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From YouTube: April 20, 2022 Capital Long-Range Improvement Committee
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B
Good
afternoon
my
name
is
willie
bridges
and
I'm
the
vice
chair
of
the
capital,
long
range
improvement
committee.
Before
we
begin
I'd
like
to
note
that
this
meeting
includes
the
remote
participant
patient
of
members
as
authorized
under
minnesota
statute,
section
13d
point
zero
21
due
to
declare
local
health
pandemic.
C
Thor
adam
present,
zechariah
aiden.
C
Zechariah
aiden
jonathan
ahn.
D
C
James
brown,
luke
cunningham
here
angle,
present
eamon
gallagher
present
william
graves.
A
C
Goodness
stead
reese
houstad.
D
F
C
Zinka
here
richard
laro.
G
G
H
I
C
Eric
juan
president,
that's
22
members
present.
B
We
have
a
quorum.
Thank
you
was
that,
where
we
proceed
to
our
agenda,
a
copy
which
was
posted
for
public
s,
access
to
the
city
legislation,
informational
management
system,
which
is
available
at
lims
period,
minneapolis
minnesota.gov-
I
wouldn't
I
would
entertain
a
motion
to
approve
the
agenda
and.
I
B
A
B
B
C
Hi
jonathan
on.
H
C
Jocelyn
beard
aye
john
bernstein
aye
by
sherwood
bridges.
B
C
James
brown,
luke
cunningham,
I
got
ingle
hi.
K
D
M
C
Who's
out
todd,
shuman,
hi,
chair,
jeff,
strand,
hi
katrina,
stratton.
N
N
C
Eric
juan,
I
that's
24
eyes,.
B
And
so
we
will
proceed
with
the
agenda
pretty
ready
to
start
the
kept
a
budget
request:
the
q,
a
session
number
two:
the
public
works
traffic
they're,
the
first
up.
L
Neil
I'm
just
curious:
if
are
we
going
to
go
and
order
each
number
or
tackle
these
all
at
once?
Joe
lauren
will
be
our
first
first
one
up.
I
think.
C
So
this
is
more
geared
as
like
a
q,
a
session.
So
if
there's,
if
members
have
like
particular
questions
for
any
of
the
traffic
cbrs
like
this,
this
is
like
the
space
for
people
to
answer
those.
So
I
don't
know
if
you
just
want
to
like
briefly
summarize
your
program
and
then
and
then
people
just
ask
some
questions.
L
O
Hi
joe
lauren,
here
also
with
public
works
traffic
streetlight
project
manager.
The
programs
that
I'm
working
on
specifically
are
the
tr8,
which
is
the
parkway
one
tr11,
which
is
streetlight
renovation
and
tr
24,
which
is
the
pedestrian
streetlight
corridor
program.
P
Q
G
Bill
prince
traffic
signal
and
lighting
construction
engineers.
R
Okay,
thank
you
chair.
I
I
just
have
a
sort
of
an
overarching
question
here
in
going
through
your
your
cbrs
I'll
just
pick
one
example,
for
example,
with
the
street
lights.
Your
your
pattern,
your
annual
streetlight
activity,
is
in
the
double
digits.
Yet
your
your
long-term
need
is
600
to
replace
600
such
street
lights.
R
It
I
mean
that
that's
20
years,
so
in
general,
are
you
looking
for
a
huge
infusion
of
funds
at
some
point
to
be
able
to
to
get
to
what
I
consider
to
be
backlogs
and
is
that
infusion
of
funds
going
to
be
coming
in
any
way
from
the
federal,
the
large
sums
of
federal
dollars
coming
in
for
infrastructure,
in
other
words,
an
alternative
funding
source
other
than
the
city
itself?
O
There's
a
couple
different
joe
joe
lauren
here,
a
couple
different
of
streetlight
programs,
so
the
parkway
one
and
the
renovation
one
are
to
repair
and
replace
existing
lighting,
so
the
ones
that
are
in
the
poorest
condition
to
replace
them,
and
then
the
pedestrian
streetlight
corridor
is
to
install
new
city
metal
pole
lights,
where
it's
currently
an
excel
energy
wood
pull
system.
So
that's
building
out
the
pedestrian
streetlight
corridor
network,
so
kind
of
a
few
different
buckets
of
streetlighting
projects.
O
O
I
would
say
to
accelerate
any
of
those
programs.
There
there's
some
flexibility,
so
additional
funding
could
be
used
to
to
speed
up
that
process
to
either
improve
the
overall
average
condition
condition
of
the
existing
assets
or
to
construct
that
the
construct,
the
pedestrian
corridor
network
at
a
faster
rate
to
to
completely
build
it,
which
is
not
currently
completely
built
out.
So
there's
some
flexibility
of
federal
dollars
are
approved
and
appropriate
to
use
towards
those
projects
and
programs.
Does
that
answer
your
question.
R
Yeah
it
does,
I
should
have
been
more
specific
for
what
the
the
30
versus
600
in
your
backlog
is
specifically
for
the
parkway
as
as
an
example
but
yeah.
If,
if
there
are
plans
to
access
the
the
federal
infrastructure
funds,
which
would
mean
that
we
don't
have
to
spend
as
much
of
the
the
city
funds,
that
would
be
good
news.
But
it's
important
for
us
to
know
that
there'll
be
funds
freed
up
to
do
other
capital
investment
projects.
Should
the
federal
infrastructure
dollars
come
through.
J
J
All
of
the
answers
to
the
questions
are
not
there,
at
least
when
I
pull
them
down,
and
I've
tried
a
couple
times
to
see
if
it
was
a
technical
thing
on
my
end,
and
I
don't
think
it
is,
I
don't
know
if
anybody
else
has
experienced
the
same
thing.
I
saw
matt's
head
nodding
and
scots
yeah,
so
I
don't
know
if
that's
traffic
or
just
a
tech
thing
or
what
but
there's
no
we've
got
no
information
other
than
the
funding
funding
request
for
tr
10
and
tr
22,
so
we
need
to
have
that
resolved.
J
J
So
I'm
wondering
if
all
of
that
is
all
that
is,
is
the
money
that
you've
got
for
2022,
that
you
haven't
yet
spent,
and
if
that's
the
case,
that's
another
thing,
we
should
address
finance
staff.
We
don't
need
to
know
if
they
haven't
spent
22
dollars.
Yet
there's
that's
not
a
reasonable
thing
right,
we're
only
in
april,
of
course
they
haven't
spent
those
dollars.
We
want
to
know
if
there's
dollars
they
haven't
spent
that
are
pre-date
the
current
year.
J
C
So
for
the
at
least
for
the
cbrs,
I
can
look
into
and
figure
out
why
those
aren't
pulling
through.
I
think
I
believe
they
were
completed,
so
that
might
just
be
like
a
issue
on
our
end,
so
I
can
check
that
out
and
then
for
the
authorizations
that
I
mean.
That
was
the
question
that
we
had
on
the
cbr,
what
we
sent
in
january
so-
and
maybe
that
needs
to
be
rewarded
for
next
year.
So
we
can
capture
like
the
right,
the
information
that
I
think
we
might
have
been
capturing
before.
L
Yeah
I've
contemplated
I'm
not
sure.
I
fully
grasped
the
question
I
believe
their
current
year
dollars,
but
if
you
want
to
explain
that
one
more
time
to
see
if
it
changes
our
answer
here,.
J
L
I
know
in
the
past,
finance
had
filled
in
some
previous,
like
unspent.
There
is
a
question
about
that
and
we
provided
an
answer.
I
think
on
the
tr
21
program,
specifically
right.
J
That's
what
I'm
looking
for
verification
on
they've
changed
that
answer,
so
it's
a
little
bit
less
clear.
It
used
to
say
unspent
balances.
I
mean,
I
guess
technically
the
20
20
22
dollars
are
unspent
balances.
I
don't
have
too
much
time
on
this
I'll
I'll,
put
this
in
email
form
and
have
somebody
in
finance
forward
it
on
to
you
guys
and
we'll
see
if
we
can
get
it
clarified.
S
So
I
have
three
areas
or
topic
areas
of
questions.
The
first
one
is
for
lighting,
just
noting
that
there's
been
a
number
of
like
polls
going
up
in
neighborhoods
and
I
think
they're
for
internet
or
something
like
that.
Have
we
been
looking
into
the
the
ability
to
leverage
the
new
polls
that
we're
putting
in
for
these
other
service
utility
type
services.
O
Question:
okay,
great
joe
joe
lauren,
here
again
yeah.
If
it's
a
poll
going
in
the
right
way,
it
does
not
have
a
street
light
on
it,
it's
yeah,
most
likely
I'll,
say,
probably
a
communications
poll.
You
know
without
examples
in
front
of
me.
I
can't
say
you
know
for
sure,
but
we
do
offer
and
also
recommend
the
opportunity
to
install
a
new
street
light
and
an
antenna
at
the
same
time
if
that
can
be
coordinated.
O
So
all
the
cell
providers
are
aware
of
this
option,
so
it's
kind
of
a
case-by-case
basis
of
of
looking
at
the
intersection
of
the
location
and
seeing
if
that
pole
can
be
combined
to
reduce
the
number
of
pieces
of
infrastructure
in
the
right-of-way,
and
so
in
some
cases
it
may
replace
an
existing
wood
pole
light
or
something
like
that.
So
it
is
an
option
and
recommended.
O
We
don't
have
the
ability
to
to
firmly
require
that
as
part
of
following
state
statute.
So
at
this
point
it's
a
strong
recommendation.
We
try
to
do
it
to
keep
the
right
away
space
less
cluttered,
but
we
don't
have
full
control
of
that
decision
within
traffic.
S
Okay,
that's
helpful.
Thank
you
on
the
like
tr021
there's,
a
part
in
there
about
video
detection,
and
I
know
if
that's
for
traffic
flow,
just
curious
on
the
authorization
or
like
the
authority
that
we
have
over
that.
It
was
my
understanding
that
there
was
state
law
that
preempted
us
from
using
video
of
any
kind
for
traffic.
Could
anyone
explain
that.
L
E
L
S
Got
it
okay,
thank
you
and
then
the
last
area
is
also
around
traffic
signals,
and
I've
brought
this
up
before,
like
what
I
guess,
piloting
or
testing
does.
Does
our
staff
do
regarding
you
know
safety
and
flow
of
people
that
are
not
in
cars,
so
I'm
thinking
around
you
know
bicycles,
there.
We
now
have
lights
specific
to
bicycles,
but
the
timing
I
know
in
like
washington
has
been
funky
wait.
S
How
are
there
formal
tests
or
pilots
that
the
city
does
and
that
we're
learning
taking
lessons
from
to
make
sure
those
are
optimized
as
well.
Q
Hey
katie
good
afternoon
I'll
jump
in
alan
klugman
here
the
short
answer
is
yes,
820
signals
in
the
city
and
we're
constantly
looking
at
new
techniques,
new
operational
strategies.
We
very
much
follow
the
city
hierarchy
with
words
like
complete
streets
framework,
pedestrians
and
bicyclists
transit.
Of
course
you
know
vision,
zero
and
safety.
So
we've
done
a
number
of
things,
everything
from
turning
signals
to
automatic
pedestrian
indications
to
what
we
call
leading
pedestrian
intervals.
Where
we
put
the
ped
walk
up
first,
we
now
have
about
25,
I
believe
approximately
25
or
more
bike
signals.
Q
I
think
we're
one
of
the
leading
cities
in
the
nation
for
that.
So
I
think
the
short
answer
is
yes:
we've
also
looked
at
things
like
geometric
treatments,
everything
from
plastic
bollards
that
are
more
temporary
to
you,
know
concrete
bump
ups
that
are
obviously
permanent,
so
yeah
we're
continually
reassessing
how
we
both
design
and
build
and
operate
signals
with
the
lens
towards
safety
and
multimodal
service.
So
I
think
yeah.
I
think
we
put
that
into
you
today.
Q
Maybe
one
more
thing
I'll
say
is
a
lot
we
do
with
metro
transit
as
well
with
both
buses
and
lrt.
We
were
recently
lauded
by
metro
transit,
lrt
through
their
conversations
with
their
peer
colleagues
operating
transit
systems.
Q
S
That's
awesome
to
hear
and
I'll
just
throw
out
again
I'd
love
to
see
a
pilot
on
near
side
intersection
signals
like
as
we're
doing
you
know
as
we're
testing
more
and
more.
I
I
think
we
need
more
data
on
that
and
I'd
love
to
see
one
here
in
minneapolis.
So
great.
Q
So
we
may
have
talked
more
about
that
and
we
brought
it
up
in
past
years.
Katie
and
you
know,
with
our
division,
zero
program
and
multiple
things,
we're
testing
you
know
I'll.
Just
let
you
know
we
are
testing
lots
of
things
so
we'll
keep
that
under
consideration,
but
I
think
you
kind
of
know
our
our
initial
position
on
that
is
that
it's
probably
not
a
treatment.
That's
at
the
top
of
our
list
to
implement
right
now.
H
Hi
to
reiterate
john's
point:
pko4
tr,
22,
tr,
10,
tr,
99
and
tr
25
are
all
missing
any
data,
so
nothing
to
go
on
there.
I
had
a
question
about
rankings.
I
see
for
many
of
these
cbrs.
H
For
example,
tr
22
shows
a
ranking
of
one
of
10,
but
tr
10
shows
I'm
sorry.
Tr
99
shows
a
ranking
of
something
like
five
of
60
and
some
of
them
are
12
and
some
of
them
are
60..
H
L
Understanding
is,
I
don't
know
if
neil,
if
you
know
differently,
but
my
understanding
is
tpp
provides
the
internal
ranking
of
those
all
the
public
works
programs.
T
C
How
they
rank
it?
So
I'm
not
sure
if
this
is
like.
I
just
went-
and
I
republished
here
10
to
tr,
25
and
you're
right.
Those
look
like
they
hadn't
just
been
updated,
but
there
is
information
in
them
and
I'll
just
highlight
if,
when
you
guys
are
going
through
the
cbrs
and
you
see
something
that
like
is
clearly,
if
you
see
any
issues
just
like
email
me
and
let
me
know,
and
then
I
could
go
and
republish
them.
C
There's
140
of
these,
so
we're
trying
to
make
sure
we
have
the
links,
active
and
everything.
So
we've
got
a
few
already
but
yeah.
If
you
notice
anything
like
that,
we
can
go
back
and
republish
and
make
sure
that
the
information's
there,
but
I
can
check
with
tpp
and
see
what
their,
what
all
their
encompassing
within
their
project,
priorities
for
their
rankings.
H
Okay,
and
do
they
cover
everything,
that's
under
public
works
or
everything
besides
street
paving
or
what's
what's
the
break
out
there.
C
Within
them
they
have
paving,
they
have
traffic
signals,
they
have
I'm
trying
to
think
what
else
is
included
in
there.
I
can,
they
have
a.
I
don't
know
they
have
the
whole
list
off
the
top
of
my
head,
but
they
do
quite
a
bit
of
programming
within
public
works.
H
C
I'm
not
comfortable
answering
that
right
now
I
can.
I
can
go,
get
you
an
answer
of
like
what
is
included
within
their
priority
or
their
project
priority
rankings,
but
I
don't
want
to
give
you
the
running
wrong
answer
right
now.
J
Yeah
this
is
john
bernstein
I'll
just
jump
in
quick.
I
think
that
my
recollection
is
the
way
that's
been
done
in
the
past.
Is
they've
been
ranked
within
each
area
right
because
traffic
you'd
have
to
ask
the
director
of
the
department
or
something
like
that,
if
we're
going
to
ask
them
to
rank
traffic
against
paving
against
something
else,
because
now
you're
talking
about
across
a
bunch
of
different
departments
in
public
works,
you
can
argue
that
each
set
of
information
would
be
interesting.
That
might
be
a
lot
of
work
to
ask
them
to
do.
J
I
think,
and
that's
only
one
input
that
we
use,
so
I
would
say
that
relative
to
each
category
is
good
enough,
like
what's
their
highest
priority
water
project.
What's
their
highest
priority
traffic
project,
we
don't
need
to
know
how
water
goes
against
traffic
and
that
kind
of
thing,
that's
probably
asking
a
little
too
much
of
them,
would
be
my
thought.
H
Sorry
anything
else,
yeah
just
to
reiterate
that
currently
the
rankings
are
they're
mixed
up.
Some
of
them
are
clearly
ranking
against
the
entire
set.
Others
are
only
ranking
within
the
group,
so
I
think,
there's
more
than
just
a
clarification,
we're
asking
for
we're
actually
asking
for
some
some
redo
and
and
reclassification
so
that
we're
getting
what
john
just
described
a
precise
ranking
of
each
project
within
each
subsection.
U
I'm
just
wondering,
since
we
have
people
here
today
from
traffic
water
and
sewer,
if
you
guys,
could
clarify
the
your
priority
for
each
of
your
individual
projects.
That
would
be
extremely
helpful,
also
just
a
norm,
setting
thing
that
we
won't
have
to
do
for
too
much
longer.
But
if
folks
that
are
talking
could
turn
your
video
cameras
on,
if
that's
at
all
possible,
it
helps
our
flow
of
communication.
U
As
you
can
see,
there's
lots
of
people
that
want
to
ask
questions
and
it's
harder
for
us
to
see
what's
going
on
without
the
cameras
on
so
I
would
just
open
the
floor
for
public
works
folks
to
share
any
anything
that
you
have
on
those
two
good
questions.
L
This
is
ryan
anderson,
so
we
had
not
prepared
our
internal
ranking
as
I
believe
in
past
years.
It
was
a
ranking
that
our
planning
group
had
put
together.
So
we
can
get
back
to
you
with
that.
I
Yeah
I
have
two
questions.
One
is
about
pkj
004,
the
off
street
parking.
This
one
really
frustrates
me.
The
cbr
lacks
a
lot
of
information,
the
presentation,
the
video,
had
a
little
more
detail,
but
this
thing
last
year
there
was
more
detail
about
the
elevator
repairs
and
a
little
bit
about
which
ramps
were
being.
I
I
But
this
cbr
does
not
even
acknowledge
the
fact
that
there's
been
a
pandemic
for
the
last
two
years
and
it
it's
continuing
on
and
that
these
giant
facilities
that
require
millions
of
dollars
in
maintenance
every
year,
they're,
probably
quite
empty
or
somewhat
empty-
or
I
don't
know
like
we
have
vague
notions.
I
I
We've
got
brown
water
coming
out
of
people's
faucets,
and
it's
going
to
be
decades
and
decades
before
we
can
address
those.
Yet
we've
got
5
million
dollars
a
year
to
to
maintain
these
I'm
assuming
relatively
empty
facilities,
and
it
seems
that
working
from
home
is
going
to
be
more
of
a
thing
and
that
maybe
some
of
these
things
are
not
necessary.
I
I'm
not
opposed
to
parking,
I'm
not
opposed
to
a
municipal
parking
ramp,
but
I
feel
like
this
cbr
does
not
explain.
What's
going
on
in
the
city,
we
should
at
least
know
how
much
the
offspring
parking
facilities
generate
just
as
a
top-line
number.
So
I
think
this
is
more
of
a
question,
but
can
you
do
better
next
year?
I
I
feel,
like
I
made
this
comment
last
year
and
it
got
worse.
P
Okay,
this
is
this
is
mark
here
yep.
I
hear
what
you're
saying
about
the
the
lack
of
information
you're
right.
It
is
in
the
presentation
there
are
slides
there
on
all
the
parts
of
the
project
that
would
like
to
do
and
the
years
that
we
would
like
to
do
them
in.
P
As
far
as
the
pandemic
goes,
I
agree
with
you.
There
isn't
any
information
in
there
and
probably
trying
to
explain
how
the
pandemic
has
hit.
The
ramps
is
probably
too
complicated
for
for
this
session.
But,
yes,
we
did
take
a
dive
in
in
revenue
and
use
of
the
ramps,
and
it
is
now
slowly
starting
to
come
back.
I
I
think
we
want
more
information
in
the
cbrs,
or
at
least
I
do
and
not
less.
I
think
my
other
question
is
for
alan
klugman.
I
probably
I've
been
kind
of
frustrated
with
the.
I
The
city
has
just
finally
come
out
after
30
years
with
a
americans
with
disabilities
act,
ada
transition
plan
and
what
it
found
is
that
the
city
is
woefully
behind
on
removing
identifying
and
then
removing
accessibility
barriers-
and
you
talked
about
aps
signals
the
city,
I'm
curious
to
know
whether
it
would
make
sense
to
create
its
own
cbr
for
aps
signals.
I
Q
Okay,
scott,
so
a
couple
comments
there
that
kind
of
thread
together
with
with
your
questions
and
statements
quickly.
Let's
talk
about
that.
20
figure
we're
actually
at
about
40
percent,
maybe
a
little
bit
north
of
40
percent
4142.
Something
like
that.
So
of
our
800
plus
signals
we
have
about
320
to
350,
are
now
equipped
with
aps,
and
we've
made
a
really
concerted
effort.
The
past
five
to
ten
years
to
address
those.
Q
So
just
again,
just
for
statistics,
we're
about
40
percent
have
of
our
cygnus
intersections,
have
the
full
ada
rams
and
the
new
modern,
accessible
pedestrian
signals.
The
talking
signals
for
those
who
don't
know
that
term
aps
to
your
bigger
question
about
ada
transition
and
funding.
I
guess
that's.
Probably
a
larger
public
courts
question
a
little
bit
hard
for
maybe
the
traffic
group
to
speak
directly.
To
that,
I
would
say:
we've
merged
quite
well
with
the
ada
transition
plan,
which
I
believe
in
round
numbers
has
about
a
20-year
time
frame
for
addressing
the
88
ramps.
Q
What
we've
done
scott
is
somewhat
in
line
with
that
we've
lined
up
our
traffic
budget
and
traffic
funding
capital
budget
tier
21
to
rebuild
signals
with
an
emphasis
on
the
ones
that
you
know
are
older
and
therefore
would
need
the
aps.
So
you
know,
we've
largely
addressed
the
aps.
Compliance
you
know
challenge
through
our
overall
rebuilding
of
signals.
Q
Q
If
you
try
to
add
the
ramps,
you're,
probably
moving
poles
around
to
hit
the
new
geometry,
if
you
put
in
aps,
you
probably
have
to
replace
things
because
of
the
spacing
and
whatnot
slopes
of
the
sidewalk
and
ramps
and
kind
of
bottom
line.
It's
usually
the
trigger
to
rebuild
entire
signals.
So
we've
been
doing
most
of
our
apa
aps
upgrades
through
a
rather
aggressive
campaign
to
rebuild
signals
and
I'll
just
say
this
quickly,
both
with
our
own
internal
funding,
tier
21
or
also
tier
22.
Q
Sometimes
signals
are
rebuilt
from
safety
lens
and
then
also
where
we've
allocated
funds
to
match
partner
projects
like
a
mndot
or
county
or
even
say
southwest
lrt
project.
That's
rebuilding
the
signal
and
then
we
do
our
share
and
upgrade
the
aps.
So
I
guess
I
think
what
I'm
saying
is
guys.
You
know
we
feel
we've
made
very,
very
strong
progress
last
five
to
ten
years
and
if
you
look
at
our
current
budgeting
and
our
work
program,
we're
thinking
about
20
years
to
have
basically
all
new
modern
signals
with
aps
another
20
years.
I
Q
Yeah,
you
know,
I
won't.
I
can't
dispute
your
comment
on
the
years
and
and
again
I
don't
challenge
your
notion
that
it
might
be
beneficial
for
the
city
to
have
a
public
works,
wide
or
city-wide
ada
funding
mechanism
or
program.
Q
You
know
it's,
it's
not
one
that
we
have
in
traffic,
so
we
use
the
resources
we
have
and
again
tier
21
upgrade
signals
tier
22,
which
is
overall
safety,
but
many
signals
get
done
within
that
and
then,
with
our
partner
agency
projects,
where
we
share,
you
know
those
are
the
the
means
that
we
have
at
our
disposal
to
address
the
ada
situation
and
specifically
the
aps.
So
you
know
so.
We've
addressed.
I
That's
that's
all.
I
have
okay
thanks.
V
Hi
hey,
so
I
have
a
question
about
the
led
conversions
that
I
believe
are
part
of
trl11
the
city
street
light
renovation,
so
my
understanding
is
that
project
contains
both
street
pool
fixes
and
led
conversions.
Existing
poles
and
I've
just
been
sort
of
eagerly
anticipating
this.
This
led
roll
out.
V
I
know
that
it
started
several
years
ago,
but
there's
still
a
lot
of
districts
that
don't
have
these
led
conversions
happening
yet,
especially
in
places
where
they
think
they
could
benefit
not
just
from
the
energy
savings
perspective,
but
from
just
better
lighting
contributing
to
a
better
environment
for
business
and
everything
else,
community
safety.
All
of
that
so
eric
identified.
V
I
think
in
his
question
that
you
know
the
the
numbers
in
the
cbr
show
that
there's
a
it's
going
to
take
a
long
time
to
you,
know
30
years,
maybe
to
fix
all
the
street
lights
and
street
poles.
I'm
wondering
if
there's
I
couldn't
find
any
numbers,
but
I'm
wondering
if
there's
an
estimate
of
how
long
led
conversion
will
take
at
the
rates
that
are
being
currently
being
done
or
being
requested,
and
I
also
notice
in
this
activity
there
is
for
in
this
project.
V
There
is
increased
funding
in
in
the
budget
request
compared
to
current
year.
I'm
wondering
if
that
increased
funding
is
primarily
going
to
street
pool
renovation
or
led
conversion
or
both
kind
of
how?
How
how
will
this
request
help
with
the
project
to
increase,
led
conversions
and
get
us
to
100
percent.
O
Hi
matt
and
joe
here,
thank
you
for
the
question.
Yeah.
We
have
about
20
000,
city-owned
maintained
street
lights
in
the
city
and
they
kind
of
fall
into
two
buckets.
We'll
say
the
high
level
poles
that
are
kind
of
30
foot
and
taller
and
then
kind
of
the
low
level
poles,
which
are
the
more
decorative
type
and
so
about
7
000
are
the
high
level
and
about
13
000
a
low
level.
O
So
we
start
with
the
high
level
ones:
first
they're
less
expensive
and
you
get
a
because
they
use
more
electricity
to
start.
Then
you
have
you
get
a
quicker
payback
on
those,
so
we're
still
working
through
those
high
level,
fixture
conversions
and
then
once
we
finish
that
we'll
shift
over
to
the
the
low
level
lights,
which
use
less
electricity
and
are
more
expensive
because
they're
due
their
decorative
nature,
they're
kind
of
more
of
an
aesthetic
type
of
pull
as
well.
O
So
that
will
take
longer
to
go
through
those
13
000,
approximately
low
level
street
lights,
to
convert
those
but
yeah,
as
the
funding
is
increased.
That
will
allow
us
to
accelerate
the
led
conversion.
You
know
it's
kind
of
a
bit
of
a
balance
between
led
conversion
and
pole
conditions.
O
So
those
are
usually
a
little
more
urgent
if
we
have
the
information
that
their
condition
is
very
poor,
we'll
replace
those,
but
we
do
continually
replace
the
led,
but
if,
for
some
reason
some
of
the
poles
conditions
accelerate
to
be
the
condition
to
be
more
poor
than
anticipated,
we
may
have
to
catch
up
a
little
bit
with
that
and
then
bounce
back
to
led.
O
So
it's
a
little
bit
of
a
balance
but
yeah
as
we
continue
on
20
000
lights
takes
takes
a
while
and
the
cost
is
very
high
and
so
again
we're
there's
some
flexibility,
so
increased
funding
will
be.
We
would
be
able
to
do
more
conversions
and
adjust
accordingly,
if
that's
to
occur.
V
O
We
are
still
in
the
first
seven
thousand
we
could
calculate
out.
You
know
we
know
the
approximate
cost
to
convert
each
type
of
fixture.
We
could
calculate
that
out
to
get
the
full,
the
full
number
and
then
you
know
make
some
assumptions
on
how
much
the
funding
is
per
year
and
and
get
an
estimate
ballpark
of
of
how
many
years
that
would
be,
and
that's
assuming
that
we
don't
have
kind
of
an
unexpected.
O
O
B
You
thank
you
two
more
questions.
Then
we
move
on
to
storm
and
sewer
ann
john
and
then
eric.
W
Thank
you
for
your
time.
I
just
have
one
quick
comments
and
one
question
so
I'll
buy.
One
comment
is
on
pko4
and
I
think
I
wanted
to
just
echo
scott's
comments
and
and
sentiments
on
on
our
parking
systems.
W
W
But
at
the
same
time
we
evaluate
the
long
range
improvement
projects.
I
think
a
conversation
needs
to
be
had
on
the
long-term
viabilities
of
our
municipal
parking
services
to
see
if
there
is
a
long-term
viability
or
the
financial
sustainability
of
maintaining
this
current
level
of
capacity
to
provide
a
city-owned
off-street
parking
services.
So
I
would
like
to
just
mention
that
so
we
can
have
those
conversations.
W
My
other
question
is
mostly
on
just
throughout
the
list
of
projects.
Maybe
this
is
just
because
of
the
differences
between
the
budget
requests
and
the
adopted
business
in
the
previous
years
or
different
way
of
how
we
categorize
the
dollars.
Q
Yeah
no
bro,
I
think
jonathan.
I
think
the
general
comment
I'm
just
going
to
say
to
you
and
we
see
this
throughout
public
works,
I'm
not
sure
if
you're
seeing
this
with
other
divisions,
the
upfront
effort
on
projects
is
getting
a
little
bit
longer
a
little
bit
more
involved.
Q
Our
projects
are
a
bit
more
complex
than
they've
historically
been.
We
try
to
do
a
bit
more
in
what
we
call
the
zero
to
30
percent
stage
of
a
project
we
usually
say
30
is
when
a
project
is
like
fully
set
and
from
that
point,
on
you're
kind
of
doing
detailed
design.
In
recent
years,
we've
had
more
public
involvement,
more
public
engagement,
more
upfront
work,
so
we're
kind
of
shifting
some
of
our
costs
at
zero
to
30
percent
and
kind
of
reallocating.
What
a
total
budget
means
for
some
of
these
projects.
Q
The
second
thing
I'll
bring
in
is
in
this
kind
of
one
of
the
fun
things
with
our
profession.
Is
everything
gets
a
little
bit
more
complicated
a
little
bit
more
complex,
some
of
our
technologies,
some
of
the
products
we're
working
with,
so
we
are
spending
a
little
bit
more
time
up
front
with
some
of
our
design
efforts
and
our
analysis
efforts
before
we
go
to
construction.
Q
So
we
just
tried
to
you
know
better
reflect
what
the
overall
split
of
cost
kind
of
from
start
to
finish
on
a
project
and
where
we're
incurring
those
costs
to
develop
the
project
before
we
actually
start
to
build
it.
B
J
Thanks
so
I
just
want
to
follow
one
on
the
parking
as
well.
I
want
to
ask
specifically
even
more
pointedly
than
scott
did
for
this
data,
and-
and
we
don't
want
to
wait
another
year-
that's
not
an
acceptable
way
to
do
this.
We
need
to
see
so
you
guys
are
going
to
more
than
double
the
what
the
funding
you're
asking
for.
So
what
I'd
like
to
see
is
what
assumptions
are
in
that?
Does
that
mean
you're
raising
parking
rates?
J
What
are
you
assuming
about
the
amount
of
parking
and
the
capacity
levels
in
those
parking
garages
relative
to
the
past
that
that
sort
of
thing,
and
so,
if
we
can
get
that
before
the
end
of
the
month,
I
think
we're
gonna.
We
need
to
rate
these
projects
today
and
I
think
we're
going
to
defer
on
a
few
of
these
until
we
get
some
more
data,
the
other.
J
The
only
other
thing
I
wanted
to
point
out,
maybe
emilia,
can
confirm
if
I
have
this
correct,
because
I
think
this
is
important
for
both
people
to
know
scott
said
something
about
needs,
other
needs
in
the
city
and
spending
five
million
dollars
on
parking
garages,
and
while
that
we
can
agree
or
disagree
about
whether
that's
true
well,
it
is
true
the
point
I
want
to
make.
I
think
this
is
correct.
J
Correct
me,
if
I'm
wrong
amelia
enterprise
funds,
whether
you're
talking
about
sewer
water
or
parking,
cannot
raise
revenue
and
then
divert
it
to
something
other
than
their
own
infrastructure.
So
from
that
perspective,
even
though
what
scott
said
might
be
true,
you
can't
raise
parking
revenue
and
spend
it
on.
Something
else.
Is
that
correct,
amelia.
U
So,
for
the
other
two
you
mentioned,
that
is
correct
water
and
sewer
very
specific
utilities,
but
for
the
parking
fund
we
do
transfer
between
four
and
seven
million
dollars
to
the
general
fund
every
year.
Just
as
an
acknowledgement
of
all
of
the
other
effort
that
goes
around
like
parking
is
a
part
of
what
happens
downtown
and
to
contribute-
and
we
know
that
a
lot
of
that
is
supported
by
general
fund
work
too.
U
So
parking
is
a
little
bit
of
a
different
flavor
than
the
other
two
you
mentioned
that
do
have
extremely
tight
rules
around
being
segregated
and
being
used
only
for
those
purposes.
U
You
know
I
wouldn't
be
able
to
speak
to
that
precisely
right
now,
but
I
we
can
certainly
look
into
that
and
if
public
works
has
any
comments
on
that
please
chime
in,
but
we
can
work
with
public
works
to
get
a
good
answer.
J
Thanks
and
so
then,
just
circling
back
to
what
we're
requesting
from
public
works
on
parking
garages
with
respect
to
what
revenues,
what
this
means
for
parking
increases
and
the
capacity
of
the
lots
and
all
that
kind
of
stuff.
The
other
piece
of
that
would
be
how
much
of
this
money
is
being
peeled
off
for
other
things,.
U
So
where
I
will-
and
I
know
I
just-
that
I'd-
let
public
works-
talk,
which
I
promise
I'll
do
after
this
last
comment,
but
we
do
have
information
about
the
parking
fund
that
will
include
things
like
what
are
the
tran
plan
transfer
amounts.
What
are
the
revenues
and
expenditures?
Those
the
second
layer
down?
Assumptions
like
costs
and
fees
are
something
we'll
need
to
get
from
public
works,
but
I
can
probably
put
in
the
chat
the
most
recent
parking
fund
plan
that
will
give
you
some
of
that
information.
J
Just
one
last
thing
to
simplify
and
clarify
it.
I
mean
to
get
at
what
we're
trying
to
get
at
here
if
they're
asking
for
five
million
dollars
and
only
planning
to
spend
three
million
on
that
parking
garage
and
two
millions
going
to
the
general
fund,
that's
we
need
to
know
that
that's
kind
of
where
I'm
going.
I
know
that's
a
huge
oversimplification,
but
that's
what
I
mean.
U
And
that's
that's
all
in
free,
so
I
can
tell
you
right
now
that
last
year
the
transfer
was
seven
million
and
this
year,
because
of
the
impact
of
the
pandemic
on
the
the
financial
stability
of
the
parking
fund.
It
will
be,
I
believe,
four,
maybe
a
little
bit
over
four
million,
so
that
information
we
have
and
I'll
I'll
put
the
link
in
the
chat.
I
I
asked
a
real
quick
question:
what
I've
noticed
is
finance
and
public
works
also
calls
it
the
parking
fund.
So
what
they're
doing
is
they're
combining
the
off
street
and
the
on-street
parking
into
one
pool
of
funds,
and
I'm
very
curious
to
know
what
the
off
street
parking
since
they've
taken
the
cbr
out
of
here
for
on-street
parking
I'd
be
curious
to
know
the
off-street
parking.
What
revenue
that
makes.
S
I
will
say
I
don't
have
access
to
the
chat.
I
don't
know
if
other
people
do
so,
if
you're
trying
to
put
something
in
there,
we
won't
see
it.
U
C
Yeah
I
can,
I
can
talk
with
mark
a
little
bit
more
and
then
also
pull
together,
that
finance
plan
to
send
out
to.
R
Yeah,
so
I'm
actually
putting
my
my
video
on
so
it's
partially
commentary,
as
the
justice
department
reminds
us,
street
lighting
is
the
the
number
one
most
strategic
action
that
a
community
can
use
to
to
enforce
public
safety
and
to
reduce
crime
and
and
looking
at
your
backlog,
as
well
as
the
arguments
that
you
use
for
street
lighting,
I
think
there
there
is
a
much
more
compelling
argument
to
be
made
on
why
street
lighting
has
to
take
a
higher
priority.
R
The
funds
that
were
provided
by
the
president
last
round
had
money
for
public
safety
and
that
money
could
have
easily
have
accomplished
all
the
street
lighting
projects
that
that
you
have
listed
here
for
the
next
20
30
years,
if,
if,
if
at
all
possible,
I'd
like
the
the
people
doing
straight
street
lighting
to
start
thinking
through
the
lens
of
of
public
safety,
rather
than
simply
having
light
on
the
streets,
because
the
real
the
real
return
on
that
investment
in
street
lighting
is
public
safety.
R
Anyway,
I
I
will
have
a
comment
in
the
in
our
click
report
to
that
effect,
and
I
I
just
hope
that
public
works
will
start
tying
itself.
Closer
to
to
to
outcomes-
and
in
this
particular
case,
it's
in
the
outcome
is
better
public
safety.
B
Welcome
welcome
to
you
all.
You
want
to
give
a
brief
summary
before
we
start.
F
So
we
also
have
kelly
moriarty
with
us.
She
is
a
principal
for
professional
engineer
within
our
division
and
has
several
programs
that
we'll
be
talking
about
so
a
brief
introduction.
So
the
surface
water
and
sewers
division
of
public
works
is
responsible
for
the
operations,
maintenance
and
capital
improvement,
needs
of
the
sanitarian
storm
systems
for
the
city
of
minneapolis,
I'll
begin
by
summarizing
the
storm,
sewer
system
and
related
programs,
and
then
we'll
summarize,
the
sanitary
system
and
programs.
F
F
The
nine
surface,
water
and
sewer
capital
budget
requests
were
previously
presented
in
detail.
We
have
rankings
for
storm
sewer
projects
and
sanitary
projects
relative
to
each
other
by
fund.
A
high
level
summary
for
the
six
storm
sewer
programs
includes
program.
Sw004,
provides
funding
to
support
the
implementation
of
the
city's
clean
water
act,
permit
which
regulates
how
we
manage
storm
water
and
protect
our
lakes,
creeks
and
the
river.
F
F
Next
slide,
please
moving
on
to
our
sanitary
sewer
system.
Our
sanitary
sewer
system
is
critical
for
protecting
the
environment
and
ensuring
public
health
in
our
region
through
the
collection
and
conveyance
of
wastewater
to
a
wastewater
treatment
plant
next
slide.
Please
an
overview
of
the
three
sanitary
sewer
programs
include
program.
Sa001
is
used
for
the
rehabilitation
and
reconstruction
of
our
sanitary
system,
condition.
Assessment
data
is
utilized
to
identify
the
high
priority
areas
where
infrastructure
improvement
needs
are
identified
and
made.
F
Sa036
is
a
program
where
we
are
asking.
We
are
seeking
support
for
the
continued
removal
of
inflow
and
infiltration
from
our
sanitary
system
and
sapvr
is
a
program
utilized
to
fund
sewer
infrastructure
improvement
needs
that
have
been
identified
and
can
be
coordinated
with
paving
projects
next
slide.
Please,
and
with
that,
we
have
our
program
managers
on
the
call
to
answer
any
questions
that
you
may
have.
B
S
Yeah
just
a
note
to
staff,
I
can't
get
the
sw040
to
open,
it's
just
a
note
there
and
then
I
was
curious
for
sanitary
and
sewer
staff,
our
storm
water
staff.
How
has
a
2040
plan
and
the
you
know
the
density
along
certain
corridors?
How
has
that
influenced
your
planning
for
that?
Greater
capacity
of
people.
D
S
Okay,
thanks
awesome,
so
the
maps
that
you,
you
know
have
been
showing
us
in
a
number
of
these
projects,
those
are
taking
into
account
the
expected-
or
you
know,
starting
to
plan
for
the
expected
increased
density
in
certain
areas.
D
Yeah,
particularly
with
the
sw39
planning
for
increased
capacity
on
the
storm
sewer
side
and
then
in
in
most
of
our
sanitary
programs.
One
of
the
one
of
the
benefits
of
having
a
formerly
combined
system
is
that
we
actually
do
have
excess
capacity
already
on
the
sanitary
side.
So
it
hasn't
been.
You
know
an
urgent
concern
for
us,
but
we're
still
looking
at
it
through
getting
more
data
and
more
modeling.
S
Awesome
thanks
and
then
the
last
thing
is
just
a
comment.
I'm
really.
I
always
get
really
excited
to
see
the
combined
sewer
overflow
graph
that
you
have
and
that
it's
consistently
like
we've
had
zero
events
of
combined.
You
know
combined
events
for
like
a
decade
or
more
so
just
kudos.
B
B
The
overflow
of
the
the
golf
course
and
the
the
s
flooding
that's
supposedly
happening
by
nokomis.
F
F
We'll
be
having
a
town
hall
meeting
to
present
the
findings
and
be
available
to
answer
questions
that
are
specific
to
that.
We've
provided
some
resources
on
our
website
for
homeowners
to
reference
to
do
some
flood
mitigation
and
protection
on
their
properties
and
then
there'll
be
some
additional
ongoing
research.
That's
performed
the!
U
of
m
will
be
taking
the
lead
on
some
peat
soil,
modeling
and
we'll
continue
partnerships
with
the
un,
u
of
m,
and
the
park
and
recreation
board
in
the
watershed
district
and
others
as
well.
B
S
So
in
particular
I
was
looking
at
the
nicolette.
Mall
has
is
slated
for
storms
who
are
paving,
and
but
I
know
that
it,
but
that
road
in
particular
or
so
not
necessarily
nicolette
avenue
on
eat
street
is
slated
for
work.
But
it
is
not
a
project.
There's
no
cbr
for
project
reconstruction,
so
I'm
curious
kind
of
what
like.
Can
you
explain
why
you're
doing
that
now,
when
there's
not
going
to
be
a
full
reconstruction
and
kind
of
the
decision
making
around
that?
I
Yeah,
I
just
wanted
to
say
that
your
presentations
are
always
very
excellent,
so
I
think
I
said
this
last
year,
but
and
I'm
quite
impressed
that
you
guys
seem
like
kind
of
on
top
of
it.
The
infrastructure
is
obviously
old
and
you've
done
just
a
really
good
job
of
evaluating
the
the
age
of
the
system
and
seems
very
organized
in
a
comprehensive
view
of
how
to
make
repairs.
So
I
wish
other
portions
of
public
works
would
also
sort
of
buy
into
this
sort
of
concept
specifically
around
the
sidewalks
and
stuff.
C
Well,
we
still
have
the
water
folks.
N
Thanks
hi,
my
name
is
annika
bankston.
I
am
the
director
of
the
division
of
water
treatment
and
distribution
services.
You
just
get
me
today,
I'm
going
to
try
to
field
field
the
click
questions
I
will
try
to
share
my
screen
just
so.
N
I
can
remind
folks
what
we're
talking
about
so
this
is
from
the
the
website,
and
so
the
water
infrastructure
projects
include
water
distribution,
improvements,
water
treatment,
infrastructure
improvements,
the
advanced
metering,
infrastructure,
columbia,
heights
campus
upgrades
electrical
service,
rehabilitation,
our
softening
plant
chemical
system,
improvements,
friendly
facilities
and
campus
improvements,
renewable
energy
at
our
treatment
campuses,
a
couple
new
ones
this
year
include
our
southwest
pump
station
replacement
and
our
northeast
high
service
pump
station.
N
I
will
note
the
wtr
18,
the
hiawatha
campus
will
be
discussed
and
presented
or
you'll,
be
able
to
ask
questions
as
about
as
part
of
the,
I
believe
it's
the
public
grounds
and
facilities,
presentation,
q,
a-
and
I
think
that's
next
week,
the
other
disclaimer
I'll
note.
Unfortunately,
I
think-
or
so
these
aren't
ranked
or
excuse
me
they.
There
is
a
ranking
of
project
priorities
relative
to
the
water
infrastructure
program,
so
ranked
on
the
order
of
a
number
of
11
of
11
projects.
N
I
will
note
our
highest
priority:
critical
project
wtr-12
water
distribution.
Unfortunately,
this
link
appears
to
go
to
a
paving
project
so,
depending
on
you
know,
the
time
we
have
I'd
be
certainly
willing
that
once
you
guys
are
able
to
review
that
project
right
up,
we
did
try
to
make
a
very
conscious
effort
to
address
some
of
clicks
questions
last
year's
from
last
year.
N
So
it
might
be
I'm
happy
to
come
to
another
q
a
session
once
we
make
sure
that
click
has
access
to
that
to
that
write-up
and
a
chance
to
review
it.
So.
B
S
I
have
a
question
about
the
wtr
35
renewable
energy
at
the
water
treatment
campuses.
I
believe
this
has
been
in
the
in
the
clickbook
for
a
number
of
years
and
I'm
surprised
that
the
the
ppa
hasn't
yet
been
finalized.
So
just
curious
about
the
delay
on
that
and
if
you
have
any
further
information
sure.
N
So
when
we
first
started
this
approach,
the
intent
was
that
we,
as
actually
the
water
utility
or
as
the
city
would
own,
the
solar
array
would
actually
own
the
infrastructure,
and
so
we
proceeded
through.
I
would,
I
would
call
it
almost
a
conventional
design
bid
build
project
delivery
with
the
anticipation
that
the
payback
period
and
the
cost
would
make
it
justifiable
and
that
we
would
be
saving.
You
know
money
over
the
course
of
the
of
the
array
when
we
received
bids
at
the
end
of
last
year.
N
That,
in
fact,
was
not
the
case.
The
payback
period
was
longer
than
the
life
of
the
array,
and
so
we
had
to
take
a
step
back
and
figure
out.
You
know:
is
this
going
to
need
to
be
subsidized?
How
do
we
do
this
partnered
back
with
property
services
and
understanding
where
they
were
at
in
the
in
their
power
provider
agreements
the
ppa
agreements
they
they
needed
more
capacity
in
those
agreements.
N
So
actually
we
dovetailed
that
ppa
approach
that
the
city
was
using
for
other
facilities
with
our
water
treatment
approach,
and
so
now
a
ppa
will
be
entered
into
for
that
first
array.
Up
at
the
columbia
heights
treatment
plant,
so
actually
the
memorandum
of
understanding
the
leases,
the
power
purchase
agreements
are
in
their
final
round
of
review.
So
we
are
really
excited
that
we'll
actually
be
able
to
be.
N
You
know
starting
to
put
shovels
in
the
ground,
this
construction
season
to
get
that
solar
array
put
in
up
at
our
columbia
heights
campus
moving
forward
in
the
long
run.
We
you
know
in
order
to
meet
on-site
renewable
goals
for
the
city.
Water,
with
our
pumping
systems,
is
a
high
energy
user.
So
we're
going
to
need
to
be
part
of
that
solution
and
so
continuing
to
evaluate,
what's
the
best
way
to
quote-unquote.
Have
you
know
on-site
own,
our
own
power
generation
capacity,
I'm
anticipating
more
ppas,
will
be
in
our
future.
N
I
will
caveat
that
that
we're
always
very
sensitive
about
you
know:
building
things
on
top
of
finished
water
reservoir
and
on
water
infrastructure.
So
understanding
you
know,
leasing
and
access
to
those
sites
is
something
that
is
a
little
bit
trickier
than
you
know
other
greenfield
sites,
but
something
we
can
certainly
can
certainly
work
through.
So
so
I
hope
next
year's
click
will
have
pictures
of
the
new
array
at
columbia
heights.
So.
J
Thanks
so
my
question
relates
to
water
12.,
so
it
could
be
that
some
of
this
is
addressed
in
water
12
and,
as
you
pointed
out,
we
can't
see
it.
I
emailed
that
issue
to
neil
so
hopefully
he'll
get
that
worked
out
pretty
soon.
So
apologies
if
it's
addressed
there,
but
maybe
that'll
give
you
the
opportunity
to
talk
about
it
now.
J
As
you
know,
we
had
several
discussions
back
and
forth
between
you
and
some
of
us
on
click
and
some
citizens
about
dead,
end
water
mains
and
challenges
that
those
present
over
500
500
of
them
around
the
city.
Of
course,
they
each
each
individual
one
of
those
only
if
impacts
a
small
number
of
residents.
That's
the
one
side
of
the
story.
The
other
side
of
the
story
is
those
residents
are
paying
the
same
water
rates
that
all
the
rest
of
us
are
paying
and
they're
not
getting
the
same.
J
Quality
of
water.
I
recognize
that
the
water
is
not
unsafe
or
anything
like
that.
But
there
are
some
issues
around
it
that
I
think
tend
to
get
glossed
over
and
just
as
a
result
of
having
extra
sediment
in
it.
So
I'm
just
curious
if
you've
addressed
that
in
any
way
relative
to
those
conversations
last
year
or
what
the
thinking
is
going
forward
on
that
to
try
to
sell.
N
We
did
definitely
address
some
of
that
with
respect
to
the
water
quality
and
all
our
condition
assessment
work
that
we've
been
doing
in
the
distribution
system,
so
one
highlight,
I
guess,
is
that
we're
we're
accelerating
that
program,
we're
increasing
you
know
up
to
12
or
yeah
12
million
a
year
with
the
hopes
that
in
the
past,
we've
been
cleaning
and
lining
six
to
eight
miles
per
year
this
year,
we're
going
to
do
13
and
the
intent
is
to
ramp
up
that
program
to
20
miles
per
year
and
and
trying
to
be
able
to
sustain
that
level.
N
The
capital
appropriation
is
one
thing,
there's
a
lot
of
internal
resources
that
that
you
know
we're
kind
of
we're
growing
that
as
well.
So
it's
a
balance
not
only
of
capital
funds,
but
also
internal
staffing
and
resources
for
that
in
regards
to
dead
end
water
mains.
It's
it's
definitely
a
challenge.
One
of
the
one
of
the
issues
is
you
can't
just
line?
N
Oh
dead
end
water
main
by
itself
without
addressing
the
upstream
area,
it's
if
it's
fed
by
water
mains
that
aren't
cleaned
and
lined
you're
you're,
not
going
to
necessarily
solve
the
problem
that
they
basically
are
the
kind
of
the
drip
legs
unfortunate.
For
I
mean
I
hate
to
characterize
them
as
that.
But
if
you
get
the
concept
the
sediment,
that's
in
the
system
will
flow
to
them
regardless.
N
So
what
our
current
condition
assessment
is
doing?
Is
we
go
and
we
perform
hydrant
flow
testing
and
if
the
hydrant
flows
compared
to
what
their
capacity
should
be
or
low,
it
tells
us
that
there's
that
buildup
in
the
water
mains,
that
the
water
mains
in
the
area
are
occluded
with
with
this
tuberculation.
With
this
with
this
rust
buildup,
and
so
what
we
found
over
the
course
of
doing
that
condition
assessment
is
we
have
some
very
severe
problems
in
our
system.
N
N
You
are
therefore
addressing
the
sources
of
that
red
water
and
that
water
quality
as
well
so-
and
you
know,
there's
you
know
one
particular
area
that
that's
a
dead
end
main
is
going
to
get
cleaned
in
line
this
year,
because
it's
associated
with
some
of
those
tier
one
areas.
So
that's
really
where
our
highest
priority
needs
to
be
and
is
most
prudent
for
us
to
move
forward
to.
We
hope
with
that
funding
level.
N
If
we're
able
to
sustain
it,
we're
going
to
be
able
to
address
all
those
tier
one
areas
in
the
next
three
years
or
so
by
2025
is
our
goal
to
get
all
those
high
priority
areas
or
tier
one
areas
addressed
moving
on
from
that,
then
we
can
start
factoring
in
things
like
frequency
of
water
quality,
complaints,
understanding.
N
The
other
thing
we're
doing
with
this
is
actually
performing
more
comprehensive
testing
throughout
the
city
actually
getting
documentation.
Not
only
were
there
we're
getting
complaints,
and
but
also
these
other
areas
where
we
suspect
we
do
have.
You
know
potential
for
redwater
issues
and
understanding
what
that
bulk
water
quality
is.
So
you
know
we
are
going
to
get
to
the
dead
ends
we
have
and
how
we
prioritize
them
in
is
relative
to
these
fire
flow
testing,
and
then
you
know
there
are
other
opportunities.
N
If
there's
you
know
street
projects
coming,
if
there's
other
kind
of
infrastructure
things
that
we
can
leverage
to
to
address
them,
we
will
but
again
doing
them
one-off
by
themselves,
doesn't
necessarily
solve
the
problem.
You
need
to
make
sure
the
upstream
network
is
also
addressed
as
part
of
it.
So.
J
Just
a
brief
follow-up,
but
first
I
just
want
to
commend
you
on
having
responded.
You
know
significantly
to
this
from
a
year
ago.
Bravo-
and
you
know
clearly
tripling
the
rate
at
which
your
lining
means
is,
is
the
best
thing
overall
for
everybody,
including
people
that
have
dead
end
water
main.
So
that's
fantastic.
N
S
Katie
yeah,
I
have
a
couple
of
questions
on
the
two
service
booster
pumps,
so
in
northeast
and
and
southwest
so
there's
a
pump
station
replacement.
So
these
are
two
new
projects
and
I
see
that
you're
asking
for
funding
in
you
know
next
year
and
so
really
early
years.
You
know.
Typically,
we
like
to
see
you
know:
new
projects
have
funds,
and
out
years
can
so
I
guess
what
is
your
case
for
needing
funding
earlier
rather
than
later,
yep.
N
So
I
will
say
that
with
these
are
these
are
booster
stations
and
right
now
you
know,
there's
ongoing
review
of
what
I'm
going
to
call
preliminary
planning.
N
So
it's
not
a
detailed
design
phase
yet,
but
it's
basically
taking
a
look
at
what
some
of
these
old
booster
stations
have
been
doing
for
us
and
one
what
we
need
them
to
do
and
then,
as
noted,
both
of
these
pumping
systems
have
been
have
been
have
come
up
on
our
condition
assessment,
as
the
pumping
equipment's,
old
and
worn
out
in
particular,
southwest
the
control
systems
are
really
old
and
worn
out
like
we
can't.
N
You
know
we're
going
onto
ebay
to
find
parts
to
help
fix
our
control
panels
and
stuff
at
them,
and
things
like
that,
and
so
really
what
we
look
at
is
our
overall
funding
capacity
and
really
what
we
are
comfortable
with
with
respect
to
our
debt
service
and,
as
other
programs
are
coming
off,
we
put
ones
on
so
we
when
we
look
at
what
this
debt
load
is.
We
think
adding
that
relative
to
where
the
electrical
rehab
project
and
things
like
that,
basically
leveling
out
kind
of
our
debt
service,
or
so
we're
not
hitting
spikiness.
N
You
know
we
originally
thought.
Maybe
these
would
be
absorbed
into
like
wtr
23,
which
is
kind
of
our
ongoing.
You
know
we
thought
these
might
be
just
some
pump
replacement
projects
that
you
know
might
have
been
a
a
couple
hundred
thousand
dollars
or
something
like
that.
But
the
more
we
looked
into
what
is
the
right
solution?
Long
term?
We
realize
these
could
be
multi-year
projects,
the
warrant
higher
higher
funding,
so
the
the
pumps,
the
the
interior
equipment.
N
We
know
we
need
to
replace
it
and
sooner,
but
sooner
rather
than
later
and
again,
rather
than
having
it
kind
of
absorbed
into
that
wtr
23.
The
need
came
up
that
it's
going
to
be
a
higher
level
and
warranted
their
own
separate
click
program
projects.
S
Got
it
and
a
quick
follow-up
on
that,
so
the
bond
activity?
We
can't
like
drill
down
into
this,
at
least
that
I
can
tell
so
those
are
those
would
be
water
bonds
and
not
net
debt
bonds.
Correct,
maybe
that's
a
question
for
you.
N
C
See,
I
believe
I
mean
I
think.
Last
year
we
did
split
out
the
ones
that
were
I'll
have
to
check
into
this
both
of
these
so
I'll
get.
I
can
follow
up
with
you.
S
Awesome
thanks
because
I
think
what
it's
helpful
for
us
to
know.
You
know
to
me
when
I'm
going
through
this
exercise
is
like
the
net
debt
bonds,
like
that's
our
that's
the
thing
that
has
the
greatest
amount
of
flexibility
and
so
like.
If
there
are
things
that
don't
have
to
be
put
in
that
bucket,
let's
you
know,
take
them
out
and
knowing
where
these
two
projects
fit
are
useful.
Well,.
N
And
the
other
exciting
opportunity
ahead
of
us
is
really
understanding.
You
know
the
infrastructure,
investment
and
jobs
under
with
the
expansion
of
the-
and
I
touched
on
this
in
my
presentation.
A
little
bit
is
really
you
know
in
the
past
the
cost
of
that
money
with
the
recent
kind
of
you
know
bonding
market.
It
was
wasn't
that
beneficial,
but
as
more
monies
are
coming
into
that,
that
is
something
we,
as
the
water
utility
are
definitely
going
to
be.
N
Looking
at,
you
know
drinking
water,
evolving
fun
again,
that's
still
we're
still
seeking
appropriations
to
go
and
enter
into
debt
for
this,
but
understanding
what
those
opportunities
are
through
the
through
the
state
drinking
water
revolving
fund
from
those
federal
monies
is
definitely
another
an
important
source
of
us
sorts
of
funds
for
us
to
be
looking
at
as
options
for
us.
So.
J
So
I'm
thinking
that
katie's
bonding
question
there
might
be
a
broader
answer
to
this.
That
amelia
can
chime
in
on
again
I
could
be
mistaken,
so
she'll
correct
me.
If
I'm
wrong,
I
thought
if
it's
equipment
like
water,
pumping
equipment
that
would
be
water
bonds.
If
it's
a
building
that
houses
that
equipment,
then
there
might
be
an
option
to
use
net
debt
bonds.
But
if
it's
specific
water
equipment,
it's
probably
water
bonds
amelia
do
I
need
to
be
corrected
or
is
that
correct.
U
I
think
that's
about
right.
I
would
say:
net
debt
bonds
can
be
used
on
anything
and
well.
You
know
not
anything
but
they're,
more
flex,
they're
the
most
flexible
bonds
we
have,
I
would
say,
and
then
water,
the
water
funds
are
restricted
to
those
use.
So
I
think
you'll
see
in
our
plans
and
historically
that
we
have
just
depending
on
the
needs
and
the
proposals
of
stuff
within
that
water
fund
used
net
debt
bonds
as
needed,
but
I
think
sometimes
we've
used
net
debt
bonds
in
buildings.
Sometimes
we've
used
just
water
funds
and
buildings.
U
J
U
Yeah
and
then,
depending
on
what
the
priorities
are
like,
if
there's
a
lot
of
work
to
be
done
with
those
water
bonds,
and
we
need
this
net
debt
bond
like
a
little
bit
more
funding
to
get
a
project
over
the
line,
then
we
may
consider
it,
but
I
think
traditionally
we
would
look
to
the
water
fund
first
and
then
see
what
the
rest
of
our
our
financial
situation
is
perfect.
Thanks.
T
Good
afternoon
click
members,
I'm
al
thunder
the
director
of
fleet
services
division
and
I
also
have
beth
held
with
me,
and
I
believe,
jeff
mercury
is
on
the
call
as
well
from
fleet
a
quick
overview
of
what
fleet
does
were
a
little
different
than
a
lot
of
the
other
divisions
within
public
works.
Is
we're
an
internal
service
fund.
T
So,
while
we're
not
out
there
providing
infrastructure
and
repairs
and
maintenance,
we
we
manage
the
the
vehicles
within
the
city
so
that
they
can
go
out
and
and
do
their
job
and
provide
their
services
to
the
public.
We
manage
not
only
public
works
fleet,
but
also
police,
fire
regulatory
services,
cped
and
and
all
the
other
vehicles
within
the
city,
so
a
quick
overview
of
who
we
are.
As
far
as
our
our
budget
requests.
We
have
three
primary
three.
T
I
guess
groups
that
we've
put
in
fleet:
oh
one,
two
and
three,
the
first
one
being
electric
vehicle
charging
stations,
so
we
are
going
with
electric
vehicles.
Whenever
we
can,
you
know,
there's
still
limited.
We
we
buy
as
many
sedans
as
possible.
We
are
getting
into
the
pickup.
We've
ordered
several
pickups
and
vans.
T
It'll,
be
sometime,
of
course,
before
we
start
seeing
the
large
trucks,
the
dump
trucks
and
the
various
trucks
that
you
see
out
there
before
they're
electric.
But
again
we
are
going
electric
wherever
we
can.
We've
projected
over
the
next
six
years
that
if
we
get
everything
we're
hoping
to
get
electric
in
order
to
keep
these
vehicle
charged,
it's
going
to
take
a
big
investment.
T
We
have
to
provide
charging
stations
at
the
locations
where
these
vehicles
are
parked.
In
most
cases,
they
plug
in
overnight
do
their
work
for
the
day
come
back
in
plug
in
you
know
overnight
again
and
be
charged
ready
to
go.
We
in
most
cases
we
think
we
can
get
by
with
the
one
charger
for
every
two
vehicles
and
that
won't
always
be
true,
but
we
think
that's
about
an
average.
So
that's
when
we're
predicting
or
forecasting
our
number
of
charging
stations.
T
That's
what
we
look
at
cost
is
very
difficult
to
project,
but
we
started
at
ten
thousand
dollars
per
charging
station.
Now
the
charging
stations
themselves
don't
cost
that
much.
But
when
you
add
in
the
cost
of
installing
the
infrastructure,
it
can
be
very
costly,
and
that
varies
from
project
to
project
as
well,
depending
on
the
amount
of
power
available
at
the
site
or
if
we
are
bringing
additional
power
in.
T
So
we've
projected
ten
thousand
dollars
per
charging
station,
with
an
increase
of
about
three
percent
a
year
for
inflation
that
that
may
be
low.
So
so
our
biggest
request
is
the
three
billion
dollars
plus
for
electric
vehicle
charting
stations.
I
know
last
year
it
was
talked
about
pulling
out
some
of
the
requests
for
the
fuel.
T
We
talked
about
that
and
it
was
decided
that
that
should
all
stay
in
one
group
between
I
believe
the
budget
office.
The
mayor's
office
wanted
to
reduce
the
number
of
overall
groups
we
had,
so
those
two
did
stay
together.
So
in
that
area
we
also
have
100
000
requests
to
upgrade
our
our
fuel
island.
That's
down
at
the
park
board
facility
and
again
that's
you
know,
step
fuel
line's
been
there
20
some
years.
What
we
do
is
we
put
in
new
pumps
and
the
main
thing
is
getting
new
plumbing
in
the
ground.
T
Our
other
two
areas
that
we're
looking
at
are
shop
equipment.
We
have
two
primary
facilities
that
are
both
in
the
area
of
23
20
years
old
and
a
lot
of
the
equipment
that
was
in
these
facilities.
To
start
with,
has
has
aged
out
so
again,
more
vehicle
hoist
a
large
tire
machine
for
the
big
trucks,
a
man
lift,
so
that
the
guys
can
be
on
a
lift
when
they're
working
at
the
high
on
a
truck.
This
is
an
ultra
recommendation
and
also
a
new
air
conditioning
charger.
T
Air
conditioning
freon
is
constantly
changing
to
be
more
environmentally
friendly
and
when
they
come
out
with
a
new
style
freon,
it
takes
a
new
charger.
So
those
are
our
shop
equipment
requests
and
then
our
third
one
is
a
fleet
management
system
and
beth.
I
see
you
on
your
camera,
so
why
don't
you
go
ahead
and
explain
that
one.
Y
Y
B
R
Yes,
so
my
question
may
be
best
answered
by
the
city
budget
staff.
We
we
have
been
requesting
this
breakout
between
the
fuel
and
charging
stations
for
about
three
years
now,
and
this
is
the
first
time
I
think
we've
heard
why.
Well
we
don't
really
know
why
there's
an
apprehension
to
breaking
those
two
out
for
us
to
have
greater
transparency
as
to
what
direction
our
fleet
is
heading.
R
So
I
I
guess
that's
a
question
for
neil
or
amelia,
but
I
I
have
a
a
separate
question
that
for
the
for
the
team
here
so
in
the
in
the
fuel
charging
you
you
state
that
that
excel
is
go.
Is
I
guess,
you're
signing
an
agreement,
a
partnership
to
to
have
up
to
70
charging
ports,
and
my
question
is:
could
you
explain
the
difference
between
different
parts
of
the
infrastructure
and
what?
What
exactly
is
the
charging
station?
If
charging
stations
are
10
a
piece?
R
T
Sure
I'll
answer
that
question
and
then
maybe
deal
can
follow
up
on
the
other
part
of
it.
So
our
agreement
with
excel
was
something
that
we
started
working
on
several
years
ago
and
excel
in
order
to
promote
electric
vehicles
was
willing
to
work
with
some
fleets
and
provide
the
the
infrastructure.
T
If
the
the
fleet
went
in
and
provided
the
chargers,
so
xl's
part
is
to
put
in
all
the
wiring
the
wiring,
the
the
meters,
the
you
know,
the
transformers
whatever
may
be
needed
and
run
it
into
our
facility
or
out
here
a
curry
in
the
parking
lot,
then
we
have
to
put
the
chargers
chargers,
purchase
them
and
it's
install
the
chargers.
I
do
not
know
what
the
cost
of
excel's
portion
of
this
has
been.
They.
They
haven't
shared
that
with
us.
It's
it's
steep.
T
I
can
tell
you
that
this
at
curry,
here,
for
instance,
they
ran
they
put
in
a
new
poll
out
on
the
block
over
new
transformer,
ran
large
power
wires
underground
to
large
transformer
boxes.
Then
back
across
our
parking
lot
and
along
the
parking
lot
where
we
were
going
to
install
10
level,
2
level,
2
chargers.
So
a
quick
overview
of
what
a
charger
is.
You
know
electric
vehicles,
you
can
plug
them
into
the
110
in
your
wall,
but
to
get
a
full
charge
with
just
your
110
wall.
T
All
that
you're,
probably
looking
depending
how
low
it
is.
You
could
be
looking
at
up
to
a
week
to
get
a
full
charge
a
level
two
charger
is
actually
run
on
220
volts
and
you,
if
you
plug
your
vehicle
into
this,
you
can
charge
it
up
overnight,
typically,
which
is
what
most
of
our
chargers
will
be
and
again
so
there
we
have
some
of
the
parking
lot.
We
have
some
along
walls
in
various
facilities
where
there
there's
parking
and
try
and
set
it
up
so
that
two
two
cars
can
share
one
charger.
T
The
other
thing
we
we
have
here
at
curry,
going
in
which
is
takes
a
lot
more
power
than
your
typical
level.
2
chargers
is
a
dc
fast
charger,
so
a
dc
fast
charger
is
actually
a
480
volts.
It's
a
very
large
about
the
size,
refrigerator
charger
and
in
this
situation
on
a
dc
fast
charger,
a
car
can
pull
in
and
get
about
an
80
charge.
T
In
20
minutes
to
half
hour,
so
we
have
those
cases
where
somebody's
done
a
lot
of
driving
throughout
the
day
and
maybe
they're
concerned
they're
not
going
to
get
through
the
whole
day
on
their
on
their
current
charge.
They
can
pull
in
here
plug
into
that
get
a
quick
charge
to
get
them
through
the
day
and
in
the
winter
time
is
when
we
expect
to
see
more
use.
Of
that.
You
know
it's
we're
still
not
sure
how
much
effect
winter
is
going
to
have
on
many
of
our
vehicles.
T
We
do
know
that
the
colder
it
is
the
less
your
range
is
on
a
charge.
You
know
we
have
a
lot
of
chevy,
bolts
and
and
they're
good
for
over
200
miles
if
you're
in
70
degree
weather
so
you're,
not
really
running
heat
or
air
conditioning
you'll
go,
you
know
230
miles
about,
but
when
you
get
into
a
very
cold
and
you're
heating,
the
vehicle
with
that
electricity
or
it's
hot
and
you're
running
the
air
conditioner
that
that
range
drops.
T
T
The
other
chargers
that
we're
installing
as
part
of
the
excel
agreement
have
to
be
smart
chargers,
so
they
provide
us
a
lot
of
information
they
charge
only
during
off-peak,
and
that
was
a
requirement
in
order
for
excel
to
put
the
infrastructure
in
so
chargers
do
range,
anywheres
from
about
a
very
basic
charger,
which
we
have
several
of
them
as
well,
that
we
haven't
worked
with
excel
on
for
just
the
charger
itself
about
800
but,
like
I
say,
there's
a
lot
of
other
expenses
and
wiring
conduit
bollards.
T
R
Yeah
it
it
does,
and
presumably
you
you're,
including
the
fire
fire
stations
and
police
stations
in
your
plans.
We
will
be.
Q
T
J
U
Yeah,
I
can
talk
about
that.
I've
been
trying
to
remember
what
our
conversation
was,
but
I
think
so
when-
and
this
is
the
first
time
we
really
inserted
ourselves
into
this
conversation.
Given
all
the
the
I
know,
the
questions
that
click
has
and
the
formal
comments
that
have
been
left.
U
But
if
we,
when
we
change
the
actual
proposal
like
if
we
were
to
make
this
into
two,
we
lose
a
bit
of
that
tracking
ability
to
go
back
and
say
what
was
this
because
there'll
be
two
new
programs,
and
so
in
our
financial
system
we
kind
of
lose
that
easy
way
to
track
the
historical
spending
on
this
thing.
So
that
was
a
cost.
U
I
also
just
want
to
acknowledge,
as
we
move
forward
to
adding
more
electronic
vehicles,
that
some
amount
of
flexibility
is
probably
a
good
thing,
as
we
sort
of
figure
out
the
right
vehicles
that
are
are
good
to
get
in
the
electric
format
and
which
ones
need
to
stay
not
that
way.
So
those
are
two
advantages
of
keeping
it
in
the
same
proposal.
I
think
what
we
tried
to
do
this
year
and
what
we
can
certainly
follow
up
with
more
information
on
is
what
of
the
bucket
amount.
U
How
much
is
for
fuel
for
fixing
the
fuel
islands
that
need
maintenance
work
and
how
much
is
for
the
green,
green
fleet,
information
and
another
thing
that
we've
tried
to
make
sure
is
clearer
in
the
cbr
is
what
is
the
future
of
electrifying?
The
fleet
look
like
and
what
what's
a
a
budget
proposal
that
will
illustrate
that.
U
So
that's
what
we
have
this
year,
trying
to
increase
the
information
available
to
you
about
how
much
is
for
each
purpose,
but
we
felt
like
there
were
some
advantages
to
keeping
it
together
this
year,
just
as
fleet
at
this
point
in
our
movement
to
electrifying
the
fleet.
This
is
my
memory
of
trying
to
look
it
up.
Look
through
my
notes
from
when
we
discussed
setting
up
the
budget
this
year,
but
happy
to
continue
this
discussion
with
al
and
with
all
of
you
as
we
move
forward,
we
did.
T
J
Yeah,
I
I
I
understand
what
you're
saying
about
losing
some
history.
I
can
just
tell
you
in
the
past,
we've
had
this
issue
not
frequently,
but
every
now
and
then
with
a
paving
project
or
something
or
I
think
actually
has
happened
on
traffic
projects
where
we've
asked
things
to
be
broken
out
and,
of
course,
there's
always
pros
and
cons
to
certain
things.
J
Well,
actually,
it's
two
things
to
see
the
the
financial
part
of
this
separately,
but
also
for
us
to
have
the
ability
to
rate
them
separately
if
we
think
that
what
they
want
to
do
on
fueling
stuff
makes
no
sense,
but
we
love
what
they're
doing
on
electric
charging.
We
have
no
way
to
do
that
right
now
when
they're
two
products
when
they're
all
bumped
into
one
project.
J
So
I
think
it's
important
that
these
two
get
separated
out
and
I
I
think
we
probably
don't
want
to
take
any
more
time
up
now
about
this,
but
it's
a
discussion.
We
definitely
should
have.
B
B
Are
running
out
of
time
now
we
need
to
break
up
breakout
rooms
and
we
have
short
time
so
it's
real
short
make.
It
short.
You
can
go.
T
Just
quick
in
our
presentation,
we
did
have
it
broken
down,
but
I
don't
think
it
was
showed
in
our
in
our
actual
cbr
we're
looking
at
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
to
improve
this
fuel
one
fuel
island
next
year
and
that's
all
we
have
for
fueling
there.
It's
over
three
million
requested
for
ev
charging
stations
to
give
you
an
idea
there
and,
as
amelia
said,
we're
looking
and
going
electrical
we
can.
But
we
just
know
we
can't
go
electric
everywhere
right
now,
so
we
have
to
continue
to
provide
these
fueling
services
in
an
environmentally
responsible
way.
G
Yes,
thanks
care
willie.
My
question
maybe
should
have
been
earlier,
but
I'm
just
looking
for
offline
information
on
the
efficacy
and
utilization
of
the
charging
stations,
and
so
as
a
person
who
had
been
trying
to
move
to
an
all-hybrid
family
for
vehicles,
circa,
2008
and
typically
being
a
user
of
mini
minneapolis
municipal
parking
until
I
retired
at
the
end
of
march
that
you
know,
anecdotal
information
seemed
like
there
was
less
than
perfect
utilization
of
the
facilities
that
are
very
costly.
T
Okay,
so
yeah
there
is
so
the
traffic
group
there.
They
definitely
part
provide
the
charging
stations
for
the
the
public
use.
So
it
is
a
separate
project
from
ours
and
we
do
track
our
fleet
utilization.
We
have
not
increased
our
electric
fleet
yet
enough
to
the
point
where
we've
really
done
a
lot
of
studying
on
our
electric
vehicle
utilization,
which
we
will
be
heading
towards
here
soon
and
and
we
need
to
report
to
excel
on
that
utilization
and
amount
of
electricity
we're
using
as
well.
S
Comment
there
appears
to
be
a
company
that
creates
electric
fire
trucks
in
minnesota.
Curious
if
you've
tracked
that.
T
Yep,
so
I
believe
you're
talking
about
rosenbauer
up
at
wyoming,
it's
interesting.
You
bring
that
up.
I
myself
chief
tyner
assistant
chief
van
vickel,
sean
olson,
also
at
the
fire
department,
and
also
margaret
keller,
kelleher
anderson
and
brian
dodds,
so
margaret's,
the
director
of
public
works
and
brian's,
the
deputy
director.
We
were
up
at
rosenbauer.
T
T
There's
a
very
large
fire
department
shelf
that
in
in
indianapolis
every
year
we
were
trying
to
get
up
there
to
see
this
electric
truck.
That
is
going
into
service
in
l.a.
They
were
not
able
to
schedule
a
time
for
us.
There's
been
some
issues.
They've
got
to
get
this
truck
ready
for
this
big
fire
department.
Fire
show
and
unfortunately,
we
weren't
able
to
get
up
there
to
see
this
newest
production
version.
But
yes,
we
have
looked
at
it.
T
B
If
you
get
disconnected
please
rejoin
the
main
meeting
and
staff
will
get
you
to
get
you
to
the
correct
breakout
room.
Are
there
any
questions
anything
left
from
the
members
and
the
staff
before
we
call
this
meeting
tune
in.
C
Just
just
to
let
everyone
know
that
the
human
development
task
force
has
a
hard
stop
at
2
p.m,
though
just
fyi.
B
B
A
J
J
C
J
All
right
kitty,
I
just
have
to
say
that
light
above
your
head
a
minute
ago,
it
looked
like
a
little
thought
bubble
with
just
a
dash
in
it.
J
J
J
So
so
everybody's
familiar
with
this
process,
so
I
was
what
I
traditionally
do
the
first
time
we
do
this
is
I
go
slow
for
a
couple
of
them
so
that
people
that
are
new
sort
of
catch
on
to
what
we're
doing
before
we've
got
it
all
done,
but
if
there's
nobody
here
who's
new,
I
don't
see
any
reason
to
do
that.
If
that's
okay
with
everybody
else,
so
we
can
just
get
this
done
as
quickly
as
possible.
J
Okay,
I'm
going
to
propose
a
couple
of
things.
I'm
going
to
propose
that
we
skip
let's
start
with
traffic.
I
think
we
should
skip
traffic
10
and
traffic
22
because
we
didn't
have
the
data
there.
The
other
side
of
that
argument
is
we've
seen
these
many
times
and
we
could
go
what
we've
done
in
the
past
and
I'm
okay
with
that
too.
J
J
S
J
Okay,
so
I
think
we
should
skip
pko4
because
I
think
we're
going
to
get
substantially.
Hopefully
we're
going
to
get
some
more,
some
significantly
more
substantive
information
than
we've
had
in
the
past,
but
for
the
rest
of
the
traffic
we'll
do
them
with
the
understanding
that
if
anybody
wants
to
come
back
to
10
and
22
those
can
be
reopened
once
we
get
the
full
cbr
populated
all
right.
So
with
that
again,
as
I
do
every
year,
I'm
going
to
start
with
what
the
rating
was
last
year.
There's
nothing
sacred
about
it.
J
It's
simply
a
place
to
start.
If
somebody
has
a
view
has
changed
or
there's
new
information,
you
know
we
can.
We
can
revisit
them,
I'm
also
going
to
do
a
whole
bunch
of
these
at
one
time.
So
the
first
thing
is
to
give
you
a
minute
to
just
review
the
ones
that
we're
doing
and
if
anybody
wants
to
break
one
out
for
more
discussion,
we'll
give
a
minute
for
that
to
occur.
J
E
W
J
C
Sorry,
I'm
trying
to
get
people
places
too
yep.
That's.
J
So
we
have
the
same
issue
with
water
12..
That's
I
think
what
we'll
do
is
the
same
thing
we
just
did
with
traffic,
we'll
rate
water
12.
Now,
with
the
understanding
that
once
we
get
access
to
that
cbr,
if
anybody
would
like
to
revisit
it,
we
can
do
that.
J
J
Perfect,
so
water,
12,
significant
and
strong.
Is
there
any
discussion
on
this
one.
J
S
J
Okay,
so
no
is
there
any
further
discussion
on
this
right
again.
If
there's
anybody
opposed
to
this,
please
use
the
raise
your
hand,
feature.
J
All
right,
let's
take
water,
27
and
water
29
together.
Those
are
both
rated
significant
and
strong
over
motion.
M
Very
good,
I'm
just
looking
at
the
last
couple
that
I've
gone
through
on
level
of
need
and
what
they're
saying
is
significant
and
you
are
saying
critical,
strong
and
I
apologize.
I
had
to
step
out
for
a
bit,
but
my
understanding
is
critical
as
critical
and
significant
are
two
different
things
and
I'm
not
sure
where
strong
ties
into
this
at
all.
Unless
that
was
something
used
in
the
past.
A
W
J
J
C
Section
would
you
like
me
to
focus
on.
J
Yeah,
it's
aged
from
40
to
90
plus
years
I
mean
to
be
fair
dan.
I
think
you
raise
up.
You
know
we
are
making
some
implicit
assumptions
here
that
it's
possible
they're,
not
the
fact
that
this
is
not
that
they're
backups
to
this
or
that
we
haven't
fully
explored
that,
but
it
I
my
recollection
from
previous
years
is
that
this
struck
us
as
something
that,
if,
if,
if
they
don't
get
this
fixed
and
there's
a
problem,
it's
it
has
a
potential
to
be
a
critical
problem,
not
a
significant
problem.
J
J
Right,
there's
only
been
there
was
one
other
that
was
critical
right.
S
J
J
J
J
S
So
I
think
I
can
give
some
of
the
rationale
around
the
moderate
piece
in
terms
of
city
goals
is
it's
you
know
having
softened
water
is
a
nice
to
have,
and
so
it
it's
not.
You
know
it's
not
as
crucial
and
therefore
that's
we
were
also
trying
to.
I
think
class
should
create
a
little
bit
more
gradation
between
the
projects.
K
J
All
right
we've
got
four
to
do
here
that
are
new
this
year,
the
first
one
probably
this
would
be
good
if
you
pulled
these
up
neil
starting
with
water
34.,
so
water
34
is
the
fridley
facilities
and
campus
improvements
as
soon
as
neil
gets
that
one
up.
Maybe
we
give
a
chance
to
take
a
look
at
it
and
then,
after
a
minute,
to
take
a
look
at
it
I'll
entertain
a
motion
from
whoever
would
like
to
make
one.
C
Project
description,
develop
and
implement
a
master
plan
for
wise
use
of
the
fridley
campus
of
the
water
division
related
to
personal
workspaces,
equipment,
storage,
materials,
warehousing
and
maintenance
shops
to
more
efficiently
run.
The
business
of
the
utility
expected
projects
include
renovations
of
interior
spaces,
two
to
five
new
buildings,
improved
roadways,
storm
water
management
and
green
infrastructure.
C
I
can
I
can
talk
through
the
purpose
and
justification
too.
The
fridley
campus
of
the
water
division
was
developed
beginning
in
1925.
The
age
of
the
buildings
has
generated
some
concerns
and
inefficiencies
for
the
operation
of
the
utility
most
of
the
office
spaces
are
not
compliant
with
the
americans
with
disabilities
act.
The
final
plans
for
the
expanded
hiawatha
facility,
water
18,
where
our
distribution
and
meter
operations
will
be
really
real
relocated,
has
limited
space
for
weather,
protected
storage
for
their
maintenance
and
construction
materials.
C
This
storage
needs
to
be
provided
freely,
in
addition
to
the
storage
of
materials
and
equipment
used
to
maintain
and
operate
the
treatment
facilities,
secure
security
improvements
are
included
in
the
freely
campus
program
through
both
updated
and
expanded
physical
security
equipment
for
access
control
and
surveillance
and
more
secure,
visitor
delivery,
traffic
routes
and
meeting
spaces
maintenance
activities
require
modernized
spaces
for
safe
and
efficient
work.
For
example,
we
perform
painting
and
coating
of
many
of
the
specialized
fittings
and
equipment
used
in
our
utility.
C
S
A
S
So
I
can
speak
to
my
motion,
one
they
have,
they
say.
The
level
of
need
is
desirable.
S
J
So
I'll
share
a
mild
concern
about
this.
I
think
it's
easy,
and
I
include
myself
in
this
to
rate
projects
like
this
lower,
because
it's
it's
you
know
where
people
are
sitting
no
big
deal.
You
know,
I
think,
maybe
sometimes
it's
good
to
think
about
it.
J
If
you
were
sitting
wherever
those
people
are
sitting
and
what
it
would
be
like,
and
you
know
if
we
don't,
we
don't
have
enough
information
to
know
some
of
the
stuff
right,
how
bad
it
is
and
like
that
paint
facility
are
people
who
smelling
paint
fumes,
who
shouldn't
be
smelling,
paint
fumes,
they're,
not
very
specific,
but
you
know
I
think
it's
worth
considering
that
kind
of
thing
and
case
point's
fair.
I
think
the
flip
of
that
you
know
it's
in
terms
of
long
range
planning
and
master
planning
is
they're
asking
for
it.
J
J
You
know
when
something
gets
a
desirable
rating
if
people
stick
to
that,
I
think
the
odds
are
something
like
this
doesn't
get
funded
right.
That's
going
to
be
enough
of
a
penalty
on
points
that
it
probably
falls
out
of
roughly
the
third,
which
is
roughly
what
gets
funded,
and
I
would
argue
maybe
this
is
what
katie's
getting
after
is
you
know?
I
doesn't
throw
me
that
they're
asking
for
money
two
years
out,
they
should
be
asking
money
for
six
years
out
or
at
least
five
years
out,
but
you
know
we
can
adjust
that
right.
J
S
C
Project
description,
this
program
originally
intended
to
design
and
install
over
a
variety
of
renewable
energy
sources
to
supply
power
to
the
water
treatment
and
pumping
systems
in
the
water
division.
The
installations
would
be
owned
and
operated
by
the
city.
Design
was
completed
on
the
first
project
to
construct
a
photovoltaic
solar
energy
system
at
the
columbia
heights
campus
upon
receiving
cost
proposals
for
the
system.
The
capital
cost
of
the
system
would
not
be
offset
by
electrical
cost
savings,
and
the
project
would
adversely
impact
the
water
enterprise
fund
in
partnership
with
the
property
services
division.
C
The
water
division
is
pursuing
a
power
purchase
agreement
for
the
installation
under
a
current
city
agreement
with
a
solar
developer.
Future
projects
will
evaluate
more
solar
installations
at
the
water
division's
treatment
campuses
in
columbia.
Heights
in
fridley
work
will
also
consider
opportunities
to
develop
wind
or
small
scale
hydroelectric
sources.
Each
project
will
require
a
financial
review
to
assess
the
payback
and
the
amount
of
upfront
capital
capital
debt
that
should
be
issued
if
the
payback
for
projects
adversely
impact
the
enterprise,
funds,
grants
or
other
means
of
offsetting
capital
costs
will
be
necessary.
C
And
for
funding
in
2024
it's
for
five
hundred
thousand
25.
It's
for
four
million
26
is
for
650
000.
J
J
X
I
just
want
a
name,
I
think
they
ranked
it
as
important,
not
significant,
but
I
also
think
it
it's
it's
important
to
for
the
city
to
like
eat
its
own
dog
food
here
on
this
kind
of
on
using
renewable
energy
so
that
they
kind
of
went
at
it,
assessed
it
and
said.
Oh
that
way,
it's
not
gonna
work
and
went
back
and
found
another
way.
I
think
it's
important,
so
I'm
supportive
of
significant
job.
J
Yeah-
and
I
thank
you
for
pointing
that
out-
I
think
that's
important
to
note
that
and,
as
most
of
you
all
know,
that's
just
one
input
that
we
take
and
not
only
do
they
only
made
it
important,
but
they
are
ranked
at
10
of
11..
You
know
that
that's
just
information
for
us
to
have
and
I'd
be
careful
about
reading
too
much
into
the
their
rating
of
important.
J
S
J
J
C
Thank
you,
so
water
36
southwest
pump
station
replacement
project
description
replace
an
existing
pump
station
with
one
providing
adequate
water
pressure
to
elevated
areas
in
the
southwest
portion
of
the
city.
The
existing
pump
station
was
built
as
an
interim
facility
in
the
1960s
as
a
part
of
a
long-term
plan
of
adding
a
large
volume
water
storage
reservoir
at
the
far
end
of
the
water
distribution
system.
C
Since
that
time,
the
operating
philosophy
evolved
and
more
reservoirs
were
built
at
a
high
ground
elevation
which
remain
effective
during
pumping
outages
eg
in
event
of
power
failures,
a
small
pump
station
is
still
needed
to
serve
the
southwestern
zone
of
the
city.
The
project
also
includes
pipe
and
valve
replacements,
repairs
and
modifications
on
the
distribution
system,
at
the
boundaries
of
the
pressure
zone
and
then
for
dollar
amounts
for
water,
36
and
they're,
asking
for
in
2023
750
000
2024,
8.25
million
in
2025
1
million
and
then
and
26
27
28,
zero
dollars.
J
S
I
would
put
forward
important,
moderate
sorry,
important
strong.
I
think
it
meets
our
the
city
goals.
The
reason
I
would
put
them
important
because
it
does
the
need
doesn't
seem
to
be
immediate
and
just
given
the
ask
for
funding
earlier
on
in
earlier
years,
yeah
we'd
like
to
see
that
in
out
years,
but
I
think
in
some
ways
it
may
be
a
wash
if
it's
or
if
it's
just
water
bonds,
because
they
seem
to
have
already
done
the
math
and
that
doesn't
get.
J
Thank
you,
jeff
yeah,
okay,
okay,
I'm
in
here
too,
I'm
a
little
concerned
about
going
important.
With
this
I
mean
you
have
a
fair
point,
but
again
same
thing.
What
really
caught
my
attention
in
the
presentations
on
this
is
they're,
going
on
ebay
to
find
parts
right
if
they
go
on
ebay
and
can't
find
it
and-
and
somebody
has
no
water
pressure-
this
is
higher
than
important
right.
You
need
to
have
water
pressure,
whether
it's
for
firefighting
or
for
chocolate
or
whatever
it
is.
J
And
again
I
don't
like
that
they're
asking
for
funding
in
these
early
years,
but
we
have
another
place
where
they
get
dinged
for
that
right,
that's
under
consecutive
years
and
previous
there's
a
category
for
that
and
they're
not
going
to
get
any
any
points
on
that
which
is
meaningful.
That's
35
points
that
you
know,
potentially.
If
it
came
in
six
years
out
and
came
through
the
way
it
ought
to
come
through
so
and
again,
we
can
also
adjust
when
we
give
them
the
funding.
If
we
want
and
say
yeah,
okay,
so.
S
X
Agreed
on
the
ebay
part
and
also
just
want
to
add,
I
think,
taking
the
opportunity
to
right
size.
The
station
also
has
longer
term
just
like
costs
and
energy
usage
implications
as
well.
So
that's
a
good
thing.
J
All
right
again,
if
anybody's
opposed
to
this
motion,
use
the
raise
your
hand
feature.
J
C
C
The
geographic
area
referred
to
as
the
northeast
high
service
area
is
so
defined,
based
on
the
relatively
high
elevation
relative
to
the
surrounding
areas
of
the
city.
This
elevation
necessitates
booster
pumping
to
maintain
adequate
pressure
in
this
area
and
for
cos
water,
37
they're,
asking
for
a
million
in
2023
4
million
in
2024
and
25
through
28.
They
don't
have
any
identified.
J
J
J
So
we're
going
to
come,
we're
going
to
circle
back
on
pk04
once
we
get,
hopefully
better
information
from
public
works
and
we're
going
to
have
I'd,
say
sorry,
I'm
not
being
very
articulate
here,
take
a
look
at
the
schedule
on
whatever
day
we
do
paving,
I
think,
to
the
extent
you
can
plan
on
being
well
past
two
o'clock,
there's
something
like
40
paving
projects.
It's
not
reasonable
to
expect
that
we'll
be
able
to
stop
that
two-hour
meeting
early
enough
to
get
all
of
the
work
we
have
to
do
completed
inside
that
window.
J
J
J
J
The
trick
to
doing
that
is,
we've
got
to
find
a
time
that
I
don't
want
anybody
to
feel
excluded.
They
can't
make
a
meeting
wasn't
already
on
the
schedule.
I
don't
know
how
to
help
facilitate
that.
As
I
understand
it,
we
don't
have
any
issues
around
open
meeting
laws
with
this
part
of
the
task
force
meeting.
So
that
part
shouldn't
matter.
J
C
Yeah,
as
far
as
I
mean,
and
I
think
especially
when
we
go
back
yeah,
I
don't
know-
I
mean
I
think
you
can
split
off.
We
just
like
have
identified
separate
task
force
meetings
that,
like
have
to
go
on
the
calendar
as
task
force
meetings
when
you're
working
on
comments,
but
I
think
you
can
split
off
from
like
the
main
group
and
do
like
your
task
force
work.
J
So
let
me
do
this:
I'm
going
to
take
a
look
at
the
calendar
and
maybe
I'll
send
out
a
new
I'll
talk
to
staff
and
send
out
an
email
to
the
to
all
of
you
guys
and
we'll
see
if
we
can't
figure
out
something
that
gets
unanimous
approval,
I'm
not
sure
I'm
comfortable
doing
it
without
unanimous
approval,
unless
whoever
can't
do
it
signs
off
on
it.
Because
again,
I
don't
want
to
change
the
schedule
this
late
in
the
game
and
have
someone
not
be
able
to
participate.
G
I
just
want
to
say
that
I
think
this
group's
been
very
efficient
in
terms
of
clustering,
somewhat
like
projects
and
moving
efficiently.
Not
not
you
know
without
thoughtfulness,
but
I'm
happy
to
spend
that
time
on
friday,
virtually
and
in
between
times
today.
I've
been
doing
my
steps
around
my
my
living
room
kitchen
listening
to
this
meeting,
so
I
can't
say
that
I'm,
under
the
circumstances
of
just
getting
readjusted,
to
walking
looking
hugely
forward
to
in-person
meetings
as
much
as
I
have
always
been
an
in-person
meeting
type
of
guy.
G
But
we
we
always
the
point.
I
guess
is
that
we've
been
very
efficient
in
time
in
terms
of
these
large
groups
of
projects
and
especially
when
the
task
force
chairs
look
at
what
was
done
last
year,
we're
not
bound
by
last
year,
of
course,
but
we
seem
to
have
the
capacity
to
move
pretty
efficiently
through
the
rating.
J
G
J
J
Let's
see
what
how
much
we
can
get
done
on
friday
and
in
the
meantime,
I'm
gonna
talk
to
staff
and
figure
out
where
we
could
tack
on
to
another
meeting.
We
already
have
and
I'm
additionally
going
to
talk
to
jeff,
because
jeff
is
clearly
somebody
who
might
be
impacted
by
this
if
he
can
make
it
downtown
and
if
we
can
get
all
that
resolved,
then
we'll
maybe
we'll
have
a
way
forward
with
this
that
avoids
us
having
like
a
full
hour
and
a
half
after
the
already
four
or
five
hour
meeting
on
a
friday.
J
J
C
Next
wednesday
is
municipal
building,
commission
and
public
grounds
facilities,
okay,.
J
All
right
anybody
have
anything
else
they
want
to
share
either
on
what
we've
been
talking
about
or
anything
any
other
concerns.