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From YouTube: May 4, 2021 Northside Green Zone Task Force
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A
That
the
meeting
is
now
recording.
This
is
the
may
4th
2021
northside
green
zone
task
force
meeting
and
we
don't
quite
have
a
forum
of
northside
greenzo
members
yet
but
I'm
gonna
hand
it
over
to
andrew
to
kick
off
presentations.
While
we
wait
for
forum.
B
Yeah,
hey
guys,
thanks
for
taking
the
time
out
and
the
presenters
here
for
for
joining
us
today
and
just
a
quick
kind
of
agenda
item
we'll
give
about
10
or
15
minutes
for
presentation
and
leave
a
10
minutes
for
a
question
and
answer
so
we'll
hop
right
into
it
and
try
and
stay
as
close
to
schedule
as
possible
and
I'd
like
to
introduce
kate
lammers
to
her
presentation.
So
welcome,
kate
and
the
floor
is
yours.
C
Thank
you
very
much
everybody
thanks
for
having
me
here
so,
as
mentioned,
I'm
caitlin
mars
with
the
park
board,
I'm
a
landscape
architect,
I'm
project
manager,
the
upper
harbor
terminal-
and
I
know
lots
of
you,
but
not
everybody.
Also.
C
I
can't
see
everybody
so
I'm
gonna
present
for
about
10
minutes
and
I'm
just
going
to
go
ahead
and
share
my
screen
here
and
I
should
be
able
to
do
that
right,
kelly,
okay,
okay,
actually,
before
I
do
that,
I'm
going
to
drop
one
thing
quick
into
the
chat,
because
I'm
not
really
that
good
at
teams
yet
and
sharing
things
so.
D
C
Okay,
I
hope
that
isn't
in
there
twice
just
my
name
and
my
contact
information
and
then
the
presentation
today
is
kind
of
a
blend
of
a
couple
of
different
presentations,
and
if
you
wanted
to
look
at
anything
in
more
detail,
I've
just
included
links
to
the
two
presentations,
because
it's
kind
of
spanned
two
meetings
and
that
would
make
a
little
bit
more
sense.
There's
like
narrative
that
goes
with
each
of
the
slides
and
then
a
couple
other
kind
of
important
project,
links
or
documents,
or
something
so
now.
C
All
right,
so
I'm
going
to
go
through
this
kind
of
fast,
because
it's
a
complex
project,
it's
a
lot
of
material
but
obviously,
as
I
noted,
there's
other
material
online
and
then
I
will
be
here
for
questions
so
the
upper
harbor
terminal
project,
if
you're
familiar
with
it,
you
know
that
the
park
is
somewhat
of
a
project
within
a
project.
There's
also
things
going
on
with
the
development
with
mwmo,
with
public
works
with
cped
and
the
developer.
C
So
I'm
really
just
going
to
try
to
over
highlight
the
park
status
today
and
not
get
too
much
into
the
larger
project,
although
I'm
certainly
happy
to
answer
any
questions,
I'll,
just
kind
of
touch
on
some
of
like
community
engagement
and
what
has
happened
since
I
was
at
this
green
zone
meeting
probably
about
a
year
ago,
not
quite
some
of
the
ways
in
which
we're
kind
of
seeing
the
park
and
the
green
zone
work
intersect
that
I
thought
you'd
be
most
interested
and
then
just
a
little
bit
of
kind
of
what
to
expect
coming
up
on
the
project.
C
So
I
think
it
was
probably
last
summer
where
we
were
at
is
that
you
know
we've
been
out
doing
a
lot
of
engagement
talked
to
a
lot
of
different
people
with
a
lot
of
different
partners,
juxta
and
others
hired
from
the
community
to
help
us
connect,
and
we
felt
like
we
needed
to
put
some
designs
on
paper,
so
people
could
kind
of
see
how
much
space
do
things
take
up?
How
do
different
park
amenities
relate
to
each
other.
C
We
still
felt
like
there
was
a
lot
of
questions
and
kind
of
what
is
the
right
perk,
even
sort
of
what
is
the
right
sort
of
the
nature
of
the
park
here
that
people
want
on
the
north
side,
so
I'll
keep
it
fairly
short.
But
you
know
I
think,
last
time,
that's
when
I
was
back
at
the
green
zone
was
to
kind
of
show
you
like
we
had
put
it
on
video,
because
this
was
shortly
after
coveted
hit
to
try
and
make
it
more
accessible.
C
And
I
know
we
got
some
comments
on
it,
but
I
think,
like
I
just
want
to
move
past
it
fairly
quickly,
because
what
we
really
found
doing
this
is
that
I
I
think
we
needed
to
change
our
approach,
maybe
partly
because
of
covid,
but
for
other
reasons,
I
think
the
the
process
didn't
totally
resonate,
because
we
were
just
too
focused
on
kind
of
what
the
physical
aspects
of
a
park
which
is
fairly
typical
for
us
when
we're
doing
a
planning
project.
C
Those
are
some
of
the
major
decisions
we
need
to
make,
but
it
just
felt
like
the
kind
of
what
we
were
asking
wasn't
necessarily
how
people
wanted
to
engage.
So
we
decided
instead
to
try
to
kind
of
slow
down
both
our
engagement
and
the
park,
implementation
and
approach
it
a
little
bit
differently.
C
We
certainly
did
get
some
impact
input
on
those
three
concepts,
it's
kind
of
limited,
because
we
didn't
push
for
it
really
hard
given
kind
of
how
it
was
going.
You
know-
and
this
is
partly
how
we
determined
that
we
needed
to
change
our
approach,
but
we
heard
a
lot
of
things
that
reinforced
what
we
had
previously
heard
about
the
park.
You
know
some
of
the
key
attractions.
C
How
really
important
programming
was.
You
know,
kind
of
a
mixed
approach
on
sort
of
range
of
intensities
and
things
and
a
lot
about
like
you
know,
whatever
we
do,
we
have
to
make
sure
it
works
for
the
north
side
and
that's
that
just
trying
to
do
that
with
a
park
involves
so
many
more
things
than
design,
and
I
think
that's
that's.
What
was
limiting
us.
C
Meanwhile,
on
other
aspects
of
the
project,
if
you
followed
along
kind
of
the
development
in
in
cped's,
work
and
things,
you
know
like
one
of
the
things
that
came
up
a
lot
during
the
park
discussion
was
that
the
adjacent
development
is
just
absolutely
critical
to
this
park,
especially
because,
in
a
lot
of
ways,
this
park
is
19
and
a
half
acres.
C
You
think
about,
like
far
view
falwell
north
commons,
those
all
range
in
the
the
you
know,
low
to
high
20,
acre
parks
and,
and
so
this
park
is
fairly
narrow
along
the
river,
and
it's
just
going
to
be
impacted
a
lot
by
the
adjacent
development
and
the
community
advisory
committee.
I
should
back
up
just
a
second.
The
park
board
is
doing
like
a
wide
variety
of
engagement.
It's
not!
This
committee
is
not.
You
know
intended
to
be
the
community.
C
It's
it's
one
place
for
kind
of
a
group
to
build
longevity
and
and
be
a
deliberation
group
and
have
you
know,
kind
of
a
consistent
perspective
on
the
park.
So
our
community
advisory
committee
has
put
in
a
lot
of
volunteer
hours
almost
two
years
now
to
to
meet
sort
of
semi-regularly
and
provide
input
and
weigh
in
on
things,
and
this
was
one
thing
that
they
felt
really
strongly,
because
they're
able
to
get
a
longer
view
is
that
you
know
there
are
just
so
many
questions
about
the
development
that
impact
the
park.
C
It
just
made
it
very
very
hard
for
anybody
to
kind
of
make
any
real
decisions
on
it,
particularly
the
venue,
but
not
only
the
venue,
and
then
things
related
to
the
development
like
transit
access
and
and
other
improvements.
C
So
one
of
the
things
that
it
kind
of
came
to
was
how
comfortable
does
this
committee
feel
like
making?
They
can
make
recommendations
on,
and
you
know
these.
This
is
what
they're
debating
right
now.
This
was
something
that
we
talked
about
in
a
meeting
a
couple
of
months
ago,
and
then
we
had
to
postpone
our
meeting.
Our
their
final
meeting
is
planned
to
be
thursday
of
this
week
and
there
were
kind
of
three
major
park
directions
that
I
was
hearing
from
them.
C
So
I
tried
to
articulate
it
so
that
you
know
to
kind
of
help
the
discussion,
one,
which
is
a
discomfort
with
actually
proceeding
with
park
developments,
another
which
was
kind
of
more
focused
on
much
more
kind
of
like
minimal
park
developments.
C
But
I
think,
like
fewer
concerns
about
like
making
very
permanent
decisions
or
adding
to
the
risk
of
displacement
in
the
area,
and
the
third
was
kind
of
what
we
call
building
a
just
green
enough
park,
which
is
based
on
an
earlier
discussion
we
had,
which
is
enough
to
really
allow
the
site
to
like
function
as
a
public
place,
support,
programming
and
staffing
and
then
and
part
of
the
rationale
was.
C
That
is
that
our
focus
is
not
on
physical
amenities,
but
really
investing
as
much
as
possible
into
people
in
the
community
and
making
sure
that
it's
a
north
side
park
before
we
kind
of
continue
on
with
more
building
projects.
So
the
difference
is
between
kind
of
options.
Two
and
three-
and
these
are
options
along
the
spectrum,
they're
just
kind
of
points
that
were
articulated
to
try
to
help
discussion.
But
you
know
our
are
something
that's
kind
of
still
being
discussed,
but
that
that's
partly
what
the
discussion
will
be.
C
I
think,
on
thursday,
so
I'm
gonna
go
through
these
kind
of
fast.
This
kind
of
gets
back
into
the
first
option,
but
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
I
just
want
to
make
clear
is
when
what
I'm
hearing
from
community
members
about
discussing
about
not
proceeding
with
park
developments,
it's
not
that
people
don't
want
to
park
or
that
people
feel
like
the
north
side
doesn't
deserve
a
really
great
park.
C
I
think
it
was
a
discomfort
whether
some
of
the
the
wider
strategies
are
in
place
to
kind
of
prevent
displacement,
and
so
is
the
park
happening
too
soon,
and
I
think
you
know
is
a
very
real
and
legitimate
question
and
point
to
be
discussed.
I
just
want
to
clarify
that,
because
I
think
it
often
gets
gets
overlooked
or
misunderstood
when
we
talked
a
little
bit
about
kind
of
park
direction
too.
This
just
shows
some
of
the
basic
things
that
are.
You
know
baseline
commitments.
C
The
park
board
has
already
made
that
you
know
if,
if
we're
assuming
that
we're
going
ahead
with
the
park,
these
things
would
kind
of
need
to
be
done
and
that's
like
connection
in
off
of
dowling
avenue,
a
path
to
the
river
pathways
along
the
river.
C
Some
cleanup
of
the
industrial
site-
and
I
know
this
is
probably
hard
to
see
or
a
little
hard
to
understand,
just
kind
of
given
the
complexity
of
the
project,
but
like
removal
of
a
lot
of
the
domes
and
like
this
old
industrial
infrastructure
and
a
lot
of
vegetation
restoration
returning
it
to
like
native
vegetation
that
will
support
a
much
better
river
ecology
and
things,
and
then
our
I.
I
think
people
were
having
a
little
bit
of
a
hard
time
kind
of
with
the
the
really
higher
level
graphics.
C
So
I
asked
our
designers
to
just
kind
of
put
together
on
scale
like
this
is
the
sort
of
thing
that
you
might
see
with
something
like
that
now
clearly,
this
is
like
mostly
vegetation.
It's
not
really
so
much
of
a
park
amenity.
So
I
would
say
that
like
something
like
this
probably
falls
into
what
the
park
board.
Often
calls
a
linear
park
which
is
like
a
place
where
trails
go
through
an
area.
C
You
might
stop
and
sit
on
a
bench
for
a
while.
But
there's
not
like
a
lot
of
stuff
happening
there.
It's
it's
really
kind
of
a
pass-through
place
and
in
general
I
think,
like.
We
would
have
a
lot
of
concerns
about
this
as
as
a
forever
design,
but
it's
something
that
I
think
people
have
brought
up
as
like
maybe
an
interim
solution.
So
the
third
option
is
kind
of
the
just
green
enough
park.
That's
the
one
we've
certainly
like
explored
the
most,
and
that
is
the
current
direction
from
the
board,
the
elected
officials.
C
So
if
there
was
going
to
be
a
major
change
in
direction
like
stopping,
that
would
need
to
come
from
the
elected
officials.
So
I
think
what
we
want
to
do
is
have
the
cac
members.
You
know
kind
of
finish
their
discussion.
They
make
a
recommendation
or
sort
of
make
their
voices
heard
to
the
park
board
and
then
the
park
board
has
to
has
to
look
at
the
entire
sort
of
situation.
C
But
in
general
you
know
the
the
charge
to
me
as
staff
and
in
the
charge
has
been
that
you
know
we're
we're
building
a
park
and
we
have
to
figure
out
the
right
kind
of
park
to
build.
So
where
we've
gone
with
community
discussion.
C
Is
this
idea
of,
like
you
know,
starting
not
necessarily
when
we
say
just
green
enough
like
not
very
green
or
not
like
a
bad
park
or
anything
but
really
kind
of
a
focus
on
very
flexible
changeable
spaces
that
allow
us
to
sort
of
really
get
it
started
and
then
really
focus
over
the
next
five
years
on
making
that
deliberate
connection
to
the
north
side
through
programming
and
staffing.
So
I'm
going
to
just
talk
about
that
a
little
bit
more
as
I
go
through
these.
B
Kate,
I
just
wanted
to
give
you
a
just
a
heads
up
here
as
as
far
as
timing
is
concerned.
If,
if
you
want
to
give
it
a
couple
more
minutes
on
the
presentation,
then
we
can
open
up
for
questions
after
that,
but
just
to
keep
us
on
track
here.
C
Yeah
definitely
so
so
like
when
we
talk
about
a
linear
park.
Oftentimes,
you
know
what
we're
talking
about
is
kind
of
providing
basic
circulation.
Like
parkway
trails,
you
see
this
section
a
lot
a
lot
of
restoration
along
the
river.
These,
I
am
definitely
going
to
go
through
pretty
fast.
This
is
a
graphic.
C
The
development
is,
of
course,
to
be
determined
in
the
background,
but
it
kind
of
shows
like
what
you
would
expect
in
a
lot
of
areas
of
the
park,
which
is
basically
spaces
sort
of
naturalized
spaces
for
people
to
pass
through
along
the
river
when
a
lot
of
people
have
asked
like
what
I
mean
when
I
talk
about
restoration,
we're
really
talking
about
like
cleaning
the
land
in
the
water.
Most
the
soil
is
not
particularly
contaminated,
but
you
know
we
would
do
some
soil
remediation.
C
Some
of
the
things
that
come
up
when
we
talk
about
kind
of
a
park
that,
if,
if
we
want
to
support
this
as
more
of
a
gathering
space,
we
definitely
need
a
certain
minimum
number
of
things
for
it
to
really
function.
Things
like
bathrooms,
things
like
shelter,
staff
space.
You
know
parking
lights,
those
sorts
of
things,
but
we
can
do
things
like
use
a
mobile
building.
That
can
be
a
high
quality
space,
but
we
can
pick
up
and
move
you
know
in
five
years
or
15
years.
C
If
we
feel
like
you
know,
the
park
design
needs
to
evolve.
Just
because
there's
a
lot
that's
uncertain
about
the
area.
Some
of
the
things
that
we
would
probably
recommend,
including
are
the
most
commonly
requested.
Things
is
just
a
place
for
people
to
gather
picnic
cookout.
You
know,
play
grill,
have
some
shade
things
like
that
connect
with
the
river,
so
we
could
do
like
kind
of
a
fairly
simple
water
access
where
you
could
definitely
put
in
a
small
watercraft,
but
also
places
to
just
go
down
and
sit.
C
You
know
a
flexible
lawn
in
a
flexible
paved
area
can
support
all
different
kinds
of
programming
from
movies
in
the
park
to
picnics
to
you
know
like
group
fitness
to
markets,
and
then
you
know,
we've
talked
about
this
big
really
being
a
staff
heavy
park,
especially
because
the
park
board
does
have
a
lot
of
local
employment
programs,
particularly
for
people
who
are
who
are
getting
into
green
infrastructure.
Jobs
may
be
focused
around
the
river
ecology
and
storm
water,
so
we
would
really
need
some
storage
a
place
to
be
messy.
C
It's
hard
to
see
those
like
green
houses
in
the
background
and
a
place
to
like
kind
of
garden
and
teach
staff,
and
that
could
also
like
kind
of
be
an
interesting
learning
interpretive
opportunity
for
the
community
and
then
kind
of
one
of
the
biggest
things
is
to
make
sure
that,
like
things
are
very
flexible.
So
it's
a
little
hard
to
see
here
but,
like
you
know,
the
spaces
that
we
set
up
things
can
be
relatively
easily
moved
as
opposed
to
locating
like
a
big
permanent
building
somewhere
or
something.
C
We
would
plan
that
this
park,
you
know,
could
be
changed
without
without
moving
something
huge
and
expensive
in
the
future.
Whoops
just
some
kind
of
thoughts
on
like
you
know
what
a
just
green
enough
park
might
feel
like
to
kind
of
keep
it.
What
we've
heard
is
that
that
the
river
should
dominate
we,
we
don't
necessarily
want
what
we're
building
to
dominate
the
river.
It
should
be
the
opposite,
and
then
this
is
a
whole
topic
on
its
own.
C
But
you
know
when
we
talk
about
park
construction,
we're
really
looking
at
trying
to
approach
this
differently
and
use
construction
itself
as
opposed
to
something
that
happens
after
engagement,
use
aspects
of
the
construction
as
continuation
of
engagement
and
also
kind
of
start,
that
site
activation
and
programming
with
the
construction
itself.
And
so
we
have
some
of
that
going
on
this
summer,
where
we're
looking
at
doing
some
youth
jobs
with
indigenous
architecture,
some
building
some
furniture
building,
some
local
planting
and
trying
to
source
from
local
growers
and
things.
C
C
So
basically,
the
rest
this
year
is
going
to
be
mostly
planning
there
wouldn't
be
any
final
approvals
by
the
park
board
until
after
the
aur
or
the
environmental
review,
which
the
city
of
minneapolis
is
leading
would
be
done.
So
probably
any
final
decisions
on
what
will
happen
in
the
park
will
happen
around
the
end
of
this
year
or
early
next
and
construction
would
start
in
2022,
probably
in
the
summer
or
the
fall,
but
some
of
that
is
sort
of
to
be
determined.
So
that
is
it
I
don't
know.
B
E
I
have
a
I
have
a
question:
okay,
so
you're
going
to
do
an
eaw
and
who,
knowing
that
the
city
has
limited
inspectors
with
this
project,
are
you
using
because
you're
the
park
board?
Are
you
using
your
own
inspectors
for
the
management
of
the
project
or
are
you
combining
it
with
the
city
or
do
you
plan
on
hiring
inspectors
to
oversee
this
project?
My
whole
concern
is
the
soil
management.
E
Everybody
screams,
storm
water,
but
once
the
storm
water
hits
the
soil,
it's
a
whole
another
thing
and
it's
two
different
entities-
and
I
know
the
changes
that
has
happened
with
the
permits,
so
I'm
just
having
a
thing
about
the
management
of
the
land.
E
So
that's
my
question
is:
are
you
using
a
eaw
or
aurd
or
what?
What
are
you
using?
Because
I
know
you
said
environmental
statement
or
evaluation?
So
I
just
it's
a
big
difference
between
the
two.
C
Yeah,
no,
it's
the
environmental
review
process,
so
it's
actually.
The
environmental
review
is
largely
being
done
by
the
city
and
I
think
I
think
they're
going
to
be
talking
coming
to
the
green
zone
and
talking
specifically
about
that
in
the
future.
So
the
park
board
is
not
the
responsible
government
unit,
but
we
definitely
have
a
role,
because
what
we're
doing
will
have
we'll
just
it's.
It's
all
involved
like
like.
Basically,
the
agencies
that
review
the
the
aur
are
gonna
review.
C
The
park
board
work
as
well,
so
that's
just
where
we
need
to
communicate
like
it's
all
kinds
of
things
like.
If,
if
we're
gonna
do
any
grading
near
the
river,
then
we
need
to
communicate
how
we're
making
sure
that
we
protect
the
water
during
that
process,
so
who
actually
monitors
that
things
like
soil
contamination
or
protecting
the
water
or
something
it
kind
of
depends
on
on
what
it
is.
It's
like
like.
C
If
you
look
at
a
project
like
this
there's
going
to
be
like
50
different
steps
involved
in
that
and
each
one
sort
of
has
its
own,
who
pulls
a
permit
to
do
it.
If
there's
a
permit
necessary
who
does
it
and
who
monitors?
Sometimes
that's
the
city,
sometimes
it's
the
park
board
internally,
sometimes
it's
the
dnr.
Sometimes
it's
the
pollution
control
agency.
C
E
E
E
So
I
I
look
at
how
our
land
is
being
managed
and
the
the
effects
or
effects
of
how
things
are
and
the
soil
comes
because
of
how
it's
poor
management
in
minnesota
because
of
the
soil
is
expecting
my
eyes.
And
now
I
have
allergies
in
my
eyes
and
I
can
feel
a
difference,
so
I'm
screaming
at
that
and
I'm
a
human
being-
and
I
know
the
difference
of
my
my
eyes
and
so
that's
why.
E
I
know
what
I
know,
and
so
that's
why
I'm
harping
on
this
type
of
thing
and
as
far
as
who's
inspecting
your
project
and
I'm
gonna
shut
up
from
there.
C
Yeah
and
the
parkway
does
not
have
internal
inspectors
who,
like
our
experts,
necessarily
in
managing
contaminated
soil,
we
usually
hire
higher
people
who
can
help
advise
us
on
that
and
then
oftentimes.
C
G
I
just
wanted
to
reiterate:
I
am
somebody
who
is
on
the
cac
that
kate's
talking
about
and
for
those
of
us
who
are
voting
for
option
number
one,
which
is
to
not
proceed
with
the
perk
right
now.
We
are
really
concerned
about
the
fact
that
the
park
at
this
point
in
time
would
not
be
getting
built
for
the
north
side.
G
G
H
Can
you
hear
me
yes?
Well,
I
just
kind
of
wanna,
reiterate
kind
of
like
michelle
and
folks
have
been
talking
about
that.
You
know
the
the
park
board
has
really
been
hiding
behind
the
backs
of
the
city.
You
can't
have
it
both
ways.
You
can't
lead
and
follow,
and
yet
you
conveniently
position
yourselves
to
be
the
good
guy
good
cop,
bad
cop,
and
this
is
just
another
example
there
wouldn't
be.
This
whole
question
of
environmental
review
has
been
something
that
folks
from
the
community
have
had
to
argue.
H
H
I
don't
even
I
still
can't
get
their
their
acronym
straight,
but
you
know
instead
of
leading
the
park
board,
has
has
always
been
following
and
it's
been
a
convenient
place
to
hide
behind,
so
that
you
know
if
it
fails
or
succe,
it
seems
to
be
more
a
convenient
ploy
in
case
it
fails,
rather
than
helping
safeguard
and
guarantee
with
the
residents
of
this
community
that
the
project
has
as
a
as
long-term
ramifications
and
success,
and
so
again
it's
another
rush
to
judgment,
another
effort
to
really
instead
of
slow
down
and
make
sure
that
we
build
back
better
that
its
equity
and
inclusion
is
involved.
H
If
you
start,
if
you
start
from
a
a
place
of
of
of
toxicity,
then
you'll
end
up
with
toxicity,
and
so
this
whole
plan
and
effort
is
really
you
know
from
my
perspective,
has
been
continues
to
be
really
a
false.
A
dead-end
street.
H
F
F
You
know
the
long
time
players
in
this
land
along
the
river
for
a
while,
and
so
I
will
just
say
that
I
I
appreciate
what
kate
has
done,
because,
honestly,
I
feel
like
she's
done
really
the
best
she
can
with
this
whole
situation
and
the
fight's
not
over
about
upper
harbor
terminal.
F
I
think
there's
a
lot
that
still
needs
to
be
done
and
said,
but
it
just
depends
on
like
who
wants
to
continue
that.
So
I
don't
know
I
I'm
interested
and
I'm
constantly
involved.
So
I
would
love
to
still
talk
with
people
around.
F
F
B
Well,
thank
you.
Thank
you
both
and
thank
you,
everyone
for
their
for
their
contribution
on
that.
B
I
think
later
tonight,
in
the
meeting
we'll
have
an
opportunity
to
talk
about
a
few
more
of
the
the
action
items
we
want
to
or
we
we
can
put
together
and
and
roxanne
appreciate
you
opening
the
floor
on
that
a
little
bit,
but
as
far
as
kate
and
her
presentation,
it
sounds
like
voices
have
been
have
been
been
heard
to
some
degree
here
today
and
we'll
talk
more
about
it
later
on
on
what
we
want
to
do
as
a
group
but
kate.
B
Thank
you
for
the
presentation
here
today
and
thank
you
for
for
meeting
us
in
the
group
here
today.
C
Thanks
for
having
me
and
yep
as
roxanna
as
you
had
mentioned,
this
project
has
been
going
on
for
a
long
time.
It
is
just
impossible
to
cram
too
much
into
a
10-minute
presentation
and
everything.
C
So
if,
if
you
want
to
get
a
little
bit
more
information
about,
what's
going
on,
feel
free
to
contact
me
and
also
the
work
is
not
done
by
any
means
and
a
lot
of
the
stuff
that
we're
going
to
be
doing
over
the
summer,
there's
going
to
be
a
lot
more
opportunity
to
dig
into
deeper,
but
I'm
hoping
in
a
more
meaningful
way
than
we
can
often
do
in
like
public
meetings
and
things
like
that,
although
there
will
be
public
engagement
aspects
to
it,.
B
I
Great
thank
you.
I
want
to
just
give
you
I'm
the
principal
planner
with
the
mississippi
watershed
management
organization.
I'll,
give
you
a
quick
background
on
our
organization.
If
you're
not
familiar
with
us,
we're
a
local
unit
of
government,
we're
separate
from
the
city
of
minneapolis.
We
have
our
own
state
statute
that
governs
what
we
do.
We
focus
on
improving
natural
resources
in
this
very
urban
watershed
we
have
specifically
we
work
towards
improving
habitat
water
quality
and
reducing
flooding.
I
So
on
we're
here
today,
because
we've
been
working
with
the
city
of
minneapolis
park
board
and
development
team
on
ideas
around
stormwater
for
upper
harbor
terminal,
and
we
sent
out
some
background
prior
to
this
meeting,
a
pamphlet
to
introduce
some
of
the
ways
we
are,
how
we
think
about
parts
and
pieces
of
what
we
call
green
and
blue
storm
water
infrastructure.
I
Maybe
you
had
a
chance
to
take
a
look
at
that,
but
the
presentation
today
does
add
on
to
this
base
of
information,
and
ultimately
our
interest,
in
speaking
with
this
group
today,
is
to
gauge
your
and
the
community's
level
of
interest
into
in
talking
about
stormwater
and
habitat
at
upper
harbor
terminal.
That's
even
on
your
radar
or
something
you
have
an
interest
in
pursuing
a
discussion
around
also
here
is
bruce
jacobson
landscape,
architect.
That
mdmo
has
hired
for
this
work
as
well,
as
I
think
nathan
from
bar
engineering
is
joining.
I
Okay,
well,
if
no
questions
at
this
time
is
certainly
asked
to
take
him
later,
bruce
bruce
wants
to
start
a
presentation.
I
also
put
my
contact
information
in
the
chat
for
those
who
want
to
reach
out
to
me
afterwards.
J
J
J
Now:
okay,
hello,
everyone,
we're
hoping
that
this
is
our
first
opportunity
kind
of
opening
the
door
for
future
sessions
where
we
can
listen
and
hear
ideas
and
your
thoughts,
not
so
much
us
talking
at
you,
so
I'm
gonna
just
move
forward
quickly.
As
we
all
know,
there's
been
so
many
things
on
people's
minds,
far
more
important
than
than
much
of
what
I
have
to
say
as
you
well
know,
but
thank
you
so
much
for
your
time.
Green
and
blue
infrastructure
is
not
the
only
thing.
J
Obviously
it's
not
the
only
ingredient
in
what's
going
on
at
upper
harbor,
but
we
do
believe
that
it
has
something
to
say
about
these
things
in
the
upper
part
of
the
screen,
and
these
are
just
the
beginnings.
This
is
not.
We
don't
own
this
list,
it's
just
a
way
to
start
the
conversation
about
how
we
can
influence
these
things.
J
But,
looking
through
the
equity
lens,
where
everybody's
talking
about
equity
in
one
way
or
another,
we're
using
policy
link,
the
equity
manifesto
is
just
one
definition
as
a
placeholder
here,
but
we
really
need
to
understand
how
people
are
thinking
about
this
and
what
it
really
means
to
them
personally
and
how
it
really
affects
daily
lives.
This
is
about
people,
this
isn't
just
about
definitions
and
making
sure
that
we
are
trying
to
reach
an
immediate
understanding,
so
we
can
move
forward.
This
is
really
about
a
much
longer
conversation
next
slide.
Please.
J
And
toward
that
end,
whether
the
issues
and
challenges
and
the
just
the
current
events
and
ongoing
what
I
call
shock
waves
here,
whether
it's
systemic
racism
or
the
pandemic
economic
disparities,
homelessness,
all
these
other
things
it's
at
the
very
least
right
now
a
call
to
action.
This
is
a
huge
opportunity
and
we
don't
upper
harbor
should
be
best
in
class.
It
should
showcase
the
best
we
can
do
together,
not
just
moving
forward
with
some
kind
of
development.
J
The
only
lasting
truth
really
is
change,
and
we
need
to
embrace
that
next
slide,
there's
so
much
to
learn
from
out
there.
We
all
know
this.
It's
a
huge
opportunity
and
also
a
frustration
that
not
more
of
this
is,
is
coming
to
the
table
right
now.
There's
so
much
happening
out
there,
not
just
reports
and
studies
and
dissertations
and
academics,
but
people
are
delivering
real
projects
and
really
truly
affecting
people's
daily
lives
right
now,
whether
it's
coming
through
the
democracy,
collaborative
policy
link,
city,
lab
brookings
and
much
else,
black
space
manifesto
is
right.
J
There
center
stage
moving
at
the
speed
of
trust.
This
isn't
about
setting
a
timeline
and
isn't
about
how
many
meetings
we
have.
This
is
about
building
a
conversation,
building
momentum
around
ideas,
but
there's
so
much
to
learn
from,
and
there
are
successful
projects
in
atlanta,
philadelphia,
cleveland,
milwaukee,
los
angeles,
new
york
and,
unfortunately,
almost
everywhere,
except
here
next.
C
J
J
So
we're
here
to
talk
about
green
and
blue,
and
I
don't
want
to
get
immersed
in
what
we
think
green
and
blue
infrastructure
is.
There
is
a
working
definition,
that's
sort
of
called
together
from
lots
of
different
definitions
that
are
out
there,
that
to
talk
about
natural
and
man-made
features,
and
we've
used
this
slide
a
lot
as
this
sort
of
integration
of
development
and
site
and
water
and
other
systems,
but
in
the
dialog
boxes
that
we've
added
to
these
slides.
There
are
questions,
and
these
are
the
takeaways-
is
that
it
looks
nice.
J
J
Who
really
is
is
realizing
the
value
of
this
kind
of
work.
Next
slide.
J
This
is
really
looks
complicated
and
everything,
but
the
takeaway
really
is:
we've
worked
with
this
diagram.
On
the
left
hand,
side
of
the
slide
is
a
feel-good
diagram
that
everybody
sees
triple
bottom
line.
So,
if
you're,
addressing
social,
cultural
and
environmental
and
economic
issues,
and
so
forth,
sort
of
the
traditional
view
is
that
they're.
In
balance,
the
circles
are
the
same
size
and
it
used
to
say
community
in
the
middle
of
the
circles
there
or
health.
J
But
the
reality
is
the
diagram
on
the
right
hand,
side
of
the
slide.
We
believe
that
a
closer
look
says
that
there's
a
much
different
focus
and
it's
all
about
economics,
it's
all
about
money
and,
while
we've
held
sort
of
our
own
environment,
although
the
last
four
years,
we've
backslid
some,
but
the
social
cultural
issues
have
continued
to
be
pushed
into
the
closet
pushed
into
the
background
and
the
equity
discussion
is
a
pinpoint
it's
just
really.
J
J
We
know
that
we
are
using
up
more
than
our
planet's
worth
of
resources,
so
the
goal
of
getting
down
below
our
resource
budget
line
that
this
graphic
is
is
suggesting
is
we
have
to
be
really
creative?
We
have
to
work
together
to
figure
out
how
we
can
live
within
our
resource
budget.
The
next
slide
is
really
crucial.
K
J
But
the
focus
really
needs
to
be
on
how
this
will
improve
people's
daily
lives,
and
we
believe
again
that
green
and
blue
infrastructure
has
something
to
say
about
how
I
can
deliver
a
variety
of
health
benefits,
how
it
has
something
to
say
about
career
pathways
and
job
creation,
not
just
I
don't
have
anything
against
trades
or
a
set
of
skills
or
whatever
but
career
pathways
that
take
you
into
design
and
management
and
and
ownership
and
policy
making
and
much
else
that
we
have
something
to
say
about
reduced
energy
costs,
locally
grown
food,
business
and
property
ownership
captured
revenue
and
who
gets
it
and
much
else.
J
There
are
multiple
benefits
that
should
be
realized
by
the
nearby
neighborhoods.
How
do
we
capture
that
and
keep
it
where
it's
needed
next
slide?.
J
I
have
three
quick
examples
here
of
different
aspects
of
green
and
blue:
I'm
not
going
to
drill
down
too
deeply
here,
but
this
is
an
example
of
green
and
blue
infrastructure,
just
as
a
framework,
the
visual
and
physical
framework
that
defines
how
all
these
things
are
connected.
So
you
see
green
and
blue
as
this
continuous
connectivity
of
public
places
and
surface
water
elements
that
serve
multiple
functions,
it's
really
asking
and
answering
the
question
about
what
else
can
it
do
next
slide?
J
This
slide
takes
a
specific
piece
of
what's
going
on
over
at
tower
side,
where
we're
examining
innovative
versus
conventional
solutions.
This
is
stormwater
park
in
the
upper
image
there.
This
is
an
actual
photograph
of
the
ribbon
cutting
when
it
opened
and
the
kids
playing
within
the
park
and
that
it
also
serves
a
function
of
collection,
filtration
cleaning,
the
water,
storage
and
reuse,
so
innovative
design
solutions
prevent
promote
efficient
use
of
land.
Save
costs
have
additional
education,
interpretive
benefits
and
much
else
next
slide,
I'm
getting
close
to
the
end,
I'm
hurrying.
J
Is
heritage
park
and
we
can
show
some
others.
I
just
chose
this
one,
but
it's
the
difference
between
district
systems
and
site
by
site.
Site-By-Site
is
kind
of
a
traditional
approach
where
every
single
site,
every
single
property
owner,
has
to
deal
with
their
stormwater
on
their
own
site.
What
we're
really
promoting
is
shared
stormwater
management
systems,
both
public
properties
and
private
properties.
They
eliminate
small,
disconnected
single
site
solutions.
They
have
much
greater
benefits
related
to
ecological
and
people,
health
benefits
and
much
else.
Next,.
J
J
Oh
mine's
slower,
I
don't
know
why,
so
is
this
the
one
that
shows
upper
harbor.
L
J
I
got
it
so
we
started
out
with
some
very
simple
diagrams
and
we
really
haven't
moved
very
far.
Other
aspects
of
the
development
have,
but
we're
still
focusing
on
on
how
this
design
must
recognize
unique
community
context
it's
more
than
just
48
acres.
It's
the
neighborhood.
This
is
the
community's
front
porch
on
the
river.
How
do
we
connect
people
to
the
mississippi
river
valley?
J
The
watershed
management
organization
is
now
putting
that
aside
and
saying:
let's
move
forward
with
our
own
community
engagement
piece-
I
don't
like
that
phrase,
but
how
do
we
really
connect?
How
do
we
hear
your
ideas
and
so
forth?
So
let's
go
to
the
last
slide.
J
So
it
really
is
a
question
of
how
are
we
doing
so
far?
There's
been
so
much
discussion
in
these
coordinated
plans
and
much
else
are
we
really
honoring
history
and
culture?
Are
we
really
healing
the
land
and
talking
about
people,
health
and
people's
lives?
Have
we
really
worked
through
mechanisms
that
do
create
wealth?
Are
we
connecting
everything
as
as
best
we
can?
Is
this
really
promoting
excellence?
There's
a
lot
of
discussion
around
those?
J
Certainly
these
are
teaser
questions,
we're
hoping
that
we
have
a
chance
to
talk
with
you
guys,
not
even
but
to
listen
to
how
you
guys
are
thinking
about
this.
What
is
your
understanding
experience
with
green
and
blue
infrastructure?
Do
you
have
other
examples
of
where
and
how
this
has
worked?
Do
you
have
specific
concerns
about
outcomes
or
unintended
consequences,
really
trying
to
understand?
What's
important
to
you?
Maybe
none
of
this
is
given
the
times
that
we're
in
and
so
forth.
Maybe
this
is
a
postponement
for
more
important
issues,
but
are
you
interested
in
habitat?
J
B
Oh,
thank
you
bruce.
I
think,
we'll
open
it
up
to
questions.
Let's
use
that
same
format.
If
you
have
a
question
to
put
your
hand
up
and
kelly,
and
I
will
work
to
get
you
called
on
and
unmute
go
ahead.
A
E
A
I
have
a
question,
so
everybody
wants
to
be
on
this
project
to
help
the
north
side
and
we
have
this
buffer
law
that
was
done
by
governor
dayton
and
there's
still
controversy
in
the
parks
over
north
minneapolis
about
the
buffer.
But
then
everybody
wants
to
come
and
manage
something
new
over
north
when
you're
not
managing
what
you
already
have
and
I'm
very
confused
and
I'm
very
upset,
and
everybody
makes
all
these
glamorous
plans
how
everything
is
supposed
to
look.
E
But
at
the
end
of
the
day
you
you
have
poor
management
of
the
things
that
you
have
you.
You
don't
take
care
of
what
you
already
have
and
then
you
want
to
come
in
the
north
side
of
minneapolis
and
you
talk
about
jobs,
but
the
jobs
aren't
there
for
those
that
are
unskilled
to
help
on
the
project
or
really-
and
you
say
now,
you're
trying
to
communicate
with
us-
and
you
never
thought
about
us.
But
you
want
to
bring
your
projects
where
we
live
and
I'm
just
very
confused
of
at
the
end
of
the
day.
E
I
know
you're
with
these
organizations
and
you
can't
speak
and
that
kind
of
upsets
me
and
that's
why
I
don't
work
in
these
certain
sectors,
because
I
can't
voice
my
opinion
for
my
community.
The
way
I
do
in
the
way
that
I
was
trained
and
so
my
trained
mind
says
how
come
you
if
you
make
all
these
proposals
to
us
and
what
you
want
to
do
with
your
provision.
E
F
Do
you
have
some
specific
examples
that
maybe
you
could
bring
up
so
that
we
can
all
kind
of
be
informed.
E
To
speak
I'll
say
this:
on
50
on
highway,
55
bassett
creek
is
over
there
and
it's
managed
by
the
park
and
the
the
homes
that
are
over
there
offer,
I
think
that's
park,
avenue
or
eighth,
but
down
that
way
where
basset
creek
meets
there's
supposed
to
be
a
buffer
to
protect
those
people's
homes
who
flood
in
the
backyard
and
the
park
board.
I
sat
in
the
watershed
for
fast
freak.
E
Okay,
my
thing
is
beacon,
but
anyway
I
sat
there
and
they
were
arguing
who
was
gonna
put
these
buffers
dayton.
If
you
look
up
the
buffer
law
for
the
state
of
minnesota
for
the
waterways
and
things
it
would
help
prevent
some
of
this
flooding
and
the
park
boards
and
the
watershed
that
work
together
that
hide,
as
michael
called
them
out
on
deck
that
they're
not
even
managing
what
we
have
and
how
can
we
trust
them
to
come
in
to
our
community
to
manage
the
land
that
they
already
have
in
our
community.
E
Like
I
said,
the
soil
has
changed,
everything
is
changing
and
if
you
don't
walk
amongst
it,
you
won't
notice
it.
Regardless
of
the
shootings
and
all
that
we
live
there.
We
have
to
breathe
the
air
and
everything
and
that's
what
we're
about
change
and
everybody
sugar
coats.
Everything
stop
sugarcoating
to
us,
we're
educated
and
we
can.
What
we
don't
know.
Google
is
our
best
friend,
so
I'm
done
yeah.
I
Yeah,
you
know,
that's
I
mean
those
are.
Those
are
real.
I
mean
that's
a
justified
real
issue
right
and
that's
from
the
mwmo.
We
don't.
We
are
non-regulatory.
Nor
do
we
own
any
land.
Nor
are
we
at
ms4,
meaning
that
we
don't
own
any
sanitaries
or
stormwater
sewer
systems.
We
don't
manage
them,
we
don't
maintain
them.
None
of
that's
within
our
regulatory
or.
E
Cannot
can
I
actually
just
let
me
interrupt
you,
you
are
stewards
to
the
land.
Your
job
now
go
into
your
job
description.
Now,
let
me
tell
you,
you
are
human
and
you
are
a
steward
to
this
land.
That
means
that
we
all
have
a
responsibility
to
this
land.
Don't
give
me
the
on
the
sugar
coating
there
you
go
shouldn't
it
couldn't
again.
We
are
stewards
and
you
work
in
these
sectors
that
I
refuse
to
so
I
can
speak
freely
and
don't
hide
behind.
That's
why
I
hate
breaking
off
the
groups
cause.
E
Don't
nobody
want
to
say
anything.
You
live
in
our
community
and
you
know
how
it
goes.
Don't
play
sugar
and
don't
play
crazy.
Everything
circulates
on
the
planet
and
you're
perfect,
just
like
we
are
on
the
north
side,
so
make
it
right
for
us
don't
be
coming
here,
and
I
have
to
say
this
because
it's
passion
to
me
because
this
is
where
I
live-
don't
come
in
damaging
it,
because
it's
a
part
of
you
too.
E
So
you
are
a
steward
and
I
understand
you
got
to
play
the
rules
and
and
be
the
devil's
advocate
when
it
comes
to
us,
but
understand
this.
The
green
zone
has
changed
and
we're
educating
like
I
said.
Google
is
our
best
friend
and
I
hate
to
be
all
hyped
up,
but
please
stop
sugar
coating
it
to
us
and
keep
it
real.
I
Right,
well,
all
all
I
want
to,
let
you
know
is
that
we
really
are
here
to
say
we
don't
whether
we
are
part
of
this
project
or
not
doesn't
matter
to
us
from
the
standpoint
of
we're
not
trying
to
put
our
foot
in
the
door
and
keep
the
door
you
from
closing
it.
We're
asking
you,
do
you
want
an
organization
like
ours
to
provide
you
the
understanding
knowledge
of
what
we
do
and
do
you
want
to
consider
that
and
take
that
towards
some
sort
of
design
around
stormwater
habitat
water
quality
around
this
project?
I
We
do
not
need
to
be
here.
We
have
put
11
million
dollars
towards
this
project
as
something
we
as
an
organization.
Thought
would
have
value
for
those
things
that
we
manage
water,
quality,
habitat
and
flooding.
There
isn't
a
flooding
issue
on
this
upper
harbor
site.
So
that's
all
we're
saying
we
I'm
not
here
to
sell
something
or
to
anything
to
this
to
this
community.
This
is
we're
we're
on
the
side
of
yes
protecting
the
resources.
I
We
want
to
build
ephemeral
streams
that
discharge
to
the
river.
You
know
we
want
to
improve
the
quality
of
this
site.
We
want
better
public
spaces
and
healthy
places.
We
don't
know
what
that
looks
like
here.
Unless
we
come
ask
if
people
don't
want
us
here,
we
won't
be
here,
that's
all
there's
to
it.
We.
E
I'm
not
saying
I
really
don't
want
you,
I'm
saying
just
treat
us
right.
Treat
us
like
this.
Is
your
home
too.
That's
all
respect
us,
you
know
we
want
it.
We
want
beauty
in
our
community,
we
want
it
in
different
different
ways,
but
I'm
not
trying
to
say
we
don't
want
you.
I
just
say
when
you
come
come
at
us
like
you
live
there,
treat
us
like.
That's
your
child
treat
us
that
way.
Disrespect
us!
E
That's
all
I'm
asking
and
I'm
saying
about
the
management,
this
a
a
and
the
ea,
all
the
alphabets,
and
all
that
it's
it's.
You
know
mama
jumbo
and
I
did
I
did
I'm
just
saying.
I
just
want
you
just
to
treat
us
right.
That's
all
I'm
saying.
D
I
I
J
B
We're,
oh
sorry,
yep
we're
open
for
questions
to
to
both
bruce
and
dan
right
now,
just
in
regards,
I
think,
to
their
involvement
with
the
park
right
now
and
in
the
planning
of
that
park.
So
again,
there's
there's
there's
more
time
for
discussion
following
the
presentations,
but
I
think
this
is
specific
to
the
information
that
we
just
looked
at
over.
So
thank
you
again,
once
dan
and
bruce
looks
like
marquita.
I
And
I
can
clarify
that
it's
the
land
work,
what
we've
been
proposing
or
with
the
sort
of
concepts
that
we
work
with,
is
actually
to
go
far
beyond
the
park
as
far
as
creating
public
space
and
getting
the
developers
and
others
to
turn
over
land
as
public
spaces.
So
I
mean
our
concept
is
where
there's
not
a
locked
door?
There's
public
space
we
make
it
into
a
much
greater
asset.
I
guess
to
the
community
that
way.
L
Yeah,
thank
you.
I'm
just
I'm
trying
to
understand
the
offer
bruce
and
dan
is
it?
Are
you
offering
this
your
insight
and
expertise
to
the
north
side
green
zones,
or
is
this
a
broader
offer
to
the
entire
planning
committee
like
what?
What
exactly
is?
Are
you
reaching
out
to
the
cat
community
as
well
like?
How
is
that?
How
is
all
that
working.
J
So
we
we
have
been
invited
to
multiple
forums
over
the
past
several
years
through
the
public
works
planning
offices
process
and
have
been
pretty
much
set
aside.
We've
never
had
the
kinds
of
feedback
that
we
really
were
looking
for,
so
we're
really
we're
restarting
and
it
this
was
a
great
opportunity.
It
was
very
timely
to
start
here,
but
it's
going
to
go
as
far
and
wide
as
we
can
make
it.
We
are
looking
for
input.
J
We
are
looking
for
idea
exchange.
We
really
want
it
to
be
directed
by
you.
What
do
you
want
to
learn
about?
What
do
you?
What
what?
What
examples
have
you?
I
mean
we
heard
that
basset
creek,
it's
a
great
example,
but
the
the
process
that
has
gotten
them
to
their
coordinated
plan
didn't
really
include
any
real
discussion
about
green
and
blue
infrastructure.
J
It
was
all
set
aside
for
further
on
down
the
road
or
whatever,
and
so
the
watershed
has
come
forward
and
said:
let's,
let's
reach
out
and
see
if
we
can
begin
a
process,
I
love
the
idea.
It's
like
our
home
too.
It's
like
our
child.
J
D
H
I
got
a
comment:
go
ahead,
michael
well,
first
of
all,
dan
and
bruce
I'd
like
to
applaud
you
for
this
critical
thinking.
Unfortunately,
the
folks
from
the
developers
didn't
hear
you
didn't
engage.
You
didn't,
involve
you.
Unfortunately,
the
city
of
minneapolis
didn't
involve
you
didn't
engage.
H
I
think
that
this
is
really
the
nuts
and
bolts
of
really
what
we
should
be
talking
about.
Not
throwing
up
the
park,
not
throwing
up
the
buildings
on
the
once
in
a
lifetime
opportunity,
but
really
slowing
down
the
process
as
fortunately
enough,
the
auri
environmental
lawsuit
did
slow
it
down
or
they've
already
would
have
been
building
on
it
and
so
clearly.
For
me,
this
is
really
heart
and
soul
centers
on
the
interest
of
the
community
being
first
informal.
H
Yes,
not
the
interests
of
the
developers,
the
interests
of
the
city
or
the
interests
of
the
park,
but
how
do
we
start
building
from
the
grassroots
up,
and
so
I
certainly
welcome
this
level
of
thought
and
and
co-creation
and
have
several
projects
celestial
garden
project
that
I
would
like
to
include
and
engage
you
as
a
partner
and
some
other
things
that
planning
processes
that
we
are
planning
on,
doing
to
really
demonstrate
to
the
city
demonstrate
to
the
park
and
wreck
that
this
is
how
you
do
it
and
it's
not
the
way
they've
been
doing
it,
that's
ass
backwards,
but
let's
start
from
the
grassroots
and
there's
a
whole
suite
of
activities
that
when
we
start
talking
about
development
of
the
upper
harbor
terminal,
that
should
be
running
a
parallel
with
that
we
could
be
using
this
discussion
to
really
engage
people
around
solar
and
solar.
H
That
should
run
in
parallel
and
simultaneously
to
this
development
or
even
preceding
the
development.
Because,
if
people
see
themselves
benefiting,
then
they
will
see
the
benefit
of
these
projects.
And
so
I
think
you,
finally
something
that
I've
seen
something
that
I'm
hearing
that
really
has
got
it.
J
I
value
the
discussions
we've
had
in
the
past
and
where
we're
going
forward,
I
I
I'm
not
beholding
to
any
city
person
or
department
or
any
other
thing
I
believe
in
what's
right,
and
I
can
only
discover
that
through
listening,
and
I
would
like
to
say
that
I'd
like
your
comments
about
backwards,
because
to
me
all
of
this
should
have
happened
years
ago
before
they
ever
put
a
line
on
a
map
before
they
ever
started.
Drawing
white
boxes
or
the
park
was
19
acres
or
20
acres
or
38
acres
or
whatever
that's
irrelevant.
J
If
we
don't
have
the
front
part
right
and
that
front
part
never
came
out
as
truly
what
leslie
is
referring
to
is
is
the
realness
of
it.
Is
that
this
true
engagement?
That
word
is
so
overused.
It
doesn't
mean
anything
anymore,
but
it
should
to
be
really
engaged
with
the
north
side
and
not
just
throwing
money
at
it
anyway.
I
don't
want
to
pre.
I
sound
like
I'm
preaching,
but
thank
you
for
your
comments.
I
think
I
think
we
still
have
time
to
to
really
influence.
J
G
Thanks
yeah,
I
just
wanted
to
say
I
I
am
definitely
for
this.
Whatever
this
might
be,
you
know
my
council,
member
kevin
reich
had
brought
this
to
a
number
of
north
side
leaders
and
some
of
the
leaders
from
rondo
a
couple
of
years
ago,
and
we
also
had
a
number
of
presentations
from
the
gentleman
from
europe.
G
I
can't
remember
his
name,
yes,
and,
and
it's
really
exciting,
and
I
think
that
you
know
the
main
thing
for
me
is
to
find
out
what
is
it
you
know
like
you're
doing
here,
but
to
have
more
of
a
conversation,
because
right
now
you
know,
I
think,
we're
finding
out
some
good
information
about
what
some
of
the
frustrations
are,
which
you
need
to
hear
too.
G
But
what
is
it
that
northside
community
wants
and
also
to
to
educate
people
about
what
this
infrastructure
is?
Because
you
know
I
I
need
to
know
what
that
I
need
that
education,
so
so
yeah.
I
appreciate
that
and
just
encourage
you
to
go
out
and
engage
people
and
to
ask
them
what
they
want.
B
Well,
thanks
again,
everyone
for
the
input
on
this
I'll
turn
it
over
to
kelly
for
us
moving
the
the
agenda
forward,
but
again
thanks
for
everyone
for
their
participation.
A
You
kate,
dan
and
bruce
for
all
being
here
to
present
vanessa.
Are
you
ready
to
take
us
away
to
officially
start
the
meeting
with
our
roll
call
and
adoption
of
the
agenda
in
minutes.
K
Sure
is
everyone,
okay,
with
the
agenda,
have
you
seen
the
agenda?
Yes,
ma'am,
any
corrections,
anything
you
want
to
change
or
add.
K
I
second
it
it
has
been
moved
in.
Second,
can
you
take
roll
call
for
the
vote
to
accept
the
agenda,
as
is.
A
E
I
F
F
A
Not
hearing
but
we
do
have
a
quorum,
and
so
we
can
conduct
business
and
the
minutes
and
the
agenda
are
approved.
F
Charlie,
I
don't
know
I
can
hear
somebody
breathing
kind
of
hard.
Is
that
just
me
or.
K
No,
it's
the
lady
who
just
made
me
the
next
one
was
the
motion.
That's
her
breathing.
F
Oh
okay,
I
was
just
gonna
say
I
have
to
leave
early
around
6
30..
I
have
a
northern
metals
meeting
tonight
and
it
starts
just
kind
of
have
a
buffer
in
between.
F
K
A
Well,
I
think
it's
over
to
jackie
now
to
tee
up
the
second
half
of
our
meeting.
F
F
E
H
N
Okay,
we're
going
to
keep
it
moving.
I
guess
so
we're
trying
to
continue
the
conversations
that
we
started
at
our
last
meeting.
N
That
was
the
joint
meeting
with
southside
green
zone
about,
I
guess,
community
engagement
and
also
the
air
pollution
conversation
so
kelly's
going
to
kind
of
give
us
a
brief
overview
of
kind
of
the
main
points
that
came
up
in
our
discussion
groups
that
last
time
and
then
everyone's
going
to
pick
which
group
interests
them
because
kelly's
going
to
break
us
out
into
more
groups
and
then
we'll
have
more
group
discussions
and
then
a
report
back.
A
All
right,
can
you
see
this
word
document
with
a
list
of
four
items
on
it?
Yes,
so
this
is
a
summary
of
our
conversation
on
air
pollution,
air
quality,
it's
kind
of
a
compilation
of
some
past
northside
green
zone
conversations
as
well
as
what
came
up
at
the
joint
meeting
with
the
south
side
green
zone
last
month,
and
so
this
was
an
attempt
at
trying
to
kind
of
create
like
focus
areas.
A
You
can
take
these
or
leave
these
add
to
them
subtract
from
them.
This
was
just
sort
of
an
initial
attempt
to
organize,
but
the
idea
is:
how
can
we
start
moving
forward
and
actually
taking
action?
A
So
what
we
have
on
this
list
is
one
kind
of
advancing
policy
and
legislation.
A
few
of
the
things
that
came
up
last
time
was
around
research,
including
one
example
of
you
know.
What
is
the
cost
of
doing
an
air
permit
versus
the
cost
to
human
health
of
the
pollution
that
is
being
emitted
coalition
building?
A
This
could
be
for
statewide
actions
or
for
city
policies,
and
that
coalition
building
could
include
anything
from
working
with
other
advisory
committees
with
city
staff
or
external
partners,
raising
awareness.
A
This
kind
of
goes
both
to
air
pollution
and
to
just
broadening
awareness
of
the
green
zones
generally,
so
that
could
kind
of
be
done
simultaneously
or
it
could
be
specifically
around
certain
policy
and
legislation
and
then
identifying
opposition,
and
that
kind
of
goes
can
kind
of
touch
into
both
of
the
previous
two
sub-bullets
so
again,
so
that
one
kind
of
bucket
is
around
policy
and
legislation.
A
Another,
where
there's
a
lot
of
interest
that
we've
that
has
come
up
really
over
the
last
10
months
or
even
longer,
is
around
ear
monitoring,
and
so
we
had
at
the
joint
meeting
the
presentation
from
wendy
and
julia
around
the
non-expiring
permits.
A
Jenny,
lansing
and
patrick
hanlon
are
on
the
call
tonight
who
can
also
speak
to
additional
air
monitoring
or
sampling
that
the
city
health
department
has
done
and
has
ideas
of
what
further
activities
could
happen,
and
so
they'd
be
happy
to
talk
with
folks
in
if
they're
interested
in
that
topic
enforcement.
This
is
something
we've
heard.
Leslie
bring
up
a
number
of
times.
A
The
idea
of
how
do
we
more
proactively
enforce
the
laws
that
exist
rather
than
having
to
respond
or
have
a
complaint
based
system,
and
then,
if
we
are
still
stuck
with
a
complaint
based
system,
how
do
we
raise
awareness
for
folks
to
know
that
they
can?
They
can
call
in
violations
that
they
see
and
then
the
fourth
bullet
is
more
about
the
broader
community,
engagement
and
awareness
building
of
the
green
zones,
not
so
specifically
on
any
air
quality
specific
issues.
A
So
what
I
was
thinking
is
that
we
could
break
into
small
groups
to
discuss
sort
of
what
could
be
next
steps
or
action
items
for
any
of
these
areas,
and
we
could
do
we
could
take
about
20
25
minutes
to
do
that.
So
I
want
to
see
who's
interested
in
which
group
and
then
I
can
assign
those
breakout
groups
and
we
can
go.
Have
those
conversations.
A
A
And
then
also
on
that
note
so
yeah
we
had
the
park
board
and
mwmo
come
tonight
next
month.
We're
going
to
have
the
planning
department
come
in
response
to
the
letter
that
northside
green
zone
sent
regarding
both
the
auar,
the
environmental
review
and
what's
include
going
to
be
included
in
that,
as
well
as
the
coordinated
plan.
F
H
The
other
thing
that
comes
to
mind
is
we've
already:
we've
been
able
to
get
congresswoman
ilhan
to
formulate
a
green
new
deal
task
force,
and-
and
so
what
that
brings
to
mind
is
what
are
some:
how
do
local
agencies,
businesses,
non-profits
entities
like
green
new,
the
green
zone
task
force?
How
do
we
interface
with
that
statewide
body?
And
what
and
how
do
we
help
define
design
and
operationalize
such
large
picture
footprint,
concepts
and
constructs.
A
B
I
feel
like
we
can,
maybe
just
as
we
don't
want
to
get
spread
too
thin.
We
could
take
away,
maybe
one
of
these.
As
far
as
just
broader
awareness,
I
think
that'll
come
through
what
what
these
other
action
items
might.
D
A
All
right,
so,
if
you
folks
feel
comfortable
now,
selecting
which
group
that
they
want
to
participate.
A
In
so
we
have
policy
legislation,
air
monitoring
and
enforcement,
upper
harbor
terminal
green
new
deal,
and
then,
if
there
are
enough
people
who
do
want
to
talk
about
broader
awareness
building,
there
still
can
be
a
group
that
does
that
so
for
some
for
a
group
to
meet.
We
want
to
have
at
least
three
people
interested
in
that
topic.
Otherwise
we
don't
really
have
a
critical
mass
to
identify
action
items
and
move
forward
so
who
wants
to
start?
Let's
just
run
down
the
list
quickly.
N
I
don't
know
where
the
attendance
is.
Oh.
N
Just
green
zone
members
are
everyone,
everyone,
okay,
there's
a
phone
number
that
ends
in
nine
seven.
Okay,
I
think
that's
georgiana,
okay,
georgia,
anna.
P
N
N
E
D
Fox,
I
could
do
either
the
first
or
the
second
groups.
I'm
kelly.
I
don't
know
if
you
wanted
me
to
if
you
had
one
of
them
in
mind
for.
N
N
F
H
Michael
well,
quite
frankly,
much
of
this
work
on
the
green
new
deal
is
about
policy.
The
the
only
difference
is
that
it's
representative
hornstein
and
u.s
representative
ilhan,
who
are
cheering
on
and
leading
the
discussion.
So
that's
why
I
I
go.
I
go
back
to
the
green
new
deal,
but
you
know
I
guess.
H
If
there's,
if
it's
it's
a
lonely
world
out
there,
I
guess
then
I,
if
forced
to
I
guess
I
would
go
into
the
room
with
policy
only
to
direct
them
to
join
the
green
new
deal.
N
For
me,
roxanne
you're
up.
N
A
Good
job
and
then,
which
group
do
you
want
to
join.
N
A
No,
let's
do
650
to
give
folks
a
good,
20
minutes
and
then
georgiana
says
she's
on
a
phone.
I
can't
reassign,
so
the
upper
harbor
terminal
group
is
going
to
be
in
this
main
room.
So
I'm
going
to
create
three
breakout
groups,
one
for
policy
legislation,
one
for
air
monitoring
and
one
for
broader
awareness.
A
L
B
Michael,
I
had
a
question
for
you
on
on
some
of
that
green
new
deal.
Stuff.
Are
you?
Are
you
leading
some
of
that
community
outreach
as
far
as
how
people
are
getting
involved,
or
are
you
saying
we
should
we
should
collectively
try
and
get
involved
or
or
do
you
have
a
hand
in
kind
of
getting
that
out
into
the
community.
H
Well,
it's
again,
that's
why
I
brought
it
to
this
organization
that
it's
already
in
play.
I
was.
It
was
an
idea
that
I
brought
to
congress,
woman,
ilhan's
office
and
but
there's
this,
this
kind
of
task
force
minnesota's
task
force
that
is
working
on
everything
from
urban
farming
to
to.
H
Things
like
policy
things
like
you
know:
how
do
we
operationalize
and
throw
solar
energy
and
so
yeah
there's
a
number
of
folks
that
have
been
on
it,
but
it
is
it's
an
open
process
open
to
those
who
might
want
to
be
involved,
and
so
again
I
think
that
the
green
new,
the
green
zone
task
force
certainly
should
have
a
place
in
it
or
for
as
a
representative
or
as
interested
parties
to
join
on
their
own.
On
behalf.
B
H
Yeah,
it's
just
getting
it's
just
rolling
out
the
barrel.
Okay,
I
I
will.
If
you
send
me
an
email,
I
will
make
sure
that
you
get
you
or
anybody
else
sends
me
an
email.
I
will
make
sure
that
people
are
aware
of
the
next
zoom
meeting
and
and
folks
can
get
in
where
they
fit
in.
A
A
D
A
No
so
michelle
there's
peggy
georgiana
myself
roxanne,
I
did
assign
you
to
a
group.
Is
it
not
not
sending
you.
F
C
F
Okay,
well
sure
opera
hybrid
might
become
a
contentious
fight
if
the
city
don't
listen
to
her,
but
I
don't
I'd
rather
not
have
a
fight
and
and
I'm
willing
to
connect
with
folks
who
are
still
working
on
it
because
I
just
had
to
take
a
break
because
it's
just
too
much,
sometimes
plus
we
got
no
other
metal
stuff
going
on,
and
I
can
talk
to
y'all
later
about
it,
though,
but
yeah
I
just
found
out
some
things
feel
like
we
should
keep
fighting
I'm
sorry.
I
can't
stay.
A
Roxanne,
if
there
is
information
that
you
want
to
email
to
folks
about
your
the
northern
metals
meeting,
that's
after
this,
you
can
go
ahead
and
either
pop
it
in
the
chat
or
email
it
to
everybody.
Oh
hi.
O
A
Yeah,
I
think,
in
the
short
term,
while
there's
still
longer
term
planning
happening,
that
kate
was
presenting,
that
the
park
at
the
upper
harbor
terminal
would
be
kind
of
limited.
It
wouldn't
like
not
going
to
get
fancy
yet
and
so
in
terms
of
infrastructure
using
like
containers
like
buildings
made
out
of
containers
or
mobile
buildings,
so
that
things
were
flexible
for
future.
More
involved
development
with
the
community.
A
Well:
yeah,
michelle
and
peggy.
What
were
what
inspired
you
to
want
to
talk
about
upper
harbor
terminal
for
this.
G
So
I've
been
a
part
of
this
since
2018
and
I'm
gonna
stick
with
it
until
it's
no
longer
an
issue
so
yeah.
This
is
just
something:
I'm
really
passionate
about
and
making
sure
that
engagement
continues
to
be
the
priority
and
that
it
serves
the
north
side
community.
So
that's
why
I'm
drawn
to
this.
P
So
michelle
this
is
peggy.
Are
you
on
the
the
current
committee
that
was
working
with
philippe?
Are
you
because
there's
so
many
groups
that
are
interested
in
it?
Where,
where
do
you
fit
in
the
big
picture,.
G
G
D
A
O
Well,
I'm
I
kelly,
I
have
another
meeting
at
seven
and
I
have
to
leave
two.
I'm
sorry
about
that.
P
P
A
multi-jurisdictional
project
here
and
I
was
I
was
just
involved
in
the
endorsements
for
the
dfl
environmental
committee
and
or
caucus
I
should
say,
and
in
terms
of
helping
the
folks
that
were
screened
to
be
candidates
and
selected
for
endorsements,
I'm
trying
to
help
them
get
up
to
speed
on
what
the
minneapolis
issues
are
and
kind
of
the
different
players
involved
and
stuff
like
that.
So
so
who
else
is?
P
Who
else
is
in
the
mix?
Here?
I
know
your
friends
fmr,
that's
something
joe
mullery
keeps
talking
about
the
friends
of
the
mississippi
river,
and
then
there
was
the
above
the
falls
and
is
that
still
a
viable
entity,
or
has
that
morphed
into
something
else?.
A
A
A
And
fmr
has
been
very
involved
in
that
committee
in
the
afcac,
the
above
the
falls
community
advisory
committee
over
the
years,
so
I'm
not
exactly
sure
sure
what
specific
role
that
they
play
in
the
upper
harbor
terminal
and
their
relationship
with
the
upper
harbor
terminal
community
advisory
committee
for
the
park
board.
That
would
be
a
good
follow-up
question
for
kate.
So,
if
you
want,
I
could
put
you
in
touch
with
her.
P
I
wrote
down
her
email
address
from
the
chat.
Okay,
perfect,
perfect.
P
What
the
u.s
corps
of
engineers,
the
art
corps
of
engineers,
just
totally
backed
away
from
it,
because
some
writings
that
say
they
think
that
they
need
to
continue
to
be
involved,
because
there
could
be
huge
problems
with
invasive
species
and
stuff
like
that.
If
or
is
that
a
completely
separate
issue
from
the
upper
harbor
terminal.
A
My
my
understanding
is
that
would
matter
based
on
what
happens
with
the
lock
and
dam
this.
If
the
lock
and
dam
remains
closed,
I
would
think
there'd
be
limited
opportunity,
for
I
mean
I
know
at
least
for
invasive
carp,
but
or
asian
cart,
but
that's
a
good
question
and
I
I'm
honestly
not
sure
what
their
role
is
and
will
continue
to
be
so
question.
F
P
A
A
I
don't
think
anything
was
officially
designated,
but
I
do
know
there
was
conversation
at
one
point
about
trying
to
save
some
of
the
the
elements
just
for
like
because
they
I
don't
added
character
but
yeah.
The
the
planning
department
will
have
more
information
about
that.
P
And
so
that
would
all
happen
whenever
this
of
the
the
eaw
or
or
the
what
are
the
ua.
A
That
type
of
environmental
review
is
most
often
used
on
a
like
multi-parcel
site
like
this.
That's
why
it's
called
like
an
area-wide
review,
whereas
an
environmental
assessment,
worksheet
or
environmental
impact
statement
is
usually
on,
like
one
specific
property,
because
this
parcel
is
so
large.
I
think
that's
why
they
chose
to
do
that,
because
it
could
be
more
encompassing.
A
They,
the
city,
just
approved
the
scope
of
it.
I
want
to
say
that
it'll
be
sometime
later
this
year,
but
so
the
two
staff
who
are
planning
to
come
to
our
next
northside
green
zone
meeting
both
are
named
hillary.
Hilary
dvorak
is
the
one
who
is
in
charge
of
environmental
review
at
the
city,
so
she'll
be
there
to
speak
to
the
environmental
review
questions
and
then
hillary
holmes
has
been
like
the
project
manager
and
the
staff
for
the
the
community
advisory
committee
for
the
city
on
upper
harvard
terminal.
P
P
A
Stuff,
so
when
I
was,
I
had
a
quick
chat
with
dan
from
the
watershed
earlier
this
afternoon
to
prep
for
tonight,
and
he
was
saying
they
were
involved
like
from
way
back
in
the
beginning.
A
So
they've,
you
know,
I
think,
ever
since
the
city
intended
on
developing
the
site
stopped
using
it
as
the
harbor
terminal
for
the
upper
barge.
So
my
understanding
is,
you
know,
goes
all
the
way
back
to.
When
was
the
first
rfp
released.
Gosh
is
that
2014
or
earlier
okay.
P
I
started
the
master
watch
or
the
master
water
steward
program,
but
I
wasn't
able
to
finish
because
I
got
injured
in
the
middle
of
it,
but
that
was
about
that
time.
It
was
it
was
around
2014.,
so
I
was
hoping
that
they've
had
some
good
involvement
all
along
in
order
to
make
sure
that
we're
being
conscientious
in
terms
of
development.
So
how
did
this
amphitheater
end
up
in
the
next
as
possible?.
A
So
when
the
city
put
out
the
request
for
proposal
again,
this
and
the
timeline
should
be
on
the
website.
So
actually
maybe
I'll
pull
that
up.
As
I'm
talking,
they
got
one
bid
in
response
to
it,
and
the
proposal
was
from.
A
I'm
blanking
on
the
partner
names
it's
on
from
first
avenue.
First.
P
A
And
united
properties-
and
I
can't
remember
if
who-
which
other
partners
were
there
at
the
time,
but
so
the
idea
of
first
avenue
having
a
site
or
a
venue.
There
was
pitched
from
the
very
beginning
and
so
has
always
been
part
of
the
plan.
Essentially.
P
P
P
Yeah
or
no,
the
no,
the
first
avenue
in
united
properties.
A
Oh
yes,
yeah,
so
there's.
A
Yeah,
so
the
city
was
poised
to
adopt
the
coordinated
plan
until
I
think
it
was.
A
Minnesota
center
for
environmental
advocacy
and
and
community
partners
like
roxanne,
brought
it
to
their
attention
that
they
need
to
do
the
environmental
review
first
yeah
and
I'm
just
going
to
send
a
note
to
everyone.
One.
P
Oh,
we
were
just
talking
about
the
that
they've
been
involved
until
until
the
community.
A
Yeah
adoption
of
the
coordinated
plan
so
and
so
in
the
coordinated
plan,
which
has
gone
through
like
the
initial
concept
through
this
you
know,
has
always
had
that
the
first
avenue
site
on
it-
and
so
I
think
the
city
council
from
my
understanding
is
like
completely
bought
in
on
that
idea.
That
is,
that
will
be
part
of
phase
one
along
with
a
couple
other
early
uses,
and
so
as
soon
as
the
environmental
review
is
done
pending
some
sort
of
crazy
blow
up.
A
Like
that's,
my
understanding
is
that's
what
will
be
approved
but
again
next
month.
Those
are,
I
think,
those
are
the
appropriate
questions
to
ask
for
both
the
cped
staff
there
who
can
stick
to
the
environment
review
and
the
coordinated
plan.
E
R
Yeah
I
mean
we,
we
we
have
that
data
like
the
complaint
data
and
you
know
what
we've
done
on
enforcement.
We
have
issued
citations
and
from
time
to
time,
but
you
know
you
probably
know
as
well
as
anyone
where
that
is.
You
know
in
talking
about
gaf
and
talking
about
owens
corning,
you
know
any
any
of
those
types
of
facilities
it's
around
around
those
those
facilities.
A
Welcome
back
everyone,
so
I'm
hoping
we
can
take
a
few
minutes
now
to
just
report
back
on
what
were
some
action
steps
or
next
steps
that
were
identified
by
your
groups.
So
does
anyone
want
to
volunteer
to
go
first.
N
So
I
was
in
the
broader
engagement
group
with
michael
and
miss
vanessa,
and
we
were
talking
about
two
main
points.
The
first
one
was
kind
of
finding
ways
to
spread
info
to
the
general
community
about
what
we're
doing
so,
whether
that's
through
local
publications
or
maybe
a
green
zone
podcast.
N
I
know
other
folks
have
talked
about
doing
a
northside
green
zone,
zine
northside,
green
zine
in
the
past,
and
then
the
other
thing
we
talked
about
was
putting
on
like
a
green,
fair,
where
we
invite
a
bunch
of
different
organizations
that
are
working
on
green
stuff
and
also
just
other
organizations
that
are
in
north
minneapolis.
So
in
particular
we
were
talking
about
miss
vanessa's
connections
in
the
faith
community
and
how
we
can
kind
of
work
and
collaborate
with.
H
We
also
talked
about
that.
You
know
either
folks
from
the
broader
green
zone
task
force
that
we
could
start
doing.
Events
in
the
community
we
put
together
a
green
calendar
that
we
start
just
like
this
evening.
We
had
representation
from
the
parks
and
from
mississippi
watershed
that
we
could
sponsor
our
own
zoom
zoom
rooms,
conversations
that
would
engage
any
number
of
ex
content
experts
from
everything
from
the
violations
and
regulations
we
could,
as
as
broad
as
the
issues
that
we
brought
up
and
divide,
went
into
our
rooms.
H
We
could
stage
ongoing
conversations
inviting
experts
from
that
fee
from
who
can
give
us
some
insight,
but
also
opening
it
up
to
a
broad
base
of
prospective
partners,
stakeholders,
folks
that
have
some
kind
of
vested
interest
in
any
given
topic
that
we
might
choose
so
that
it
becomes
kind
of
we
are
controlling
the
it's
it's.
H
What
I
call
now
edutainment
that
we've
been
petitioned
by
these
zoom
rooms-
let's,
let's
utilize
this
and
let's
start
creating
conversations,
dialogue
around
environmental
content
and
inviting
people
from
the
local
level
to
the
international
level
and
us
helping
coordinate,
find
partners
to
help
hold
those
conversations.
A
B
In
here
and
policy
and
legislation,
it's
it's
still
new
to
to
me,
but
julia
has
been
tracking
the
legislative
session
itself
right
now
in
the
bill
that
representative
lee
put
forward,
I
think
that
a
big
piece
of
of
that
is
seeing
what
gets
included
and
what
gets
dropped
from
that
piece.
B
You
know
if
that
gets
through,
and
then
specifically
you
know
if,
if
we
can
get
a
a
count
on
on
where
representatives
fell
yes
or
no
on
on
something,
if
it
does
get
through,
will
be
important
for
us
to
know
and
who
to
partner
with
going
forward
and
then
fox.
B
As
far
as
building
a
coalition,
I
think
a
place
to
start
was
he
was
going
to
reach
out
to
satellite
offices
in
rochester,
duluth,
mankato,
detroit
lakes
and
brainerd
to
potentially
look
at
organizations
that
have
similar
interests
to
us
and
working
towards
a
coalition
coalition
for
future
legislation.
If
this
one
doesn't
make
it
through.
M
No,
that
was
a
great,
very
thorough
description.
E
Q
I
took
notes
so
I
can
talk
about
it,
so
we
were
able
to
speak
with
johnny,
lansing
and
patrick
hanlon
of
the
minneapolis
health
department,
environmental
health,
and
they
told
us
a
little
bit
about
some
of
their
previous
work
and
some
proposed
work
that
they're
looking
into
to
do
some
additional
sampling
around
areas
with
voters
which
would
include
gaf.
Q
And
although
it's
difficult
at
this
point
to
enforce
on
the
levels
of
odor,
they
would
like
to
look
use
some
new
methodologies
and
new
equipment
to
try
to
measure
more
compounds.
Try
to
determine
exactly
what's
causing
that
odor
and
then
use
that
information
to
get
some
control
equipment
to
to
hopefully
kind
of
control.
That
order
a
little
bit.
And
if
anybody
else
has
anything
to
add
they
can.
P
E
R
M
E
A
Absolutely
yep:
I
can
include
that
in
our
follow-up
email
with
the
notes
and
announcements
and
leslie
for
clarification,
you
were
suggesting
that
jenny
and
patrick
come
present
at
the
next
joint
green
zone
meeting.
So
southside
can
hear
too.
E
A
Great,
I
love
that
idea.
So
I
know
we
are
one
minute
over
I
did
want
to.
I
was
hoping
we
were
gonna
have
time
and
night
to
mention
that
there
is
still
some
budget
remaining
for
the
north
side
green
zone.
A
We
have
about
six
thousand
dollars,
and
so
hopefully
we
will
tee
up
conversation
on
how
we
would
like
to
spend
that
it's
not
doing
anybody
any
good,
not
going
out
into
the
community,
and
we
can
always
ask
for
more
so,
as
we,
you
know,
maybe
spend
more
time
in
these
similar
breakout
groups
in
future
meetings.
Continuing
to
talk
about
what
is
our
next
step
in
this
action?
Think
about
what
budget
you
might
your
group
might
need,
and
we
can
always
either
ask
the
city
for
funds,
ask
funders
foundations
for
funds.
A
H
Go
ahead
and
mine
kelly,
I'm
glad
that
was
a
good
segue
thanks
for
teeing
that
up.
For
me,
one
of
the
things
I'd
like
to
we
are
submitting
a
again.
I
think
I
sent
you
an
email,
but
myself
and
julia
and
patsy
and
a
bunch
of
people
are
submitting
a
proposal
to
the
hennepin
county,
green
partners
and
we'd
like
to
have
a
letter
of
support
from
the
green
zone.
H
If
that's
appropriate,
and
we
also
would
like
to
have
some
seed
money
for
some
of
the
engagement
and
outreach
that
we
want
to
do
over
the
course
of
the
winter
of
the
winter,
bringing
diverse
agencies,
stakeholders
together
to
work
on
the
plan
and
the
design
and
some
environment.
An
environmental
tool
is
a
shorthand
for.
H
Some
media
tools
that
young
people
would
design
to
help
inform
the
community
about
the
need
to
get
involved
with
regenerative
agriculture,
urban
farming,
global
warming,
climate
change
tools
that
would
articulate
those
conversations
to
their
peers
and
to
their
family
members,
and
so
we're
looking
for
we're.
Looking
for
support
from
the
green
zone
task
force
to
support
it
in
that
endeavor
seed
money
and
to
support
us
on
this
winter
long
charrette.
H
That
would
be
identifying
stakeholders
in
pro-creation
co-design
of
the
celestial
garden
at
2210
emerson,
which
is
north,
will
be
north
minneapolis's.
First
food
forest.
A
All
right,
so
we
will
plan
on
having
a
conversation
as
soon
as
possible
about
the
budget.
It's
too
late.
We
do
need
to
end
the
meeting
to
talk
about
a
letter
of
support,
but
I
did
see
your
email
and
I
can
talk.
I
can
work
with
julia
in
the
next
two
days
to
get
something
to
you
from
the
health
department
and
marquita.
If
we
want
to
submit
a
shared
one,
I
can
talk
with
you
about
sustainability
and
health,
submitting
together.
H
E
I
got
a
question
because
we
have
people
that
are
students
and
things
are
happening.
Do
you
think
that
some
of
that
money?
You
can
start
getting
some
kind
of
up?
What
is
it
a
stipend
or
some
kind
of
thing
like
that
for
the
north
side
green
zone
committee,
to
get
some
kind
of
benefits?
Because
I
know
when
it
first
started,
they
were
getting
monetary
money
for
gift
certificates
for
attending
meetings,
because
some
of
that
money
be
allocated
to
members
for
things,
socks
and
deodorant
things
like
that
to
us
yeah.
A
There
is
a
desire,
certainly
to
have
stipends
for
green
zone
members,
there's
currently
a
city
policy
that
says
we're
not
allowed
to
use
city
funds
for
that,
and
so
I
was
talking
with
the
southside
green
zone
a
few
of
their
members
last
night.
A
Thinking
about
like
what
would
be
a
budget
request
for
the
next
year,
and
you
know
things
like
stipends
food
when
we
get
to
come
back
in
person
together,
even
having
paid
facilitators
like
we
did
the
first
year
of
the
northside
green
zone
and
we've
had
in
the
past
for
southside
green
zone.
Things
like
that
to
help
really
support
you
all
and
the
work
that
you're
doing
so,
it's
not
wearing
on
you,
but
is
hopefully
resourcing
and
and
supportive
of
your
time
and
your
energy
and
your
expertise.
A
That
is
definitely
something
that
I
am
very
interested
in
figuring
out
how
to
do
so.
Thank
you
for
mentioning
that
and
as
well
as
the
community
projects,
because
I
think
it
was
amazing
a
couple
years
ago
when
we
were
able
to
do
support
the
the
event
on
the
north
side.
Michael
that
you
were
part
of
following
the
the
training
that
you
attended
with
was
the
al
gore
training.
K
A
And
then
there
was
some
north
side:
food
businesses.
There
was
events
supporting
that
the
healing
circles
there's
been
some
really
great
work
that
we've
been
able
to
see
happen
because
of
community
funding,
and
so
I
think
that
would
be
another
great
thing
for
the
green
zones
to
be
able
to
put
up
put
forward.
H
Well,
I
would
challenge
kelly.
I
would
challenge
you
know,
patrick
and
anybody
else-
who's
within
the
sound
of
my
voice
from
the
city
that
cities
are
applying
for
this.
This
build
back
better
for
lack
of
better
terms.
I
get
all
the
little
rescue
america
or
whatever
they
are,
but
these
municipalities
are
going
to
be
applying
for
all
kinds
of
federal
funding.
H
That's
going
to
be
trickling
down
from
the
federal
government
to
the
city,
and
I
would
argue
the
fact
that
the
boots
on
the
ground
are
the
most
tangible
application
of
that
work,
and
so,
as
we
as
we're
receiving
some
of
this
funding
from
some
of
this
broader
stimulus
plan,
let's
figure
out
how
the
green
new
deal
or
the
green
zone
task
force
and
some
of
these
other
folks.
H
R
R
R
You
know
and
and
maybe
even
be
part
of
the
funding
process,
so
so
lean
on
us
for
and
conversations
with,
marquita
and
others,
and
if
we
want
to
get
together
and
have
a
conversation
and
then
with
interns
too
about
having
some
time
to
commit.
You
know
to
some
of
that
work,
so
yeah
I'd
love
to
get
together
and
talk.
Michael.
H
It's
it's
not
just
about
doing
for
it's
bigger
than
that,
it's
about
doing
with,
and
so
what
this?
What
I'm
trying
to
demonstrate
to
these
projects?
Three
things:
how
do
we
get
people
who
have
been
shut
out
of
the
american
dream
and
they've
been
in
socially
engineered
to
be
consumers,
not
producers?
H
How
can
we
break
out
of
these
silos
that
you
know
we
operate
in
that
are
kind
of
singular
angular
and
self-serving
and
number
three,
and
to
be
more
about
the
collective
and
number
three?
How
can
we
do
public
land
development,
public
projects
from
the
grassroots
up,
rather
than
the
top
down,
and
so
I
invite
the
city
as
always
in
the
university.
H
R
Yep
we're
here
for
it,
michael,
if
you
want
to
get
a
conversation
going,
we'd
love
to
love
to
have
it.
A
D
K
It
and
if
you
guys
and
if
you
guys,
aren't
doing
anything
saturday
at
11
a.m,
the
purpose
church,
3001
russell
avenue
north,
we
will
be
having
a
midday
women's
program,
we
got
a
main
speaker
and
then,
on
friday
we
got
a
lady
coming
in
miss
tony.
So
saturday
is
a
day
full
of
fun,
so
you
guys
come
if
you're
not
doing
anything
over
north
minneapolis
on
30th
at
russell
3001
russell
at
11
a.m.
Thank
you.