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From YouTube: October 12, 2021 Police Conduct Oversight Commission
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B
All
right
good
evening
welcome
to
the
regular
virtual
meeting
of
the
police
conduct
oversight.
Commission
today
is
october
12
2021..
As
we
begin.
I
will
note
for
the
record
that
this
meeting
has
remote
participation
by
members
of
the
commission
and
city
staff
is
authorized
under
minnesota
statute.
Section
13d
.021
due
to
the
declared
local
public
health
emergency.
B
The
city
will
be
recording
and
posting
this
meeting
to
the
city's
website
and
youtube
channel
as
a
means
of
increasing
public
access
and
transparency.
The
meeting
is
public
and
subject
to
the
minnesota
open
meeting
law
for
the
record,
my
name
is
andrew
hawkins
and
I
serve
as
chief
of
staff
for
the
department
of
civil
rights,
as
this
body
is
currently
without
a
chair.
I'm
standing
in
to
convene
the
beginning
portion
of
the
meeting
with
that
said.
Will
the
clerk
please
call
the
role
to
verify
the
presence
of
quorum.
B
C
Yep
assistant
city
attorney
fussy
and
I
could
confirm
with
the
clerk,
but
I
believe
that
what's
needed
is
a
motion
to.
I
guess,
nominate
or
suggest
a
commissioner
to
act
in
that
capacity.
E
F
B
All
right
lisa
do
we
need
to
do
a
full
vote
or
anything
are
we
okay.
A
D
D
F
Well,
thank
you.
Thank
you,
commissioners.
I'm
really
honored
at
this
moment,
then.
I
believe
the
next
item
on
the
agenda
would
be
to
elect
a
vice
chair
is
that
right,
miss
brock.
A
It
is
correct,
and
commissioner,
sarah
I'm
going
to
email,
you
the
script
so
that
you
have
that
to
work
off
of
for
the
rest
of
the
meeting.
G
C
So
if
we,
madam
acting
chair
and
clerk,
this
is
city
attorney
fussy
again,
I
just
want
to
it's.
Obviously,
a
very
you
know
different
situation,
since
we
were
in
the
absence
of
a
chair
and
a
vice
chair,
which
makes
things
a
little
more
difficult.
My
understanding
is
that
commissioner,
sarah
has
been
appointed
as
the
acting
commissioner
for
the
purposes
of
running
the
meeting.
C
Until
I
guess
your
next
action
would
be
taking
taken,
which
would
be
either
to
elect
a
full-time
chair
and
then
to
elect
a
full-time
vice
chair
or
I
know
there
had
been
some
discussion
of
possibly
making
a
recommendation
from
the
clerk
and
the
civil
rights
staff
to
just
have
an
acting
chair
for
the
foreseeable
until
the
full
commission
membership
would
be
filled
out.
C
I
think
that
would
happen
in
january
such
that
I
guess
all
of
the
awards
or
all
of
the
commission
districts
could
be
filled
and
that
there
could
be
a
vote
for
a
permanent
chair
and
vice
chair
at
that
time,
but
ultimately
it's
up
to
the
commission
as
to
what
route
they
might
want
to
go.
I
don't
know
if
staff
had
any
thoughts
on
the
concept
of
simply
appointing
an
acting
chair.
That
would
be
a
temporary
chair
until
a
full
election
could
take
place
with
a
full
with
a
full
commission.
B
C
Pivot,
no,
if
that's
the
defer
to
the
clerk
in
terms
of
where
we
are
in
the
agenda.
A
That
is
correct.
We
need
to
adopt
the
agenda
except
the
minutes
and
then
move
on
to
the
election
item
on
the
agenda.
Have
you
received
the
script
commissioner?
Sarah.
A
I
I
asked
if
you
had
received
the
script
in
your
email.
Yes,
I
have
okay,
so
the
next
item
would
be
at
the
upper
half
of
page
two
adoption
of
the
agenda.
F
Okay,
next
we'll
proceed
to
our
agenda,
a
copy
of
which
has
been
posted
for
public
access
to
the
city's
legislative
information
management
system,
which
is
available
at
limbs.minneapolismn.gov.
F
I
have
four
items
that
I
think
should
be
on
tonight's
agenda
for
discussion
and
they
are
as
follows:
first,
an
update
on
the
staffing
of
opcr
and
the
civil
rights
department;
second,
the
issue
of
pcoc
quorum;
third,
an
update
or
discussion
on
the
pcoc
appointment
process
and
fourth
staff
interaction
with
the
pcoc.
G
G
F
A
Commissioner,
commissioner,
sarah
just
to
make
sure
that
my
records
are
accurate.
Could
you
remind
me
what
number
four
was.
A
F
F
D
H
G
G
F
F
I
will
call
on
staff
to
provide
a
recommendation
relating
to
the
election
procedures
and
then
I
recommend
that
we
have
some
discussion
as
a
commission.
Is
there
someone
from
the
staff
who
would
like
to
provide
information.
B
Yep,
it's
andrew
again.
I
can
speak
to
this
part.
This
also
kind
of
serves
as
a
an
update
on
where
we're
at
in
the
recruitment
process.
So,
as
you
all
know,
civil
rights
staff
are
currently
working
on
recruitment
for
multiple
commissions
beginning
last
year.
This
process
was
revisited
in
an
effort
to
expand
the
scope
of
recruitment
to
increa
include
an
increased
emphasis
on
equity
and
groups
that
have
been
consistently
underrepresented
on
our
commissions.
B
This
effort
is
being
done
through
increased
collaboration
with
a
number
of
city
departments
who
are
tasked
with
neighborhood
outreach,
equity
inclusion
and
diversity
work.
The
first
year
of
these
efforts
resulted
in
the
most
diverse
commission,
we've
ever
seen
by
almost
any
measure.
Geographic
diversity
included.
B
Unfortunately,
with
several
recent
departures,
we
find
ourselves
in
a
similar
situation
and
so
in
the
interest
of
ensuring
equitable
representation
and
opportunity
and
the
deadline
for
applications
closing
at
the
end
of
this
month.
It's
the
recommendation
of
civil
rights
staff
that
the
commission
considered
the
election
of
an
acting
chair
to
serve
until
all
vacancies
can
be
filled
in
the
body
and
the.
G
F
F
B
Yeah
I
mean
right
now
we're
hoping
to
close
everything
in
october
and
get
everybody
in
and
it's
a
partner,
it's
possible
that
we
have
some
new
people
on
board
by
december.
So
I
think
with
the
acting
cheer
designation
too
it
doesn't.
I
think
some
of
it
depends
on
when
your
term
expires
and
when
your
term
would
run
too.
So
I
know
I
believe
yours
is
up
at
the
end
of
this
year,
so
I
mean
there
would
be
a
natural
point
to
like.
I
guess
you
know,
revisit.
B
Somebody
in
the
acting
chair
role
that
went
that
where
they
would
have
gone
further,
like
their
term,
doesn't
end
for
another
year.
Like
I,
you
know
it
would
have
been
less
clear
so
by
saying:
let's
have
it
as
acting.
You
know,
until
we
get
to
that
point
where
we
have
everybody
on
board
and
they're
allowed
to
participate.
It's
also,
since
we're
still
doing
recruitment
too,
like
we
want.
You
know,
people
that
are
applying
and
everything
to
make
sure
it's
clear
that
they
have
an
opportunity
to
to
do
all
this.
So.
D
That
it
was
a
question
version
of
exactly
what
andrew
hawkins
mentioned.
So
I
do
have
a
pending.
J
Motion
since
we
do
have
a.
D
I'd
like
to
make
a
motion
if,
if
the
chair
would
recognize
me
for
that
as
well.
D
I
move
that
the
pcoc
continue,
take
the
staff
recommendation
and
continue
with
acting
chair.
Sarah
for
the
remainder
of
the
year.
F
I
guess
if
I
would
like
to
offer
some
discussion
and
that
this
feels
like
a
this,
feels
different
than
what
has
happened
in
the
past,
and
I've
only
been
on,
for
you
know
less
than
two
years,
but
this
is
this
is
now
the
full
commission,
such
as
it
is,
and
we've
advocated
very
strongly
to
have
these
positions
filled
and
move
forward.
F
It
seems
like
it.
I
don't
know
that
there's
a
huge
difference,
but
it
seems
like
if
we
want
to
move
forward
as
a
commission
to
be
as
strong
as
we
can
be.
We
should
have
a
chair
and
a
vice
chair
and
then
in
2022,
when
we
hopefully
have
a
full
commission-
or
I
should
perhaps
I
should
say
nine
members
appointed
full
in
that
way.
Then
it
would
be
time
for
new
elections
anyway.
It's
my
understanding.
E
Yeah
this
is
commissioner
sylvester.
I
I
agree
with
that.
I
think
we've
had
some
pretty
empty
agendas
in
the
last
couple
of
months,
and
I
I
it's
such
a
crucial
time
for
the
work
that
we're
doing
here.
I
I
don't
like
the
idea
of
temporary
folks.
I
I
think
we
need
to
make
this
permanent.
E
We
need
to
push
as
hard
as
we
can
to
the
end
of
the
year,
and
I
think
it
also
sets
a
better
precedent
for
anybody
else
joining
us
in
the
future
that
we
do
have
kind
of
strong,
stable
leadership
yeah.
So
I
would
advocate
that
we
that
we
elect
permanent
chair
and
vice
chair
tonight.
F
Thank
you,
I
recognize,
commissioner
pino.
Did
you
have
your
hand
up.
D
I
do
and
apologies
I'm
on
my
phone
and
my
camera's,
not
the
best,
which
is
why
I'm
you
just
see
my
headshot.
J
Here
but
the
reason
why,
speaking
frankly,
the
reason
why
I
create
I
move
to
have
you
as
acting
chair
is
because
I
trust
you
in
your
motivations
to
continue
this
commission,
which
is
why
I
nominated
you
in
the
first
place,
and
I
know
that
your
term
ends
at
the
end
of
the
year
and
I'm
more
than
happy
to
withdraw
this
emotion.
J
But
I
just
know
I
personally
don't
have
the
capacity
to
be
in
a
more
of
a
leadership
role
than
being
the
audit
chair
and
you-
and
I
are
the
two
people
who
have
our
terms,
and
so,
if
that
being
the
case,
if
we
do
withdraw
this
motion-
and
we
do
have
a
full
election
of
a
full
chair,
it
is
incumbent
upon
those
who
do
not
have
their
terms
and
to
take
those
leadership
roles.
If
they're
ready
to
do
so.
I
know
that's
a
big
task
for
somebody.
J
Who's
only
been
here
for
a
year
and,
like
commissioner
sylvester
said
it
hasn't
been
the
most
active
year
so
again
more
than
happy
to
withdraw
my
motion
here.
But
this
is
what
I
saw
as
the
most
pragmatic
step
forward.
J
If
we
do
withdraw
this
motion-
and
we
have
a
vote
on
a
full
chair,
I'm
totally-
for
it
just
want
to
make
sure
that
people
are
ready
to
take
on
those
roles.
Otherwise
we
have
us
an
acting
chair,
and
people
have
a
couple
more
months
to
get
ready
to
take
on
that
leadership
role.
That
was
my
thinking.
F
I
appreciate
that
commissioner
pino
I,
my
intent,
would
I
recognize
commissioner
sylvester.
E
I
I
completely
agree
with
commissioner
pino
in
a
lot
of
what
he's
saying,
but
I
think
in
the
next
couple
of
months,
the
power
of
the
chair
of
this
body
is
setting
the
agenda
and
I
want
to
set
big
giant
agendas
and
I
want
I
what
I've
seen
from
and
I'm
just
going
to
come
out
and
say
what
I've
seen
from
from
chair
sarah
in
the
last
couple
of
months
really
the
last
year.
I
suppose,
nine
months
on
the
policy
and
procedure
committee
is
harvard
professors.
E
Experts
in
their
field,
talking
about
misdemeanors,
just
putting
in
like
real
big
agendas
together
to
move
information
forward
and
to
build
big
giant
work
on
that
subcommittee.
And
I
I
would
like
that
to
be
taken
to
the
full
commission
and
I
think,
there's
just
a
little
more
clout
in
being
able
to
do
that.
As
a
permanent
chair
versus
an
acting
chair.
F
Thank
you,
commissioner.
Sylvester
recognizing
commissioner
mcguire.
K
K
B
Yup
again,
I
think
the
goal
is
always
to
get
people
once
we
have
things
close
to
move
as
quickly
as
we
can
to
get
people.
You
know
on
board
and
staffed
up.
It's
definitely
like.
I
think.
If
this
you
know
december
is
the
goal
it's
like
obviously
november.
As
everybody
knows,
there's
probably
a
lot
going
on
that
month
in
terms
of
getting
you
know,
council
members
and
their
staff
to
sit
down
with
us
for
interviews,
but
I
think
we'd
like
to
try
it.
B
If
we
can,
I
mean
the
election
happens
early
enough,
that
I
don't
think
that
that's
completely
undoable
and
then
there
are.
We
also
probably
want
to
do
a
training
for
the
new
members
as
well,
but
for
right
now
I
think
the
goal
is
to
get
people
on
board
here
in
december
at
the
latest.
Have
them
ready
for
the
first
of
the
year.
F
Well,
with
all
of
this
discussion
of
recognizing
myself
acting
chair,
sarah,
my
opinion
for
discussion
is,
I
think
we
should
have
a
permanent
chair
and
a
permanent
vice
chair
and
and
by
permanent.
I
mean
you
know
until
until
next
year,
until
the
next
round
of
appointments,
the
appointment
process
frankly,
has
been
a
little
wonky
for
the
past
couple
of
years.
We
don't
know,
what's
going
to
happen
with
it
and
I
think
any
word
in
front
of
the
word
chair
or
vice
chair
like
acting
or
interim
it
just
it
it.
F
It
sends
the
wrong
message
and
I
think
we'd
like
to
move
forward
as
strongly
as
possible
as
a
group
as
a
commission
in
my
intent,
I
can
just
speak
for
myself
as
acting
chair.
My
intent
would
absolutely
be
to
mentor
and
work
with
anyone
who's
interested
in
a
leadership
role
either.
F
F
Thank
you,
commissioner
pino.
So
we
are,
I
just
want
to
make
sure
we
are
moving
forward.
As
a
group.
H
Thank
you.
I
just
had
a
question
on
the.
What
was
the
term
that
we're
discussing
with
the
term
length-
and
you
may
have
mentioned
that
and
I
may
have
missed
it,.
H
And
so
we
would
have
a
new
election
january
or
february,
okay
and
and
was
just
so
I'm
clear
and
again
I'm
sorry
if
this
was
discussed
and
I
missed
it,
but
was
there
any
difference?
Is
it
just
semantics
between
interim
chair
and
vice
chair
and
regular
chair
and
vice
chair,
or
is
there
a
real
difference
between
the
positions
other
than
the
names
you
know
functionally.
C
This
is
assistant
city
attorney
fussy.
I
don't
believe
there's
any
difference.
H
Okay
thanks
for
that
clarification,
then
I
mean
really.
I
agree
with
commissioner
sarah's
comments.
I
think
we
should
move
forward
strongly
together,
united
in
going
with
electing
full
positions.
I'd
be
in
favor
of
that.
F
Thank
you
any
further
discussion
before
I
ask
the
clerk
to
call
the
role
on
commissioner
jackson
or
commissioner
pino's
motion.
F
Very
well
would
the
clerk.
Please
call
the
role
on
commissioner
pino's
motion
to
elect
a
chair,
and
vice
chair
not
acting
chair
advice,
chair.
J
Point
point
of
order.
Sorry,
my
motion
was
to
elect
you
chair
and
we
have
not
had
a
discussion
on
vice
chair.
Yet.
C
Yes,
and
I
would,
I
would
jump
in
and
say,
there's
a
procedure
that
has
to
be
followed
with
regard
to
the
election
and
first
it's
the
chair,
that's
elected
first
or
initially
has
to
be
a
round
of
nominations,
and
maybe
it
sounds
like
there's
unanimity
that
that
the
acting
chair
may
become
the
permanent
chair.
But
I
we
have
to
go
through
the
proper
procedure
and
ask
for
nominations
and
then
once
those
nominations
are
in
a
vote
can
be
had.
F
Very
well,
thank
you,
mr
fussy,
and
thank
you,
commissioner
pino
will
the
clerk.
Please
call
the
role
to
on
commissioner
pino's
motion
to
elect
a
permanent
chair
as
and
I
believe
I've
been
nominated
for
this.
D
D
G
F
That
motion
carries,
and
now
mr
fussy
just
checking
in,
is
that
sufficient
to
elect
me
permanent
chair
or
are
you
saying
there
needs
to
be
further
nomination
process.
A
Okay,
it
would
start
with
the
election
of
the
chair,
opening
the
floor
denominations
and
then
proceeding
to
the
election
consistent.
F
With
the
rules
we
we
will
begin
with
the
election
of
the
chair,
and
then
we
will
handle
the
election
of
the
vice
chair.
Any
commissioner
may
nominate
any
member,
including
themselves
to
be
considered
for
election
nominations,
do
not
require.
Second.
After
nominations
have
closed,
each
individual
who
has
been
nominated
will
be
given
a
few
minutes
to
explain
why
they
would
like
to
be
considered
for
the
position
when
speeches
have
concluded.
Members
may
enter
a
question
and
answer
period
with
the
candidates.
Before
the
vote
is
taken
on
the
election
of
the
officer.
F
F
C
L
Clerk
brock
and
attorney
fussy:
this
is
ken
daler
from
the
clerk's
office.
I
I
kind
of
I
I
tend
to
agree
with
you,
mr
fussy,
that
that
you
know
by
unanimous
consent.
I
think
this
body
has
has
agreed
that
sarah
is
now
the
chair.
I
I
don't
think
there's
a
need
to
go
through
that.
You
know
that
whole
rigmarole
when,
when
it's
clear
he
has
kind
of
made
its
decision,
so
I
would
proceed
to
the
election
of
vice
chair.
That
would
be
my
recommendation.
A
F
I
would
love
to
nominate
anyone
who
is
interested
in
order
to
absorb
observe
open
meeting
laws.
I
didn't
contact
anyone
or
have
any
sort
of
discussion
outside
of
this
meeting.
So
forgive
me,
I'm
not
sure
who
among
us
may
be
actually
interested
and
if
anyone
would
like
to
raise
their
hand
and
share
their
interest,
I
would
I
would
support
that
person.
Absolutely.
J
Yeah
sorry,
I
just
I
don't
have
the
capacity
beyond
being
audit
chair
right
now,
but
since
I'm
talking
I
would
happily
nominate.
F
I
believe
seconds
are
not
required,
but
I
certainly
second,
commissioner
sparks:
are
there
any
further
nominations
or
anyone
who
would
like
to
be
minnesotan
and
raise
their
hand
and
share
interest,
and
then
I
will
nominate
them
if
they
can't
quite
do
it
themselves?.
F
With
no
further
nominations,
I
will
close
the
nomination
period.
We
will
now
recognize,
commissioner,
sparks
for
free,
brew,
brief
comments,
and
then
we
will
open
up
the
floor.
H
Yeah
thanks,
I
mean
I'm
a
little
surprised
I
was
nominated,
but
I'm
pleased
to
accept
any
nomination.
I
just
want
to
say
I'm
really
passionate
about
this
work.
I'm
proud
to
be
with
this
group
of
individuals.
I
think
we've
been
through
a
lot
and
learned
a
lot
in
the
last
not
even
a
year,
and
I
really
want
to
continue
that
work
and
see
it
through
as
strongly
as
possible,
including
the
next
generation,
if
you
will
of
commissioners
as
they
start
to
come
on
board.
So
thanks
and
I'm
like
seriously
and
severely
humbled.
F
Thank
you,
and
this
is
chair.
Sarah
I'd
like
to
offer
my
comments
that
I
I
think,
commissioner
sparks
is
an
excellent
candidate
and
also
I
really
like
the
idea
of
having
one
shall
we
say
a
returning
member.
I
won't
call
myself
senior
year
and
one
new
this
year,
member,
I
I
think
that's
a
nice
compliment
to
have
you
know
to
have
continued
continuity
as
we
move
forward
as
a
full
commission.
F
Okay
with
that,
we
will
proceed
to
the
election
of
vice
chair
when
the
clerk
calls
your
name.
Please
respond
with
the
name
of
the
candidate
of
your
choice
to
serve
as
vice
chair.
A
majority
is
required
to
elect
an
officer
with
the
clerk.
Please
call
the
role.
D
G
F
In
gold
stars
to
commissioner
pino
and
sylvester
for
doing
it
correctly,
as
instructed
very
well
done
congratulation
commissioners
mark
vice
chair,
sparks
we're
very
happy
to
have
you.
The
next
order
of
business
is
the
acceptance
of
public
comments.
I
will
open
the
floor
and
invite
comments
from
the
community.
We
will
limit
the
public
comment
period
to
no
more
than
two
minutes
per
speaker
with
that.
Are
there
any
community
members
on
the
line
who
wish
to
address
the
commission.
I
If
I
may,
this
is
dave
picking
just
got
myself
unmuted.
Yes,
I
want
to
congratulate
the
new
chair
and
vice
chair
and
thank
you
both
for
your
service.
I
also
very
much
appreciate
those
additions
to
the
agenda.
I
I
haven't
had
time
to
think
too
much
about
them,
but
and
I'll
have
some
comments
about
the
selection
process
of
case
summaries
when
we
get
to
the
public
hearing
on
that,
I,
yes,
I
think
an
update
on
staffing
would
be
very
helpful
since
it's
really
questionable
who's
running
the
civil
rights
com
department
and
the
opcr
at
this
time,
and,
of
course,
how
many
people
are
able
to
help
with
the
work
of
the
pcoc.
I
I'm
very
disappointed
that
last
month's
meeting
was
cancelled
for
lack
of
quorum,
particularly
because
there
wasn't
a
lack
of
quorum
and
though,
I'm
sure
it's
an
error.
That's
pretty
egregious
in
my
in
my
mind,
that's
an
important
thing
that
people
should
know
both
the
clerk,
the
legal
assistant
and
and
members
of
the
commission.
Frankly
so,
and
yeah
I'd
be
very
interested
in
the
discussion
of
the
staff
interaction
with
the
pcoc.
So
I'll.
Let
people
talk
about
those.
You
have
a
lot
to
cover.
Thank
you.
I
F
Going
one
that's
going
twice:
okay.
Hearing
no
further
comment:
I
move
to
the
next
item
on
the
agenda.
Hi.
Can
I
make
a
show
real,
quick.
M
Yes,
yes,
go
ahead;
yeah,
I'm
just
want
to
say
I'm
on
the
line
and
I'm
looking
forward
to
hearing
the
discussion
about
the
pcoc
appointment
process.
Thank.
F
You
thank
you,
miss
peterson,
okay,
going
once
going
twice
closing
the
comic
period
and
moving
on
to
the
next
order
of
business,
which
I
believe
is
this
an
update
on
the
staffing
of
the
opcr
and
civil
rights
department,
not
to
put
anyone
on
the
spot.
But
is
there
someone
on
the
call
from
the
city
who
could
provide
an
update
to
the
commission?
Please.
B
I
believe
some
of
that
was
going
to
be
addressed
when
they
got
to
the
discussion
of
the
the
case
summaries.
So
if
we
want
to
wait
for
that
part,
we
can
always
do
it
at
the
dovetail
off
that
I
wasn't
sure
if
that,
like,
I
don't
think
I
realized
when
we
amended
everything
that
we
added
things
in
earlier.
F
B
Sure,
okay
yeah
like
carolina,
are
you
on,
like
you,
can
hop
on
now
so
like
carolina
amini's,
our
investigations
manager,
like
the
way
that
everything's
set
up
right
now,
is
that
the
person
who's
reviewing
cases
and
signing
cases
can
be.
The
can
also
be
the
director's
designee.
So
carolina
was
designated
by
director.
Jafar
like
since
director
of
heart
still
has
not
formally
separated
from
the
city.
B
That's
going
to
continue
that
I'll
continue
for
now
and
then
with
the
hopes
that
that'll
continue
until
we're
able
to
have
somebody
in
that
spot
permanently.
So,
caroline,
I
don't
know
if
you
wanted
to
hop
on
and.
N
N
Okay,
can
everybody
see
me
hello,
everyone,
sorry
again
with
carolina
amini,
I
am
like
andrew
had
said
the
manager
of
investigations.
N
N
F
Okay,
very
good,
and
who
will
be
thank
you
and
welcome.
Pardon
me
for
being
rude.
Who
will
be
the
director
of
the
civil
rights
department.
N
I
haven't
received
any
new
information
on
that
andrew.
Do
you
have
anything.
B
Sure
yeah
this
came
up
at
budget
as
well,
so
I
can
answer
it
kind
of
the
same
way.
So
obviously
it's
you
know
the
appointment
of
you
know
the
directors
the
mayor's
office
is
responsible
for
that.
I
believe
there
is
a
search
process
underway
to
bring
in
a
director
like
to
lead
the
department,
but
for
the
time
being,
that
roles
remains
unfilled,
but
we
have
people
in
positions
and
we're
we've
been
able
to
operate
together
and
the
works
kept
moving
forward.
B
So
we'll
keep
doing
that
until
we
get
some
like
somebody
in
that
position.
Full-Time.
But
obviously
you
know,
we've
had
a
good
amount
of
turnover
in
that
spot.
It's
definitely
not
a
not
an
easy
position
to
hold,
so
hopefully
they
can
find
a
good
candidate.
We
get
somebody
in,
and
I
know
staff
will
definitely
be.
B
You
know
happy
to
have
somebody
on
board
in
a
full-time
capacity,
but
in
the
interim
you
know
again,
like
that's
kind
of
back
to
the
whole
acting
interim,
it's
a
very
popular
title
in
the
city
right
now
you
know
we'll
we'll
keep
everything
moving
forward,
as
as
we
can
so
we're
fortunate.
I
said
this
in
the
budget
and
I'll
say
it
again.
Now
every
chance
I
get
it's
like,
we
have
a
great
you
know
great
group
of
dedicated
staff
that
have
kept
everything
going
during
some
pretty
adverse
times.
E
Hey
andrew,
I
just
want
to
thank
you
for
your
work.
I
I
guess
I
understood
that
there
were
some
staffing
challenges
but
kind
of
hearing
you
tonight
putting
that
stuff
in
perspective.
I
really
appreciate
I
really
appreciate
the
work.
Thank
you
very
much.
B
Oh,
I
mean
definitely
empty
appreciation's
appreciated.
I
know
it's
appreciated
by
staff.
I
mean
they've,
obviously
done
you
know
a
very
big
left.
I
mean
the
opcr
staff
that
you
all
you
know
get
to
work
with.
You
know
the
you
know
highest
case
load
by
almost
double
over
the
past
year
and
where-
and
that
was
before
we
brought
on
three
new
people,
so
I
mean
we
had.
You
know
senior
investigators,
you
know
answering
phones
and
calling
people
back,
and
I
mean
they
really
they
stepped
up
and,
like.
B
I
know
that
you
know
during
the
budget,
addresses
came
up
where
it
was
like
well,
you've
had
a
lot
of
turnover
and
I
kind
of
made
a
point
it's
like
well,
I
think
we've
had
a
lot
of
appointed
turnover.
It's
like.
However,
it's
like
you
know,
given
just
the
staff
that
we
had
going
into
the
beginning
of
the
pandemic,
we
lost
two
people,
that's
it.
You
know
we
lost
somebody
in
our
equity
division
and
we
lost
somebody
in
complained
investigations.
Both
you
know
to
good
opportunities,
so
I
mean
that's
a
turn.
B
You
know,
like
our
retention
rate,
is
93
during
what
I
have
to
believe
is
probably
one
of
the
harder.
You
know
like
one
of
the
harder
periods
that
this
you
know
the
civil
rights
departments
had
to
go
through.
So
so
that's
that
says
a
lot
about
the
people
that
you
know
we're
blessed
to
work
with.
So
I
again
I,
on
behalf
of
the
staff,
I
appreciate
the
sentiment.
F
Yes,
absolutely
and
I'm
sure,
that's
seconded
by
all
of
us.
We
all
appreciate
your
efforts,
your
dedication
and
just
for
one
point
of
clarification,
I
believe
the
the
operating
rules
for
the
commission
say
that
the
chair
shall
meet
with
the
director
of
opcr
at
least
monthly.
So
at
least
at
this
moment
I
would
be
meeting
with
ms
amini.
Is
that
isn't
that
how
you
understand
it?
Mr
hawkins
and
miss
amini.
N
Yeah,
absolutely
I
will,
unless
you
want
to
reach
out
to
me,
I
can
reach
out
to
you.
Maybe
after
this
meeting
or
tomorrow,
I
can
send
you
an
an
email,
absolutely
great.
F
We'll
talk
offline,
thank
you
for
clarifying
that
publicly.
I
think
that
was
an
important
discussion
to
have
on
the
public,
so
I
appreciate
that
update
any
further
questions
or
discussion
for
that
particular
point
of
business.
F
Hearing
none
I'll
move
us
to
the
next
agenda
item,
which
I
can't
remember,
which
I
said.
First
I
think
I
said
pcoc
quorum
is
the
next
item
of
discussion.
J
Point
point
point
of
order,
madam
chair.
I
just
for
some
reason.
I
have
it
in
my
head
that
the
amended
items
were
tagged
on
to
the
end
totally
fine.
If
they're,
not
I've,
just
been
like
holding
my
breath
ready
to
give
you.
My
subcommittee
report
just
wondering
whether
or
not
I'm
correct
in
the
order
of
the
agenda
as
amended
by
the
group
at
the
beginning
of
this
meeting,.
F
Excellent
excellent
question:
I
put
forward
these
these
amended
items.
I
I
don't
remember
if
I
specifically
said
if
they
must
happen
before
the
committee
updates
deferred
staff.
Ms
brock,
shall
we
move
to
the
the
committee
updates,
I'm
happy
to
circle
back.
I.
F
No
problem,
okay,
then,
let's
move
forward
to
the
next
agenda
item
pcoc
forum.
Just
a
point
of
summary:
we
have
lost
three
people
by
resignations,
so
we're
now
down
to
six
appointed
members.
The
ordinance
does
say
a
majority
of
the
members,
but
no
fewer
than
four
must
make
quorum.
F
I
I
think
this
issue
has
been
resolved
over
email,
but
I
want
to
you
know
this
is
a
public
body,
so
I
think
it
needs
to
be
discussed
publicly.
I
believe
at
this
time
our
quorum
is
four.
We
are
six
members,
the
majority
would
be
four
and
if
we
were
to
lose
another
member,
our
quorum
would
not
drop
lower,
because
there
is
that
you
know
there
is
that
floor
with
our
ceiling.
F
Excuse
me
floor.
You
know
that
floor
with
the
ordinance.
Does
mr
dollar
want
to
be
recognized,
or
does
anyone
want
to
be
recognized
on
this
point?.
H
Thank
you
chair
sarah
yeah,
so
I
think
that
was
my
understanding
as
well.
Over
email,
we
resolved
it
so
that
the
quorum
our
current
quorum
with
our
current
membership
is
four.
I
think
the
question
came
up
as
well
that
on
the
agenda
the
quorum
is
noted
as
five
and
I
think
we
had
an
explanation
that
that
was
just
something
lims
does
that
fills
in
quorum
s5,
but
I
think
it's
still
something
that
has
created
and
will
continue
to
create
some
confusion,
especially
being
that
it's.
H
An
accurate
number
I
my
understanding,
is
that
to
change
that
within
limbs
would
be
a
very
heavy
lift.
So
I
wondered
if
there
was
a
some
sort
of
a
stop
gap
measure
we
could
introduce
a
note
somewhere
else
in
the
agenda,
perhaps
about
what
the
correct
quorum
number
is
just
so
we're
not
spending
city
resources
on
something
that's
sort
of
minor
like
that.
F
L
Chair
sarah
ken
baylor
from
from
the
clerk's
office
and
the
manager
of
legislative
support
services.
Yes,
we
can
explore
to
see
if
there
to
see
if
there's
a
simpler
kind
of
fix
to
it.
You
know,
as
as
was
explained
it
is.
It
is
a
little
bit
more
complicated
because
of
it.
The
system
isn't
really
set
up
to
have
kind
of
a
floating
quorum.
That
changes
the
body
changes
and,
as
you'll
remember,
we
had.
L
We
had
we
kind
of
had
to
make
a
quick
decision
a
month
ago,
and
we
we
kind
of
made
a
determination
based
on
the
fact
that
the
council
has
established
that
this
body
has
nine
positions
and
we
made
a
decision
at
the
spur
of
the
moment
and
the
city
clerk
casey
carl
has
made
it
very
clear
that
you
know
the
body
is
now
six
members
and
that
the
quorum
is
four.
L
So
you
know
I'm
happy
to
say
that
publicly
and
and
kind
of
apologize
for
any
confusion
that
happened
at
the
last
meeting
when
we
had
to
make
a
decision
at
the
last
minute,
but
we'll
see
if
there's
maybe
kind
of
a
you
know.
As
you
said,
a
more
kind
of
elegant
and
tentative
work
around
to
just
kind
of
ensure
that
we're
all
on
the
same
page,
going
forward.
H
F
Yes,
thank
you
and
thank
you.
Vice
chair
sparks
any
further
discussion
or
questions
on
the
issue
of
quorum
for
the
pcoc
hearing.
None
I'll
move
us
to
it.
Our
next
agenda
item
the
pcoc
appointment
process.
I
know
mr
hawkins
is
anxious
to
talk
about
it.
I
have
a
few
items
I
would
like
to
discuss
as
well.
F
I
understand
that
mppd
will
be
participating
again
in
this
selection
process
and
a
community
member
has
brought
up
specifically
the
fact
that
any
applicants
cannot
have
an
open
complaint
against
mpd.
Those
are
two
things
that
I
would
like
to
discuss.
Maybe
mr
hawkins,
you
should
just
start
by
talking
about
the
appointment
process
and
how
it's
moving
forward
and
we
can
open
it
up
from
discussion.
There.
B
B
So
when
we
were
talking
about,
you
know,
commissions
and
how
we're
going
to
manage
things
in
the
appointment
process
moving
forward,
one
of
the
solutions
was,
you
know,
to
have
kind
of
my
division,
which
is
the
administration
division
of
civil
rights,
I'd
like
sort
of
take
over
this
process,
so
that
we
had
kind
of
a
standardized
approach
to
this
across
you
know
we
have
the
minneapolis
commission
on
civil
rights.
We
have
the
workplace
advisory,
commission
or
committee,
and
then
we
have
you
know
we
have.
B
We
have
the
pcoc,
so
the
pcoc
and
mccr
kind
of
operate
in
more
similar
scopes,
the
workplace
advisory
committee
sort
of
represents
the
various
agencies,
so
it's
a
little
bit
a
little
bit
different
but
but
yeah.
So
the
goal
was
just
to
kind
of
find.
You
know
some
consistency
with
how
we
were
approaching
this.
I
know
that
both
I
think
both
groups
and
historically
have
you
know
kind
of
had
you
know
a
little
differing
processes.
B
You
know
just
based
on
the
structure,
commission
and
everything,
and
so,
given
that
you
know
we
were
in
the
situation
I
took
this
over,
I
was
fortunate
to
have
some
capacity
that
I
was
able
to
leverage
from
our
equity
staff
who
came
in.
We
also
worked
with
our
neighborhood
community
relations
group
and
then
at
least
some
of
what
is
now
like.
The
city's
race
and
equity
group
was
able
to
participate
as
well
and
so
kind
of
one
of
the
things
that
was
identified.
B
You
know
both
through
conversations
with,
like
you
know,
previous
previous
chairs,
in
the
previous
commission,
as
well
as
just
staff
and
just
kind
of
people
generally
around
the
city
was
that
you
know
historically,
there's
been
a
you
know,
a
distinct.
You
know
like
under
representation
of
specific
wards
in
specific
groups
in
the
city.
You
know
on
our
boards
and
commissions.
Obviously
it's
something
where
you
know
requires
you
know
it
requires
a
lot
of
time.
B
Generally,
there's,
like
the
you
know,
requirement
people
come
to
city
hall
at
meetings
in
person,
so
I
mean
there's
a
lot
of
contributing
factors,
but
the
goal
was
to
basically,
you
know
like
it
was
out
of
something.
Very
you
know.
Kind
of
hectic
came
something
good
where
we
were
able
to
leverage
some
other
groups
that
had
you
know
various
specialties
to
come
in
and
help
us
figure
out
how
we
could
do
this
process.
B
You
know
in
a
way
that
attracts
a
more
diverse
group
of
applicants
make
sure
we
get
representation
from
some
of
those
awards
that
we
weren't
seeing
historically,
you
know
as
well
as,
like
you
know,
like
pulling
people
from
groups
that
more
accurately
represent
like
the
city
of
minneapolis
as
a
whole
as
well.
As
you
know,
groups
that
are
being
adversely
impacted
by
you
know,
interactions
with
the
police,
so
that
was
kind
of
the
focus
of
our
of
our
effort.
You
know,
I
think
it
was.
B
It
was
very
successful,
as
I
alluded
to
earlier
it's,
it
was.
Definitely
it
was
certainly
the
most
you
know
diverse
group
we've
had
you
know.
I
think
today,
at
least
as
far
back
as
I
can
remember
so
that
was
definitely
a
positive
to
it,
but
I'm
kind
of
building
on
that.
It's
like
it
is
something
that
we're
trying
to
build
out
more
more
deliberately
and
more
formally,
you
know
with
those
groups
and
kind
of
leveraging.
B
You
know
the
skill
sets
that
you
know
various
areas
of
the
city
have
so
that
there's
kind
of
a
wider
lens
on
this.
So
I
know
there's
again
I
mean
I
guess
I
can
keep
going
in
terms
of
you
know
what
the
actual
other
parts
of
the
process
entailed.
So
the
other
thing
that
we
did
was,
I
mean
again,
it
was
kind
of
one
of
the
upsides
to
this
remote.
You
know
there's
very
few
upsides
but
like,
but
one
of
the
one
of
the
upsides
to
this
remote.
B
You
know
environment
we
find
ourselves
in
is
that
we
were
able
to
invite
you
know
all
the
members
and
members
or
designee
from
city
council
from
our
standing
committee
in
the
city
to
participate
in
the
interview
process.
So
some
you
know
we
had
the
participation
from
some
council
members.
We
had
some
staff
come.
We
also
have
representation
from
the
mayor.
You
know
the
mayor's
office.
That
would
be
there.
B
We
had,
you
know
our
staff
equity
staff
and
then
you
can
have
staff
from
opci
that
participates
in
terms
of
the
mpd
involvement.
Last
year,
like
we,
you
know,
obviously
says
another
member
of
the
joint
supervisors.
Well,
we
always
want
to
invite
you
know
the
commander,
so
commander
wheeler
was
invited
to
participate
in
in
an
observation
capacity.
So
you
know
that
way
they
can
kind
of
get
an
idea
for
what
the
process
entails.
B
What
we're
doing
you
know
like
what
this
looks
like,
and
I
mean
that's
something
that
we
feel
is
a
good.
You
know
a
good
opportunity
to
extend
to
them,
just
so
that
they
understand
sort
of
you
know
the
effort
that's
being
put
into
deliberately
recruiting.
You
know,
you
know,
like
members
and
you
know
being
very
deliberate
in
our
interviews,
and
I
mean
I
think,
for
everybody
that
participated
in
that
process
last
year.
You
can
obviously
speak
to
your
own
experience,
but
but
yeah,
so
it
was.
B
It
was
something
that
I
think
we'd
like
to
like
to
continue
and
definitely
saw
some
success
with
and
just
kind
of
bringing
out
all
those
people
like
it
as
a
layer
of
transparency
that
I
felt
like
was
appropriate
and
necessary
just
so
that
when
we
do
have
questions,
you
know
it's
one
of
those
where
you
know
there's
a
very
wide
range
of
people
that
can
speak
to
you
know
their
experience
with
the
process
so
yeah,
I
don't
know
if
that
didn't
cover
everything.
Let
me
know
I
can
go
back.
F
I'm
turning
off
my
camera,
I'm
having
internet
issues,
so
I'm
hoping
that's
helpful,
so
I
apologize,
but
I
would
just
like
to
say
that
having
a
police
officer
there,
even
even
in
an
observatory
capacity,
I
can't
remember
your
term.
F
I
I
think
that's
still
at
least
outwardly,
and
you
know
this
is
nothing
personal
against
any
individual
officer,
but
I
think
that
really
blurs
the
lines
of
separation
between
the
civilian
oversight,
space
and
the
police
department
and
it
could
potentially
cause
interview
subjects
people
being
interviewed
to
feel
that
they
had
to
somehow
amend
their
remarks
or
maybe
not
be
as
forthcoming
in
their
remarks.
F
If
there
was
actually
a
police
officer
sitting
on
the
interview
panel
and
when
I
I
did
this
commander,
wheeler
did
adam,
and
so
I
don't
know
if
this
individual
will
be
asking
questions.
I
see
a
hand
from
commissioner
sylvester,
commissioner
sylvester.
E
Yeah
I'll
speak
to
that
point.
I
think
it's
I
I
look
at
that
point.
E
I
guess,
and
I
at
the
time
I
didn't
think
anything
of
it
when
I
interviewed
for
this,
but
it's
almost
like
having
an
officer
at
a
gas
station
right
like
that
officer
might
not
say
anything
to
you,
but
the
point
of
hiring
that
off-duty
officer
at
the
gas
station
is
to
have
that
uniform
presence
there,
and
if
that,
if
that
person
is
not
going
to
object
to
your
nomination
or
ask
you
questions
in
the
interview
which
I
don't
think
I
received
any,
that
physical
presence
is,
there
could
be
seen
as
intimidation.
H
Thank
you
yeah.
I
tend
to
agree
with
commissioner
sylvester.
It
could
easily
receive
be
perceived.
That
present,
says
intimidation
or
something
along
those
lines.
Even
if
intimidation
isn't
the
right
word,
I
I
would
hate
I
would
to
for
anybody
to
feel
uncomfortable
or
less
forthcoming
or
less
straightforward,
or
anything
like
that.
Because
of
that
presence,
I
think
that
it
is
possible
that
it
has
a
deleterious
effect,
even
if
we're
not
conscious
of
it.
H
Oh,
I'm
sorry
and
I
devil's
advocate,
I
struggle
to
think
of
the
positive
effect
that
having
a
uniformed
officer
present
would
have
I'm
not,
I
can't
think
of
one,
but
does
that?
Can
anybody
else
think
of
one.
F
I
cannot
thank
you
vice
chair
sparks.
I
I
recognize
commissioner
pino.
J
J
If
I
didn't
say
that
my
phrasing
in
my
own
interview
process
was
catered
to
making
sure
that
it
was
palatable-
and
I
think
this
goes
to
a
to
what
you
know-
I
don't
mean
to
be
putting
words
in
your
mouth
andrew,
but
the
the
manner
in
which
this
invitation
has
been
extended
to
the
police
department
is
often
the
way
in
which
the
pcoc
engages
with
mpd
has
everyone.
Here
knows
we
don't
have
a
hammer,
we
don't
have
any
teeth.
J
We,
as
our
one
of
our
past
chairs,
say
you
know
we
we
wield
a
paintbrush
right.
It
is
influence
and
building
bridges
that
allow
us
to
have
some
of
the
success
that
we've
had
in
the
past
and
what
we're
looking
at
right
there
when
we
invite
a
uniformed
police
officer
into
this
interview
process,
is
exactly
that.
It
is
trying
to
extend
an
olive
branch
of
sorts
so
that
way
we're
building
a
a
functional
relationship
so
that
way
further
on
down
the
road.
J
If
we
need
some
sort
of
resources
that
right
now
mpd
is
not
obligated
to
provide
us,
there
is
a
kindness
and
a
functional
working
relationship
that
is
seen
where
being
transparent
with
them.
They
can
be
transparent
with
us.
Now,
I'm
I'm
not
here,
I'm
not
going
to
editorialize
that
and
say
whether
or
not
this
is
an
effective
process
or
whether
or
not
that
is
worth
changing.
J
But
that's
how
I
see
it
now
if
this
is
the
year
of
potential
change
with
the
with
public
safety
in
this
city
right,
but
to
dare
to
expand
this
scope
a
little
bit.
We
need
to
be
looking
at
the
functions
of
this
body
and
the
role
that
we
want
to
play
in
public
safety.
Now,
as
as
this
current
group,
but
also
in
the
future,
do
we
want
to
keep
wielding
a
paintbrush?
J
Do
we
want
to
be?
You
know
working
in
a
way
that,
inherently
by
the
requirements
of
our
criteria
of
joining
this
commission
is
working
hand-in-hand
with
the
police.
Do
we
want
to
go
about
it
in
a
different
way?
Do
we
want
to
ask
for
or
seek
some
sort
of
authority
that
is
different
or
lacking
for
what
we
have
now?
J
This
is
a
long
winded
way
of
me
essentially
saying
I
see
that
there's
a
a
role
for
the
police
to
be
in
there,
because
it
helps
us
build
relationships
with
the
police
department
in
the
future.
I'm
not
saying
whether
or
not
that
is
necessary,
but
I
think
that's
the
purpose
of
the
officer
being
there
and
I
think
it's
worth
a
discussion
of
whether
or
not
that
is
something
this
body
wants
to
continue
doing,
but
we
should
be
intentional
if
we
want
to
end
some
sort
of
dynamic
like
that.
O
All
right
and
congrats
vice
chair
sparks.
O
Yeah,
can
you
hear
me,
I
don't
know
you
hear
me:
okay,
cool
cool
and
congrats
to
you
as
well,
commissioner.
Sarah,
your
appointment,
but
I
just
just
wanted
to
make
some
some
quick
remarks
on
on
my
experience
you
know
being
interviewed
in
in
that
whole
process
on
the
on
the
topic.
O
I
do
remember
specifically
in
my
interview
that
I
was
asked
like
a
question
or
two
by
the
by
the
officers,
and
I
wouldn't
say
it
was
you
know
bothering
or
anything
like
that,
but
I
do
remember
thinking
like.
Oh
that's
interesting,
you
know
the
the
the
police
chief
or
who,
whoever
it
was
like.
They
must
need
to
approve
of
you,
know
the
entire
commission
and,
and
that
was
kind
of
my
interpretation
of
the
officer
being
there
it's
just
I
I
thought
it
was.
O
I
thought
it
was
really
interesting
and
it
kind
of
goes
to
commissioner
pino's
point
of
like
what
you
know.
How
do
we
want
to
be
intentional
moving
forward?
You
know
what
what
what
does
that
kind
of
look
like,
but
but
that's
it.
I
just
want
to
share
my
experience.
F
Thank
you
and
commissioner
pino
is
your
hand
still
up
or
your
remarks
complete.
F
Okay,
thank
you.
Thank
you
both
then.
I
recognize
myself
chair.
Sarah.
I
really
appreciate
all
the
comments
from
the
other
commissioners
in
terms
of
painting
with
a
paintbrush,
and
you
know
that
kind
of
metaphor.
F
I
will
note
that,
under
the
ordinance,
the
police
department
and
all
city
departments
are
required
to
work
with
opcr
and
the
pcoc.
To
the
extent
that
you
know,
data
would
be
needed
or
you
know,
some
sort
of
partnership
would
be
would
be
needed.
I
mean
that's
already
required
by
the
ordinance
and
I
would
just
like
to
suggest
for
you
know
later
discussions,
but
I
think
there
are
other
ways
to
build
up
that
relationship.
F
Working
relationship
with
the
police
department,
such
as
perhaps
a
monthly
meeting
with
the
director,
the
joint
supervisors,
you
know
and
and
that
phase
everyone
would
already
be
appointed,
and
you
know
there
wouldn't
be
this
kind
of
power
dynamic
that
we're
fearing
now.
So
those
are
my
thoughts.
F
Does
anyone
else
have
commissioner
sylvester
recognizing
commissioner
sylvester.
E
So
I
apologize
if
this
is
just
part
of
my
ignorance
here,
but
I
don't
believe
I
went
through
any
sort
of
formal
background
check
to
be
a
part
of
this
commission.
Does
anybody
know
if
we
actually
go
through
background
checks
to
be
part
of
this
commission.
B
I
can
speak
to
that
there's.
So
there's
no
formal
background
check
for
membership
on
this
commission.
It's
something
that
we've
you
know
considered,
but
at
this
point,
if
there,
if
there
was
it
would
have
been
an
elaborate
document
that
you
would
have
signed
and
been
fully
aware
of
so,
but
no
that's
not
something
that
you
had
to
do.
B
E
So
I've
been
I've
had
probably
two
dozen
background
checks
in
my
life
and,
aside
from
the
need
of
a
background
check,
like
a
formal
background
check-
and
I
absolutely
don't
agree
with
with
people-
with
active
complaints
against
the
cops
from
this
commission,
I
think
that's-
maybe
a
group
of
people
that
we
definitely
need
to
hear
from.
But
aside
from
that,
I
don't
really
even
see
a
need
for
input
from
the
police
on
commissioned
members,
but
I
do
agree
that
some
sort
of
formal
meeting
structure
probably
needs
to
take
place.
H
Thank
you.
I
just
wanted
to
say.
I
agree
with
commissioner
sylvester's
comments
about
ongoing
formal
meeting
structure.
I
think
that
is
a
lot
more
constructive
and
that
helps
to
build
the
certainly
trust
with
the
commission,
but
also
the
the
one-on-one
personal
trust,
personal
interactions.
Personal
rapport
is
very
important
and
I
think
there's
a
lot
to
be
gained
there
and
that's
something
we
haven't
been
getting
so
those
that's
very
good
insight,
and
I
agree
with
that.
J
This
is
a
question
directed
towards
staff.
To
what
extent
is
the
pcoc
I
mean
we're
all
expressing
our
opinions
on
the
recruitment
process.
Do
we
have
any
input
on
that
recruitment
process.
C
I
can
take
this
one.
This
is
assistant
city
attorney,
fussy,
that's
not
part
of
the
enumerated
authority
of
the
commission,
so
I'm
careful
on
that.
Obviously
it
affects
you
greatly.
It's
adjacent
to
all
the
work
that
you're
doing,
and
so
I
think
it's
probably
appropriate
to
have
a
discussion
about
it,
but
there's
no
specific
authority
that
the
pcoc
retains
over
that
process.
J
So
so
our
our
comments
here
are
articulated,
but
we
can't
make
any
any
formal
motion
or
action
or
direction
in
any
way.
C
I
would
largely
say
that's
correct,
I
mean
you
can
always
make
a
motion
to
request
a
meeting
or
send
a
communication,
but
largely
this
is
in
an
area.
That's
not
within
your
formal
authority,
and
I've
been
careful
lately.
I
I
do
think
it
would
help.
Maybe
move
things
these
meetings
by
more
efficiently
in
the
work
of
the
commission
more
efficiently
to
hue
more
closely
to
what
that
authority
and
duties
are
that
are
articulated
within
the
ordinance,
because,
I
think,
to
some
degree-
that's
fallen
by
the
wayside.
C
But
that
being
said,
you
know
obviously
do
a
broad
range
of
topics
that
you
look
at
and
that
are
within
your
within
your
duties
to
look
at
the
primary
duty
that
the
commission
has,
though,
is
to
make
recommendations
regarding
police
policies
and
that's
kind
of
the
the
meat
and
potatoes
so
to
speak,
and
I
know
that
there's
a
lot
of
time
spent
on
other
issues.
C
F
Thank
you,
mr
fussy,
and
this
might
be
a
good
point
to
mention-
is
that
pcoc?
F
You
know
current
members
are
not
included
in
this
interview
process
it
you
know,
so
we
wouldn't
have
any
sort
of
say
or
observing
power.
One
thing
we
could
do
is
contact
council
and
the
mayor
and
ask
for
a
staff
direction
or
recommend
a
change,
a
change
in
this.
You
know
policy
or
change
the
ordinance.
Something
like
that,
so
that
that
is
one
thing
we
could
do
with
the
commission,
and
I
do
think
it's
worth
discussing
because
you
know
who
sits
on
this.
F
F
Is
there
any
further
discussion
on
that
particular
on
I?
I
guess
I
I
brought
up.
We
spoke
on
the
mpd
participation,
but
we
didn't
speak
on
the
as
much
on
the
requirement
that
you
cannot
have
an
open
complaint
against
police
officers.
F
I'll
try
to
articulate
sort
of
what
the
community
member
was
saying
to
us
via
email
was
that
he
did
not
think
that
was
you
know
relevant
or
a
good
use
of
you
know
like
that.
F
We
don't
look
at
individual
complaints,
nor
would
do
we
discuss
them,
and
you
know
we
don't
really
get
to
look
at
any
detailed
information
ever
so
the
chance
that
anyone
on
this
commission
could
influence
the
outcome
of
an
individual
complaint.
I
I
just
don't
see
how
that
could
happen
under
the
current
structure
of
the
pcoc.
F
F
I
don't
see
any
hands.
I
will
say
that
I
share
that
community
member's
concern.
I
don't
want
to
exclude
anybody
and
a
community
member
also
said
that
there's
a
large.
F
I
can't
remember
the
statistics
exactly
but
they're
it.
That
fact
has
an
adverse
impact
on
the
african-american
community
because
they
tend
to
make
complaints
or
have
a
larger
proportion
of
complaints,
something
of
that
nature,
and
so
that
could
reduce
the
number
of
applicants
from
the
african
american
community.
I
believe
commissioner
mcguire
had
her
hand
up
first
recognizing
commissioner
maguire.
K
B
Sure
I'm
happy
to
speak
to
that.
So
again
I
could
say
one
of
those.
I
can
speak
to
his
friend
a
historical
context,
so
I
know
that's
been
a
requirement
for
a
while.
I
think
one
of
the
explanations
I
provided
recently
is-
I
mean
there's
there
are
some
similar
presidents
with
like,
especially
with
the
city.
Just
like
you.
If
you
want
to
go
for
like
run
for
union
leadership,
you
can't
have
an
open
complaint.
B
So
if
you
know-
and
I
know
that
we
have
something
like
that
for
the
panel
for
the
panel,
I
think
there
was
like
a
five-year
requirement
which
I'd
actually
asked
that
they
removed
last
year,
because
that
just
seemed
like
that
was
prohibitive
since
five
years,
obviously
quite
a
long
time
at
which
they,
which
they
did
so
both
of
them,
had
stayed
it
just
stated.
B
You
can't
have
an
open
complaint
and
I
think
the
idea
was
that
you
know
what
people
applying
might
not
always
know
the
scope
of
the
body
or
the
difference
between
the
two
and
so
it's
kind
of
ensuring
that
people
weren't
doing
this
with
the
interest
of
adjudicating
their
own
complaints.
With
that
said,
I
mean,
I
think
I
shared
this
a
lot.
You
know
I
said
this
last
year
as
well.
It's
like,
I
don't
have
any
it's,
not
my
you
know.
B
I
don't
have
any
strong,
hard
feelings
on
this
and
I'm
happy
to
talk
to
a
pcr
staff
like
we
had
spoke
with
equity
staff
last
year
and
about
this,
and
I
think
it
like.
I
actually
had
thought
that
it
was
gone
last
year
I
was
trying
to
look
back
at
historical
pages,
but
I
think
it
was
still
there,
so
I
don't
really
have
any
significant
objections
to
it.
It's
not
some
rule
that
I've
built
my
entire
livelihood
on
it
was
there
before
I
got
here
so
but
yeah.
So
it's
definitely
something.
E
Thank
you
so
much
to
me.
This
feels
like
buying
asteroid
insurance
on
my
house
right
like
the
chance
that
somebody
who
has
an
open
complaint
against
the
police
is
going
to
apply
for
this
compared
to
the
entire
population
of
minneapolis,
like
the
applicant
population,
is
probably
relatively
small
right,
but
it's
an
outsized
group
of
people
who
might
want
to
talk
about
the
conduct
of
the
police
right,
and
so
I
think
this
is
probably
I'm
really
happy
to
hear
andrew's
comments
on
this.
E
This
seems
like
a
pretty
pretty
light,
lift
to
get
rid
of
you
know,
and
I
think
it
could
probably
mean
a
lot
to
a
group
of
people
that
we
really
want
to
hear
from
that.
I
really
want
to
hear
from.
F
Thank
you,
commission
mcguire.
Did
you
have
additional
comments.
F
Okay,
thank
you.
Does
anyone
else
have
any
questions
at
all
about
any
part
of
the
pcoc
appointment
process?
Commissioner
sylvester.
E
Hey
I'm
wondering
on
this
last
point,
I'm
wondering
if
we
can
maybe
make
some
waves
on
this
tonight
and
is
there
any
way
we
can
send
a
communication,
maybe
to
council
or
somebody
else
who
has
the
ability
to
get
rid
of
this
one
little
provision?
Is
there
any
way
that
we
could
like,
as
a
group,
maybe
push
forward
some
movement
on
this
position
or
this
provision
tonight.
F
Yes,
commissioner
sylvester,
I
believe
we
could
make
a
motion
if
you
would
care
to
do
so,
and
if
the
commission
voted
to
move
that
forward,
I
as
the
chair
could
represent
whatever
the
commission
asked
of
me
to
counsel
on
the
mayor
or
account
you
know,
whoever,
whichever
office
it
needs
to
go
to.
E
Okay,
well,
this
would
be
my
first
motion
ever,
but
I
moved
that
we
make
a
recommendation
as
a
body
to
get
rid
of
this
provision.
F
Thank
you
would
the
clerk,
please
call
the
role
on
commissioner
sylvester's
motion.
D
L
G
F
Very
well
that
motion
carries
thank
you
for
the
suggestion,
commissioner
sylvester
and
I,
as
chair
will
act
on
behalf
of
the
commission
and
contact
the
council
accordingly,
and
you
know
mr
hawkins
you've
heard
this
whole
thing,
so
you're
getting
our
feedback.
So
if
you
want
to
start
moving
on
that
faster,
you
know
please
do,
but
I
think
you've
heard
our
opinion
on
that.
I
would
like
to
make
a
motion.
Commissioner.
F
Sarah
makes
a
motion
to
in
the
same
communication
recommend
no
participation,
not
even
observatory
participation
by
any
mpd
officer
and
I'll
just
share
that
I'm
not
making
this
as
a
comment
on
any
individual
officer
at
all.
Rather
it's
more
of
just
sort
of
the
chilling
effect
of
the
intimidating
effect
that
we
want
to
avoid,
and
we
want
as
many
people
to
feel
comfortable
in
the
interview
process
as
possible
and
that's
why
I'm
bringing
this
motion.
F
Thank
you.
Would
the
clerk
please
call
the
roll
on
chair,
sarah's
motion.
G
G
F
Eyes,
thank
you.
That
motion
carries
and
I
will
communicate
both
points
to
the
council
and,
as
we
have
mayoral
staff
and
other
city
staff
on
the
on
the
call
you
know
just
please
be
advised
that
this
is
the
motion
that
the
the
commission
is
taking
and
we'd
like
to
move
forward
on
it.
F
Thank
you
all
for
that
discussion.
The
next
point
of
business
for
discussion
is
staff
interaction
with
the
police
contact
oversight.
Commission,
there
have
been
a
flurry
of
emails
sort
of
behind
the
scenes,
not
public
on
some
different
points
and
given
open
meeting
law,
we
can't
discuss
them
with
each
other
and
we
can't
you
know
so
so
I
I
wanted
to
just
bring
this
forward
and
have
some
discussion.
F
F
So
the
commissioner
was
raising
a
very
valid
question
about
just
what
is
quorum
and
I
read
the
ordinance
this
way
and
you
know
it
was
a
perfectly
professional
email
and
question
to
raise,
and
there
was
just
this
vitriolic
response
from
staff
and
I
think
it's
worth
bringing
up,
because
it's
not
the
first
time
that
there's
been
this
sort
of
you
know
like
emotional
response
from
staff,
I'm
personally
having
some
interactions,
trying
to
arrange
a
subcommittee
meeting
and
I'm
asking
questions
of
of
a
particular
city
staff,
member
in
the
city
city
attorney's
office,
and
also
receiving
like
that
level
of
vitriol
in
their
response.
F
So
I'm
bringing
it
up
before
the
commission
and
I'd
like
to
open
it
up
for
anyone
else
to
offer
comments
or
questions.
Now
that
we
finally
have
a
a
meeting
where
we
can
discuss
it.
F
Well
then,
I
don't
think,
there's
a
commissioner,
I
can't
say
who
went
first,
commissioner,
pino
recognizing
commissioner
pino.
J
Well,
thank
you.
I
mean
I'll
I'll
simply
say
that
I
I
haven't
been
directly
involved
in
these
I've
kind
of
I.
I
know
I
am
somewhat
aware
of
what
you're
talking
about
chair
sarah,
but
I
I
just
want
to
speak
from
my
own
personal
experience.
I've
never
seen
anything
but
respect
from
the
the
staff
here.
I
know
that
some
others
don't
feel
the
same
way
and
everyone
is
absolutely
entitled
to
not
only
their
opinion
but
they're
entitled
to
the
same
level
of
respect
that
anyone
who
spends
their
time.
J
You
know
spending
evenings
volunteering
deserves,
and
I
know
that
tensions
run
high
and
in
the
past
two
years
tensions
have
run
higher
than
most.
I
think
it
is
been
a
failure
on
everyone's
parts.
Both
staff
pcoc
myself,
included
that
sometimes
we
see
that
we
are.
J
We
have
this
viewpoint
that
we're
not
all
on
the
same
side,
and
I
think
that
it
is
incumbent
upon
us
that,
even
when
we
are
stressed-
and
you
know
even
when
we're
having
discussions
between
volunteers
who
come
and
attend
these
meetings
and
staff
and
pcoc,
even
though
things
are
tense.
Sometimes
we
are
all
spending
our
personal
time
here
in
a
lot
of
regards
trying
to
get
something
done,
and
the
fact
that
we
haven't
been
able
to
do
that.
J
To
the
extent
that
I
think
anyone
has
wanted
so
far
this
year
is
a
collective
disappointment.
It's
important
that
we
we
don't
turn
that
disappointment
on
each
other.
In
any
regards,
I
do
think
everyone
here,
whether
their
staff
appointed
or
a
volunteer
are
here
with
the
best
intentions
and
I'm
committed
to
moving
forward
in
that
regard.
Water
under
the
bridge
in
any
situation.
H
You're
right,
thank
you.
I
was
muted.
I
guess
my
comments
just
mirror
what
commissioner
pina
said
in
a
lot
of
ways
and
I'll
and
so
I'll
just
keep
them
brief,
but
I
mean
we're
all
here.
For
the
same
reason,
the
right
reason
we're
all
here
to
improve
things
we're
all
here
at
night.
We
all
have
more
fun,
more
interesting
things
I
think
we'd
rather
be
doing.
H
I
think
we
all
a
lot
of
us-
have
kids
we'd
rather
be
spending
time
with,
and
it's
important
to
recognize
that
everybody
on
the
commission
on
city
staff
we're
all
giving
up
a
lot
of
time.
That
would
otherwise
be
good,
solid,
personal
time
to
come
here
and
do
this
important
work
on
behalf
of
the
public.
So
I
will
say
that
virtually
everybody
that
I
interact
with
on
the
city
staff
has
been
incredible,
very
positive,
very
helpful,
definitely
going
above
and
beyond
expectations
very
consistently,
and
those
interactions
are
nearly
all
very
positive.
H
N
E
Yeah
I'll
echo
those
comments
also,
but
I
will
say
to
me:
there's
like
three
fundamental
groups
trying
to
work
together
here:
there's
there's
city
staff
and
incredible
work
that
they're
doing
and
probably
one
of
the
hardest
times
in
memory.
E
There's
us
right
like
trying
to
figure
out
our
place
in
this
new
reality
after
the
murder
of
george
floyd
that
we
honestly
find
ourselves
in,
but
we
have
a
pretty
dedicated
group
of
citizens
who
interact
with
this
commission
on
a
real
regular
basis,
almost
daily
basis
via
email
right
and
like
there's
nothing
in
my
life
that
I
think
I'm
committed
to
to
the
point
where
these
people
are
committed
to
this
work.
E
Right
like
I,
I
love
this
work
and
I
love
being
part
of
this
commission
right,
but
there
are
people
that
we
interact
with
via
email
from
the
public
who
are
just
astoundingly
knowledgeable
and
committed
to
this
type
of
work
in
a
way
that
I
don't
know
if
I
could
ever
be-
and
that's
that's.
My
fundamental
issue
with
with
the
communication
that
I
saw
this
week,
is
that
those
people
weren't
necessarily
being
respected.
Right,
I
mean
you,
can
you
can.
H
E
Me
you
know
right,
like
I
break
and
when
you
start
when
you
start
hollering
at
members
of
the
public,
that's
that's
where
I
draw
the
line,
and
so
I
really
appreciate
you
bringing
this
up.
F
F
So
thank
you
all
for
engaging
on
that
point.
Okay,
I
believe
without
any
further
discussion
on
that
point.
I
believe
that
brings
me
to
the
next
item
on
the
agenda,
which
is
the
reports
from
the
subcommittees.
So
I
recognize
commissioner
pino
who
is
very
anxious
to
present
the
audit.
J
You
know
you
know,
I'm
I'm
always
happy
to
give
my
audit
subcommittee
report,
but
I
will
keep
it
brief.
We
had
two
major
items
of
a
business
for
the
audit
subcommittee
and
this
was
need.
I
remind
people
over
a
period
of
two
audit
subcommittees.
We
had
a
presentation
from
from
christopher
brandt
in
the
on
no
knock
warrants,
he's
creating
a
a
quantitative
analysis
of
a
non-announced
search
warrants
within
our
jurisdiction.
J
It's
really
interesting
we're
hoping
to
have
that
the
timeline
of
this
sort
of
research
be
completed
by
the
end
of
the
year,
which
would
be
ideal
that
information
if
you're
interested,
is
within
item
5
of
the
regular
september
meeting
of
the
pcoc
audit
subcommittee
agenda.
We
also
had
a
a
quick
discussion
on
coaching
as
well
for
those
of
you
who
might
remember.
J
We
are
in
addition
to
the
presentation
that
this
full
committee
received
in
coaching
there's
also
some
ongoing
legal
discussions
going
on
in
terms
of
coaching.
J
Unfortunately,
that
has
somewhat
stalled
our
ability
to
have
a
exploratory
analysis
of
coaching
and
we
are
hoping
to
get
a
more
detailed
understanding
of
the
extent
to
which
that
has
hindered
the
ability
for
us
to
explore
coaching
by
mr
hawkins
in
our
next
subcommittee
meeting,
and
so
we
are
awaiting
that.
J
Those
were
the
two
major
items
that
we
we
talked
about
in
audit
subcommittee
and
we're
more
than
happy
to
take
on
more.
If
the
the
committee
refers
any
more
research
and
study
to
us.
F
Excellent.
Thank
you,
commissioner
pino.
I
I
have
a
question.
It's
been
over
a
year
when
we
opened
the
research
and
study
in
conjunction
with
the
trans
equity
council,
I
was
wondering
I
don't
mean
to
put
you
on
the
spot.
If
there's
an
update
on
that.
D
J
We
have
not
received
an
update
on
that
as
of
yet
the
last
time
we
talked
about
it
again,
I
may
be
wrong
was
june.
I
can
follow
back
up
with
cassidy,
who
is
the
person
who's
part
of
civil
rights?
Who
has
been
leading
that
project
and
I'll
get
an
answer
back
to
you
as
soon
as
I
can.
F
Great,
thank
you.
Okay
with
that
and
without
objection,
I
will
direct
the
clerk
to
receive
and
file
this
report
from
commissioner
pino
next,
I
recognize
myself
who
will
present
the
policy
procedure
subcommittee
report.
I
actually
have
a
lot
of
things,
so
one
asia
we've
been
working
with
hcmc
kind
of
behind
the
scenes
talking
about
medical
training
and
so
on,
and
so
forth.
Hcmc
generously
offered
to
provide
ride-alongs
for
any
member
of
this
commission
who
would
like
one
and
I'm
happy
to
coordinate
that.
F
I
believe
you
would
ride
in
a
an
ambulance
and
you
know
see
what
see
what
an
emergency
call
is
like,
and
we
are
blessed
with
a
commissioner
whose
day
job
is
to
work
as
an
hcmc
paramedic.
So,
commissioner
sylvester,
if
you
would
like
to
maybe
just
say
a
few
words
about
that.
E
Yeah,
so
not
to
not
to
contradict
you
would
ride
in
a
gmc
yukon
like
a
chief's
vehicle,
basically
with
a
member
of
our
command
staff,
we
could
set
it
up
anytime,
that
you
know
works
for
your
schedule,
preferably
evenings
just
for
a
little
more
spice
in
your
life
and
it's
kind
of
a
once
in
a
lifetime
opportunity.
I
think,
for
a
lot
of
people
to
see,
from
a
from
a
literal
front,
row
seat
the
interaction
between
the
police,
fire
and
ems.
E
We
share
the
same
computer-aided
dispatch
system
with
police
and
fire
in
the
city
of
minneapolis,
so
you'll
get
to
understand
kind
of
the
way
that
police
and
fire
and
ems
calls
are
dispatched
to
minneapolis
the
amount
of
information
or
the
lack
of
information
that
we
get
and
the
difference
between
the
two
or
three
sentences
that
arrive
prior
to
arriving
on
scene
and
then
the
entire
complexity
of,
what's
actually
going
on.
So
if,
if
anybody's
interested,
I
mean
we'll
even
give
you,
I
think
I
think
it
even
comes
with
like
a
bullet
resistant
vest.
E
You
know
if
that's
like
safety
is
a
concern
for
you,
but
we've
got
a
lot
of
elected
officials
that
have
done
that.
So
far
this
year
we've
got
a
lot
of
community
members
that
have
come
along,
usually
a
couple
per
week.
So
if
anybody's
interested
we'd
love
to
have
you
as
a
guest.
F
Thank
you,
commissioner,
sylvester,
and
thank
you
to
hcmc
partners
for
offering
that
opportunity
to
us
so
I'll.
Just
take
it
offline
if
anyone's
interested.
If
you
could
just
send
me
an
email
and
we'll
we'll
get
you
we'll
get
you
in
the
yukon.
F
The
next
part
is
this
is
kind
of
a
long
story,
but
back
in
december
jones
day,
law
firm
offered
pro
bono
services
to
the
city,
attorney's
office
and
in
regard
to
arranging
or
excuse
me
negotiating
the
labor
contract
for
the
mpd
and
city
council,
gave
a
staff
direction
to
the
city
attorney
and
jones
day
that
they
should
confer
with
the
pcoc.
F
Just
to
kind
of
you
know
like
have
a
level
of
transparency
and
communication
with
the
public,
so
the
first
such
meeting
will
be
next
monday
and
I
will
be
attending
as
chair,
and
I
will.
I
will
provide
more
information
as
I
receive
it.
F
So
just
just
so,
you
know
that
that
is
happening
in
the
background
also,
I
did
have
a
meeting
with
a
few
members
with
the
city
attorney
city
attorney
router
and
mr
fussy
to
discuss
pcoc
access
to
data.
Thank
you
both.
I'm
gonna
sum.
This
up
and
mr
fussy,
I'm
sure,
you're
on
the
line
you
can.
You
can
make
sure
that
I'm
relaying
this
properly
today
without
any
changes
at
all
to
ordinances
or
anything
like
that.
F
F
However,
in
order
to
access
private
or
confidential
data,
that
would
require
a
change
in
the
existing
ordinance.
It
would
be
an
ask
to
counsel.
Essentially
you
know,
legal
minds
can
differ
on
kind
of
what
needs
to
happen
around
that,
but
essentially
today,
what
what
would
need?
What
would
be
needed
is
counsel
to
take
some
action
and
change
the
ordinance
and
give
us
explicit
access
to
private
and
confidential
data,
and
that
is
relevant
because,
for
example,
anything
that
would
identify
parties
within
the
complaints.
I
think
that
could
be
considered
private.
F
There
might
be
like
if
there
were
discipline
imposed,
but
it
was
still
pending,
so
it
wasn't
public,
yet
that
would
still
be
private.
You
know
there
are
aspects
that
there
were
roadblocks
that
we
had
been
coming
up
against
with
where
we
needed
some
information.
We
haven't
been
able
to
get
it,
so
I
just
wanted
to
share
that
with
the
group
and
mr
fussy
did.
I
summarize
that
legal
discussion
correctly
and
do
you
have
anything
to
add
or
to
share
with
the
commission.
C
Yeah,
I
think
you
did,
I
think
you
did.
I
think
that
wraps
it
up
pretty
well.
F
Very
good
does
anyone
have
any
questions
on
that
point,
hearing,
hearing
no
questions
or
further
discussion,
then
what
I
would
like
to
do
is
I.
I
hereby
make
a
motion
to
the
commission
that,
as
a
chair,
I
contact
the
city
council
and
request
some
sort
of
legislative
action.
If
you
will
so
that
we
can
access
private
and
confidential
data,
I
see
a
hand
up
a
commissioner
sylvester
recognizing
you.
E
F
Okay,
I
believe
mr
hawkins
has
his
hand
up.
Mr
hawkins
did
you
want
to
address
the
commission.
B
Yep
one
of
the
things
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
I
clarified
too,
is
like
going
back
historically
when
the
commission
has
worked
with.
You
know,
they'd
like
to
pcoc.
It's
like
the
reason
that
we've
been
paired
together
is
that
you
know
you
have
this,
like
the
reason
that
civilian
staff
are
supporting
this
group.
Is
that
they're,
the
ones
that
are
doing
the
day-to-day
work?
They're,
the
subject
matter,
experts
you
know,
and
so
I
think
the
idea
was
that
you
know.
There's
no
expectation.
I
mean
again.
B
I
can't
there's
no
reasonable
expectation
that
you
can
bring
in
people
for
this
commission.
You
know
we
try
to.
We
definitely
try
to
find
people
with
diverse
backgrounds,
which
I
think
we've
done
and
we
found
people
that
have
an
interest
in
some
knowledge
of
public
safety,
but
the
idea
that
you
know
like
they're,
like
they're,
going
to
serve
and
have
the
time
to
do
you
know,
like
the
micro
level
analysis,
you
know
I
don't
think
was
ever
was
ever
there
and
it
was
more.
That
would
be.
B
You
know
the
macro
higher
level
stuff
but
like
where
the
you
know
the
piece
was
connected
is
that
you
know
whether
it's
britta
or
chris
or
nick
or
carolina
or
whoever
it
is
it's
like
they're,
coming
in
day
in
day
out
to
you
know,
look
at
cases
do
the
work
to
have
that
stuff,
and
so
I
know
we've
talked
about
confusion
with.
How
do
we
identify
trends?
B
How
do
we
do
this,
and
I
think
you
know,
like
that's
one
of
the
things
that
certainly
you
know
we
kind
of
talked
about
encouraging
communication,
and
I
think
that's
one
of
the
areas
where
you
can
do
it
is
that
you
know
you
have
these
people
that
are
watching
you
know.
Some
of
them
are
watching.
You
know
hours
of
body
camera
every
day.
Some
of
them
are,
you
know,
going
through.
B
Okay,
you
know,
like
very
comprehensive
case
investigations
day
in
day
out,
and
so
the
fact
that
they
have
you
know
like
that
level
of
access,
which
is
actually
fairly
unique,
even
for
a
civilian
oversight
organization
in
the
country
you
know
is,
is
like
that's
one
of
the
biggest
tools.
That's
there
where
it's.
B
You
know
I
mean,
for
example,
like
I'm
on
a
community
health
commission,
and
you
know,
but
just
through
joining
the
commission,
I
don't
think
there
was
any
expectation
that
I
had
any
additional
knowledge
and
it's
the
city
staff
that
you
know
I
can
lean
on
to
provide.
You
know
that
updated
information
I
mean
again.
I
think
it's
relevant
because
it's
a
topic
that's
again
outside
of
policing.
It's
probably
the
next.
You
know
the
next
thing
where
we're,
obviously
you
know
in
a
pandemic
and
stuff,
so
there's
a
lot
going
on
there.
B
So
I
did.
I
did
just
want
to
like
sort
of
kind
of
reestablish
that,
because
I
do
think
that
sometimes
that
gets
lost
where
you
know
one
of
the
biggest
resources.
That's
you
know
that
lpcr's
ability
to
provide
is
staff
that
have
the
subject
matter.
Expertise
for
you
to
be
able
to
ask.
You
know,
ask
the
questions
you
need
to
ask
and,
like
you
know,
let
them
pull
from
like
the
well
of
you
know
all
of
the
work
that
they're
doing
you
know
every
day.
B
J
All
right
so
first
question
that
I
have.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that,
because
the
the
new
interpretation
of
what
we're
allowed
to
have
what
we're
not
allowed
to
have,
I
I
love
the
fact
that
we're
getting
new
information.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
I
understand
it.
I
care
about
getting
as
much
aggregated
data
as
as
we
can,
for
instance,
like
I,
don't
I
don't
care
about
a
particular
case.
That's
going
on
at
you
know,
36th
and
hennepin
I
care
about
you
know.
J
Generally,
you
know
for
a
given
area
or
given
precinct
how
many
complaints
involved.
J
You
know
someone
who
is
detained
by
police,
who
is
a
woman,
for
instance,
you
know,
given
the
most
recent
interpretation
and
I
I
want
to
make
sure
that
if
there
isn't
consensus
that
the
powers
that
be
speak
up
on
this
are,
are
we
able
to
receive
that
in
from
a
higher
level
of
aggregated
information
than
what
we're
currently
getting
now
or
what
we
have
in
the
past.
C
I
don't
call
that
data,
but
in
terms
of
our
position,
has
always
been
that
you
are
not
allowed
to
have
private
personnel
data,
but
you
are
allowed
to
have
submarine
aggregate
non-identifiable,
individualized
data,
and
I
don't
know
exactly
how
that
fits
into
what
data
is
available
in
these
case
summaries,
but
I
know
there's
probably
more
data
out
there,
that
would
demographic
type
data
that
would
be
submarine
aggregate
data
and
therefore
would
be
public
data
that
could
be
released
to
you.
I'm
just
not.
C
J
Okay,
based
based
off
of
that,
for
instance,
these
case
summaries-
are,
we
now
allowed
to
add
in
a
gender
race
and
an
age
range
identifier
to
each
of
those
case
summaries.
So
an
individual
was
detained
during
this
stop.
Who
was
black
between
the
age
of
35
and
45,
and
is
a
woman
for
instance,
or
is
that
a
because
those
categories
are
technically
pii?
J
Would
that
be
a
violation
of
our
you
know,
publicizing
private
information,
essentially.
C
I
I
generally
think
there's
more
room
to
allow
that
sort
of
data,
and
I
think
mr
hawkins
has
said
that
they're
there,
that's
something
that
they're
be
able
to
provide.
Obviously,
if
you
drill
it
it's
a
kind
of
a
subjective
test,
you
can't
get
too
specific
in
it
long
it
cannot
be
individually
identifiable.
So
there
are
ways
to
do
that,
which
it's
more
broad
categories
and
I
think
that's
something
that
can
be
done.
J
Okay,
because
if
that
is
the
case,
I
personally
I'm
satisfied.
I
in
fact-
and
I
I
tend
to
agree
with
the
argument
that
I
don't
want
to
be
burdened
with
the
with
the
knowledge
of
knowing
individual
privacy.
J
J
I'd
much
rather
have
someone
else,
an
intermediary
at
least
be
able
to
be
cleaning
up
the
information
enough
to
be
able
to
give
us
substantive
data
to
at
the
core
of
what
we're
trying
to
do
here
is
understand,
trends
in
policing
practices
and
how
it
applies
to
policy,
and
as
long
as
we're
able
to
do
that,
I
think
we
are
given
the
interpretation
of
what
we
just
said.
I
personally
do
not
feel
the
need
to
ask,
for
you
know
more
information
than
what
it
seems
like.
E
I
think,
commissioner,
pino
brings
up
a
really
great
point.
I
I
don't
really
care
about
individual
identifiable
pieces,
but
what
I
I
care
about,
I
guess,
is
like
broad
spectrum,
how
many
people
are
being
arrested
for
misdemeanor
defenses
in
the
first
precinct
in
the
month
of
july,
and
I've
always
been
deeply
uncomfortable
with
this
idea
of
like
giving
us
a
handful
of
cases
to
choose
from,
and
then
we
look
at
those
cases,
there's
not
enough
data
and
there's
not
enough
background.
E
My
experience
as
a
first
responder
is
that,
like
you,
give
me
this
very,
very
narrow,
set
of
information
right
and
but
there's
absolutely
nothing
simple
about
anything
that
we
do
right,
and
so
I
keep
constantly
going
back.
I
don't
know
if
any
of
you
remember
this,
but
we
got
a
case
where
somebody
said
the
cops
showed
up,
threw
a
guy
to
the
ground,
put
a
gun
to
his
head
and
threatened
him
right.
E
I'll
never
ever
forget
this
case
and,
as
I
tried
to
tease
out
the
information
in
that
case
from
city
staff,
I
feel,
like
we
kind
of
came
to
the
conclusion
that
multiple
body
cameras
were
looked
at
and
no
evidence
of
this
ever
happening
was
found
right.
So
I
don't
really
care
about
the
individual
complaint
that
was
filed.
I
care
about
broad
spectrum,
how
many
people
are
being
arrested
for
mr
meters
in
the
first
precinct?
How
many
times
like
how
long
is
it
taking
officers
to
respond
to
calls
in
the
fourth
precinct?
E
How
many
you
know
officers
are
available
for
calls
in
the
second
precinct,
like
I
kind
of
care
about
broad
data
on
a
precinct
level
to
really
kind
of
evaluate
mpd
versus
these
small,
and
I
guess
I'll
call
them
salacious
like
it
feels
very
salacious.
These
small
salacious
snippets
that
I'm
asked
to
choose
from
you
know
what
I
mean.
E
So
I
guess,
if
I'm,
if
I,
if
I
want
to
look
at
data,
I
want
to
look
at
system
data
like
I'm,
not
trying
to
just
pick
individual
cases
that
are
given
to
me
by
another
body
with
almost
no
real
valuable
detail
in
them.
Right
then,
I'm
just
supposed
to
say:
oh
my
gosh
wow,
this
guy
had
a
gun
put
to
his
head,
but
there's
no
doubt
or
there's
no.
I
have
to
tease
out
that
there's
no
evidence
to
back
that
up.
You
know.
F
I
think
this
is
better
a
discussion
better
had
with
our
next
agenda
item,
which
is
recommendations
from
staff,
because
I
think
we
need
to
understand
like
how
they
would
like
to
us
to
move
forward
in
our
case
reviews,
because
this
is
all
wound
up
in
our
case
reviews.
This
isn't
really
like
the
research
and
studies
that
we're
doing
so.
I
withdraw
the
motion.
F
The
only
other
update
I
have
is
that
our
next
meeting
is
going
to
be
really
exciting.
We
finally
got
the
data
on
misdemeanor
arrests.
We
have
a
data
scientist
from
st
thomas
who
is
able
to
like
pull
all
the
data
and
make
some
beautiful
visual
charts
for
us,
and
we've
been
working
on
this
for
months
and
I'm
really
excited
so
that's
happening
with
that
where's
my
script
with
that
and
without
objection
I
direct
the
clerk
to
receive
and
file
this
report.
F
Moving
on
to
our
next
item
is
our
discussion
item.
At
last
month's
meeting,
we
received
a
presentation
by
opcr
investigators
regarding
a
proposed
new
process
for
reviewing
case
summaries.
The
time
we
discussed
the
new
format
and
asked
staff
to
make
some
refinements
I'll
now
now
ask
opcr
staff
to
present
the
work
they've
done.
M
Hi
everyone,
I'm
virta
momani
and
I'm
a
case
investigator
with
opcr.
As
chair
sarah
mentioned,
I
presented
the
recommended
process
for
case
summaries
at
both
the
july
and
august
meetings,
and
then
I
also
walked
through
what
the
case
sample
summary
would
look
like
so
tonight.
I
just
want
to
give
a
brief
summary
of
some
of
the
benefits
that
we
think
the
proposed
process
will
bring
and
then
also
walk
through
the
specific
revisions
that
we
made
to
the
case
summary
sample,
based
on
some
of
the
suggestions
that
you
all
gave
us
at
that
last
meeting.
M
N
Yeah,
thank
you
bretta
being
a
case
or
an
intake
investigator
previously
and
now
in
this
current
role.
I
believe
that
this
is
this,
allows
it
to
be
more
transparent.
It
provides
a
lot
more
information
that
we
currently
were
doing
a
few
years
back
and
I
think
it's
an
excellent
way
to
provide
more
information
to
both
the
public
and
to
the
commission.
So
thank
you
very
much
britta
this
looks
wonderful.
M
Great,
so
thank
you
so
much
carolina,
so
I
know
at
the
august
meeting
you
all
had
brought
up
some
suggestions
as
far
as
information
that
you
thought
would
be
helpful
and
we've
kind
of
reframed
those
tonight.
So
I
know
that
specifically,
the
inclusion
of
demographic
demographic
data
was
mentioned
and
then
also
precinct
data,
and
then
there
was
a
mention
of
a
range
for
each
policy
violation.
M
So
I'm
happy
to
report
that
you
all
can
see.
Can
you
see
the
new
case
summary
sample
pulled
up
lisa.
Do
you
have
that
or
would
you
mind
pulling
that
up.
M
Great
so,
like
I
said,
I'm
happy
to
report
that
we
were
able
to
include
all
of
your
suggestions
in
the
revised
version
of
this
case
summary
sample.
So
now
you
can
see
that
on
the
cover
page,
there
is
a
reported
demographics
section,
and
this
includes
the
self-reported
race,
gender
and
then
also
the
police
precinct
in
which
the
incident
occurred.
And
then
you
can
also
see
that
the
mpd
policy
manual
range
column
has
been
added,
and
that
is
lisa.
If
you
could
scroll
up
a
little
bit.
M
Perfect,
thank
you
so
that
mp,
mpd
policy
manual
range
is
right
next
to
this
policy
implicated
section,
and
that
includes
the
range
for
each
allegation
so
yeah,
like
I
said,
I'm
happy
to
report
that
we
were
able
to
work
with
the
city
attorney
and
include
all
of
your
suggestions
from
the
last
meeting
in
the
case
summary
sample.
So
this
is,
I
guess,
our
final
draft
version
of
what
the
case
summary
would
look
like,
and
that
concludes
my
overview
of
the
benefits
and
then
also
the
revisions
that
we
made.
J
I
just
wanted
to
say
thank
you
so
much
for
making
the
revisions
and
the
work
that
you've
done
on
this
great
job.
Thank
you.
So
much.
H
F
I'm
going
to
raise
my
hand
and
recognize
myself
chair
sarah.
This
looks
fantastic.
Thank
you.
I
have
a
question
and
it's
only
because
I
don't
have
it
in
front
of
me
and
I'm
just
trying
to
scroll
is
it.
Is
it
still
the
case?
So
we
have
the
case
samples.
Is
it
still
the
case
that
we
would
also
have
sort
of
an
aggregate
data
report
or
maybe
statistical
data
for
the
entire
year?
B
Know
I
I
didn't
want
to
step
by,
like
I
didn't
know
if,
like
if
we
connected
on
that
one
or
not,
but
but
yes
is
I
like
that,
I
mean
our
plan
is
still
to
do
like
that's
one
of
the
things
that
we're
trying
to
add
to
the
website
where
we
have
more
of
like
aggregate
data
type
information,
but
britain
that's
like
I
stepped
on
you,
so
I'm
going
to.
Let
you
finish
up
on
that
on
that
topic.
M
Thank
you
for
stepping
in.
I
wasn't
quite
sure
on
that
point,
but
I
do
recall
that
we
would
do
like
a
quarterly
report
as
far
as
the
cases
that
you
all
have
reviewed
so
that
kind
of
aids
in
your
auditing
and
monitoring
function
and
then
kind
of
get
that
big
picture
lens,
so
that
you
can
reflect
on
all
the
case
summaries
that
you'd
seen
throughout
that
quarter
and
then,
I
believe,
also
throughout
the
year.
F
Excellent,
this
is
terrific,
any
other
questions
or
concerns
from
the
commission.
G
F
A
Commissioner,
sarah
aye
commissioner
crockett.
G
F
That
motion
carries
by
unanimous
vote.
Thank
you
all
and
thank
you
again
to
city
staff
for
making
that
possible
and
really
sticking
with
us
and
listening
to
our
concerns.
I
appreciate
that.
Okay,
public
hearing
the
next
order
of
business
is
a
public
hearing.
In
order
to
implement
the
new
case
summaries
format,
we
will
need
to
make
a
slight
amendment
to
our
operating
rules.
Those
same
rules
require
that
we
provide
an
opportunity
for
public
comment
when
we
propose
amendments
to
our
operational
rules.
F
I
Hello,
this
is
dave
bicking.
Yes,
I
would
actually
encourage
you
to
vote
no
against
this
rule
change.
Let
me
explain
the
the
summary
example
that
you
discussed,
I
think,
is
quite
good.
I
don't
have
a
problem
with
that.
I
What
I'm
concerned
about
is
the
selection
of
the
case
summaries
and
this
rule
change
actually
gives
the
commission
a
little
bit
more
power
to
adopt
and
modify
the
procedures
that
it
had
before
when
it
was
determined
that
it
had
to
select
three
items
from
the
set
for
review,
so
the
rule
change
makes
it
more
permissive.
I
I
The
suggestion
was
that
you
know
what
30
I
forget,
how
many
cases
will
be
chosen
at
the
beginning
of
the
year
and
five
looked
at
each
month,
but
what
it
removed
that
suggestion,
not
the
rules,
but
that
suggestion
removed
the
possibility
of
the
commission
and
the
public,
seeing
10
synopsis
and
their
outcomes
selected
at
random
and
it
removed
the
decision-making
capability
of
the
pcoc
to
determine
which
ones
they
wanted
to
get
full
summaries
of.
I
think
that's
a
step
backwards.
I
So
I
think
that
was
a
valuable
thing
to
have
those
synopsis
and
a
valuable
thing
for
you
to
be
able
to
select
which
cases
you
see
that,
rather
than
have
them
selected
for
you,
so
the
rule
change
doesn't
you
know,
put
into
place
the
suggestion
from
the
staff
which
I
disapprove
of,
but
it
permits
that
thing.
I
So,
if
you
do
vote
to
change
the
rules
here,
I
would
then
hope
and
urge
that
you
not
adopt
you
might
adopt
that
format
that
you
just
talked
about,
but
that
you
not
adopt
the
selection
process
that
has
been
recommended
by
the
staff.
I
think
it
takes
power
away
from
the
pcoc
and
it
takes
information
away
from
the
public.
Thank
you.
C
And
madam
chair,
maybe
if
I
could
briefly
just
address
the
amendment
quickly,
if
and
lisa,
are
you
able
to
bring
up
the
actual
text
of
the
amendment?
I
think
it
was
linked.
It's
pretty
simple
change
to
rule
number
10.
I
believe
thank
you,
and
so
there
you
go.
You
see
the
current.
Well,
you
see
rule
10
right
now.
C
The
new
language
is
underlined
and
the
language
that
is
proposed
to
be
stricken
is
struck
through
with
a
line,
and
so
if,
if
you
see
this,
what
this
rule
does
is
simply
give
you
as
a
commission,
more
power
to
design
and
modify
the
case,
selection
policy
and
procedure
as
you
see
fit,
and
I
would
point
out
that
you've
already
adopted
that
new
case.
That
was
the
action
you
just
you
just
took.
The
good
news
is
with
this
rule
as
you
work
through
this
new
process.
C
If
there
are,
if
there
is
a
desire
to
modify
or
change
it,
you'll
be
able
to
do
that
without
the
need
of
going
through
rural
changes
in
public
in
this
sort
of
process,
again
it'll
be
much
more
nimble
and
flexible.
So
I
think
this
is
essentially
a
formality
to
back
up
the
action
that
you've
already
taken,
and
it
does
give
you
that
future
flexibility
that
if
there
are
different
directions,
you
want
to
go
you'll
be
able
to
do
that
fair.
Much
more
simply.
Now,.
F
I'd
just
like
to
note
that
at
one
point
we
did
have
a
rules
subcommittee
that
went
the
way
of
all
things,
but
perhaps
this
is
an
indication
that
we
should
bring
it
back.
You
know
just
if
things
of
this
nature
come
come
up
again
in
the
future.
F
D
G
F
That
motion
carries,
and
I
believe
the
rules
will
be
amended
with
that.
We've
concluded
all
items
on
our
agenda
for
this
meeting
I'll
see
everyone
back
here
next
month
for
the
no,
the
regular
november
meeting,
seeing
no
further
business
to
come
before
us
and
without
objection.
I
will
declare
this
meeting
adjourned.