
nightmare
of
just
pdfs
of
their
brochures
and
the
same
there's
only
one
telephone
number
for
people
to
call,
which
is
why
nobody
answers
and
there's
and
as
an
advisory
committee.
Perhaps
we
should
be
saying
to
the
city,
you
have
this
service,
but
it
doesn't
seem
to
work
very
well
and
why
are
you
spending
money
on
it?
We
want
the
money
spent
in
a
better
way,
but
yes,
that's
all.
E
B
I
was
just
gonna
say
that
I
think
there's
a
model
for
a
lot
of
what
we're
talking
about
you
know,
but
it
only
applies
in
a
couple
neighborhoods
in
the
city.
You
have
living
the
living
at
home
networks
where
they
apply
or
do
primarily
the
sorts
of
things
we're
talking
about.
They
help
you
know
they
have
resources
and
contractors.
They
know
that
they
will
put
people
in
touch
with
they.
B
F
Yeah,
I
I
agree
with
tom.
This
has
been
a
long
long
problem
with
minneapolis
trying
to
find
the
right
services,
get
them
established
and
keep
them
going
and
cover
the
whole
city,
and
you
know
the
the
the
issue
too
raised
by
elaine
that
we
need
these
service
providers
need
to
be
vetted
so
background
checks
and
all
of
that
gets
expensive.
But
you
want
to
be
sure
the
person
you're
sending
into
someone's
home
is
reliable.
F
So
I
would
suggest
that
the
living
at
home
group
come
and
talk
to
us
and
also
the
folks
who
are
doing
the
the
federally
funded
programs.
I
know
the
whole
city
isn't
covered
the
same
with
senior
linkage
line,
that's
a
metro
area
and
also
a
statewide
area
resource.
It's
not
just
the
city
and
that's
federally
funded.
F
Maybe
have
them
come
and
talk
to
us
and
we
can
discuss
our
issues
with
that
service
so
that
we're
all
on
the
same
page
with
what's
out
there
for
us,
and
then
we
can
make
recommendations
for
the
city
to
follow
up
and
where
we,
where
we
see
the
gaps,
are,
would
be
my
recommendation,
and
so
that
may
be
something
we
can
address.
This
fall
after.
We
have
done
some
research
on
who
we
want
to
invite
to
come
and
inform
us
on.
What's
going
on.
E
That
sounds
fantastic,
so
I'm
not
exactly
the
right
sure
about
robert's
rules
of
order.
But
how
can
we
get
that
implemented
into
the
notes
so
that
we
remembered
we
had
this
conversation
and
are
we
on
board
with
it
as
a
as
a
committee.
F
Well,
this
meeting
has
recorded
so
I
would
hope
that
christina
will
view
the
recording
and
follow
up
and
and
maybe
triage
into
what
we've
been
talking
about
today
between
technology
and
home,
home
care
services
and
also
access
to
information
in
a
timely
fashion,
all
kind
of
converge,
and
I
think-
and
once
we
figure
out
what's
what's
out
there,
look
at
where
the
gaps
are
and
then
make
a
recommend
recommendation
to
the
city,
whether
it's
the
park
board
or
whatever
I
mean,
we've
lost
two
senior
centers
in
our
community
and
you
know
angelique.
F
F
And
so,
as
as
an
age-friendly
city
designated
by
aarp,
I
don't
think
we're
living
up
to
that.
No,
and
we
have
more
older
adults
in
this
city,
then
we
have
children
and
and
it's
only
going
to
grow.
So
I
think
the
work
that
we're
doing
is
really
important.
E
G
Was
just
going
to
say,
I
was
going
to
share
something
I
don't
know
if
I
can
or
not
here
it
is.
This
is
the?
Can
people
see
that
this
is
oh.
G
Is
a
map
of
the
areas
that
are
covered
with
the
chore
or
the
support
group
that
melinda
just
spoke
about?
These
are
the
three
areas
in
minneapolis
that
are
covered.
The
other
areas
that
are
listed
on
the
left-hand
side
are
in
saint
paul,
okay,
well,
there's.
E
C
Hello,
okay,
so
this
has
to
do
with
technology
and
and
seniors,
and
I
don't
know
if
anyone
else
has
had
the
same
issues
as
I
have,
but
the
the
dfl
caucus,
I
don't
think,
was
very
senior
friendly.
C
And
I
still
don't
know
whether
I'm
a
delegate
or
not,
I
put
in
to
be
a
delegate,
but
I
don't
know
whether
I
am
one
apparently
they're,
just
assuming
that
you
know
and
I've
tried
to
contact
them
through
the
telephone
through
the
website.
C
And
I
realized
that
this
is
kind
of
a
you
know.
It's
it's
kind
of
a
partisan
issue,
because
I'm
not
aware
I
have
been
in
the
republican
party
in
the
past,
but
I'm
not
currently
in
them.
So
I
didn't
go
to
the
their
caucus
this
year.
So
I
don't
know
how
well
theirs
worked
as
it's
smaller.
My
sense
would
be
that
it
would
probably
work
somewhat
better,
even
virtually
just
because
of
the
size,
but
the
young
people
seem
to
be
fairly
happy
with
the
process
that
I've
talked
to.
C
They
think
more
people
may
have
may
have
caucus
this
year.
However,
I
kind
of
doubt
that
I
don't
think
it
was
well
publicized.
I
don't
think
there
was
any
intention
for
people
to.
However,
I
am
ward
9
and
we
we
are
we.
Our
current
council
person
is
not
running
for
reelection,
so
it's
very
important
for
us
to
have
some
say
and
judge
into
you
know
and
selecting
a
new
person
for
that
position
and
I'm
hoping
to
be
on
friendly
terms
with
them.
C
So
I
can
continue
with
this
kind
of
thing
so,
but
at
any
rate,
that's
just
my
little
comment
here.
Has
anyone
else
had
any
exp
experience
with
it?
Did
anyone
else
caucus
and
did
anyone
else,
try
to
become
a
delegate
and
has
anyone
heard
anything?
H
I
A
A
I
A
Yeah
they're
swamped,
but
that's
no
excuse
janet
delegate,
so
I
kind
of
seem
to
have
a
what
word:
are
you
in
janet?
Please.
C
A
A
E
D
E
I
I
like
it
was
hazel
that
recommended
that
you
know
a
really
one-stop
shop
number
and
I
think
we
could.
We
might
be
able
to
modify
two
one
one
and
they
have
a
subset
of
letters.
I
So
you
have
two
one
one
s
and
that's
for
seniors.
Two,
one
one
y
for
youth,
two,
one
one
d
for
people
with
disabilities.
I
You
know
and-
and
we
could
get
two
one
one
better-
organized
rather
than
an
overall
resource,
organizational
help
to
be
able
to
more
directly
specifically
connect
you
with
the
area
of
services
and
resources.
Your
your
the
target
group
you're
interested
in,
but
I
I
I
think
we
could,
because
I
like.
I,
I
like
that
idea.
We
need
the
e
equivalent
of
a
two
one,
one
or.
I
An
upcoming-
I
don't
don't
know
if
we
want
to
think
about
having
information,
but
hennepin
county
is
one
of
a
handful.
Now
that
we'll
be
observing
and
and
designating
juneteenth
as
a
holiday,
officially
and.
I
So
using
juneteenth
celebrations
to
get
the
issues
and
and
concerns
you
know
out
for
discussion
and
available.
I
Members
might
might
be
a
good
idea
to
think
about
having
some
kind
of
macaw
committee
representation
available
on
at
like
the
big
dudes
at
theodore
worth
or
wherever
they're
having
major
juneteenth
celebrations
as
a
as
a
means
of
recruitment
and
information
sharing.
E
Regarding
our
committee,
yeah,
so
you're
saying
maybe
have
some
people
present
at
the
events
doing
some
tabling
and
letting
people
know
about.
I
Brochures
and
and
people
reaching
out
to
seniors,
especially
those
in
communities
of
color
that
are
really
underserved.
E
I
do
like
the
idea
of
getting
information
out
to
the
community.
You
know
I
do
like
that
and
having
resources,
especially
you
know,
at
the
doorworth
or
wherever
the
north
minneapolis,
because
information
doesn't
always
seem
to
make
it
over
to
my
ward
in
the
fifth
ward,
but
I'm
not
really
sure
what
you
know
how
we
would
be
gathering
those
resources
and
deciding
on
what
it
is.
We
would
be
sharing
out
and
then
renting
a
booth.
D
I
just
want
you
to
have
that
there's
been
an
announcement
that
they're
going
to
be
any
formal,
juneteenth
activity
here
in
minneapolis.
Oh
that's
saying
if
they're
gonna
have
something,
but
you
know
I
myself,
I
wouldn't
be:
I'm
not
attending
anything,
no
formal
gathering
out
in
public,
even
with
the
saying
the
mask,
I'm
not
gonna
do
that.
I
mean
it's
enough
confusion
and
let's
talk
about
this
honestly
who's
vaccinated
who's,
not
vaccinated,
but
I'm
just
wondering
if
you
want
to
make
it
seem
as
vulnerable
to
attend
those
social
gatherings.
D
That,
especially
if
you
like
you
said
less
than
a
month
away
to
do
that,
that's
a
lot
to
try
and
get
a
get
together.
But
I
don't
even
know
if
minneapolis
really
have
any
formal,
formal,
juneteenth
activities.
E
I
I
Instead
of
you
know
against
crime
and
and
the
whole
sponsorship
and
involvement
with
the
mpd
and
and
and
turning
it
out,
for
you
know
a
national
night
out
to
celebrate
community
or
build
neighborhoods
or
and
and
use
that
first
tuesday.
In
august.
I
E
D
Just
real
quick,
I
think
it's
a
good
idea,
because
I
just
need
to
make
sure
we
have
a
distinction
between
our
committee
versus
the
state
committee
on
aging
and
I
think,
there's
a
couple
other
ones.
That's
on
aging
that
sound
would
be
confusing
for
people
because
it
all
sounds
like
the
same
committee
agency
within
this
within
minneapolis
and
the
state
so
to
have
a
differentiation.
If,
when,
if
you're
doing
any
tabling
about
our
committee,
you
know
how
we
just
how
we're
different
from
the
other
committees
on
aging.
A
Good
seeing
you
all
be
safe,
be
nice
to
yourself,
I'm
not
there
to
take
you
for
donuts
and
let's
try
to
remember
our
duty
to
god
in
our
country,
fill
out
tom's
form.