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From YouTube: March 1, 2022 Heritage Preservation Commission
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B
Now
begin
good
afternoon,
welcome
to
this
live
broadcast
of
a
virtual
meeting
of
the
march
1
2022
regular
meeting
of
the
minneapolis
heritage
preservation.
Commission.
This
meeting
includes
the
remote
participation
of
members
as
authorized
under
minnesota
statute,
section
13d
.021,
due
to
the
declared
local
health
pandemic
for
the
record,
my
name
is
madeleine
sunberg
and
I
serve
as
chair
of
the
minneapolis
heritage.
Preservation.
Commission
I'll
now
call
this
meeting
to
order
and
ask
the
clerk
to
call
the
role
so
may
verify
the
presence
of
a
quorum.
B
B
B
Our
first
order
of
business
is
to
adopt
the
agenda
for
this
meeting,
we'll
work
from
the
agendas
that
are
available
online
I'll,
go
through
the
agenda
and
sort
out
what
items
will
be
continued
to
a
future
meeting.
What
items
will
be
discussed
what
times
we
put
on
the
consent
agenda
to
be
proved,
as
recommended
by
staff
without
further
discussion?
B
B
B
D
D
B
Thank
you.
The
agenda
is
approved.
Our
next
order
of
business
will
be
to
approve
the
minutes
from
our
february
15th
meeting.
May
I
have
a
motion
to
approve
those
meeting
minutes.
F
G
C
B
Thank
you.
The
minutes
are
approved
before
I
open
the
hearing
to
public
comments.
Let
me
summarize
the
process
for
conducting
the
hearing
in
this
virtual
format.
The
process
for
the
public
hearing
is
as
follows:
it
will
take
each
agenda
item
in
order.
First,
planning
staff
will
present
its
report
and
commissioners
may
ask
questions
of
staff.
Then
we
will
hear
from
the
applicant
and
commissioners
may
ask
questions
of
the
applicant
after
that
I'll
open
the
public
hearing
and
invite
public
comment
we'll
take
speakers
in
the
order
they
pre-registered.
B
Speakers
will
be
limited
to
two
minutes
when
your
name
is
called
you,
please
state
your
name
and
address
for
the
record
and
then
proceed
to
your
comments
after
you've
completed
a
list
of
pre-registered
speakers.
I
will
see
if
there
are
any
other
speakers
who
may
have
called
in
in
order
to
activate
your
microphone.
You'll
need
to
press
star
6
on
your
phone
and
wait
to
hear
the
pre-recorded
message
before
we
can
hear
you
so
again
I'll
take
the
pre-registered
speakers
in
order
and
then
open
the
floor
to
any
other
speakers
in
the
queue.
B
Please
keep
your
comments,
this
specific
application
that
is
before
us
today
after
the
public
comments
are
complete.
I
will
close
the
hearing.
Commissioners
will
deliberate
and
act
on
the
application
before
us.
So
with
that.
Our
first
item
is
item
number
four
2424
west
lake
of
the
isles,
parkway
ward,
7
demolition
of
historic
resource.
The
staff
report
will
be
presented
by
john
somali.
H
Good
evening,
madam
chair
and
members
of
the
commission,
my
name
is
john
smoly
and
I'm
pleased
to
be
before
you
this
evening
to
discuss
the
proposed
demolition
of
a
historic
resource
application
to
demolish
more
than
60
percent
of
the
residents
at
2424
west
lake
of
the
isles
parkway
in
the
kenwood
neighborhood
next
slide.
Please.
H
The
subject
property
was
designed
by
master
architect
carl
gage
and
constructed
by
eugene
kaiser
in
1929
and
1930
for
grain
trader,
james
r
stewart
and
his
wife
isla
the
stuarts,
chose
a
prominent
piece
of
undeveloped
land
on
a
point
along
the
western
shore
of
lake
of
the
isles
to
build
their
home
next
slide.
Please.
H
The
subject
property
is
a
two
and
a
half
story:
tudor
revival
style,
single-family
residence.
The
clad
dwelling
is
laid
out
in
an
irregular
plan
with
a
slate
clad
cross
gable
roof
bearing
two
brick
chimneys
and
a
brick
elevator
overrun,
a
hip
roofed
wing
extends
northward
from
the
center
of
the
residence
on
the
rear,
where
a
non-historic
garage
constructed
in
1984
connects
perpendicular
to
the
end
of
the
residence
next
slide.
Please.
H
Add
a
new
add
new,
integrated
ornamental
metal
window
boxes
at
both
the
existing
house
and
at
new
punched
openings
on
the
second
floor
to
match
the
original
design
replace
all
existing
windows.
Most
of
which
are
historic,
true,
divided
light
windows
with
energy,
efficient,
insulated
windows,
with
a
simulated
division
of
lights
and
replace
doors
with
new
doors
bearing
insulated
glass
with
a
simulated
division
of
lights.
H
This
is
a
linear
measurement
of
exterior
changes,
not
interior
changes,
window
and
or
replacements,
and
existing
rough
openings
do
not
count
toward
the
demolition
replacement
of
roofing
material
does
not
count
toward
the
demolition.
Even
new
wall.
Cladding
does
not
count
toward
the
demolition
alterations
meet
the
definition
of
demolition
when
they
change
the
size
of
existing
wall,
openings,
create
new
wall
openings
or
change
the
design
of
the
roof
structure,
even
without
taking
into
account
the
applicant's
replacement
of
all
windows
on
the
subject
property.
H
H
In
terms
of
public
comment,
staff
has
received
six
letters
in
support
of
this
project,
one
from
the
kenwood
neighborhood
organization
and
five
from
neighbors
of
the
subject
property
as
you've
seen
in
your
staff
report
packet
and
as
you
have
received
this
afternoon.
One
additional
letter
with
comments
is
also
before
you
today.
H
Your
review
this
evening
is
not
the
first
eligibility
review
of
the
subject
property.
This
home
lies
within
the
potential
lake
of
the
isles
historic
district.
The
eligibility
of
this
potential
historic
district
for
local
designation
has
been
affirmed
by
every
major
study
of
the
area
conducted
over
the
past
four
decades.
H
All
those
studies
conducted
by
all
of
those
agencies
came
to
the
same
basic
conclusion.
The
potential
lake
of
the
isle
historic
district
was
eligible
either
for
a
local,
designation,
national
register
listing
or
at
the
very
least,
intensive
level
survey
in
the
past.
You've
reviewed
other
proposed
demolitions
in
this
historic
district
and
have
at
times
authorized
their
approval
for
a
variety
of
reasons,
specific
to
the
findings
for
the
particular
properties
in
question.
H
H
In
this
report,
amy
lucas
evaluated
the
subject:
property's
eligibility
for
designation
as
a
landmark,
not
as
part
of
the
potential
lake
of
the
house,
historic
district.
She
deemed
the
property
eligible
for
designation
as
an
individual
landmark.
She
rated
the
property's
integrity
very
high,
determining
that
it
retained
all
seven
aspects
of
integrity
staff
agrees
with
their
assessment.
H
This
is
a
very
important
point.
This
property
is,
unlike
other
lake
of
the
isles
demolitions,
that
you've
reviewed.
It
is
eligible
for
designation
as
a
landmark,
not
just
as
part
of
the
potential
historic
district
and
neither
staff
nor
the
applicant
disputes
its
significance
and
high
degree
of
integrity.
H
But
significance
and
integrity
are
not
the
only
factors
considered
in
demolition
of
historic
resource
applications.
So,
let's
take
a
look
at
the
demolition
of
historic
resource
findings.
Next
slide,
please
for
the
city's
heritage,
preservation
regulations,
the
heritage
preservation.
Shallow
commission
shall
approve
the
demolition
of
a
historic
resource
if
the
destruction
is
necessary
to
correct
an
unsafe
or
dangerous
condition
on
the
property,
or
there
are
no
reasonable
alternatives
to
the
destruction
in
determining
whether
reasonable
alternatives
exist.
H
First
of
all,
in
terms
of
the
first
finding
again,
neither
the
applicant
nor
cped
finds
the
demolition
is
necessary
to
correct
an
unsafe
or
dangerous
condition
in
terms
of
finding
2a
significance.
Both
staff
and
the
applicant's
historical
consultant
recommend
the
property
as
eligible
for
local
designation
under
criteria.
2
4
and
6.
H
Stewart
was
born
in
1874
in
ottawa,
canada,
the
son
of
scottish
immigrants,
one
of
nine
children.
He
moved
to
grand
forks
north
dakota
in
1879.
stewart
entered
the
workforce
in
1891,
beginning
work
with
the
western
grain
company.
He
was
successful
enough
to
amass
the
capital
necessary
to
open
his
own
grain
business
at
an
early
age
in
1894
and
to
become
a
lifelong
philanthropist
for
local
causes.
He
credits
his
philanthropy
directed
toward
less
fortunate
youth
to
his
challenging
upbringing
in
his
early
years.
H
Despite
this,
he
proved
highly
adept
at
financing,
constructing
and
utilizing
grain
elevators
and
shipment
terminals
at
a
very
young
age.
He
moved
to
minneapolis
in
1901
and
established
the
banner
grain
company
serving
as
its
president.
He
was
successful
enough
to
purchase
a
340
acre
farm
in
savage
in
1920..
H
The
residence
is
significant
under
criterion
4
for
representing
the
distinctive
characteristics
of
the
tudor
revival,
style
of
architecture,
as
you
can
see
from
these
photos
of
the
front
and
rear
of
the
home.
This
cross-gable
house
possesses
a
high-pitched,
prominent
front-facing,
gable,
stucco
cladding,
massive
chimneys
tall
and
narrow
windows
and
multiple
groups
with
multi-pane
glazing
and
a
front
entrance
with
a
masonry
surround
all
characteristic
traits
of
tudor
revival.
Residences
next
slide,
please.
H
The
subject.
Property
is
also
significant
under
criterion.
6
for
exemplifying
the
works
of
master
architect.
Carl,
a
gage
carl
alexander
gage
began
his
career
as
a
designer
in
minneapolis's
flower
city,
ornamental
iron
company,
whose
rot
and
cast
iron
decorate
such
buildings
as
the
palmer
house
hotel
in
chicago
and
the
john
adams
building
in
washington
dc.
H
After
several
years,
there
gage
became
an
architect
working
in
the
firms
of
thomas
holyoke,
ernest
kennedy,
edward
hewitt,
bertrand,
chamberlain
and
finally,
tyrion
chapman.
Before
establishing
his
own
practice.
Gage
is
best
known
for
designing
up
scale
houses
in
minneapolis,
especially
in
the
tudor
revival
style
of
architecture
such
as
the
goodfellow
residence.
H
Now
the
bakken
museum,
50135017
belmont
avenue
south
in
minneapolis
and
3430
and
3520
west
video
mccoska
boulevard,
one
of
gage's
commissions,
the
sigma
kappa
sorority
house
at
521,
12th
avenue
southeast,
has
been
designated
as
a
contributing
resource
in
the
city
of
minneapolis's
university
of
minnesota
greek
letter,
chapter
house,
historic
district
as
well
again,
both
staff
and
the
applicant
are
in
agreement
on
this
significance
next
slide.
Please
staff
also
identifies
the
property
as
being
significant
under
criterion,
3.
H
criterion,
3
states,
the
property
contains
or
is
associated
with
distinctive
elements
or
city
of
city
or
neighborhood
identity
and
staff
would
state
that
being
a
single-family
residence
on
the
shores
lake
of
the
isles.
Arguably
the
city's
most
prestigious
lake
fronting
on
lake
of
the
isles
parkway.
Arguably
the
city's
most
prestigious
drive.
H
This
residence
was
designed
by
a
master
architect
for
a
significant
minneapolis
and
embodies
the
distinctive
characteristics
of
an
architectural
style.
The
significance
was
recognized
in
the
1984
city
of
minneapolis
designation,
study
of
lake
of
the
isles
potential
historic
district,
which
named
the
stewart
residents,
one
of
the
16
most
pivotal
properties
in
the
district.
H
Original
stucco,
slate,
brick
and
stone
materials
remain
intact
in
the
vast
majority
of
the
home,
despite
the
loss
of
some
materials
to
rear
additions
and
the
early
20th
century
workmanship
used
to
produce
and
assemble,
these
materials
remains
quite
evident.
Ensuring
the
property
retains
integrity
of
materials
and
workmanship.
H
The
home
has
never
been
moved,
ensuring
it
retains
integrity
of
location
and
the
neighborhood
remains
mostly
single-family
residences
set
around
one
of
minneapolis's
premier
leagues.
Ensuring
the
residence's
integrity
of
setting
remains
intact.
The
properties
originally
used
as
a
single-family
residence
remain
remains
unchanged,
and
it
continues
to
evoke
the
feeling
of
an
early
20th
century
residents.
H
H
The
applicant
also
cites
vehicular
circulation.
Problems
noted
that
the
existing
driveway
opens
from
west
lake
of
the
isles
parkway
at
the
northeast
corner
of
the
lot
and
runs
past
a
projecting
bay
window
and
through
a
port
crochet
too
small,
to
allow
for
the
safe
passage
of
vehicles.
The
port
crochet
measures,
eight
feet
eleven
inches
wide
and
between
seven
feet
to
two
and
a
half
inches
to
seven
feet.
H
The
existing
and
proposed
uses
of
the
subject.
Property
are
the
same.
The
applicant
is
currently
using
the
building
as
a
single
family
residence
and
intends
to
do
so
after
the
proposed
60
demolition
remodel
in
terms
of
costs
of
renovation.
The
applicant
has
not
provided
estimated
cost
of
renovation,
but
plans
indicate
that
nearly
70
percent
of
the
existing
3.65
million
home
would
be
demolished
and
rebuilt,
even
bigger
than
it
currently
is
in
terms
of
feasible
alternative
uses.
The
subject
property
is
zoned
for
a
variety
of
low-density
residential
uses,
but
the
applicant
seeks
no
change
of
use.
H
The
applicant
is
currently
using
the
subject
property
as
a
single-family
residence
and
has
confirmed
their
intent
to
do
so
in
the
future
staff
finds
the
subject.
Property
is
eligible
for
designation
as
a
landmark
under
criteria.
2
3,
4
and
6
under
code
of
ordinances,
chapter
599.210
staff
is
a
subject.
Property
retains
all
seven
aspects
of
integrity
and
no
unsafe
or
dangerous
conditions
exist
on
the
property.
H
For
these
reasons,
cped
recommends
that
the
heritage
preservation
commission
adopt
staff
findings
for
the
application
by
hga
for
the
property
located
at
2424
less
week,
west
lake
of
the
isles
parkway
and
denies
the
demolition
of
the
historic
resource
application,
establishes
interim
protection
and
directs
the
planning
director
to
prepare
or
cause
to
be
prepared.
A
designation
study.
H
B
I
don't
see
any
questions
at
this
time.
Thanks
john,
I
will
now
open
the
public
hearing
for
this
item.
As
I
understand
that
the
applicant
is
here
to
speak,
I'm
not
sure
which
order
you
would
like
to
go
in.
I
have
joan
serrano
as
the
first
and
then
carol.
Ann
singh
is
the
second,
but
if
you'd
like
to
switch
that
order,
that's
fine!
If
you
could
just
press
star
six
on
your
phone,
wait
to
hear
the
pre-recorded
message
to
activate
your
microphone
and
then
state
your
name
and
address
for
the
record.
D
Good
evening,
commissioners,
this
is
carol
lansing.
I
will
go
first,
I'm
an
attorney
at
sagree,
drinker,
90,
south
7th
street
minneapolis
and
I'm
assisting
joan
and
hga
with
the
city
and
park
board
processes
for
review
of
the
proposed
remodeling
of
2424
west
lake
of
the
isle,
I'd
like
to
say
a
few
words
about
the
choice.
We
would
like
you
to
make
in
your
decision
tonight
and
then
joan
will
explain
the
proposed
work
and
the
reasons
for
it.
D
D
So
while
it
appears
eligible
under
those
criteria,
I
don't
think
we
can
say
we
agree,
that's
very
significant,
but
what
we
are
asking
is
that
you
conclude
that
there
are
no
reasonable
alternatives
for
long-term
preservation
of
the
house
other
than
an
extensive
remodeling
that
exceeds
the
60
threshold
for
how
the
city
defines
demolition.
D
D
Everyone
she
met
with
is
supportive
of
the
design
and
agrees
that
the
proposed
plans
are
the
best
chance
for
preserving
the
historic
and
architectural
character
of
this
house
for
decades
to
come.
Commissioners,
the
historic
resources
ordinance
gives
you
the
latitude
to
apply
both
practical
and
policy
considerations
to
your
decision
tonight.
D
So
again,
we
are
asking
that
you
find
that
there
are
no
reasonable
alternatives
to
the
proposed
partial
demolition
and
now,
unless
there's
questions
for
me,
joan
serrano
would
like
to
speak
to
you.
B
Thank
you
for
your
comments.
I
think
if
we
could
go
straight
to
joan
and
then
see
if
there
are
any
questions
for
the
applicant
team.
C
Chair
sunburg,
it
does
appear
that
joan
has
called
into
the
meeting.
It
may
be
prudent
to
remind
them
that
they
would
need
to
press
star
six
and
wait
for
the
message.
Thank
you.
I
Madam
chair,
this
is
ken
from
the
clerk's
office
as
well.
I
I
would
also
suggest
that,
if,
if
she
can
hear
this
that
she
may
want
to
check
if
her
own
device
is
muted,
that
that
could
potentially
be
the
issue.
B
C
G
G
Sorry
about
that,
so
I
before
I
can
I've
got
a
presentation
if
you
can
pull
up
slide
one
please
and
I
can't
see
the
screen
so
I'm
assuming
that
will
be
pulled
up
before
we
talk
about
the
design
of
2424
west
lake
of
the
isles
parkway.
I'd
like
to
talk
just
briefly
and
carol
alluded
to
this
about
the
community
outreach
that
we've
done
over
the
last
couple
months.
G
We
did
present
the
plans
to
the
kenwood
neighborhood
association
in
january
and
they
took
a
vote
in
their
february
board
meeting
and
unanimously
supported
the
project.
We
also
talked
with
adjacent
neighbors
to
the
north,
so
two
houses
closest
to
the
polag
residents
and
they
also,
I
think,
wrote
letters
in
support
of
the
project.
G
So
many
of
them
contacted
linda
mack,
who
you
know
was
on
the
hpc
for
12
years,
and
also
an
architectural
historian
and
she's
also
a
neighbor.
So
she-
and
I
got
the
neighbors
together
last
week
to
present
the
plans,
and
I
think
there
were
about
eight
to
ten
people
on
that
call,
and
everybody
was
very
supportive
of
the
project.
So
I
just
illustrate
that
to
point
out
that
the
community
outreach
part
of
this
process
has
been
very
important
to
us.
G
G
As
john
pointed
out,
this
is
a
significant
house
and
significant
property.
It's
a
unique
property
from
the
perspective
that
it's
on
a
point.
I
can
only
think
of
one
other
house
on
lake
of
the
isles
that
is
located
on
a
point
and
with
views
both
from
the
east
and
to
the
south
towards
the
lake.
G
So
one
of
the
first
things
I
want
to
point
out
to
everybody
is
that
this
is
a
photo
of
the
front
of
the
house
as
it
currently
exists,
and
essentially
the
front
of
the
house
will
stay
exactly
like
this.
We
are
not
touching
both
the
original
house
and
the
original
sun
room.
That's
located
on
the
left
side
of
this
photo.
G
The
only
thing
we
are
proposing
doing
is
where
that
gumdrop
shaped
hedge
is
located
putting
another
window
that
replicates
the
detailing
and
proportions
of
the
surrounding
windows,
to
add
a
little
bit
more
light
to
the
living
room,
but
otherwise
it's
staying
exactly
as
you
see
it.
Can
we
go
to
slide
5,
please,
as
john
illustrated.
What
we
are
suggesting,
though,
set
back
about
21
feet
from
the
main
front.
Facade
of
the
original
house
is
a
north
garage
that
we
are
rebuilding
and
we
are
rebuilding
that
for
several
reasons.
G
One
of
them,
as
john
mentioned,
the
port
cochair.
The
opening
by
today's
standards
is
very
narrow,
especially
when
you
have
to
navigate
around
the
bay
window,
so
the
car
actually
has
to
navigate
a
turn
around
that
and
then
kind
of
straighten
the
car.
In
order
to
go
through
that,
and
if
you
look
at
this-
the
bay
wind,
the
bay
window
and
the
port
cochair,
you
can
see
extensive
damage
on
the
bay
window
corner
and
also
scraping
along
the
porch
cochair.
G
So
by
today's
standards,
it's
a
difficult,
it's
a
difficult
element
to
navigate
every
day
to
go
into
the
house.
The
other
thing
that
to
point
out
is
that
the
garage
level
is
four
feet
lower
than
the
main
level
of
the
house
and
so
to
get
into
the
house
from
the
garage.
You
have
to
go
up
a
stairway
in
the
garage
go
over
the
port
cochair
and
go
down
another
flight
of
stairs
into
the
kitchen.
G
So
this
is
a
view
of
the
back
of
the
house.
You
can
see
the
port
cochair
and
behind
the
car
you
can
see
the
line
between
the
concrete
foundation
wall
and
the
brick.
That's
basically
the
level
of
the
main
floor.
So
you
can
see
that
the
garage
is
located
four
feet
below
that
and
again,
as
I
pointed
out,
you
have
to
navigate
two
sets
of
stairs
to
get
into
the
house
and
there
is
an
elevator,
an
existing
elevator
located
in
the
main
part
of
the
house,
but
there's
not
an
elevator
located
at
the
garage.
G
Can
I
see
slide
seven
please.
So
this
is
an
existing
site
plan
kind
of
illustrating
some
of
the
issues.
One
you
can
see
the
car
along
the
driveway.
You
can
see
the
bay
window
that
it
kind
of
has
to
navigate
around
number.
Three
is
the
narrow,
cochair
number
two
are
the
two
stairways
that
people
have
to
go
up
and
down
to
get
into
the
house,
and
then
one
thing.
G
I
want
to
point
out
that
when
the
garage
was
added
in
1984,
the
northwest
corner
of
the
garage
was
actually
placed
on
the
property
line
inches
from
the
property
line
and
by
today's
standards
you
need
a
minimum
of
eight
feet,
so
the
garage
is
very
close
to
the
neighboring
structure
slide.
Eight,
please.
G
So
this
is
the
proposed
news
site
plan
and
the
the
pale
pink
that
you
see.
That's
the
existing
house.
That
is
to
remain
so,
you
can
see.
The
whole
front
is
remaining
the
south
sun
room
which
is
original
is
remaining
and
the
two
additions
are
set
back
from
that
original,
east
and
south
face
the
one
addition.
G
The
original
sunroom
17
feet-
and
that's
an
important
piece
to
remember,
is
that
when
people
are
walking
along
the
sidewalk
or
driving
or
at
the
lake,
when
they
look
at
this
house,
the
original
1929,
historic
front,
entry
and
south
is
the
the
element
of
the
structure,
that's
closest
to
the
sidewalk
and
the
street.
The
additions
are
set
back,
so
the
most
prominent
reading
of
this
tudor
revival
home
will
always
be
that
1929
original
house
you
can
see.
G
We
have
relocated
the
driveway
to
the
west
edge
of
the
property,
and
we
got
park
board
approval
minneapolis
park
board
approval
to
do
that.
Last
summer.
We
actually
had
to
do
a
traffic
study
to
make
sure
that
pulling
out
of
that
driveway
was
a
safe
condition
because
of
the
curve,
and
it
was,
and
they
unanimously
agreed
that
we
could
shift
that
driveway
and
then,
in
terms
of
landscaping.
G
G
So
these
are
a
couple
renderings.
Just
to
give
you
an
idea
of
what
this
will
look
like.
So
at
the
front,
which
is
the
east
side
of
the
house
you
can
see
to
the
right
is
the
rebuilt
garage
edition
and
then
to
the
left?
Is
the
original
house
can
I
have
slide
10.,
so
this
is
at
grade
of
that
front.
So
again
the
original
house
stays
intact.
You
can
see
that
third
window
on
the
left
located
in
the
living
room
to
get
more
light
into
there
and
then
on
the
right.
G
And
it
was
a
very
conscious
choice
on
our
part
that
you
know
that
the
tudor
revival
style
of
the
original
house,
that
we
were
going
to
basically
continue
that
language
so
that
the
additions
were
quieter
again
in
keeping
with
the
spirit
of
the
the
house
that
they
didn't
stand
out
and
in
any
way
dominate
the
original
house.
So,
on
the.
J
G
Hand
side:
you
can
see
the
original
sun
room
with
the
original
gable
of
the
the
house
and
then
the
cross
gable
is
the
south
edition
kitchen
and
owner's
suite,
and
then
it
steps
down
much
like
the
original
sun
room
into
the
family
room,
we're
reconstructing
the
chimneys
and
then
in
the
back.
You
can
see
the
north
edition,
with
three
dormers
and
under
the
garage
doors.
G
G
The
landscaping
to
be
much
more
open
to
the
larger
lake
community,
and
so
you
can
see,
will
be
a
series
of
lower
hedges,
stone
walls,
flowering
plants
window
boxes,
so
that
again
it
doesn't
look
like
a
walled
off
structure
which
it
does
now,
but
very
much
opens
out
to
the
community,
and
I
have
slide
13
please
and
the
last
image
is:
you
can
see
from
the
north
the
rebuilt
garage
eight
feet
from
the
property
line.
So
again,
there's
there's
more
air
space
between
this
rebuild
garage
and
the
neighboring
property.
F
Good
evening,
thank
you
for
that
presentation.
It
was
really
really
helpful
to
to
see
it
from
your
perspective.
I
am.
I
truly
appreciate
the
challenges
of
that
driveway
and
I
I
get
the
need
to
move
that
to
the
other
side
and
I'm
glad
to
see
that
the
that
the
park
board
has
been
supportive
of
that.
That
definitely
would
will
make
that
property
much
easier
to
to
access,
and
I-
and
I
truly
appreciate,
also
the
desire
to
work
with
universal
design
standards.
F
G
G
So
if
you
left
the
port
cochair
and
left
that
you
know
the
original
one
car
garage,
it
would
be
four
feet
lower
than
the
house,
then
that
if
you
elevate
the
garage,
the
new
garage
you've
got
this
weird
remnant,
that's
four
feet
lower
than
the
main
level
and
the
new
garage
elevation.
Do
you.
F
Know
what
I'm
I'm
saying
so
you're
saying
that
the
the
original
garage
level
would
be
four
foot
lower
than
the
yeah
than
the
garage
as
opposed
to
that
1984
edition.
That's
to
the
rear.
G
Right,
so
that's
the
problem:
it's
like
a
knuckle
in
there
that
would
be
depressed
and
you'd
somehow
have
to
navigate
that
or
you'd
have
to
bypass
that
with
the
new
garage.
That's
up
at
that
four
feet
and
we
just
couldn't
figure
out
how
to
do
that.
So
in
some
ways,
you're
just
kind
of
embalming
that
one
car
garage
that's
depressed.
G
John
alluded
to
it.
Actually,
sorry,
if
I
can
just
mention
one
more
thing:
john
alluded
to
it.
So
if
you
recall
the
original
that
north
garage
there
is,
there
is
a
bedroom
and
a
bathroom
over
the
port
cochair.
So
that's
the
other
issue
that
is
also
four
feet
lower
than
the
second
floor.
G
G
G
B
Thank
you
for
that
explanation.
Are
there
any
other
questions
for
the
applicant
team.
B
I
don't
see
any
this
time.
Thank
you
for
your
comments
with
that
I
will
move
on
to
the
public
comments.
B
I'm
gonna
take
the
list
of
pre-registered
speakers
in
order
and
then
open
the
floor
to
any
other
speakers
who
may
be
in
the
queue
again.
If
you
could,
please
provide
your
name
and
address
before
making
your
comments
and
just
press
star
six
wait
to
hear
the
pre-recorded
message
to
activate
your
microphone.
So
we
can
hear
you
and
the
next
person
in
the
queue
is
linda
mack.
J
I
gather
you.
Can
yes,
okay,
hello,
commissioners,
linda
mack,
here
I
am
living
at
2539,
thomas
avenue,
south
in
minneapolis,
which
is
three
blocks
from
the
the
subject
property,
and
I
think
that
you
should
have
received
my
letter
of
february
18th,
and
so
I
will
not
repeat
what
I
wrote
in
the
letter.
J
I
just
wanted
to
bring
a
little
better
perspective
to
this
this
project,
which
is
really
going
to
be
a
great
addition
to
the
neighborhood.
J
I
know
it's
hard
to
think
of
these
as
burdened
properties
when,
when
they're
so
expensive,
but
really
this
property
has
been
burdened
with
some
accessibility
issues
that
have
made
it
unoccupied,
really
a
good
part
of
the
time,
just
as
I
notice
in
the
neighbor
goes
on,
the
market
doesn't
sell
and
it
just
needs
to
be
given
some
loving
care,
which
I
believe
this
design
team
is
doing.
J
J
That
number
was
come
to,
but
practically
speaking,
it's
more
like
a
60
renovation,
I
mean
by
and
large
the
it's
the
additions,
the
kind
of
some
unfortunate
additions
to
the
original
house
that
are
being
removed,
and
one
thing
I
would
take
issue
with
in
in
dr
smoly's
as
usual.
Excellent
staff
report
is
when
he
said
that
only
the
original
facade
of
the
1920
house
remains
really.
The
1920
house
remains
intact.
J
So
again
it
you
know
technically
it's
a
60
demolition,
practically
speaking,
it's
at
least
a
significant
renovation
that
will
really
bring
new
life
to
the
property
and
ensure
that
it's
long-term
viability.
So
thank
you
very
much
and
thanks
for
continuing
your
service
under
what
are
difficult
circumstances.
Thanks.
B
I
don't
have
any
other
pre-registered
speakers,
so
I
would
like
to
check
to
see
if
there
is
anyone
else
in
the
queue
who
would
like
to
speak
for
or
against
this
application.
If
so,
please
press
star
6
on
your
phone,
and
let
me
know
that
you
are
there.
B
Well,
I'm
not
seeing
anyone
else,
I'd
like
to
again
check
to
see
if
commissioners
have
any
questions
before
I
close
the
public
hearing.
B
B
B
I'm
curious
what
other
people
are
thinking.
I
think
you
know
looking
at.
As
we
know,
the
next
step
would
be
more
significant
research
into
the
property
and
a
designation
study,
which
is
always
interesting.
On
the
other
hand,
we
know
that
that
adds
a
lot
of
time
for
applicants.
B
K
I
understand
that
the
that
the
building
we're
talking
about
is
potentially
eligible,
but
I'm
kind
of
struggling
with
designating.
It
think
there's
a
lot
of
reasons
that
I
would
argue
that
designation
might
not
be
appropriate,
and
so
personally,
I'm
I'm
leaning
towards
that.
You
know
that
we
would
not
move
forward
with
the
designation
study
but
interested
to
hear
what
other
people's
thoughts
are.
B
Thank
you,
commissioner.
Sam
bolt,
I
recognize
that
same
question
of
designating
this
as
an
individual
landmark.
I
think
what
I'm
kind
of
keeping
in
the
back
of
my
mind
is:
if
we
allowed
this
to
move
forward,
would
it
remove
it
from
being
eligible
if
the
district
went
forward
in
the
future,
are
we
removing
too
much
of
the
integrity?
F
I
I
appreciate
the
thoughts
that
both
you
and
commissioner
sam
boulter,
having
related
to
the
property
as
a
whole,
I
think
we
need
to
look
at
our
ordinance
and
what
we're
supposed
to
be
doing
at
this
and
and
commissioner
sandbolt
is
correct.
It's
it's.
We
kind
of
have
two
choices.
We
can't
really
talk
about
the
design,
as
proposed.
F
I
personally
think
that
there
are
feasible
alternatives
to
demolishing
that
garage,
and
I
agree
with
staff
that
the
property
is
significant
to
the
amount
of
information
that
we
have
in
the
in
the
documentation
we've
been
given
and
that
it
has
integrity.
F
We
know
that
there
is
no
unsafe
or
dangerous
condition
on
the
property,
so
that
doesn't
come
to
play
at
all.
But
when
we
we
look
at
our
destructive
destruction
of
historic
resource
portion
of
our
ordinance,
it's
you
know
we
can
make
a
finding
that
there
are
no
reasonable
alternatives
to
the
destruction.
F
I
personally
think
that
there
are
and
that
they
haven't
been
explored,
and
so
I
I'm
going
to
have
to
count
on
my
understanding
of
the
ordinance
when
I
vote
on
this,
and
I
think
it's
a
significant
property
and
I
think
that
there
are
are
reasonable
alternatives.
F
I
think
that
you
know,
as
I
said,
I
understand,
wanting
to
move
the
driveway
and
I
think
you
know
removing
the
later
additions
makes
sense,
but
that's
not
what
we're
you
know
really
looking
at
today.
So
those
are
my
thoughts,
I'm
I'm
leaning
toward
agreeing
with
staff
on
this
one.
B
E
Thank
you,
chair
sunberg.
I
appreciate
commissioner
howard's
framing
of
this,
because
I
think
it
was
really
helpful
for
me
to
kind
of
think
about
like
we're
looking
at
it
as
if
there's
no
reasonable
economic
alternatives
to
this,
and
I
I
might
slightly
disagree,
I
think
there
there
is
certain.
E
I
the
the
fact
that
there's
demolition
and
replacement
of
windows
is
a
little
bit
making
me
lean
towards
supporting
staff
findings
for
this,
but
I
also
am
finding
myself
agreeing
more
with
the
applicant
in
terms
of
like
the
fact
that
this
is
a
significant
investment
for
the
house
that
would
make
it
very
attractive
and
viable
for
preserving
and
I
feel
like
there
are
they're
taking
a
really
great
step
in
terms
of
being
very
mindful
of
the
design
of
the
original
house
and
in
terms
of
additions.
E
Adding
to
that
and
not
taking
away
from
that
original
front-facing
viewpoint,
I'm
still
undecided.
So
I'm
interested
to
see
what
others
are
are
thinking
about
that,
and
I
do
kind
of
I
do
appreciate
the
the
framing
of
you
know
what
we're
looking
at
today
of
our
ordinance,
and
I
think
that's
going
to
be
really
where
my
decision
is
going
to
land
is
how
well
not.
I
think
those
alternatives
could
be
explored
versus
not
so
those
are
my
thoughts.
B
Thank
you,
commissioner
booty.
Yes,
I
think
that
it's
kind
of
an
added
level
of
difficulty
of
trying
to
envision
what
else
could
be
done
on
the
site.
Andrea,
do
you
have
something
that
will
help
us
in
this.
L
Yeah,
I'm
actually
hey
andrea
burke
supervisor,
for
historic
preservation,
section
in
c
ben.
I
wanted
to
kind
of
help
further
frame
some
of
the
comments
that
I'm
hearing
to
help
you
in
making
your
decision
kind
of
further
expanding
off
of
commissioner
howard's
comments
and
that,
unfortunately,
because
of
the
way
our
ordinance
is
written
because
of
the
zoning
code
is
written.
Yes,
we
are
evaluating
this
as
a
demolition
is
an
all
or
nothing.
It
is
either
you
are
going
to
approve
the
demolition
and
therefore
it
is
out
of
your
hands.
L
You
don't
have
any
say
on
it
from
this
point
forward
or
you,
you
know,
deny
the
demolition
and
kick
off
a
study.
L
Unfortunately,
the
design
doesn't
really
have
a
play
into
this,
so
it's
kind
of
you
almost
have
to
kind
of
put
on
blinders
and
really
just
follow
the
the
ordinance
language
is
whether
or
not
they've
met
their
burden
of
proof
for
those
findings
and
one
you
know,
is
there
an
unsafe
condition,
kind
of
similar
things
we
went
to
through
for
earlier
projects
last
month
a
couple
months
ago,
and
then
you
know
two:
does
it
have
significance
integrity
if
it
does
then
considering
the
reasonable
alternatives
to
demolition?
L
Have
they
met
that?
Are
there
reasonable
alternatives
or
not,
and
I
know
I'm
reiterating,
but
I'm
trying
to
further
frame
it
up,
because
this
one
is
funny
in
that
you
can
look
at
it
and
say:
well,
maybe
that
design
if
we
did
this,
but
maybe
that
garage,
could
do
this
and
well,
but
if
they're
only
doing
this,
but
unfortunately
the
ordinance
in
this
application
isn't
put
before
you
that
way.
Legally,
you
have
to
follow
the
findings
of
the
ordinance
to
make
a
decision
on
this.
L
Whether
or
not
you
are
in
favor
or
not
of
the
design.
It's
sort
of
a
it's
an
all-or-nothing
deal:
either:
yes,
you're
going
to
move
it
toward
divination
or
know
you're
going
to
approve
a
demolition,
and
I
know
it's
hard
to
see
it
that
way,
given
the
the
nuances
of
this
particular
project,
but
in
in
helping
you
decide
which
way
to
go,
maybe
that
can
provide
a
a
different
way
to
to
imagine
it.
So
thank
you.
B
Thank
you,
andrea.
I
think
that's
important
both
for
commissioners
to
hear
and
for
the
applicant
to
understand
that,
just
depending
on
which
way
this
vote
goes.
It
is
not
based
off
of
our
feelings
about
the
design
and
how
well
it
works
with
the
existing
building,
but
that
we're
only
allowed
to
keep
in
mind.
B
Do
we
think
some
other
alternative
could
be
done
other
than
this
demolition?
I
think
this
is
especially
hard
since
it's
not
a
complete
demolition,
just
a
60.
You
know
like
the
entire
building's,
not
going,
then
it's
much
easier
for
commissioners
to
just
understand,
but
understanding
that
it
wouldn't
have
been
perceived
as
demolition
if
it
had
been
less
than
60.
B
You
know
this.
It
just
makes
it
a
little
tricky.
I'm
also
like
commissioner
howard,
leaning
towards
agreeing
with
staff
findings
here.
B
There
are
alternatives
that
could
be
done.
That
would
address
the
accessibility
issues
in
other
ways,
commissioner,
howard.
F
Yeah
and
thank
you
thank
you,
andrea
for,
for
stepping
in
on
on
the
conversation
and
framing
it
again,
based
on
our
ordinance
and
that's
I.
I
asked
about
the
garage,
because
if
the
original
garage
were
retained,
I
suspect
that
we
would
be
under
60
demolition,
and
so
that's
where
I
started
thinking
about
what
is
the
alternative,
not
necessarily
the
design,
but
if
there's
a
way
to
keep
that
original
mass
of
the
garage,
there
might
be
a
way
to
get
it
under
the
the
60,
which
is
the
definition
of
demolition.
F
So
I
have
to
go
with
my
gut
when
it
comes
to
following
what
our
ordinance
says.
So
I'm
going
to
make
a
motion,
and
I
would
appreciate
you
know
if
additional
commissioners
have
things
to
say.
Let's
just
get
a
motion
on
the
table.
We
can
always
continue
the
conversation,
so
I
had
to
make
a
motion
to.
F
B
B
I'm
not
seeing
any
discussion
again
I'd
really
like
the
applicant
and
the
architect
to
understand
this
is
not
a
reflection
of
the
design,
but
simply
the
verbiage,
of
our
ordinance
and
how
we
have
to
interpret
that
and
with
that
with
the
clerk.
Please
call
the
roll
on
the
motion.
C
B
Thank
you
that
motion
passes
the
applicant
may
talk
to
staff
tomorrow
about
next
steps.
That
concludes
our
public
hearing
items
for
tonight.
B
So
I'm.
B
I
guess
I
will
mention
that
this
is
my
final
meeting,
and
so
I
will
be
leaving
at
this
point
and
I'm
excited
to
hear
if
our
new
commissioner
was
approved.
I
think
that
her
approval
was
earlier
today,
hopefully,
but
I'm
sure
we'll
hear
from
andrea
on
that,
and
it
sounds
like
commissioner.
Booty
has
an
announcement.
E
Hello,
yes,
thank
you,
chair,
sunburg,
andrea,
sent
out
an
email
to
us
a
couple
weeks
ago
about
rethos's
buildings
on
main
street
conference,
which
is
coming
up
april
21st
through
22nd
in
faribault.
E
It
does
have
one
of
the
intended
audiences
is
heritage,
preservation,
commissioners,
it
will
be,
you
know,
centered
around
rethos's
main
street
work,
which
is
in
smaller
towns,
but
any
of
any
main
heritage
preservation.
E
Commissioners,
are
welcome
to
attend
talk
a
lot
about
some
of
the
financial
difficulties
and
rehabbing
downtown
commercial
buildings,
as
well
as
talking
through
historic
preservation,
ordinances
and
reviews
like
that
it
will
be
in
person,
and
you
can
find
more
information
on
the
link
that
andrea
sent
but
thought
I
would,
as
a
resource
representative
on
the
hbc,
make
that
announcement
today.
B
Thank
you,
commissioner.
Booty.
I
feel
like
I
had
an
announcement
and
I
just
completely
forgot
it
gosh.
What
was
I
gonna
say
I
don't
remember
at
all
andrea.
I
will
turn
things
over
to
you.
L
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
Yes,
our
proposed
candidate
to
the
hpc
was
voted
at
the
business
inspections,
housing
and
zoning
committee
today
for
recommended
for
approval,
so
that
will
then
go
to
the
next
step
to
the
city,
council
and
signature
prime
mayor,
so
hoping
to
have
that
commissioner
seated
by
the
next
meeting
on
march
15th.
L
So
that
is
the
update
on
that.
I
don't
have
any
other
further
updates
than
our
resolution
that
we
read
for
a
departing
commissioner
and
chair
at
that
with
you
departing
and
I
before
I
have
rachel
read
our
resolution.
I
just
wanted
to
say
thank
you
so
much
for
rolling
with
all
of
the
changes
over
the
last
two
years,
with
with
going
virtual
and
taking
over
cheer
from
a
previous
chair
who,
I
think
her
last
meeting
was
in
person
and
putting
together
scripts
and
putting
together.
L
You
know,
making
sure
these
virtual
meetings
got
off
to
such
a
smooth
start,
which
I
know
has
been
greatly
appreciated
by
me
and
I
think
all
the
other
commissioners.
I
can
speak
for
them
as
well.
You
have
participated
in
many
big
projects
in
your
time
on
this
commission,
which
of
course
predates
me,
but
thank
you
again.
This
has
been
no
easy
feat,
the
last
two
years
to
to
roll
with
all
the
changes,
and
I
am
greatly
appreciative.
L
L
I'm
going
to
make
the
executive
decision
and
say:
let's
do
the
resolution
first
and
then
we
will
have
on
course
afterwards.
So
rachel.
Thank
you.
C
Preservation,
commission
and
city
now,
therefore,
be
it
resolved
by
the
minneapolis
heritage,
preservation,
commission
and
the
staff
to
the
minneapolis
heritage
preservation,
commission
of
the
city
of
minneapolis,
that
we
thank
madeleine
sundberg
for
her
faithful
and
constructive
service
and
extending
the
progress
of
the
city
and
in
promoting
the
welfare
of
its
people
that
we
extend
her.
Our
best
wishes
for
good
health
and
happiness
in
all
of
life's
endeavors,
trusting
that
the
friendships
and
understanding
built
and
our
mutual
undertakings
will
be
with
us,
always
approved.
Minneapolis
heritage
preservation.
B
H
You've
been
here
for
quite
a
while,
and
I
know
I
tend
to
think
of
you
as
masterfully
handling
all
of
our
online
pandemic
meetings,
which
are
really
challenging,
but
you
were
so
integral
in
person
to
many
of
our
earlier
highly
successful
efforts
which
some
of
which
were
mentioned
in
the
study,
but
I'm
thinking
you
know,
in
particular
of
our
efforts
to
identify
and
protect
properties
associated
with
undocumented
groups
to
include
the
church
of
the
incarnation
in
your
old
neighborhood
there.
You
were
just
so
terrific.
H
You
know
whether
they'd
be
willing
to
support
these
grant
funded
designation
efforts,
trying
to
keep
our
preservation
program
really
positive
and
proactive,
and
in
the
case
of
church,
at
the
incarnation.
Of
course,
that
was
a
very
successful
historic
district
designation.
H
H
The
equivalent
of
26
000
meals
at
their
food
center
that
they
opened
up
on
thanksgiving,
and
so
it's
really
nice
to
see
the
the
impact
that
your
services
had
in
a
variety
of
ways,
and
I
thank
you
for
that.
H
B
Thank
you,
john.
It's
been
a
really
enjoyable
time
on
the
commission.
I
hope
that
I'm,
the
only
chair
who
only
ever
does
virtual
meetings
after
doing
two
years
of
only
virtual
meetings.
I
think
my
first
meeting
as
chair
was
our
first
meeting
when
the
pandemic
hit,
which
has
you
know,
been
an
interesting
experience
for
all
of
us,
and
I'm
hoping
this
is
not
a
permanent
goodbye
to
the
commission,
I'm
hoping
that
I
circle
back
here,
maybe
in
several
years
we'll
see
where
life's
at.
B
At
that
point,
I
would
like
to
give
my
best
to
the
next
chair
and
thank
barbara
for
stepping
in
until
elections
can
be
held,
and
I'd
also
really
like
to
encourage
our
newer
commissioners
to
consider
running
for
some
of
those
positions
at
the
elections,
because
I
think
it
is
a
good
way
to
get
further
involved
and
maybe
a
slightly
different
understanding
of
how
the
commission
works.
B
Are
there
any
other
announcements,
although
I
think
I'm
now
technically
not
chair,
so
I
don't
know
barbara.
If
you
would
like
to
close
out
the
meeting.
B
Okay,
it
doesn't
know,
don't
want
to
mess
things
up
here.
Are
there
any
other
announcements
or
new
business.