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From YouTube: September 19, 2022 Planning Commission
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A
Good
afternoon,
everyone
and
welcome
to
the
regular
meeting
of
the
city
planning
commission
today
is
monday
september
19th.
My
name
is
alyssa
olson
and
I
am
the
president
of
the
planning
commission.
The
city
will
be
recording
and
posting
this
meeting
to
the
city's
website
and
youtube
channel
as
a
means
of
increasing
public
access
and
transparency.
This
meeting
is
public
and
subject
to
the
minnesota
open
meeting
law.
A
At
this
time,
I
will
ask
the
clerk
to
please
call
the
role.
B
C
D
A
I'm
going
to
read
through
all
the
agenda
items
and
numbers
and
state
where,
whether
it's
slated
for
consent
or
discussion
consent
items
will
be
passed
with
staff
recommendation,
as
well
as
any
conditions
listed
by
staff.
So
if
you
support
the
staff
recommendation,
you
do
not
need
to
raise
your
hand
if
you
do
not
support
the
staff
recommendation
for
the
item
and
would
like
to
have
it
pulled
for
discussion.
A
E
Chair,
I
will
be
recusing
myself
from
this
matter.
Okay,
thank
you.
A
So
item
number
four
will
be
on
consent.
Item
number:
five
is
601
5th
street
southeast
staff
is
recommending
this
item
for
consent.
Is
there
anyone
who
would
like
to
speak
against
staff
recommendation
on
item
number?
Five:
okay,
we'll
put
item
number
five
on
the
discussion
agenda
item
number
six
public
alley:
vacation
vacation
adjacent
to
601,
washington
avenue.
North
staff
is
recommending
this
item
for
consent.
Is
there
anyone
who
would
like
to
speak
against
staff
recommendation
on
item
number?
Six:
okay,
seeing
none
we'll
put
item
number
six
on
consent.
A
Item
number
seven
is
1800
and
1826
emerson
avenue.
North
staff
is
recommending
this
item
for
consent.
Is
there
anyone
here
who
would
like
to
speak
against
staff
recommendation
on
item
number?
Seven,
all
right,
seeing
none
we'll
put
item
seven
on
consent!
Item
number
eight
is
1518
chestnut
avenue.
West
staff
is
recommending
this
item
for
consent.
A
Is
there
anyone
here
who
would
like
to
speak
against
staff
recommendation
on
item
number?
Eight,
all
right,
we'll
put
item
8
on
consent;
item
number:
nine
is
3001
through
3003
hennepin
avenue
and
1301
and
1409
west
lake
street
staff
is
recommending
this
item
for
consent.
Is
there
anyone
here
who
would
like
to
speak
against
staff
recommendation
on
item
number,
nine.
A
C
A
All
opposed
any
abstentions
from
item
number;
okay,
all
right,
so
that
motion
passes
and
the
agenda
has
been
approved
up
next,
we'll
handle
the
consent
agenda.
So
those
are
items
number
four,
six,
seven,
eight
and
9..
A
A
F
A
A
G
Good
afternoon,
president
olson
and
commissioners
before
you
today
are
two
applications
to
allow
the
establishment
of
a
cluster
development
consisting
of
an
existing
duplex
and
a
new
single-family
dwelling
at
601
5th
street
southeast.
The
subject
property
is
a
reverse
corner
lot,
located
at
the
intersection
of
5th
street
southeast
and
6th
avenue
southeast.
The
property
is
currently
occupied
by
an
existing
duplex,
which
was
constructed
in
1858
known
as
the
van
cleave
residence,
as
well
as
a
detached
garage.
G
The
property
does
not
have
alley
access
and
vehicular
access
to
the
property
is
provided
via
shared,
curb
cut
with
the
adjacent
property
to
the
north.
This
property
is
located
within
the
boundaries
of
the
5th
street
southeast
historic
district,
and
the
existing
duplex
is
a
contributing
property
to
the
historic
district.
G
The
applicant
is
also
seeking
a
variance
to
reduce
the
front
yard
setback
adjacent
to
5th
street
southeast.
The
property
is
subject
to
an
increased
front
yard
setback.
That's
established
by
the
adjacent
property
of
22.9
feet
in
depth.
The
primary
mass
of
the
proposed
home
would
meet
that
established,
front
yard
setback,
but
they
are
proposing
a
window
projection
that
would
extend
10
inches
into
that
required
front
yard.
So
they're
seeking
a
variance
here
to
reduce
the
front
yard
setback
from
22.9
feet
to
22
feet
to
allow
the
home
is
proposed.
G
G
Many
of
those
were
included
with
the
published
staff
report
and
quite
a
few
additional
ones
you
should
have
received
in
your
packets
today,
I'm
happy
to
go
into
detail
on
any
of
the
findings
if
there
are
any
questions
from
commissioners,
but
staff
has
found
that
the
proposed
project
meets
all
of
the
required
findings
for
both
the
conditional
use
permit
and
the
variance
as
detailed
in
the
staff
report,
we
are
recommending
approval
of
both
applications
subject
to
those
conditions
listed
in
the
report
and
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you,
andrew
commissioners.
Are
there
any
questions
for
staff
all
right?
Thank
you
andrew.
So
next
we
will
open
the
public
hearing
for
this
item
is
the
applicant
here
to
speak
to
their
project.
Please
come
forward
state,
your
name
and
address
for
the
record.
H
H
Give
me
a
second
here
to
from
my
file.
H
So
thank
you
for
allowing
us
to
present.
Today.
I
want
to
go
through
some
images.
Some
of
them
will
be
redundant
from
what
andrew
had
proposed,
but
some
additional
context
here.
So
these
are
images
of
the
the
front
of
the
home
here,
the
street,
the
previous
condition,
and
then
the
proposed
area
of
the
new
structure
between
the
existing
van
cleef
house,
which
is
on
the
left
and
then
the
other
house,
some
additional
imagery,
the
current
state
of
it
after
the
upkeep
they've
been
doing
and
then
the
current
image
there.
H
So
we've
been
working
with
them
to
create
a
new
single-family
home
on
the
open
area
adjacent
to
the
vancleef
house.
In
the
same
lot,
using
the
cluster
development
guidelines,
the
new
home
will
be
a
smaller
retirement
home
with
a
finished
square,
footage
of
1766
square
feet
and
a
finished
main
level
footprint
of
about
845
square
feet.
So
it's
a
smaller
home.
H
As
we
were
designing
the
house,
we
tried
to
create
a
home
that
would
be
sensitive
to
site
and
complement
the
existing
historic
character
of
the
neighborhood.
So
you
saw
from
the
site
plan
here
overall
the
area
to
the
north
of
the
house.
I
think
you
can
see
the
area
here
this
area
here.
If
you
can
see
the
the
cursor
has
been
designated
as
an
archaeologically
archaeologically
sensitive
area
by
the
server
we
had
done.
So
we
avoided
that
area.
H
So
we
minimized
the
footprint
of
the
house
and
tried
to
keep
it
smaller.
As
you
can
see
on
the
diagram
on
the
right
and
I'll
go
to
a
close-up
there,
we
placed
it
midway
between
the
van
cleef
house
and
the
adjacent
structure
to
try
to
minimize
shading.
So
it
has
a
22
foot,
front
front
width
and
it's
tucked
as
close
as
we
can
to
the
garage
towards
the
back,
so
we're
not
proposing
changing
any
of
the
hard
surface
other
than
improving.
H
What's
there
or
any
of
the
parking
or
the
curb
cuts,
the
only
changes
will
be
a
front
walk
at
the
beginning
of
it
or
at
the
front
of
the
structure.
The
other
gray
areas
that
you
see
here
are
for
the
cluster
development
they're,
the
common
spaces
that
are
acquired
as
part
of
the
cluster
development,
so
those
will
be
shared
spaces
between
the
structures
there.
H
This
elevation
shows
the
height
differential,
so
the
existing
van
cleed
house
on
the
left
and
then
the
neighbor
on
the
right
and
showing
we're
just
trying
to
maintain
our
height
and
keep
it
lower
overall
to
give
a
small
profile
and
then
the
imagery
that
we
already
looked
at
here,
a
few
more
additional
images
from
what
andrew
was
there.
So
we
tried
to
use
common
elements
in
the
area
and
but
not
try
to
mimic
anything
specifically,
but
do
it
in
a
way
that
would
be
would
blend
into
complement
spaces
in
there.
H
So
like
the
front
porch,
for
example-
and
you
can
see
also
in
this
diagram-
the
front
bay
that
we're
talking
about
here
this
area
here,
this
10
inch
front
bay-
is
the
what
we
need
the
variants
for
and
now,
when
we
designed
this,
I
always
I
thought
it
would
meet
the
variance
or
the
requirements
for
a
front
bay
which
are
allowed,
but
it
was
deemed
by
the
city
that
a
front
bay
needs
to
have
windows
on
the
side,
for
it
to
be
considered
a
large
exception.
H
So
for
that
reason
it
doesn't
we're
required
to
have
the
variance.
However,
if
we
projected
it
out
farther
and
had
windows
on
the
side,
it
would
work.
What
we're
trying
to
do
is
minimize
the
front
porch.
Keep
that
narrower
so
less
street
presence
and
keep
it
just
as
big
as
it
needs
to
be.
So
that's
the
variable
there
for
that,
but
we
wanted
to
have
that
element
in
there,
because
it's
going
to
add
some
some
characters
up
front,
keep
it
from
looking
too
plain
and
flat.
So
that
was
the
reasoning
for
that.
Overall.
H
This
diagram
here
is
what
I
I
think,
android
already
showed
this,
but
this
is
a
higher
contrast
version
that
shows
some
of
the
density
in
the
area.
So
the
shaded
areas
are
the
existing
structures
around.
H
So
you
get
a
sense
of
the
the
density
and
the
block
and
some
of
the
lot
sizes
on
the
block
as
well,
so
some
of
the
smaller
ones
in
the
json
homes.
Here
a
lot
of
the
the
discussion
so
far
in
the
hearings
has
been
about
density.
So
I
wanted
to
bring
this
up
as
a
consideration
here.
H
This
diagram
shows
the
two
blue
shaded
areas
are
the
actual
lot
and
the
existing
houses
to
the
left
on
there
in
the
proposed
houses
to
the
right-
and
this
is
just
a
hypothetical
to
show
if
we
were
to
partition
the
lot
which
we
are
not
planning
to
do,
but
that
there
would
be
space
and
the
lot
that
would
be
created
would
be
bigger
than
a
lot
of
the
existing
lots
in
this
district
overall.
H
And
that's
I'd
like
to
leave
it
there
and
then,
if
you
have
any
questions,
I'd
be
happy
to
answer
them.
A
Thank
you,
commissioners.
Are
there
any
questions
for
the
applicant
all
right?
Thank
you.
We'll
now
move
on
to
anyone
who,
oh
yeah,
sorry.
H
I
Hi,
this
is
my
wife
jody
and
I'm
leo,
and
we
want
to
build
our
retirement
home
next
to
where
we're
living
right.
Now,
I'm
hoping
all
of
you
got
the
letter.
I
had
sent
it
in
to
andrew
on
friday,
but
you
probably
didn't
get
it
until
today.
So
I'm
hoping
you
got
that
it
also
includes
approval
letters
from
three
out
of
the
four
neighbors
that
surround
us
plus
another
three
letters
from
people
in
the
neighborhood
and
we've
also
got
lots
and
lots
of
approvals
from
down
the
block.
I
As
all
of
you
all
of
you
know,
the
city's
historic
staff
and
historical
committee
found
our
proposed
home
to
be
access
acceptable
for
this
area.
So
today
I
guess
we
are
examining
the
acceptability
of
the
lot
and
the
use
of
the
cluster
development
to
build.
Our
house
as
andrew
has
stated.
A
cluster
development
should
be
a
good
way
to
accommodate
our
new
house
and
a
lot
and
still
leave
the
existing
garage
and
share
driveway
in
place.
One
thing
I
want
to
bring
up
today
go
to
that
last
one:
will
you
no
before
that?
I
I
So
in
doing
that,
I
came
up
with
a
45-foot
lot,
as
you
can
see,
which
are
exactly
the
same
size
as
two
lots
to
the
east
of
us
and
actually
bigger
than
one
of
the
two
lots
in
the
north
of
us.
So
I
want
to
quit
hearing
from
my
opponents
that
this
is
an
undersigned
undersized
lot.
I
guess-
and
also
if
you
could
go
to
the
next,
I
went
through
every
no,
no.
I
I
went
through
every
lot
in
the
historic
district
and
counted
how
many
lots
or
45
feet
or
less.
There
are
23
lots
that
are
45
feet
or
less
plus
many
of
them
are
actually
smaller
in
square
footage
than
our
hypothetical
lot.
So
to
me,
I
think
we've
got
a
very
normal,
typical,
very
buildable
lot
and
you
know
hopefully
you'll
allow
us
to
build
on
it.
I
As
I
stated
my
letter,
I
believe
that
using
empty
lots
is
just
a
smart,
environmentally
friendly
thing
for
the
city
to
do.
The
infrastructure
is
already
in
place.
The
new
homes
provide
additional
tax
revenue
and
additional
living
space
and
don't
add
to
urban
sprawl,
so
I'm
hoping
all
of
you
can
approve
our
new
home.
Thank
you.
A
Okay,
so
I'll
open
the
public
hearing
to
residents
who
are
here
to
speak
on
this
item,
I
would
just
say
you
know
this
has
been
approved
or
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
has
been
approved
by
the
historic
preservation
commission
that
was
appealed
and
also
denied
by
the
city
council
already.
So
I
would
like
to
keep
our
discussion
to
the
zoning
matters
at
hand,
which
is
a
conditional
use
permit
and
a
variance
for
that
bay
that
we
discussed
earlier.
J
Say
good
afternoon
I
live
across
the
street
at
6
18
5th
street
southeast,
and
I
submitted
my
comments
this
morning.
Let's
be
clear
about
what
this
is.
This
is
a
historic,
a
very
historic
property.
With
a
duplex
on
it.
That's
worth
about
750
000,
a
house
is
going
to
be
built
on
it.
One
house
is
going
to
be
built
on
this
property.
J
The
the
estimated
value
of
the
duplex
is
750
000
they're,
going
to
build
a
house
which
is
close
to
the
same
value.
This
does
not
serve
in
any
way
the
goals
of
the
2040
plan
or
the
what
a
cluster
development
is.
In
my
comments,
I
spelled
out
what
cluster
development
is
in
the
minneapolis
ordinance
in
minnesota
statutes
in
the
fact
sheet
from
the
extension
service
of
the
universe
university
of
minnesota,
that
cluster
development
is
to
preserve
open
land
and
pro
and
provide
affordable
housing
to
say
that
this
is
providing
affordable
housing.
J
J
This
is
a
serious
problem.
If,
and
it
starts
it's
a
precedent
for
every
historic
property
in
the
city,
every
there's
many
historic
properties
that
are
on
the
national
registry,
which
are
on
oversized
lots
and
now,
under
this
way
of
getting
a
wet
around
that
what
the
clear
intent
of
what
a
cluster
development
is
you're
going
to
have
apartment
buildings
or
duplexes
or
triplexes
on
all
of
these
historic
lots,
and
I
just
want
to
be.
J
I
also
want
to
make
clear
how
this
who
some
of
us
are
we're,
not
a
bunch
of
old
farts
who
don't
who
are
resistant
to
change.
We
live
in
one
of
the
most
diverse
districts,
there's
all
kinds
of
apartments,
there's
all
kinds:
there's
students
there's
we
have
group
homes
there,
we
choose
to
live
there,
we
like
diversity,
but
we
don't
want
the
city
to
make.
K
K
This
is
a
national
registered
home
and
regardless
of
what
historic
preservation
thought
of
that,
I
think
it's
a
shame
that
that
is
even
up
for
discussion.
What
does
the
city
want
to
do?
Does
it
want
to
it's?
A
different
discussion
than
density
density
is
all
around
us.
U
of
m
area
mercy.
Homes
is
the
most
suffering
the
most
from
density
right
now.
K
So
I
think
there's
some
confusion
around
that
and
confusion
around.
Do
we
want
to
remain
historic
and
keep
our
history
of
minneapolis,
or
do
we
want
to
just
apply
density
to
everything
we
can't
undo
that,
so
I
just
wanna,
you
know
I'm
reiterating
what
bridgette
had
to
say
in
my
neighbors
there's
been
multiple
meetings.
We've
all
showed
up
at
them.
We've
written
you
we've
researched.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
on
what
we're
saying
we're
on
there's
not
enough
space.
It's
short,
I
think
56
square
feet.
K
It
doesn't
provide
what
you're
saying
the
cluster
development
parameters
are
and
I'm
just
looking
at
that
parcel
being
sold
later
and
what
it's
going
to
do
to
every
single
historic
home
in
this
city,
you'll
set
a
price
precedence,
so
developers
will
have
three
and
four
and
five
buildings
on
some
of
these
larger
lots,
and
there
goes
the
history,
so
it
doesn't
qualify
as
cluster.
Please
look
at
our
letters.
K
That's
we're
abiding
by
the
rules
of
policy
and
procedure,
and
we
expect
that
for
staff
and
for
any
other
homeowner.
So
please
really
take
a
look
at
this
and
reject
it.
Thank
you.
A
All
right,
seeing
none.
L
L
When
the
applicant
first
approached
the
neighbors
in
homeowners
association,
the
vancleef
house
was
part
of
a
homeowners
association
and
at
the
time
they
stated
that
they
were
going
to
do
an
accessory
dwelling
unit,
which
would
be
perfectly
acceptable.
There's
a
four-car
garage
set
to
the
back
of
the
lot.
L
There
was
a
new
building
duplex
built
across
the
street.
That
was
set
way
to
the
back
of
the
lot,
which
ends
up
being
appropriate
in
the
historic
district
and
then
somewhere
along
the
the
process.
It
was
suggested
that
they
do
a
cluster
development.
Clearly,
a
cluster
development
in
every
planning
guide
that
you
read
anywhere.
The
notion
of
a
cluster
development
is
to
preserve
open
space,
green
space,
critical
areas
for
the
benefit
of
the
residents
and
for
the
community
at
large,
and
this
does
nothing
to
preserve
any
space.
It's
the
exact
opposite.
L
A
All
right
seeing
none,
I
will
close
the
public
hearing.
Commissioners.
Is
there
any
discussion,
commissioner
rainville.
G
President
olson
commissioner
rainville
a
cluster
development,
is,
you
know
it's
defined
in
our
ordinance
and
our
ordinance
really
defines
it
as
an
arrangement
of
multiple
principal
structures
with
at
least
three
units
on
on
a
lot,
and
we
have.
We
have
standards
for
cluster
developments
that
require
a
larger
lot
size
that
require
the
preservation
of
of
open
outdoor
space.
G
That
at
least
40
percent
of
the
lot
is
preserved,
as
as
common
space
for
the
enjoyment
of
the
residents
of
of
all
the
structures
on
the
lot,
and
there
are
requirements
for
the
distance
between
buildings
in
a
cluster
development.
There
are
requirements
that
buildings
like
this-
that
are,
you
know
a
single
family
home,
go
through
the
same
administrative
site
plan
review
process
that
a
regular
single-family
home
goes
through.
So
we
have
a
variety
of
requirements
for
cluster
development
in
our
ordinance.
G
This
proposal
complies
with
with
all
of
those
requirements.
In
the
comment
letters
there
were
references
to
what
some
other
organizations
say
about
cluster
developments,
and
I
think
you
know
the
conversation
of
whether
or
not
a
cluster
development,
as
written
in
our
ordinance
is
fully
in
line
with
how
other
organizations
talk
about
a
cluster
development
is,
is
a
conversation
that
is
potentially
worth
having.
But
that's
not
the
question.
That's
that's
before
us
today
with
this
application.
G
M
G
Commissioner
randall,
you
do
not
need
twelve
thousand
square
feet
the
minimum
lot
size
for
a
cluster
development.
I
I
believe,
is
5
000
square
feet
or
166
square
feet
per
dwelling
unit.
This
lot
is
also
large
enough
to
do
a
minor
subdivision.
So
when
the
applicant
first
approached
our
staff,
they
were
looking
at
a
variety
of
different
options
to
add
additional
units
to
this
property.
One
option
that
we
talked
about
was
a
minor
subdivision,
which
would
be
splitting
the
lot
to
make
two
separate
zoning
lots.
G
This
lot
has
enough
lot
area
to
do
a
minor
subdivision.
It
is
slightly
too
narrow
by
by
less
than
one
foot,
but
the
bigger
barrier
to
doing
a
minor
subdivision
here
is
the
placement
of
the
existing
structures.
So
this
property
has
has
unique
conditions
that
it's
in
a
historic
district,
that
it's
a
reverse
corner
lot,
that
it
does
not
have
alley
access
that
it
has
a
historic
structure
as
well
as
a
recently
built
garage
on
it,
which
all
restrict
how
the
how
the
property
can
be
divided
and
developed.
G
M
M
M
And
what
about
the
cluster
guidelines
and
the
attentions
of
three
dwellings
per
site?
N
E
G
Yeah
president
olson,
commissioner
marwa,
you
know
the
applicant
did,
did
look
at
doing
an
accessory
dwelling
unit
and
I
don't
you
know
it
was
over
three
years
ago.
I
don't
honestly
remember
exactly
why
they
decided
not
to
pursue
it,
but
with
an
accessory
dwelling
unit,
you
know
you're
limited
in
size
right,
so
an
accessory
dwelling
unit,
your
your
footprint
is
limited.
Your
your
total
livable
square
footage
is
limited.
Your
height
is
limited
more
than
more
than
a
principal
dwelling.
G
In
this
case
they
also
have
a
relatively
recently
constructed
detached
garage
and
they
could
not
keep
the
existing
garage
and
construct
a
new
accessory
dwelling
unit
as
well.
I
mean,
I
suppose
they
could
potentially
apply
for
some
very
significant
variances
to
do
that.
That
might
not
be
supportable,
and
I
there's
been
some
conversation
about
the
existing
garage
being
converted
to
an
accessory
dwelling
unit.
G
I'm
not
familiar
with
the
structural
details
of
the
existing
garage,
but
in
most
cases
an
existing
garage
cannot
be
converted
to
an
accessory
dwelling
unit
due
to
both
zoning
code
issues,
as
well
as
building
code
issues.
M
So
so
here's
where
I'm
struggling
this
started
out
as
being
an
adu
and
for
that
reason
withdrew
from
the
association
with
everybody's
approval,
then
also
it
pops
up
as
a
whole
single
as
a
which
had
support
from
all
the
neighbors
and
now
is
popping
up
as
a
single-family
home,
which
does
not
have
the
support
and,
and
I'm
just
trying
to
understand
how
the
heck
that
all
happened.
Do
you
have
were
you
around
back
then,
mr
friends,.
G
President
olson,
commissioner
rainville,
I
can't
speak
to
any
private
process
that
occurred
regarding
a
homeowner's
association
or
or
or
anything
like
that.
Perhaps
the
applicant
would
be
able
to
address
that
question,
but
I
certainly
was
not
involved
in
that
at
all.
I
Sorry
we
were
living
in
edina
and
we
weren't
very
happy
with
it.
We
had
been
there
three
years
and
we
wanted.
We
saw
the
publicity
about
adus
in
the
paper
our
daughter
lived
in
portland
everybody
in
portland's
got
an
adu.
We
thought
we're
going
to
retire
in
two
years.
What
if
we
did
an
adu
and
instead
of
renting
out
the
adu
we
lived
in
the
adu
and
rented
out
the
main
house,
it'd
be
a
nice
investment.
We
could
leave
and
go
to
portland
for
six
months
during
the
year
would
be
a
perfect
situation.
I
So
we
saw
this
house
we.
We
thought
it
was
plenty
big.
You
know
why
don't
we
do
an
adu
on
there?
You
know
I
thought
initially.
I
could
do
this
whole
process
myself.
So
I
started
talking
to
andrew
and
I
used.
I
thought
I
could
do
it,
but
I
pretty
soon
got
into
the
fact
that
there's
no
way
I'm
going
to
do
it
myself,
so
we
hired
an
architect.
I
We
continue
to
explore
our
options.
The
garage
was
a
main
problem.
There
are
no
footings
in
the
garage
you
can't
build
on
top
of
it,
but
what
I
learned
now
about
a
historic
district
there's,
no
way
anybody
would
ever
let
us
stick
an
adu
on
top
of
the
garage
in
the
historic
district
who
wouldn't
have
happened.
It
would
have
been
the
ugliest
thing
out
there
and
this
this
provides
a
much
better
solution.
It
seems
to
me
so
I
mean
it
was
a
whole
process.
This
didn't
just
happen.
I
A
The
public
hearing
is
closed,
so
I
think
unless
commissioner
rainbill,
you
have
any
other.
H
Okay,
just
a
couple
things
so
for
stuff
that
exists
in
garages.
It's
the
footings
are
not
adequate.
We
could
not
build
on
it
but
structurally
speaking
right
so
that
that
area
in
the
whole
northeast.
I
want
to
go
back
one
more
here.
If
we
look
at
the
existing
one,
this
whole
area,
this
the
garage
would
have
to
be
as
an
adu.
The
graduate
had
to
be
moved
farther
away
and
move
farther
west.
H
We
did
get
an
archaeological
study
done
and
there's
an
area
north
of
the
house
that
has
value
that
we
have
to
preserve
so
that
also,
if
we
would
move
the
garage
you
can
imagine
if
we
say
just
hypothetically,
we
did
that
we'd
have
to
move
the
garage
farther
west
farther
south
and
we'd
have
issues
with
size,
and
then
there
would
be
a
unit
on
top
of
that.
That
would
disrupt
the
drive,
which
would
also
disrupt
that
archaeological
area.
H
That's
there
now
for
the
structure
as
part
of
the
cluster
development
requirements,
and
then
the
other
part
of
this
is
if
thinking
about
a
retirement
home
you
know
having
to
go
upstairs
over.
A
garage
is
kind
of
a
challenge
from
that
standpoint,
so
everything
kind
of
pointed
to
having
a
because
they
have
it
set
up
now,
where
it's
you
know
closer
to
grade
and-
and
things
like
that,
so
that
that
that's
another
thing
that
I
had
in
my
mind
as
well,
so.
M
Man,
I'm
sure
I'd
call
upon
you
to
allow
a
member
of
the
homeowners
association
to
speak.
Please.
A
Do
we
need
to
open
the
public
hearing
again
if
we
do
that
or
okay?
If
there's
a
motion
and
a
second,
we
can
vote
on
opening
the
public
hearing?
Is
that
right?
Okay?
So,
commissioner,
rainville,
is
that
emotional
I'll.
A
All
right,
all
in
favor,
say
aye
aye,
any
opposed
abstentions,
all
right
so
we'll
reopen
the
public
hearing
and
let
someone
from
the
homeowners
association
speak.
Please
state
your
name
and
address
for
the
record.
Okay,.
J
J
J
The
homeowners
association
allowed
him
to
buy
the
two
units
in
the
van
cleave
house
as
a
because
we
believed
what
he
said
and
that
that's
what
he
was
going
to
do,
and
now
this
has
been
the
because
I
don't
know
for
some
reason:
they've
decided
that
doing
building
an
adu
was
not,
I
don't
know
too
much
hassle.
This
is
transmogrified
into
building.
J
You
know
a
brand
new
house
on
this
historic
lot,
which
used
to
belong
to
our
hoa,
which
we
had
preserved
as
long
as
it
was
in
the
hoa
existed
and
also
there.
There
are
two
modern
homes
on
our
block
part
of
our
hoa,
and
we
made
them.
They
were
made
to
build
way
back
like
against
the
alley.
They
are
not
it's.
You
know
on
the
same
street
setback
as
the
rest
of
the
homes.
Thank
you.
M
I
The
whole
thing
about
us
wanting
to
build
an
adu
in
the
back
and
that's
what
we
presented
to
the
van
cleef
association.
That's
what
we
were
thinking
we
were
going
to
do,
but
once
we
got
into
it
like
jeremiah
said
it
just
didn't,
work
out
and
the
representation
that
she
just
made
about
the
one
home
in
their
association
was
built
in
1988.
I
Give
me
a
break
anybody
walking
past.
It
can
see
it.
It's
set
right
there.
It
goes
by
none
of
the
guidelines
of
the
historic
guidelines
that
are
set
out,
not
one
not
an
architectural
style,
not
inspect
in
a
setback.
It's
supposed
to
be
right
up
there
with
the
other
houses,
it's
supposed
to
be
placed
the
same
direction
of
the
house
and
they
have
the
gall
to
say
our
house
is
out
of
line
their
house
is
out
of
line.
It's
almost
comical.
M
D
M
A
Yes,
I'm
going
to
close
the
public
hearing
if
there's
no
objection
all
right
as
long
as
commissioner
rainville's
questions
have
been
answered,
I'm.
M
L
It's
set
back
off
of
the
frontage
line
of
all
of
the
historic
structures
it's
set
to
the
back
of
the
lot,
and
it
is
constructed
of
materials
that
are
in
in
a
style,
an
architectural
style
that
won't
be
confused
with
the
historic
buildings
that
is
what's
stated
in
the
historic
district
guidelines.
Thank.
A
D
I
have
a
question
for
mr
friends:
you've
told
us
about
how
this
complies
with
all
the
various
regulations.
Of
that.
Can
you
tell
me
what
is
the
in?
Can
you
characterize
the
intent
of
the
cluster
development
ordinance.
G
President
olson,
commissioner
ford,
I
believe
the
intent
is
stated
directly
in
the
ordinance,
and
I
don't
have
that
in
front
of
me,
but
in
in
general,
the
the
cluster
development
provisions
are
intended
to
allow
a
more
creative
or
unique
to
allow
more
creative
and
unique
development
options
for
unique
sites
with
a
mix
of
low
and
medium
density,
residential
uses,
preserving
outdoor
space,
and
so
this
site,
which
I
went
over
some
unique
conditions,
I
think
is
is
is-
is
very
much
what's
intended
for
a
cluster
development
under
the
minneapolis
ordinance.
G
That
may
differ
from
how
other
organizations
address
a
cluster
development,
but
under
our
ordinance
it
is
very
much
this
type
of
project.
A
All
right,
commissioner
marwah,
can
I.
E
I
would
just
like
I
like
to
add
to
that.
Just
I
think
what
you
guys
are
trying
to
do
is
very
commendable.
The
ad
ordinance
has
been
very
cumbersome.
I've
heard
from
numerous
people
that
it's
been
really
difficult
to
develop
under
it.
It's
still
very
new,
it's
only
about
a
year
or
two
old,
so
you
know,
I
think,
working
out
the
kinks
and
hearing
how
it
was
difficult
to
develop,
especially
in
a
historic
district,
is
important
for
staff
to
also
know
and
why
the
cluster
development
makes
sense
on
a
site
like
this.
E
M
It's
so
important
for
all
of
us
to
get
along
and
to
listen
to
each
other
and
find
that
compromise
in
the
middle
ground,
and
I
I
know
that
the
2040
plan
allows
us,
but
I
I
just
struggle
with
the
division.
That's
been
been
created
in
this
neighborhood
is
terrible.
A
Right
any
other
discussion
all
right,
seeing
none
I'll
ask
the
clerk
to
please
call
the
roll.
C
A
One
day,
all
right
that
motion
passes.
Commissioners,
if
I
may,
I,
when
we
were
doing
the
agenda
earlier,
I
don't
know
if
anyone
was
here
earlier,
but
I
told
people
that
they
could
go
to
the
overflow
room
if
they
would
like
to
and
come
back
when
their
item
was
called
or
up.
However,
that
meant
some
people
may
have
missed
raising
their
hand
to
put
something
on
the
agenda,
so
I
believe
there
may
is
there.
A
Anyone
left
here
for
item
number,
seven,
so
kimberly
and
ken
have
suggested
that
we,
if
it's,
if
there's
no
objection,
we
allow
them
to
speak
and
then,
if
anyone
felt
to
me,
we
could
make
a
motion
to
hear
the
item
there
were
and
they're
in
here
now
yeah.
So
is
there
any
objection
to
that?
I
don't.
C
A
We
need
to
make
a
vote
or
yes,
no
objection,
you're,
good,
okay,
so
we're
gonna
go
to
item
number
seven.
Then
item
number
seven
is
1800
and
1826
emerson,
avenue,
north
and
yeah.
Just
a
short
presentation.
We'll
have
can
really
do
a
short
presentation
and
then
we'll
open
the
public
hearing.
A
P
Okay,
well,
we
appear
to
have
a
corrupt
file.
My
name
is
kimberly
helene,
I'm
the
manager
of
the
landis
design
and
preservation
team
filling
in
for
hillary
dvorak
who's,
the
actual
planner
on
this
item,
who
gave
me
this
presentation
that
I
can't
open.
So
the
item
in
front
of
you
is
emerson
village.
It's
located
at
1800
and
1826
emerson
avenue
north
the
applicant
is
proposing
to
construct
a
new
40
unit
residential
development
on
the
site.
This
would
be
done
as
a
planned
unit
development.
P
P
The
applications
that
are
required
include
a
cup
for
a
planned
unit,
development
to
allow
for
the
40
units,
site
plan
review
and
a
preliminary
and
final
plant.
The
only
exception
requested
through
the
plan
unit
development
is
an
exception
to
the
required
front
yard.
That
is
strictly
due
to
the
front
porch
on
the
building,
which
is
10
feet
to
the
front
property
line
where
the
required
setback
is
15
feet.
The
amenities
proposed
to
meet
the
required
15
points
for
the
beauty
are
underground
parking
and
an
outdoor
children's
play
area.
P
The
building
will
be
four
stories
in
heights.
Exterior
materials
include
brick,
fiber,
cement,
shake
and
panel,
and
all
requirements
of
site
plan
review
are
met,
so
there's
no
alternative
compliance
on
this
one.
So
with
that,
I
will
make
another
attempt
to
recover
the
presentation,
but
I
can
answer.
A
Any
questions
any
questions
the
applicant
is
not
here.
They
left
because
the
item
was
approved
on
the
consent
agenda,
but
we
can
hear
the
applicant
or
the
resident
and
if
we
would
like
to
make
a
motion,
we
can,
I
guess,
undo
what
we
did
before
and
then
push
this
to
a
future
meeting
where
the
applicant
could
be
here
to
speak
on
the
item
so
I'll,
open
the
public
hearing
and
could
the
resident
who
is
here
to
speak
on
this
item.
Please
come
forward.
Q
Q
I
became
aware
of
emerson
crossing
project
from
two
very
different
perspectives,
and
some
of
these
may
not
be
under
your
purview.
However,
without
your
blessing,
they
need
to
come
back
and
talk
to
the
neighborhood.
I've
lived
in
old,
highland
neighborhood
for
35
years.
I
live
a
half
a
block
from
the
proposed
project.
Q
My
other
perspective
came
as
one
of
an
attendee
of
my
brother's
church
in
the
suburbs.
The
church
in
the
suburbs
seems
to
support
this
project
in
the
neighborhood.
That
is
only
able
to
find
one
person
who
is
willing
to
come
and
eat
at
breaking
bread
on
west
broadway,
they're,
very
afraid
of
my
neighborhood.
Q
I'll
start
by
saying,
I'm
opposed
to
any
project
that
has
an
anticipated
100
percent
ultra
low
income
residence.
I've
been
told
that
the
entity
that
is
the
anticipated
demographic
for
this
project
by
definition,
folks
at
that
level
of
poverty,
likely
have
not
had
their
educational
needs
met
and
good
jobs
have
eluded
them.
There
need
to
be
role,
models
and
mentors
to
help
the
tenants
achieve
better
for
themselves
and
their
children,
beacon
has
intermittently
met
with
the
neighborhood
over
the
past
number
of
years.
Q
Q
I'd
like
as
a
side
point
I'd
like
to
say
that
whoever
coined
the
phrase
affordable
housing
should
be
the
pr
person
for
the
city
of
minneapolis.
It
is
hard
to
say
in
public
that
you
are
against
affordable
housing,
there's
a
difference
between
affordable
housing
and
100
ultra
low
income
housing.
Q
I've
asked
a
number
of
people
in
the
suburbs
from
the
suburban
church
if
they
can
point
to
any
project
that
beacon
has
which
has
100
ultra
low
income,
family
housing.
No
one
was
able
to
identify
that.
For
me,
I
agree
with
folks
who
say
that
homelessness
is
terrible.
There's
a
man
who
appears
to
be
about
60
years
old
living
in
my
neighborhood.
He
appears
to
be
mentally
ill
and
chemically
dependent
for
a
while.
He
was
sleeping
in
the
bushes
of
a
vacant
fourplex
on
my
block
that
burned
a
year
and
a
half
ago
by
arson.
Q
This
man
did
not
want
services.
He
said
he
was
fine.
He
said
he
was
an
angel
of
god
and
was
looking
for
some
opioids.
He
had
a
grocery
cart
and
a
construction
cart
full
of
things
also
large
piles
of
items
on
the
ground
he
defecated
in
the
alley
during
broad
daylight.
He
did
cover
his
feces
with
a
towel
when
somebody
called
him
on
it.
This
is
a
neighborhood
with
challenges.
There
was
a
murder
at
the
base
of
my
driveway
as
a
result
of
drug
dealing
at
a
rental
across
across
the
street.
Q
This
is
not
a
good
environment
for
young
children.
I
volunteer
at
nelly
stone
johnson
to
the
best
of
my
knowledge,
only
25
percent
of
their
students
tested
at
grade
level
in
math
and
reading
with
the
most
recent
findings.
The
last
thing
the
school
needs
is
more
struggling
students
who
are
ultra
low
income.
Q
I
asked
the
homeless
outreach
at
my
brother's
church.
What
their
response
would
be,
would
they
mentor
families?
Would
they
provide
tutoring
awkward
silence?
I
asked
if
they'd
be
willing
to
donate
bikes
roller
skates
ice
skates
hockey
gear
football
gear.
They
said
they
weren't
set
up
to
do
that.
The
neighborhood
has
repeatedly
asked
beacon.
This
is
probably
my
biggest
objection
if
they
would
enforce
a
code
of
conduct
in
their
apartment,
building,
e.g
consequences
for
drug
dealings,
weapons
on
site
and
prostitution.
Q
A
Q
A
A
D
D
I
first
of
all
I
I
think
that
the
city's
policy
of
allowing
too
much
concentration
of
poverty
is
a
bad
one.
It's
been
happening
more
and
more.
It
was
not
the
policy
some
some
time
ago,
but
it's
happening.
However,
the
planning
commission
is
not
the
place
where
that
gets
discussed.
That's
a
city
council
issue,
and
I
regret
that
it's
so
I
I
would
urge
you
to
go
talk
to
the
city
council
and
and
appear
at
their
hearing
when
they
consider
this.
D
That
being
said,
my
knowledge
about
beacon,
interfaith
housing,
and
I
know
some
people
who
work
there-
is
that
they're
one
of
our
more
excellent
housing
organizations
in
the
city
operating
in
the
city,
and
I
hope
that
what
they
are
proposing
to
do
is
in
line
what
they've
been
doing
elsewhere
in
the
city,
which
is
excellent.
A
Thank
you,
commissioner
ford
commissioner
fayola.
R
P
P
Yes,
sorry,
the
101
is
to
not
touch
the
microphone
and
I
just
did
it.
Yes,
the
applicant
has
met
all
the
statutory
requirements
in
terms
of
notification.
There's
a
requirement
that
the
applicant
notify
the
neighborhood
group
there's
no
requirement
that
the
applicant
meet
with
the
neighborhood
group.
So
that's
always
encouraged.
It
is
not
required.
S
Madam
chair,
I
wonder
if
I
could
just
add
a
little
clarification
as
as
the
body
discusses
this
item,
as
you
already
alluded
to
alluded
to
as
you
reopen
the
public
hearing
for
this
item.
The
body
has
already
taken
action
on
this
item.
S
So
at
this
point,
if,
if
the
body
is
interested
in
reconsidering
the
item,
the
appropriate
first
action
to
take
would
be
for
someone
to
make
a
motion
to
reconsider
the
item
and
then
at
that
point
the
body
would
purely
be
voting
on
whether
or
not
to
have
further
discussion
or
to
let
the
previous
decision
stand.
If
a
majority
decides
yes,
we
want
to
reconsider.
Then
you
can
take
up
action
on
postponing
the
item.
At
that
point,.
A
Okay,
thank
you
for
the
clarification.
So
is
there
a
motion
to
reconsider
this
item.
D
A
Okay,
we
have
a
motion
in
a
second
so
so
the
motion
is
whether
or
not
to
consider.
A
To
reconsider
the
item,
all
right
is
there
any
discussion
before
we
vote.
A
All
right,
seeing
none
I'll
ask
the
clerk
to
call
the
roll.
C
N
B
We're
voting
on
the
motion
to
reconsider
so
okay
favor
oregon,
commissioner
ford
aye,
commissioner
marwa.
No
commissioner
rainville
no
chair,
olson.
No,
that's
two
yays.
A
P
Yes,
thank
you
again,
commissioners,
I'm
presenting
this
item
on
behalf
of
hilary
dvorak,
who
is
unfortunately
out
ill
this
evening,
and
I
will
try
to
do
her
presentation
justice.
The
item
before
you
is
the
trolley
line.
Condo
development
at
4352,
zenith
avenue
south
the
applicant
is
proposing
to
construct
a
new
four
unit
residential
development
on
the
site.
The
site
is
currently
zoned
for
the
r2b
multiple
family
district
and
is
located
in
the
corridor.
3
built
form
overlay
district,
as
noted
here
on
the
zoning
map.
P
The
applications
that
are
required
for
the
development
include
a
rezoning
from
the
r2b
district
to
the
r3
district.
That
rezoning
is
really
just
about
the
number
of
dwelling
units
that
are
permitted
in
the
building
the
corridor.
Three
built
form
overlay
district
is
existing
on
the
site
and
that's
what
dictates
the
size
of
the
building?
P
Oops.
We
skip
something
here,
but
the
site
is
guided
for
urban
neighborhood
in
minneapolis
2040,
which
is
a
four
predominantly
residential
areas,
with
a
range
of
building
types.
2040
calls
for
higher
density
here
in
this
location,
with
the
placement
of
the
corridor.
3
built,
form
overlay
district.
Again,
that's
existing
corridor.
3
is
the
built
form
designation
in
the
comp
plan,
but
it's
also
the
overlay
district.
That's
currently
on
the
site.
P
Rezoning
the
site
from
the
r2b
district
to
the
r3
district
will
allow
greater
density
on
the
site,
as
called
for
an
adopted
policy
and
will
eliminate
a
conflict
between
the
comp
plan
and
the
current
zoning.
So
this
is
another
one
of
the
situations
that
we've
seen
several
times
over
the
last
year
or
two,
where
we're
essentially
compelled
to
approve
the
rezoning,
because
the
current
zoning
is
not
up
to
par
with
the
policy
guidance
called
for
in
the
2040
plan
and
as
state
law
says,
the
comp
plan
is
the
guiding
document
in
those
situations.
P
Here
we
have
the
site
plan,
that's
showing
the
need
for
the
front
yard,
setback
for
the
building
and
the
awning.
So
again,
the
required
front
yard
setback
is
32.4
feet
from
the
front
property
line.
That's
based
on
the
established
setback
of
the
adjacent
house
to
the
north.
P
P
The
string
test
doesn't
apply
in
this
case,
because
the
building
to
the
south
is
a
commercial
building,
so
the
required
setback
is
strictly
based
off
the
established
setback
of
that
building
to
the
north.
The
district
minimum
setback
in
the
corridor
three
built
form
overlay
district
is
15
feet,
so
the
established
setback
of
32.4
feet
is
significantly
greater
than
what
the
district
minimum
calls
for
the
applicant
is
requesting
to
go
to
27.2
feet
from
the
front
lot
line
or
sorry.
The
existing
structure
is
27.2
feet
from
the
front
lot
line.
P
It's
over
twice
the
required
setback
in
the
built
corridor.
Three
built
form
overlay
district.
The
applicant
is
also
requesting
a
variance
for
the
front
decks
that
you're
seeing
here
on
the
site
plan.
P
Those
decks
significantly
exceed
the
size
of
a
deck
that
would
be
allowed
as
a
permitted
encroachment
in
the
required
front
yard
for
multiple
family
residential
structures.
We
allow
decks
to
be
up
to
50
square
feet.
These
are
over
250
square
feet.
Staff
was
not
able
to
find
a
practical
difficulty
for
the
size
of
the
decks,
so
we
are
recommending
approval
of
the
building
placement,
but
we
are
recommending
denial
of
the
variants
for
the
decks
in
the
front
yard.
P
The
applicant
is
also
requesting
a
setback,
variance
for
the
decks
in
the
south
interior
side
yard.
I
think
you
can
see
here.
The
required
setback
is
seven
feet.
The
building
is
meeting
that
required
setback,
but
because
the
lot
line
angles
here,
the
proposed
setback
for
the
decks
at
the
narrowest
point
is
three
feet.
Staff
also
found
that
practical
difficulties
exist
due
to
the
curve
or
the
angle
of
the
lot
line
and
the
way
that
the
lot
narrows
to
the
front.
So
staff
is
recommending
approval
of
the
sideyard
setback
variants
for
the
decks.
P
P
A
So
are
these
so
they're
decks
because
they're,
a
certain
height
versus
being
a
patio?
Yes,.
P
Okay,
there
was
some
discussion
about.
We
have
captured
under
the
ordinance,
decks,
balconies
and
ground
level
patios
as
one
permitted
encroachment.
This
was
most
akin
to
the
deck,
but
regardless
of
whether
or
not
they
were
decks
or
patios,
they'd
be
limited
to
the
same
size
got
it.
Okay,
that's.
M
P
There
is
time
if
the
testimony
from
the
public
hearing
leads
the
commission
to
believe
that
additional
time
is
needed.
E
Hi
kimberly
a
quick
question:
what
was
the
applicant's
reasoning
for
the
oversized
decks
or
patios?
I
I
don't
personally
aesthetically.
I
think
they
look
great,
I'm
just
trying
to
understand
where
the
city's
rule
and
the
applicants
just
kind
of
explain
that
to
me
a
little
bit
more
I'll.
Let
the
applicant.
A
A
Well,
while
we're
getting
set
up,
I
see
there
are
quite
a
few
of
you
here
to
speak
on
this
item,
so
we
are
going
to
do
our
two
minute
timer
for
everybody.
A
U
All
right,
I'm
gonna,
let
that
sink
it
might
take
a
few
minutes,
so
apologize
for
the
delay
there.
I'm
gonna
read
from
a
statement
just
so
I
don't
forget
to
talk
about
anything.
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
allow
me
to
speak
with
you
today
about
our
project.
My
name
is
chad
hansen.
I'm
one
of
the
owners
of
sustainable
9
design,
build.
We
are
a
design,
build
firm
located
in
linden
hills,
and
our
company
is
also
the
owner
of
the
subject
property,
as
well
as
the
builder
and
the
interior
design
firm.
U
First,
I'd
like
to
mention
quickly
that,
in
addition
to
having
our
office
located
in
linden
hills,
my
significant
other
and
I
and
our
kids
are
residents
of
lynette
hills,
as
are
my
parents,
and
my
brother
and
sister-in-law,
and
our
youngest
attends
minneapolis
southwest
high
school,
where
we
are
actively
involved
in
that
school.
I
mention
this
primarily
because
we
are
invested
in
this
community
and
we
try
to
be
good
neighbors,
as
I
realize
that
in
our
business,
construction
can
be
destructive.
U
Second,
I
believe
it's
relevant
to
mention
that
to
the
south
of
our
property,
there
is
a
commercial
building
which
houses
a
brewery,
a
salon,
a
chiropractor
and
a
bike
shop.
For
several
years,
our
company's
office
was
previously
located
in
the
wood
current
wooden
ship
brewing
location
before
we
moved
our
office
a
few
blocks
to
the
east.
U
As
a
result,
we
worked
to
find
a
suitable
tenant
that
could
work
with
the
building
owner
to
accomplish
that
goal,
and
eventually
we
met
the
owners
of
wooden
ship
brewing
and
helped
broker
a
lease
between
the
building
owner
and
that
brewery.
We
feel
that
wooden
ship
has
been
a
welcome
addition
to
the
neighborhood.
I'm
mentioning
this
experience,
because,
as
members
of
the
limden
hills
community,
our
goal
is
to
make
positive
additions
to
the
neighborhood
as
much
as
possible.
U
For
example,
as
part
of
this
project
is
our
goal
and
sincere
hope
that
we
can
work
with
the
city,
the
park
board,
the
neighborhood
and
the
building
owner
to
our
south
to
find
a
way
to
beautify
the
former
trolley
line
and
current
walking
path
that
has
fallen
into
disrepair
between
the
parking
lot
behind
the
commercial
building
and
our
new
project
in
its
current
state.
There
essentially
is
no
visible
walking
path
through
the
parking
lot
other
than
a
single
dirt
track.
A
single
track.
U
Dirt
path
low
can
be
located
behind
the
dunright
auto
building
to
the
southwest
that
path,
then
empties
into
the
parking
lot
behind
the
commercial
building
to
the
south
of
our
project.
So
pedestrians
walking
on
that
path
actually
pass
through
the
parking
lot
instead
of
any
kind
of
dedicated
walkway.
While
the
former
trolley
line
and
current
walking
path
and
parking
lot
is
owned
by
the
city
of
minneapolis
and
simply
borders
our
property.
U
We
are
open
to
providing
pro
bono
design
services
and
a
monetary
contribution
to
beautify
and
reimagine
that
stretch
of
the
former
trolley
line
so
that
it
closely
mimics
the
beautiful
meandering
walking
path.
Just
east
of
us
across
zenith
avenue,
I
personally
have
walked
my
dogs
along
that
path.
Multiple
times
east
of
zenith
and
the
work,
the
city
and
the
neighborhood
have
done
to
return.
That
path
to
its
natural
state
is
quite
amazing.
U
Third,
I
we
feel
it's
also
relevant
to
point
out
that
our
parents
lived
in
the
subject
property
for
four
and
a
half
years
prior
to
purchasing
our
company
purchasing
it
from
them.
Last
year,
our
parents
originally
purchased
the
property
because
of
the
walkability
and
proximity
to
the
neighborhood
restaurants,
and
so
that
they
could
be
close
to
our
former
office
and
be
able
to
walk
to
and
from
their
home
and
to
our
office
as
they
are
involved
in
our
business.
U
However,
as
they
have
aged
the
home,
at
4352,
zenith
became
more
difficult
for
them
to
navigate
and
maintain
for
existing.
For
example,
the
existing
home
is
a
very
steep
interior,
staircase
and
just
a
single
bathroom
located
on
the
second
floor.
The
staircase
is
not
to
code
and
it
is
hazardous
to
anyone
using
it
much
less
someone
that
may
have
trouble
navigating
stairs.
U
It
was
important
to
them
that
their
next
home
have
attributes
that
would
allow
them
to
age
in
place.
Their
new
home
has
an
elevator
wider
hallways,
a
curbless
shower
entry
and
other
wheelchair
accessible
benefits
that
will
be
replicate
that
we
will
be
replicating
in
the
design
of
this
new
condo
building.
U
U
U
We're
proposing
to
use
all
electric
make
this
an
all-electric
building
with
no
natural
gas
connections
and
in
the
hvac
systems,
therefore,
will
be
extremely
energy
efficient.
U
My
fifth
and
final
point
is
when
my
colleague
met
with
some
of
the
neighbors
last
week.
There
was
some
understand,
understandably
confused
dialogue
about
what
the
corridor
three
versus
the
interior
to
built
form
district
means
to
the
public.
U
I'd
just
like
to
point
out
that
had
another
developer
or
builder
owned
this
property,
this
could
have
been
the
type
of
proposal
that
would
have
been
presented
to
this
committee
tonight.
On
the
other
hand,
our
proposal
is
to
build
four
units
with
eight
underground
park,
parking
stalls
and
ample
bike
storage,
while
covering
just
48
percent
of
the
the
lot
with
impervious
surface
versus
the
60
that
is
allowed.
In
summary,
the
corridor
three
build
form
district
would
have
allowed
us
to
increase
the
foundation's
footprint
of
the
building
by
an
approximately
additional
1
000
square
feet.
U
We
could
have
also
added
approximately
4
500
additional
finished
square
feet
to
the
structure
and
we
could
have
added
a
four
story
to
the
top
of
the
building
and,
finally,
those
two
upper
floors
had
been
in
the
design
would
have
been
pushed.
The
edges
of
this
could
have
been
pushed
to
the
edges
of
the
structure.
Instead,
we
have
chosen
to
design
a
four
unit
condo
building
where
the
upper
story
is
pulled
back
from
the
sides
of
the
structure,
so
essentially
minimizing
its
impact
from
the
street
or
the
human
level.
U
U
E
Can
I
ask
the
applicant
a
question
yeah
go
ahead,
commissioner
marwa.
I
just
wanted
to
understand
a
little
bit
more
about
the
the
oversized
patios.
If
you
will,
can
you.
U
E
A
little
bit
more
about
why
and
just
kind
of
why
the
design.
U
A
U
Okay,
yeah:
it's
working.
You
see
that,
while
that's
playing,
you
can
kind
of
see
the
neighbor
being
housed
to
the
north,
the
driveway
there
and
then
the
the
predominantly
two-story
structure
with
the
third
story
pulled
back
from
the
street
on
the
front
and
the
sides
and
then
the
parking
garage
in
the
middle.
U
If
you
haven't
been
there,
yet
that's
a
very
busy
place
in
the
summer
time.
So
all
the
trees
represented
here
are
either
represent,
either
the
current
trees
on
the
site
or
tree
that
we
are
planning
on
planting
those
three
trees
in
the
back
left
corner
there
of
the
building,
as
well
as
the
all
the
plants
in
that
area.
That's
all
part
of
our
application
you'll
see
that
the
units
also
have
rooftop
decks.
What's
not
shown
on
the
build
and
the
rendering
are
the
solar
panels,
but
those
are
intended
for
that
upper
roof
deck
there.
U
E
Tenants
or
lease
you
know
you
already
had:
no,
we
haven't.
Oh,
you
did
not.
U
E
I
really
I
love
the
design
of
this.
I
think
this
is
very
cool
and
I
love
that
you're
from
the
neighborhood
and
you
live
in
the
neighborhood,
I'm
actually
very
shocked
tonight
how
we've
had
two
applicants
from
within
their
own
neighborhoods
building
in
their
neighborhood
and
how
much
pushback
we've
gotten,
because
this
is
what
we
love
to
see.
This
is
what
we
want
more
of,
and
we
often
see
out
of
town
or
out
of
neighborhood
or
out
of
area
and
don't
know
the
context.
E
So
I
love
that
you're
from
this
from
your
actual
neighborhood,
where
you're
trying
to
develop
also,
I
think,
also
the
fact
that,
if
you're
looking
at
retirees
or
people
in
wheelchairs,
these
oversized
patios
are
great.
I
live
in
a
condo
building.
The
balconies
are
very
small,
there's
number
of
people
who
are
in
wheelchairs,
so
I
can
only
imagine
how
difficult
small
spaces
are.
This,
I
think,
has
such
a
cool
connection
to
the
street
level
and-
and
I
actually
think
these
oversized
balconies
make
a
lot
of
sense
so
anyway,
thank
you.
A
All
right,
commissioners,
any
other
questions
for
the
applicant
before
we
move
on
in
the
public
hearing
all
right,
I
don't
see
any
so.
Thank
you
so
we'll
move
on
to
the
public
hearing,
like
I
mentioned
before
we're
going
to
do
a
two
minute
timer
for
everyone.
A
Yeah,
can
you
pause
the
video.
V
V
W
V
V
This
is
my
interior
living
room
and
undeniably
the
focal
and
primary
point
of
my
house
are
these
windows.
Everyone
would
be
looking
at
a
wall.
The
proposed
design
is
an
elevator
shaft,
with
two
hvacs
set
less
than
set
feet
at
seven
feet.
Back
with
the
hvacs
being
closer
to
my
home,
causing
constant
noise,
I
have
eradication
of
all
my
natural
light
and
obviously
privacy
issues
with
the
green
space
peering
into
my
into
my
home
windows
and
yard.
V
I'd
just
like
to
say
I
am
a
17
year
old,
homeowner
I've
lived
there
17
years,
I'm
a
single
mom.
I
work
about
70
hours
a
week.
I
love
my
home.
I
love
my
community.
This
is
my
son.
I
can't
tell
you
how
much
we
love
our
home.
I
work
70
hours
a
week
because
of
how
much
I
love
my
home.
The
staff
report
claims
that
this
property
will
not
be
injurious
in
any
way
to
the
enjoyment
of
nearby
properties
nor
property
value.
V
I
understand
there's
probably
an
argument
that
this
will
raise
or
keep
the
same
property
values.
I
don't
think
a
reasonable
person
can
look
at
this
and
say
my
property
value
is
not
going
to
be
dramatically
affected.
I've
heard
conservative
estimates
of
10
to
15
percent.
My
home
is
my
only
financial
asset
as
a
single
professional
mom.
I
have
no
other
assets.
V
This
will
harm
me
in
lifestyle,
ways
and
financial
ways.
Untold
there's,
absolutely
no
renderings
of
the
backside.
There's
no
light
study.
We
are
asking
for
these.
May
please
also
say
I
have
never
met
mr
hansen.
There's
been
no
attempt
to
communicate
with
neighbors.
I
became
aware
of
this
five
days
ago.
Through
a
neighbor
I
never
was
received
a
notice.
I
asked
sustainable
nine
when
at
a
neighbor's
house
is
there
a
september
19th
meeting.
I
was
directly
told
no
to
my
face.
I
was
directed
to
an
october
20th
meeting.
V
I
am
imploring
please
for
some
backsight
backyard
oversight
for
neighbors.
There's
a
lot
of
attention
to
the
front
backyard.
Neighbors
I've
been
a
long
time,
homeowner
2040.
This
is
not
the
interpretation
and
there
will
be
tremendous
backlash
this
being
a
forerunner
of
the
of
the
of
these
projects.
Please
delay
this.
Please
force
some
opportunity
for
public
awareness
of
this
we've
been
doing
roots
to
get
this
out
uniformly.
Everyone's
opposed
and
vehemently
opposed
to.
V
Wrap
it
up,
please,
okay,
I'm
so
sorry
I
I
just.
I
would
like
the
developer
to
be
talking
with
the
neighbors
and
working
out.
There
are
things
they
can
be
doing
with
their
designs
like
putting
hvacs
on
the
on
the
top
or
for
noise
mitigation
or
iv
walls
or
changing
the
placement.
That
would
help
our
lives
tremendously,
and
none
of
that
has
happened.
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
O
My
name
is
mary
brown
and
I
live
at
4348
zenith
avenue
south,
so
I'm
the
next
door
neighbor
to
this
property.
On
the
north
side,
I
have
the
following
three
concerns
regarding
this
proposal
number
one.
I
am
one
of
only
six
single-family
home
owners
with
properties
immediately
adjacent
to
this
to
four
three
4352.
O
According
to
the
lyndon
hills,
neighborhood
council
website,
in
order
to
begin
to
apply
for
a
zoning
variance
in
lyndon
hills,
a
builder
is
required
to
provide
all
adjacent
neighbors
with
a
list
of
information
regarding
the
proposed
variants.
They
must
also
get
the
signatures
of
these
neighbors.
This
has
not
happened.
In
fact,
most
of
the
proposal
that
was
shown
here
tonight
is
news
to
us.
O
Also,
none
of
us
have
been
informed
of
the
date
or
time
of
the
meeting
at
which
this
request
for
variants
will
be
presented
to
the
zoning
committee
of
the
linden
hills
community
council
now
chad
made
it
sound
like
that
meeting
has
already
happened
and
the
four
adjacent
property
owners
were
not
informed
of
it
number
two
I'm
concerned
about
the
environmental
impact
of
the
pro
pros
project.
It
appears
that
at
least
six
to
eight
mature
trees
will
need
to
be
removed.
O
How
does
removing
six
to
eight
mature
trees,
80
to
100
years
old
and
adversely
affecting
the
health
of
an
additional
six
to
eight
others,
support
these
goals?
To
me,
this
is
an
excellent
example
of
what
has
been
termed
greenwashing
number
three.
I
have
also
supported
the
2040
plan
because
I'm
an
advocate
for
justice
and
equality
and
housing.
This
is
not
what
I
see
happening
with
the
new
housing
in
the
neighborhood.
O
A
O
X
Thank
you.
My
name
is
john
lampert,
I'm
mary's
spouse.
I
live
at
4348
zenith
appreciate
your
time
I
have.
I
have
I'm
not
going
to
duplicate
a
concern
of
hers.
I
will
share
two
concerns
that
I
have
the
first
is
you
know.
The
spirit
of
the
2040
plan
includes
avoiding
adverse
impact
on
adjacent
properties.
X
The
current
plan
for
4352
zenith
condominium
project
is
of
a
tall
height
with
minimal
setbacks
such
that
adjacent
properties
will
experience,
reduced,
sunlight
and
suffer
a
walled
in
effect,
and
this
will
negatively
impact
property
values.
The
footprint
for
the
proposed
building
is
enormous
and
scales
poorly
with
the
aesthetic
of
the
neighborhood.
X
The
second
thing
I'd
like
to
speak
to
is
the
water,
runoff
and
drainage
plan
for
the
new
condominium
on
an
april
22nd
phone
call,
I
had
with
chad
hanson
one
of
the
owners
of
sustainable
nine.
He
indicated
sustainable
nine
had
a
meeting
scheduled
approximately
april
29th
with
the
city
of
minneapolis
to
discuss
the
drainage
impact
to
adjacent
properties
in
constructing
this
condominium.
X
Y
That's
one.
M
Y
My
name
is
sharon
kennedy.
I
live
at
4347,
abbott
avenue
south.
I
am
lot
10
on
the
developers
schematic
architectural
site
plan.
I
lived
there
for
for
31
years,
my
backyard
abuts,
the
proposed
4352
zenith
development.
I
strongly
oppose
this
development
for
many
reasons,
several
of
which
you've
already
heard
and.
Y
Y
Y
My
house
is
not
at
all
represented
in
that,
as
as
stephanie's
is
not
also,
the
only
visualization
I
have
ever
seen
is
the
drawing
the
one
elevation
drawing,
and
this
does
not
detail
detail
the
depth
of
the
grade
change.
Y
Y
This
one
you'll
see
that
there's
there
the
retaining
wall,
that
is
where
the
line
will
be.
That's
where
the
the
grade
will
be
they're
going
to
fill
in.
Y
They
have
filled
in
the
raising
it
to
the
level
of
the
trolley
right
of
way,
the
entire
length
of
the
property
and
doing
so.
The
grade
changed
next
to
my
yard.
Southeast
corner
is
somewhere
between
four
and
six
feet
above
the
natural
grade.
They
put
a
retaining
wall
in
and
to
harness
the
added
soil.
Y
Y
Okay,
I
request
this
council
delay
any
decision
on
this
petition
due
to
the
lack
of
timely
notification
to
the
abutting
neighbors,
and
I
encourage
you
to
deny
this
developer's
petitioned
to
this
building
to
build
this
monolith
of
a
building
in
my
backyard,
on
the
grounds
that
they
have
dramatically
changed
the
grade
of
the
lot
which,
to
my
understanding,
is
not
permissible.
A
Thank
you.
You
guys,
I
really
mean
two
minutes,
so
I
would
rather
not
cut
you
off.
Commissioner
marwa
has
a
question
for
the
developer.
If
you
could
come
back,
I.
U
U
That
question
so
the
last
neighbor
that
spoke
is
correct,
so
my
poly,
my
colleague,
paul,
went
to
each
of
them
directly
impacted,
neighbors
and
knocked
on
their
door.
A
week
ago
monday,
when
we
were
informed
by
the
neighborhood,
the
linen
hills,
neighborhood
council-
that
we
would
they
would
they
requested
that
we
present
this
to
the
council,
the
neighborhood
council
last
last
week,
and
they
said
they
told
us
the
friday
before
that
please
go
to
the
neighbors
and
have
these
signatures
and
that
you've
spoken
to
them.
U
U
Normally,
when
we
build
within
minneapolis
we're
required
to
have
a
neighborhood
meeting
further
along
in
the
process,
and
that
still
has
yet
to
come,
and
so
this
pre-meeting
with
the
neighborhood
council
was
a
new
thing
for
us
that
we
weren't,
aware
of
so,
we
did
as
soon
as
we
found
that
out.
We
we
sent
our
employee
out
that
afternoon
and
he
spent
several
hours
with
at
least
two
of
the
three
people
that
have
spoken
already
tonight,
actually
in
their
kitchens
and
in
their
living
rooms
and
in
their
yards.
U
Talking
about
this
project
and
answering
questions,
and
I
know
he
did
communicate
via
email
with
the
first
neighborhood
neighbor
about
her
concerns
and
tried
to
reassure
her
that
we
will
look
into
the
plans
and
adjust
any
landscaping
or
air
conditioning
units
as
needed.
E
P
A
Z
Z
We've
lived
in
our
our
our
home
for
about
14
years
and
over
the
years
we've
you
know
done
gradual
improvements
over
to
the
house,
and
you
know
we're
about
to
add
a
third
bedroom
to
our
single
family.
Home
we've
always
followed
the
rules,
and
I
know
the
rules
have
changed.
You
know
this
2040
plan
has
kind
of
changed.
The
whole
thing.
N
Z
We've
always
followed
the
rules,
we,
you
know
respected
the
you
know
the
setbacks.
We've
respected
the
ratio
of
open
space
to
impervious
surface
we've
not
asked
for
variances.
You
know,
we've,
you
know
worked
with
the
land
we
have
as
it
is.
We
expect
this
developer
to
do
the
same.
Z
C
Z
Just
as
we
were
walking
into
this
building,
another
phone
call
wanting
to
sell
us
to
sell
our
home
to
them
from
a
to
a
developer.
So
I
understand
that
things
change
and
are
changing
further
fairly
rapidly,
but
we
really
respect
you
know.
We
moved
to
linden
hills
from
golden
valley
because
of
the
neighborhood
experience.
Z
You
know
the
sidewalks,
the
walkability
to
everything
we
need.
You
know
we
continue
to
work
with
our
neighbors
whenever
we
do
a
an
addition,
or
something
like
that
that
we're
trying
to
do
so.
Z
Z
As
a
minimum
delay
this
project,
so
we
as
homeowners
in
the
neighborhood
can
work
with
the
developer
to
kind
of
come
up
with
an
agreement
that
we
could
all
live
with.
We
don't
feel
like
we've
we've
had
that
we've
only
you
know.
It's
been
a
week
that
we
got
notified
that
this
was
even
happening
and
we've
been
misled
by
the
developer.
C
Z
A
AA
And
then
also
is
there,
you
have
access
to
the
original
ariel
of
the
encroaching
on
the
south
side
that
we
saw
earlier,
and
we
see
that
so
I
can
have
them
both
access
to
both.
C
AA
Z
AA
AA
So
my
name
is
walter
pitt
and
I
live
at
3804,
upton
avenue
south
and
I'm
here
today,
just
to
talk
specifically
about
the
south
setback,
encroachment
that
the
very
variance
is
being
called
for
in
regards
to
the
decks
and
how
they
encroach
into
the
seven
foot
step
back
on
sign
you're
asking
for
in
that
variance,
you're
asking
for
to
the
reduction
of
the
required
south
interior
site,
set
back
from
seven
feet
to
three
feet
in
the
south:
the
site
plan.
AA
It
says
in
the
the
city's
plan
it
says:
no
practical
difficulties
exist,
the
circumstances
of
encroachment
to
the
side
yard
controls
were
created
by
the
applicant,
but
actually
it
was
because
they
did
the
decks
and
they
also
have
made
this
building
massively
designed
and
so
they're
controlling
the
design.
AA
Most
lots
in
minute
hills
go
from
50
and
100
50
feet
wide
in
the
front
to
100
feet
in
the
back,
and
this
one
is
69
feet
wide
in
the
front
and
nine
over
90
feet
in
the
back,
so
they're
expanding
to
fit
the
space.
The
site
plan
does
not
give
them
a
practical
difficulty.
Then.
The
second
thing
they're
asking
for
is
the
use
that
is
saying
that
the
use
is
keeping
with
the
spirit
and
intent
of
the
ordinance
and
the
comprehensive
plan,
and
let
me
just
read
the
audience
real
quick.
AA
It's
the
article
three
on
yard,
controls,
yard
controls
the
purpose
of
the
arc
controls,
the
yard
controls
are
established
to
provide
the
orderly
development
and
use
of
land
and
to
minimize
conflicts
upon
land
uses
by
regulating
the
dimension
and
the
use
of
yards
in
order
to
provide
adequate
light,
air
open
space
and
separation
of
uses.
So
that's
clearly
not
happening
here.
AA
The
the
one
thing
about
the
lay
of
the
land
in
this
property.
They
were
saying
that
a
commercial
building
is
on
the
south
side,
but
that's
not
correct
the
they
have
this
former
minneapolis-st
paul,
suburban
railroad.
Sign
here
is
everybody,
seeing
this
is
this
up?
Can
we
put
this
in
no
okay
to
the
corner
of
here
is
where
it
encroaches
into
the
seven
feet
on
over.
AA
You
can
see
it
in
the
bottom
corner
on
the
right
of
the
property,
that's
where
it
encroaches,
and
this
is
actually
now
a
piece
of
property
that
and
goes
can
we
go
back
to
this
one
now
you'll
see
it's
the
lyndon
hills
trolley
park
and
it
goes
from
one
side
of
the
neighborhood
to
the
other,
and
it's
part
of
the
the
southwest
master
plan
of
parks
that
the
minneapolis
park
and
recreation
board
put
together
and
it
was
a
long
process
of
community
engagement,
and
so
that's
there.
AA
So
what
they're
encroaching
upon
when
they
go
approach
upon
their
setback
is
they're,
reducing
the
space
to
that
rob
the
property
there,
which
is
owned
by
the
city
to
three
feet.
So
that
is
something
that
could
go
across
all
along
the
trolley
path.
If
this
variance
is
not
denied,
it
can
go
across
every
property
along
and
the
property
that
goes
of
the
trolley
path
park
and
it
could
impact
the
development
of
the
park.
All
right.
A
AA
I
just
like
to
read
one
last
thing:
I
will
it
will
take
10
seconds
I
I
spoke
to.
I
got
an
email
from
adam
who's.
The
let
me
see
what
you
just
pull
us
again
from
adam
arvinds,
the
director
of
the
street.
You
gave
planning
of
minneapolis
park
and
retreat
aboard
today
I
had
sent
him
an
email.
This
is
a
rush,
so
he
said
walt
thanks
for
bringing
this
to
our
attention
I
did
read.
AA
AA
T
T
First,
I
just
want
to
point
out
that
I
feel
very
left
out
in
the
staff.
Well
I'll
speak
for
the
west
property
owners
that
in
the
staff
report,
there
are
no
photographs
of
the
west
neighbors
you'll.
Look
it's
the
south
neighbor
the
street.
There's
there's
no
pictures
of
our
homes.
We're
completely
left
out,
and
I
guess
it
goes
with
kind
of
what's
been
happening
as
to
not
being
aware
what's
going
on,
and
there
was
also
no
rendering
in
the
staff
report
of
the
back
side.
T
I
also
just
want
to
point
out
about
the
2040
plan
policy:
five
that
regulate
setbacks,
orientation,
pattern,
material,
height
and
scale
the
small
scale
residential
buildings
to
ensure
consistency
with
built
form
guidance
in
existing
context.
The
prevalent
neighborhood
context
has
backyards
and
buffering
spaces
and
having
the
building's
maximum
height
next
to
the
adjacent.
D
A
A
All
right,
thank
you,
commissioner
ford.
Is
there
anyone
else
who
would
like
to
speak
on
this
item?
Please
come
forward
state
your
name
and
address
for
the
record.
AB
AB
How
did
this
fall
together?
This
is
the
information
that
I
have
garnered.
I
want
you
to
know.
This
is
my
experience
and
how
it
looks
to
me
number
one.
The
hansens
approached
the
broaders
about
the
purchase
of
them
home
number.
Two,
the
broaders
thought
that
this
nice
couple
was
perching.
It
purchasing
it
for
themselves,
not
a
developer
number.
Three:
the
hansons
sell
their
home
to
their
sons
who
are
developers
for
twice
the
price.
AB
Then
the
sons
moved
them
to
their
property
across
from
linden
hills
park
number
four:
the
suns
run
sustainable
nine,
but
their
mother's
name
is
on
the
ownership
of
the
company.
Is
this
for
government
benefits
that
it
is
female
owned?
I
don't
get
this
sustainable
nine.
The
new
owners
of
4352
zenith
draw
plans
for
a
luxury
quadruplex
for
the
property.
That's
curious.
AB
The
group
is
asking
for
a
truckload
of
variances
setbacks,
height
altering
the
land,
funny
that
developers
not
aware
of
feng
shui
and
how
building
such
a
modern
structure
in
a
turn-of-the-century
neighborhood
ruins
the
energy
of
the
community
as
developers
they
should
know
their
feng
shui,
the
sustainable
nine
have
the
condos
for
sale.
Already
it's
not
been
approved.
AB
AB
A
AB
The
sum
of
this
behavior
is
collusion
between
sustainable
nine
and
the
city
council
or
city
planners,
because
this
is
the
image
that
I'm
getting
are
all
developers
rubber
stamped.
The
idea
of
the
20
40
plan
was
to
reduce
the
number
of
variances,
for
whom
is
this
bringing
affordable
housing
in
no?
What
is
the
benefit
to
the
community
to
the
neighbors?
I
only
see
imposition
to
my
lovely
neighbors.
This
appears
to
be
very
deceptive
and
manipulative.
N
Good
afternoon
my
name
is
juan
carlos
ordonez,
and
I
apologize
for
my
fake
accent.
I
just
had
a
concussion
coming
up
here,
thinking
about
the
project,
so
I'm
just
pulling
your
leg
the
biggest
thing.
The
biggest
concern
I
have
with
this
project
are
all
the
variances,
because
my
wife
and
I
just
bought
the
we
leave
three
homes
north
of
the
project
and
the
biggest
concern,
like
I
said,
is
just
the
variances
that
are
being
asked
to
get,
because
all
the
precedent
that
it
will
be
set
be
set
in
or.
N
We
moved
into
this
property
just
because
we
wanted
to
leave
our
last
years
in
there
and
we
can
only.
I
can
just
only
think
about
what
will
happen
if
this
project
happens.
I
am
all
for
progress.
I
think
I
understand
I
am
with
your
company.
N
I
am,
is
cool
what
they
are
trying
to
do
environmentally
wise,
but
this
project
the
way
they
are
trying
to
do.
It
is
questionable
according
to
me,
so
my
viewpoint,
thank
you
very
much.
W
Good
evening,
president
olson
and
fellow
commissioners,
so
my
name
is
daniel
antieta,
I
am
the
son
of
stephanie
auntie.
We
both
live
at
4343,
abbott
avenue
south,
so
first
off
I'd
like
to
say
that
this
project
would
be
absolutely
devastating.
W
For
me
from
a
perspective
of
me,
because
I
want
you
all
to
have
a
perspective
of
maybe
a
younger
person,
I
play
basketball
in
here
all
the
time,
so
here's
a
smaller
image
of
it
and,
as
you
can
see
it's
like
the
morning
time,
so
the
natural
light
is
coming
from
there.
But
it
also
comes
from
this
area
too,
and
if
that
were
to,
if
this
development
were
to
be
so
that
would
literally
block
it.
W
It
would
literally
create
one
giant
shadow
and
I
would
not
want
to
like
play
in
the
shadow.
Obviously
it
would
make
even
just
hanging
out
with
friends
a
lot
harder,
even
if
that's
more
of
a
selfish
kind
of
thing,
but
more
generalized
yeah.
This,
as
mr
hansen
said,
this
project
would
be
super
disruptive.
W
I
believe
that
it's
like
a
human
right
to
talk
to
people
before
you
do
something
like
this
and
as
far
as
I
know,
they
did
directly
lie
to
us
by
saying
the
meeting
was
october
20th,
when
in
fact
that
was
when
your
decision
would
be
finalized,
here's
another
aerial
image
that
you
may
have
not
seen
so
like
I'm
at.
I
took
this
image.
It's
I'm
at
the
top
of
the
staircase
here
and
you
it
would
literally
we
measured
it
out.
W
It
would
literally
go
beyond
this,
so
it'd
be
all
one
giant
wall
and
obviously
would
destroy
all
of
our
natural
ecosystems
in
our
backyard,
and
it
would
like
it.
It
would
really
would
be
devastating
and
obviously
property
or
property
tax
would
go
up
and
our
the
value
of
our
home
would
go
down
so
it'd
be
put
put
us
in
a
financial
crisis,
and
it
would
just
be
unsuitable
for,
from
my
perspective,
as
a
teen
growing
up
to
adult,
as
well
as
from
you
know,
everybody
else's
perspective.
Thank
you.
A
A
Oh
sorry,
let's
go
with
commissioner
elper.
First,
okay
thanks.
F
I
have
a
question.
I
I'm
happy
to
make
a
motion
to
then
open
it
up
for
discussion.
What
do
you
prefer.
F
So
my
question
is
regarding,
as
the
park
board
representative
to
the
planning
commission,
I
guess
I
would
like
to
hear
from
staff
about.
F
The
the
abutment
between
the
the
property
and
the
lyndon
hills,
trolley
path,
and
I
guess
I'd
just
like
some
clarification
there.
If
you
have
any.
P
So
if
you'll
note
on
the
site
plan,
the
building
itself
is
meeting
the
required
interior
side
yard
setback.
The
requirement
is
seven
feet.
The
building
is
at
seven
feet
the
majority.
Well,
a
portion
of
the
deck
is
also
seven
feet
off.
It's
the
front
portion
of
the
deck,
that's
within
the
required
interior
side
yard
setback.
That
portion
of
the
deck
is
three
feet
away
from
the
south
interior
side
yard.
P
Steph
is
recommending
approval
of
this
variant,
but
there's
some
nuance
to
that,
because
we're
recommending
denial
of
the
size
of
the
patios,
these
patios
need
to
be
reduced
to
50
square
feet
and
they
can't
exceed
a
five
foot
encroachment
into
the
front
yard.
With
the
motion
that
staff
has
recommended,
that
means
those
patios
would
project
five
feet
out
from
the
building
and
based
on
that,
I
can't
tell
you
exactly
what
the
south
interior
side
yard
setback
of
that
five
foot
portion
of
the
deck
would
be,
but
it
would
be
approximately
six
feet
with
that.
P
Staff
did
not
feel
like.
There
was
a
detrimental
impact
on
the
trolley
path,
given
that
this
is
a
deck
or
patio.
It's
something
that's
you
know.
Just
a
little
bit
elevated,
it's
not
going
to
have
any
shadowing
impacts,
there's
adequate
separation
between
uses,
and
we
found
it
to
be
a
reasonable
use
of
the
property
if
it
meets
the
encroachment
requirement.
D
You
I
understand
that
from
the
earlier
comment
that
the
city
council,
member
from
the
area
wants
to
have
this
laid
over
for
further
discussion,
and
quite
apart
from
that
from
hearing
all
of
the
questions
that
have
been
raised
today
and
the
fact
that
there
was
one
week's
notice
to
to
to
talk
with
the
local
neighbor,
they
the
budding
neighbors.
D
That
strikes
me
as
not
adequate
noise.
I
don't
you
know,
regardless
of
who
is
at
fault
with
that
notice.
It's
not
adequate
and
there
have
been
questions
raised
about
the
the
right
of
way
there
for
the
park
board.
The
questions
about
the
water
runoff,
there's
the
the
the
the
issue
of
is
it
injurious
to
the
to
the
adjacent
neighbors.
D
I
think
there
are
enough
questions
that
have
been
raised
and
I
think
that
having
the
developers
say
well,
we'll
try
to
reassure
our
neighbors
in
the
future
is
not
an
adequate
response.
I
know
that
again
without
attributing
any
particular
malfeasance
that
this
this
needs
to
be
discussed
more
with
the
neighbors.
I
think
before
it
goes
forward,
so
I
would
support
well.
I
would
make
a
motion
to
continue
this
to
the
next
meeting.
I.
M
A
All
right,
we
have
a
motion
and
a
second
commissioner
rainville
did
you
want
to
comment
on
this?
Yes,.
M
I
did
so.
I
agree
with
commissioner
ford
to
delay
this
and
and
clearly
listening
to
the
residents
tonight.
There's
there
is
a
lot
of
issues
that
have
to
be
resolved
as
well
as
as
the
park
board.
The
park
board
is
a
very,
very
important
part
of
our
city
government.
They
need
a
chance
to
have
their
staff
weigh
in
on
this
and
then
my
last
remark
is
similar
to
the
other
developer
that
was
here
before
us.
You
know
these.
Are
your
neighbors
look
around
this
room.
These
are
the
people.
M
M
P
Chair
olson,
if
I
may
comment
on
the
notice
requirements,
a
lot
of
what
we're
hearing
tonight
is
about
the
requirements
that
the
lyndon
hills,
neighborhood
association,
put
into
place
for
notification
to
adjacent
properties.
I
just
want
to
note
for
the
record
that
we
do
have
copies
of
the
public
hearing,
notices
that
were
sent
to
property
owners
within
350
feet.
The
public
hearing
was
noticed
in
finance
and
commerce.
A
notice
was
sent
to
the
lyndon
hills.
A
Thank
you
for
that
kimberly,
commissioner
marwa.
I.
E
P
That's
correct:
this
is
within
the
height
requirements
allowed
in
the
corridor.
Three
built
form
overlay.
E
District
and
that
the
density
is
what
I'm
hearing
a
lot
of
the
feedback
on.
I
think
this
is
what
we
want
to
see.
This
is
what
2040
intended.
I
think
pushing
this
back.
One
cycle
will
not
do
that.
I
do
think
the
developer
and
the
applicant
team
should
definitely
reach
out
to
the
community
and
talk
about
some
of
these
issues,
whether
it's
landscaping
on
the
back
side
of
the
property
or
if
it
is
around
the
hvac
system
and
where
it
can
go.
E
F
Helper,
sorry,
thank
you.
This
is.
This
is
a
tough
one.
For
me,
I
support
this
type
of
infill
housing,
certainly
a
quad.
These
are
things
that
are
common
across
our
city
and
seeing
it
thinking
about
my
aging
parents
and
having
an
accessible
home
that,
where
they
could,
you
know,
remain
in
an
urban
neighborhood.
I
think
I
think
that's
important.
We
don't
have
a
lot
of
housing
that
fits
that
description.
F
That
said,
I
also
agree
with
commissioner
marwa
that
I
would
hope
that
the
developer
would
work
on
some
of
these
landscaping
issues
the
wall
in
the
back.
You
know
thinking
about
placement
of
the
hvac
units.
We
know
that
that
noise
can
make
a
big
difference
on
people's
quality
of
of
life.
Just
look
at
the
people
who
live
next
to
I-94
35w,
those
sort
of
things.
F
I
feel
that
staff
has
addressed
my
concerns
coming
from
the
park
board
perspective
on
that.
I
also
saw
some
a
piece
in
here
about
trees
and
plantings,
and
you
know
we
have
a
changing
climate
and
I
I
saw
a
note
from
constance
pepin
about
non-native
species,
and
you
know
what
is
native.
I
think
I
think
that's
hard
to
define
anymore,
so
you
know,
I
think
we
have
to
think
about
what
works
best
in
our
our
changing
climate,
so
I
am
going
to
vote,
be
voting
no
on
this
continuance.
AC
I
think
what
I'm
hearing
tonight
you
know
it's
within
our
purview
to
encourage,
through
this
shoulder
time,
the
most
amount
of
dialogue
that
we
can
possibly
have,
and
I
know
there's
been
announcements.
I
think
the
staff
has
outlined
the
requirements
that
the
city
has
put
forward
very
well.
But
having
been
on
the
developer
side
of
this,
I
think
that
and
his
he's
part
of
the
neighborhood
there.
This
is
their
home
as
well
that
we,
I
would
encourage
some
better
dialogue
when
this
is
clearly
going
to
be
a
big
change
to
the
neighborhood.
A
Thank
you,
commissioner.
Baxley
I'm
going
to
be
voting
not
to
continue
this.
I
think
that
the
developers
have
met
every
requirement
that
has
been
asked
of
them
as
far
as
public
notice.
A
I
also
think
that
this
is
a
great
project.
Like
some
other
commissioners
said,
you
know,
this
is
to
have
eight
parking
stalls
and
four
units
is
probably
the
best
possible
situation
you
could
you
could
get
so
I
I
will
be
not
voting
to
continue
this.
Is
there
any
other
discussion
before
we
vote
all
right?
I'm
seeing
none
I'll
ask
the
clerk
to
please
call
the
roll.
AC
P
D
A
E
I
would
just
have
the
development
team
or
applicant
team,
I
hope
in
the
next
three
two
weeks
you
all
reach
out
to
the
neighborhood,
because
we
don't
want
to
be
in
this
exact
same
discussion
again
in
two
weeks.
This
is
three
hours
we're
not
gonna
have
again.
So
I
would
like
this
to
be
new
comments.
New
resolve,
none
of
the
same
comments
coming
back,
let's
move
forward.
P
A
Perfect,
thank
you
anything
else
before
we
adjourn
all
right,
if
not
and
without
objection,
I'll
declare.
This
meeting
adjourn.
Our
next
planning
commission
meeting
will
be
october
3rd,
and
the
next
committee
of
the
whole
meeting
will
be
oh,
is
cancelled.
Next
week
it
will
be
thursday
october
6th.
Thank
you.