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From YouTube: August 10, 2021 Police Conduct Oversight Commission
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B
You
good
evening
my
name
is
cynthia
jackson.
I
am
the
chair
of
the
police,
conduct
oversight,
commission
and
I'm
going
to
call
this
meeting
to
order
for
august
10
2021.
B
The
city
will
be
recording
and
posting
this
meeting
to
the
city's
website
and
youtube
channel
as
a
means
of
increasing
public
access
and
transparency.
This
meeting
is
public
and
subject
to
the
minnesota
open
meeting
law.
At
this
time,
I
will
ask
the
clerk
to
call
the
role,
so
we
can
verify
a
quorum
for
this
meeting.
A
Chair
jackson,
president,
we
have
seven
members
present
I'll.
Let
you
know,
commissioner,
chair
jackson
in
case
you
did
not
see
the
email
commissioner
jacobson
is
also
going
to
be
absent
this
evening.
Yes,.
B
So
let
the
record
reflect
that
we
do
have
a
quorum,
we'll
next
proceed
to
our
agenda,
a
copy
of
which
has
been
posted
for
public
access
to
the
city's
legislative
information
management
system,
which
is
available
at
limbs.minneapolismn.gov.
B
E
F
G
E
B
C
H
D
E
B
That
motion
carries
and
minutes
for
the
july
meeting
are
accepted
before
we
move
on
to
public
comments.
Vice
chair
abdi
has
an
announcement
vice
chair
abdi.
You
have
the
floor.
I
Thank
you,
chair
jackson.
I
just
wanted
to
take
this
time
to
personally
address
the
commission,
because
I
will
regrettably
have
to
step
down
for
my
position
as
commissioner
and
vice
chair,
because
I've
accepted
a
role
in
the
ward
4
office
as
senior
policy
aide.
I
have
learned
so
much
from
each
and
every
one
of
you.
I
plan
to
continue
to
work
with
the
pcoc
and
be
a
real
champion
to
public
safety
is
along
with
the
community,
and
I
just
I'm
grateful
for
the
opportunity.
Thank
you
so
much.
Everyone.
A
B
I
B
The
next
order
of
business
is
the
acceptance
of
public
comments.
I
will
explore
and
invite
comments
from
the
community.
We
will
limit
the
public
comment
period
to
more
no
more
than
two
minutes
per
speaker
and
please
remember
to
press
star
six
to
unmute
your
phone
and
state.
Your
name
with
that
said.
Are
there
any
community
members
here
tonight
that
would
wish
to
address
the
commission.
J
I
live
in
phillips.
I
want
to
thank
chair
jackson
for
bringing
up
at
your
last
meeting
the
issue
of
how
difficult
it
is
for
both
commissioners
and
members
of
the
public
to
get
information
from
the
office
of
police
conduct
review.
This
comment
I'd
made
to
you
in
writing,
but
I
think
it
should
also
be
made
as
part
of
the
audio
of
a
public
con
of
a
police
conduct
review
commission
monthly
meeting.
J
So
several
months
ago
I
had
noticed
that
the
police
contact
review
panel
members
were
instructed
in
their
opcr
brochure
to
send
to
the
opcr
joint
supervisors
mpd
policy,
recommendations
that
occurred
to
them
as
a
result
of
hearing
any
particular
case.
So
I
asked
the
joint
supervisors
in
writing
whether
that
had
ever
happened
and
if
so,
what
was
done
with
those
policy
recommendations.
J
I
asked
this
question
via
email
on
december
10,
2020
january
5th,
2021
january
14th
january
22nd
january
29th
february,
4th
february
11th
february,
26,
that
one
incorrectly
addressed
to
director
wheeler
and
commander
wheeler
march
12
march
26
april
21st
may
18th
that
one
only
directed
to
only
to
director,
jafar
and
june
14th
again
only
to
director
jafar
and
which
led
commissioner
sarah
to
send
the
june
15th
email
to
both
director
jafar
and
commander
wheeler.
Asking
the
same
question.
J
I
received
no
response
zilch
to
any
of
those
13
separate
emails,
sent
over
a
period
of
six
months.
There
were
so
many
requests,
I
even
miscounted
them
and
thought
there
were
only
twelve.
I
finally
did
get
the
information
by
making
a
formal
data
practices
request
of
the
city.
The
answer
was:
there
is
no
such
data.
The
fact
that
making
such
a
request
was
necessary
in
is
unconscionable
for
any
city
agency
and
maybe
more
so
for
one
involved
in
police
oversight.
So
what
happens
to
a
civilian
joint
supervisor
who
shows
such
disrespect
for
the
public?
J
Why
effectless
and
probably
ignorant
of?
What's
going
on
executive
committee?
That's
made
mayor
frye
council,
president
bender
council,
vice
president
jenkins
and
council
members,
gordon
and
johnson,
promote
search
of
the
temporary
position
of
interim
director
of
the
whole
civil
rights
department.
This
refusal
to
answer
a
basic
informational
question
from
a
resident
of
minneapolis
is
in
effect,
rewarded.
J
Well,
since
the
two
joint
supervisors
make
all
of
the
important
decisions
jointly
at
several
steps
in
the
processing
of
every
complaint,
which
requires
knowing
a
lot
of
information
about
each
and
every
case.
I
then
asked
in
writing
who
was
acting
as
the
joint
civilian
joint
supervisor,
which
seemed
to
me
to
be
a
fairly
full-time
job.
While
miss
jafar
was
the
interim
director
of
the
whole
department
and
again
I
didn't
get
a
response
this
time
to
only
three
such
requests.
J
I
learned
more
quickly
this
time,
but
again
I
was
forced
to
make
a
date
of
practices
request
and
another
person
made
a
similar
data
practices
request
to
get
this
simple
bit
of
information.
Who
was
the
civilian
person
making
these
important
decisions
on
the
vast
majority
of
complaints
that
come
to
the
opcr?
J
If
the
non-response
to
my
question
about
policy
recommendations
coming
from
the
review,
panelists
was
unconscionable,
this
non-response
was
unconscionable
ridiculous
and
crazy.
A
response
would
have
taken
two
minutes.
I
said
it
before
and
I'll
say
it
again.
Anyone
who
asks
questions
of
this
opcr
seems
by
that
very
act
to
be
considered
an
enemy
if
you,
commissioners,
are
having
similar
problems.
Welcome
to
the
club,
a
club
that
should
not
exist
in
any
city
with
a
functioning
civilian
oversight
system.
J
B
B
B
Okay,
I'll
give
it
10
more
seconds,
commissioners
and
then
we'll
move
on.
H
K
C
I
wonder
if
I
could
just
respond
briefly
to
mr
tursic's
comments
if
that'd
be
okay,
chair
jackson-
yes,
I
just
want
to
let
this
group
know
that
I
also
asked
who
are
the
joint
supervisors,
and
I
asked
that
last
year
in
2020,
when
I
had
just
begun-
and
I
was
new-
and
I
was
just
trying
to
understand
the
landscape
and
at
that
time
no
one
from
the
opcr
or
city
staff
would
even
respond
to
that
email.
C
Even
to
me
as
a
commissioner-
and
I
was
simply
trying
to
understand
who
or
the
commissioner
you
know
who
do
I
need
to
work
with,
who
do
I
need
to
communicate
with,
and
that
kind
of
thing
so
it
is,
it
is
really
a
problem
and
it's
blocking
our
access
just
to
do
very
basic
tests
and
just
to
understand
who
we're
working
with
and
when
mr
churchik
was
asking
questions
about.
Has
the
review
panel
ever
provided
recommendations
to
the
pcoc?
C
I
wanted
to
know
that
information
too,
because
I
think
review
panelists
would
be
in
a
very
good
position
to
identify
a
specific
issue
and
let
us
know
about
it
and
and
if
that
information
existed,
I
you
know,
I
really
want
to
hear
it.
So
if
it
doesn't
that's
fine,
but
you
know
this,
is
I
had
a
personal
interest
in
understanding
that
as
well.
So
I
just
wanted
to
commend
mr
turchik
for
bringing
this
up
and
to
being
so
persistent
and
to
just
share
that
that's
a
concern
of
mine
as
well.
B
D
A
D
Very
much
madam
chair,
the
audit
subcommittee
met
on
july
26th.
We
had
a
relatively
short
but
eventful
meeting,
first
of
which
was
regards
to
our
no
knock
warrants.
We
had
a
draft
our
research
paper
that
was
put
together
by
our
staff
regarding
the
scope
and
goals
of
a
potential
study.
D
The
document
that
I'm
going
to
be
putting
in
the
chat
right
now
for
public
record
can
be
found
within
the
agenda
of
the
subcommittee
dated
the
26th
for
the
people
who
are
following
online,
but
for
those
members
who
are
interested,
that
draft
is
now
in
the
chat
for
you.
I
will
also
say
that's
the
original
copy
of
the
draft.
Our
subcommittee
did
expand
on
those
goals
to
talk
about
the
impact
financial
impact
of
the
city,
as
well
as
potential
costs
to
property
owners
upon
a
no
knock
entry.
D
Those
are
the
two
major
additions
to
the
goals
that
were
listed
there
in
terms
of
coaching
the
other
topic
that
has
been
referred
to
our
subcommittee.
D
We
talked
with
the
staff
as
well
regarding
a
dashboard
that
has
already
been
created
prior
to
all
of
us
being
on
this
commission
regarding
coaching
data,
and
it
has
not
been
updated.
Some
of
you
may
have
heard
about
this.
When
we
had
that
presentation
about
coaching,
we
want
to
make
sure
that
that's
updated
and
that
way
we
get
a
more
aggregate,
up-to-date
picture
of.
What's
going
on
before
we
start
having
a
conversation
about
the
alignment
of
coaching
policy
versus
practice.
D
B
K
B
Great
job,
commissioner
pineau,
with
that
without
objection,
I
will
direct
the
clerk
to
receive
and
file
this
report.
C
Thank
you.
The
pnp
policy
and
procedure
subcommittee
also
had
a
very
brief,
but
I
think
productive
meeting
we
had
one
guest
speaker,
professor
rachel
moran
who's,
a
law
professor
at
here
at
the
university
of
saint
thomas
law.
School
and
her
area
of
scholarship
is
police
oversight,
police
accountability
and
access
to
government
data
so
really
kind
of
right
within
the
wheelhouse
of
what
we're
working
on
and
her
scholarship
is
national
in
scope.
C
So
she
was
able
to
provide
us
like
a
really
interesting
perspective
that
we
don't
like
in
the
commission.
I
think
we
kind
of
were
always
looking
at
minneapolis
and
what
our
internal
policies
say
and
she
was
able
to
kind
of.
Let
us
know
what
exists
in
other
states,
other
cities
other
jurisdictions.
It
was
really
helpful
and
specifically
what
she
was
speaking
of
at
this
meeting
was
council
member
gordon's
proposed
framework
for
changing
the
existing
oversight
ordinance
and
what
that
might
look
like
in
the
future,
and
she
did
make
some
recommendations.
C
C
C
She
emphasized
very
strongly
that
we
need
subpoena
power
and
witness
power,
meaning
the
ability
to
interview
witnesses
which
necessitates
paid
staff
to
do
investigations
so
there
that
that
exists
today
there
are
paid
investigators
within
the
opcr
and
intake
staff
and
all
of
that.
But
what
does
not
exist
today
is
subpoena
power
and
witness
power
for
the
commission
and
even
even
for
the
opcr's.
I
understand
it.
It's
not
quite
subpoena
power,
so
this
would
be.
C
This
would
be
an
enhancement
to
the
existing
ordinance
that
she
feels
is
absolutely
essential
and-
and
I
personally
agree
with
that-
she
emphasized
that
we
need
to
be
independent
of
law
enforcement
and
that
any
law
enforcement
individuals
who
would
either
participate
or
be
affiliated
with
the
commission
would
give
advice,
but
would
not
be
decision
makers,
and
that
would
be
one
way
of
including
perspective,
but
not
but
maintaining
a
level
of
independence.
C
She
recommended
that
the
oversight
commission
have
disciplinary
power,
but
she
understands
the
state
of
minnesota
law
as
it
exists
today
and
without
a
change
to
state
law.
That's
that's
just
not
available
to
us,
so
in
the
alternative
to
changing
state
law,
which
we
can't
do.
She
recommends
that
we
that
there's
a
mechanism
for
us-
or
you
know
the
panel
to
recommend
discipline
and
if
the
chief
departs
from
that
recommendation,
then
the
chief
would
have
to
explain
in
writing.
C
Why
there's
a
departure
or
a
discrepancy
or
what
have
you?
So
if
the
review
panel
recommended
a
b
level
reprimand
and
the
chief
elected
not
to
do
that
to
do
an
a
level
whatever
then
the
chief
would
have
to
say.
I
believe
there's
mitigating
circumstances
or
what
have
you
and
that's
why
she
recommended
professor
recommended
regular
public
reports
from
this
body
from
the
pcoc
or
whatever
exists,
moving
forward,
and
I
think
that's
actually
a
great
idea.
C
One
thing
she
said
is
no
police
officers.
No
minneapolis
police
officers
can
sit
on
the
panel
or
the
selection
committee
or
or
choose
who
sits
on
this
commission
or
the
review
panel.
So
that
would
have
to
be
a
change,
because
today,
minneapolis
police
officers,
police
officers
do
participate
in
selecting
and
interviewing
commissioners.
C
She
suggested
that
public
groups
be
included
in
the
commission.
She
thought
one
way
that
that
could
happen
is
that
there
would
be
one
seat
or
one
commissioner
reserved
for
a
select
organization.
So,
for
example,
cuapb
communities,
united
against
police
brutality,
they're
very
active.
That
group
comes
to
mind.
Perhaps
council
would
elect
to
have
a
seat
on
this
commission
for
the
cua
pv
you
know
and
whoever
might
come
through
them.
It
doesn't
have
to
be
the
cuapb.
She
didn't
say
a
group.
C
And
finally,
she
said
if
the
chief
departs
regularly
from
your
recommendations
that
this
should
be
documented
and
it
should
be
limited,
so
the
chief
shouldn't
be
allowed
to
just
depart
every
single
time.
You
know
there
should
be
some
like
pushback
against
that,
and
one
thing
I
personally
brought
up.
So
this
is
not
the
professor
but
me
the
professor
provided
us
a
copy
of
the
the
law
that's
being
passed
in
maryland,
and
one
provision
of
the
maryland
law
said
that
the
chief
can
issue
discipline
different
than
what
the
civilian
panel
recommends.
C
C
So
let's
say:
there's
a
complaint
again
about
excessive
force
and
it
was
sustained
and
under
the
matrix,
the
range
is
c
through
d
and
either
the
joint
supervisors
or
the
lieutenant
or
whomever
recommended
a
c-level.
C
C
The
chief
would
still
maintain
plenty
of
control
and
input,
because
the
chief
of
course
develops
the
discipline
matrix
and
makes
decisions
about
what's
on
it
and
what
the
levels
are
and
what
that
should
be,
but
but
this
is
a
way
of
holding
the
chief
to
that
matrix
and
saying
you
know
these
are
the
decisions
we
want
in
the
community
and
we
want.
We
want
to
see
you
do
this,
so
that
was
professor
moran's
presentation
and
council.
C
Member
gordon
was
also
present,
and
he
was
also
taking
a
lot
of
notes
and
he
had
his
own
questions.
So
I
just
like
to
say
that
I
really
appreciate
council
member
gordon's,
engagement
and
support
of
the
commission,
and
he
said
several
times
how
important
it
was
for
this
commission
to
do
this
work
and
you
know,
gather
community
input
and
invite
public
comment,
and
so
I
you
know,
I
just
felt
really
good
about
that
and
it's
it's
nice
to
have
council
be
so
engaged
with
us,
so
that
was
a
good
stuff.
C
C
He
took
that
information
and
he
met
with
her
personally
and
he
was
able
to
create
a
working
group
within
hcmc
where
he's
employed
and
together
they
formed
a
partnership
to
work
with
new
americans
and
immigrants
and
help
them
understand
our
emergency
response
system
and
our
medical
system
so
that
they
were
calling
9-1-1
when
they
needed
it,
but
not
calling
9-1-1.
When,
like
that's,
not
what
the
situation
recommended,
you
know
some
people
didn't
call
9-1-1,
they
didn't
know
it
existed
and
some
people
called
9-1-1
to
like
refill
their
prescriptions.
C
So
like
there
was
a
lot
of
confusion,
so
that
was
a
huge
win
and
I
wanted
to
share
it
with
this
group
because,
like
the
impact
will
be
felt
immediately
and
it's
really
just
the
result
of
having
these
open
conversations
and
inviting
community
speakers
and
having
you
know
a
city
leader
director,
rivero
partner
with
us
and
provide
us
information
and
help
us
bring
this
bring
this
out
into
the
community.
So
that
was
another
really
great
thing
that
happened.
C
We
also
had
an
our
agenda
to
speak
about
arbitration
and
misdemeanor
arrests.
Both
of
those
items
required
data
from
the
city
and
this
commission
voted
as
a
whole.
You
know
to
direct
the
city
to
provide
that
information
to
our
subcommittee
and
we
still
don't
have
it.
We
still
don't
have
the
arbitration
decisions
where
the
city's
position
was
overturned
and
we
don't
have
any
information
at
all
from
mpd
about
misdemeanor
arrested
citations.
C
The
city
attorney
has
been
at
least
responsive
and
saying
they
gave
us
three
out
of
the
ten
decisions
and
and
apparently
the
other
seven
are
forthcoming,
but
it's
been
radio
silence
from
mpd.
So
that's
frustrating.
It's
continued
to
the
agenda
for
next
month.
I
really
hope
we
have
the
information,
but
that's
only
two
weeks
away.
So
if
we
don't
get
it,
you
know
soon
it's
going
to
be
really
hard
to
analyze
that
in
time
to
have
a
meaningful
conversation.
B
B
That
sounded
like
it
was
a
fascinating,
productive,
very
enlightening
subcommittee
meeting.
Thank
you,
commissioner,
sarah
for
having
those
guests
and
getting
all
that
information
and
suggestions
for
us.
B
I
am
all
in
how,
however,
because
I
don't
know
either
I
wouldn't
mind
being
the
one
doing
it,
but
I
wouldn't
know
how
but
everything
everything
that
she
brought
to
the
table.
I
I
would
be
in
favor
of
the
minneapolis
pcoc
implementing.
B
C
She
she
didn't
go
super
much
into
a
comparison.
She
said,
there's
a
really
a
full
range
across
the
nation
which
you
know
makes
sense.
She
she
says
our
model,
you
know,
she's,
being
diplomatic
is
really
weak.
C
We
don't
have
subpoena
power,
we
don't
have
witness
power,
we
can't
access
data,
we
have
police
officers,
selecting
the
commissioners,
I
mean,
there's
just
there's
a
lot
of
there's
a
lot
of
opportunities
for
grow
up.
You
know,
but
we
have
some
really
good
stuff.
You
know
opcr
already
exists.
They
already
have
paid
investigators
who
write
very
thorough
investigations
and
do
some
some
great
work.
C
So
a
lot
of
stuff
is
is
really
good
and
and
there's
a
lot
of
room
to
grow,
and
I
want
to
say
one
more
thing
is
I
provided
her
a
copy
of
the
nicole
cold
ethics,
which
is
sort
of
like
our
guiding
principles
and
every
every
remark
and
suggestion
she
had
was
in
line
with
what
nickel
recommends
as
well.
So
that
was
a
relief
to
me
that
they're,
you
know
there's
kind
of
like
dovetailing
and
there
wasn't
a
conflict
there.
B
Okay,
any
other
commissioners
have
comments
or
questions
for.
Commissioner.
Sarah,
commissioner,
pino.
D
I
mean,
since
the
chair
mentioned,
that
you
know
there
could
be
a
comparison,
and,
commissioner,
sarah
you,
you
did
say
she
kind
of
alluded
to
it,
but
we
didn't
explicitly
have
a
direct
like
one-to-one
comparison
on
particular
policy
issues.
D
Would
it
be
of
interest
to
the
commission
to
refer
such
a
direction
to
the
audit
subcommittee
and
we
could
have
staff
put
together
a
neco
centered,
along
with
the
additional
research
that
we
got
from
this
professor
one-to-one
comparison
between
pcoc
and
opcr's
joint
entity
versus
some
of
the
comparison
groups
either
listed
as
neco
entities
or
the
ones
that
were
listed
during
your
presentation?.
D
Would
it
be
repetitive,
I
guess
because
it
sounds
like
yes,
like
the
answers
have
kind
of
been
alluded
to,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
when
sheriff
jackson
asked,
you
said,
no,
there
isn't
a
direct
comparison.
So
that's
the
whole
reason
why?
I'm
speaking,
if
the
answer
truly
is
a
no,
we
could
have
that
be
some
of
our
work.
C
I
you
know
respectfully,
I
think
it
might
be
repetitive
just
because,
even
if
she
were
to
like
or
you
were
to
draw
like
well
chicago,
does
this
and
boston
does
this
kind
of
what
we
want
are
the
recommendations
of
what
works
yeah,
which
is
what
she
presented
and
council
member
gordon,
was
there
to
take
notes
and
stuff
like
that?
Okay,.
D
B
B
I
don't
necessarily
see
it
as
being
repetitive,
because
we
don't
have
a
fully
developed
idea
of
that.
We
have
some
nuance,
but
not
really
the
information
so
we'll
return
to
that.
Vice,
chair
d,
I
see
you
have
your
hand
up.
I
Yeah,
I
just
wanted
to
share
my
thoughts
on
that
presentation
and
just
like
lift
up
the
sense
of
urgency
around
everything
that
we're
talking
about
right
now.
I
think
it
was
a
really
cool
good
way
to
just
kind
of
humble
ourselves,
because
I
think
we
can.
It
could
feel
daunting
when
we
can't
do
anything,
but
rather
focusing
on
what
we
can
do
and
she
was
able
to
just
give
us
10
things
that
we
could
focus
on.
So
it
was
just.
I
It
gave
me
a
sense
of
hope
of
like
okay,
there's,
there's
things
that
we
can
do
to
push
these
things
forward
and
yeah.
I
I
thought
it
was
a
really
great
presentation
and
something
that
to
definitely
consider
for
sure.
B
D
Yeah
just
a
follow-up
question.
Looking
at
your
marked
agenda,
commissioner,
sarah,
those
three
attached
documents
in
the
line
item
that
we're
talking
about
are
the
that's
the
exhaustive
list
of
additional
information
that
I
would
need
to
do
if
to
look
at.
Are
there
other
documents
that
are
not
publicly
available
yet
on
this
topic?.
K
G
Well,
this
might
be
in
the
documents
that
commissioner
pinau
is
just
referencing,
but
it
sounds
like
so
far.
One
of
those
recommendations
might
be
restricted
by
state
law,
but
do
we
already
have
a
good
sense
of
like
things
we
could
take
action
on
now?
It
seems
like
we're
all
so
far
pretty
amenable
to
doing
what
we
can
so
do.
We
have
a
good
idea
of
like
how
we
might
be
able
to,
or
did
she
give
us,
I
guess
an
idea
of
how
we
might
be
able
to
approach
some
of
these
more
immediately.
G
If
we're
trying
to
do
anything
shorter
term.
J
C
You
know
my
understanding
of
minneapolis
law
is.
That
would
probably
require
a
change
to
the
ordinance,
which
is
what
council,
member
gordon
is
working
on.
It
might
be
able
to
be
accomplished
with
a
staff
directive,
but
you
know
obviously
an
ordnance
change
would
be
stronger
and
then
it
would
also
have
to
be
backed
up
by
funding.
I
mean
she
did
say
that,
like
this
would
have
to
be
funded.
C
B
B
K
J
K
Then
also
one
of
our
body-
camera
analysts,
nick
barkley,
and
we're
going
to
walk
through
the
specific
case
summary
process
and
then
also
provide
an
example
of
what
a
case
summary
would
look
like.
So
I'm
just
going
to
jump
right
into
what
the
proposed
process
would
be.
So
it
would
include
detailed
case
some,
oh
and
before
I
continue,
can
you
all
see
the
opcr
public
case
summary
proposal
document?
Is
that
brought
up.
A
No,
it's
not.
I
am
getting
that
shared
right
now,.
K
G
K
Great,
so
I'm
just
gonna
walk
through
this
document
and
then
we'll
get
on
to
the
specific
case
summary
example.
But
the
proposed
case
summary
process
is
going
to
include
detailed
case
summaries
for
five
randomly
selected
cases
and
those
will
be
representative
cases
and
then
the
commission
would
be
reviewing
a
total
of
60
cases
per
year.
So
just
very
generally,
the
new
process
relies
on
allegation,
categorization,
randomization
and
then
representative
sampling,
and
the
goal
here
is
to
promote
more
transparency
and
also
aid
in
the
auditing
and
monitoring
functions
of
the
pcoc.
K
So
now
I'm
going
to
dive
a
little
bit
more
into
the
specific
methodology
of
the
proposed
process.
So
first
the
population
of
complaints,
that's
eligible
for
selection
is
going
to
be
identified
and
those
complaints
are
going
to
come
from
the
previous
365
days.
So
that
will
be
the
population
universe
and
then
that
specific
date
that
they
were
drawn
will
be
noted
within
the
portal.
So
then,
in
addition,
the
population
will
be
broken
down
into
categories
and
these
categories
are
based
on
the
allegation
type.
K
So,
specifically,
you
can
see
that
they
include
adequate
protection,
vehicle
conduct,
use
of
force,
language
and
attitude,
code
of
ethics,
searches,
harassment,
discrimination,
mental
health
body
cameras
and
then
other,
and
you
can
see
under
each
of
these
bullet
points.
There
are
a
couple
different
specific
policies
listed.
That
is
a
non-exhaustive
list.
Those
are
just
examples
of
specific
policies
that
would
fit
under
each
category
and
then
additionally,
there'll
be
certain
case
outcomes
that
are
excluded
from
the
general
population.
K
So
specifically,
this
will
include
cases
that
are
duplicates
ones
that
are
out
of
jurisdiction
closed
by
referral
or
those
that
just
failed
to
state
a
valid
claim.
Importantly,
the
categories
will
be
calculated
as
a
percentage
of
the
total
population
of
cases,
and
this
is
just
to
ensure
that
they
are
a
representative
sample
within
their
population.
K
K
So
this
population
will
then
be
presented
or
excuse.
Me
will
then
be
assigned
a
case
selection
number,
starting
with
one
and
then
once
again,
continuing
on
to
60,
and
then
these
cases
will
be
randomized
into
sets
of
12
with
five
cases
in
each
set.
So
this
is
just
annotating
what
cases
will
be
presented
in
what
month
and
then?
K
Lastly,
opcr
will
publish
the
five
selected
case
summaries
on
its
website
at
the
beginning
of
each
month,
and
this
is
to
allow
members
of
the
public
to
access
these
summaries
as
soon
as
possible,
and
this
is
to
hopefully
like
facilitate
public
input
questions.
So
people
can
review
them
ahead
of
the
meetings
and
then
there
was
also
going
to
be
a
quarterly
review
of
trends.
So
a
quarterly
review
of
the
cases
that
the
commission
has
seen,
because
I
know
at
our
last
meeting,
one
of
the
concerns
was
that
identifying
patterns
is
one
of
the
major
purposes.
K
K
Then
the
cases
within
that
population
are
categorized
according
to
the
violation
type.
Then
the
categories
are
broken
down
into
representative
portions
of
the
total
population
and
cases
within
each
category
are
randomly
selected
until
the
entirety
of
the
60
is
selected.
Then.
Lastly,
the
cases
are
combined
into
groups
of
five
twelve
sets
of
five
so
that
we
can
see
which
ones
will
be
presented
in
what
month
and
then
once
that
whole
selection
process
is
complete.
K
So
that
concludes
the
presentation
of
the
overall
process
and
then,
as
I
mentioned
now,
we'd
like
to
kind
of
walk
through
what
the
case
summary
would
actually
look
like.
So
you
all
can
see
exactly
what
type
of
information
you
would
be
presented
with,
and
then,
if
possible,
could
we
save
questions
until
after
you
see?
What
the
case
summary
looks
like
is
that,
okay
with
everyone,
okay,
could.
K
I
can
see
it
lisa.
Can
everyone
else
see
it
perfect
all
right,
so
you
can
see
that
right
off
the
top.
We
have
included
a
cover
page,
that
kind
of
clearly
notes
the
allegations,
the
policies
and
the
outcomes
in
that
table,
and
we
also
delineated
opcr
police
conduct,
review
panel
and
mpd
outcomes.
So
you
can
clearly
see
what
action
was
taken
at
each
level
and
we
figured
that
this
chart
format
would
be
easier
to
digest
if
someone
was
just
looking
at
the
report
quickly
and
it
would
also
help
with
identifying
patterns
and
trends.
K
So
you
can
take
a
look
over
that
section
and
see
what
would
be
included
there
once
again,
like
I
said
it's
just
the
conduct
that
the
complainant
is
alleging
would
be
the
violation
and
then,
after
that,
we
move
into
the
summary
of
investigation,
and
this
section
is
just
going
to
walk
through
the
stages
of
the
investigation
in
the
same
way
that
opcr
actually
receives
the
complaint
and
investigates
it.
So
it
will
go
through
intake
video
review
case
routing
and
then
the
preliminary
and
administrative
investigations
and
then,
of
course,
it
will
end
with
the
case
outcome.
K
F
Thank
you
britta
chair
jackson
and
the
commission
thanks
for
having
me
here
today.
This
is
our
first
meeting
together,
so
it's
nice
to
put
names
to
faces,
and
I
look
forward
to
working
with
all
of
you
in
the
future.
F
As
brita
was
saying,
the
summary
of
investigation
portion
of
this
will
start
with
the
intake
investigation.
F
We
would
include
information
from
what
we
call
the
busynet
report,
which
is
information
from
our
computer-aided
dispatch
that
mpd
uses.
F
We
would
like
to
list
what
the
problem
was,
so
that
we
have
an
idea
of
what
type
of
call
officers
were
responding
to,
or
were
involved
in
in
this
particular
case,
which
is
merely
an
example
that
we
created.
The
officer
was
involved
in
a
in
a
traffic
collision
on
his
way
to
assisting
another
officer,
and
so
we
would
put
some
notes
in
there
about
what
was
known
at
the
time
to
the
officer
via
dispatch.
F
We
would
include
any
public
sections
of
the
police
report
that
was
written
in
this
particular
instance.
It
says
that,
while,
while
in
route
to
assist
another
officer,
a
city-owned
police
vehicle
crashed
into
another
vehicle
causing
damage
to
property
again,
this
is
just
a
basic
public-facing
information
as
to
what
would
happen
or
as
to
what
happened.
F
Other
information
that
comes
in
during
the
intake
process
might
be
initial
complainant
statements.
Our
intake
investigators
might
have
to
reach
out
to
the
complainant,
via
telephone
or
email,
to
confirm
some
of
the
information
that
was
written
in
the
original
complaint.
F
They
might
have
to
look
at
work
schedules
mpd.
They
might
have
to
look
at
the
gps
data
from
specific
squads
or
any
other
documents
that
might
be
needed
to
identify
to
properly
identify
the
focus
officer.
At
the
same
time,
this
is
going
on
our
body,
analysts
or
body,
worn
camera.
Analysts
use
me
we'll
be
reviewing
to
see
if
any
footage
exists
from
body,
worn
camera
or
any
other
forms
of
video
surveillance
that
we
might
be
able
to
access.
F
In
this
section,
there
would
be
again
an
indication
of
whether
or
not
body,
worn
camera
footage
existed
and
the
work
that
analysts
did
during
their
initial
investigation
of
the
footage.
So
in
this
particular
example,
video
analysts
reviewed
30
minutes
of
video
from
an
officer
which
began
recording
after
the
crash
occurred
and
again
at
the
top
of
the
the
example.
Here.
We
have
that
cover
page
that
lists
the
allegations
that
were
made,
and
one
of
them
was
that
they
didn't
properly
activate
their
body-worn
camera
and
so.
F
F
F
As
you
know,
administrative
investigators
from
opcr
all
of
them
put
their
input
into
this
meeting,
but
ultimately
it's
the
joint
supervisors
who
make
the
decision,
and
after
in
this
example
after
reviewing
the
relevant
data
and
evidence
collected
during
intake,
the
supervisors
agreed
that
the
complaint
war
did
an
administrative
review
or
investigation
and
per
the
complainant's
request.
F
So
once
the
joint
supervisor
decision
has
been
made
to
assign
to
a
administrative
investigator
in
opcr,
it
is
then
assigned
to
an
investigator
and
at
that
point,
at
this
point
I'll
hand
it
over
to
chris
to
talk
about
administrative
and
preliminary
investigations.
L
So
good
to
see
everyone
again
so
for
the
the
admin
investigation
or
it
can
be
a
preliminary
investigation.
The
this
is
really
information
that
is
outside
of
mpd,
so
we
get
the
statement
from
the
complainant,
those
are
recorded
and
then
transcripts
are
taken
any
witness
statements,
and
this
can
include
witness
statements
from
witness
officers,
but
also
civilian
witnesses.
You
know
anyone
we
have
information
on
who
we
can
talk
to
that
can
provide
insight
into
the
case
in
an
admin
investigation.
We
also
take
a
statement
from
the
focus
officer.
L
This
is
done
under
a
decision
called
guaranty.
That
means
it
is
compelled,
but
it
cannot
be
used
outside
this
process
and
then
that
would
also
include
any
additional
evidence
that
we
would
gather
from
from
other
sources.
You
know
medical
documents
would
be
an
example
if
it's
a
use
of
force,
allegation
or
jail
records
text
messages
that
prove
certain
conduct.
L
You
know
any
any
other
information
that
is
available
to
us
third
party
cctv
and-
and
you
know
it's
held
elsewhere
once
the
administrative
investigation
is
completed,
everything
gets
packaged
up
to
be
stand
on.
That
includes
all
the
exhibits
listed,
as
well
as
the
actual
report
that
is
written
out
about
what
happened
with
the
the
full
incident,
and
then
that
is
put
forward
so
that's
kind
of
where
we
move
on
to
the
case
outcomes
which
are
listed
at
the
end
here.
L
So
in
this
particular
case
with
a
full
administrative
investigation,
it
then
gets
forwarded
to
the
review
panel.
The
review
panel
is
made
up
of
two
sworn
minneapolis.
Offices
of
I
believe,
rank
of
lieutenant
or
higher
could
be
wrong
on
that,
but
it
is
higher
ranks
and
then
two
civilians.
L
L
So
in
this
particular
incident
the
discipline
was
given
with
a
suspension
of
eight
hours.
It's
just
an
example,
but
that'd
be
an
option.
The
chief
could
make
on
discipline,
but
it
is
that
final
part.
It
is
the
chief's
decision
under
minnesota
state
law,
as
was
discussed
earlier.
L
Something
else
that
I
would
like
to
go
over.
I
have
a
screenshot
of
it
here,
but
lisa
that's
gonna,
be
an
issue
to
show.
I
can
just
talk
about
it.
G
L
And,
of
course,
this
is
now
the
time.
It's
not
showing
up.
Sorry
give
me
one
second
here
so
this.
Can
you
all
see
my
screen.
A
L
Okay,
so
this
is
an
this
portal
is
pretty
much
finished
now,
but
the
the
portal
is
to
reflect
the
case
summary
at
the
beginning.
L
So
what
we
do
is
for
the
cases
it
has
the
overarching
subject,
the
main
policy
implicated,
the
opcr
outcome,
any
mpd
outcome
and
the
review
panel's
findings,
and
we
are
going
back
to
2015
and
it
will
list
all
those
cases
and
our
intention
is
to
continue
this
going
forwards,
as
new
cases
are
added
when
the
portal
is
live,
this
link
here
will
bring
up
the
pdf
of
each
case.
Summary
that's
been
done
before
and
we'll
add
that,
as
well
as
the
cases
go
forwards,.
D
Well,
thank
you
very
much
to
our
presenters.
I
do
have
a
few
questions.
D
Three
in
fact,
first
one
is
in
relation
to
and
I'm
sorry
if
you
hear
my
dog
talking
to
me
while
I
am
talking
to
the
whole
group,
the
the
first
not
concerned,
but
just
question
is
in
terms
of
your
methodology
in
terms
of
the
categorization
and
like
the
randomness
in
terms
of
like
randomly
selecting
a
particular
infraction
related
to
a
particular
category.
D
I
would
assume
that
some
of
these,
like
the
body-worn
camera
infraction,
is
not
gonna,
have
a
big
problem
with
randomization,
because
you
will
have
a
lot
of
those
policy
infractions
right,
but
some
of
these
other
ones.
You
know
that
don't
have
a
lot
of
infractions
that
will
happen
throughout
the
course
of
you
know
a
month
when
you,
you
know
redo
this
again
and
again,
even
if
it's
over
a
full
year
period.
D
Do
you
have
a
concern
about
you
know
whether
or
not
randomization
is
going
to
be
effective
there
because
of
the
really
small
sample
size.
A
L
I
can
talk
a
little
bit
to
that,
so
the
the
categorizations
are
based
on
our
case
management
system,
so
that
is
what
they're
broadly
grouped
into
and
then
by
using
a
percentage
from
the
whole
pool.
There
shouldn't
be
an
issue
in
getting
the
selection
for
each
category.
D
Okay,
that
that
was
that
was
definitely
one
of
my
my
other
questions
of,
like
you
know,
asking
about
the
representation
of
those
categories.
So
as
long
as
you
don't
have
a
concern
about
that-
and
I
guess
the
the
limited
sample
size
thing
may
not
be
an
issue.
I
guess
the
one
thing
that
I
am
still
kind
of
concerned
about
in
the
last
time
we
talked
about
this.
D
I
remember
raising
the
point
about
wanting
to
have
some
level
level
of
demographic
information
in
these
case
summaries-
and
I
don't
see
any
demographic
information
in
this
case
summary
did
we
ever
come
to
a
conclusion
on
whether
or
not
that
was
shareable,
and
can
we
please
try
to
get
this
shareable
in
those
reports,
because
it's
really
hard
to
measure
disparate
impact.
When
you
can't
see
the
information
around
disparate
impact.
L
I
think
that
is
something
that
we
could.
We
could
look
into.
I
I
I
guess
I
don't
have
an
answer
for
you
right
now.
We
would
have
to
consult
with
our
leadership
in
our
team,
and
you
know
everyone
else
involved
when
it
comes
to
complainance
information.
D
Yeah
I
mean
I,
I
don't
know
how
the
rest
of
the
group
is,
but
I'm
I'm
officially
requesting.
I
would
love
to
have
all
demographic
information
and
every
single
one
of
these.
I
think
it
would
bring
some
measure
of
value
that
we
have
never
seen
before
to
these,
including
that
portal,
it
would
be
great
to
see
a
column
of
race,
age,
group,
gender.
D
D
That
would
be
the
subject
of
that
engagement,
so
it
could
be
a
family
member
who
makes
the
complaint,
but
I
don't
care
about
the
family
member
who
makes
a
complaint.
I
care
about
the
primary
subject
engaged
in
police
activity
that
caused
that.
F
I
would
yep,
I
would
just
add
commissioner
pinau.
I
can
answer
or
add
a
little
bit
to
that.
When
we
receive
complaints
we
don't
always
receive
that
information
and
as
it
as
demographics,
is
not
a
requirement
of
submitting
a
complaint,
and
so
there
may
be
times
where
an
anonymous
person
submits
a
complaint
and
we
might
not
have
demographics
about
the
complainant
per
se.
But
we
might
have
demographic
information
about
who
may
have
been
arrested
or
who
may
have
been
involved.
And
so
I
don't.
F
It
would
just
take
some
time
to
sort
out
how
we
clarify
to
public-facing
information,
why
certain
demographics
are
included
in
certain
cases
and
and
not
included
in
others,
and
so.
D
D
I
care
about
the
subject
of
the
police
report
and
I
may
be
making
an
assumption
here,
but
that
is
probably
going
to
be
more
consistent
than
someone
putting
in
their
own
information
on
a
complaint,
which
is
why
I'm
I'm
focused
on
it
and
the
only
reason
I
ask
this
is
because
in
other
dashboards,
that
information
is
clearly
coming
from
some
sort
of
police
report
and
that
information
is,
although
aggregated,
definitely
publicly
available,
and
I
even
demonstrated
in
our
last
meeting
that
you
can
render
it
down
to
a
single
individual
that
was
involved
in
police
use
of
force
and
their
demographic
information,
and
that's
publicly
possible
to
do
so
either.
K
One
thing
I'll
add
just
before
we
move
on
is
that
not
all
of
the
complaints
that
we
receive
have
a
police
report
or
have
body
camera
evidence
along
with
them,
so
that
would
just
be
one
barrier
there
to
collecting
total
demographic
information.
I
Abdi
you,
so
this
is
kind
of
me
just
thinking
out
loud,
but
about
this
process.
What
I'm
understanding
the
difference
is
is
like
it's
a
like
a
computer,
picking
out
the
case
files
instead
of
us
doing
it
personally
and
please
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
I'm
also
seeing
like
there's
missing
the.
Why
and
why.
I
The
whole
thing
happened
and
I
feel
like
that's
what
we
were
missing
before
of
what
was
the
explanation
of
the
decision
and
why
it
happened
in
the
first
place,
not
necessarily
that
it
was
like
difficult
to
understand
but,
like
we
didn't,
have
enough
information
to
go
off
of,
and
there
were
certain
sections
where
it
specified
what
supplemental
data
you
guys
had
or
documents
you
had.
Would
the
commission
have
access
to
that
stuff,
or
are
you
just
telling
the
commission
that
you
have
that
access
but
aren't
going
to
give
it
to
up?
I
L
I
believe
that
the
the
actual
substantive
documents
that
are
part
of
it
would
be
private
data,
something
like
the
city
tony
has
talked
about
before,
but
we
could.
We
could
certainly
look
at
the
amount
that
could
be
added
into
the
summaries
for
any
decision
making
that
those
decisions
are
made
outside
of
ocpr
by
the
civilian
review
panel
or
by
the
the
police
conduct
review
panel,
but
we
yep,
so
we
could
definitely
look
into
what
level
that
decision
making
is
is
available.
I
And-
and
I
don't
know
if
it's
going
to
be
like
word
for
word,
what
is
used
on
that
document,
but
I
think
there's
some
like
towards
the
like
case
outcome.
It
just
gave
like
a
quick
like
couple
word
sentences
on
what
the
reasoning
was.
Is
that
what
the
kind
of
verbiage
it
would
be,
or
is
that
just
an
example.
F
This
is
all
all
just
purely
an
example.
Okay,
we
went
looking
for
other
examples
that
other
agencies
are
doing
that
is
similar
to
this
and
the
examples
that
we
could
find
were
rather
lengthy,
and
so
just
for
the
purposes
of
this
demonstration,
we
chose
to
to
use
a
a
very
kind
of
simple
case
that
didn't
have
a
whole
lot
to
be
added.
So
I
just
would
like
to
reiterate
that
all
of
this
is
an
example.
F
The
examples
in
the
in
the
summary
proposal
of
categories
are
not
exhaustive,
they're,
just
limited
examples
of
what
might
fall
into
the
category,
so
everything
here
is
is
just
an
example.
B
Okay,
I
think
I
saw
commissioner
mcguire's
hand
first.
G
I
wanted
to
ask
about
the
nature
of
the
police
reports,
I'm
more
familiar
with
police
reports
when
a
civilian
is
charged
with.
You
know
some
criminal
under
a
criminal
statute,
and
sometimes
the
nature
of
what
is
public
can
change
over
time,
depending
on
where
an
investigation
is
so.
I'm
just
want
to
put
in
a
request.
G
I
don't
know
if
these
this
happens
with
the
police
reports
used
here,
that
we
have
the
most
recent
version
of
whatever
the
public
data
is
because
that
can
be
very
limited
at
certain
points
in
an
investigation
in
some
contexts
and
can
be
expansive
later
and
might
have
some
of
that
information
that
we
would
want
to.
C
Thank
you.
I
have
a
couple
suggestions
and
then
also
a
question.
So
one
suggestion
is,
I
support
commissioner
pino
saying
we
need
that
demographic
information,
that's
going
to
be
absolutely
essential.
C
Another
suggestion
is
including
what
the
discipline
matrix
says.
So
I
I
really
like
the
way
that
you
laid
out
not
the
ordinance,
but
I
guess
the
manual
provision
you
know
like
excessive
force
or
body
worn
camera
section
or
whatever,
I
think
that's
great,
and
then
I
think
the
next
step
would
be
discipline.
Matrix
range
is,
b
to
c
or
a
to
d
or
no
range
in
the
matrix
or
you
know
whatever
just
so.
We
kind
of
understand
where
it
is
in
the
matrix
and
and
and
then
whatever
the
chief's
decision
is.
C
Then
we
understand
if
the
chief's
decision
was
within
the
matrix
or
if
it
was
a
departure
from
the
matrix,
because
that
that's
kind
of
information
that
we
would
we
would
need
to
be
looking
at
another
suggestion
I
had
well
before
I
make
another
suggestion
I
I
should
have
started
by
saying
this
is
really
great
and
it's
1
million
times
better
than
what
we
had
before.
So
I
would
just
like
to
say
thank
you
so
much
for
this
and
it's
obviously
been
very.
C
I
can
tell
how
much
thought
and
effort
all
of
you
put
into
this
so
so
my
comments
are,
I
hope,
in
very
the
best
of
faith.
You
know
I
I'm
with
you.
This
is
great.
Let's,
let's
make
it
as
good
as
we
can
so
then.
My
my
next
suggestion
is,
since
we're
going
to
be
doing
this
as
an
aggregate,
and
you
all
will
be
putting
this
information
together
at
the
end
of
the
year
or
you
know
like
january
from
the
preceding
year.
C
That
would
be
private
data.
So
that
leads
me
to
the
question
I
have
for
for.
Well,
the
group-
or
I
don't
know
who
can
answer
this
question,
but
at
our
last
meeting
we
asked
the
chair
to
engage
council
and
the
city
attorney's
office
to
see
whether
council
intended
for
us
to
view
private
data.
C
I
think
we
need
to
know
the
answer
to
that
question,
because
that's
really
gonna
determine
everything.
You
know
this
process.
Our
policy
probably
is
gonna.
It
just
touches
everything,
so
I
think
we
need
to
understand
if
we
are
allowed
intended
by
the
council
to
view
private
data-
or,
I
should
say
non-public,.
I
And
I
just
wanted
to
just
jump
in
right
after
tuition
or
sarah
is
if
we
couldn't
get
the
police,
like
the
law
enforcement
officer's
information,
at
least
the
precinct,
so
that's
kind
of
just
better
than
nothing
to
see
like
at
least
what
kind
of
location
who's
going
to
be
targeted
the
most.
If
we
can't
know
the
officers
specifically.
B
I
I
would
like
to
add
something
to
that.
If
we
could,
just
if
it
would
make
things
simpler
and
and
more
in
line
with
the
the
data
privacy
stipulation,
we
could
just
have
like
just
number
the
officers.
The
number
with
the
the
highest
repeat,
complaints.
Then
the
number
two
officer
with
the
next
highest
number.
We
don't
necessarily
need
to
know
names,
because
you
guys
know
the
name
you
you
would
have
that
information
of
who
that
officer
is-
and
you
don't
necessarily
need
to
share
that
with
us.
B
B
So
that's
another
suggestion
that
I
would
make,
and
I
did
have
one
question
in
the
categories.
B
L
So,
under
the
ordinance
that
the
created,
opcr
and
kind
of
set
up
that
process,
the
jurisdiction
is
purely
sworn
employees
within
the
city
of
minneapolis
police
department,
so
oftentimes
there's
joint
operations
and
that
could
be
you
know
a
sheriff's
deputy
has
a
complaint
against
them
and
then
or
bloomington
police
or
you
know
when
other
agencies
operate
within
the
city.
B
E
Thank
you
first.
I
just
want
to
thank
our
presenters.
I
thought
this
was
a
really
great
presentation.
I
really
appreciated
the
samples.
I
really
appreciated
the
time
that
you
spent
walking
us
through
it.
I
can
tell
that
a
lot
of
thought
and
a
lot
of
effort
went
into
this
was
really
impressive
and
a
lot
of
good
considerations
for
what
we,
what
we
want
to
see
what
the
public
deserves
to
see
and
what
we
can
do.
So
thank
you
for
that.
E
I
really
mean
that
I
don't
have
any
of
my
own
suggestions
at
this
time,
but
I
do
want
to
if
it
means
anything
to
anyone
that
I
lend
my
voice
to
what
commissioner
pinau
was
saying
about
the
demographics
and
commissioner
thera
about
the
discipline
matrix
and
the
coaching.
I
think
that's
hugely
important
to
the
work
that
we've
been
doing
here.
Those
have
been
major
roadblocks
for
us
and
major
items
of
public
concern.
E
I
cannot,
I
don't
think
I
can
overstate
how
strongly
the
public
concern
is
about
those
those
three
items
and
it'll
be
really
good
to
try
and
find
some
kind
of
way
to
incorporate
that,
and
I
think
it's
I
think
it's
very
doable.
E
With
this
model
review
more
cases,
we
have
more
information,
that'll,
be
more
data
driven
and
maybe,
most
importantly,
it's
I
mean
a
million
times
more
accessible
to
the
public,
which
is
something
that
we've
really
been
struggling
with
and
really
pushing
for.
So
thank
you
for
that.
B
Right,
christopher.
L
L
L
So
it
doesn't
break
it
down
the
way,
so
you
mentioned
that
you
know
you'd
like
like
a
list
of
how
many
offices
are
catching
the
most
complaints,
I
think,
is
my
my
understanding,
but
you
can
search
offices
in
this
database
and
see
the
list
of
complaints
against
them.
B
Okay,
commissioner,
sarah.
C
Thanks
and
mr
band
I'm
familiar
with
that
that
dashboard-
and
there
are
some
limitations
with
it.
For
example,
if
a
complaint
is
sustained
with
coaching,
it
is
reported
on
that
dashboard
as
closed
no
discipline.
C
That's
really
what
we
need
to
know
and
that
dashboard
it
just
tells
us
that
they've
had
a
lot
of
complaints.
It
doesn't
tell
us
what
happened.
It
doesn't
tell
us
if
they've
received
coaching
several
times,
because
if
they
received
several
coaching
several
times,
even
if
it's
not
for
excessive
force,
even
it's
for,
like
whatever
body
camera
or
whatever.
C
B
Yes,
very
well
put
attorney
fussy.
Did
you
want
to
make
a
comment.
H
Yes,
thank
you.
I
just
wanted
to.
I
guess,
piggyback
on
what
commissioner
sarah
was
saying.
I
certainly
appreciate
and
understand
that
the
coaching
issue
is
important
and
or
important
to
the
commission,
as,
as
you
know,
however,
that
issue
is
in
pending
litigation
and,
depending
on
the
resolution
of
that
litigation
that
that
could
very
well
affect
what
could
can
and
cannot
be
provided,
and
obviously
the
city,
depending
on
the
resolution
of
that
action,
would
be
in
compliance
with
how
that
comes
up.
H
B
Okay,
all
right,
thank
you
just
wanted
to
make
sure
I
was
understanding
you
correctly.
This
has
been
a
great
presentation.
I
want
to
thank
all
three
of
you
for
the
intensive
work
that
you
have
put
into
this.
I'm
I'm
very
much
looking
forward
to
being
able
to
use
this
tool
that
you
have
created
and
and
just
made
stupendously
better
for
us.
Does
anyone
else
have
any
questions
or
any
other
comments.
B
Okay,
I've
lost
my
place:
okay
with
that
and
without
objection
I'll
direct
the
clerk
to
receive
and
file.
This
presentation
and
the
next
order
of
business
is
to
consider
adoption
of
the
recommended
process,
but
I
think
that
we
have
made
some
additional
suggestions,
so
maybe
you
guys
will
take
a
look
at
that
and
then
come
back
to
us
again
with
some
revisions
before
we
adopt
the
actual
process.
Is
the
body
in
agreement
with
that.
B
Okay,
so
do
I
need,
I
don't
need
to
necessarily
call
a
vote
or
ask
for
a
motion
for
that.
Do
I.
A
I
think
it
might
be
a
good
idea
to
just
make
a
motion
to
postpone
this
to
the
next
meeting
with
to
allow
staff
to
make
revisions
based
on
the
suggestions.
B
Okay,
would
a
commissioner
feel
able
to
make
that
motion.
D
B
H
E
A
Commissioner
sylvester,
oh
sorry,
chair
jackson,
aye,
there
are
seven
eyes.
B
Okay,
that
motion
passes,
so
we
will
send.
I
mean
we'll
direct
you
to
look
further
into
the
suggestions
that
we
made
and
come
back
at
our
september
meeting.
So
thank
you
and
our
next
order
of
business
is
to
consider
a
proposed
amendment
to
pcoc
operating
rule
10
to
allow
the
revised
process,
and
I
think
that
that
would
be
getting
ahead
of
ourselves
at
this
point.
Wouldn't
it
right:
okay,.
L
B
We'll
we'll
table
that
item
of
business
until
september
and
may
I
have
a
motion
to
table
that.
B
Second,
second
vote.
D
E
B
Okay,
that
motion
carries
thank
you
with
that.
We've
completed
all
the
items
on
our
agenda
for
this
meeting.
We
hustled
through
this.
Amazingly
with
all
that
information.
I'm
really
surprised
it
was
just
presented
so
well.
I
think
it
was
very
engaging
and
very
informative,
and
I
just
cannot
express
enough
thanks
that
you
are
undertaking
this
task
to
improve
our
processes,
that
that
the
pcoc
is
is
able
to
engage
in
the
oversight
that
that
we
should
be
and
in
the
ways
that
we
should
be,
that
make
it
effective.
B
So
I'll
see
everyone
back
here
next
month
for
september
14th,
regular
meeting
and
seeing
no
further
business
to
come
before
us
and
without
objection.
I
will
declare
this
meeting
adjourned.
Thank
you.
Everyone
and
good
night.