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B
A
Perfect
good
evening,
thanks
all
for
joining
the
community
environmental
advisory
committee
meeting,
I'd
like
to
start
by
noting
that
this
meeting
includes
the
remote
participation
of
members
as
authorized
under
minnesota's
minnesota
statutes,
section
13d
.021,
due
to
the
due
to
the
declared
local
health
pandemic.
A
A
So
I
will
now
call
this
meeting
to
order
and
ask
kim
to
call
the
role,
so
we
may
verify
the
presence
of
a
quorum
council
members
when
kim
calls.
Your
name,
please
say
present,
but
also
introduce
yourself
briefly
with
your
organization
affiliation,
as
applicable.
C
Terrific
so
yeah
it's
a
little
change
of
pace,
thought
we'd,
throw
something
in
there
just
to
sort
of
add
a
few
extra
words
and,
and
so
I'll
start
off
with
max
dalton.
D
Here,
how
am
I
feeling
today
pretty
good
heading
out
of
town
this
weekend,
so
very
good
mood.
C
Nice
indigo
david
blue.
E
Hey
folks,
I'm
here
and
I'd
have
to
say
I'm
feeling
optimistic.
I
know
there's
a
lot
of
negative
stuff
going
around
these
days,
but
I
I
feel
pretty
good
about
the
direction
we're
heading
on
the
environment
in
minneapolis.
F
Hi
tess
dornfeld
she
her
feeling
muggy.
My
air
conditioning
has
not
been
working
so
also
feeling
lucky
very
grateful
that
the
last
couple
days
have
not
been
as
bad
as
forecasts
appreciating
the
haze
honestly,
but
not
looking
forward
to
the
next
couple
days.
G
C
Thanks
sandy
pizzelli.
H
Hi
here
I'm
a
ciac
member
he's
she
her
pronouns
and
my
word
is
hazy.
I
C
Thanks
for
joining
us
tonight,
divine
islam.
J
C
B
C
I
know
he
had
just
said
he
was
probably
not
going
to
be
able
to
make
it
tonight
jacqueline
zappetta.
H
Hi,
I'm
jacqueline,
you
say
them
pronouns,
I'm
grateful
to
be
able
to
be
in
this
group.
I've
been
doing
a
lot
of
work
up
north
against
a
pipeline,
so
being
with
other
folks
who
are
kind
of
working
on
things
in
the
city.
Just
feeling
grateful
to
be
able
to
be
a
part
of
this.
C
And
aaron
is
not
available
or
I'll
mention
aaron.
Are
you
on
by
chance.
B
All
right
she's,
not
here
and
anna
johnson.
A
Thanks
kim
I'm
feeling
a
little,
I
think
I'm
feeling
some
health
effects
from
this
smoke.
So
I
had
a
migraine
yesterday
and
a
sore
throat,
the
last
24
hours
so
feeling
kind
of
tired,
but
motivated
to
work
hard
on
climate
change.
B
C
Thank
you
and
I'm
feeling
sticky
right
now,
because
I've
been
wearing
a
long,
sleeve
shirt
today
and
been
in
a
lot
of
meetings
and
it's
sort
of
getting
to
the
end
of
I
feel
like.
I
need
to
take
this
off
and
freshen
up
a
little
bit.
It's
been
a
long
sticky
day
so
and
with
that
we
do
have
10
members
present
at
quorum's
nine.
So
we
can
officially
start
the
meeting.
A
H
L
I
don't
know
who
else
is
on,
but
I've
kind
of
been
following
him,
been
the
cx
groupie
off
and
on
here
for
the
last
decade,
kind
of
seeing
the
transition
here
and
there
I
haven't
been
able
to
follow
much
the
last
year
or
two
during
12
and
era,
but
yeah.
My
word
today
is
painful
because
I
got
a
hamstring
issue
and
it's
painful
to
fix
it
to
lock
and
stand
so
really
comfortable
is
laying
down
right
now
so
hard
to
be
productive.
L
That
way,
but
I
guess
the
good
side
is
that
I
have
asthma
too,
and
I'm
at
least
I'm
not
outside
I
mean
you
know,
the
air
pollution
is
copping
on
it.
So
next.
A
All
right
well,
thanks
for
joining
us
everyone,
and
that
will
proceed
to
our
agenda,
a
copy
of
which
was
posted
for
public
ass
access
to
the
city's
legislative
information
management
system,
which
is
available
at
limbs.minneapolismn.gov.
A
Thanks
matthew,
there
are
seconds
a
second,
not
some
things
tests,
there's
a
proper
emotion
before
us.
Is
there
any
discussion
before
tim
kim
takes
role.
C
I
just
wanted
to
say
one
thing,
which
is
just
a
kind
of
a
reverse
in
the
agenda:
bjorn
had
a
family
thing
come
up,
so
he
is
gonna.
I
will
do
the
presentation
on
100,
renewable
electric
first
and
then
bjorn
will
here
will
be
here
at
six
to
do
the
sustainable
building
policy.
A
Yeah,
that's
that
works
for
me.
Any
discussion
around
that
all
right
and
with
that
I'll,
ask
him
to
take
the
kim
to
take
the
role
on
the
motion.
When
you
hear
your
name,
please
say
yay
or
nay,
to
indicate
your
stance.
F
G
G
I
I
M
M
I
B
C
Have
ten
yays
and
zero
nays
and
I
didn't
miss
anyone?
Did
I
that
joined
in
last
minute
or
so
great?
So
we
have
10
yay
so
that
motion
to
approve
the
minutes
and
agenda
are
has
passed.
A
Great
thanks
that
motion
passes
and
we
will
move
on
to
the
consent
part
of
our
our
agenda,
starting
with
the
land
acknowledgement
as
we
meet
here
today.
We
are
reminded
that
minneapolis
is
situated
on
the
homelands
of
the
dakota
people,
an
area
that
is
steeped
in
rich
indigenous
history.
It
is
home
to
indigenous
people
from
from
more
than
30
different
nations.
A
As
a
city,
we
have
a
responsibility
to
care
for
the
land
on
which
we
live
and
work
in
all
its
natural
surroundings.
The
stewardship
is
an
integral
part
of
our
involvement
in
this
commission
and
we
honor
it.
As
we
begin
our
meeting,
we
now
open
this
space
to
dis,
to
discuss
ways
in
which
we
can
support
indigenous
people
in
our
community.
F
This
is
a
little
tangential,
but
if
no
one
else
wants
to
jump
in,
I
think
something
we
can
all
do
and
then
I
think
most
people
here
probably
already
conscious
of
but
just
to
think
about
the
terminology
and
the
word
choice
that
we
use
when
talking
about
indigenous
people.
F
The
native
governance
center
is
a
local
institution
that
has
done
a
lot
of
good
work
on
this
and
is
a
great
resource,
and
they
hosted
a
conversation
recently
that
I
learned
some
things
from
that
was
really
valuable,
I'll
post
a
link
to
that
and
their
website
is
just
org
nativegov.org.
Their
resources
page
is
also
a
really
good
resource
and
just
a
reminder
to
those
on
the
phones
to
remute.
I
I
know
that
the
restaurant
owamny
opened
down
by
the
stone
arch
bridge
and
I
think,
like
reservations,
filled
up
pretty
quickly,
but
I
did
also
see
that
they
sort
of
have
kind
of
like
a
more
casual
area
and
like
bar
area.
So
you
don't
have
to
have
a
reservation
you
could
just
drop
in.
So
that
would
be
a
good
way
to
support
a
new
restaurant
and
the
sous
chef
and
his
staff.
B
C
Yeah
I've
been
by
it's
just
beautiful
how
they
restored
the
building
down
there
and
stuff
and
yeah.
I
haven't
had
a
chance
to
I've,
had
some
sous
chef
food
a
while
back
but
a
couple
years
ago.
Now
it
wasn't
part
of
a
food
truck
thing,
but
great
that
he's
got
a
restaurant.
A
All
right
sensing
none,
we
can
move
on
to
presentations
and
I'll
pass
it
over
to
kim
to
talk
about
the
100
renewable
electricity
community
wide
by
2030
blueprint,
100
re.
B
Thank
you
very
much
all
right.
So
let's
take
a
second
here
to
share
my
screen
and.
B
B
C
Okay,
fantastic,
so
I
wanted
to
just
talk
with
you
today
about
our
initial
draft
100
community
by
renewable
electricity
blueprint
by
2030
and
some
of
the
strategies
and
objectives
that
we
have
for
this
blueprint.
B
C
I
should
have
pushed
the
end
button
and
not
the
down
button.
Okay,
there
we
go
so
in
late
2018,
the
city
minneapolis
passed
a
resolution
directing
city
staff
to
develop
100
renewable
electricity
community-wide
by
2030
blueprint.
We
had
in
place
the
year
before
a
blueprint
for
our
enterprise
to
go
100
renewable
electricity.
C
It
is
being
built
off
of
previous
plans
that
we've
been
doing,
including
the
climate
action
plan,
which
had
a
specific
goal
to
increase
electricity
from
local
and
directly
purchased
renewables
to
10
of
total
energy
consumed
by
2025..
C
That
continues
to
be
in
place,
and
we
are
continuing
to
work
towards
that
at
this
this
point
and
will
be
embedded
into
this
blueprint.
C
We
also
have
a
vision
for
2040
that
includes
energy,
that
is
reliable,
affordable,
affordable
local,
clean
and
contributes
to
a
more
socially
just
community
and
as
part
of
this
plan,
we
really
felt
that,
in
order
for
us
to
really
engage
the
community
truthfully
and
and
authentically,
we
really
needed
to
spend
some
time
with
community
and
really
understanding
how
electricity
and
energy
impacts,
community
health
and
wealth,
and
what
the
current
situation
is
right
now
within
our
electric
system
and
how
that
affects
the
cost.
C
We
included
some
community-wide
meetings
that
looked
at
mainly
stakeholder
groups
that
were
within
energy,
and
we
then
focused
on
other
community-specific
meetings
in
which
we're
collaborating
with
cultural
or
ethnic-based
organizations
and
went
through
a
process
of
education
and
literacy
around
education
around
energy
and
really
understanding
how
energy
impacts
people's
lives.
From
that
we
developed
a
series
of
goals
and
priorities
from
those
engagements.
That
became
really
the
overall
vision
for
this
100
renewable
electric
electric
blueprint,
and
we
incorporated
that
into
the
plan.
C
We
then
went
back
to
them
earlier
this
year
and
asked
for
a
review
of
the
plan
and
whether
we
captured
the
the
intent
and
the
comments
and
the
feedback
that
we
did
receive
from
them.
We're
right
now
sort
of
right
below
sort
of
that
blue
box,
where
we're
taking
a
broader.
C
Now
that
we've
drafted
the
plan
and
the
appendices,
the
ability
for
us
to
come
back
and
get
feedback
over
the
next
couple
of
months
before
we
go
to
the
city
council
for
a
review
and
approval
of
this
particular
plan
and
then
we'll
continue
to
work
on
the
specific
programs
and
and
projects
that
are
related
to
this
plan
and
create
really
what
we
hope
to
be
a
community-wide
community-led
participation
developing
of
these
particular
programs
and,
of
course,
by
2030.
C
One
that
includes
a
more
livable
and
inclusive
city,
more
resilient
and
healthier
city,
a
one
that
provides
opportunities
for
bipart
communities,
new
arrivals,
other
and
low-income
residents,
to
be
able
to
participate
as
part
of
the
workforce
and
ownership
of
these
types
of
investments.
C
C
Black
folks,
or
maybe
maybe
stacey
you
could
let
folks
in
would
that
would
you
be
able
to
do
that?
Okay,
thank
you.
So
these
are
for
really,
as
I
mentioned,
are
taking
from
the
community
and
the
feedback
that
we
have
here,
creating
greater
community
wealth
and
really
advancing
our
clean
energy
and
climate
mitigation
goals.
C
So,
as
you
know,
we've
got
a
lot
of
disparities
within
minneapolis
between
people
of
color
and
our
white
residents,
and,
and
so
one
of
the
things
that
we
need
to
do
is
identify
how
we're
able
to
really
support
through
this.
C
These
transition,
this
energy
transition,
greater
equity,
more
access
to
community
wealth,
building,
more
access
to
higher
paying
jobs,
access
to
more
resilient
homes,
access
to
homes
that
have
lower
energy
costs-
and
you
can
see
here-
are
some
of
the
statistics
that
sort
of
emphasize
the
disparities
that
we
do
have
within
minneapolis,
and
one
of
the
things
that
is
really
important
to
keep
in
mind
is
that
we've
got
about
12
percent
or
over
40
000
minneapolis,
I
shouldn't
say
that's
households
but
12,
or
approximately
10
000
to
12
000
households,
which
represent
about
40
000
residents,
who
have
a
high
energy
burden,
meaning
they're
paying
more
than
six
percent
of
their
income
annually
for
their
electric
and
heating
costs.
C
We
also
know
that
the
median
energy
burden
for
low
income
households
in
minneapolis
is
3.3
times
higher
than
households
that
are
not
considered
low
income
in
minneapolis,
and
we
have
to
understand
that
53
of
our
housing
is
now
renter
occupied
and
that's
increased
nearly
10
percent
in
the
last
10
years.
And
so
what
that
really
means
is
that
we
need
to
make
sure,
there's
programs
that
are
available
to
reduce
your
energy
costs
and
make
your
homes
more
resilient,
that
are
accessible
to
renters
and
right.
Now.
C
There
is
some
programs
available,
but
the
majority
of
the
things
that
come
through
the
conservation,
improvement
program
and
others
are
really
available
only
to
homeowners
and
to
sort
of
emphasize
that
fact,
even
more.
It's
important
to
consider
that
75
percent
of
white
families
own
their
homes
in
minneapolis,
while
only
25
of
black
families
own
their
own
homes.
C
So
if
there
is
a
barrier
to
be
able
to
access
energy
efficiency
programs
through
the
utilities
or
other
programs
for
the
city
or
or
elsewhere,
that
are
only
available
to
homeowners,
we're
missing
a
very
significant
segment
of
our
population
who
are
not
able
to
take
advantage
or
get
the
benefit
of
energy
efficiency.
So
we're
really
not
helping
a
very
significant
portion
of
our
community
get
to
a
more
energy
efficient
future.
C
C
So
currently,
right
now
we
have
a
renewable
energy
contribution
of
the
xcel
energy's
minnesota
grid
mix
at
26.6,
and
that's
made
up
of
utility-scale
renewable
energy
subscriptions.
So
these
are
things
like
wind
source
and
renewable
connect.
C
It
includes
distributive
solar,
which
includes
things
like
solar
rewards
on
rooftops:
community
solar
gardens
things
that
are
within
the
distribution
grid
of
this
of
the
excel
energy
grid,
and
then
it
includes
system
renewables
which
are
all
the
utility
scale,
wind
and
solar
and
others
that
are
on
the
the
grid
that
are
generally
either
owned
or
directly
purchased
by
the
utility
at
a
utility
scale.
So
right
now
we're
at
26.6
when
we're
all
in
and
our
distributive
solar
is
at
about
2.6.
C
So
we've
got
a
ways
to
go
to
get
to
our
10
by
2025
goal
and
you'll
see
we
are
wanting
to
even
increase
our
local
goal
by
2030..
C
This
is
a
a
grid.
We
we
worked
with
the
rocky
mountain
institute
and
the
world
resources
institute
in
order
to
forecast
our
electricity
load
and
to
take
into
consideration
some
of
the
big
impacts
that
will
be
happening
to
the
electricity
load
or
electricity
demand
over
the
next
10
years,
and
those
include
population
growth,
our
energy
efficiency
goals
that
are
required
as
part
of
the
conservation
improvement
program,
the
building
electrification.
C
What
we're
seeing
is
conversion
from
gas
to
electric
vehicle
electrification
and
what
the
load
actually
would
be
coming
from
that
and
getting
to
a
total
estimated
electric
load,
which,
interestingly
enough,
is
a
little
bit
lower
than
in
2030,
as
you
can
see
here
about
37.48
as
compared
to
38.92
existing,
and
all
of
that
is
related
to
our
two
percent
energy
efficiency
goal,
which
excel
has
been
meeting
and
is,
is
state
mandated
right
now
we
create
our
rmi
and
wri
created
a
a
spreadsheet
that
we
can
use
to
change
the
various
factors
of
these
particular
components
in
order
to
understand
the
impact
on
what
the
load
would
be,
but
we
included
a
small
population
growth
of
about
a
quarter
percent
a
year
which
has
been
the
average
over
the
last
20
years.
C
The
two
percent
energy
efficiency
goal
included
a
building
electrification
that
would
be
approximately
25
percent
of
gas
appliance
is
being
converted
to
electric
by
2030,
so
a
quarter,
and
that
does
include
heating
as
well
too,
and
that
the
impact
that
that
would
have
on
on
the
building
electrification
and
then
we
also
included
within
vehicle
electrification
of
25
ev
vehicles.
Being
on
the
road
in
2030,
again,
not
not
conservative,
but
not
completely
progressive
in
the
in
the
expectations
of
how
much
ev
adoption
there
is.
C
So
the
good
news
is
energy
efficiency
actually
reduces
our
electric
load,
so
we're
really
not
going
to
need
to
build
additional
load
above
and
beyond.
Where
we're
at
right.
Now
we
need
to
be
able
to
convert
the
fossil
fuel
load
that
we
have
to
renewable
renewable
electricity
generation
and
the
impacts
that
we
see
from
vehicle,
electrification
and
building
electrification.
Once
you
get
much
more
down,
the
road
has
bigger
impacts
from
the
heating,
but
in
the
next
10
years.
C
This
is
an
estimate
of
the
impact
and,
as
you
can
see,
it's
relatively
small
as
far
as
the
impact
on
on
the
low
demand,
so
in
minneapolis
right
now,
what
we're
are.
What
we're
expecting
is
that
our
electricity
bisector
will
continue
to
be
about
the
same
that
we
have
now
with
the
slight
increase
in
the
commercial
and
electricity
demand
which
accounts
for
right
now
about
60
percent
and
in
2030
would
be
about
64
of
our
electricity
demand
and
residential
and
industrial
will
each
be
about
18.
C
So
you
can
see
the
commercial
buildings
that
we
have
are
really
the
largest
target
that
we
need
to
work
on
in
regards
to
reducing
our
electric
demand.
If
we're
going
to
be
focusing
on
energy
efficiency,
this
is
a
really
interesting
chart,
that's
kind
of
shows
where
we're
going
to
be
going
and
what
we
need
to
achieve
in
order
to
get
to
our
our
goal
of
100
and
the
lines
that
are
the
solid
colors
like
this
blue
color.
C
The
additional
striped
lines
are
where,
where
we
need
to
make
up
in
order
to
get
to
the
100
renewable
and
as
you
can
see,
we
have
a
very
significant
uptick
here
from
the
distribution
side
of
things
not
as
much
on
the
utility
scale
subscriptions
and
then
on.
The
total
utility
scale.
Renewables
not
as
much
of
an
increase,
as
you
can
see
here,
based
on
the
new
plan
that
came
out
on
june
25th
from
excel
energy
and
then
backing
out
our
own
subscriptions
and
solar
reward
pro
funded
projects
that
are
in
minneapolis.
C
C
So
that's
a
very
significant
move
forward
and
we're
going
to
be
asking
to
accelerate
that
even
more
as
part
of
this
plan.
So,
ultimately,
where
are
we
at
what
are
the
goals?
So
the
blueprint
goals
are
60
renewable
energy
grid
mix.
That's
where
we
need
to
make
up
an
additional,
approximately
10
percent
that
is
going
to
be
put
on
the
grid
by
2030..
C
If
we
actually
shifted
the
plans
that
excel
has
talked
about
between
2030
and
2035
to
be
moved
up
five
years
earlier,
we
actually
would
likely
hit
that
60
renewable
energy
grid
max
our
biggest
change
is
that
we
are
really
going
to
push
hard
to
be
able
to
have
30
percent
of
our
energy
generated
from
local,
renewable
electricity
sources
by
2030
and
as
part
of
that,
keeping
the
10
percent
by
2025
still
in
place.
This
means,
of
course,
we
have
to
rapidly
scale
up
the
work
that
we're
doing
for
rooftop
solar.
C
We
have
to
look
at
some
new
mechanisms
that
can
help
with
being
able
to
get
more
rooftop
solar
in
place
and
to
utilize
more
rooftops
with
more
creative
programs
and
I'll
talk
a
few
about
that
in
just
a
minute,
and
then
we
have
10
utility
scale
green
tariffs.
This
would
continue
to
be
the
larger
scale,
but
green
tear
of
things
like
wind
source
and
renewable
connect.
C
So
we
broke
down
the
recommendations
into
three
categories:
one
is
the
utility
focus.
The
second
is
consumer
focused
and
the
third
is
supportive
actions
that
aren't
directly
building
new
electricity,
but
that
put
in
place
the
right
framework
policies,
etc.
That
support
the
blueprint
skulls
so
in
regards
to
the
utility
focus
some
of
these
we're
already
doing
and
are
continuing
to
be
active
on.
C
This
does
allow
funding
support
for
electrification
and
fuel,
switching,
which
was
a
huge
barrier
to
us
to
decarbonize
we're
pursuing
and
and
have
been
in
discussions
for
some
time
with
the
ability
to
what's
called
pursue
a
sleep
power
purchase
agreement
which
would
allow
businesses
to
directly
purchase
electric
energy
that
from
a
system
they
own
that
is
not
currently
on
their
site,
but
is
within
excel's
distributive
grid
advocate
for
an
all-electric
all
renewable
tariff,
so
provide
incentives
through
lower
electric
costs
for
families
who
want
to
convert
their
home
to
all-electric.
C
This
is
really
built
off
of
what
they've
been
doing
with
the
ev
tariff,
which
includes
an
off-peak
rate,
which
is
only
about
3
cents
a
kilowatt
hour.
If
you're
charging
your
electric
car
during
the
evening,
we
would
like
to
try
to
create
a
similar
program
for
an
all-electric
house,
promote
the
expanded
use
of
virtual
net
metering,
very
similar
to
the
sleep
powered
purchase
agreements,
but
basically
being
able
to
own
a
renewable
electricity
generation.
That's
not
on
a
property
that
you
own
but
be
able
to
get
credit
for
it.
Where
it
is.
C
This
technology
already
exists
and
it's
exactly
what's
used
to
be
able
to
give
a
credit
through
the
community
solar
garden
program
and
then
we'd
also
like
to
work
on
our
franchise
agreements,
which
are
coming
up
in
about
five
years
and
being
able
to
negotiate
them
with
specific
performance
metrics
in
them
which
are
tied
to
achieving
our
climate
action
and
renewable
electricity
goals
consumer-oriented
strategies.
C
We
want
to
be
able
to
expand
and
extend
incentive
programs
such
as
solar
rewards
and
the
community
solar
gardens,
and
be
able
to
take
advantage
as
much
as
we
can
on
that.
We
do
have
a
couple
of
extensions
of
about
10
million
dollars
for
the
next
two
years,
but
that
is
a
fairly
small
contribution
relative
to
the
the
demand
or
the
need
that
we
have.
We
want
to
increase
in
general
financial
support
for
climate
action
on
a
number
of
different
ways,
but
in
a
general
sense
that's
what
we
want
to
do
individually.
C
Be
able
to
provide
support
either
through
incentives
or
others
for
people
to
take
action
such
as
electrification
of
their
home
to
address
climate
change.
We
want
to
start
utilizing
our
carbon
social
cost
of
carbon
that
we
passed
last
year
and
include
that
in
our
city
budgeting
process
and
to
really
understand
what
the
carbon
implications
are
of
the
1.5
billion
dollar
budget
that
the
city
has
and
expends.
C
Here
we
are
and
will
continue
to
pursue
inclusive
utility
investment
programs
such
as
tariff
on
bill,
which
allows
folks,
regardless
of
their
home
ownership
status,
their
access
to
upfront
capital
or
to
a
good
credit
rating
to
be
able
to
take
advantage
of
an
investment
in
insulation
and
energy
efficiency
and
weatherization
in
their
home.
That's
tied
to
the
meter
and
not
to
the
individual,
we're
looking
at
advancing
the
potential
for
community
choice,
aggregation,
meaning
having
additional
options
from
other
companies
outside
of
excel
to
be
able
to
provide
renewable
electricity
in
the
city.
C
It's
a
bit
of
a
far
off
goal,
but
it
is
available
in
six
states
and
is
something
that's
proven
to
be
very
successful.
To
be
able
to
rapidly
bring
renewable
electricity
into
communities,
we
want
to
promote
bulk
purchasing
of
renewable
generation,
as
we
do
with
solar,
united
neighbors
and
the
midwest
renewable
energy
society.
C
We're
very
active
and
want
to
continue
to
be
active
in
supporting
legislation
that
would
require
building
codes
to
have
a
pathway
to
net
zero
energy.
And
in
our
case,
we
have
been
working
to
pass
legislation
not
successfully
yet
but
pass
legislation
for
net
zero
energy
building
requirement
by
2036..
C
We'd
like
we
are
very
supportive
and
like
to
see
federal
legislation
which
would
set
a
new
nationwide
carbon
free
electric
grid
standard
by
2035.
That
is
included
in
president
biden's
infrastructure.
Bill
we'd
like
to
really
accelerate
the
installation
of
rooftop,
solar
and
all
municipal
buildings
and
have
all
possible
locations
for
renewable
energy
and
solar
on
rooftops
of
all
the
buildings
that
we
have
and
we
have
nearly
100
by
2025..
C
We
want
to
increase
financial
incentives
through
the
minneapolis
screen,
cost
share
and
rebuild
resilient,
which
has
been
really
focused
on
small
and
medium-sized
buildings,
and
we
really
want
to
work
with
our
district
energy
providers,
both
clearway
energy
and
downtown
minneapolis,
as
well
as
the
university
of
minnesota
to
be
able
to
decarbonize
both
their
chilled
water
and
heating
systems.
Right
now,
the
clearway
system
provides
heating
and
cooling
to
about
55
million
square
feet
of
downtown
commercial
space.
C
So
if
we
can
actually
reduce
carbon
there
by
10
percent
we're
gonna,
it's
like
having
an
impact
on.
You
know
about
a
third:
it's
like
weatherizing,
a
third
of
all
of
our
residential
homes
in
one
shot,
so
supportive
actions
that
we
are
looking
at.
We're
gonna
talk
a
little
bit
maybe
later
today,
too,
on
how
we
can
provide
some
guidance
on
science-based,
fair
share.
Interim
I'm
sorry,
fair,
share,
science-based
goals
for
our
upcoming
climate
action
plan
update.
C
We
want
to
support
systemic
changes
on
a
state
federal
level
through
legislation
and
policy
that
will
have
an
impact
across
and
not
just
within
the
city.
We
want
to
invest
in
green
jobs
and
workforce
development.
We
want
to
prioritize
bipod
community
wealth
creation
and
projects,
first
and
foremost
in
those
communities.
C
We
want
to
utilize
federal
justice,
40
recommendations
which
will
be
coming
out
in
the
very
near
future
to
really
guide
investment
and
prioritization
of
the
benefits
that
do
flow
from
our
federal
and
state
government,
as
well
as
the
local
initiatives
really
expand.
Energy
of
literacy
and
education,
which
become
really
an
integral
part
to
really
getting
community
participation
and
support,
and
we
want
to
be
able
to
ask
the
city
for
dedicated
and
ongoing
funding
to
support
the
implementation
of
the
blueprint.
C
So
priorities
for
implementation
include
reducing
energy
burning
and
increasing
equity
through
energy
efficiency,
local
generation.
As
you
know,
our
thirty
percent
goal
locally
cost
savings
where
we
can
reduce
energy
burden
and
reduce
costs
of
families,
additionality,
meaning
additional
above
and
beyond.
What's
already
been
planned
by
the
utility
equity
resiliency,
which
we've
seen
homes
are
much
more
resilient
when
well
insulated,
increase
community
health
and
also
use
this
opportunity
for
community
wealth
building.
C
So
we're
going
through
a
process
right
now
to
we'll
take
in
more
public
comment
and
start
our
discussions
in
more
depth
with
our
council
members.
We're
going
to
be
working
on
prioritizing
our
work
plans
and
timelines
to
bring
that
forward
to
to
council
to
give
some
direction
on
what
what
we
can
do.
First
and
right
now
we're
taking
feedback
and
review
by
you
and
other
organizations
that
provide
advice
to
the
city
of
minneapolis
around
climate,
energy
and
other
things.
C
So
that's
sort
of
where
we're
where
we
are
right
now
on
this
blueprint
and
certainly
would
be
interested
in
getting
the
members
feedback
and
and
thoughts
on
where
we
are
and
what
we've
proposed.
A
K
Hi,
thank
you
for
the
presentation
kim
I
just
received
today
from
the
farmers
national
company,
which
is
a
national
company
dealing
with
marketing
farmland.
K
K
They
went
up
11
and
in
iowa
they
went
up
20
and
one
of
the
reasons
they
say
is
this:
it
was
renewable
energy,
they
have
a
picture.
Maybe
I
can
even
show
it
to
you.
It
looks
to
me,
like
120
acres
of
solar
panels
that
some
utility
put
in
somewhere
and
that
uses
up
farmland,
so
they
had
to
buy
that
they
had
to
well
get
a
lease
for
it,
at
least
so
they're
paying
money
for
that.
So
anyway,
these
11
or
20
raises
will
increase
the
price
of
food
because
farm.
K
C
Yeah,
I
I
you
know,
I
I
know
that
there
is
a
lot
we've
seen
a
lot
of
building
and
they'll
be
considered
continuing
to
do
that.
But
one
thing
to
sort
of
keep
in
mind
is
that
in
minnesota
we
have
about
2.7
million
square
acres
of
tillable
land
and
the
amount
of
land
that
would
be
needed
to
provide
100
of
our
renewable
electricity
is
less
than
a
half
a
percent
of
that.
C
So
on
the
margin,
I
know
a
little
bit,
but
I
mean,
on
the
other
hand
too,
you
know
we
still
use
a
lot
of
natural
resources,
obviously
on
fossil
fuels
between
the
water,
that's
used
et
cetera
and
there
and
there
and
and
that
it
may
have
a
marginal
effect.
But
I
I
you
know
from
what
I've
seen
it
is
not
one
where
it's
going
to
be
competing
directly
against
food
on
a
large
scale.
A
Yeah
thanks
leslie,
we
actually
in
minnesota,
there's
actually
a
law
against
citing
renewable
or
any
type
of
energy
facility
on
prime
farmland,
which
is
actually
maybe
not
the
best,
because
you
can
co-locate
like
solar
and
sheep
grazing,
for
example,
or
solar
and
other
stuff.
So
yeah
thanks
for
thanks
for
bringing
that
up.
Matthew.
G
Yeah,
I
am
just
seeing
the
the
number
about
how
minneapolis
is
the
worst
city
in
the
country
for
black
homeownership
by
percent.
I'm
curious,
if
kim
you
know,
of
any
minneapolis
city
initiatives
to
spur
or
help
more
black
families,
own
homes
and
just
yeah.
If
I
just
think
like
the
the
renting
split
incentive
for
energy
efficiency
is
a
really
serious
barrier,
I
also
see
that
as
a
serious
barrier
for
electrification,
because
landlords
have
no
incentive
to
upgrade
ancient
boilers
and
furnaces.
G
C
I
know
we
do
have
quite
an
investment
within
within
affordable
housing
and
while
there
can't
be
according
to
federal
law,
specific
to
sort
of
set
aside
by
race,
there's
a
strong
effort
to
outreach
to
communities
of
color
and
black
families,
latinx
asian,
and
when
I,
the
results
that
I've
seen
just
recently
from
the
program
called
minneapolis
homes,
provides
incentives
to
build
affordable
housing
that
60
of
the
folks
that
are
receiving
the
benefit
from
a
new
home
and
the
and
the
investment
by
the
city
in
that
are
people
of
color
and
there's
been
a
real
specific
outreach
on
that.
C
Now,
we're
only
talking,
you
know:
40
houses
approximately
on
an
annual
basis
that
get
there.
So
we
have
a
lot
more
to
go.
Yeah
and
the
market
has
a
tendency
to
work
quite
against
us
as
well
too,
on
the
home
ownership,
because
of
just
the
cost
of
the
housing
going
up
and
just
the
way
that
everything
kind
of
focuses
on
a
rental
pay
by
the
month
kind
of
scheme.
It's
more
challenging
for
us.
C
I
think,
in
that
case,
and
obviously
more
incentives
are
needed
to
help
those
who
are
at
lower
income
levels
too,
because
the
housing
prices
are
are
going
up
rapidly,
but
certainly
we
can
we
could
talk.
I
could
we
actually
have
an
interesting
program
that,
where
we've
been
really
promoting
passive
and
net
zero
energy
housing
and
we
actually
have
25
different
homes
that
are
being
built
to
that
standard
that
were
approved
this
year.
So
last
year
we
had
two,
it's
true.
C
We
got
25.,
so
I
could
bring
in
the
folks
if
you
wanted
to
that,
could
provide
some
more
information
about
how
they're
working
on
home
ownership
and
then
also
kind
of
what
the
sustainability
aspects
of
their
new
homes
that
they're
building,
which
are
you
know,
going
to
be
helpful,
because,
obviously,
the
costs
associated
with
the
energy
to
keep
those
homes
warm
and
cold
or
warm
and
cool
are,
are
going
to
be
dramatically
reduced
because
they're
going
to
be
net,
zero,
energy,
certified
or
passive
certified.
J
Thank
you
to
answer
matthew's
question.
There
is
a
program
for
the
black
community
to
have
ownership
and
it's
through
the
urban
league,
and
so
people
are
aware
of
it
and
it's
it's
a
qualification
process
and
they
teach
them
all
kinds
of
entities
about
lowering
their
credit
scores
working
with
the
banks
and
as
well
as
realtors.
So
there
is
programs
through
the
urban
league
and
it's
across
the
country
helping
black
people
gain
home
ownership.
So
it's
been
going
on
now
for
a
couple
of
years.
J
Okay,
so
my
question
is:
I
have,
since
we
have
all
these
new
buildings
and
constructions
going
on,
are
they
putting
solar
panels?
I
have
several
questions:
solar.
M
J
On
these
new
construction
buildings
as
well,
okay-
and
then
the
cost-
has
anybody
ever
done-
an
estimated
cost
to
the
conversion
of
the
gas
to
the
electric
in
these
homes,
for
the
black
communities
and
as
well
as
the
stoves
being
installed
or
whatever
entities
are
needed
for
the
conversion
and
also
has
excel
energy,
changed
its
format
of
giving
the
north
side
thirty
dollars
to
rent
their
space
for
solar
panels
and
let
them
be
able
to
get
the
entity
of
get
some
of
that
solar
panel
benefits
to
their
homes.
C
Yeah
there
I'll
dissentio,
the
last
one.
First,
we
haven't
had
any
follow-up
on
that
particular
program
that
they
proposed
a
few
months
back.
They
were
going
to
be
obviously
taking
some
community
feedback
and
and
trying
some
other
direction
there.
The
we
we
just
recently
came
out
with
a
report
that
was
jointly
worked
on
by
great
plains
institute
and
the
center
for
energy
and
the
environment
in
the
city
of
minneapolis
and
fresh
energy.
Actually
was,
I
don't
know
if
it
was
ce
in
there
or
not.
C
But
yes,
I
believe
they
were
on
there
yeah
and
called
g21,
and
it's
a
report
that
looked
at
different
scenarios
so
did
a
scenario
analysis
of
looking
at
converting
natural
gas
to
biogas
and
hydrogen
and
sort
of
keeping
the
infrastructure
that
we
have
the
same,
including
our
our
home
heating
systems.
C
And
then
another
would
be
a
complete
transfer
over
where
the
natural
gas
infrastructure
would
not
be
maintained,
and
it
would
go
all
electric
and
looking
at
the
different
prices
that
were
there
and
the
the
two
sort
of
side
scenarios
that
I
talked
to
the
first
one
on
the
last
one
have
very,
very
significant
costs.
To
do
that
I
mean
hydrogen
and
bio
gas
right
now
is
10
times
the
the
b2
price
of
existing
natural
gas.
C
So
it's
a
very
significant
increase
and
even
from
electric
electrification
other
than
extremely
cold
days,
electrification
being
provided
by
renewable
energy
would
be
lower
cost
than
than
necessarily
getting
it
under
the
current
scenario
with
biogas.
C
But
the
issue
becomes,
there
are
certain
weeks
and
days,
a
very
small
percentage,
only
maybe
two
weeks
out
of
the
year,
but
those
two
weeks
are
when,
like
we
had
last
february
when
everyone
is
in,
has
huge
demand
for
heat,
and
if
you
had
to
provide
that
by
all
electric,
it
would
require
basically
doubling
the
amount
of
capacity
we
have
to
be
able
to
provide
it
and
so
you'd
be
paying
to
have
plants
or
solar
or
wind
basically
sitting
by
to
be
able
to
be
powered
up
at
those
extreme
times.
C
So
would
be
a
lot
of
cost
for
standby
for
two
weeks
a
year.
So
the
pro
they're
now
presenting
those
out
we're
actually
taking
it
to
the
clean
energy
partnership,
but
sort
of
the
hybrid
model
is
sort
of
where
we're
probably
leaning
towards
at
this
point
in
time,
based
on
the
demands
we
have
in
a
cold
weather
climate
here
and
just
knowing
that
the
resiliency
and
the
reliability
also
of
the
gas
system
is,
is
also
something
really
to
take
into
consideration.
C
C
I
certainly
share
that.
No
okay,
we
can
share
that
g21
report.
It
just
came
out
last
week.
I
can
put
that
in
the
notes
that
I
send
out
after.
J
And
the
solar
panels
and
are
the
city
telling
asking
the
new
developers
to
put
install
solar
panels
or
is
that
just
an
option
as
far
as
what
the
planners
go?
So
that
was
my
question
about
new
building.
C
Okay,
yeah
good
question,
sorry
that
about
that,
so
right
now
we
do
have.
We
can't
require
them
to
be
on
there,
but
what
we
can
do
is
we
provide
incentives
and
we
actually
had
the
first
building,
which
is
just
off
of
central
and
lowry.
C
That's
being
developed
by
doran,
kelly
doran's
group
agreed
to
get
they
had
an
far
bonus
in
in
exchange
for
doing
a
sustainability
upgrade,
which
means
their
building
is
going
to
be
80
percent
more
efficient
than
the
2006
baseline
and
also
will
be
a
100
renewable
electricity
as
well,
and
that's
we
got
a
commitment
from
them
to
maintain
that
for
25
years,
so
we're
looking
for
ways
to
use
our
zoning
code
and
f
floor
area
ratio
bonuses
to
do
that
and
then
anything
that
we're
providing
financial
incentives
towards
which
do
include
things
like
the
upper
harbor
terminal
or
and
big
projects.
C
Also
like
the
kmart.
That's
you
know
on
on
niklet
there
we're
gonna
have
a
higher
standard
that
will
require
some
percentage
of
on-site,
renewable
and
very
high
efficiency
standards
and
ultimately
will
create
a
glide
path
towards
by
2030
that
they
will
be
net
zero
energy.
So
that's
part
of
our
sustainable
building
policy,
which
you'll
hear
a
little
bit
more
about
from
bjorn
here
in
a
bit.
M
Yeah
I'll
try
to
be
really
quick
for
one,
I'm
kind
of
thinking
of
the
messages
that
people
were
either
currently
sending
out
or
have
in
the
past.
For
instance,
you
know
if
a
neighborhood
full
of
renters
who
are
also
people
of
color
are
like
hey.
Let's
get
together,
buy
a
building,
have
solar
and
gardens
on
it
and
then
for
it
to
be
taken
up
by
the
city.
Of
course,
I'm
naming
east.
M
What
happened
in
east
phillips
sends
a
message
to
communities
that
they
shouldn't
put
the
effort
in
to
do
that,
which
is
definitely
going
against
what
we
want
them
to
be
doing
right.
So
I
do
think
there
needs
to
be
some
effort
to
regain
trust
in
that
area.
Otherwise
I
don't
think
we're
going
to
be
seeing
a
lot
of
people
going
for
the
type
of
resources
we're
putting
out
if
it
seems
like
it's
not
going
to
turn
into
anything
and
then
also
as
far
as
older
buildings,
and
I'm
not
saying
buildings
that
are
super
old.
M
I'm
just
saying,
like
maybe
2010
and
earlier
solar
panels
were
more
of
a
liability
back
then,
and
also
that
kind
of
translated
into
different
types
of
roof,
warranties
and
such
which
I
think
are
still
carry
on
to
today,
which
sometimes
prevent
people
from
putting
on
solar
panels.
This
is
more
for
the
commercial
side
of
things,
and
so
I'm
not
quite
sure
how
we
can
go
about
either
changing
these
narratives
or
seeing
how
we
can
prevent
these
barriers
from
from
keeping
people
from
putting
solar
on
their
property
if
they
can.
C
Right
yeah,
a
lot
of
it
has
to
do
with
messaging
and
what
folks
are
what
are
hearing
and,
of
course,
there's
a
lot
of
individual
circumstances
depending
on
the
age
of
the
roof
and
what
kind
of
roof
materials
they
use,
and
that
kind
of
thing
as
to
what
the
impact
of
putting
rooftop
solar
is
on
there.
C
We've
kind
of
been
building
it
off
of
an
analysis
of
how
much
solar
hits
roofs
in
minneapolis,
and
so
it
hasn't
gone,
meaning
like
and
and
then
taking
a
percentage
of
that
to
set
the
actual
goal.
But
we
haven't
obviously
done
a
more
thorough
analysis
other
than
within
our
municipal
buildings,
to
look
at
what
the
applicability
is
based
on
the
weight
load
and
structure
and
roofing
materials
and
types.
But
yes,
those
will
be.
C
Those
would
be
barriers
that
we
do
have
continue
to
have
so
trying
to
figure
out
how
we
can
do
that
is
and
address
that
on
a
scaled-up
basis
is
important.
We
have
seen
a
lot
of
that
work
being
done
on
structural
work
and
things
with
the
state,
and
I
think
a
lot
of
the
barriers
have
gone
down
and
I
think
insurance
has
become
a
lot
less
expensive
because
you
know
it's
not
seen
as
a
significant
liability
or
things
like
that.
So
insurance
costs
have
come
down
to
to
support
that.
C
So
I
think
we're
moving
in
the
right
direction.
There
continues
to
be
concerns
because
you're
right
it
wasn't
that
long
ago
that
we
had
a
lot
of
these
issues,
including
the
cost
of
solar
being
too
expensive
for
people
to
afford.
If
you're,
not,
you
know
very
well
to
do
and
right
now,
it's
dramatically
less
expensive.
M
Yeah,
so
I
I
would
like
seeing
at
least
some
type
of
either
partnership
or
communications
approach
as
part
of
the
plan,
especially
as
a
lot
of
more
places
are.
You
know,
coming
up
with
their
own
environmental
or
climate
or
solar
related
plan
to
be
able
to
partner
with
folks
or
at
least
some
business
folks
who
own
a
lot
of
buildings
in
the
spaces
in
which
we
could
can
maybe
convince
them,
or
at
least
partner,
on
a
goal
together
to
get
solar.
So.
C
A
Yeah
thanks
toya,
thanks
kim,
I
think,
yeah.
I
appreciate
that
point
to
toya
that
you
know
providing
some
specifics
around
not
just
saying
community
outreach
and
community
will
be
involved,
but
maybe
providing
some
specifics
around.
How
that
will
be
sought
out
would
be
great
to
see
mark
yeah.
E
So,
thanks
kim
for
that
presentation
had
a
couple
comments
and
then
a
question.
So,
first
of
all,
I
really
like
the
fact
that
your
proposal
is
including
an
increase
in
energy
efficiency
as
well
as
electrification.
I
think
that's
very
appropriate
and
I
know
those
aren't
going
to
be
easy,
they're
going
to
take
a
lot
of
work,
but
I'm
glad
they're
part
of
your
plan.
D
E
Also,
like
the
fact
that
it's
clear
that
you
recognize
it's
probably
going
to
take
a
a
range
of
renewable
energy
options
to
satisfy
the
the
electrical
load
that
we
have
across
the
city,
so
so
I
thought
that
was
really
well
done.
The
one
thing
I
wanted
to
point
out-
I
I'm
sure
you
recognize
this-
is
that
my
understanding
is
that
this
plan
would
look
at
minneapolis
matching
100
percent
of
its
annual
electricity
use
with
renewables
on
an
annual
basis,
but
on
a
day-to-day
and
hour
by
hour
basis.
That
probably
won't
be
possible
right.
E
You
know
there
will
be
times
when
the
wind's
not
blowing.
You
know
it's
the
middle
of
the
night,
we're
just
not
generating
wind
or
solar
power,
so
even
if
we
are
purchasing
renewable
power
from
from
excel
or
wherever
there
will
be
times
that
you
know
we'll
need
to
still
rely
on
other
sources.
E
E
E
E
C
Yeah,
those
those
are
really
good
questions.
I
we
we
have
talked
about
battery
storage.
We
didn't
include
it
in
here
because,
as
you
were
sort
of
alluding
to
a
new,
oh
and
as
you
started
off
in
your
question
mark,
we
were
keeping
it
fairly
simple
from.
B
C
Is
simple
right
basically
like?
How
can
we
go
about
big
picture
getting
to
three?
You
know
millions,
700
and
or
whatever
it
was
300
million.
You
know
megawatt
hours
that
we
need
to
be
able
to
do
on
an
annual
basis
being
produced
by
electricity
when
it's
produced
and
if
it's
stored
and
then
used,
we
didn't
go
into
that.
C
We
were
looking
at
how
we
can
actually
get
to
producing
the
same
amount
of
megawatt
hours
from
electricity
that
the
city
would
use
and
that's
how
we
would
match
it
up,
but
building
the
system
to
be
able
to
support.
That
is
really
what
we
kind
of
refer
to
as
utility
that
upgrades
to
like
the
distribution
grid.
The
ability
to
be
able
to
have
those
additional
resources,
such
as
the
peaker
plants
that
they
proposed
excel,
has
recently
proposed
in
their
irp
to
be
there
five
percent
of
the
time
how
that
gets
worked
in.
C
There
is
not
part
of
the
plan,
because
it's
not
sort
of
a
well
the
peaker
plants
produce
electricity,
but
we
wouldn't
necessarily
use
that
to
say
we
want
to.
We
want
to
get
all
of
those
megawatt
hours
from
renewable
electricity
sources,
and
so
that's
the
match,
often
how
we
get
there
we're
going
to
have
to
figure
that
out
within
the
distribution
grid,
but
because
battery
storage
is
technically
not
a
energy
source.
We
did
not
include
that
as
part
of
it,
but
it's
something
we
could
reconsider.
We
talked
about
it
and
it
was
was.
C
It
was
talk
done
that
we
kind
of
pulled
it
out.
Since
we
didn't
have
a
lot
of
direction
on
it
and,
like
I
said
it
wasn't
sort
of
matt,
we
were
matching
megawatt
hours
to
megawatt
hours.
E
No
it-
and
that
makes
sense,
and
I
don't
want
to
downplay
the
significance
of
what
you're
proposing
it's
going
to
be
hard.
It's
going
to
be
big,
it's
going
to
be
important,
so
so
I
really
like
that
a
lot,
and
I
I
think
part
of
it
is
you
know
we
need
to
be
clear
and
transparent
in
what
we're
doing
you
know
just
to
make
sure
people
understand
it's.
E
You
know
there
is
still
some
reliance
on
on
carbon-based
energy
sources,
but
overall
I
think
it's
it's
an
appropriate
plan.
C
C
You
know
and
that's
gonna,
look
at
some
other
things
like
maybe
carbon
sequestration
or
natural
carbon
sequestration
by
building
tree
canopy
or
other
kinds
of
crops
or
things
of
that
nature
as
well
too,
has
to
be
sort
of
part
of
the
the
last
10
percent
or
15
of
the
carbon,
because
we
will,
as
far
as
we've
seen
and
from
all
the
predictions,
there
will
be
some
dependence
on
going
within
fossil
fuel
and
it's
just
like
within
the
industrial
uses.
C
We
have,
we
don't
have
a
lot
of
businesses,
but
they
do
you
that
are
industrial,
they
use
gas,
but
they
use
a
lot
of
it.
So
it's
a
very
difficult
financials
to
offset
that,
and
so
we'll
those
that's
not
hard
not
to
crack
we'll
see
what
we
can
do,
but
we're
gonna
have
to
have
something.
That's
will
continue
some
fossil
fuel
at
some
point
in
the
future,
for
some
portion
of
the
economy.
A
Thanks
yeah
thanks
mark
just
kim
checking
in
on
like
process
and
what
type
of
feedback
you
want
from
us
and
if
there's
anything
additional
related
to
this
discussion
or
yeah
what
yeah?
What
what
you
would
like
from
us.
I.
C
C
C
I
have
taken
notes
and
we
we
will.
We
have
those
covered
in
the
minutes
as
well
too,
but
I'm
happy
to
to
provide
an
opportunity
for
more
in-depth
response
to
it
as
well
too.
A
Cool,
thank
you.
Is
there
any
discussion
about
the
idea
of
putting
together
comments
like
either
at
the
next
meeting
or
like
as
a
result
of
the
next
meeting
and,
if
yeah,
how
folks
feel
about
that?
It
would
give
us
some
time
to
do
some
more
looking
and
digging
into
the
policy
before
putting
out
an
official
statement.
C
And
I
will
I
there
is
an
actual
report,
it's
quite
long
and
we
we've
had
to
update
it
with
just
the
new
information
that
we've
gotten
from
excel.
So
this
graph
that
I
showed
you
that
showed
the
sort
of
you
know
different
segments
that
that
is
a
brand
new
thing
we
just
got
done
today.
So
we're
incorporating
that-
and
I
can
send
that
out
to
folks
and
and
be
able
to
look
at
it.
It's
a
lengthy
document,
but
the
main
parts
about
20
pages.
C
So
there's
an
opportunity
to
comment
on
that.
Maybe
at
our
next
meeting
we
can
come
back
and
if
folks
have
additional
thoughts
on
where
to
make
improvements.
That
would
be
very
welcome.
A
A
All
right,
so
we've
got
some
homework
to
to
dig
into
that
document
and
think
about
any
other
additional
comments
or
questions
or
concerns
that
we
have
with
the
plan.
But
thanks
so
much
kim
and
and
all
of
your
colleagues
who've
been
working
hard
on
that
and
looks
looks
great
and
it
looks
really
comprehensive.
So
yeah,
all
right
as
before
we
move
on
to
bjorn's
presentation.
Is
there?
Are
there
any
final
thoughts
or
comments
that
I
might
have
overlooked.
A
Cool
all
right,
with
that
I'll
hand
it
over
to
bjorn
to
talk
about
the
sustainable
building
policy.
B
N
Okay,
are
we
seeing
a
powerpoint.
N
Okay,
let
me
see
if
I
can
kind
of
dual
wield
all
right.
Are
we
still
looking
okay,
perfect
all
right?
Well,
hello,
everybody
and
thank
you
for.
I
N
The
time
and
allowing
me
this
space
on
the
agenda
here
and
in
this
conversation
with
everybody,
so
my
name
is
bjorn
olson.
I
work
at
the
city
of
minneapolis,
with
kim
for
kim
in
our
sustainability
department,
a
sustainability
program
coordinator.
I
use
he
him
pronouns
and
kind
of
the
two
major
initiatives
that
I'm
taking
up
right
now
is
our
energy
benchmarking
program
and
also
the
development
of
this
sustainable
building
policy
for
the
city.
N
So
I
know
actually
this
is
our
second
presentation
to
seac,
but
I
believe
this
is
the
first
one
after
the
elections
with
a
new
group.
So
you
know
I
I'm
hoping
to
kind
of
straddle
that
straddle
that
line
between
not
being
too
redundant
with
some
of
the
folks
that
have
seen
this
already,
but
also
you
know
making
sure
that
we
cover
all
the
bases
and
answer
all
the
questions
for
folks
who
are
students
for
the
first
time
so
by
all
means.
N
I
I'd
prefer
to
have
this
as
an
open,
ongoing
conversation.
So
if
anything,
pops
up,
please
let
me
know
and
and
either
raise
a
hand
or
or
ask
a
question.
I
will
try
to
keep
an
eye
on
the
microsoft
teams,
but
I'm
kind
of
in
in
two
spaces
here.
So,
if
other
folks
want
to
help
you
out
just
keep
an
eye
out
for
that.
So,
okay!
N
Well,
here
we
go
so
this
is
going
to
be
an
overview
of
where
we're
at
with
our
sustainable
building
policy
and
as
it
relates
to
the
municipal,
owned
and
operated
buildings,
and-
and
I
have
to
say
that
there's
a
great
kind
of
crossover
and
transition
here
with
some
of
the
topics
that
folks
were
just
talking
about
in
terms
of
solar
on
the
roof
and
renewable
energy
and
battery
storage,
and
things
like
that
that
are
in
this
policy
that
that
we're
really
excited
about
and
while
we'd
like
to
be
able
to
roll
them
out
with
a
heavy
hand
and
make
them
mandatory
across.
N
You
know
all
buildings
and
development
in
the
city.
This
municipal,
owned
and
operated
group
is
going
to
be
where
you
know
we
have
the
heaviest
hand
and
the
most
influence
in
terms
of
budget
and
in
terms
of
city
expectations,
and
things
like
that.
N
So
this
is
where,
where
we're
really
trying
to
push
the
envelope
with
some
of
these
kind
of
new
technologies
that
we're
seeing
and
also
that
we're
going
to
need
to
hit
our
climate
goals
and
hopefully
kind
of
laying
out
that
path
to
prove
that
it
can
and
should
be
done.
So
so
a
little
bit
of
a
brief
background
here.
This
building
policy
came
about
due
to
the
the
city
council
resolution
in
in
2019
that
decreed
that
you
know
we
should.
We
should
get
to
work
on
this.
N
N
So
our
climate
action
plan-
as
I'm
sure
many
of
you
are
aware-
has
our
greenhouse
gas
emission
reduction
goals
set
out
for
the
next
next
upcoming
years
here,
which
is
the
15
by
2015
to
30
by
2025,
and
then
we
also
have
a
goal
of
80
reduction
by
2050..
N
So,
as
I
mentioned,
this
policy
will
have
two
paths.
One
is
this
municipal
owned
and
operated,
and
then
the
the
second
part
will
be
economic
development,
so
that
will
be
where
there
are
any
projects
that
come
to
the
city
for
for
funding
or
for
some
sort
of
resource
help.
Where
you
know
again,
we
have
that
lever.
We
have
that
influence
where
we
can
require
them
to.
N
You
know,
do
a
little
bit
more
in
terms
of
sustainability.
Things
like
that
so,
and
I
will
say
you
know
this
is
you
know,
municipal
owned
and
operated
is,
is
one
component
of
a
whole
suite
of
different
kinds
of
properties
and
different
kinds
of
sustainability
requirements
that
are
out
there.
You
know,
as
far
as
our
one
to
twenty
unit
residential
you
know.
Recently,
the
energy
star
and
passive
house
international
standards
were
passed.
N
Regarding
those
properties,
our
public
housing
requires
what
is
called
enterprise
green
communities
and
they
just
updated
their
criteria
to
the
2020
standards
and
currently
municipal,
owned
and
operated
city.
Buildings
are
required
to
achieve
at
least
a
leed
silver
standard,
and,
and
there
have
been
a
few
that
that
we've
actually
achieved
gold
on.
So
it's
not
like
we're
going.
You
know,
starting
from
scratch
here,
but
again,
80
reduction.
N
We
need
to
be
pushing
to
that
to
that
next
level
of
efficiency
and
renewable
energy,
but
while
also
taking
you
know
a
broader
and
more
encompassing
look
beyond
just
sustainability.
You
know
taking
those
blinders
all
up
and
also
looking
at
community
engagement
and
equity
and
improving
the
communities
where
some
of
these
projects
will
will
eventually
be
so,
and
you
know
really
quick
why
buildings,
two
graphics
on
the
right.
I
hope
you
can
see
these.
The
top
one
are
is
a
greenhouse
gas
emissions
inventory.
N
Now
this
is
from
2010,
so
it's
a
little
out
of
date,
but
actually
the
numbers
have
increased
in
terms
of
the
greenhouse
gas
emissions
that
are
due
to
our
built
environment,
so
that
is
the
commercial
and
industrial
buildings
combined
with
the
residential
buildings,
and
that
number
has
increased
to
74
percent.
I
believe
it
was
at
the
last
tenth
account,
so
buildings
are
are
where
we're
going
to
need
to
make
these
make
these
advances.
N
If
we're
going
to
hit
these
goals
and
as
you
can
see
on
the
second
pie,
chart
there
on
the
bottom,
electricity
and
natural
gas-
that's
where
they're
coming
from
a
large
majority
of
it-
and
a
lot
of
that
is,
you
know,
heating,
cooling
and
lighting.
So
this
is
where
we
need
to
be.
This
is
where
we
need
to
be
focused.
So
so
what
we've
done
over
the
past
boy,
it's
been
a
little
over
a
year
now
is
pulled
together,
a
working
group.
N
We
have
a
contract
with
the
university
of
minnesota,
a
center
for
sustainable
building
research.
They
administer
the
b3
program,
which
is
the
buildings
benchmark
and
and
beyond
program,
they've
been
doing
that
since
2004,
and
also
their
program
sb2030,
which
is
the
state
directive
to
reduce
greenhouse
gas
emissions
that
that
came
from
the
governor's
climate
change
advisory
group.
So
we're
kind
of
tapping
into
the
pre-existing
model
that
also
synchronizes
us
with
a
lot
of
other
things
that
are
going
on
within
the
state,
but
as
always
we're
we're
minneapolis.
N
So
we
want
to
go
above
and
beyond
rightfully
so,
so
we're
not
only
utilizing
the
sb
2030
programming
itself,
but
we're
also
setting
those
standards
higher
than
in
some
cases
than
what
they
would
be,
and
so
you
know
for
for
this
approach.
You
know
performance
versus
prescriptive,
as
I
mentioned
before,
there
are
a
lot
of
different
routes
and
and
certification
programs
for
sustainability.
N
We
want
to
remain,
you
know
relatively
agnostic
about
how
we
get
there
it's
more
about
getting
there
it's
more
about
the
performance.
It's
about.
You
know
the
operation
and
maintenance
of
the
building
so
that
we're
seeing
those
emission
reductions.
Now
you
know
that
being
said,
we
do
need
certification.
We
do
need
a
legitimate.
N
N
You
know
one
of
approving
these
program
or
these
projects,
as
they
come
in
through
either
cped
or
through
our
property
and
finance
department,
as
well
as
as
these
projects
are,
are
allocated
and
budget
for
and
and
developed.
N
This
will
be
at
in
all
phases
of
of
the
design
and
implementation
even
beginning
with
the
pre-design
phase.
So
and
then
there
there
will
be
a
tracking
component
of
this
as
well,
and
we
do
have
our
energy
benchmarking
program,
which
I
mentioned
before
that
I'm
involved
with
as
well,
and
basically,
what
that
is.
N
Is
buildings
over
50
000
square
feet
in
the
city
of
minneapolis,
submit
their
utility
data,
their
electricity
consumption,
their
natural
gas
consumption
and
their
water
consumption
to
the
city
and
and
their
corresponding
energy
star
scores
energy
use
intensity,
and
things
like
that.
So
we
can
not
only
parse
out
where
the
buildings
are,
that
that
have
the
most
room
for
improvement
in
terms
of
energy
efficiency.
N
We
can
also
ensure
that
the
buildings
that
are
supposed
to
be
you
know,
high
efficiency,
low
energy
usage
are
actually
performing
on
the
track
that
that
we
wanted
to,
and
then,
as
I
mentioned
before,
you
know,
some
of
these
things
obviously
are
not.
You
know
too
scale,
as
as
we
would
like
to
see
them
in
the
in
the
market
yet,
but
you
know
by
by
leading
and
modeling
these
technologies
and
these
opportunities
for
sustainability,
you
know
kind
of
in
our
own
nest.
We
can.
We
can
learn
a
lot.
N
We
can
improve
a
lot
and
we
can
have
a
lot
of
conversations
that,
hopefully,
you
know,
serve
to
bend
the
curve
and
get
things
into
that
into
that
private
market.
So
so,
with
that
the
primary
categories
for
this
sustainable
building
policy
are
energy,
which
is
really
kind
of
our
proxy
for
carbon,
water,
equity
access
site
and
resilience,
indoor
air
quality
and
materials.
N
So
I'm
going
to
try
to
go
through
these
recognizing
that
we've
got
about
a
half
hour
here
and
I
want
to
leave
plenty
of
time
for
questions
also.
N
You
know,
in
terms
of
timing
of
where
we're
at
right
now
we're
having
a
meeting
with
our
finance
and
property
services
folks
tomorrow,
actually
to
kind
of
get
the
the
final
draft
of
this
policy
in
place.
We
then
have
a
final
follow-up
meeting
with
the
overarching
planning
team,
which
I
mentioned,
is
the
university
of
minnesota,
some
folks
from
cpad
public
works
and
things
like
that.
N
That
meeting
will
be
on
august
3rd
and
hopefully
that's
the
one
where
we
can
kind
of
cross
the
t's
and
dot
the
eyes
and
get
this
out
for
public
comment.
So
this
will
be.
You
know
by
by
no
means
is
this
meeting
tonight
kind
of
the
end-all,
be-all
of
feedback
or
or
an
ongoing
conversation.
N
You
know
we'll
we'll
be
posting
this
up
and
we'll
be
alerting
everybody
when
it
is
up
so
as
as
much
as
we
can,
you
know,
take
and
incorporate
your
feedback
tonight.
We
definitely
will
do
that,
but
by
all
means
the
door
is,
is
continuously
open
as
this
moves
forward,
and
we
just
hear
more
and
more
from
community
as
well,
so
that
the
first
criteria
for
the
policy
is
energy
and
carbon.
N
So
what
we'll
be
looking
at
is
this
sb
2030
program
and
so
for
the
first
tranche,
I
guess,
of
these
products.
What
we'll
be
looking
at
is
an
80
energy
reduction
and
that
comes
from
a
2003
kind
of
average
building
baseline.
N
Now
this
energy
reduction,
this
80
percent,
gets
ratcheted
up
to
90
in
2026
to
2030
and
then
2030,
it's
100.
So
it's
a
it's
a
energy
neutral
building
from
2030
on
which
and
sends
the
name
of
the
program
sp
2030..
So
this
will
continue
to
ratchet
up
as
time
goes
on.
So
this
also
accounts.
N
You
know
for
the
design
of
the
building
itself,
the
energy
modeling,
but
then
there's
also
a
kind
of
one-year
correction
period
or
real-life
kind
of
pilot
test,
where
there's
some
fine-tuning
in
terms
of
operations
in
terms
of
the
actual
efficiencies
of
you
know
some
of
the
systems,
the
hvac
and
things
like
that.
N
So
this
sets
an
absolute
energy
target
in
terms
of
energy
use
intensity,
which
is
kbtu
per
square
foot,
and
this
also
takes
into
account
the
social
cost
of
carbon
which,
as
I
mentioned
before,
was
was
passed
at
this
same
council
meeting
resolution
along
with
this
policy.
N
So
currently
right
now,
the
social
cost
of
carbon
is,
is
42
dollars
a
ton
so
where
that
comes
into
play
or
why
that's
relevant,
I
guess
is
because
part
of
this
program
you
know,
and
the
two
percent
on-site
renewable
energy
is
a
component
of
of
this
there's
a
there's,
a
12-year
return
on
investment
that
we
look
for
in
terms
of
feasibility
for
for
some
of
these
technologies
and
like
renewable
energy.
N
N
What
that
fails
to
take
into
account
with
the
normal
sb2030
program
is
the
kind
of
the
social
cost
of
carbon,
especially
as
we're
seeing
now
what
an
increased
cost
of
carbon
will
do
is
it
will
allow
us
to
implement
more
technologies
and
some
of
those
maybe
harder
to
reach
or
more
expensive
technologies,
because
that
roi
will
be
greater
with
you
know
the
more
tonnage
of
carbon
emissions.
N
We
save
the
more
money
we
will
save
at
that
42
per
ton
rate
so
and
then
also
in
terms
of
energy
and
carbon
reduction,
electric
vehicle
parking
will
be
will
be
under
this
category
as
well.
N
Now
we've
got
a
couple
different
things
moving,
you
know,
enterprise
wide
and
one
of
them
is
a
cped
transportation,
demand
management,
ordinance
and
parking
recommendations
that
go
along
with
that,
and
I
know
that
there
was
a
ciac
letter
that
was
submitted
to
the
city
in
terms
of
eb
parking
recommendations,
and
things
like
that,
and
I
believe
that
letter
pushed
for
20
of
the
installed
eb
parking.
N
What
we're
looking
at
right
now
and-
and
this
is
you
know,
a
great
area
for
feedback,
and
an
additional
conversation
is
looking
at
a
10
of
all
parking
spaces
on
site
are
evie
installed,
with
charging
structure
ready
to
go
plug
and
play
the
the
capacity
is
there
to
do
that.
N
Additionally,
what
we
would
require
is
that
the
rest
of
the
parking
spaces
are
basically
future-proofed
or
they're
ev,
ready
where
there
is
a
what's
called
an
inaccessible
raceway
that
is
installed,
and
basically,
that
is
at
least
a
one-inch
in
diameter
passage
through
which
conduit
can
be
pulled
and
those
charging
stations
can
be
can
be
installed
as
the
need
grows.
N
As
technology
develop
develops
and
things
like
that,
and
then
it
also
requires
an
electrical
panel
capacity
to
charge
20
percent
of
the
parking
spots
at
any
given
time,
and
basically,
what
that
ensures
with
a
smart
charging
system
is
that
you
know
by
by
charging
a
little
here
and
a
little
there
and
kind
of
topping
everybody
off.
20
is
kind
of
the
the
agreed
upon
capacity
that
you
need
to
to
kind
of
take
care
of
100
of
the
spaces
at
any.
Given
time.
N
So
the
next
criteria
water.
So
this
includes
metering
and
reporting
again
under
the
under
the
city,
benchmarking
program
and
reducing
potable
water
usage
by
15
or
50.
Excuse
me-
and
this
is
from
the
1992
epa
energy
policy
act
and
also
for
the
enterprise
owned
and
operated
no
potable
water
used
for
irrigation.
N
This
is,
after
a
two-year
establishment
period,
but
you
know
I
think
this
is
a
an
especially
timely
occurrence
in
terms
of
drought
and
and
things
like
that,
where
we
can
make
a
pretty
strong
case
for
this
and
and
it's
kind
of
a
no-brainer
so
and
honestly
in
talking
with
a
lot
of
our
property
services.
Folks,
we
already
do
a
lot
of
you
know
native
and
minimal
irrigation
plantings
as
well.
So
this
should
be
we're.
A
N
To
do
this,
but
it
it
should
be
very
much
something
that
is.
N
Is
we
just
need
to
put
on
put
on
paper
and
make
sure
that
is
ensured
best
practice
moving
forward
so
next
category
in
terms
of
equity,
so
this
policy
requires
community
engagement
and
community
engagement
in
terms
of
discussing
project
vision,
design
and
the
actual
plan
itself
with
the
impacted
community,
and
so
this
involves
direct
engagement
meetings,
in-person
meetings
incorporating
and
accommodating
you
know,
community
concerns
and
also
access
and
ability
to
to
engage
and
to
bring
up
concerns
that
the
community
might
have.
N
This
component
is
required
for
project
submission
and
approval.
So
we're
really
trying
to
bake
in
here
as
as.
N
N
N
This
is
a
racial
equity
analysis
tool
that
was
developed
by
the
race
and
equity
department
here
at
the
city
of
minneapolis,
and
it
basically
facilitates
you
know
how
the
proposed
project
has
racially
desegregated
data,
a
narrative
on
how
the
community
was
engaged
and
the
ways
that
the
project
will
advance
racial
equity,
so
again,
kind
of
codifying
and
solidifying
documentation
and
proof
of
a
process
for
that
community
engagement
we'll
also
be
utilizing
the
equitable
development
scorecard,
which
was
developed
by
the
alliance
for
metro
stability
and
again
that
that
actually
provides
a
numerical
score
getting
into
some
of
those.
N
Some
of
those
categories
about
community
engagement
and
impact,
and-
and
things
like
that
so
and
then
there's
also
a
layer,
local
air
quality
assessment.
This
will
utilize
the
pca's
min
risks
tool
to
identify
air
quality
that
exceeds
health
bench
marks
and
then
requires
an
implementation
to
mitigate
the
pollution
and
also
requires
air
monitoring.
N
N
Moving
on
to
sight
and
resilience,
here's
where
we
get
into
things
like
storm
water,
so
basically,
what
we'll
be
looking
at
is
public
works
is
is
currently
revising
their
chapter
54
stormwater
requirements.
This
reduces
stormwater
requirements.
It
used
to
be
a
project
had
to
be
an
acre
to
kind
of
trip
that
requirement
that's
now
down
to
a
half
acre
and
what
we're
what
this
is
looking
at
is
you
know
regarding
the
rate,
the
volume
and
the
quality
of
the
stormwater
runoff.
N
So
it's
looking
at
capturing
the
first
1.1
inches
of
rainwater
accumulation
and
reducing
70
of
the
total
suspended
solids
and
also
reducing
the
nutrient
load
specifically
phosphorus
as
well,
and
these
are
based
off
of
the
standards
established
by
the
blue
water
commission-
is
where
those
comp
so
we're
also
looking
at
bird
strike
threat
so
that'll
be
a
whole
building
threat,
factor
of
45
or
less
basically,
that
relates
to
the
material,
the
patterns
and
and
kind
of,
the
visibility
of
the
materials
that
are
being
used
to
minimize
bird
strikes.
N
N
There's
also
a
lights
out
implementation
program
that,
during
those
migratory
seasons,
lights,
are
basically
turned
off
or
adjusted
at
nighttime
to
allow
for
those
pathways
so
also
looking
at
natural
hazard
assessment
and
design.
This
is
in
terms
of
natural.
You
know:
hazards
of
flooding,
urban
heat
drought,
things
like
that,
so
doing
an
on-site
assessment
and
then
also
developing
plans
to
mitigate
or
adapt
to
those
natural
hazards
and
then.
I
N
Our
enterprise,
municipal,
owned
and
operated
will
prohibit
pesticides
and
also
incorporate
an
assessment
of
renewable
energy
battery
storage,
and
this
again
will
incorporate
that
social
cost
of
carbon.
In
terms
of
on-site,
you
know
battery
energy
storage
that
can
be
used
in
in
terms
of
offsetting
peak
hours
or
during
you
know,
periods
of
interruption
or
blackouts
or
or
something
like
that,
but
also
in
times
of
you
know,
natural
hazards
or
disasters
provide
for
a
ancillary
or
backup
generation,
not.
N
And
then
moving
forward
with
indoor
air
quality
and
comfort,
this
is
more
about
kind
of
the
the
performance
of
the
building
internally,
so
we're
looking
at
ashrae
six
standard
62
for
ventilation
and
also
thermal
thermal
regulation
and
comfort
per
temperature,
low
voc
materials.
So
the
interior
materials
must
comply
with
the
california
department
of
health
standard,
so
that
includes
you
know:
flooring,
adhesives,
carpets
things
like
that.
N
We're
also
well
I'll
talk
about
that
later
so,
and
at
least
10
of
the
materials
have
to
be
disclosed
in
terms
of
their
their
chemical
chemicals
that
they
are
comprised
of
and
contained.
So
there's
also
an
active
design
component
to
this,
which
includes
accessibility,
ergonomic
workspaces,
bike
storage
and
things
like
that.
N
Okay,
next
materials
75
to
85
percent
construction
waste
diversion
the
75
is,
is
what
we're
looking
at
in
terms
of
those
economic
development
projects.
What
we're
kind
of
narrowing
down
to
right
now
is
an
eighty
percent
number
for
diverting
asphalt
and
concrete
and
recycling
that
a
ten
percent
reclaim
reclaimed
materials
basically
and
then
recycling
or
diverting
another
85
percent
of
the
remaining
non-hazardous
material.
So.
E
N
Has
to
do
a
lot
with
to
some
extent
new
construction,
but
also
in
terms
of
any
renovations
or
anything
like
that,
making
sure
that
the
deconstruction
materials,
as
well
as
the
construction
materials,
are
taken
taken
account
for
and
handled
in
a
responsible
way,
recycling
and
organics
infrastructure.
This
is
everything
from
you
know,
actual
shoots:
ensuring
loading
dock
space
to
you,
know,
operations
and
making
sure
there's
a
one-to-one
ratio
of
for
every
waste
bin.
There's
a
recycling
and
an
organic
spin.
N
There
are
labeling
requirements
that
are
consistent
with
hennepin
county
and
actually
kind
of
aligned
us
nicely
to
take
advantage
of
some
of
those
hennepin
county
grants
to
to
help
offset
some
of
those
costs
and
and
making
ensuring
that
we
have
enough
of
those
bins
and
things
like
that.
For
internal
waste,
there
will
be
a
whole
building
life
cycle,
analysis
and
lca
of
the
embodied
carbon
of
the
building.
That
includes
the
construction
materials
and
the
construction
itself.
N
As
you
know,
if
you
looked
at
some
of
the
european
models
and
buildings
as
the
operations
of
these
buildings
get
more
and
more
energy
efficient
and
the
energy
itself
becomes
more
sustainable
and
renewable,
some
of
the
heaviest
carbon
impacts
are
actually
in
the
building
and
the
materials
like
the
concrete
and
the
transportation
of
the
materials
for
the
building
itself
than
the
actual
operation
of
the
building.
N
So
we
want
to
make
sure
that
you
know
the
things
we're
minimizing
carbon,
not
only
in
the
heat
and
the
electricity
that
we're
using
to
to
operate,
maintain
the
building,
but
also
in
the
in
the
materials
of
the
building
itself,
and
so
for
municipal
that
there
will
be
that
life
cycle
analysis
that
establishes
that
baseline
and
then
we'll
be
reducing
the
embodied
emissions
by
10.
N
For
that,
so
we're
also,
you
know
in
terms
of
I
know,
the
conversation
was
brought
up
earlier
in
terms
of
carbon
offsets
or
or
ways
that
we
could
kind
of
incentivize
or
pay
for
other
carbon
offsets.
N
We
are
kicking
around
the
idea,
and
this
is
still
in
the
draft
phase,
but
we'd
appreciate
any
comments
or
thoughts
or
ideas
on
this,
of
whatever
the
embodied
carbon
amount
is
for
the
building
itself,
assessing
a
dollar
amount
to
that
embodied
carbon
using
the
social
cost
of
carbon
and
taking
that
money
and
putting
it
in
a
fund
that
would
then
be
available
for
the
economic
development
projects
to
access
in
order
to
minimize
their
carbon
footprint.
N
So
as
an
example,
the
city
builds
a
building.
There's,
you
know
x,
number
of
tons
of
carbon
in
the
embodied
emissions
at
forty
two
dollars.
Let's
say
that
puts
you
know
forty
two
thousand
dollars
into
this
fund,
well,
that
forty
two
thousand
dollars
that
will
be
available
for
another
project
to
directly
reduce
their
carbon
impact,
whether
it
be
through
on-site,
renewable
energy
or
battery
storage
or
or
increased.
L
N
Efficiency,
so
there's
a
direct
correlation
between
the
carbon
that
we
are
using
at
the
city
and
offsetting
that
with
other
projects
that
are
going
on
in
the
city
as
well,
so
so
that's
kind
of
the
nuts
and
bolts
of
it
as
an
overview
here.
So
you
know,
as
I
mentioned,
we'll
be
moving
forward
with
a
few
internal
meetings
here
coming
up
in
the
next
few
weeks.
N
N
That
is
a
joint
effort
between
the
north
side
and
south
side,
green
zones
that
we're
engaging
putting
this
out
to
private
developers
and
consultants
and
also
some
of
the
committees
and
commissions
we
have
here
at
the
city
so
taking
as
much
comment
and
feedback
and
input
as
we
can
here
and
then
hopefully
finalizing
this
policy
and
language
and
moving
forward
here
in
the
very
near
future.
So
with
that,
I'd
love
to
open
it
up
to
just
general
conversations.
Questions
concerns
anything
like
that.
A
Thanks
bjorn
thanks
so
much
for
being
here
this
evening.
I
just
have
a
quick
question
like
in
terms
of
grounding
which
buildings
this
applies
to
sorry.
If
you
already
mentioned
this,
so
a
sustainable
building
policy
would
only
apply
to
buildings
that
receive
some
sort
of
support
from
the
city
or
okay
and
correct.
N
Well,
so
so
so
the
two
paths
are
either
the
buildings
that
we
are
building
as
the
city,
so
city
owned
and
operated.
So
this
would
be
new
buildings
or
any
sort
of
renovation
or
reconstruction
that
goes
on
with
existing
city
buildings
and
then
anything
any
new
buildings
that
the
city
intends
to
own
and
operate
and
then
any
buildings
that
receive
funding
or
resources
from
the
city
as
well.
The
economic
development
programs.
C
Can
I
let
me
just
clarify
one
thing,
though,
that
what
what
bjorn's
been
focusing
on
and
what
we're
moving
forward
here
in
this
next
time
frame
and
this
fall
is,
is
the
enterprise,
the
building
the
city
enterprise?
We
are
moving
the
other
one
forward,
but
we're
still
working
out
a
little
bit.
That's
on
a
bit
of
a
separate
time
frame.
So
it's
it's
very
similar,
but
I
just
wanted
to
clarify.
They
are
two
separate
policies
on
two
separate
time
frames
got.
C
So
let
me,
let
me
just
say
one
other
thing
about
like
the
enterprise
one
we're
trying
to
do.
Some
creative
things
like
on
the
on
the
life
cycle,
cost
assessment
and
sort
of
doing
some
things
like
that
incorporating
social
cost
of
carbon
with
the
intent
that,
as
we
revise
these
over
time,
which
is
sort
of
part
of
the
resolution
that
they
need
to
be
updated
every
at
minimum
five
years
that
they
include
some
of
these
things
that
we're
sort
of
testing
out
as
part
of
the
enterprise.
A
J
Thanks,
I
just
I
had
a
question:
I'm
kind
of
confused
about
the
building
in
the
carbon,
so
is
it
the
people
generating
the
carbon
in
the
building,
or
is
it
the
building
itself
generating
the
carbon
and
because
people
are
working
at
home?
Did
you
is
that?
Does
that
change
the
equation
of
the
carbon
buildup,
because
more
target
people
there's
no
more
people
really
downtown
because
target
had
closed
some
of
the
buildings
and
a
lot
of
people
are
working
from
home.
It
was
that
in
consideration
and
then
my
other
questions.
N
Sure
and
that's
that
that's
a
great
question,
because
we
are
living
in
a
in
a
new
world,
so
the
through
the
sb
2030
program,
which
which
sets
those
you
know
80
from
reduction,
90
reduction
and
eventually
100
reduction.
There's.
K
N
Energy
modeling
that
occurs
in
there
and
they
they
do
that
in
partnership
with
which
is
the
center
for
energy
and
environment.
So
there
is
an
energy
model
that
is
based
on
basically
how
the
building
operates
so
a
standard.
N
N
Those
are
those
are
modeled
for
the
actual
performance
of
the
building
itself
and
then
the
life
cycle.
Carbon
analysis
is
the
actual
building
materials
and
construction
of
the
building.
N
So
I
believe
that
those
are
based
off
of
the
expected
or
the
occupancy
expected
occupancy
of
the
building,
and
if
there
are
less
people
in
the
building,
I
would
assume
that
means
less
energy
draw
because
it
would
mean
less
lighting
is
required
and
with
smart
heating
and
cooling
systems,
we'll
be
able
to
more
accurately
provide
those
systems
in
the
heating
and
cooling
requirements
where
the
building
is
occupied
at
any.
Given
time.
C
Yeah
they
are
based
for
sure
on
occupancy,
but
because
of
the
demand
side
of
things
all
the
time
where
they
have
to
have
the
power
to
be
able
to
be
running
at
full
occupancy
you're,
not
saving
as
much
as
you
might
think,
on
your
energy
bills
and
you're
using
a
fair
amount
of
energy.
Just
because,
like
the
convention
center
is
still
air
conditioned
every
day.
You
know,
even
though
it
hasn't
been
used
very
much,
but.
A
A
So
I'm
wondering
if
it
would
be
possible
to
continue
this
conversation,
maybe
at
the
next
meeting
or
kind
of
what
we
want
to
do
since
I
think,
there's
additional
interest
in
the
policy.
C
Yeah,
let's,
let's
sort
of
we've
got
we
wanted
to
give
you
an
early
heads
up
and
keep
you
in
the
loop
here
so
we'll
what
we
can
do,
we're
still,
as
you
know,
sort
of
finalizing
the
actual
document
here
after
the
next
couple
of
internal
meetings,
and
then
we
can,
you
know,
get
that
out
to
the
group
too,
and
we
can,
you
know,
have
an
additional
comments
or
questions
and
follow
up.
A
Cool
that
what
sounds
good
any
other
like
thoughts
about
process
in
terms
of
providing
feedback
or.
A
Questions,
okay
and
matthew
said
he
would
love
to
have
an
additional
conversation
on
sb,
2030,
cool
noted
and
okay
great.
So
I'm
really
sorry
to
cut
this
conversation
short
there's,
so
so
much
content
there
bjorn
and
thanks
so
much
for
being
here.
I
also
want
to
shout
out
stacey
miller
for
being
here
with
the
city
on
on
both
of
y'alls
evenings,
so
really
really
appreciate
your
time
and
expertise
in
the
last
few
minutes
kim
proposed
the
idea
of
canceling,
the
or
yeah
canceling
the
august,
meaning
I
don't
know.
A
If
that's
a
and
mark
noted
he
wants
to
continue
discussion
and
feedback
on
sp
2030
for
sure
I
don't
know
if
that's
a
if
there's,
if
that's
a
typical
move
to
to
close
it,
it's
kind
of
a
minnesota
tradition
to
kind
of
shut
down
offices
and
work
during
the
state
fair.
So.
C
I
just
want
to
kind
of
yeah
see
how
things
are
going
now,
aaron's
kind
of
a
maybe
too
so
we
were
sort
of
like
just
want
to
sort
of
check
in
if
people
are
around
and
want
to
do
that
in
august,
or
we
certainly
can
it's
not
that
I
just
want
to
sort
of
do
a
check-in.
If
there's
some,
you
know,
people
are
all
here
or
if
that's
sort
of
a
summer,
vacation
kind
of
thing.
B
F
Yeah,
so
I
just
wanted
to
point
out
that
we,
I
think,
are
expecting
the
final,
a
uar
for
the
upper
harbor
terminal
to
be
coming,
and
I
don't
know
if
we
would
be
meeting
again
before
for
the
city
council.
We
had
talked
last
time
about
writing
a
letter
on
about
the
final
aur
and
maybe
having
I
think,
cped
present
at
a
meeting
and
meeting
only
monthly
gives
us
a
pretty
short
timeline
on
that,
as
well
as
the
roof
depot
east
phillips
sites.
A
Great
point:
thanks:
tess
barbara.
I.
A
Okay,
thank
you.
Does
anyone
else
know
they're
not
gonna
be
available.
A
Okay,
well,
it
sounds
like
I'm
available
also,
so
it
sounds
like.
Maybe
we
should
keep
it
on
the
calendar
and
unless
we
can
just
double
check
with
folks
who
aren't
here
to
see
if
there's
gonna
be
kind
of
a.
C
Yes,
the
nice
thing
is,
I
know,
folks,
respond
a
lot
on
the
outlook
affirmatively.
So
that's
always
helpful,
so
I'll
send
someone
out
just
a
week
the
week
before
and
if
there's
something
where
everyone's
not
able
to
do
it,
we'll
we'll
reconvene,
but
otherwise
it
looks
like
we're
we're
good
to
go
and
we
have
folks
going
to
be
around
so.
A
Cool
awesome:
well,
thank
you
kim
thanks
everyone
for
being
here
for
your
time
and
attention
and
thoughtful
questions
and
discussion
and
we'll
be
remote
again
in
august
and
remote
in
september,
and
then
right
right
and
then
back
into
in
october,
correct
cool.
Oh,
I
think
we
need
a
motion
to
adjourn
so
can
I
get
motion
to
adjourn.
A
Tess
moves,
absolutely
adjourned.
Borrowed
you
on
a
second,
oh
second,
okay,
thank
you.
I
don't.
I
think
we
can
just
go
and
yeah
sorry.
My
script
is
buried
in
my
notes
over
here
all
right
hearing,
none.
We
are
adjourned
thanks,
folks,.