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From YouTube: May 20, 2021 HPC Retreat
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A
Yeah
yeah,
okay.
Well,
since
I
appear
to
be
the
person
who
has
the
camera
open
I'll
say
this
is
the
thursday
may
20th
2021
heritage
preservation,
commission
retreat
and
we're
I
apologize.
I
did
not
think
to
have
a
script
for
this,
so
we're
meeting
based
on
remote
participation,
digital
declared,
local
health
pandemic
and
I'll
do
a
roll
call
so
that
we
can
verify
presence
of
a
quorum
and
then
I'll
turn
it
over
to
andrea
burke,
who
is
the
historic
preservation
supervisor
so
with
that
maureen
bjornberg
here,
ethan
bootie.
B
C
A
D
A
D
A
D
We
have
new
commissioners
and
it's
good
to
hear
just
you
know
brief
background
from
everyone
kind
of
what
they're.
You
know
why
why
they're
here-
and
I
know
the
commissioners
have
been
here-
have
done
this
every
single
time
and
you've
probably
heard
all
of
your
stories.
So
it's
up
to
you
for
how
much
background,
at
least
for
some
of
our
longer
standing
commissioners
you
want
to
give
in
terms
of
your.
You
know
brief
intro,
and
then
I
you
know
would
just
call
on
some
of
the
newer
commissioners.
Specifically.
D
You
know,
commissioner
booty
commissioner
nystrom
and
commissioner
strothers
if
they
want
to
give
a
couple
extra
sentences,
they
are
have
joined
us
as
recently
as
this
winter,
and
you
know
the
first
time
we're
kind
of
all
sort
of
informally
talking.
But
you
know,
and
then
after
that
I
figure
I
will
just.
D
I
did
a
longer
introductions,
because
I
wanted
to
give
some
updates
that
staff
has
been
working
on
since
august
of
2020
and
just
some
other
things
that
are
happening
right
now,
as
things
are
changing
again
rapidly,
but
I
can
go
first.
Obviously
you
guys
mostly
know
who
I
am
and
I'm
andrea
burke
and
I'm
the
supervisor
for
this
team.
D
Probably
I
don't
know
two
and
a
half
years
ago,
and
so
we
have,
you
know,
created
this
team,
which
is
great
and
the
first
you
know
update
I'll
give
and
just
since
we're
on
the
topic
of
me
at
the
moment,
we
are
now
just
a
team
of
three
myself
and
then
john
and
rob
who
are
also
on
this
call.
Sheila
vemmer
is
no
longer
with
us
as
of
last
october,
so
we
are
working
on
trying
to
rehire
in
that
position.
D
It
is
not
looking
like
it
will
be
until
2022,
but
you
will
see
our
three
familiar
faces
more
frequently,
as
you
mostly
usually
see
mine
at
each
of
the
meetings,
except
as
you
probably
caught
in
an
email
that
I
sent,
I
will
be
going
on
maternity
leave
in
early
to
mid-august.
Sometime
at
that
point,
I'm
having
my
second
child
and
we'll
be
out
for
a
pretty
much.
You
know
standard
three
months:
12
weeks
have
not.
D
I
was
hoping
to
have
more
of
a
plan
by
the
time
we
had
this
retreat
and
I
don't
due
to
some
other
things
that
are
happening,
but
I
will
leave
you
in
good
hands
and
we
will
have
something
in
place
for
you
to.
You
know,
to
reach
out
to
questions
and
and
try
to
keep.
You
know
the
the
group
going
as
much
as
we
can,
but
you
know
john
and
rob
are
great
resources
and
it
may
be
kimberly
that
may
be
running
meetings.
D
It
may
be
an
alternate,
but
I
have
not
plotted
that
out
yet,
but
I
did
want
to
just
make
that
known,
and
I
guess
with
that,
what
I'll
probably
do
is.
I
just
will
go
around
and
call
on
the
names
that
I
see,
because
I've
got
all
the
names
kind
of
in
front
of
me
and
if
you
want
to
just
give
a
little
quick
intro,
we
can
kind
of
just
reintroduce
ourselves
virtually
mostly
to
some
of
our
new
commissioners.
So
I
will
start
with
murray.
E
I
knew
I
was
going
to
be
first
all
right,
so
I
am
marie
bjornberg
and
I
joined
the
commission
like
right
when
the
pandemic
started,
so
I've
actually
never
been
to
a
in-person
meeting.
Before
my
background,
I
grew
up
in
minneapolis
and
then
I
went
to
the
u
of
m
and
got
my
undergrad
in
architecture
and
then
got
my
master's
in
heritage
preservation
from
the?
U
also
and
then
sort
of
straight
straight
out
of
school.
E
I
started
working
as
a
project
manager
for
the
minnesota
historical
society,
and
I
am
now
actually
officially,
as
of
this
week,
the
capital
planning
manager
over
there
in
the
facilities
and
risk
management.
So
lately
I
have
been
project
managing
the
historic,
fort
snelling
revitalization
project,
so
that
has
been
a
great
experience
and
I've
really
enjoyed
being
on
the
hpc.
Although
I
will
say
I
am
also
looking
forward
to
in-person
meetings
and
getting
to
see
everybody's
faces
and
reactions.
F
Hi
everyone,
I'm
ethan,
bootie
a
little
background
about
myself,
so
I'm
originally
from
columbia,
missouri
and
I
moved
to
minnesota
about
10
years
ago
now
for
college,
I'm
a
graduate
of
st
olaf
and
my
background.
There
was
an
art
history
and
moved
to
minneapolis
shortly
after
graduating
and
did
a
year
of
americorps
service
with
a
local
nonprofit
here
called
rebuilding
together
and
then
eventually
went
on
to
my
masters
in
historic
preservation
at
columbia,
out
east.
So
my
background's
in
historic
preservation.
F
I
I've
been
working
at
rethos,
which
is
the
formerly
the
preservation
alliance
of
minnesota
since
2019.
So
I'm
coming
up
on
two
years
here
and
I'm
the
real
estate
manager,
which
we
mostly
do
work
with
loans
to
projects
using
state
historic
tax
credits
which
now
spans
over
five
states,
and
I'm
really
excited
to
work
there
and
be
a
part
of
another
great
preservation,
nonprofit
and
happy
to
join
the
commission.
G
F
G
Of
minneapolis
and
went
and
got
my
undergrad
in
art
history
at
mcallister,
and
then
I
went
to
do
restoration
and
preservation
work
abroad.
I
did
some
work
in
italy
and
then
some
in
israel
and
then
decided
to
get
my
master's
in
historic
preservation.
I
did
the
same
program
that
marie
did
at
the?
U
and
I
currently
work
at
dominium,
more
on
the
financial
planning
analysis
side,
but
obviously
they're
very
involved
at
fort
selling
as
they're
working
on
the
upper
post.
G
G
I
just
saw
my
own
team
from
work
last
night
for
the
first
time
in
person,
and
I
have
to
say
it
was
very
nice
to
see
people
face
to
face,
so
I'm
excited
and
I'm
really
excited
to
be
a
part
of
the
heritage,
preservation,
commission
and
looking
forward
to
when
we
get
to
see
each
other
in
person
and
my
dog
almost
always
attends
when
he's
on
my
lap.
In
a
virtual
meeting,
so
if
anyone's.
H
Hello,
barbara
howard,
I've
been
on
the
commission
for
four
years.
I
think
2017
does
that
make
four
years.
I
think
so
and
I
blame
jenny,
lakovic
who's,
a
previous
commission
member
who
begged
me
to
apply
after
I
left
the
shippo
in
minnesota
my
background,
I'm
trained
in
architecture
from
iowa
state
university
but
never
became
an
architect.
I
ended
up
in
the
preservation
field.
I
too
have
a
graduate
degree
from
columbia
university
in
new
york
city,
but
I've
been
working
in
shippo's
for
the
last
15
years.
H
All
until
five
years
ago
I
was
in
shippo's,
I
was
in
the
iowa
shippo
and
the
minnesota
shippo,
and
now
I
am
working
part-time
for
the
dot
in
their
cultural
resources
unit,
and
I
am
running
my
own
business.
Stonebridge
learning
and
I
just
joined
the
training
team
for
the
national
alliance
of
preservation
commissions
for
their
camp
training.
I
Hi,
I'm
ian
steady.
I
I've
been
involved
with
history
for
a
long
time.
I
was
a
tour
guide
at
the
sibley
house,
historic
site.
When
I
was
in
college,
when
I
was
in
library
school,
I
worked
at
the
wisconsin
historical
society.
I
did
some
of
the
archival
track
that
got
me
into
local
history
work
at
the
special
collections
at
the
hennepin
county
library
and
got
to
know
some
folks
that
work
in
this
this
field
and
got
really
interested
in
it.
I
J
Hopefully,
you
shall
know
me,
I'm
I'm
rob
scalecki.
I've
been
here
for
almost
two
years
now,
although
you've
probably
all
seen
me
for
a
little
over
a
year
when
I
started
bringing
projects
in
front
of
you,
I've,
let's
see,
I
have
two
bachelor's
degrees
from
iowa
state
university
in
history
and
sociology.
J
I
went
to
the
university
of
minnesota
and
got
a
master's
in
heritage
studies
in
public
history
in
their
historic
preservation
section.
I've
worked
for
the
minnesota
shippo,
the
national
park
service
preservation,
alliance
of
minnesota
yeah,
and
then
I
came
here
so
most
of
you
are
probably
pretty
familiar
with
with
seeing
me.
D
K
L
L
I'm
not
sure
provided
me
a
connection
to
historic
preservation
in
a
totally
different
way.
I
really
appreciate
the
opportunity
I
have
my
educational
background
is
my
undergrad
is
in
real
estate
finance
and
architecture,
and
then
I
have
a
master's
degree
in
historic
preservation,
but
professionally.
Currently,
I
I
work
as
a
real
estate
developer
for
shaffer
richardson
and
I
specialize
in
affordable
housing,
so
I
have
yet
in
my
professional
career
to
get
the
opportunity
to
work
on
a
preservation
deal.
L
However,
that's
always
been
a
goal
of
mine,
but
it's
where
serving
in
the
hpc
is
so
great
having
the
opportunity
to
talk
about
historic
preservation
with
all
of
you,
fine
folks,
so
appreciate
it
glad
to
be
here.
I
really
always
enjoy
these
retreats.
So
thanks
for
organizing
andrea,
thank
you
you're.
M
M
I
did
my
undergrad
at
smith
college
and
moved
here
for
graduate
school,
so
I
went
to
the
u
of
m.
I
got
my
master's
in
architecture
as
well
as
my
masters
in
heritage
preservation,
and
then
I
got
a
job
as
a
historic
architect
at
mcdonald
and
mac
architects,
which
is
why
I
stayed
here
so
you
will
see
as
the
meetings
go
on
for
our
new
commissioners.
I
recuse
myself
on
a
lot
of
items.
M
So
that's
what
I
abstain
from
voting,
because
any
projects
that
are
like
related
to
my
firm
or
a
client
or
something
I've
stayed
on
so
you'll.
Just
you'll
see
that
a
lot
as
we
keep
going.
I've
been
on
the
hpc
since
2017
same
time
as
barbara-
and
this
is
I
guess
my
second
year
as
chair,
but
I
think
the
first
meeting
I
became
chair
was
the
first
meeting
we
did
virtually
with
the
pandemic.
So
I've,
like
really
only
I
think,
chaired
in
this
strange
virtual
world.
M
N
N
N
N
O
I
was
a
history
major
at
carleton
college
many
years
ago
and
I
have
lived
in
the
what
is
now
the
lindhurst
historical
district
for
40
years
and
have
had
an
interest
in
history
all
of
this
time
working
and
attending
and
belonging
to
the
minnesota
historical
society,
the
hennepin
history,
museum,
the
lyndon
hills,
history,
group
and
the
wyzeta
historical
society.
So
I've
kept
my
my
interest
in
history
in
those
areas,
but
I'm
really
looking
forward
to
working
with
all
of
you
on
these
issues.
O
My
professional
background
is
that
I
am
just
a
newly
retired
healthcare
and
non-profit
lawyer.
I
worked
for
45
years
representing
healthcare
clients
and
a
lot
of
nonprofits,
most
of
which
were
also
in
the
healthcare
area,
so
I'm
kind
of
interested
in
process
and
how
things
get
done
so
that
may
have
some
relevance
to
what
the
hpc
does
and
I'm
very
much
looking
forward
to
working
with.
All
of
you.
D
Thank
you
margo.
I
think
that
is
pretty
much
everyone
and
if
I
forgot
somebody
please
speak
up
now,
I
don't
think
so.
I
think
I
get
everyone,
so
I
wanted
to
with
that.
Once
again,
you
guys
thank
you
very
much
for
spending
your
thursday
starting
at
three.
I
know
you
all
have
jobs
and
lives,
so
I
appreciate
it
just
a
couple
updates
on
some
of
the
stuff
we've
been
working
on
since
august
of
last
year
throughout
the
last
year.
D
D
We
took
a
took
a
stab
at
it
and
john's
working
on
revising
them
in
his
time,
and
then
I
think
our
plan,
for
that
is,
is
that
we
will
bring
them
forward
first,
maybe
as
a
discussion
item
just
to
get
give
some
time,
take
a
look
at
them
before
actually
voting
on
them,
and
I
think
john
we
gotta
send
them
to
shippo
for
60
days.
First,
probably
right.
K
D
D
Very
few
actually
come
through
to
the
commission,
and
I
think,
based
on
your
comments,
you
are
interested
in
seeing
fewer
of
them
come
through
the
commission,
so
we're
kind
of
tweaking
them
to
that.
But
I'm
calling
them
sign
guidelines
2.0,
but
so
just
keep
that
out.
In
the
back
your
mind,
you'll
see
it
lindhurst
design
guidelines.
Those
are
almost
done
you'll,
be
I
have
to
send
them
to
shippo.
D
The
consultant
is
giving
me
giving
me
almost
the
final
draft
we've
been
holding
some
residents
community
meetings,
as
well
as
some
small
work
group
meetings
that
madeleine
and
ian
have
participated
in.
Thank
you
for
doing
that,
and
you
know
we've
gotten
some
feedback
and
I
you
know
we'll
see
how
it
goes.
I
think
we've
got
something
we
can
carry
forward.
I've
got
to
take
a
look
at
the
final
draft
here
before
I
send
them
to
shippo.
I
don't
think
they
will
by
the
time
I
get
it
back
from
chipotle.
I
don't
think
it'll.
D
Be
me
bringing
it
to
you
possibly
if
I
can
get
this
done
very
quickly
and
get
it
to.
I
might
still
be
here
by
the
time
we
bring
them
through,
but
they'll
come
through
you
for
for
adoption.
After
shippo
has
a
chance
to
look
at
them
for
for
60
days.
You
know,
and
the
residents
played
a
part
in
it.
I
don't
think
they're
going
to
be
100
on
board
with
it.
D
You
know
and
the
way
I
sort
of
described
it
in
some
of
the
meetings
was,
you
know
not
everybody's
going
to
get
what
they
want
with
these,
including
us,
including
the
residents,
and
if
we
can
find
a
you
know,
a
unhappy
medium,
maybe
or
happy
medium.
We've,
we've
done
a
good
job,
so
that
will
be
coming
through.
We
did
win
a
legacy
grant
for
a
property
that
was
put
under
interim
protection
back
in
february,
the
4501
hiawatha
avenue,
which
is
the
former
fire
station
24..
D
We
did
get
award
of
that
back
in
march,
and
so
we
actually
have
that
out
for
rfp
right
now
to
hire
a
consultant
to
put
together
the
study
for
that,
so
that
will
eventually
be
coming
through
after
we
study
that
and
get
a
final
report
back
from
a
consultant
once
we
pick
a
consultant,
but
that
was
an
update
on
that.
So
we're
very
happy
to
get
a
legacy
grant
on
that.
D
D
We
haven't
gotten
to
the
point
of
bringing
it
forward
for
nomination
yet,
but
you'll
you'll
see
these
just
to
give
you
an
idea
of
some
of
the
stuff
that
that
will
be
coming
through,
but
not
giving
you
enough
information
to
actually
vote
on
or
anything
right
now,
the
national
trust
grant.
This
has
been
a
little
slow
going
and
I
will
confess
this
is
my
deal.
We
do
have
part
of
the
money
for
this.
D
On
doing
that,
I
mean
this
will
be
done
before
I
go
out
in
a
few
months.
So
and
then
you
know
I'll
be
handing
it
off.
I
think,
as
some
of
these
community
engagement
meetings
are
happening
to
you
know,
to
staff
and
to
to
rob
and
john
and
some
others
too,
to
kind
of
help,
while
I'm
out,
but
that's
just
kind
of
on
the
horizon,
we
did
finish
up.
D
D
We
didn't
know
about
it,
so
it
is
up
there,
but
you
know
it's
my
goal
to
get
more
things
up
on
the
web
and
and
helping
that
it's
right
now,
it's
just
not
at
the
top
of
the
list,
but
if
anybody,
I
think
I
had
this
as
a
discussion
line,
but
if
anybody
wants
to
know
more
see,
I
can
always
direct
you
to
the
link.
It's
almost
400
300
pages
400
pages,
but
it
provides
a
really
good.
D
You
know
context
background
for
beginning
to
scratch
the
surface
and
start
handling
some
of
these
resources
that
are
reaching
50
years
of
age
and
seem
to
be
a
very
hot
topic.
You've
seen
several
resources
before
you
for
demolitions
that
have
seemed
to
have
garnered
a
lot
of
attention
largely
being
in
the
downtown
area,
but
we're
hoping
you
know
to
build
off
of
this
context,
study
in
the
future
when
we
have
more
resources,
but
I
just
wanted
to
make
a
mention
of
that.
D
D
We
seem
to
be
running
into
a
lot
of
sticky
issues
with
interpretation
on
some
of
the
way
those
guidelines
are
worded
and
it's
something
happened
recently.
I
can't
remember
what
it
was
rob
probably
knows
or
john
knows
that
made
us
kind
of
prompt
to
go
down
this
road
and
I
think
we're
john.
I
know
you
have,
can
you
give
me
a
or
can
you
give
the
commission
a
really
quick
update
on
where
we
are
with
that
clg
grant?
I
think
we've
been
partially
awarded.
Is
that
right.
K
Verbally,
yes,
but
we
have
not
received
official
notification
so,
and
you
know
up
front,
we,
you
know
tried
to
work
closely
with
shippo
to
identify
whether
the
focus
of
the
grant
should
be.
You
know,
jumping
right
into
the
design
guidelines
or
trying
to
update
our
inventory
of
contributing
and
non-contributing
properties.
It's
an
interesting
district
in
that
it
is
certified
for
tax
credit
applications
and
it
was
certified
over
30
years
ago,
but
the
certification
documentation
was
very
minimal
and,
after
our
pre-application
focused
on
design
guidelines
in
the
end
we
opted
to
go
with.
K
You
know,
developing
an
inventory
of
contributing
and
non-contributing
properties.
In
this
you
know
very
large
district
that
is,
is
certainly
challenged
in
terms
of
a
lot
of
the
property
owners
and
their
ability
to
maintain
those
structures.
So,
but
we've
received
verbal
word
that
we
will
be
getting
the
grant
and
we
look
forward
to
giving
you
updates
on
that
and
hiring
a
consultant
to
get
that
work
done
to
make
this.
You
know
large
district
preservation
in
this
large
district,
a
bit
more
transparent
for
property
owners,
especially
those
who
have
the
wherewithal
to
apply.
D
D
I
can't
remember
I
think
I
one
of
these
times
over
the
last
year
I've
updated
you
on
it.
The
council
member
has
opted
to
wait
initially.
You
know
we
had
voted
on
this
or
you
had
voted
on
this
probably
a
week
or
two
before
the
war
kind
of
shut
down
and
changed,
and
we
went
to
virtual
meetings
and
the
council
member
had
desires
to
wait
till
it
was
in
person
again
and
there's
a
lot
of
politics
involved.
D
D
N
D
Among
the
big
things
we
always
kind
of
have
little
things
that
come
up
along
the
way,
but
for
big
projects,
that's
what
we
have
going
on
right
now.
So
I
wanted
to
just
give
an
update
and
look
at
that.
I'm
like
3
36,
I'm
right
on
time.
Does
anybody
have
any
questions
about
that
about
any
of
those
updates
that
I've
given.
D
All
right
housekeeping-
I
I
I
want
to
try
to
you-
know
get
this
to
a
point.
I
think
it's
good
just
going
over
some
of
the
legality
stuff.
I
know
we
went
over
it
in
detail
at
the
last
retreat
and
I
don't
have
any
intention
of
doing
that
again
here,
but
just
giving
a
quick
refresher
on
the
legality-
and
you
know,
duties
of
the
hpc
and
staff.
D
Just
you
know
with
some
new
commissioners,
even
though
I've
I've
kind
of
incorporated
this
into
the
training
now
that
we
in
orientation
we
give
new
commissioners,
but
I
wanted
to
just
give
a
really
quick
overview
of
it
again,
so
it
just
stays
fresh
in
everyone's
minds.
As
we
go
into
another
kind
of
six-month
cycle
of
hpc.
D
D
D
Clg
status,
which
is
certified
local
government,
enables
us,
as
the
local
government,
to
apply
for
federal
matching
grants
such
as
the
clg
grant
program
that
john
just
talked
about
to
preserve
historic
properties,
and
it
encourages
you
know
the
integration
of
historic
preservation
into
local
government
policy.
It
kind
of
gives
us.
You
know
it's
an
incentive
in
a
way,
clg
responsibilities.
Minneapolis
is
a
clg
certified
local
government.
D
D
We
ex
play
an
expanded
role
in
nominating
properties
to
the
national
register.
So
for
some
of
you,
newer
commissioners
you'll
see
us
bring
items
through
that
aren't
quite
land
use
applications.
They're
national
register
nominations
that
we
make
a
formal
recommendation
on
back
to
the
state
historic
preservation
office
and
we
perform
other
agreed-upon
functions.
D
You
know
delegated
by
the
state
historic
preservation
office,
I'm
not
going
to
you
know,
go
whole
much
into
open
meeting
laws
other
than
to
just
say
you
know
their
open
meeting
laws
are
the
laws
in
each
state
that
govern
public
access
to
governmental
meetings.
The
the
big
points
of
it
are
that
everything
we're
doing
is
transparent.
D
That's
pretty
much
the
gist
of
it
and,
as
I've
mentioned
to
you
know
when
the
special
group
of
all
of
you
get
together
and
when
we
have
quorum
sort
of
dictates.
When
these
open
meeting
laws,
you
know
kind
of
get
triggered
and-
and
I
think
everybody
you
know
since
kind
of
the
last
training-
has
done
a
great
job
of
being
conscious
of
that
and
making
note
of
when
we
reach
out
and
talk
about
stuff-
and
I
appreciate
I
appreciate
that
a
lot
so
thank
you,
legislative
versus
quasi-judicial
decisions.
D
This
is
always
one
that
I
feel
like
it
takes
several
hits
to
get
into
the
brain
and
to
to
be
able
to
process
it,
but
it
makes
a
big
deal
in
in
what
we
do
and
the
the
certain
applications
and
decisions
and
the
types
of
recommendations
that
are
made.
But
a
legislative
decision
is
one:
that's
a
policy
decision
adopted
by
the
policy
makers
and
in
the
city
of
minneapolis.
That's
the
city
council.
D
D
You
may
see
some
more
of
that,
but
I
think
we'll
have
a
better
understanding
where
we'll
probably
have
a
public
hearing
at
hpc
versus
the
way.
This
last
one
went
where
it's
gonna
happen
at
biz,
like
I
said,
relearning
relearning
some
stuff
here,
but
the
hbc's
role
is
on
a
legislative
decision
is
that
they
can
review,
discuss
and
recommend.
D
But
the
final
decision
is
by
the
city
council,
so
for
an
ordinance
change
or
a
designation.
Your
power
is
is
just
strictly
to
recommend,
review
and
recommend
quasi
judicial.
Now
this
is
where
the
proceeding
is
conducted
by
the
officials.
That's
similar
to
a
court
proceeding
and
it's
you
know,
hearing
that's
why
we
have
public
hearings.
A
court
may
review
decision
arising
from
a
quasi-judicial
proceeding
and
the
quasi-judicial
power
refers
to
the
power
vested
into
the
commissions
established
by
law
to
determine
the
rights
of
those
who
appear
before
it.
D
I
don't
see
it
as
a
ding
on
the
commission,
it's
just
it's
it's
a
right
out
there
and
we
always
tell
applicants
if
you
don't.
If
you're
unhappy
with
your
outcome,
you
have
the
right
to
an
appeal
and
and
go
ahead
and
do
your
appeal
and
in
some
cases
the
council
will
overturn
hpc
and
in
other
cases
they
don't
and
that's
there's
you
know
I
I
can't
predict
kind
of
which
way
it's
going
to
go
in
some
cases.
D
I
try
and
play
my
hand
at
tarot
cards,
but
I
don't
always
win
the
big
things
about
requirements
and
a
quasi-judicial
proceeding
is
that
you're,
consistent
with
your
recommendations,
which
are
based
on
sound
findings
effect,
and
I
think
you
all
are
doing
great
with
when
you
go
to
overturn
a
staff
recommendation
making
findings.
I
appreciate
it
a
lot
you
know
following
and
applying
the
standards
and
guidelines
consistently
across
projects.
As
best
you
can.
D
D
I
know
you've
heard
this
a
lot,
but
ex
parte
communications
are
discussing
matters
not
on
the
record
without
the
other
side
present
no
private
discussions,
no
discussing
matters
on
social
media.
You
know
you
are
the
judge,
the
jury
you
are
to.
He
be
there
and
to
wait
till
everyone's
there
to
hear
all
the
information
at
once
and
then
to
to
make
your
decision
and
it's
to
be
fair.
You
know,
and
we
all
have
a
degree
of
pre-judgment,
especially
when
you
probably
read
these
a
week
in
advance
or
a
couple
days.
D
A
couple
hours
couple
minutes
in
advance
of
the
meeting.
You
know
us
too,
as
staff.
I
think
we
struggle
with
certain
projects
that
we
feel
particularly
close
to
and
are
trying
to
make.
You
know,
apply
the
guidelines
as
objectively
as
possible
and
try
not
to
let
our
get
our
personal
feelings
about
what
might
be
happening,
get
in
the
way,
and
it's
tough.
D
The
city
should
take
care
to
differentiate
between
the
quantity
and
the
quality
of
neighborhood
concerns,
and
now
that
they're
not
valid
often
neighbors
can
raise
very
real
and
legitimate
concerns.
We
had
a
very
interesting
one,
two
nights
ago,
which
I
was
a
little
floored
by,
but
you
know
what
it
sparked
an
interesting
discussion.
D
Neighbors
often,
you
know
provide
important
facts
relevant
to
a
decision
and
the
facts
you
know
should
speak
directly
to
one
or
more
of
the
required
standards
in
the
code
or
the
guidelines
for
a
particular
application.
You
know
or
issue
but
unsubstantiated
opinions
and
reactions
to
a
proposal
do
not
form
a
legitimate
basis
for
denial,
and
why
is
all
this?
Why
do
we
do
all
this
stuff?
D
D
D
H
Andrea,
this
is
barbara.
I
just
wanted
to
thank
you
for
giving
us
updates
on
when
things
have
been
appealed,
that's
something
that
didn't
happen
previously
in
any
kind
of
regular
fashion
and
it
it
helps
to
know
when
things
are
going
forward
and
what
they're
going
forward
about,
and
I
also
wanted
to
mention
in
relation
to
our
discussion,
the
other
night.
H
You
know
I
didn't
expect
things
to
go
the
the
comments
to
be
raised
that
they
that
they
did
raise
at
our
meeting,
but
the
more
that
you
could
put
designation
studies
up
online
once
the
website
gets
figured
out
the
better
because
had
I
realized
that
there
might
be
concerns
about
that
cfa.
I
would
have
tried
to
go,
find
the
designation
study
so
that
I
could
read
how
it
was
originally
written.
H
I
love
the
staff
summaries,
there's
usually
enough
information
in
the
staff
summary
to
give
me
enough
knowledge
to
know
how
to
talk
about
a
cfa,
but
sometimes
when
you
can
tell
that
there's
something
about
to
go
a
little
crazy.
It
doesn't
hurt
to
have
the
designation
study
before
you,
so
you
can
look
at
that.
D
No
thank
you
and
just
a
quick
side
note
without
trying
to
throw
any
shade
stuff,
you
know
changes
happen,
things
get
lost.
We
were
not
entirely
aware
that
the
website
we
knew
the
website
was
going
to
be
overhauled
at
some
time.
We
were
entirely
aware
and
then,
when
it
did
happen,
things
kind
of
ended
up
in
funny
places
and
then
a
number
of
other
items
got
deleted,
we're
working
on
fixing
it
and
trying
to
get
some
of
that
stuff
back
up
on
the
web.
D
H
D
Sure,
and
if
you,
if
you
guys,
do
go
to
the
website
you're
like
oh,
where
did
this
go,
we're
working
on
it
yeah
I
had
the
same
reaction,
but
it's
fine,
you
know.
Sometimes
you
got
to
just
move
forward
and
make
decisions,
and
you
can't
wait
for
the
rest
of
the
stuff
to
happen.
So
that's
a
little
thing
on
background
on
the
the
website
changes,
but
thank
you
for
that
feedback.
Yes,
I
will.
D
D
B
N
Talk
about
it
for
the
last
two
years,
I've
been
volunteering
to
help
with
the
minneapolis
preservation
awards
and
they're,
co-sponsored
with
aia,
minneapolis
and
preservament
preserve
minneapolis
and
so
as
kind
of
co-sponsors.
We
have
a
commissioner
sit
in
on
the
organizing
committee,
so
we
organize
the
event
and
the
awards,
and
then
we
organize
the
you
know.
N
The
planning
planning
committee
also
organizes
for
the
jury,
to
juror
the
nominations
and
to
make
selections
for
awards,
and
I
kind
of
wanted
to
talk
about
a
couple
of
things,
because
it
came
up
this
year
that
there
was
one
of
the
nominations
was
not
exactly
happy
about
the
fact
that
they
weren't
selected
for
an
award,
and
I
think
there
were
some
comments
made
on
some
social
media,
about
the
preservation
awards
and
the
fairness
of
the
process.
And
all
of
all
of
that.
So
I
kind
of
wanted
to
to
give
a
report.
N
And
let
everybody
know
that
that
was
an
issue
and
that
the
committee
discussed
afterwards
and
in
kind
of
a
debrief
that
we
do
with
the
planning
committee
that
next
year
we're
going
to
try
and
make
it
more
clear.
How
many
awards
will
be
awarded
in
each
category
and
also
to
make
the
kind
of
the
submission
requirements
a
little
more
clear,
because
I
think
there's
been
some
vagueness
in
the
submission
process
about
what
materials
will
be
considered,
how
many
materials
are
appropriate
and
what
kinds
of
materials
can
be
submitted.
N
So
I
think
there's
been
kind
of
some
vagueness
there
that's
going
to
be
cleared
up,
so
I
I'm.
I
know
that
the
committee
is
trying
to
resolve
some
of
the
issues
that
are
seen
as
being
unfair,
but
I
wanted
to
know
a
little
bit
about
the
history
and
how
the
kind
of
current
commission
feels
about
us
being
involved
in
a
in
an
award
giving.
L
Yeah
can
really
I
I
don't
have
a
lot
of
that
background,
but
I
I've
been
involved
with
preserve
minneapolis
and
from
a
volunteer
perspective
for
11
years
now.
So
I
was
on
one
of
the
early
planning
committees
for
the
preservation
awards
many
years
ago,
and
my
understanding
was
that
it
was
it
had
started
and
I
could
be
completely
wrong.
L
That
gets
the
closest
to
a
lot
of
these
projects,
whereas,
like
aia,
minnesota
and
preserve
minneapolis
might
not
not
have
access
to
the
projects
in
the
same
way,
but
I
don't
think
that
the
intent
when
I
was
on
the
planning
committee,
like
I
said
several
years
ago,
I
don't
think
the
intent
was
that
the
hpc
was
heavily
involved
in
planning
or
any
of
that
stuff
it
was.
It
was
more
that
the
hpc
was
just
there
as
another
body
of
doing
work
in
this
preservation
field.
L
L
I
think
that
makes
sense
for
us
to
be
a
part
of,
but
yeah
like
this
should
be
primarily
led
by
private
organizations
like
preserve
minneapolis
and
ea
and
minnesota,
in
my
opinion,
so
see
if
any
other
commissioners
have
some
thoughts
to
weigh
in.
But
that's
that's
the
only
amount
of
background
that
I
have
on
it.
I
B
H
H
E
Yeah,
I
will
just
jump
in
and
say
that
as
the
person
who
helped
like
judge
some
of
those,
I
definitely
felt
like
we
brought
value
to
that
jury
and
so
like.
I
would
advocate
for
still
having
some
like
minimal
involvement
right
having,
especially
because
it
felt
like
there
was
that
one
project
that
we
were
like
did
this
even
go
through,
and
I
felt
like
that
would
have
gotten
really
murky
if
they'd
gotten
an
award
without
having
been
reviewed.
N
I
talked
with
the
other
committee,
organizing
committee
members
about
being
more
specific
about
the
requirements
and
being
more
transparent
about
how
many
awards
are
given
in
each
category,
because
I
feel
like
that
would
eliminate
some
of
the
perceived
favoritism
that
might
be
happening
behind
the
scenes.
I
agree
that
sitting
on
the
jury,
you
know
if
we're
going
to
be
involved
at
all.
I
think
sitting
on
the
jury
is
a
helpful
role
for
us.
We
can
definitely
provide
feedback
and,
like
murray
alluded
to
one
of
the
things
that
I
did
was.
N
I
double
checked
that
all
of
the
properties
that
were
nominated
had
gone
through
the
proper
kind
of
review
channels
and
that
and
that
we
didn't
have
historic
properties
that
were
doing
work
on
them.
You
know
without
being
properly
reviewed
either
by
our
staff
or
coming
in
front
of
the
commission,
so
I
think
there's
some
things
there.
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
that
everybody
knew
what
was
going
on
and
that
everybody
was
kind
of
in
support
of
this
effort.
D
D
I
don't
remember
I
used
to
coordinate
stuff
for
this
back
in
like
2002.,
and
we
used
to
do
fancy
lunches
and
all
that
other
stuff,
but
then
yeah
it
transitioned
more
to
be,
you
know
less
city
and
I
think
you
know
run
which
I
think
it
helps,
because
it
puts
us
in
a
weird
position,
the
ones
that
we're
saying
yes
and
no
to
applications,
but
then
we're
also
like
recommending
them.
I
don't
think
we
should
be
doing
that.
D
I
mean
I
think
it's
okay,
to
sit
on
the
jury
and
to
and
to
vote
and
to
provide
some
feedback,
especially
in
your
one
case,
murray
of
like
oh,
this
would
have
been
weird
if
this
didn't
even
come
through
for
review
and
they
got
an
award.
That
type
of
feedback
is
good
and
I
do
know
more
backstory
on
the
the
troublesome
in
issue.
That
happened,
and
I
will
just
say
this-
was
none
of
your
faults.
D
M
M
As
barbara
said,
we
sometimes
have
a
not
a
great
perception
of
what
we
do
and
that
I,
I
guess
I
viewed
as
sort
of
like
community
outreach
in
a
way
it's
a
type
of
community
engagement,
even
if
it's
mostly
within
the
architectural
community.
I
think
that's
still
important,
since
we
know
plenty
of
architects,
don't
really
understand
how
the
hpc
works,
and
so
I
guess
I
would
be
supportive
of
the
hpc
continuing,
especially
I
think
as
a
as
jury
members.
But
since
I
personally
have
zero
involvement,
I
don't.
M
H
Kimberly
this
is
barbara
again
I'll.
Just
say
that
I
I've
sat
on
the
jury
for
a
couple
years
and
I
appreciate
the
fact
that
we're
looking
at
trying
to
make
it
a
little
bit
more
clear
because
I
found
the
process
a
little
strange
and
haphazard
to
say
the
least
and
saying
oh
well.
Well,
no
one
said
we
can't
do
three
awards
in
this
one
category
and
then
just
not
a
word,
the
other
one.
H
I
found
that
a
little
odd,
so
if
you
can
bring
more
clarity
to
it
and
it
would
resolve
the
issues
related
to
whatever
blew
up
this
year,
and
I
don't
think
I
want
to
know
any
details.
I
think
that's
great.
I
I
do
think
we
should
stay
involved
in
some
way
and
if,
if
we're
not
involved
in
any
major
way,
I
still
think
it's
really
important
for
us
to
be
present
at
the
awards
ceremony
and
to
promote
the
awards
and
try
to
you
know
through
our
social
media
and
professional
channels.
N
Great
this
is,
this
is
great
feedback
thanks
yeah.
I
just
wanted
to
kind
of
get
a
read
on
the
group,
and
I
think
you
know
I've
been
on
the
committee,
the
planning
committee
now
this
was
the
second
year
that
I
helped
with
the
planning
committee
and
I'll
probably
continue
at
least
for
another
year,
because
I
kind
of
want
to
see
through
some
of
the
changes
of
being
more
specific
about
the
requirements
and
being
more
specific
about
how
many
awards
are
going
to
go
in
each
category
and
and
that
kind
of
thing.
B
N
A
great
group
of
people
and
they've
been
putting
together
good
programs
award
programs
so
very
fun,
but
if
anybody
is
interested
start
thinking
now
or
if
you
would
want
to
join
me
on
the
committee
this
year,
because
I
know
we're
going
to
be
losing
a
couple-
people
that
have
been
serving
the
last
couple
years.
So
if
you
have
an
interest
I
will
be
reaching
out.
So
that's
all
I
had
on
that.
Thank
you,
andrea
for
the
time.
Thank
you.
D
I
thought
about
switching
the
next
two
items,
so
we
can
give
brie
some
time
here
and
then
we
move
on,
but
then
I
realized
this
is
a
special
meeting,
it's
being
recorded
and
the
agenda
is
posted,
so
I
don't
know
if
I
really
have
the
power
to
do
that,
but
we'll
continue
on
we're
right
on
time.
So
this
is
great
treatment
of
non-contributing
buildings
in
historic
districts.
I
know
margo,
you
raised
a
couple
concerns
about
this
or
questions
and
then
claire.
You
had
requested
this
topic,
but
I
have
some
you
know
stuff.
D
L
Absolutely
just
now
realizing
that
my
sweater
is
the
same
color
as
my
my
wall.
So
hopefully
I
don't
disappear
for
you
guys,
but
I
so
I
had
asked
that
we
talk
about
this
I'd
like
to
even
maybe
broaden
this
subject
out
a
little
bit
more
and
just
kind
of
talk
about
our
historic
districts,
guidelines
and
resource
guidelines
in
general,
but
you
know
specific
to
the
non-contributing
building
piece.
You
know
this
came
up
as
we
were
chatting
about
that
ex
new
con
newish
construction
building
in
over
on
nicolette.
L
That's
why
I'm
so
thankful
that
we
have
barbara
howard
on
this
commission
to
lend
that
expertise,
and
so
I
think
that
one
one
of
the
big
things
I
mentioned
this
on
tuesday-
that
I
would
like
I'd
like
the
rest
of
the
commission
to
to
provide
their
thoughts
and
feedback
on.
But
we
have
a
lot
of
these
things
that
come
before
us
that
you
know
we
may
it's
not
like.
L
We
as
the
commissioners
are
constantly
reading
the
design
guidelines
or
how
a
new
construction
building
might
be
impacted
by
design
guidelines
and
things
like
that.
These
come
before
us
because
of
applications,
and
then
things
are
highlighted
that
maybe
we
as
commissioners
would
wish
that
they
weren't
that
way.
L
So
we
could
rule
and
be
more
flexible
to
allow
our
applicants
to
make
changes
to
their
buildings
when
appropriate,
but
when
they
fly
directly
in
the
face
of
our
of
our
guidelines,
it's
it's
difficult
for
us
to
do
right
to
justify,
and
you
know
I
think,
we've
done
a
really
great
job
of
trying
to
have
those
nuanced
conversations
that
come
down
to
decisions
that
are
defensible
and
that
we
feel
that
we
we
talked
through
it
fully.
But
what
I?
L
L
That
was
a
tougher,
tougher
decision
to
do
that
for
the
applicant,
because
of
the
fact
that
this
thing
was
written
into
the
design
guidelines
or
like
a
non-contributing
building,
it
still
needs
to
have
meet
all
these
criterias,
even
though
maybe
we
feel
like
that
might
be
more
rigid
than
it
needs
to
be.
Maybe
we
feel
things
have
changed
or
we
want
to
have
more
flexibility.
You
know
so
what
I
what
I
was
wanting
and
I
don't
know
what
this
logistically
looks
like.
That's.
L
Why
I
want
to
have
this
conversation
was
wanting,
is
for
us
to
be
able
to
flag
those
items
and
come
back
to
them
and
discuss
it
and
say
you
know
like
well
on
that
particular
area
that
historic
district,
maybe
it
makes
sense
for
us
to
review
the
impact
on
non-contributing
buildings
to
the
design
guidelines,
and
maybe
we
tweak
those
and
what
does
that
look
like?
How
does
that
process
get
requested?
L
I
think
that's
a
question
for
andrea
and
then
I
would
ask
that
the
commissioners
weigh
in
on
their
thoughts
and
feelings
about
about
doing
that
and
whether
or
not
that
seems
like
a
worthy
thing
for
us
to
be
thinking
about
and
doing
so.
I
think
that's
kind
of
the
intro
I'll
start
with
andrea
and
I'll.
Let
you
kind
of
take.
D
Yeah,
that's
kind
of
what
I
thought
and
and
I'll
give
a
little
blurb
here.
So
you
know
you
know
in
a
historic
district,
and
that
is
what
gets
codified
and
written
into
resolution
the
boundaries
everything
within
those
boundaries
is
within
our
purview
and
that's
what
the
authority
were
granted
under
the
state
enabling
legislation-
and
there
happens
to
be-
you
know
this
further
label.
I
guess
you
know
properties
can
be
identified.
D
They
are
identified
as
contributing
and
non-contributing
and
more
in
the
last
20
years,
we've
been
very
diligent
to
make
sure
that
happens
in
historic
districts
versus
some
that
were
designated
in
the
70s,
which
didn't
generally
have
that,
but
it
can.
This
determination
dictates
the
level
of
review.
D
You
know
changes
to
non-contributing
properties,
you
know,
are
generally
approved
if
they're
compatible
with
the
the
character
of
the
district,
and
that
leaves
a
lot
of
room
for
interpretation
and
what
is
compatible
and
that's
something.
I
know
us
as
a
staff
struggle
with
a
lot,
especially
when
we
get
these
requests
on
non-contributing
buildings,
but
changes
that
wouldn't
meet
the
guidelines
if
it
was
built
today
under
the
new
construction
standards,
you
know
and
there's
none
I
mean
I
think,
as
a
general
rule,
you
know
contributing
properties,
help
they
make
the
historic
district
historic.
D
If
the
you
know,
inappropriate,
siding
or
inconsistent
siding
is
put
on
that
changes
it
enough.
It
can
put
it
to
a
non-contributing
resource,
but
the
opposite
can
happen
too.
You
can
have.
I
mean
this
happens.
I've
seen
this
happen
many
times
in
commercial
districts
where
you
will
have
a
building
that
has
a
skin
on
it
or
a
building
that
has
had.
D
You
know
inappropriate,
you
know
casement
windows
when
they
were
double
hung
and
other
changes
that
somebody
comes
along
and
out
of
the
goodness
of
their
heart
or
their
pocketbook
go
in
and
change
change
it
and
kind
of
do
a
restoration
but
kind
of
do
a
rehab
and
bring
the
building
back
to
falling
in
line
if
the
guts
of
it
are
still
fall.
Kind
of
within
that
period
of
significance
and
I've
seen
this
happen
a
lot
and
the
building
then
becomes
a
contributing
building.
D
I
don't
see
this
happen
too
much
in
minneapolis,
but
I
know
it's.
It's
definitely
has
to
have
happened
before
you
know,
but
we
have
the
as
the
commission
has
the
responsibility
to
designate
and
you
know
maintain
the
inventory
of
resources
and
you
know
to
make
decisions
on
contributing
and
uncontributing
buildings,
and
we,
I
think,
for
the
guidelines.
I
there
have
been
a
couple
things.
D
We've
tried
on
precise,
with
some
guidelines
that
are
sitting
in
my
lap
for
way
too
long
that
I
had
hoped
to
bring
through
sooner,
but
just
life
has
happened
and
a
bunch
of
other
things
have
happened.
I've
actually
had,
I
had
john
write
them
with
contributing
and
non-contributing
has
been
something
I've
seen
guidelines
do
that
I
think,
helps.
But
then
it's
like,
if
they've
come
out,
we
haven't
brought
them
to
you.
Yet
you
know
there's
a
lot
of
similarities.
D
I've
noticed
between
them
and
whereas
it's
very
hard
to
to
write
a
guideline
or
to
to
codify
in
a
way
how
to
treat
a
non-contributing
building
because
they
can
be
so
different.
You
know,
let's
say
you
have
a
I'm
just
going
to
give
lynnhurst
margot,
because
that's
very
recent
you
know,
I
think
our
period
of
significance
ends
there
in
1937
and
then
we
have
one
non-contributing
property
as
a
property
that
was
built
in
1984..
D
I
had
one
in
the
greek
letter
chapter
house
a
few
years
ago
that
wasn't
planning
major
changes,
but
it
was
a
non-contributing
building
and
there
was
we
approved
quite
a
bit
of
it.
It
actually
went
on
consent,
but
we
approved
quite
a
bit
of
it.
You
know,
including
window
replacements,
including
a
storefront
replacement,
but
for
a
contributing
building
would
not
have
been
approved,
but
there
are
certain
things
we
drew.
D
The
line
on
that
just
would
have
ran,
went
too
far
in
terms
of
being
incompat
compatible
with
the
district,
and
I
think
there
was
some
funny
thing
planned
off
the
roof
for
the
back
and
then
some
other
funny
thing
being
planned
off
the
side
which
you
know
it
is
tough
for
us
to
to
draw
those
lines.
And
so
I
think,
if
I'm
hearing
you
claire
is
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
is
somehow
trying
to
have
more
clear
guidance
on
how
to
treat
non-contributing
buildings
that
that
sound,
sound,
accurate.
O
Andrea
margot,
here,
since
you
mentioned
me
and
the
district
that
I
live
in,
it
seems
like
to
me
that
there
should
be
some
kind
of
overall
statements.
Like
the
one
you
made,
I
mean
if
it's
not
contributing,
we
probably
don't
want
to
be
any
worse
than
it
already
is,
and
whatever
that
means
in
the
context
of
a
particular
project.
I
think
it
would
be
helpful
to
have
some
kind
of
generic
principles
like
that.
That
could
be
used.
O
I
would
think
that
would
be
a
good
thing,
but
there
must
be
some
way
of
identifying,
at
least
at
a
high
level
what
it
is
we're
concerned
about,
looking
at
whatever
district
or
or
building
or
whatever.
It
is
to
try
to
try
to
articulate
what
it
is.
That
would
not
be
approved
in
a
generic
way,
so
that
the
so
that
the
commission
has
something
to
focus
on
when
those
issues
come
up.
D
H
Yes,
I
was
hoping
well,
since
I
was
name
checked
too.
I
think
first
thing
I
should
try
to
correct
the
the
matter.
I
really
don't
like
all
the
regulations,
I
if
you,
if
you
had
just
a
regular
conversation
with
me,
if
we're
sitting
at
a
bar-
and
I
have
a
beer
in
front
of
me
or
something
like
that-
you're
going
to
find
out
that
I'm
really
not
a
really
strict
preservationist
at
heart,
and
that's
why
I
talk
about
myself
as
a
being
a
preservationist
with
futuristic
tendencies.
H
H
So
I
don't
like
trying
to
tighten
down
on
architects
when
they're
doing
design,
unless
it's
really
really
crazy
or
in
the
cases
we
have
to
through
our
quasi-judicial
processes,
making
sure
it
actually
meets
the
standards
that
we
have
the
design
guidelines
that
we
have.
I'm
really
interested
to
see
the
guidelines
that
you
have
andrea,
that
john
prepared
that
might
have
something
for
non-contributing
buildings.
I
think
that
will
be
helpful.
H
H
I
don't
know
that
we
would
have
looked
at
the
detail
that
much
if
that
had
been
proposed
in
the
original
design.
I
don't
I
don't
know,
but
I'm
interested
to
see
what
you
have.
I
think
that
if
we
can
have
design
guidelines
that
talk
about
non-contributing
buildings,
it'll
give
us
those
talking
points
that
that
margot
wants-
and
I
think
all
of
us
want.
M
And
I
guess
I'm
almost
wondering
if
something
along
that
lines
would
be
useful,
because
in
that
case
it
measures
compliance
based
off
of
like
how
how
much
alteration
you're
doing
so,
if
you're
altering
a
building
more
substantially.
You
need
to
bring
it
more
in
compliance
with
code,
and
I
guess
I'm
wondering,
for
example,
this
one
where
it
was
just
they're
just
replacing
this
one
system
and
they
just
need
to
put
the
conduit.
It's
a
fairly
minor
change
to
the
building
as
a
whole.
M
If,
if
you're
updating,
I
don't
know
the
carpet
in
one
area
of
your
building,
they
don't
make
you
make
all
the
doors
on
that
floor.
Compliant.
It's
just
the
ones
leading
to
that
section
like
they
don't
make.
You
go
into
other
parts
of
a
building
to
bring
other
things
up
to
compliance
if
you're,
just
altering
a
small
area.
So
if
there
would
be
some
way
to
put
in
almost
like
levels
of
changes
to
non-contributing
buildings,
I
feel
like.
M
Maybe
I
don't
know
food
for
thought
and
a
direction
that
it
could
go
to
break
it
up
versus.
We
have
one
guideline
that
is
broken
up
like
infill
for
not
contributing,
but
breaking
it
up
for
like
infill
versus
alteration,
because
I
guess
for
me
that's
what
made
that
one
very
different,
I'm
trying
to
think
of
other
examples.
We
had
a
couple
non-contributing
garages
that
had
alterations
while
I've
been
on
the
commission.
One
wanted
to
reside
in
a
non-compliant
material,
but.
M
Yeah,
I
do
remember,
I
mean
yeah,
they
weren't
wholesale,
changing
it.
They
were
keeping
basically
the
garage,
they
were
just
reciting
it
and
it
was
already
non-compliant
and
non-contributing
and
so
again,
yeah.
If
there's
some
way
to
designate
like
alteration
versus
infill
might
be
useful
sure
there
you
go
we're
going
to
say.
I
I'll
be
quick,
I
know
we're
we're
at
the
next
item
soon
the
thing
that
I
I
was
on
the
charter
commission
before
this
commission
and
we
would
do
a
lot
of
subcommittees-
and
I
think-
and
I
know
we
have
the
power
to
do
that
here
and
we
worked
on
a
plain
language
revision
of
the
whole
charter.
You
know
and
we
worked
in
subcommittees
on
specific
topics.
I
Oh,
this
is
a
real
stumbling
block
and
if
we
could
tweak
the
language
that
would
be
so
much
helpful
and
I
think
we'd
you
know
have
the
we
would
need
people
to
volunteer
to
be
on
that
have
to
be
a
small
committee.
But
I
think
that's
a
thing
we
could
work
on.
So
we
have
that
that's
in
our
universe
of
things
we
can
do
and
then
we're
not
just
reacting,
we're
being
more
proactive
and
still
doing
our
job.
B
D
D
So
we
were
kind
of
between
a
rock
and
a
hard
place
of
trying
to
to
put
these
into
design
guidelines
and
and
I'll
just
be
completely
honest.
We
did
a
complete
after
bringing
them
through
you
and
some
other
comments.
We
did
a
complete
rewrite
of
them
and
they're
in
my
lap
right
now,
so
that
this
is
my
fault.
But
but
you
know
it
might
be
an
interesting
thing
when
we
bring
it
through
for
comment
when
we
have
that
ready
to
go
to
see
what
you
guys.
D
Think
of
this
kind
of,
I
would
say,
experiment
I've
seen
it
in
other
guidelines
in
other
parts
of
the
country
to
see
how
it
turned
out
and
does
it
work,
and
does
it
give
you
enough
guidance
to
be
able
to
make
a
decision
on
a
non-contributing
building,
because
there's
a
number
of
them
in
that
district
and
and
then
there's
also
a
number
of
buildings
in
that
district-
that
if
you
change
a
couple
things
you
could
maybe
make
it
a
contributing
building,
as
I
said
so.
Thank
you
for
your
comments
on
that.
D
Sorry,
I
well
I'm
going
to
continue
to
move
forward,
because
this
is
brie
has
graciously
been
sitting
through
on
this
and
want
to
respect
her
time
for
being
here
too
so
moving
on
cultural
districts,
I
will
this
was
a
topic
from
ian
sadie
who
wanted
to
talk
about,
I
kind
of
made
it
into
cultural
districts.
I
think
these
these
are
interrelated,
but
you
know
supporting
the
the
efforts
on
the
thrive.
D
What
does
that
thrive,
38,
38
thrive,
the
efforts
happening
around
38th
in
chicago
and
brie
is
very
intimately
involved
in
in
what's
happening.
Bree
is
in
our
long-range
planning
group
and
I'll
I'll
give
her
and
let
her
introduce
herself
here
in
a
moment,
but
I
wanted
to
just
give
a
quick
overview
of
that,
and
then
I
can
let
brie
kind
of
take
over
here
and
she-
and
I
can
talk
you've
heard
about
cultural
districts
and
the
38th
in
chicago
area
is
a
cultural
district.
This
did
get
passed
into
ordinance
and
brief.
D
D
Yet,
and
I'm
really
hoping
that
some
of
the
meetings
that
will
happen
out
of
this
national
trust
grant
community
engagement,
you
know
this
topic
will
come
up
and
there
will
be
a
meeting
held
in
that
area
to
get
the
perspective
of
the
residents
and
that
group
to
say
what
they're
thinking
and
what
they
want
and
to
have
have
whatever
happens
there
more
organically
than
the
city
coming
in
and
sort
of
saying,
hey.
We
want
to
do
this.
D
I
think
it's,
let's
hear
from
them
first
and
kind
of
take
a
a
slower
approach
and
just
yeah
that
there
is
being
a
lot
asked
of
them
right
now
and
being
respectful
of
that,
but
also
the
fact
that
this
is
a
cultural
district.
You
will
be
seeing
cultural
districts
brie
is
more
familiar
with
them
and
we
probably
don't
laugh
at
me
as
everything
I'm
saying,
but
let
me
just
introduce
her.
This
is
brianne
golding.
She
is
in
her
long
range
planning
group.
D
B
C
B
P
C
P
B
P
P
P
P
P
D
D
D
D
D
H
H
D
D
D
L
D
P
P
P
P
P
P
Let's
see
as
far
as
cultural
districts,
I
kind
of
got
involved
late,
2019
so
by
then
the
culture
of
district
score
already
announced
by
the
mayor,
and
at
that
time
there
were
six
of
them,
which
was
west
broadway,
central,
riverside,
franklin,
lake
and
38th,
when
it
actually
got
adopted,
was
lori
was
added
to
it.
So
there's
technically
seven
of
them
right
now
and
the
basis
behind
it
is
trying
to
preserve
cultural
heritage
and
like
economic
vitality
of
these
areas,
so
pretty
much
the
thought
behind
it
is
you
know?
P
P
So
what
it
is
right
now
is
that
a
lot
of
city
resources
that
already
existed
have
consolidated
and
the
individuals
that
manage
these
programs
are
working
together
to
prioritize
services
and
programs
in
in
projects
and
cultural
districts.
So
that's
kind
of
where
that
is
right
now
yeah.
Does
anybody
have
any
questions.
P
G
H
H
You
may
already
be
aware
of
the
the
main
street
program.
They
have
a
sub
program.
That's
urban
maine
that
I
think
could
be
really
helpful
in
minneapolis
and
provide
more
connections
and
resources,
and
things
like
that
and
could
easily
fit
in
with
the
cultural
district
program.
So
if
it
is
still
truly
still
being
formed
like
it
sounds
like
it
is.
I'd
encourage
you
to
look
at
that,
because
I
went
to
a
a
main
street
conference
with
a
clg
grant,
with
a
grant
because
of
our
commission
status
and
the
urban
maine
folks
were
just
amazing.
H
The
work
that's
being
done
in
some
of
the
the
cities
around
the
country.
There's
some
good
programs
in
dc
and-
and
I
want
to
say
there
was
some
in
georgia
and
it
might
be
a
good
way
to
tie
in
preservation
into
all
of
this,
and
I
just
wanted
to
mention.
I
posted
the
link
to
your
38th
thrive,
strategic
plan
in
our
in
the
chat.
I
appreciate
seeing
mention
of
preservation
in
that,
and
I
think
it's
great
that
we're
looking
at
preservation
as
a
positive
part
of
community
revitalization.
H
P
Oh,
I
mean
that
honestly
came
from
the
community,
so
thank
them,
I
would
say,
council
vice.
President
jenkins
is
kind
of
historian
in
her
own
way
and
a
person
that
that
wrote
the
history
section
that
lives
in
that
neighborhood.
She
is
a
co-founder
of
the
african-american
heritage,
museum
and
gallery.
So
there's
a
lot
of
historians.
B
H
H
This
has
to
be
coming
from
the
community
and
I
think
it's
important
that
that
comes
from
the
community
when
they're
ready,
and
I
think
that
we
need
to
as
a
commission
start
thinking
a
little
differently
about
what
designation
and
preservation
might
be,
might
mean
for
a
location
like
that,
and
is
that,
can
that
be
accomplished
through
things
like
a
cultural
district?
Instead
of
designation
as
we
typically
look
at
designation,
I
think
that
preservation
in
is
changing.
H
I
already
told
you,
I'm
a
preservationist
with
future
futuristic
tendencies,
and
I
think
that's
more
so
today
and
after
george
floyd's
murder
than
it
than
it
was
beforehand.
So
I
know
I'm
looking
at
preservation
differently.
So
I
appreciate
that
the
city
is
is
ready
to
to
help
the
community
and
to
work
with
the
community
as
as
they're
ready
to
to
look
at
things
like
that.
P
P
You
know
from
out
of
the
country
want
a
piece
of
this
intersection
in
a
way.
You
know
it's
a
piece
of
history,
it
really
is,
and
everybody
wants
to
be
a
part
of
it,
but
for
the
folks
who
have
to
listen
to
all
the
stuff,
that's
happening
there
every
single
day.
You
know
it's
kind
of
like,
as
somebody
described
living
in
the
middle
of
disneyland,
because
there's
always
tourists
and
stuff
around
when
that
was
never
that
community.
P
They
never
had
to
experience
that
before
people
didn't
even
know
really
38th
street
and
38th
in
chicago,
so
there's
a
lot
of
different
dynamics.
As
far
as
you
have
folks
that
have
lived
there,
their
entire
life,
you
know,
live
in
their
grandparents
home.
You
know
been
there
60
years,
you
have
folks
that
just
moved
in
probably
two
years
ago,
you
have
the
gangs,
you
have
the
businesses,
you
have
the
religious
institution,
and
so
there
is,
you
have
to
bethany.
P
You
have
the
spokesman
recorder,
so
it's
really
this
unique
community
that
is
honestly
trying
to
figure
this
out
together.
They
all
have
a
vision
of
where
they
want
38th
street
to
be
and
how
it
should
feel
and
how
it
should
look,
that's
a
collective
view,
but
they
all
differ
on
how
to
get
there,
which
is
which
has
been
the
hard
part,
and
so
I
think,
I
think,
bringing
historic
preservation
in
right.
Now,
honestly,
it
would
just
get
lost.
P
To
be
honest
at
this
point,
I
think
in
a
couple
of
years,
once
some
things
get
figured
out,
because
you
know
right
now:
they're
they're,
looking
at
safety
they're
looking
at
the
sentencing,
because
we
think,
oh
just
because
he
got
convicted
if
he
gets
five
years-
that's
not
justice
to
them.
So
there's
this
still
is
still
wrong.
D
I
would
say,
since
let's
move
on
and
if
there's
any
further
questions
on
kind
of
what
bree
said
feel
free
to
you
know
reach
out
to
me,
and
I
can
you
know,
reach
out
to
brie
or
put
you
directly
in
touch
with
brie
about
it.
But
let's
do
that.
Thank
you
so
much
briefer
for
calling
in
and
for
attending.
I
appreciate
it.
D
P
D
Know
so,
we've
nested
on
and
obviously
during
any
of
this
anyone
please
get
up
and
use
the
beauty
of
virtual
meetings
and
you
don't
have
to
have
your
camera
and
get
a
snack
use
the
restroom.
Whatever
don't
you
know,
we
call
on
you
and
you're
that
not
there
we
understand
deconstruction
ordinance.
I've
got
ethan
and
madeline
because
both
of
you
had
brought
this
up
as
a
requested
topic.
M
Thanks,
andrea
ethan,
if
you
don't
mind,
I
guess
I'll
start
and
I'll
pass
it
off
to
you.
So
I
requested
this
topic
because
I'm
now
trying
to
remember
how
many
months
ago,
but
at
our
last
retreat,
we
discussed
a
few
task
forces
and
one
of
them
was
deconstruction
ordinance,
and
so
I
think
I
did
actually
technically
bring
into
life
the
task
force
and
deconstruction
ordinance,
and
then
it
promptly
went
nowhere.
M
I
attended
a
webinar
about
deconstruction
ordinances,
which
is
maybe
also
what
ethan
is
inspired
by,
because
it
was
a
it
was
a
rethos
webinar
and
I
guess
it.
It
brought
it
back
up
to
the
top
of
my
mind
and
it
provided
some
interesting
information
that
we
didn't
have
the
last
time
we
talked
about
this,
which
is
why
I
wanted
to
kind
of
circle
back
on
it,
which
was
when
we
talked
before.
M
M
Who
also
didn't
know,
this
was
a
thing
hennepin
county
is
offering
grants
to
developers
or
homeowners
that
are
for
residential
properties
built
prior
to
1970,
where
the
area
of
demo
or
renovation
is
500
square,
feet
or
larger,
and
then
they
send
out
a
hennepin
county
staff
member
to
do
a
pre-demolition
inspection
of
the
site.
They
help
you
figure
out
which
items
are
going
to
be
reused
and
deconstructed
and
where
they're
going
to
go,
they
give
a
whole
list
of
different
people
who
can
do
and
take
different
deconstruction
materials,
which
I
just
thought
was.
M
the
one
in
hampton
county
is
1970,
so
they
went
with
a
slightly
different
date
there,
and
then
also.
I
think
this
has
gone
into
effect,
since
we
last
talked
is
the
city
of
palo
alto,
which
is
also
one
that
the
hennepin
county
had
looked
into,
has
gone
with
a
zero
waste
deconstruction
ordinance
where
all
demolition
and
construction
projects,
I
believe,
are
being
required
to
do
deconstruction
they've
just
completely
stopped
demolition,
as
as,
like
an
allowable
thing,
everything
has
to
be
maximized
for
the
reuse
and
recycling
which.
B
M
O
F
To
hit
on
too,
because
I,
since
I'm
new
to
the
commission,
I
wanted
to
hear
a
little
bit
more
about
the
context
that
deconstruction
has
been
talked
about
in
the
past.
So
it's
great
to
hear
that
it
was
has
been
talked
about
and
that
there
was
some
at
least
an
initiative.
Last
year.
That
sounds
like
led
by
you
to
to
start
a
task
force
to
think
about
it
totally
understandable
in
the
past
year,
how
that
might
have
fallen
to
the
wayside
a
little
bit.
F
F
But
obviously
we
deal
with
old
buildings
and
historic
buildings
all
the
time,
and
there
is,
I
believe,
certain
opportunities
in
historic
building
deconstruction
that
would
be
really
and
then
deconstruction
in
general.
That
would
be
really
beneficial
for
the
preservation
community
and
would
be
absolutely
interested
in
talking
about
or
like
being
on
some
sort
of
committee
or
task
force
for
deconstruction
ordinances
in
the
future,
but
yeah
I
was
going
to
mention
to
obviously
portland
there's
a
few
other
cities
that
have
enacted
versions
of
of
deconstruction
ordinances.
F
I
also
think
there's
a
lot
of
opportunity,
too,
in
community
building
and
and
the
the
job
creation
the
the
fact
that
they're
low
training
there's
not
much
training
required
for
the
jobs
that
would
be
created
for
deconstruction
learning
about
historic
building
practices
through
deconstruction
in
kind
replacement
for
buildings.
All
the
benefits
of
that,
I
think,
would
be
great
for
for
something
like
that,
but
I'm
interested
to
hear
what
other
people
think
about
this
in
the
context
of
preservation.
M
H
Yeah,
I'm
I'm,
I
don't
think
I
was
officially
on
the
task
force.
I
think
I
said
that
I
would
review
stuff
once
you
guys
had
stuff
because
I
just
haven't
had.
I
knew
I
wasn't
gonna
have
time,
but
I
am
I'm
wholeheartedly
behind
some
sort
of
a
deconstruction
ordinance
of
some
sort,
both
as
a
component
of
the
preservation
side
of
things
and
as
job
creation,
and
that
job
creation
can
also
fit
into
diversity
and
inclusion
goals
of
the
city.
M
Andrea,
I
guess
I
have
a
question
for
you
kind
of
around
this,
because
I
know
we
talked
about
before
potentially
coming
up
with
some
draft
language,
and
you
know
the
difficulty
then
of
trying
to
get
city
buy-in.
But
I
guess
what
I'm
wondering
with
this,
because
I
really
like
what
what
I
like
about
the
hennepin
county
is
that
they're
doing
an
incentive
right
and
we
really
struggle
with
incentives
for
preservation.
M
Yeah
until
we
can
get
something
of
our
own
together,
if
there
would
be
someplace
on
our
website
that
we
could
promote
their
program,
I
mean
five
thousand
dollars,
isn't
a
ton
of
money,
but
for
a
homeowner
renovating
their
house,
five
thousand
dollars
is
not
nothing,
and
so
I
guess
I'd
love
to
be
a
a
link
for
resources
as
well.
Speaking
of
you
know,
community
engagement
and
everything.
D
You
know
yeah
one
side
of
me
is
like
oh
yeah.
I
could
totally
do
that
and
then
the
other
more
ask
permission
side
of
me
is
like
I
don't
know,
I
have
to
check
with
several
people
on
that.
If
we
could
do
that,
I
would
think
so.
I
mean
we
recommend
a
number
of
things
on
on
our
site
and
you
know
as
long.
You
know
at
this
point:
it's
not
something
that
were.
D
M
Yeah,
I
mean
the
other
resources
page
for
property
owners.
That
would
be
a
really
good
place,
but
yeah.
I
guess
I
was
thinking
like
when
people
pull
pull
the
like,
there's
the
certificate
of
appropriateness
and
then
there's
the
section
on
like
demolitions
when
they're,
when
they're
doing
that.
If
there
would
be
some
subtle
way
to
like
and.
M
Large
scale
changes
here.
Look
at
this
deconstruction
grant
program
yeah.
I
would
love
to
get
an
ordinance
in
place,
but
in
the
meantime,
since
we
don't
have
any
incentives,
we
can
provide
I'd
love
to
like
make
people
aware
of
an
incentive
that
already
exists,
that
they,
probably
just
don't
even
realize,
is
they're.
Not
I
I
feel
like
not
that
many
people
go
searching
for
grants
on
the
county
website,
at
least
not
regular
homeowners.
D
B
D
There's
you
know
a
whole
process
of
getting
it
introduced
and
then
doing
the
subject
matter,
and
then
this
and
then
council
and
then
it
gets
referred
to
staff
and
it's
all
very
much
a
formal
process
that
I
confess
I'm
still
learning
and
changing
the
ordinance
just
with
this
most
recent
ordinance
change
that
came
through
before
you
a
few
weeks
ago.
So,
just
let
me
know.
F
M
Cool,
I
do
wonder
with
the
county
being
so
supportive
of
deconstruction
and
the
state
as
a
whole
being
deconstruction
if
there
would
be
any
funding
available
for
the
city
to
do
part
of
the
process
for
an
ordinance
change.
I
guess
I'm
wondering
if
they
would
offer
local
governments
funding
for
it.
I
don't
think
they
are
at
this
point,
but
it
might
be.
I
don't
know
worth
contemplating.
D
All
right
with
that,
I
will
move
on
and
we
are
with
claire's
topic
on
the
potential
diversity
claire.
Please
me,
I
think
I
got
this
right
and
I
feel
sheepish
for
not
knowing
the
acronym
perfectly
but
diversity,
equality
and
inclusion
options
for
hpc.
It's
kind
of
a
continuation
from
our
last
last
retreat
in
august
of
last
year.
L
Yeah,
that's
right.
Can
you
guys
hear
me?
I
can't
tell
I'm
my
internet's
kind
of
cutting
in
and
out
today,
so
doing
good.
So
far,
all
right
cool
sounds
good
yeah.
So
you
know
like
in
that
same
conversation
vayne.
We
we
talked
about
the
deconstruction
ordinance
and
then
we
also
talked
about
the
like
the
diversity
and
equity
and
inclusion
issues
that
that
relate
to
to
our
work
and
how
we
can
be.
L
We
can
better
serve
broader
communities
within
the
city
of
minneapolis
and
and
how
our
policies
and
programs
can
do
that
and
that
you
know
I
I've
been
wanting
to
take
the
lead
on
that
and
I've
got
a
long
list.
I've
got
a
lot
of
notes.
I've
had
a
lot
of
conversations
over
the
course
of
the
last
year.
L
I
just
haven't
gotten
myself
organized
to
present
anything
to
the
commission,
and
I
think
that
what
I
I
don't
want
to
spend
a
bunch
of
time
talking
about
it
today,
because
I
you
know,
I
feel,
like
we've
already
had
this
conversation.
We
know
generally
speaking,
where
we're
where
we're
landing
on
it.
But
what
I
what
I
am
looking
for-
and
I
want
to
confirm
that
this
is
okay.
L
So
with
that
what
I
was
hoping
I
could
do,
I
I'm
going
to
ask
andrew
I'm
going
to
ask
you
to
clarify
two
things
for
me
and-
and
I
don't
know
if
you'll
know
this
off
here
off
the
top
of
your
head
or
if
this
is
something
that
you'll
need
to
seek
additional
information
from
the
city's
council.
But
you
know
if
we
do
a
task
force,
what
impact
does
that
have
on
open
meeting
laws
like
a
subcommittee,
whatever,
whatever
you
want
to
call
it?
L
And
so
then,
therefore,
is
there
a
maximum
number
of
participants
that
could
take
part
in
this,
and
my
vision
here
is
that
we,
I
you
know,
I'm
kind
of
thinking
like
two
or
three
people,
because
I
know
we
want
to
keep
it
from
I'm
guessing.
We
want
to
keep
it
from
a
from
a
full
quorum
so
that
we
don't
have
to
like
notice
and
stuff
like
that.
L
But
let's
say
it's:
let's
say
it's
a
task
force
of
three
people
and
then
my
idea
being
that
us
three
would
meet
regularly
with
homework
and
assignments,
and
then
we
would
come
back
to
the
full
commission
on
an
agenda
item
with
recommendations.
Let
that
be
new
policy
opportunities.
You
know,
like
barbara's,
brought
up
the
urban
main
street
program
a
couple
of
times,
and
I've
done
some
a
bunch
of
reading
on
that
and
that's
a
phenomenal
way
for
us
to
really
broaden
our
reach
in
preservation
policy.
So
it's
stuff
like
that.
L
What
I
would
like
to
do,
instead
of
getting
so
deep
into
these
conversations
about
how
our
current
policy,
our
current
tools
are,
are
not
reaching
communities
of
color.
Instead,
just
broadening
our
tools
get
more
tools,
you
know
we
don't.
We
need
more
tools,
not
less
and
so
continuing
with
the
tools
we
have
using
them.
L
The
way
that
they
make
sense
to
continue
to
use
them,
but
then,
let's,
let's
think
about
creating
new
ones
so,
like
I
don't
want
to
ramble
on
too
long,
so
andrea
from
your
perspective,
from
your
understanding
like,
can
we
do
a
task
force?
What
does
that
look
like
you
know
how
many,
how
many
people
can
be
on
that
and
then
secondarily,
I'm
looking
for
volunteers
for
said
task
force.
I
know
ian
steady
is
very
interested
in
this
topic
and
I'm
I'm
happy
to
to
be
a
part.
L
M
Claire
I'm
thinking
back
to
when
I
I
think
there
is,
I
think
when
I
I
birthed
the
task
force
on
deconstruction.
I
also
did
start
the
one
on
because
I
think
it
was
I
had
to
make
like
an
announcement
at
a
meeting
or
something
I
think
I
did
start
the
diversity
equity
inclusion
task
force.
So
I
think
you
there
is
a
task
force
and
I
think
we
said
you
were
heading
it.
So
I
think
you
can
start
holding
meetings
whenever
you.
B
F
L
C
L
I
Yeah
I
just
I
wanted
to
give
a
little
historic
background.
We
did
have
a
subcommittee
or
task
force
on
historic
districts,
and
I
was
on
that
and
I
think
it
was
four
of
us.
You
know
we
were
kind
of
like
feeling
out
what
would
be
historic
districts
that
was
quite
a
while
ago,
but
yeah.
I
think
that's
a
precedent.
I
can
remember.
H
Yeah,
I
think-
and
I
think
that's
what
we
discussed
last
last
summer
as
well
and
and
this
is
one
that
I'm
interested
in
as
well,
but
if
you
have
other
people
who
are
on
the
committee,
I
much
like
I've
said
to
madeline
with
the
deconstruction.
I
can
always
just
you
know,
contribute
on
the
side
or
review
things
things
like
that.
My
time
is
pretty
pressed,
but
I'm
I'm
passionate
about
the
dei
issues.
H
F
M
D
I'll
go
ahead
and
my
response
on
your
question
about
you
know
open
meeting
and
stuff,
so
we
we're
kind
of
governed
by
what
the
bylaws
allow
us
to
do
and
when
I
had
looked
into
this
before,
I
think
it
was
the
bylaws
allow
kind
of
like
a
special
committee,
and
I
think
it
was
around
three.
I
can
double
check
that,
and
that
means
that's
under
quorum
for
for
this,
and
essentially
it's
kind
of
like
you
can
meet
as
needed.
D
Staff
wouldn't
necessarily
be
coordinating
or
involved,
and
then,
as
you
said,
you
would
then
come
to
us
with
a
recommendation
as
to
staff,
and
then
we
would
discuss
it.
You
know
we'd,
add
it
to
an
agenda.
I'd
have
to
check
with
the
clerks
the
proper
way
to
add
that
to
the
agenda.
If
we
have
to
introduce
it
or
something
like
that
under
like
new
business
and
then
we
would,
you
know,
put
it
on
the
agenda
and
discuss.
D
L
We
can
have
in
the
commission
and
we
can
all
be,
you
know,
become
really
useful
in
our
backgrounds
and
understanding.
So
then,
okay,
so
my
if
if
I,
if
the
task
force
gets
together
and
we
have
a
policy
that
we
want
to
recommend,
we
say
you
know
like,
for
instance,
we
want
to.
We
would
like
to
explore
adding
a
urban
main
street
program
to
the
city
of
minneapolis.
L
L
So
let's
say
that
we
wanted
to
the
task
force
decided
that
they
want.
We
would
like
to
explore
adding
a
policy
of
like
an
urban
main
street
program,
and
so
we
would
bring
that
to
the
commission,
see
if
the
commissioners
agree
that
that's
that's
the
right
thing
to
do
and
then
the
next
step
there
would
be,
I
assume,
directing
staff
to
put
start
putting
that
policy
together.
The
infrastructure
of
the
policy.
L
D
Need
to
that's
a
darn
good
question
and
I
don't
know
okay,
I
I'm
going
to
be
more
comfortable
in
saying
I
don't
know,
I
have
to
look
into
it
to
see
kind
of
what
the
next
steps
would
be
because
I
I
know
there
have
been
things
like
this
before
and
in
fact,
like
ian.
I
think
you
sat
on
some
committees
a
while
ago
that
you
remember
one
one
of
these
meetings.
I
remember
you
mentioning
it
and
then
had
come
to
with
recommendations,
and
then
staff
had
gone
forward
with
that.
D
L
So
I
think
that
would
be
useful
to
know
and
then
so
my
intent,
I
was
gonna,
have
this
written
as
a
formal
proposal,
and
I
just
never
got
myself
together
to
do
that.
But
so
just
verbally
my
intent
here
would
be.
I
will
call
on
task
force
meetings
with
the
members
and
we'll
dig
into
some
of
the
stuff.
L
I've
got
a
long
list
of
of
different
policies
and
programs
that
other
communities
have
other
hpcs
have
implemented,
and
so
I'd
like
to
kind
of
like
just
put
us
all,
put
our
task
force
in
charge
of
digging
into
those
how
those
work
and
what
what's?
What's
the
benefits?
What's
the
what's
the
risk?
What's
the?
L
What
are
where
are
they
maybe
not
as
beneficial
and
then
hopefully
we
can
come
together
with
some
actual
tools
that
will
help
us
be
more
nimble
in
in
help
working
with
those
communities,
communities
of
color
and
underrepresented
communities
or
immigrant
communities.
Things
like
that,
so
that's
my
hope
for
it.
I'm
really
excited.
Thank
you
to
those
that
are
willing
to
join.
L
Join
me
in
this
effort,
but
yeah,
like
I
said,
if
any
and
as
you
guys
come
across
stuff,
you
know
ian
has
sent
me
some
stuff
that
he
comes
across
like
I
would
appreciate
it
the
more
eyes
and
ideas
on
these
types
of
things,
the
better
it's
going
to
make
us
better
overall.
So
that's
that's
my
intent.
That's
my
goal
here
and
happy
to
answer
any
questions
or
get
additional
feedback.
If
anybody
has
it,
but
that
was
that's
what
I
wanted
to
talk
about
today,.
D
Yeah
and
on
that,
like
introducing
stuff
it
there
might
be
just
as
a
full
disclosure.
There
might
be
something
where
you
that
at
the
commission
may
not,
and
we
may
have
to
go
through
and
talk
to
the
council
and
have
the
council
do
something
like
that.
But
I
that's
what's
floating
in
the
back
of
my
head
right
now
as
I'm
thinking
about
it
yeah,
but
I
would
have
to
get
clarity
on
that.
I'm
not
as
well
versed
in
in
it.
So.
D
All
right,
so
I
left
quite
a
bit
of
time
for
wiggle
room
for
questions.
I
had
a
bun.
I
had
a
lot
of
topics
requested
and
thank
you
everyone
I
couldn't
include
them
all,
but
I
that's
why
I
kind
of
left
some
additional
time
for
anybody
to
bring
up
questions
of
anything
that
was
said
or
anything
that
wasn't
said
today
or
additional
topics
that
they
just
want
to
ad
hoc,
throw
in
that
we
can
have
a
quick
chat
about.
D
D
You
know
we're
working
on
dinky
town,
we're
working
on
almost
done.
You
know
with
lynn
hurst,
and
that
was
a
district
that
came
up
washburn
far
oaks.
I
know,
as
a
staff
was
our
first
line
of
like
yes,
we
need
help
on
that
one.
We
need
to
rewrite,
but
there's
many
more
and
I
think,
as
we
start
to
do
some
of
these-
and
you
know,
I'm
hoping
you
know
apply
for
grant
funds
we'll
be
able
to
kind
of
see
a
theme
of
maybe
what
works
and
what
doesn't
work
with
them.
D
And
it
sounds
like
you
know.
Better
guidance
on
handling
non-contributing
resources
seems
to
be
a
point
of
concern,
but
we're
getting
there
and
trying
to
find
a
way
and
to
be
able
to
get
to
these.
It's
just
it'll
take
some
time,
but
with
that,
let
me
just
kind
of
I'll
open
it
up
to
anybody
who
wants
to
bring
anything
up
or
has
questions
and
we'll
use
that
time
and
if
there's
not,
then
we
we
can
close
and
move
on
with
our
thursday
night.
M
Andrea,
I
was
curious
and
the
newer
guidelines
you're
working
on
and
this
discussion
with
non-contributing
buildings
are
the
newer
guidelines
going
to
include
things
on
accessory
dwelling
units.
I
guess
I'm
wondering
if
there
should
be
a
separate
accessory
dwelling
unit
guideline
set
kind
of
like
we
see
for
signage
or,
if
you're,
seeing
that
get
integrated
in
the
future
into
them.
M
I
just
I'm
imagining,
as
the
code
gets
the
ordinances
and
everything
get
updated
to
meet
the
new
intent
of
the
city
with
allowing
you
know,
potentially
an
accessory
dwelling
unit
on
every
single
lot,
like
I'd
like
us,
to
be
prepared
for
a
potential
influx
of
requests
for
them
in
historic
districts,
especially
I
just
at
least
in
my
mind.
I
don't
really
see
them
as
counter
to
historic
districts.
M
D
I
know
we've
had
some
applications
that
have
not
come
before
you,
yet
they
might
actually
soon.
I
think,
they're
getting
closer
to
being
complete.
So
I
won't
give
too
much
information
where
there
is
either
they're
building
like
a
completely
separate
building,
and
I
don't
think
they're
sub
dividing
a
lot.
So
I
think
it's
an
adu
john
is
the
one
working
on
that
one.
But
my
thought
is:
you
know
treating
them
as
new
construction.
They
have
to
be
compatible,
they
have
to
be
subordinate.
D
D
M
I
guess
I'm
thinking
about
the
one
that
we
got
before
us
already,
where
I
think
the
biggest
issue
with
in
terms
of
the
guidelines
was
the
whole
subordinate
to
the
structure,
because
if
it's
a
garage
and
you're
putting
basically
a
house
on
top
of
a
garage
depending
on
how
tall
the
original
house
was
visually,
it
might
not
be
subordinate,
and
so
I
guess-
and
I
think
in
our
discussion
at
that
time
it
was
because
we
saw
the
housing
and
the
need
in
the
housing.
The
city
is
kind
of
a
critical
issue.
M
Was
that
subordinate
a
little
more
wishy-washy
if
it
was
an
adu,
because
we
want
to
provide
the
housing
in
the
districts
which
is
you
know,
kind
of?
Yes?
Maybe
it
is
opening
up
pandora's
box,
because
then
we're
prioritizing
a
use.
On
the
other
hand,
maybe
we
should
be
prioritizing
housing
as
a
use,
so
I
don't
know
I
get
where
you're
coming
from,
though,
from
a
workload
standpoint.
D
D
Not
have
done
everything
for
a
permit.
I
I
could.
I
could
be
wrong,
I
don't
know.
Maybe
I
signed
it
out
and
just
like
blocked
it
out
of
my
memory,
but
yeah
we'll
be
seeing
we'll
see,
but
I
mean-
and
we
can
see
how
this
goes
and
I
think
it's
going
to
be
a
little
bit
of
of
baby
steps
to
see.
Okay,
what's
the
what's
the
response,
we
get.
How
many
requests
do
we
get?
How
are
we
gonna
handle
them
when
we
bring
them?
I
mean
definitely
that
one
comes
to
use.
That
was.
D
That
was
a
really
strange
project,
though,
and
strange
other
things
with
it,
but
you
know
for
a
more
traditional
adu
that
we'll
see
at
least
with
some
of
the
calls
I've
been
getting
or
requests
I've
been
getting
from
people.
I
just
had
one
today,
actually
we'll
see
how
it
goes
and,
and
then
I
think,
with
that,
once
we
kind
of
see
a
few
under
our
belt
figure
out.
Okay,
is
this
something
we
maybe
really
need
to
address
more
or
can
we
address
it
more
with
design
and.
G
D
Like
we
could
address
that
one
with
design,
but
it
was
a
strange
thing
because
they
had
a
weird
lot:
they
had
not
a
lot
of
coverage
and
they
had
a
giant
property
covering
most
of
it
and
there
were
a
billion
zoning
issues
with
it,
but
but
anyways,
but
thank
you
yeah.
Thank
you
for
bringing
that
up.
I
know
that's
been
a
concern
of
yours
for
for
a
while.
M
D
O
I
have
an
issue
that
came
to
me
when
we
were
conducting
the
discussion
at
the
last
meeting
about
3400
dupont
and
I
think
it's
a
broader
issue
than
that,
but
I
thought
I
had
missed
something
in
the
materials
because
I
wasn't
prepared
for
that.
First
amendment
discussion.
Although
I
had
seen
the
1998
letter
that
talked
about
some
sort
of
an
agreement
with
the
city
or
an
anticipated
agreement,
I'm
not
sure
what
it
was.
O
But
my
question
is:
do
we
have
a
way
of
trying
to
get
these
issues
brought
to
the
surface
before
the
actual
meeting?
And
what
I'm
thinking
is?
Is
it
possible-
and
there
may
not
be
time
to
do
it,
but
is
it
possible
that
when
the
staff
has
their
recommendation
ready
it,
they
could
solicit
a
brief
statement
of
issues
that
the
applicant
or
the
owner
might
have,
because
I,
if
the
discussion
had
proceeded
in
such
a
way
as
the
commission
was
going
to
refuse
to
allow
the
door
to
be?
You
know
flipped
around
by
the
ramp.
O
How
real
is
that
first,
amendment
issue,
or
maybe
they're,
making
a
contract
issue
related
to
what
was
in
that
letter,
but
I
think
that's
a
broader
issue,
not
specific
necessarily
to
the
3400
dupont
project,
and
it
may
be
ultimately
that
the
city
would
rather
hold
off
on
giving
that
advice
until
it
gets
to
the
council
on
appeal,
and
they
can
do
it
then,
and
may
not
have
to
do
it
at
all.
Otherwise.
O
But
I
think
it
would
be
helpful
to
us
as
commissioners
to
get
an
understanding
of
how
should
we
proceed
when
unanticipated
legal
issues
arise
in
the
context
of
a
public
hearing,
and
if
it
were
possible,
I
would
think
even
beyond
unanticipated
legal
issues.
It
might
be
helpful
just
to
get
a
little
more
context
from
the
owner
or
the
applicant
for
whatever
it
is
realizing
that
they
can
always
say
whatever
they
want
to
say
at
the
public
hearing
and
they
can
submit
additional
information.
But
it
would
have
been
helpful.
D
John,
I
don't
know,
did
you
did
you?
I
don't
think
I
didn't
know
I
think
john
would
have
mentioned.
Did
you
have
any
idea?
They
were
going
to
make
that
that
and
we
can
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
it.
Now
it's
it's
done
it's.
You
know
we're
still
in
the
appeal
period,
but
you
have
made
your
decision
and
so
I
don't
think
we're
violating
any
laws
in
that
respect,
but
yeah
yeah.
I
didn't
think
so.
We.
O
D
So
yep,
that
was
another
question
that
was
brought
up
actually
by
rob
was
like.
How
often
has
this
happened,
and
sometimes
I
think
to
what
you
said
margot
is
we
can't
always
control
what
an
applicant
is
going
to
say
on
to
on
the
record
in
testimony
I've
heard
a
few
interesting
ones,
especially
in
the
almost
you
know,
couple
years
that
I've
been
been
sitting
up
there
and
now
sitting
up
there
virtually.
D
I
was
pretty
floored
by
it
and
what
I
can
say
at
this
point
is
I
I,
with
some
guidance
from
the
city
attorney,
who
I
had
some
messages
with
was
why
I
said
what
I
said.
You
know
that
they
willingly
engaged
in
the
application
and
my
understanding
from
ex,
not
from
my
experience
but
from
others
experiences.
You
know
at
the
end
of
the
day
they
can
choose
to
make
that
argument.
O
D
Yeah,
and
also
like,
I
think
it
was
a
little
so
caught
off
guard
by
that
it
was
something
that
it
was
just
sort
of.
We
we
are
going
to
review
the
application
in
front
of
us.
They
came
to
us,
they
applied
for
it,
they
paid.
You
know
this
was
never
nobody.
There
was
no
mention
of
a
first
amendment
discussion
or
a
religious
freedom
discussion,
and
that
was
a
little
like.
Oh
my
has
it
happened
before
it
probably
has
I
I
don't
know
of
any
john
may
know
of
somewhere.
D
It's
happened
before
it
just
I
have
my
own
personal
feelings
about
that.
You
know
when
it
when
it
comes
to
something
like
that,
where
there
was
you
know,
john
wrote
his
staff
report
based
on
the
information
he
had
and
the
information
they
told
him,
so
it
was
a
little
frustrating
to
hear
it
flipped
in
the
testimony
to
say.
Oh
no,
we
never
said
that
we're
saying
this
and
I
was
like
well,
yes,
you
did.
You
said
it
right
here.
D
D
You
know-
and
I
think
if
they
do
do
something
I
I
did
hear
back
from
the
city
attorney.
They
weren't
too
worried
about
it
with
the
way
it
ended
up.
But
I
think
your
point
too
about
at
this
point.
You
know
you're
reviewing
what
was
in
front
of
you,
according
to
the
guidelines
that
this
was
a
weird
one.
D
I
know
a
little
bit
about
the
funny
history
about
when
it
got
designated
and
I
don't
know
I'd
forgotten
about,
or
at
least
not
known,
about,
the
the
awkward
1997
end
date
period
of
significance,
which
I
think
kind
of
threw
a
wrench
into
an
analysis.
It
did
for
us
too,
when
we
were
looking
at
it
at
a
staff
level,
but
you
know
ultimately,
it
kind
of
the
punches
really
flow
when
it
gets
to
council-
and
you
know,
should
it
have
gone
on
appeal
and
then
they
can
make
that
decision.
D
O
Yeah,
I
think
it
just
would
be
helpful
for
the
commissioners
to
know
if
those
are
issues
beyond
our
purview
and
we
should
not
take
them
into
consideration.
It
would
be
good
to
know
that
if,
in
fact,
the
city
attorney
and
the
council
would
prefer
that
those
issues
get
addressed
at
our
level,
then
we
should
probably
stop
and
lay
it
over
and
get
legal
advice.
D
They're
not
at
your
level
and
they're
generally,
not
your
purview.
I
mean
you
have
certain
rules
that
you
look
at.
You
know
based
on
the
guidelines
and
based
on
the
bylaws
and
that
one
you
know
it's
definitely
not
the
first
time
it's
come
up
at
least
in
a
land
use
perspective.
I
don't
know
what
we've
done
about
it
in
the
past
other
than
that
I
just
heard
it
doesn't
hold
up
in
court
if
they
so
choose
to
litigate
I'll
try
to
leave
at
that
without
giving
my
non
polite
opinion.
I
don't
know.
M
M
Also
on
the
like
working
on
this
on
the
other
side
of
things
as
the
architect,
the
the
owner
and
the
architect
often
gets
staff's
official
packet.
The
same
time
we
get
staff's
official
packet,
and
so
I
know
in
discussions
with
owners,
sometimes
like
that
morning
of
the
hearing,
you're
still
deciding
what
you're
gonna
contend
or
discuss.
So
I
think
it
would
be
difficult
for
staff
to
get
a
debrief
from
them
of
what
they're
planning
to
stay
in
advance.
M
Sometimes
owners
will
be
very
fast
and
you'll
actually
see
our
packet
gets
amended
before
the
meeting,
and
it
gets
added
to
like
the
public
record,
because
they'll
submit
new
drawings
revising
if
they
accept
some
things
or
they'll
write
a
letter
saying
which
things
they
contend
like.
Some
of
them
will
do
that,
but
often
they're
kind
of
winging
it
at
least
from
what
I've
seen
on
the
owner
architect
side
of
things,
and
so
I
I
think
I
assume
staff
encourages
them
to.
Let
them
know
in
advance
if
they're
going
to
contend
staff
findings.
O
D
H
H
I
mean
we've
been
doing
these
remote
meetings
now
for
well
over
a
year,
and
I
really
really
miss
seeing
everybody
and
being
in
in
the
the
normal
room,
but
there
are
have
we've
had
a
few
meetings
where
I'm
very
glad
that
my
camera
wasn't
turned
on,
because
I
do
not
have
a
poker
face,
and
this
was
one
that
I
was
just
kind
of
like.
Where
is
this
coming
from
and
and
you
would
have
seen
it
on
my
face.
K
Hey,
I
can
just
say
too,
you
know
they.
The
applicant
never
mentioned
anything
about
this,
this
sort
of
approach.
We
did
see
some
evidence
of
it.
You
know
that
you
saw
as
part
of
the
design
guidelines
where
they
did
express
some
concerns
regarding
religious
land
use
regulation,
but
they
never
did
mention
that
and
in
my
mind
this
was
an
issue
that
you
know
was
not
something
that
hpc
could
really
deal
with.
K
You
know,
based
upon
the
findings
in
the
staff
report,
was,
I
thought,
very
appropriate,
and
then,
if
the
applicant
chooses
to
pursue
this
larger
legal
issue,
that's
something
that,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
it's
not
really
in
you
know
the
hpc's
hands
or
staff
members
hands
like
ourselves.
It
ends
up
going
to
the
city
attorneys,
who
you
know,
determine
the
city's
jurisdiction
over
regulating
religious
properties
in
general.
D
L
Well,
so
just
a
a
couple
things:
I've
mentioned
this
a
couple
times.
I'd
like
to
be
repetitive
that
wondering
if,
if
particularly
cped,
staff
and
other
commissioners
would
be
open
and
willing
for
us
to
have
two
retreats
per
year,
one
in
the
spring
one
in
the
fall.
I
think
that
you
know
we
always
have
really
good
discussions,
but
it's
hard
to
follow
up
on
action
items
when
we're
only
meeting
once
a
year.
L
So
I
would
like
to
formally
request
that
we
have
a
retreat
sometime,
maybe
in
october,
where
we
follow
up
on
some
of
these
discussion
items.
Another
thing
that
I'd
like
to
make
a
formal
request
for
is
back
when
I
first
joined
the
commission.
I
think
it
only
happened
one
year
and
I
mean
it's
more
complicated
now,
because
gathering
is
complicated
and
everything
but
as
as
gathering
becomes
safe
again
and
everything
we
used
to
have
kind
of
a
social
hour
around
the
holiday
season.
L
You
know
again
when
it's
safe
to
do
so,
but
I
one
of
the
other
areas
of
consternation
in
our
work
is
how
disconnected
we
can
be
at
times
from
the
city
council,
and
I
think
if
the
city
council
has
an
opportunity
and
the
other
commissioners,
you
know
like
the
planning
commission
stuff,
we
have
opportunities
to
meet
each
other
in
social
settings
where,
where
we
can
get
to
know
each
other
a
little
bit
better.
I
just
think
that
it'll
help
all
of
us
better
understand
where
we're
coming
from
in
our
decision
making,
and
everything
like
that.
L
So
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
value
in
a
a
social
scenario
where
we
can
all
meet
each
other
and
talk
talking
without
it
being
the
form
formality
of
a
meeting.
So
my
requests
are
on
a
retreat
in
october
and
some
type
of
a
social
gathering
with
all
the
commissioners
and
the
council
members
at
some
point
and
maybe
around
the
holidays
or
whenever
it
makes
sense.
D
D
D
If
you
want
to
do,
I
know
the
last
one
we
did
was
august
and
that
was
sort
of
weird
scheduling
that
one
and
then
previously
october,
so
I
mean
they
could
be
in
you
know,
may
and
november
they
could
be
like
june
and
december.
You
know,
I
don't
know
you
know
roughly
six
months
apart
to
try
to
keep
everything
current
and
going
I'm
open,
definitely
open
to
that
december.
I
know
it's
funny.
It
seems
like
it's
slower,
but
I
always
feel
like
by
the
time
we
get
to
december.
D
There
seems
to
be
always
be
a
huge
number
of
items
on
like
the
last
meeting
or
two,
but
yet
november
seems
to
always
we've
canceled
meetings
like
the
last
two
years
in
a
row,
so
maybe
november
or
sometime.
Although
I'm
I
don't
know
what
my
life
is
going
to
look
like
in
november,
not
that
this.
My
life
should
govern
what's
happening
here
in
any
means,
but
I
mean,
if
you
know
we
could
plan
ahead.
L
Yeah,
I
think
you
know
I
don't
have
strong
preference
as
to
when
they
happen,
just
that
they
happen.
My
my
very
strong
preferences
that
they
happen
when
I
first
joined
the
commission
fatima
was
the
staff
person
and,
I
think,
she's
on
the
housing
team,
but
she
was
very
specific
in
when
we
would
get
our
calendar.
It
would
already
have
the
the
hpc
retreat
on
the
calendar.
L
So
when
it
was
distributed
to
us,
it
would
have
it
so
that
decision,
the
data
that
that
decision
was
made
before
we
even
saw
the
calendar.
So
something
like
that
makes
sense
to
me.
But
but
then
even
it
was
only
once
a
year
and
I
would
like
to
do
it
twice
a
year,
because
I
just
think
that
we
have
two
media
topics
to
only
meet
every
12
months
to
discuss
so.
D
Well,
what
do
people
think
I
know
exactly
six
friends
from
from
now
it's
roughly
the
holidays
for
almost
thanksgiving.
What,
if
putting
something
on
or
just
tentatively
agreeing
and
of
course
nobody
knows
what
they're
gonna
look
like
in
this
time,
but
like
first
week
of
december,
something
like
that,
I
gotta
look
at
actually.
Let
me
just
pull
up
the
meeting
real
quick
schedule
and
see
what
our
schedule
looks
like
nope.
That's
not
that.
B
D
I've
got
us,
we
only
actually
this
december
might
be
good,
because
right
now
we're
supposed
to
meet
november
9th
november
30th.
So
depending
when
I
have
this
child,
I
may
be
back
for
the
november
9th
one,
I'm
not
sure,
and
then
november
30th
I
should
definitely
be
back
for,
and
then
we
only
have
december
14th
for
one
meeting
in
december.
D
So
if
we
scheduled
something,
you
know
roughly
first
second
week
of
december,
that
wouldn't
impinge
too
much
on
at
least
other
meeting
times
and
and
other
you
know,
agendas
and
staff
reports
and
all
that
other
fun
stuff.
So
we
could
do
something,
then
I
would
just
have
to
figure
out
make
sure
I
mean
do
thursdays
generally
work
or
we
could
make
it
that
other
time
beautiful
calendar
here,
full
tuesday.
If
that,
what
would
people
like
better?
D
L
Well,
I'm
the
only
one
with
my
camera
on
right
now
so
I'll
just
respond,
and
then
I
hope
that
other
people
will
too,
oh
my
god,
but
I
don't
have
a
strong
preference
date
because
as
long
as
it's
far
enough
out,
I
can
plan
around
it.
So
it's
other
people's
schedules
are
gonna,
be
a
little
bit
more
mobile
than
mine.
I'm
all
I
have
is
two
dogs
and
a
penchant
for
beers
after
five
o'clock,
so.
G
Like
it
yeah,
no,
I'm
I'm
usually
fine
with
tuesday
thursdays
I
mirror
claire.
I
can
probably
make
anything
fit.
I
just
always
block
off
tuesdays
on
my
calendars.
People
don't
book
things
on
tuesday
afternoons,
but
I'm
down
for
whatever
works
for
everyone
else,
but
just
if
you're
going
to
do
it
that
week
about
the
seventh,
please
thanks.
D
And
I'll
keep
this
in
mind
for
when
we
come
up
with
the
calendar
for
2022,
which
we
sometimes
end,
I
don't
know
it
ends
up
being
like
november
or
december
until
we
get
the
council
calendar
out.
That
sort
of
is
the
first
line,
and
then
we
book
everything
around
there.
Are
you
guys?
Okay
with
I'm
just
gonna,
I
think
not
scheduling
on
a
birthday
is
entirely
legit.
L
It
yeah
I
love
it.
I
I
think
that
these
are
really
great
discussions
and
I
think
we
always
have
interesting
conversations
as
a
result,
so
yeah
and
then,
like
you
say,
andrea,
you
know
like
hopefully,
maybe
next
year,
gathering
and
stuff
will
be
safer
and
we'll
feel
good
about
that.
And
so
then
you
know,
if
that's
the
case,
then,
maybe
hopefully,
maybe
january
or
february
of
of
next
year.
L
We
could
do
like
a
social
hour
with
all
the
commissions
and
and
the
council
members
and
to
the
extent
that
staff
needs
help,
coordinating
or
planning
or
doing
any
of
that
stuff.
I'm
happy
to
do
that.
I
think
it's
it's
a
really
valuable.
The
the
one
time
I
attended
one
I
felt
like
it
was
incredibly
valuable
to
get
the
opportunity
to
talk
to
other
commissioners
and
everything.
So
I
would
love
to
bring
that
back.
D
Yeah
and
the
on
that
note,
I
think,
we'll
kind
of
and
with
that,
since
we're
about
the
end
here,
I
kind
of
made
alluded
to
it
in
our
our
regular
meeting
on
tuesday
but
yeah.
You
know
the
city
is
essentially
given
a
september
7th
reopening
date
for
staff
members
to
be
back
in
the
office
and,
as
I
mentioned,
you
know
with
some
of
these
restrictions
lifting
and
if
they
stay
depending
on
what
happens,
we
lose.
D
D
D
I
think
it's
it's
brought
an
interesting,
dynamic
and,
and
it
has
allowed
us
to
organize
things
in
a
way
that
I
didn't
think
was
possible
and
I
love
being
able
to
be
done
and
then
I
just
go
down
and
and
pick
up
my
kid
too.
So
that's
that's
been
helpful
too.
Instead
of
you
know
fighting
traffic
or
getting
on
the
bus,
but
but
that
you
know
it
will
be
going
back
to
in
person
and
and
this
retreat
in
december,
I'm
not
sure
if
it'll
be
in
person
or
if
it'll
be
virtual.
D
I
hope
you
know
we
have
some
new
tools
available
to
us
to
use,
to
meet
and
and
we'll
see
kind
of
where
things
end
up,
but
once
again
just
to
put
that
on
your
radars
and
for
new
commissioners,
who's
never
met
in
council
chambers,
which
I
think
is
now
almost
half
of.
You
is
it's
at
room
317
in
city
hall,
and
I
think
there's
you
guys
get
parking
vouchers
I'll
figure
that
out
later
and
as
for
our
clerk
situation,
I've
mentioned
it
a
little
bit.
D
D
We
have
rachel
who
runs
our
staffs
in
clerkstar
meetings
virtually
and
will
be
in
person,
and
then
she
kind
of
handles
all
the
comments
right
up
until
a
week
before
the
meeting
and
stuff
like
that
and
we'll
hand
things
to
you,
but
then
and
pretty
much
anything
before
that
is
lisa
baldwin
who
works
for
cped
and
she
kind
of
clerks
behind
the
scenes
and
not
physically
for
the
meetings.
You
know
she
gets
the
notices
out.
She
takes
the
staff
report.
D
She
does
some
of
those
other
duties,
so
we
kind
of
have
to
so
you'll
notice.
I
copy
both
of
them.
If,
if
we
have
some
clerking
related
topic
to
discuss
or
if
I'm
reaching
out
to
one
of
you
about
anything
so
just
fyi
on
that
to
remind
you,
we
kind
of
have
two
clerks
now
and
and
so
far
I
think
it's
been
it's
been
going
well
so,
but
we're
still
kind
of
working
out
some
kinks
in
that
system.
H
B
M
Barbara
I'm
in
the
same
boat
and
I
think
I'll
probably
still
be
working
from
home
likely
and
you
know
I
I
don't
know
the
returning
to
downtown
will
be
interesting.
I
know
a
lot
of
firms
are
in
the
same
boatload,
but
our
our
firm's
looking
at
moving
to
not
be
downtown
anymore
and
then
I'm
not
sure
how
I
would
be
getting
a
meeting
since
I
had
the
advantage
of
walking
across
the
road
and
now
now
that
might
not
be
there
so,
and
I.