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A
Go
ahead:
okay!
Well,
welcome
everyone
to
the
subcommittee
meeting,
engineering
and
infrastructure
for
this
month.
We
are
glad
that
you're
all
here
I
have
something
to
read:
the
members
of
the
board
may
participate
remotely
by
telephone
or
other
electronic
means
due
to
the
local
public
health
emergency
novel
coronavirus
pandemic,
declared
on
march
16
2020.
A
B
Yes,
okay
on
the
call,
in
addition
to
to
the
list
that
was
read,
I
also
have
jim
and
mark
from
tkda
and
some
samantha
as
well
so
they're,
our
consultant
team
and
they've
been
supporting
us
with
a
lot
of
the
engineering
work
and
then
some
of
the
engagement
materials
as
well.
So
I'll
leave
the
presentation.
B
I'm
going
to
start
sharing
my
screen,
there's
not
a
ton
of
content
here,
so
I'll,
try
to
skim
through
it
pretty
quickly
and
then
give
space
for
the
committee
to
ask
questions
and
give
comments,
so
I'm
just
going
to
hop
into
it.
So
this
is
our
10
concept
we
presented
to
you
all
earlier
this
summer.
I
can't
believe
it's
already
fall
now
and
now
we
have
a
conceptual
regular
design
concept
that
we'd
love
to
share
with
you
all
and
get
your
feedback
on.
B
So
just
some
of
the
background.
You
know
the
cedar
lake
road
bridge
that
travels
over
the
bnsf
railroad
tracks
was
built
in
1941.
It's
near
the
end
of
its
useful
life.
I
mean
we
are
proposing
replacing
that
bridge
as
we
do
with
all
aging
infrastructure
in
our
city,
so
that
it's
it's
able
to
maintain
and
function
properly.
You
know
with
this
project
we
are
aiming
to
improve
the
bike
pad
access
and
safety,
maintain
vehicular
access
and
also
coordinate
with
our
agency
partners.
B
The
park
board,
which
has
the
loose
line
adjacent
to
this
facility
and
then
the
bnsf
rail,
which
has
active
rail
tracks
that
operate
underneath
the
bridge.
Adt
is
about
1500
vehicles
a
day,
so
a
low
volume
roadway,
you
know
bike
and
ped
volumes
are
pretty
high.
You
know
I
will
caveat
with
an
ashtrack
that
the
bike
and
pet
data
was
actually
taken
from
the
intersection
of
pen
in
cedar
lake
road
south,
which
is
just
a
little
bit
to
the
east
of
that
project
area.
B
Just
because
there's
no
actual
bike
pet
counts
that
have
been
conducted
on
the
bridge,
but
it
still
gives
you
kind
of
a
general
layout
of
the
volume.
Yet
I
think
for
most
folks
at
a
bike
walked
or
driven
over
there.
We
all
know
that
it's
a
pretty
popular
connection
point
for
multimodal
access.
There.
C
B
Active
transit
routes
that
run
across
that
bridge,
so
here's
the
project
map
we
have
the
red
mark
here.
That
represents
the
bridge.
We
have
the
loose
line
trail
here
that
provides
a
connection
and
travels
over
the
bridge.
It
connects
them
to
bryn
mawr
park
and
also
into
the
cedar
lake
regional
trail.
B
B
B
B
Here's
a
high-level
view
of
the
proposed
improvements
I
wouldn't
get
too
hung
up
on
this.
We're
still
not
done
designing
the
intersection,
but
this
really
just
highlights
that
we're
putting
in
bike
facilities
we're
putting
in
the
sidewalk
we're
putting
in
roadway
facilities
as
well,
and
this
kind
of
shows
the
the
northern
terminus
of
the
project
and
then
the
southern
terminus
will
be
after
the
intersection.
So
we
will
be
reconstructing
the
intersection
as
well
and
then
tying
into
the
loose
line
trail
to
burn
my
park.
B
This
is
the
existing
bridge
cross
section,
so
six
foot
bike
lane.
I
think,
on
the
last
light
I
said
five
feet,
but
I
apologize
for
six
foot
bike
lane.
You
know
two
12
foot
travel
lanes
and
then
a
bike
lane
sidewalk
you
can
see
here
we
have
a
total
width
of
50
feet
and
our
proposed
treatment
actually
widens
that
bridge.
So
we
went
from
50
feet
to
56
feet.
With
this
proposed
design.
We
have
an
at
deck
grade,
bike
and
pedestrian
facility.
B
So
the
that
you
see
the
pedestrian
facility
here,
which
is
six
feet.
You
see
a
seven
foot
bike
lane
and
then
you
see
the
roadway
are
all
at
the
same
grade
level,
and
then
we
have
a
seven
inch
race
curve.
That's
two
feet
wide
to
separate
the
cyclists
and
pedestrians
from
any
motor
vehicle
traffic.
The
same
on
the
other
side
of
the
bridge.
The
roadway
is
24
feet.
Wide
msa
standards
require
a
24
foot
width.
B
We
have
other
active
rail
line,
bridges
in
the
city,
with
bridges
at
different
heights
and
different
designs,
and
I
can
talk
through
some
of
those
I
mean
we
are
exploring
what
that
bridge
will
actually
look
like
and
in
our
future
engagement,
which
will
happen
later
in
the
spring
late
winter.
I
will
be
hoping
to
share
actual
concepts
because
we,
the
reality
is.
B
We
know
that
the
the
bridge
height
is
going
to
be
a
really
active
piece
of
conversation,
and
I
think
comparing
it
especially
to
this
older
version
that
was
only
about
five
feet
tall
and
now
we're
going
to
10
feet
is
obviously
a
little
disconcerting
to
some
folks.
You
know
this
bridge
was
built
in
1941
so
80
years
ago,
and
bnsf
has
changed
a
lot
of
their
requirements
and
standards
for
their
for
their
facilities
around
the
city.
So
we're
working
within
that,
but
also
trying
to
have
some
flexibility
to
have
a
more
aesthetic
design.
B
So
yeah,
I
said
the
bridge
is
going
from.
You
know
50
feet
to
56
feet,
so
we're
widening
it
by
six
feet:
we're
enhancing
bike
pet
facilities
separating
them
from
motorists
project
schedule.
We
have
our
open
house
next
tuesday
and
then
we're
expecting
to
so
we'll
be
sharing.
Basically,
this
content
at
the
open
house
next
tuesday,
and
then
you
know
this
is
a
an
update.
B
B
B
I
don't
know
how
to
say
it
from
a
technical
standpoint,
but
there
wasn't
really
a
good
space
to
add
in
a
bench
or
a
seating
area
directly
on
the
bridge.
However,
we
have
and
are
exploring
the
possibility
of
adding
some
benches
around
here,
connecting
to
the
loose
line
trail
and
so
we're
working
with
the
park
board
they're
supportive
of
that
we'll
be
providing
that
input
at
our
engagement
process
on
next
week.
B
But
there
is
a
possibility
to
put
in
some
bench
seating
in
this
area
over
here
as
it
connects
to
the
loose
line
trail
in
conjunction
with
the
park
board.
So
that
was
one
piece
of
feedback
from
the
pse
that
I
wanted
to
add
it's
it's
not
in
the
slide
deck.
I
didn't
want
to
change
it
after.
It
was
already
submitted
to
the
clerk's
office.
Any
questions.
B
Great
question,
so
we
are
exploring
that.
I
don't
know
if
you
all
know
joe
lauren
from
traffic
department
services,
but
we
have
been
consulting
with
him
around
the
placement
of
lighting
and
we
haven't
finalized
anything
yet,
but
we
think
there
are
opportunities
to
provide
some
lighting.
It
would
not
actually
be
placed
on
the
bridge.
B
I
can
let
jim
talk
to
some
of
the
limitations
from
an
engineering
standpoint
with
that,
but
it
is
possible
that
we
could
put
in
some
lighting
just
north
of
the
bridge,
particularly
in
this
area,
but,
like
I
said,
we're
still
working
with
joe
alarm
from
traffic
and
parking
services
around
that.
But
that
is
a
possibility.
C
C
We
also
have
the
concerns
of
the
bnsf
railroad.
They
don't
like
lighting
directly
above
their
tracks,
and
we
also
have
the
limitations
with
the
grade
rays.
That's
going
to
happen
to
get
up
to
achieve
the
bnsf
clearance
underneath
the
bridge
it's
going
to
be
putting
us
closer
to
the
overhead
transmission
lines,
so
we
have
to
stay.
You
know
outside
of
that
swing
envelope
of
those
low
conductors,
but
I
do
believe
there's
opportunity
to
put
additional
street
lighting
north
of
the
bridge
between
cedar
lake
road
bridge
over
beyond
and
the
bridge
over
bassett
creek.
C
G
G
C
E
G
B
H
G
Yeah
basically-
and
I
guess
I
also
wondering,
if
you're
starting
to
use
adjusted
numbers
in
the
way
that,
in
the
past
we've
seen
roads
designed
with
a
certain
predicted
vehicle,
use
two
percent
growth
per
year.
Whatever?
Are
we
starting
to
see
that
with
the
tap
integrated
into
things
and
adjusting
for
that?
What
would
that
look
like
to
design
this
bridge
with
that
really
at
the
forefront.
B
So
I
you
know
it's.
I
would
say
that
the
way
we've
approached
this
design
is
providing.
You
know,
access
for
bikes,
pads
and
vehicles
and
knowing
that
the
vehicle
volume
is
low
and
knowing
that
we
need
to
meet
a
minimum
roadway
width
of
24
feet.
So
we
treated
the
roadway
design
in
a
way
to
have
10
foot
travelings
to
minimize
design
speeds.
B
You
know
we're
giving
13
feet
on
each
side
of
the
roadway
to
biking
pets,
and
I
think
that
can
accommodate
a
pretty
high
volume.
I
would
imagine
that
this
design
can
accommodate
significantly
more
volume
than
than
is
even
actually
occurring
on
that
bridge,
so
that
that's
my
general
comments
around
the
kind
of
modal
volume
predictions.
B
I
I
Think
the
answer
is,
is
no
julia.
We
don't
have
like
numbers
in
the
in
the
way
that
you're
asking
it.
I
mean
we
obviously
have
our
our
tap
goals
and
our
complete
series
priority
and
are
trying
to
include
that
in
in
the
design.
But
we
don't
have
specific
numbers
that
I
think
influence
this
effect
and
that's
the
other
question.
G
A
B
Well,
I
I
think
we
would
love
to
have
a
resolution
when
we
come
back
with
a
30
concept
which
would
be
in
the
late
winter
early
spring,
and
that's
where
we'll
have
you
know
our
final
30
concept
that
will
be
followed
by
our
virtual
media
and
then
followed
by
a
tpw
layout,
but
so
in
the
interim,
we're
not
requesting
a
resolution
but
are
always
open
to
feedback
comments.
Questions
concerns
that
you
may
have.
G
B
G
B
B
B
It's
also
not
scoped
anywhere
in
any
of
our
documents
around
redesigning
this
corridor,
not
on
the
tab,
not
in
really
any
document.
So
there's
really
no
planning
guidance
behind
eliminating
vehicles
from
this
roadway
network.
I
can
let
measure
talk
to
the
cost
of
reducing
vehicle
lanes,
but
I
don't
think
it's.
I
would
say
it's
it's.
D
A
Alexander,
I
can
share
with
you
that
I
I
read
recently
the
the
bac's
proposal
or
their
resolution,
and
I
can't
read
the
one
that
I
have,
because
I
don't
have
it
before
me,
but
I
can
talk
a
little
bit
about
it
and
if
we
want
to
read
it,
somebody
else
could
read
it.
I
just
I
can't
read
it
because
I
don't
have
it
handy,
but
I
know
that
they
talked
about
the.
A
And
I
I
agree
you're
right,
I
don't
think
it's,
I
don't
think
it's
clarified
definitively
in
the
tap
and
and
I'm
sure
there
isn't
a
policy
outsider
right
now
that
speaks
to
that.
But-
and
I'm
just
you
know,
I'm
just
representing
what
I
saw.
I
don't
I
don't
have
the
full
thing
here.
I
have
it
on
my
computer,
but
I
don't
have
it
readily
accessible.
B
That's
300
feet
long
that
doesn't
really
factor
into
account
the
other
multiple
miles
of
the
roadway
network
and
the
other
implications
of
that,
and
so
that's
kind
of
I
don't
disagree
with
illuminating
railway
network.
Fundamentally,
I've
lived
in
other
places
that
have
done
a
really
good
job
of
that,
but
it
has
to
be
a
more
comprehensive
vision
and
I
don't
think
that
currently
exists.
G
B
H
It's
it's
a
tough
question,
but
it
is
definitely
when
bridges
are
used
more
often
by
vehicular
traffic
or
any
any
other
traffic
for
sure
that
the
life
is
not
as
wrong,
but
even
bridge
sitting
for
a
long
period
of
time,
too,
is
with
the
minimum
use
with
weather
and
other
factors
which
also
deteriorate,
but
it's
not
as
as
much,
but
there
is
a
tendency
to
do
so
yeah.
It
would.
C
And
this
is
jim
belfai
again
just
to
you
know,
bear
in
mind
that
if
you
did
make
this
purely
a
trail
and
sidewalk
type
of
bridge,
you're
still
going
to
have
snow,
plows
and
icing
that's
going
to
occur
on
that,
so
those
factors
are
not
going
away.
You're
still
going
to
have
the
heavy
vehicles
and
you're
still
going
to
have
the
icing
and
snow
removal
operations
out
there.
So
those
are
going
to
continue
to
degrade
the
life
degrade
the
bridge
over
its
life.
A
A
I
think
that's
safer
for
all
people
and-
and
I
like
that,
it's
at
a
similar
grade
with
the
with
the
for
the
pedestrians,
and
I
hope
that
the
one
thing
I
would
say
would
be
for
visually
impaired.
People
is
that
there
is
some
definition
of
texture
for
the
pedestrian
versus
the
bicycle,
so
that
people
that
are
visually
impaired
have
a
clearer
sense
of
when
they're
moving
into
a
bike
lane.
If
they're
walking
across
that
bridge,.
G
To
talk
about
the
back
resolutions,
it's
reminding
me
of
the
discussion
we
had
around
the
third
avenue
bridge
central
and
how
there
was
a
plan,
for
I
mean
it
kind
of
got
shifted
with
kobe,
but
there
was
a
really
serious
plan.
Mandat
had
to
get
people
out
of
cars
and
moving
downtown
in
other
ways
because
of
the
closures
of
a
few
bridges
connecting
those.
But
at
the
same
time
there
was
no
ability
to
build
into
the
plan
any
information
gleaned
or
any
habit
shift.
I
B
G
A
B
B
I
lived
in
the
hague
in
the
netherlands
and
they
have
the
largest
car
free
zone
in
the
country
and
they
spend
about
25
years
kind
of
reconfiguring
their
downtown
to
restrict
vehicle
access,
and
so
you
know
they've
done
a
really
good
job
of
that,
but,
like
I
said
they
had
a
plan
like
I
know
the
city
of
minneapolis
has
plans
and
policies
around
reducing
mode
share
and
things
like
that.
But
you
know
having
a
plan
around.
How
do
you
reduce
your
roadway
network?
B
A
H
B
A
K
K
K
This
is
something
that
we'll
be
looking
at
when
we
go
through
this
that'll
help
shape
these
quarters
for
at
least
the
next
20
years
of
the
lifespan
of
the
roadway
so
be
looking
to
make
these
improvements
and
any
additional.
You
know,
non-motorized
improvements.
Also
so
for
2022,
we
just
have
a
a
couple
corridors.
K
So
on
the
map
we're
just
looking
at
these
lines
in
green,
so
there's
one
on
on
minnehaha.
It
goes
from
the
intersection
of
franklin
down
to
about
20
24th
street.
I
believe
it
is
so
just
a
shorter
segment
of
of
concrete
pavement
that
is
there
and
then
we
have
another
segment
on
42nd
avenue
from
42nd
street
heading
south
down
to
46th
street
and
then
also
we
have
44th
at
44th
avenue
or
I'm
sorry
44th
street,
that
runs
from
minnehaha
avenue
essentially
over
to
west
river
parkway.
K
So,
within
those
we
have
two
locations
and
we'll
continue
to
explore.
You
know
where
we
could.
I
have
other
opportunities,
but
from
this
we
have
two
locations
that
have
kind
of
come
out
to
us
at
this
point
that
we're
really
looking
at
for
more.
You
know
more
intense,
you
know,
improvements
this
location
here
with
franklin
and
and
minnie.
Currently
it's
a
it's
a
two
two
lane
roadway.
K
However,
we
do
have
this
semi
slip
lane
here
to
the
to
the
right
that
allows
vehicles
to
come
up
and
make
their
turn
at
franklin.
So
this
is
an
area
that
we'd
be
looking
at
when
franklin
kind
of
had
some
improvements
not
too
long
ago,
they
were
able
to
do
a
little
bit
of
ada
work
up
here
along
the
roadway,
but
this
is
something
that
we're
looking
at
as
a
greater
location
for
for
larger
scale
improvements
where
we
could
do
some
greening
some
storm
water
management.
K
There
is
quite
a
bit
of
of
opportunity
for
that:
a
removal
of
some
imperfect
pavements
and
just
a
an
overall,
more
enjoyable
and
and
safer
pedestrian
and
bicycle
realm
for
this
area.
You
can
see
you
know
just
from
the
street
view
that
we
do
have
quite
a
bit
of
concrete.
That's
busted
up
pretty
well,
there's
a
lot
of
areas
that
you
know
are
patched
up
with
asphalt.
K
K
Again,
you
can
kind
of
see
from
the
satellite
there's
a
lot
of
asphalt,
that's
holding
together
the
roadway
here
we
have
this
kind
of
an
odd
geometry
where
you
know
mini,
has
on
a
little
bit
of
this
angle
and
we
have
another
street
intersecting,
so
it
makes
for
you
know,
currently
a
really
wide
opening.
So
we
look
look
for
an
opportunity
to
to
really
redesign
the
geometry
of
this
location
and
and
implement
some
more
greening
and
storm
water
management.
K
We
have
good
safe
crossings
and
just
a
more
enjoyable
pedestrian
and
bicycle
realm,
so
those
are
our
two
locations
that
we're
looking
at
as
as
larger
improvements,
but
throughout
these
corridors
so
and
this
one's
pretty
short,
you
can
kind
of
see
where
the
concrete
starts
here
and
just
goes
up
to
minnehaha.
So
this
is
a
a
shorter
segment,
but
you
know:
we'd
be
looking
at
all
of
the
panels.
We're
working
with
consultant
to
provide
that
work
to
to.
K
Let
us
know
what
panels
will
need
to
be
replaced
or
repaired
and
as
we
look
at
those
that'll,
let
us
know
if
we
have
opportunities
throughout
the
corridor
for
just
panel
replacement
or
whether
it's
something
else
where
it's
replaced
with
greening,
if
it,
if
it
makes
sense
in
that
location,
you
know
traffic
calming
or
greening
those
sorts
of
items
just
as
an
opportunity.
So
so
this
is
one
location
and
then
I'll
kind
of
go
to
a
satellite
for
other
locations.
Just
to
give
you
a
better
sense.
A
K
K
This
is
another
location
it
doesn't
from
just
our
satellite
views
doesn't
look
like
we
have
too
much
going
on
at
this
location,
but
it
is
an
intersection
of
interest
to
us
just
because
we
do
have
the
school
here.
We
have
the
playground.
We
have.
You
know
just
the
park,
there's
a
little
bit
of
what
appears
to
be
some
plantings,
maybe
a
community
garden.
So
this
does
kind
of
act
as
our
entrance
to
this
area.
So
this
is
another.
K
You
know
really.
You
know
important
location
to
us
to
look
at
and
see.
How
can
we
help
improve
this
location
so
we'll
be
taking
a
hard
look
at
this
one
and
seeing
what's
possible
at
this
location
also,
and
then
our
last
corridor
is
here,
44th,
potentially
maybe
a
corridor
that
may
need
the
most
work
we'll
see
once
we
get
the
the
survey
back,
but
you
can
kind
of
just
see
from
a
high
level.
You
know
quite
a
few
panels
maybe
are
separating
from
each
other.
K
K
You
know
working
through
our
consultants
to
figure
out
what
our
designs
will
be
and
and
where
our
locations
for
which
we
can
find
those
opportunities
and
get
those
efficiencies
through
the
construction
realm
for
this
project
be
doing
extensive
community
engagement
throughout
this
fall
and
into
the
winter
just
to
get
feedback
and-
and
let
people
know
about
this
project
and
then
we'll
have
this
constructed
out
in
next
year.
Sometime
with
that,
that's
that's
kind
of
all.
K
I
have
for
you
at
this
time
just
really
early
on
in
this
in
this
project
and
in
this
process,
so
I'll
be
I'll,
be
back.
You
know
again
to
the
pac
just
to
kind
of
talk
through,
especially
once
we
start
coming
up
with
designs
and
locations
for
items
that
you
know
that
are
important
to
the
pack
to
come
back
with
so
have
more
for
for
the
pack
to
to
see
in
review.
At
that
time,.
K
J
Yeah
just
one,
I
I
really
like
the
the
slides
that
you
provided
to
us
and
and
in
this
there's
you
know
different
sections
on
partnerships
and
planning.
It
looks
like
it's.
A
form
that
is
filled
out.
Is
that
a
kind
of
a
form
or
a
template?
That's
usually
filled
out,
or
is
this
something
that
you've
put
together?
K
J
K
So
this
isn't
one
of
our
project,
so
this
isn't
its
formal,
like
project
page
that
we
list
on
the
on
the
city's
website.
This
is
from
our
our
open,
gov
website,
in
which-
and
I'm
not
sure,
if
matthew
or
someone
else
on
the
on
the
call
has
more
information
on
the
open
gov
how
that
exactly
works.
I
don't
have
a
ton
of
background
on
on
this
website
per
se.
Yeah.
I
Yeah
so-
and
we
can
talk
about
that
now
and
and
later
as
much
as
we
want.
But
basically
I
think
what
christian
is
sharing
is
what
we
call
a
capital
budget
request
which
outlines
a
a
standard.
You
know
set
of
information
for
each
project
and
that
that
cbr
is
how
projects
get
into
the
capital
improvement
program
and
that's
what
goes
to
click,
which
is
a
capital,
long
range
improvement
committee
which
eventually
ends
up
in
the
budget.
J
G
G
K
Yeah
dudley
noted,
and
just
what
I
was
showing
was.
It
was
just
a
google
map
and
these
are
so
the
streets
that
we
would
be
doing.
The
concrete
rehab
on
our
city
streets,
minnie
kind
of
up
at
franklin.
You
know
intersecting
with
the
with
the
county
roadway,
so
there
might
be
some
partnership
there,
but
I
don't
think
we'd
be
looking
to
get
into
franklin
itself.
It
would
just
be
the
the
work
on
the
the
southern
leg
of
the
the
intersection
so
solely
on
many.
G
I
mean,
I
know
that
it
doesn't.
It
seems
to
be
that
if,
if
it
intersects
with
mndot
in
an
overpass
or
an
underpass,
that's
where
we
start
losing
legal
crossings,
and
it
doesn't
seem
to
be
about
the
control
of
the
intersecting
road,
and
we
have
a
resolution
that
we've
passed
in
the
past
around
that
in.
A
The
only
one
I
would
have
is
it
sounds
like
you'll
be
doing
handicap
accessible
curves.
Would
that
be
on
every
if
you're,
just
at
the
corners,
when
you're
doing
that
you're
putting
in
concrete
I'm
assuming
you're
putting
in
repair
along
the
stretch
of
the
road?
Not
all
of
it
is
is
corners,
but
when
you
are
at
an
intersection,
you
will
be
upgrading
the
intersections
to
be
handicapped
accessible
to
curbing.
A
A
J
J
I
don't
know
whether
that
photo
could
be
displayed.
So
she
could
say
this
is
what
I'm
talking
about.
Can
we
do
that
on
this
project,
or
would
that
fall
a
foul
of
the
expectations
of
the
the
city
clerk's
office
when
it
comes
up
organically
in
a
conversation
discussion,
so
that's
kind
of
the
issues?
Maybe
you
guys
can
think
about
it.
We
can
coordinate
down
the
road.
J
H
A
L
So
since
it
came
up
like
I
might
as
well
just
do
the
real
high
level
right
now
so,
like
the
motivation
for
the
city
clerk's
office
is
to
make
sure
that
all
50
boards
and
commissions
are
compliant
with
the
open
meeting
law.
The
open
meeting
law
is
a
state
level
law,
and
so
they
interpret
it
and
they
give
their
direction
to
matthew,
millicent
anaya's
staff
on
how
to
carry
out
that
direction.
It's
not
really
matthew,
millicent
and
my
job
to
decide
how
to
interpret
that.
L
It
is
our
job
to
be
the
conduit
with
the
clerk's
office,
and
so
we
do
that
they
have
regular,
like
monthly
meetings
with
us
as
staff
and
all
other
50
boards
and
commission
staff
to
to
roll
these
things
out.
As
things
change,
there
was
another
state
law
passed
two
two
or
three
months
ago
that
that
changed
the
online
meeting.
L
The
way
online
meetings
work
basically,
once
there's
an
the
emergency
order
ends
from
minneapolis.
We
won't
be
able
to
have
online
meetings
the
way
that
we
do
now
pretty
much
at
all,
and
so
they
help
interpret
that
state
guidance
which
is
pretty
dense
and
has
a
lot
of
legalese
that
christopher
you'd
probably
be
able
to
decipher
better
than
I
would,
but
but
the
point
just
being
like
it's
not
like
a
simple
like
handout
flyer.
So
a
lot
of
what
we're
doing
is
is
taking
the
clerk's
office
at
at
face
value.
What
they've?
L
What
they've
explained
to
us
that
the
purpose
behind
it
is
one
to
make
sure
that
we're
not
breaking
laws
or
that
we're
like
definitely
within
the
bounds
of
the
laws.
Two
also
just
like
the
the
law
is
based
in
the
idea
of
transparency
and
accessibility,
and
so
they
try
to
also
not
just
interpret
the
law
but
like
we.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
transparent
and
accessible
as
a
city
as
well,
so
things
like
making
sure
the
items
are
online
two
days
in
advance.
L
Maybe
the
state
law
is
that
like,
if
we
had
it
up
six
hours
in
advance,
we'd
be
good,
but,
like
the
city
is
creating
a
standard
across
all
50
boards
and
commissions,
including
the
city
council
of
of
what
that
would
be,
and
so
it's
a
it's
been
a
pain
in
a
lot
of
ways
to
deal
with
all
this
stuff
and
like
milliseconds
on
milsim,
has
done
a
ton
of
work.
We've
done
a
lot
of
work
in
dealing
with
these
and
they're
frustrating.
L
L
We
hear
your
concerns
we
do
bring
these
concerns
up
and,
like
we've,
we've
had
concerns
of
our
own.
If
there
are
more
things
that
you
want
to
reiterate,
I
think
probably
the
best
first
step
is
to
do
that
through
matthew
miller
and
myself
and-
and
we
can
let
you
know-
kind
of
kind
of
what
happens
from
there,
but.
A
A
L
The
the
rule
that
we
send
out
and
that
we
that
we
live
by
is
that
the
the
lim's
agenda
has
to
be
in
the
clerk's
office.
Checks
with
us
milsim
will
get
an
email
very
quickly
if
the
agenda
is
not
on
limbs
at
noon
two
business
days
before,
and
so
then
we
also
hold
ourselves
to
the
standard.
That's
when
we
send
our
gov
delivery
out.
The
gov
delivery
is
not
as
like
explicit
in
that
open
meeting.
L
What
we
should
be
holding
ourselves
to
is
that
by
noon
two
days
before,
if
we
haven't
had
something
that
that
we
and
we've
had
to
cancel
like
like
one
or
two,
maybe
presentations
from
folks.
Unfortunately,
when
they
just
can't
get
the
details
in
and
that's
a
huge
change
from
in
person,
I
would
reprint
the
agendas,
sometimes
a
minute
before
I
walked
over,
depending
on
someone
like
having
a
child
care
change
or
whatever
it
was,
but
ray.
D
F
Thanks
chris
yeah
I
mean
I'm
I'm
looking
at
the
open
meeting
statute
right
now
and
it
just
the
requirement
seems
to
be
that
we
just
make
sure
that
we
can
all
hear
each
other
and
hear
all
the
discussion
and
testimony.
So
I
mean
I'm
a
little
confused
about
why
the
clerk's
office
has
interpreted
it
in
this
way.
But
that's
maybe
a
separate
issue.
My
question
is:
does
the
clerk's
office
have
their
like
guidelines
written
down
somewhere.
L
We
have
some
guides
that
they've
sent
to
us
that
we
can
look
into
like
if
those,
if
those
are
things
that
we're
that,
like
make
sense
to
send
out
like
if
they're
like
fitting
for
this
some
of
it's
just
been
kind
of
like
word
of
mouth.
So
I
I
guess
off
hand.
I
honestly
can't
remember
if
there's
like
a
guide,
all
right.
G
L
I
I'll
be
honest.
I
I
wasn't
paying
super
close
attention
to
like
the
details
of
what
was
being
it's
my
second
time
here
in
that
presentation.
So
I
I
don't.
I
don't
know
if
he
moved
off
that
page.
We
we
tr
like
if
I
noticed
someone
bringing
up
something
that
we
haven't
had.
I
I
would
try
to
tell
them
like
hey.
That's,
that's
not
an
accordance
like
the
reality
is
anytime.
We
break
the
open
meeting
law.
It's
not
like
this
committee
is
then
like
this
banned
or
like
there's.
L
No,
like
formal
thing,
that's
going
to
happen,
but
it's
just
our
regular
practice
has
to
meet
certain
standards
so
that
we
we
don't
just
continually
kind
of
like
knowingly
break
things,
but
and
if
you
ever
notice
anything
that
you
think
is
out
of
compliance
and
you
want
to
speak
up
like
I'll
I'll
back
you
up
on
that.
If,
if
I
agree
or
I'll
give
you
my
my
reading
of
whether
or
not
I
think
it
is
or
not.
G
I
don't
want
to
get
anyone
in
trouble
and
that
my
my
goal
would
be
accessibility
and
transparency,
and
I
just
don't
feel
from
what
I'm
seeing
that
those
goals
are
aligned
with
what
the
information
we're
being
given.
Just
in
that
there
might
be
there's
not
necessarily
a
guideline,
as
rayna
pointed
out
that
we
can
go
to
and
say
yes,
this
is
what's
going
on
or
no
this
isn't.
D
G
I
know
I've
talked
to
people
who
haven't
been
able
to
get
into
our
meetings
like
there's
some
definite
increased
accessibility
barriers,
as
don
has
pointed
out
and
as
I've.
I've
also
noticed-
and
I
don't
know
even
where
to
give
that
information
like
when
people
can't
get
into
the
meeting,
despite
using
the
correct
phone
number
or.
L
Yeah
I
mean,
if
they're
having
technical
issues
like
come
through
us.
I
mean
we
set
up
these
meetings.
Millicent
sets
up
the
recurring
meetings
and-
and
we
can
provide
that
information
for
folks
to
to
get
in
I'll,
just
say:
you're
right,
julia,
like
there
are
aspects
of
this
and
just
online
meeting
in
general
that
do
not
improve
accessibility
for
for
all
folks.
G
It's
going
to
be
difficult,
no
matter
what,
but
I
would
expect
like
with
with
voting,
there's
a
specific
way
to
give
feedback
on
what
isn't
working
and
then
they
can
use
it
to
determine
you
know.
Was
there
an
error
with
the
person
trying
to
vote?
Did
they
have
the
wrong
information
or
was
there
something
in
the
system
that
was
not
set
up
correctly
and
for
a
system
as
new?
As
this,
I
don't
feel
comfortable
with
the
idea
that
the
only
line
of
feedback
is
kind
of.
L
L
D
L
Make
it
like
I
I
can
we
can
do
a
better
job
of
following
up
if
you
feel
like
we,
we
haven't,
like
I'm,
I'm
happy
to
report
back.
If,
if
you
have
a
specific
ask
for
us
to
bring
to
the
clerk's
office,
I
mean
I
mean
I
mean
I
I
think
unfortunately,
what's
what's
happened
is
like
we
have
made
those
asks,
because
we
also
want
the
same
thing
and
the
answer's
been
like
a
simple.
L
No,
and
that's
that's
not
what
folks
on
this
call
want-
and
I
I
totally
understand
that,
like
I,
I
appreciate
that
there
are
many
ways
that
we
could
be
using
technology
to
broaden
accessibility
and
unfortunately,
some
of
those
are
stifled
due
to
some
of
the
process
pieces
that
we
that
we
have
to
follow.
But
but
there
are
reasons
for
those
and
and
again
like
it's.
G
Or
militant
or
matthew,
it's
that
it's
that
the
clerk
is
not
being
transparent
about
what's
going
on
or
how
these
decisions
are
being
made
in
a
way
that,
as
you
said,
they
have
50
different
advisory
committees
that
they're
overseeing,
but
there's
no
there's
no
communication
from
them
directly
to
us.
It's
only
through
an
intermediary
and
complex
and
changing
information,
and
that
seems
not
good
process
and
not
transparent.
L
If
you
have
feedback
on
like
how
we
could
improve
that
I'd
be
interested
to
hear
it.
I
I
mean
a
little
bit
of.
It
is
kind
of
the
system
that
we're
set
up
in
of
again
50
boards
and
commissions
and
trying
to
make
them
all
all
work
in
the
same
way
and
make
it
so
that
anyone
who
goes
on
to
limbs
can
look
up
any
meeting
and
say.
Oh,
I
know
this
topic
is
going
to
be
on
this
meeting.
G
For
giving
feedback
on
the
process
is
what
I'm
concerned
about,
because
I
feel
like
that's
where
elections
is
excellent
and
I'm
sort
of
surprised
to
see
such
that
lack
of
process
coming
from
you
know
the
city
clerk
who
also
oversees
elections
like
there's
not
as
far
as
I
know,
if
I
want
to
share
broadly
that
there
are
these
meetings
and
here's
where
they
are,
here's
the
phone
number.
You
call
and
here's
how
you
can
find
all
this.
L
So
this
is
the
first
that
I'm
hearing
of
folks
not
being
able
to
join,
and
we
absolutely
do
want
to
make
sure
that
that
people
can
so
julia.
If
you
want
to
maybe
like
send
me
some
information
about,
like
specifically,
what's
happening
kind
of
just
like
email,
a
little
bit
of
what
you
said
with
maybe
some
more
detail,
I
think
we
can
help
get
to
the
bottom
of
that
and
and
try
to
improve
that
process.
G
I
I
trust,
I
trust
you
and
matthew
and
nelson,
like
I
know
that,
there's
the
shared
values
and
the
implementation
and
everything
it's
just
that
I
don't
see
the
process
from
the
city
clerk
and
that's.
The
question
I
want
to
raise
is
like
we,
because
what?
If
I
didn't
trust
you
not
every
staff,
member
and
the
team,
the
city
does
hire
great
people,
but
they
can't
all
be
as
great
as
you
three
there's
gotta
be
people
who
don't
feel
as
comfortable
bringing
it
up
in
that
way.