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B
Good
afternoon
my
name
is
barry
clegg
and,
along
with
commissioner
jan
sandberg,
I'm
one
of
the
co-chairs
of
the
charter
commission's
even
year
elections.
Work
group
welcome
to
this
meeting
of
this
virtual
meeting.
This
meeting
includes
the
remote
participation
of
members
as
authorized
under
minnesota
statutes,
section
13
d
.021
due
to
the
declared
local
health
pandemic.
B
The
city
will
be
recording
and
posting
this
meeting
to
the
city's
website
and
youtube
channel
as
a
means
of
increasing
public
access
and
transparency.
This
meeting
is
public
and
subject
to
the
minnesota
open
meeting.
Long
I'll
now
call
this
meeting
to
order
and
ask
the
clerk
to
call
the
rules
so
that
we
may
verify
the
presence
of
a
quorum.
C
B
B
B
C
D
B
B
That
motion
passes
and
we
have
an
agenda
next-
is
the
chairs
report.
The
first
item
on
my
report
is
to
appoint
commissioner
hawkins
to
this
work
group
at
her
request,
so
welcome
commissioner
hawkins
and
we'll
ratify
that
appointment
at
our
next
regular
charter
commission
meeting.
B
At
the
time
we
were
told.
Well,
you
can't
do
that
because
you
can't
have
more
than
one
a
one-page
ballot
and
it's
impossible
to
do
a
ranked
choice,
voting
election
and
a
conventional
election
on
the
same
ballot.
So
we
put
it
on
the
shelf
and
then
hennepin
county
did
one.
B
The
2020
primary
election
for
the
state
was
at
the
same
time
as
the
special
election
for
the
city
in
which
council
member
osman
was
elected,
so
it
is
possible,
after
all,
so
we're
back
today
to
take
another
look
at
it
and
there's
really
two
threshold
questions
to
this
analysis.
In
my
view,
question
number
one
is:
is
it
legal?
Can
we
do
it
and
question
number
two
is:
do
the
policy
reasons
favor
doing
it,
assuming
we
can
do
it?
B
Obviously,
we've
got
to
answer
question
number
one
before
we
get
to
question
number
two,
although
I
think
we
can
go
down
both
tracks
at
the
same
time,
I
also
want
to
give
before
we
get
to
the
end.
Everybody
their
homework
for
the
next
meeting
for
commissioners,
go
to
the
lims
file
from
2017
and
look
at
the
documents
in
that
file.
There
were
several
scholarly
articles
on
the
wisdom
of
changing
from
odd
year
to
even
year,
elections
and
an
opinion
written
by
city
attorney,
carol,
bushoon
carol.
B
Your
homework
is
to
go
back
and
look
at
your
own
opinion
from
2017
and
take
another
look
at
it
and
see
if
it
needs
a
refresh,
and
I
would
also
like
staff
to
think
about
how
we
might
reach
out
and
engage
with
hennepin
county
and
the
secretary
of
state
again
to
get
to
the
answer
to
number
one.
Is
there
a
way
we
can
do
this.
B
So
I'll
proceed
to
item
number
four
on
the
agenda,
which
is
hearing
a
staff
presentation
from
the
minnesota
minneapolis
elections
division.
I
understand
we're
going
to
hear
from
ray
dean,
jeff,
narabrook
and
aaron
grossman.
I
know
tim
schwartz
is
here
too.
I
don't
know
if
he's
part
of
the
presentation
or
not,
why
don't
you
guys
introduce
yourselves
and
take
it
away.
G
Good
afternoon
working
group,
I'm
aaron
grossman
also
an
election
administrator
with
minneapolis.
Thanks
for
having
us.
F
And
I
know
we
have
tim
schwartz
on
the
line
and
john
martin
and
I
think
karen
shiel
a
couple
other
team
members.
As
things
stand
now,
ray's
gonna
lead
the
discussion
and
then
aaron
and
I
will
jump
in
as
needed.
E
Thank
you,
gentlemen,
and
thank
you,
co-chair
clerk
and
co-chair
sandberg
happy
to
present
to
you
today
some
of
the
issues
on
even
your
elections
that
we've
come
up
with
and
as
mentioned,
we
have
several
of
other
individuals
associated
with
elections
and
voter
services.
That
should
be
able
to
answer
most
of
your
questions.
I'm
not
so
sure
we'll
have
answers
to
100
percent,
but
we'll
do
our
best
we're
going
to
be
presenting
on
the
issues
for
consideration
of
moving
out
the
current
municipal
elections
from
off
years
to
an
even
year
election
cycle.
E
We'll
then
present
sort
of
on
previous
voter
turnout
and
what
might
actually
an
actual
shift
might
look
like
and
conclude
with
the
next
steps
that
also
look
at
a
timeline.
Should
amendment
change
be
proposed
for
2022
ballot
and
of
course,
if
you
guys
have
any
questions,
you
should
feel
free
to
ask
me
during
the
presentation
or
if
you'd
like
just
hold
your
questions
to
the
end
and
we'll
do
our
best.
So
the
first
slide
talks
about
sort
of
the
charter
commission's
role
and
this
working
group.
E
Ultimately,
there
would
be
the
presentation
to
the
city
council
should
this
move
forward
and
they
would
approve
the
ballot
language
should
be
placed
on
the
november
ballot.
Then
the
mayor
would
have
the
option
to
accept
or
veto
the
proposed
language,
and
then
the
voters
role
would
be
to
approve
with
a
51
percent.
Yes,
votes
on
all
those
who
voted
on
the
question,
and
then
it
would
be
up
to
elections
and
voters
services
sort
of
to
create
what
that
implementation.
E
E
There's
possibility
of
authorization
for
the
secretary
of
state
for
experimental
use,
and
some
of
the
other
concerns
would
be
ada
ballot
difficulties
that
might
come
into
play
and
the
changes
in
state
law
right
now
would
be
fairly
difficult.
Given
the
current
political
landscape
at
the
capitol,
and
should
we
move
forward
in
the
current
state
of
law?
Of
course,
we
will
need
to
defend
or
survive
any
legal
challenges
that
are
likely
to
be
filed
next
question.
E
B
A
little
bit
about
the
possibility
of
authorization
for
from
the
secretary
of
state
for
experimental
use.
E
There's
a
provision
within
state
statute
that
allows
the
secretary
of
state
to
do
things
around
elections
for
experimental
use.
Of
course,
I'm
not
a
hundred
percent
sure
that
he
could,
you
know,
put
forward
what
we
are
proposing
or
what
we
might
propose
as
an
experimental
use,
but
there
is
provision
within
state
statute
that
allows
that.
E
Yep
and
next
slide
other
implications
shifting
to
even
years
there's
some
logistic
considerations.
Of
course,
as
I've
mentioned
the
size
of
the
ballot,
the
questions
of
using
multiple
page
ballots
and
those
are
would
then
be
tied
to
the
office
order
listings
on
the
ballot.
E
E
There's
some
personnel
impacts
that
might
arise,
and
that
would
be
staff
retention
with
no
off-year
election
and
issues
related
to
election
judge
and
student
election
judges
be
participating
in
our
elections
as
well
next
ballot,
our
next
slide,
technologically
we're
currently
unable
to
mix
a
column
ballot
with
the
grid
ballot.
So
that's
the
difference
between
standard
sort
of
election
ballot
and
grid
style
ballot
being
rank
choice
in
the
event
that
we
might
have
four
or
five
different
ring
choice,
races
on
a
single
ballot.
E
There
are
limitations
of
using
the
optical
scan
voting
system
in
which
state
law
currently
says
you
can
only
use
one
ballot.
There
would
be
issues
around
usb
storage
of
the
data,
as
mentioned,
the
stat
regulation
on
ballot
size
won't
really
allow
for
a
larger
ballot
and
then,
of
course,
the
reconciliation
that
takes
place.
Wouldn't
it
not
be
possible
if
voters
did
not
submit
the
second
card
to
be
tabulated,
there's
other.
E
Mailing
costs
due
to
increased
weight
rate
weight,
a
large
number
of
absentee
ballots
in
even
your
election,
whereas
currently
we
have
sort
of
x
number
of
absentee
ballots
that
get
requested
during
a
an
odd
year
election
that
that
number
would
increase
incredibly
drastically
in
an
evening
year
election,
and
that
would
also
then
have
to
include
more
complicated
instructions
and
likelihood
of
mistakes
on
absentee
ballots.
E
Next
question:
our
next
slide:
voter
drop
off
for
down
ballot
races
could
range
from
five
to
25
percent
and
there's
lots
of
different
there's
lots
of
different
evidences
of
happening
in
different
types
of
races
on
election
ballots
in
presidential
versus
midterm
year
elections,
the
cvr
on
election
night
would
be
delayed
and
for
reporting,
impossible
delays
and
results
for
municipal
elections
and
again
the
two
ballot
cards
are
likely
to
cause
some
level
of
confusion
for
voters.
E
There
would
be
likely
shortage
of
campaign
staff
for
local
races,
giving
that
these
races
would
occur
at
the
same
time
as
our
statewide
and
our
national
elections
would
be
taking
place,
and
then
you
couple
that
with
less
donor
dollars,
making
it
into
municipal
races
given
that
and
possible
increase
in
campaign
expenses
because
of
demands
of
all
the
elections.
E
E
You'll
see
it
in
the
graph
and
we've
seen
a
sort
of
a
pretty
standard
increase
in
municipal
elections
over
the
past
several
elections
and
presidential
years
don't
have
a
lot
of
variation
and
in
2018
in
a
midterm
election
we
saw
a
significant
turnout,
whereas
the
previous
two
midterms
were,
you
know
just
over
55
next
slide
and
here's
what
the
timelines
for
shifting
to
our
elections
to
coincide
with
even
your
elections.
E
If
we
shift
to
presidential
election
terms
doing
both
the
city,
council
and
the
mayor
at
the
same
time,
we
could
make
a
shift
a
three-year
term
to
align
with
the
even
year
elections,
or
we
could
do
a
five-year
term
that
would
then
align
with
a
mid-term
election.
State
law
allows
us
to
move
one
year
either
way
in
regards
to
that
and
you'll
notice.
When
you
look
at
the
council,
we
have
the
two-year
terms
that
would
focus
around
redistricting.
E
That
would
take
place
next
slide
and
then
this
slide
is
actually
a
shift
of
city,
council
and
mayor
elections
so
that
they
don't
coincide.
They
were
alternate
and
again
looking
at
the
shifting
of
the
council
during
presidential
years
in
the
mayor
during
midterms,
and
then
the
council
during
midterms
in
the
mayor
during
presidential
next
slide.
E
So
the
the
next
steps
would
have
the
working
group
recommendations
to
the
full
charge
commission
by
may
4th,
so
that
with
the
goals
being
able
to
meet
the
requirements
and
notify
voters
of
possible
shift
to
appear
on
that
nova
november
ballot,
the
charter
commission
would
then
require
public
hearing
on
the
proposed
charter
change
on
june.
1St
and
then
the
charter
commission
consideration
regarding
moving
forward
or
shelfing.
The
consideration
at
the
time
would
have
to
take
place
on
july,
13th
that
date
to
recommend
the
charter.
B
F
B
First,
how
did
they
do
it?
When
council
member
osman
was
elected
in
a
special
election
that
coincided
with
a
state
primary.
E
F
Yes,
that's
correct
and
I
I
I
have.
We
asked
hennepin
county
to
mock
up
some
ballots,
so
you
could
see
some
visuals
ranked
choice.
Voting
races,
take
up
a
very
large
amount
of
real
estate
and
ray
is
right
that
it
was.
If
you
have
one
race,
you
can
probably
fit
it
on
an
even
year
ballot
and
if
you
have
the
full
slate
you
wouldn't.
B
There
are
other
states
now
that
have
rank
choice.
Voting
in
many
municipalities
that
do
I,
as
do
you,
have
any
knowledge
as
to
how
they
conduct
those
races.
Do
they
use
two
separate
pages
for
their
ballot.
G
Jeff,
yes,
I
can
jump
in
here
thanks
coach
here
clegg,
we
did
look
at
some
other
cities.
You
know
most
cities
that
are
doing
ranked
choice.
Voting
at
this
point
are
in
the
odd
years,
but
there
are
a
few
like.
G
I
believe,
oakland
is
in
even
years
and
yes,
they
they
generally
would
have
multiple
ballot
cards
in
other
states,
where
it's
more
regular
and
allowed
to
your
question
and
as
far
as
I
know,
there
isn't
I'm
not
sure
how
it
looks
in
the
state
where
it's
mixing
both
the
prank
choice,
elections
and
more
conventional
elections.
Of
course
we
have
the
one
example
like
you've
mentioned,
of
2020
for
us.
B
Isn't
isn't
maine,
for
example,
ranked
choice
statewide.
G
G
Right
so
both
maine
and
now
alaska
have
rate
choice
at
the
state
level
for
kind
of
in
a
different
format.
The
way
that
they've
gone
about
it
is
a
little
bit
different
and
then
I
think,
the
number
of
races
it
would
be
good
to
look
at
exactly
how
they're
doing
it.
B
And
one
more
for
me
and
that
is,
can
can
somebody
in
the
election's
office
look
into
what
would
be
involved
to
talk
to
the
secretary
of
state
about
a
experimental
permission
to
to
use
two-page
to
use
a
two-page
ballot.
E
And
mr
chair,
if
I
could
just
jump
in,
should
we
get
approval
of
that?
It
might
also
mean
that
we
would
need
to
increase
the
number
of
scanners
in
order
to
capture
those
votes
on
election
at
night
as
well.
So
there
would
also
be
a
substantial
financial
implication.
B
I
understand
right
right
now,
I'm
just
focused
on
the
technical.
Is
it
possible
and
there's
a
few
questions
in
the
chat,
one
from
co-chair
sandberg.
D
Thank
you.
Okay.
I
see
that
the
deadline
to
the
city
council
is
august,
4th
for
the
council
to
adopt
a
language,
but
would
we
then
be
sending
it
to
them
on
the
13th,
I'm
worried
about
the
gap
to
make
things
go
through
council
cycles.
I
think
we've
had
some
experience
where
that
it
could
be
longer
than
we
originally
anticipate.
So
is
that
our
real
deadline
for
our
decision
making,
even
though
technically
it's
the
21st.
E
H
H
H
Assignments
for
the
commissioners,
I
would
also
urge
people
to
take
a
look
at
the
model
charter
that
commissioner
smith,
provided
us
from
the
national
civic
league.
H
That
charter
proposed
model
started
this
year,
for
the
first
time
proposes
that
all
municipal
elections
be
held
in
odd
years.
It's
been
silent
on
that
previously
and
it
talks
about
the
two
main
reasons,
some
of
which
were
touched
on
during
the
presentation
here.
H
One
is
which
is,
they
believe
the
increasing
partisanship
will
make
it
more
difficult
for
allegedly
nonpartisan
municipal
elections
to
avoid
the
larger
federal
and
state
noise-
and
second,
is
that
which
was
touched
on
here-
is
that
it
will
be
much
harder
for
people
to
be
involved
and
follow
a
municipal
election
when
most
of
the
light
and
heat
will
be
focused
on
the
federal
and
state
elections.
H
I
thought
that
was
interesting
from
the
national
group
that
took
a
stance
on
this
newest
charter
to
move
to
or
to
suggest
that
people
stay
within
an
odd
year
election.
So
I'm
just
throwing
that
out
people
can
the
committee
comments
discuss
it.
It's
very
brief,
but
people
might
want
to
look
at
that.
Thank
you.
C
B
I
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
my
question
more
of
an
observation
given
the
presentation
and
the
fact
that,
right
now
it
seems
to
me
that
what
we're
trying
to
suggest
here
or
we're
contemplating
is
probably
illegal,
as
commissioner
getter
pointed
out,
but
I
understand:
there's
an
exception
for
experiments,
but
given
the
tight
time
frame
that
that
was
outlined
here,
if
we're
going
to
go
to
the
secretary
of
state
and
find
out
what
is
permissible
and
how
how
far
we
can
push
the
envelope
on
an
experiment,
we
better
get
cracking
because
the
first
bunch
that
has
to
take
a
look
at
that
and
we'll
define
what
the
parameters
are.
I
It's
going
to
be
the
attorney
general
and,
with
all
due
respect
to
our
lawyer,
friends,
who
are
on
the
call,
that's
gonna
take
a
bit
so
if
we're
gonna
do
anything
and
and
give
the
full
commission,
you
know
a
full
analysis
of
all
the
of
all
the
details
here.
We
we
better
find
out
how
how
far
we
can
go,
and
that
means
with
the
secretary
of
state.
So
I
think
we
have,
if
we're
going
to
do
that,
they
better
we
got
to
get
moving.
We
don't
have
much
time.
B
Well,
I
hope
I
can
pull
us
back
a
little,
because
I
wasn't
necessarily
suggesting
we
consider
this
with
a
goal
to
this
year.
I
was
just
considering-
I
don't
think
we'd
want
to
do
it
in
a
municipal
only
year.
I
think
we'd
want
to
do
it
in
a
in
a
general
statewide
election
year,
but
I
recognize
there's
probably
a
lot
more
work
to
do
than
we
can
do
between
now
and
july,
but
that's
fine.
I
just
don't
want
this
to
get
lost
again.
B
I
want
us
to
keep
working
on
it
and
whether
that's
working
with
the
secretary
of
state
to
get
experimental
permission
to
proceed,
whether
it's
figuring
out
a
technical
solution
with
hennepin
county,
so
we
can
fit
it
on
one
page
or
some
other
solution
or
or
working
with
the
legislature
even
to
to
change
the
law.
B
I
will
work
with
co-chair
sandberg
to
set
a
time
for
our
next
meeting
and
co-chair
sandberg,
and
I
are
going
to
alternate
chairing
meetings,
so
she
will
chair
the
next
meeting
and
we
will
send
out
a
time
in
the
next
few
days.
I
think
I
think
we
would
like
to
plan
for
one
the
week
of
the
next
charter
commission
meeting
so
first
week
in
april.