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The regular meeting of the capital long-range improvements committee will now begin.

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Good evening, my name is jeffrey strand, I'm the chair of the capital long range improvements committee. Before we begin I'd like to note that this meeting includes the remote participation of members as authorized under minnesota statute, section 13d .021 due to the declared local health pandemic. I will now call this meeting to order and ask the clerk to call a role so that we may verify the presence of a forum.

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This is the public input session for may 6.

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2021 thorbjorn adam.

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Zechariah aiden.

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Zach aiden.

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Beard president.

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John bernstein.

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John bernstein, steve brandt.

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James brown.

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James brown, uh luke cunningham.

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uh Signing to garma.

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Scott engel amity foster.

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uh Kai goodness, dad william gullickson.

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William gullickson uh risa.

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Houstad present.

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Jones katie jones, uh matt kozinka.

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Matt kozinka.

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That was that you matt.

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I'm here sorry.

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uh Erica melter.

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Dan mcconnell.

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Dan mcconnell uh jake mccormick here, hey miller,.

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Where's montague.

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Vice chair, willie bridges,.

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Jeff strand.

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Thank you uh clerk and I'll note that um remember scott engel indicated that he had a work could not attend due to a work conflict.

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If we have a committee member who has the volume on with some other outside broadcast, could they please mute?

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Thank you. So we have the next items. I will combine the adoption of the agenda as proposed and so also the meeting minutes. So thank you with that. We'll proceed to our agenda copy, which was posted for public access to the city's legislative information management system, which is available at lims.minneapolismn.gov.

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So the proposed agenda for the may 6 2021 meeting public input session and then adoption of the april 30 2021 meeting minutes take as one item and if there's a motion in a second with the member, please indicate their name when making the motion and second.

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Will you bring this second.

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Okay and this uh when we take that as a motion, I didn't hear emotion so willie bridges as a motion. Is there a second.

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Second, dan miller.

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Dan miller seconded any discussion seeing no hands raised will take the uh role on adoption of the agenda and acceptance of the minutes.

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Thorbjorn adam bye back.

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Jocelyn beard hi john bernstein, john bernstein, uh steve brandt, all.

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Brown luke cunningham hi uh san diego, I dingle.

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Amity foster.

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uh Kai goodness,.

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Dad hi goodness dad william gullickson.

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William gullickson uh risa, houston.

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Katie jones jones uh matt kozinka hi uh richard.

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Laurel richard rowe.

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Erica mounter.

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uh Dan mcconnell.

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Dan mcconnell uh jake mccormick, hi dan miller.

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Vice chair, willie bridges,.

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Chair jeff strand.

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That we have 16 eyes.

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With that, the emotion is approved, we'll move on to the next item, which is the uh identified as public hearing so public input session on the 2022 through 2027 capital budget requests.

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So as background for the residents participating proposals to build and renovate streets, buildings, bridges park facilities and other parts of the infrastructure in minneapolis over the next six years are collected and prioritized every year.

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This committee, the capital long-range improvements committee, are click, reviews all the capital budget requests submitted by city departments and independent boards and makes recommendations to the mayor and city council click was established, circa 1956 and has 33 members, two members appointed by each council, member and seven members appointed by the mayor.

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So at this point, uh click wants to hear from you about your infrastructure priorities, and this is an opportunity to share those thoughts. uh Previous meetings with the public have helped generate new ideas that improve about improvements that had never been proposed before, such as adding sidewalks where they hadn't existed in the public system.

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So we'll begin the public hearing shortly.

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I want to make sure that the public participating is also aware that there is a joint public hearing between click and the planning commission committee of the whole that will be scheduled at six pm on wednesday may 12 2021, and so that is an official joint public hearing and the meeting will be held virtually on microsoft. Teams and call in information will be posted approximately one week prior to the meeting and there's a long link that I can't read. uh Perhaps staff could post that in the or post it somewhere for the public.

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So with that, we will open the public input session or public hearing as it's identified, and the cue that I have from people who identified themselves resident uh gail.

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Would you give your name and your either residence or your neighborhood.

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Can you hear me now.

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Can you hear me now this is gayle bonneville, yes,.

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Gail you're, coming through fine.

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Okay, great, um my name is gayle bonneville. I live in the waite park neighborhood in northeast minneapolis. I am here to comment on and inquire about tv 157, which is the 33rd avenue northeast roadway resurfacing project. um I'm hoping you received my pdf that I sent last night early this morning, as well as the links to.

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If you've received that or had a chance to read it, I can go through the points in it if that would be applicable at this time,.

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Yes, please do okay, it sounds.

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Like you didn't get the email or the photos, but um this is a project that has been islam overdue. It was originally slated to be redone in 2016 2017, with the rest of the weight park, concrete streets which were completed, so these are concrete streets.

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This stretch of 33rd avenue northeast goes from central to stinson in your documentation, but I thought earlier it was only slated for central to johnson, which probably would be more appropriate at this time, because that's the worst by far section it was removed from the 2016-17 project very abruptly after we were told it was going to be in uh because city staff had stated that the road was too far gone to be included in what was going to go on and the rest of the weight park area.

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So it would be tackled later. We presume this meant a year or two, but we are now um five years beyond that and you've got it slated for another six years down the road so 11 years of a delay on this project, and it certainly has not gotten any better over 11 years. These are concrete streets that had a 40-year lifetime expectancy, um and so that puts this one at 60 years into its 40 years lifespan, and it is not only just we're not talking just ordinary pothole type of damage here.

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It is truly deteriorated um to the point where it's dangerous to all modes of transportation: people using all modes of transportation. Here uh it's truly a kind of a blighted and embarra embarrassment uh to the city as well as dangerous.

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It's now picking up pebble or rocks of some sort out of the potholes um and spewing them on to the sides of the road in the road on the sidewalk in the boulevards etc, which I think is dangerous. So since you can't see my photos, which I think are really telling, um I want to try to explain that we're talking uh city staff said this is 60 feet, 60 foot wide roadway. When I say there's deterioration, I mean curb to curb. I don't mean a pothole.

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The width of each block- and there are seven to ten of these sections that are deteriorating on each block and they're anywhere from a foot to four feet in width or height. I guess you would call it um so they're. You know 60 feet wide by one to four feet, so we're talking some substantial damage here and it would just take a quick look or ride up it up the road to realize that this is nearly impassable at certain times of the year.

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Right now um it looks like there were some concrete patches put on some areas closer to central as part of the other adjacent roads being done as sort of patches at the intersection, but there's much more. That needs to be done here. I have to avoid it these days.

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For the probably the past year, I have tried to find alternate routes, so I don't have to ride on this road or be on this road, because it is, it sounds and feels like it's going to be damaging to the vehicles, and I you know, I hate to think what a bike rider would think of it.

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Some of the areas even look like washouts in there, and it just keeps being patched upon patched upon patch asphalt patches on concrete, so they last maybe a year and it's frequently come up at our neighborhood meetings as a priority to be fixed, and I think people are very concerned and confused about why this is set back now 11 years, so the patches don't hold.

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You've also got it listed, as I noted for a one mile stretch, central distance, and I think it might be more cost effective if that's an issue to to half this and do the central to johnson stretch, which is in much worse condition than the johnson stinson stretch.

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Ideally if it would all be done, but it's definitely more damaged and deteriorating on the johnson to central stretch. It's a steep grade on this hill, all the way up to johnson.

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So it is probably not one of the more popular bike routes for anybody, and I see that your project listed as a sidewalk boulevard tree bike facility project. Now so much more grandiose than we were talking about back in 2016 and again, some other ada ramp. Improvements have already been made and, like I said, don't know that it's a real popular bike route due to the steepness of the grade, but as far as travel.

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It is one of the few roads in this area that goes straight through central all the way over to the city border aside from 29th avenue, which is also slated to be redone, because it's in bad shape and then 37th, which is also slated to be redone, because it's in bad shape, um and that also is- is kind of a break in the neighborhood because of the railroad tracks that go through there. So it's not always convenient or workable to even get up to 37th and use 37th, because you would be blocked by the trains.

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Sometimes they are sitting in place as well as moving these um unit trains of 100 cars or more because it's near shoreham yards. So.

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I would advise.

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Just concentrating on the road itself, the boulevards and the trees and the sidewalks look like they're in relatively good shape.

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Thank you, ms bonneville. um Can we it appears that um so you are ward one. Is this not.

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uh Yes, it is ward one, and also I'm I'm wondering why you didn't get my email, because it does have more information about how this actually does not coincide with the city's 2040, comprehensive plan, environmental justice or its equity goals.

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Well, let's check.

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Let's uh email that was about that as well, one out of 62 and even parklets were a higher priority. So I'm questioning some of the prioritization done by the city. um Thank.

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You so we will uh let's get first of all. I know that steve brant has his hand raised and then robert harrison with the city.

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uh Perhaps robert has a technical response regarding your communication and then we'll do steve who's been patiently waiting to make a comment, and then we probably should have the ward one representative speak to it as well.

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Yeah, so this is robert from the city. I do just want to affirm gail. We we do have your email, I'm sorry about the um the the hiccup. uh We have been monitoring our click email, but I I think that one slipped through the cracks and we can certainly circulate it uh so folks have access to it.

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Just very briefly, here we were able to bring up a series of photos presented in the email of the conditions on the um on the infrastructure uh up for click members to and members of the public, to view as well, to the extent that they have access to the uh to the video that we've got here. So we do have that information and we'll be sharing it out. Thank you again,.

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Thank you, robert steve.

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Brandt, I would um I I know that one of the things that stood out to me when I was reviewing the proposed capital program this year was that three streets within um eight blocks of each other, um 37th, 33rd and 29th, were all scheduled for reconstruction um in the in the six-year capital program.

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um The quickest one, the soonest one is 37th, that's been on our list for a while and 33rd is the farthest out. If you were to base it on importance to the neighborhood amount of traffic and condition which of those three, would you give priority to.

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You're asking me, I would say: 33rd um I've given on 37th and I've drive driven on 29th quite a bit as well. All three of these, I think 33rd, is in the most damaged and deteriorated condition. It may not have as high of traffic volume as the other two, but I think the other two seem a little bit more serviceable. 37Th is pretty pretty bad and takes a lot more traffic.

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29Th isn't remarkable in my mind. I guess, but and like I say, 37th is inaccessible in a way. If you look at where the railroad tracks in the rail yard are, you can't always depend on getting to or from the neighborhood going that direction and north on central or north on johnson either you could be blocked, so you would go around and you would be using 33rd. So it's a more accessible road.

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Thank you. I have been blocked at 37th on central, so I know what you mean.

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Very good, uh let's see if, um if either ward one member, maybe dan miller, is free to comment. Sorry dan, to put you on the spot. If you do, you have a response or I.

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Can do a response, but uh I would like to just uh pass it over to jake the other ward, one jake mccormick, the other ward one uh uh representative, and uh if, if he has nothing to say I'll, follow him or I'll follow him. If I'd like just to let him leave it's possible.

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It's six o'clock sure, um so I actually uh it's interesting. You bring up the bike issues I biked on 29th down to central for a while, and they I, I would actually say 33 for sure, has more issues than 29th.

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At least 37 is pretty hard to do too, but um I, I actually think you do bring up a a good point in the sense that a lot of the streets in in this area, or at least between um 29th and 37th, have uh have a lot of those long-term potholes that espec actually on 29th going down the hill there past johnson, um those have been filled before, but uh from my experience it took a little bit before we got to that point.

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um I actually, I actually would agree with you that that 33rd is, is the street that, while it's not heavily trafficked from a commercial perspective, it is definitely one that that um in area where there are a lot of kind of growing issues from a pothole perspective and not been bigger than that, um I do think it's actually a uh an area that that does deserve some sooner attention. Rather than later, just from a safety perspective too.

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You all right um dan comment, otherwise, we'll um see if miss bonneville has anything further and then we should move on to the next resident.

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I think it's worth uh reviewing this with I'm on the transportation subcommittee and I'd be uh willing to uh prepare a comment. A click comment uh specifically perhaps about uh the uh previous asphalt repaving and the length of time between that and uh when this uh construction is planned and uh uh to uh miss bonneville. uh uh This just came on to the click uh schedule last year and I do not have it in front of me, but I know with the projects that have had msa funding uh both uh well.

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I know uh 29th avenue was delayed two years. I'm I'm unclear about 33rd I'll, have to go back and take a look at that, but um I'll be in looking at your notes and see if I can uh get an appropriate comment put together and see if uh the group can, if it if it can help to score this project higher yeah.

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Thanks dan so miss bonneville anything further or we're going to move on to the next resident. Thank you for.

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Watching. Thank you very much for the consideration and your time.

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Yeah, thank you then, we'll next go to chris lindy.

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And if you would just state your name again and your uh residence or your neighborhood, please.

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Excellent hello, everybody.

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Good evening.

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All right, so you can't hear me we can hear you excellent. So let me let me uh let me start over hello, everybody. uh My.

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Name is chris.

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Lindy um I live in the saint anthony west neighborhood and I'm also on a small group of people. That's looking forward! That's working on the great northern greenway, which is a combination of viewing two city projects, the 18th avenue trail northeast and the 26th avenue trail in north to be seeing that as one um continuous project.

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um So I am here to comment on bp006. I'm glad to see that this is up for construction sooner than later.

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It's all for me with city projects. It seems to be that to feel fill important gaps is really important to existing trails, because a trail- that's not continuous, is not really usable for the whole thing and if you're on a bike, it's much easier to keep going forward than turning.

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So with this project. It's really nice to see, because I think this is a crucial gap, as it connects not only the 18th avenue trail, but it also connects to the east bank trail right there, on which also uh terminus is right there on 18th and marshall.

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Also, um it's also nice to see that the 18th avenue trail would actually start on 18th avenue now or thereabouts, rather than 16th avenue, which is always kind of confusing to people that want to use the path um that the 18th avenue trail starts on 16th avenue northeast and there is a pretty well worn desire path. I believe they call that with um a path that's already there, since the one set of train tracks has been removed.

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um So please try to like. I said I believe this is up sooner than later for construction, which is um really exciting and really happy. um So I'm just here to comment on that to make sure that it gets across the finish line sooner than later, um also kind of related to this subject.

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There's another gap in the 18th avenue trail that I don't necessarily believe is up on any project, but it deals with the city-owned maintenance yard on washington and 18th.

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I know that there's a new maintenance yard facility on university and I believe, 30 on 29th, um so with this kind of freeing up of this of the old lot, it would be a prime opportunity for the city and click to be able to take some of this land and dedicate it to the further extension of the 18th avenue trail.

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That would give us one more block without a detour.

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So I believe that is all that I have to comment um about tonight, except for there's one more thing: I'm sorry!

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If I may, um I third avenue northeast there is a bike trail that was under as much discussion of at least in my world, of of whether the city owned it or not, and I believe that transportation and public works um just recently issued an amendment to the aaa all-access network for a bicycle, and they said that they were willing to consider this to be city property, so in the future they're looking for funding for this, for either maintenance or repair.

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um So in the future. I would like to kind of direct the clicks attention to that third avenue northeast. It's a trail between central and may and finally I'd just like to say thank you to everybody who serves on click.

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I know it's a lot of time, so I've heard it's a lot of time, it's very deep in minutia, so I appreciate every city volunteer um and staff that works with click to get these projects.

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Go check out the ducks.

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Okay, thank you. Thank you, chris. So let's uh we have a couple of members who want to comment and amity foster was first.

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Sure, thanks jeff um chris, I'm glad you brought up vp06. It's literally like three blocks two blocks away from my apartment and I'm also very happy that it's moving along, um especially under covid. That trail is just like used daily and it's unsafe, and this is going to complete a trail that desperately needs it. So I'm glad you spoke up in support of it. I think the other part that you're talking about, though dan, is this the same as the is this is that what you wrote about in your comment around the maintenance building.

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Yes, that's the east. uh The east side made of the old east side maintenance garage at.

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Very good, so then we can go next to steve brandt.

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Mr lindy, I just wanted to um clarify here what you're requesting is that a capital budget request be developed by city staff to complete the portion of the trail that is now essentially winding around in the area of the former city or the property that's owned by the city. But it used to be the maintenance yard you'd like to see a that get on quick schedule.

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Okay, thank you. Thank you.

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And let's see the two members who spoke have their hands raised yet, but uh anyone.

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Else anything further, mr lindy.

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Thank you for participating.

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Thank you. Thank you very much.

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Thank you and then.

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Good well, thank you. Then. I said uh we check in with mr jim hagan, who attended a previous public input session.

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Jim hagen, are you still on the call.

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Hi, this is jim.

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Yes, just can hear you fine, oh.

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Oh great, okay, thanks um yeah. I wanted to thank the clique members also when I called in with the questions and comments about wtr12.

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I appreciated them being you know, taken with with great seriousness and further inquiry. So thank you for that. um I I do have one question that I've realized that I probably should have asked before, which was in the requests the budget requests.

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I think, if I understand correctly, there's a place where the requesters identify how much money would be saved or additional money is spent by being granted. The request is: did I get that right.

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There should be, and- and we can, staff will perhaps pull that up. At least we can.

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See that yeah thanks, so what I was curious about is you know I was concerned about uh old water mains and the problems they caused for ratepayers consumers, and I was in wtr12. I couldn't understand.

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Well, first off I couldn't they don't list the projects as projects, it's sort of one lump sum program of a budget, but I think there is a number for how much money would be saved.

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You know by doing these projects- and I just wanted- is there any breakdown of that to see how those numbers were calculated.

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Is pulling that up.

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Now robert is pulling.

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Our public facing, uh while he's doing that here we go.

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So if you're asking is there detail in the capital budget request that click sees into the very uh you know the minutia, as was said earlier of you know how many dollars and cents, for you know a new pipe or a re-lining or how many hours of time per project.

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I would say my experience. It doesn't get that I've been on click nearly 25 years and I don't think I've seen it that granular uh and other members can comment and then your your comment about the you know, having uh kind of a component, a consolidated program versus gates and manholes and valves- and you know so in my service on click, I've seen it either way and and for a while it'll be maybe it'll be separated, and then maybe click members will say.

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Well we'd like to see this as one big consolidated program or some other stakeholder, and then they put it together and then maybe a few years later, that people say well we'd like to see this broken out more, so it has been. In my experience I would, I would argue that it has been.

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You know, sort of uh cyclical but yeah.

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Other members want to comment.

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From our transportation.

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Or maybe we can call on steve again.

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I think I'm not really prepared to go beyond what that you said chair uh on john bernstein would be the right person and I think he had a conflict tonight. Okay, okay,.

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uh Yeah thanks, if you'd like, I could just just sort of offer one opinion about that.

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Yeah, please do.

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um I I think for wtr12 uh in the report. The oral report, as I understand that about half of the request is for.

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Basically or water main uh replacements or linings and the other half is for, as you said, like miscellaneous hydrants and manholes and stuff like that, um so.

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I guess I would hardly expect anyone to look at that granular level of what manholes, but for half of the requested amount. I think it's for three projects, three or four discrete projects. You know like fulton,.

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Project, which is you know, specific blocks, and every year it's about three or four discrete projects. They all have a name. They all have.

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You know they all get sort of lumped together for this roughly three to five million dollars per year, but I just wondered if uh for that, it would seem useful to have at least the breakdown by projects such as there are for street projects where it actually gives the name of the street or the intersection or the bridge, or something like that just because it is real, easily divisible in this.

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I don't think it's granular at all, then, for the thing about what is it saving I mean if that could be done, even just dividing it between uh sort of hydrant replacements and lining. My concern is that there's a lot of cost that is being spent in trying to nurse along these obsolete water mains and it's costs born by both the ratepayers and by the city in having to come out and do flushing and repeat, receive repeat phone calls and um and and.

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Then there are.

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Certain things that are not being done, for example, the director of the water division, had said that you know due to budget reasons or cost reasons they don't. They don't notify consumers, as would be ideal about when the flushing is going on, um which would be useful because then they could prepare or not introduce so much uh sediment into their homes. But those are all cost things I'm just thinking. If all of the costs were considered, it may make the infrastructure replacement look more worthwhile. So that's that's really. My only comment about that.

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Well, thank you will duly noted and.

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Typically, water services projects are highly rated and and enterprise funded projects are are looked at separately in their categories.

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Oh by category of the enterprise fund, so water is.

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One category.

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uh Yeah, uh but I that was my impression from looking at it, but that.

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My basic concern is, I don't think enough. Money is being spent on capital improvements in the water system, so we're okay,.

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All paying the price of that it's, it's kind of like we're having discussions about. Well, how do you, how do you darn a sock? That's already been darned six times before at some point: it's well you throw it out and get a new sock is what you do: okay and spending so much time trying to keep something alive. That's outlived its usefulness.

B

Well, thank you duly noted. um Any other members have any comments.

B

Not seeing anyone, so we don't have our transportation chair as steve mentioned john, is unable to attend tonight.

B

I will say, mr hagan, that at the time that the membrane filtration was being considered, the water services did create a citizen advisory committee for for water services, and I had the opportunity to serve on that and and so that potentially could be something that, because you're you're going about consumer consumers not being notified because of the cost and the impact on on residents to their own expensive appliances.

B

um Now the ultra filtration membrane filtration process was based on risk perceived from milwaukee wisconsin, where some people were sickened. You know a lot of people were sickened and it was a large, very large investment, and so there was a sort of an experts and residence advisory body that was established for several years and so minneapolis is pretty known for having, I think like 52 boards and commissions or more.

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I think it's larger now, it's you know one border commission for every week of the year, um but perhaps you know that perhaps there'd be need for one more to uh or to be a consumer advisory for the water utility, because click scope is so wide right.

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uh Yeah I appreciate that I appreciate how much time you have been able to give to you know the one this one particular thing that I'm interested in calling about sorry and.

B

I

I can understand that, thank you for telling me about that other advisory committee meeting or other advisory board, because I can imagine that once this inventory is finished, which is underway for the water system and we can identify how many blocks are negatively affected by the you know aged the system is as ours is. We may be talking about a you know, a significant infrastructure overhaul that would warrant.

I

You know more serious study, as opposed to the typical annual replacements done year by year, in which case I could certainly see the value of a board like you're talking about. So thanks for bringing that up.

B

My pleasure, thank you for uh bringing your ideas forward and for participating in both of our input sessions.

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Are there any other residents attending who wish to comment tonight.

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Any other residents who wish to comment on capital budget requests before click this year.

B

Last call for any additional public input, not seeing anyone or hearing anyone seeing any hand raised uh anything further from staff present, amelia kruger or any other click members.

G

Nope I'm good. Thank you.

B

Okay, well: uh how about any other click members?

B

If not, then we will wind this.

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Up so we'll close the public hearing and unless any other click members have anything.

B

So, robert with that we've completed all items on the agenda for this meeting, with the exception of the announcing that we do have two more weeks of our task force meetings and so further information, probably best for residents to simply look at the minneapolis lim system for the capital long-range improvement committee, the last members and staff, if there any other matters to come before this meeting.

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I will check the chat.

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I'm reminded of one thing that I forgot to do, which was just to say thank you so much to justin. He is going to be starting um three weeks of leave tomorrow and I just wanted to thank him so much for all the help. He's done he's been such a positive influence on this group. So I just wanted to make sure. I publicly said that before he leaves us tomorrow for a little while.

B

Absolutely and on behalf of the clique members as chair I'll say, thank you justin for your fantastic work during the session. Getting the click session launched into space, we're on our way to the moon, land and the moon come back so anyway. uh Thank you. Justin best wishes.

A

Thank you. Thank you, amelia and jeff from the entire committee. I look forward to coming back in a couple weeks and seeing the comments and the work on the quick report. So thank you all.

B

Okay, very good, if not without objection, I'll, declare this meeting adjourned and then we'll resume according to the schedule published in the lim system. As to the next click meetings, which the next two weeks will be task force meetings, thank you and good night.

F

I

Thank you good night, great good night, everyone. Thank you.