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B
Good
afternoon
welcome
to
this
virtual
meeting
of
the
charter
commission's
even
year
elections
work
group.
This
meeting
includes
the
remote
participation
of
members
as
authorized
under
minnesota
statutes,
section
13
d
.021
due
to
the
declared
local
health
pandemic.
The
city
will
be
recording
and
posting
this
meeting
to
the
city's
website
and
youtube
channel
as
a
means
of
increasing
public
awareness
and
transparency.
B
The
meeting
is
public
and
subject
to
the
open
meeting
law.
For
the
record,
my
name
is
jan
sandberg,
I'm
one
of
the
co-chairs
of
the
charter
commission's
even
year
elections,
work
group
and
I
will
now
call
this
meeting
in
order
to
order
and
ask
the
clerk
to
please
call
the
role
so
that
we
may
verify
the
presence
of
a
quorum.
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B
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Okay
item.
Five
on
the
agenda
is
considering
the
policy
implications
of
holding
municipal
elections
during
even-numbered
years.
We
know
there
are
also
some
technical
and
legal
issues,
but
for
today's
meeting
we
thought
we
would
focus
on
whether,
in
fact
this
is
good
policy
and
we
should
consider
moving
forward.
There
were
a
few
items
that
were
sent
to
you
and
there
are
in
the
agenda
packet
available
to
the
public
that
you
should
all
have
in
front
of
you
and,
of
course,
you
may
have
other
ideas
to
add
to
this
list.
B
Having
said
that,
on
this
item,
we
broke
it
into
three
sections
implications
for
voters,
implications
for
candidates
and
then
other
issues
that
is
kind
of
at
the
end
of
discussion.
Oh,
thank
you
very
much
there
and
there's
the
list
on
the
screen.
B
So
I
guess
the
best
way
to
proceed
is
maybe
to
go
through
them
item
by
item.
Some
may
not
require
much
discussion
if
others
have
a
different
way
to
proceed.
That
would
be
fine
with
me,
but
the
first
item
would
be
whether
in
fact,
this
would
increase
turnout
for
local
elections
and
if
that
is
a
good
idea-
and
I
suspect
we
all
agree
that
it
is
a
good
idea
to
have
more
people
voting
in
general.
B
B
Who
is
that,
commissioner
kozak,
you
know
you're
not
you're,
not
showing?
Oh
wait:
okay,
yeah!
Commissioner
kozak,
I
see
you're,
you
are
there.
You
are.
F
F
Probably
there
was
going
to
be
a
drop
off
from
the
from
the
higher
from
the
offices
like
governor
senator
congress
for
congress
as
we
get
down
the
ballot,
the
votes
tend
to
drop
off
and
there,
and
I
think
we
have
to
factor
that
in
our
in
our
thinking,
because
it
could
be
significant,
and
I
think
there
have
been
studies
done
in
in
other
jurisdictions
which
have
a
a
really
long
ballot
like
this.
B
F
B
Okay,
commissioner,.
F
E
Thank
you.
Mine
also
relates
to
this
same
issue,
so
I'll
I'll
wait
until
we
get
to
either
whether
it's
called
roll
off
drop
off.
I've
always
called
it
ballot
fatigue.
B
But
I
think
we
could
use
all
three
terms
if
we
wanted
to,
and
that
would
be
fine,
okay,
but
just
I
think,
there's
just
general
understanding
and
agreement
that
if
we
switch
to
an
even
year
election
we'd
probably
have
more
people
voting
and
in
general,
that's
most
people
would
view
that
as
a
good
thing.
So
I'm
just
going
to
go
on
to
the,
and
you
know
we
can
just
open
this
up
for
general
discussion
to
see
how
people
feel,
because
I
think
it's
kind
of
artificial
to
go.
Do
it
item
by
item?
B
So
if
you
would
like
to
have
more
discussion
about
the
I
think
we
had
one
item
here
is:
would
we
have
different
composition
of
people
who
are
voting
and
my
only
thought
on
that
one
was
we
talked
about
and
I
believe
clerk
carl
one
time
gave
us
a
presentation
on
the
downside
of
having
open
seat
having
city-wide
seats
that
you
do
get
different
people
voting
city-wide
than
you
might
get
in
a
specific
ward.
Is
there
an
issue
with
that
for
larger
elections?
B
And
I'm
not
sure
I'm
getting
a
message
on
my
thing
about
bad
network
quality
and
are
you
hearing
me
I
can.
D
B
Okay,
I
have
no
idea
what's
going
on
with
my
computer-
okay
I'll
just
ignore
it
now
anyway,
so,
let's
just
open
it
up
for
general
vote.
Discussion
about
voters
and
chair
clegg's
hand
is
still
up,
but
I
think
this
is
the
roll-off
drop-off
blah
blah
issue.
Do
you
have
any
you
want
to
add
things
to
your
click.
E
Yeah
first,
I
would
point
us
to
the
study
the
humphrey
institute
paper
that
we
all
looked
at
a
few
years
ago.
That
was
saved
in
limbs
that
I
asked
everybody
to
take
a
look
at
if
they
could,
and
that
shows
that
there
is
at
least
in
minneapolis
there.
There
is
an
increased
bipac
voter
turnout
in
even
your
elections,
okay
or
at
least
in
the
last
few
even-year
elections.
B
Okay,
any
other
discussion
about
the
issue,
and
I
would
assume
that
many
of
us
believe
at
least
I
personally
do
that.
That
would
be
a
good
thing,
but
others
may
disagree
any.
I
don't
miss
commissioner
ginder.
I
think
I
see
your
hand.
G
Up,
thank
you
chair.
One
comment
on
the
increased
turnout,
which
I
agree,
I
think
is
likely
to
happen.
I
think
one
thing
that's
a
little
bit
different
about
minneapolis
is
that
our
off-year
election
turnout
is
substantially
higher
than
other
municipalities
that
have
off
year
elections.
So
if
you
look
at
last
year's
election,
which
was
somewhat
unique,
but
you
know
we
had
a
50
plus
turnout
of
eligible
voters
and
that
isn't
that
far
off
is
what
we
get
sometimes
in
governor
races.
So
I
agree
that
there
will
be
an
increased
turnoff.
G
G
I
think
that
there
is-
and
I
agree
with
chair
clegg
on
this-
also-
is
that
there
is
a
likelihood
of
you
know
even
your
election
of
grabbing
more
of
the
bipart
voters
to
come
out
and
vote,
but
then
that
flows
into
the
the
issue
of
either
voter
roll
off
or
ballot
roll
off
as
people
move
down
that
on
the
larger
elections.
G
So
it's
something
that
there's
a
big
balancing
going
on
there,
you
attract
more
people,
but
what
percentage
of
those
people
fall
through
as
the
ballot
gets
longer?
G
So
some
of
those
articles
are
interesting
on
that
it
goes
both
ways
depending
on
who
you
read
on
that,
but
I
guess
my
main
choice
is:
you
will
attract
more
people?
How
many
of
them
and
percentage-wise
will
actually
vote
in
the
municipal
election
is
something
that's
a
little
bit
less
clear.
E
Me
again,
I
wanted
to
point
out
a
couple
of
things.
First
of
all,
with
respect
to
minneapolis
turnout,
you
can
point
to
any
one
of
the
most
recent
few
mayoral
elections
and
explain
why
the
turnout
was
higher
than
it
normally
is.
You
have
to
look
all
the
way
back
to
2009
to
find
a
mayoral
election
that
was
for
the
most
part
uncontested,
and
that
was
a
very,
very
low
turnout.
So,
yes,
we
get
higher
turnout
when
there's
a
contested
mayor,
election
or
contested
ballot
question
election.
E
E
Second,
at
least
I
would
argue
if
you
look
at
the
literature
some
of
which
commissioner
ginder
provided
and
some
of
which
was
already
in
our
stack,
I
think,
there's
a
big
difference
between
you
know
talking
about
voter
fatigue
when
you've
got
at
the
end
of
the
ballot,
a
bunch
of
judges
or
maybe
ballot
questions.
E
D
Yeah
just
to
follow
up
in
what
chair
craig
said.
I
guess
my
key
point.
I
think
anything
that
increases
voter
participation
is
good,
but
in
terms
of
voter
drop
off
I
guess
I
can
only
speak
with
my
unc
unscientific
poll
of
one,
but
I
know,
as
I
go
down
the
ballot,
certainly
for
judges
if
they're
uncontested,
I
typically
don't
vote
on
them.
B
Okay,
thank
you.
Are
there
any
other
comments
or
questions
from
members
of?
Oh
commissioner,
perry,
I
see
your
hand
up.
C
Yes,
thank
you,
chair
sanders.
What
I
sandberg.
What
I
would
say
is
that
the
same
thing
that
my
previous
colleagues
have
said
is,
I
don't
think
there
would
be
a
signific,
a
significant
drop
off
either
I'd
like
to
see
some
data
about
that
in
other
jurisdictions,
but
I
think
once
you've
made
a
commitment
to
go
into
the
voting
booth
and-
and
there
are
people
running
against
another
candidate
when
we're
talking
about
judges,
they're,
usually
uncontested.
C
But
when
we're
talking
about
races
where
there
are
contested
races
going
on,
I
think
people
will
still
participate.
They've
made
it
that
far
and
I
think
they'll
make
the
commitment
to
vote
on
contested
races
and
I
think
that's
different
than
judges,
which
are
generally
uncontested.
C
B
Thank
you.
It's
a
very
interesting
comment
about
data
from
other
jurisdictions
and
I'm
not
sure
that
we
have
seen
that
I
would
assume
you're
talking
about
going
to
cities
that
currently
have
this
practice
and
trying
to
find
data
from
them.
I'm
not
sure
exactly
how
we
would
do
that,
but
it
that
would
be
really
interesting.
I
would
think-
and
maybe
that's
a
to
do
item
if
we
decide
to
proceed.
Commissioner
clegg,
of
course,
has
a
thought
on
this.
E
Of
course,
I
was
just
going
to
point
out
that
the
2018
paper
that
we
looked
at
noted
that
oakland
california
also
uses
rank
choice,
voting
for
its
municipal
elections
and
its
municipal
elections
are
in
even
years,
and
they
have
a
different
statutory
scheme,
obviously
which
allows
this,
but
the
the
drop-off
in
turnout
or
in
in
voter
drop-off,
was
minimal,
that
their
characteristics
are
similar
to
minneapolis
same
same
approximate
population
and
same
approximate
percentage
of
population
that
I
identifies
as
bipac.
So,
okay.
B
Thank
you,
commissioner
perry.
You
found
another
comment.
C
Yeah
I
just
wanted
to
follow
up
on
a
somewhat
different
same
topic,
but
somewhat
from
a
different
angle
is
that
I
think
when
we
look
at
the
turnout
in
presidential
years-
and
this
is
based
on
my
assumption-
that
there
won't
be
significant
drop
off
even
if
there
was
significant
drop
off.
I
think
there's
still.
C
The
turnout
in
a
presidential
year
would
be
so
significant
that
it
would
best
our
average
over
the
long
haul
for
our
municipal
elections,
and
I
agree
with
chair
clegg
that
if
you
look
at
more
recent
races
and
municipal
races
or
more
more
recent
municipal
elections,
that
there
will
be
there
is
a
higher
turnout.
But
I
think
those
are
the
exception,
not
the
rule.
So
I'm
just
thinking
if,
if,
if
we
went
forward
with
this,
my
recommendation
would
be
to
put
it
in
a
presidential
year
to
maximize
the
turnout.
B
H
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
I
I
was
just
thinking
about
this
notion
of
voter
fatigue
and
and
not
so
much
on
the
drop-off
in
the
ballot
itself,
but
what
happens
in
an
even
year
election
if
all
races
are
even
year?
Local
and
state
and
federal
people
get
fatigued
from
all
the
electioneering
and,
of
course,
that
can
that
can
work
both
ways
you
get
really
tired
of
all
the
emails
and
the
politicking
in
the
presidential
race
and
in
the
federal
other
federal
races
and
then
on
top
of
it.
H
B
It
reminds
me
of
something
that
I
think
that
commissioner
ginder
one
of
his
articles
might
have
mentioned,
which
was
choice,
fatigue
and
it,
but
and
not
sure
how
appropriate
is
in
minneapolis,
where
people
would
just
tend
to
okay,
it's
down
in
the
thing,
we'll
just
choose
the
party
that
we
align
with,
but
for
city
elections
for
municipal
elections.
B
Well,
I
guess
they
do
have
they
can
put
something
in
as
to
their
party,
can't
they
somebody.
I
don't
know.
If
there's
somebody
here
from
the
clerk's
office
or
elections
that
remembers
that
detail,
I
should
know
I'm
an
election
judge.
I
just
don't
remember
they
can.
B
The
item
nobody's
brought
up,
but
thanks
to
commissioner
smith,
we
have
some
knowledge
about.
Is
the
model
charter
and
the
model
charter
apparently
mentioned
that
they
were
recommending
not
going
to
even
years
and
because
of
it
looks
like
undue
influence
of
partisanship,
and
perhaps
commissioner
smith
has
more
information
on
it
or
commissioner
clegg,
who
has
his
hand
up,
perhaps
has
more
information.
D
I
don't
think
I
have
anything
else
to
add.
I
did
look
at
that
charter
provision
after
commissioner
ginder
brought
it
up
the
last
time
that
we
met,
but
I
haven't
looked
at
it
since,
and
I
guess
I
don't
really
remember
the
the
specific
reasoning
other
than
what
chairs
hamburgers
already
talked
about
for
the
reasons
for
the
preference
for
an
odd
year.
Election.
E
Oh
sure,
clay,
I
wonder
if
this
one
needs
to
be
split
into
two,
because
there
was
undue
partisanship
was,
was
an
item
but
also
undue
influence
of
special
interests,
which
many
of
the
authors
have
have
speculated
would
occur
if
which
does
occur
in
odd
year
elections
because
of
voter
turnout.
So
a
special
interest
can
have
undue
influence
by
money
and
soliciting
support,
but
just
a
minute
to
talk
about
partisanship.
E
I
think
this
would.
This
would
be
a
risk
if,
if
minneapolis
were
the
same
profile
as
a
national
voter,
ranging
from
right-wing
trump
voters
to
left-wing
bernie
voters,
but
in
minneapolis
we're
more
a
little
to
the
right
of
bernie
to
a
little
to
the
left
of
bernie.
So
I
think
we're
just
a
different
animal.
So
I
don't
think
national
partisanship
would
affect
how
minneapolis
perceived
the
election
when
you're,
comparing
us
to
either
national
or
statewide.
B
For
that
very
reason,
because
of
the
influence
of
certain
groups,
did
it
help
yeah?
Maybe
maybe
not?
Commissioner
ginder
has
his
hand
up.
G
Thank
you,
sir.
The
this
special
influence,
kind
of
cuts,
several
ways,
and
it's
a
really
interesting
question
I
mean
all
we
have
to
do-
is
look
back
at
our
last
election
in
the
amount
of
money
that
came
in
on
both
sides
of,
for
example,
the
shorthand
is
defund
the
police
question
or
change
the
police.
The
charge
regarding
police.
A
lot
of
money
came
in
from
both
sides
from
out
of
out
of
the
city,
so
there's
special
interest
at
play.
G
G
The
profile
of
the
issue
for
those
people
that
showed
up
to
vote
and,
as
you
go
into
some
of
the
later
discussions
here,
and
it
said
whether
that's
good
or
bad
is
a
different
question,
but
that
will
be
lost
in
a
presidential
or
even
a
gubernatorial
election,
because
the
larger
issues,
I
think,
will
overwhelm
that
special
interest
for
municipal
elections
as
well,
as
you
know,
act
as
the
black
hole
for
all
the
money
and
the
campaign
workers
and
everything
else.
G
So
there,
like,
I
said
there,
it
can
go
both
ways
on
the
special
interest,
good
or
bad,
but
it
certainly
does
raise
interest
in
a
in
a
local
election
on
issues
that
affect
the
general
population.
B
And-
and
I
agree
that's
true
as
long
as
the
issue
has
two
sides
in
the
case
of
the
school
board
elections
in
bloomington-
I
think
the
concern
was
that
the
teachers
union
was
on
one
side
and,
and
there
really
wasn't
another
side.
So
that's
why
the
thought
was
just
to
shift
it.
So
there
would
be
more
voters,
and-
but
I
agree
with
you-
I
think,
having
information
for
voters
is
a
great
idea.
We
should
do
it
more
often,
commissioner
perry
once.
C
Again,
yeah,
I
I
I
agree
mostly
with
commissioner
ginder,
but
I
would
say
that
to
look
at
last
year,
particularly,
I
think,
even
if
that
was
held.
If
the
question
two
was
in
a
presidential
year,
it
still
would
have
gotten
a
lot
of
money
and
a
lot
of
voter
attention.
E
Up,
I
I
don't
think
question
two
is
a
good
example
of
you
know
outsized
undue
influence
of
of
special
interests,
because
there
were
so
many
people
that
voted
on
it,
probably
as
many
people
as
would
have
voted
on
it
even
during
an
even
year.
What
I
would
be
more
concerned
about
is
in
a
low
turnout
council
election,
for
example.
E
B
Right
and
last
year,
I
think
it
could
be
argued
that
there
was
a
confounding
effect
between
the
city,
council,
races
and
some
of
the
ballot
questions
so
which
made
it
even
more
interesting.
I
suppose
all
right,
so
are
there
any
other
issues
under
voters
that
we
want
to
discuss
right
now
before
we
move
on
to
the
candidate
issues.
B
And
see
no
hands
the
next
section
deals
with,
and
this
was
brought
up
last
time.
I
think
by
some
of
the
people
who
are
here
today
what
impact
would
switching
have
on
the
candidates
and
their
campaigns
and
so
forth,
and
I
can't
remember
who
brought
it
up.
It
was
probably
commissioner
kozak
not
sure,
but
this
is
the
whole
idea
of
how
much
more
difficult
would
it
be
to
run
a
local
city
council
mayoral
campaign.
Would
it
be
more
expensive?
Would
they
have
problems,
getting
people
to
work,
the
campaigns
and
what
else?
E
B
C
Yes,
I
I
was
just
going
to
say
the
same
thing
that
just
like
the
on
the
voters.
I
think
if
we
could
put
an
action
item
for
for
us
to
look
at
other
jurisdictions
and
what
they,
what
is
the
effect
of
having
elections
and
even
years
and
how
they
deal
with
the
campaign,
workers
and
money.
C
I
don't
know
if
again,
I
don't
know
if
that
would
lead
to
a
more
expensive
race,
but
I
would
be
curious.
I
I
think
we
need
data
here.
B
F
I
I
don't
remember
whether
it
was
me
that
brought
this
up
last
time,
but
just
coincidentally,
I
had
a
conversation
today
with
a
somebody
who's
running
one
of
the
caucus
efforts
at
the
legislature
this
year
to
get
to
get
the
to
get
the
majority,
and
he
said
the
biggest
problem
they're
having
is
labor
is
getting,
is
hiring
people
field
workers
to
go
out
there
and
do
the
door
knocking,
so
that
has
nothing
to
do
with
an
evil
with
even
year.
It's
just.
F
He
said
given
the
labor
market,
and
I
obviously
that
that
changes
from
time
to
time,
but
he
said
they're
really
having
a
hard
time
recruiting
people
to
to
go
out
and
do
the
do
the
work
and,
of
course,
to
get
them
they're
going
to
have
to
pay
more
money.
So
it
might
be
a
chronic
problem,
no
matter
what
the
circumstances.
B
Okay,
thank
you
any
other
comments
on
the
candidate
issue.
Although
it
sounds
like,
we
really
need
to
do
more
work
to
figure
out
what's
going
on
in
that
area
and
if
not,
we
can
move
to
the
third
section,
which
is
other
we've
already
had
one
comment.
I
think
that
it
should
be
to
a
presidential
year.
Is
there
any
thought
about
if
it
makes
a
difference
presidential
non-presidential
any
concerns
with
that.
B
B
I
think
we
often
think
of
this
as
a
way
of
saving
money
for
the
government,
but
I'm
not
so
sure
that
was
what
we
saw
in
clerk
carl's
presentation
last
time
it
sounded
like
there
might
be
costs
additional
costs
to
the
city
to
run
elections
during
those
years.
C
Yeah,
so
I
I'm
curious
I,
this
did
come
out
of
the
presentation
by
staff,
but
I'm
curious
what
an
election
costs.
What
does
it
cost
to
run
an
election
in
any
particular
year.
B
C
B
H
B
Issue
was
that
the
ballot
processing
for
ranked
choice-
voting,
as
you
know,
is
still
not
as
straightforward
as
we
would
like
it,
because
the
software
isn't
there.
They
use
a
series
of
spreadsheets
and
so
forth,
but
that
takes
time
and
the
more
votes
there
are
in
because
of
how
they
have
to
proof
them,
I
think,
could
be
a
cost,
but
I
would
I
will
let
the
elections.
B
B
Let
me
put
this
in
and
I
know
mr
dean
is
listening
in
here
somewhere.
So
I
guess
I
think
our
next
issue
is.
Are
we
interested
in
moving
forward
with
this
to
now
to
next?
B
I
assume
the
next
meeting,
because
we
didn't
give
them
warning
to
have
a
presentation
ready
that
we
wish
to
pursue
this
issue
and
we
want
a
more
detailed
look
at
one
legal
and
then
too
technical
and
you
we
might
want
to
break
those
down
and
do
the
legal
first
and
then
the
technical,
I'm
not
sure,
but
is
there
a
consensus
that
we
want
to
move
forward?
And
yes,
commissioner
perry,
I
see
you.
B
B
G
I'm
not
opposed
to
moving
this
forward,
but
I
think,
as
we
move
it
forward,
we
should
also
at
the
same
time
we
have
any
presentation
whether
it's
legal
or
some
of
the
technical
from
staff.
We
should
also
get
the
some
information
on
the
topics
that
we
were
just
raised
about.
G
Campaign
impacts,
availability
of
people
to
work
in
campaigns,
as
well
as
the
costs,
and
that
kind
of
thing
to
put
this
all
together.
So
you
can
weigh
the
policy
versus
the
legal
versus
the
technical.
G
B
E
One
of
the
citations
you
gave
was
to
an
article
by
sarah
anzia
of
stanford
university,
and
if
you
go
to
the
link
for
that
page,
you
can
just
get
to
the
first
page
of
the
article
and
then
you
have
to
be
a
member.
It
looks
like
to
access
the
whole
thing,
so
I'm
wondering
if
you
could,
if
you,
if
you
have
access
to
the
whole
thing,
if
you
could
pdf
it
around.
G
I
chair,
I
don't
have
access
to
the
whole
thing
my
recollection
is
that
has
to
be
entered
or
requested
through
a
school
or
a
college,
or
something
like
that,
as
well
as
the
cost.
So
I'll
have
to
look
at
that
further.
But
I
know
the
article
referring
to
you
are
referring
to
to
see
if
we
get
the
full
article
rather
than
just
the
abstract.
E
Great
and
I'm
wondering
also
if
we
can
build
a
resource
page
like
we
have
with
past
work
groups
and
include,
for
example,
all
of
the
references
that
commissioner
ginder
gave
us
in
that
resource
list,
as
well
as
the
items
we
looked
at
in
2017-18,
which
are
already
there.
So
we
have
the
beginnings
of
it.
But
let's
add
commissioner
ginder's
citations.
E
Let's
add
the
bullet
point
powerpoint
presentation.
We
got
from
election
staff
at
our
last
meeting
and
continue
to
build
on
that.
B
And
I
would
assume
that
maddie
the
clerk's
office
would
be
in
charge
of
putting
that
together.
I
believe
you
did
that
the
last
time
when
we
did
the
rent
control
page,
as
I
recall,
and
I
think
maddie
would
have
access
to
all
of
those
references
right
now.
I
don't
know
where
maddie
is.
A
B
Oh,
that's
very
good.
Okay.
I
I
check
click,
I'm
not
sure
how
you
would
pers
like
to
proceed.
I
don't
know
if
we
need
a
motion
to
move
forward
or
just
general
that
we
want
to
move
forward.
B
A
C
B
B
Correct
but
we'll
wait
to
hear
more
because
who
knows
they
might
surprise
us?
Okay,
all
right,
so
we
will
work
together
with
charclegg
to
come
up
with
a
date
for
another
meeting
and
we'll
see
what
it's
like.
B
The
focus
is
on
legal
and
technical,
but
also
circle
back
and
pull
in
some
of
the
questions
that
were
raised
by
work
group
members
a
little
bit
earlier,
and
if
you
have
other
issues
that
you
think
need
to
be
addressed,
would
you
please
send
your
questions
to
chair
clegg
and
myself
and
we'll
put
them
together
in
the
agenda
and
any
articles
that
anyone
finds
that
you
think
are
good,
please
share
with
us
and
with
maddie,
so
we
can
start
putting
together
this
resource
page.