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From YouTube: December 1, 2022 Planning Commission
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A
A
All
right
good
afternoon,
everyone
welcome
to
the
regular
meeting
of
the
City
Planning
Commission
today
is
Monday
December
5th.
My
name
is
Alyssa
Olson
I'm,
the
president
of
the
Planning
Commission,
the
city
will
be
recording
and
posting
this
meeting
to
the
city's
website
and
YouTube
channel
as
a
means
of
increasing
Public,
Access
and
transparency.
This
meeting
is
public
and
subject
to
the
Minnesota
open
meeting
law.
At
this
time,
I'll
ask
the
clerk
to
please
call
the
roll.
B
Commissioner,
Campbell
will
be
absent
this
evening.
Commissioner
Alper
present
commissioner
Baxley
here,
commissioner
serial
present
commissioner
fayola
here,
commissioner
Ford
yeah
commissioner
marwa
commissioner
Maguire
here,
chair
Olson
here,
commissioner
rainville
president.
That's
eight
members.
A
Present
all
right,
we
have
a
quorum.
So
next
we'll
proceed
to
the
agenda,
a
copy
of
which
was
posted
for
public
access
to
the
city's
legislative
information
management
system,
which
is
available,
limbs.minneapolis
mn.gov,
we'll
begin
oh
and
there's
also
copies
by
the
clerk
on
the
counter.
Over
there
we'll
begin
with
acceptance
of
the
minutes
from
November
14th
Commissioners
could
I
have
a
motion
to
accept
those
minutes.
A
C
A
Opposed
any
abstentions,
all
right
that
motion
passes
and
the
minutes
are
adopted.
Our
next
order
of
business
is
to
organize
the
public
hearing
agenda.
I
will
read
through
the
agenda
numbers
and
addresses
and
state
whether
they're
slated
for
consent,
withdrawal
or
discussion
consent
items
will
be
passed
by
the
board,
we'll
be
adopting
staff
recommendation
as
well
as
any
stated
conditions.
So,
if
you
agree
with
staff
recommendation,
you
don't
need
to
do
anything
and
the
application
will
be
adopted
by
the
board.
A
If
you
would
like
to
speak
on
an
item,
you
can
just
raise
your
hand
and
we'll
put
that
item
on
the
discussion
agenda
so
with
that
here
are
items
for
the
evening
item
number
four
is
three
one:
five,
twenty
Seventh
Avenue
Northeast
staff
is
recommending
this
item
for
consent.
Is
there
anyone
here
who
would
like
to
speak
against
staff
recommendation
on
item
number
four.
A
A
719-723-727-733-737-741-747-751
Van
Buren
Street
Northeast
and
901
Summer
Street
Northeast.
We
will
be
discussing
item
number
five
item.
Number
six
is
636
Broadway
Street
Northeast
staff
is
recommending
this
item
for
consent.
Is
there
anyone
here
who
would
like
to
speak
against
staff
recommendation
on
item
number
six.
A
Okay,
like
during
the
consent
agenda,
discussion,
okay
got
it,
but
we'll
keep
it
on
the
consent
agenda.
So
item
number
six
will
be
on
consent.
Item
number
seven
is
801.
15Th
Avenue
Southeast
staff
is
recommending
this
item
for
consent.
Is
there
anyone
here
who
would
like
to
speak
against
staff
recommendation
on
item
number?
Seven,
all
right,
seeing
none
we'll
put
item
number
seven
on
consent.
A
A
Item
number:
nine
is
2309.
Plymouth
Avenue
North
staff
is
recommending
this
item
for
consent.
Is
there
anyone
here
who
would
like
to
speak
against
staff?
Recommendation
for
item
number?
Nine?
Okay,
we'll
put
item
number
nine
on
our
discussion
agenda
item
number
10
is
1254.
Russell
Avenue
North
staff
is
recommending
this
item
for
consent.
Is
there
anyone
here
who
would
like
to
speak
against
staff
recommendation
on
item
number
10.?
A
Number
11
is
718:
819
821
and
825
West
Broadway
and
1828
1830
1832
1836
and
1838
Bryant
Avenue
North.
This
item
has
been
withdrawn,
so
we
will
be
returning
that
item.
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
D
A
A
So
all
in
favor
of
approving
the
agenda,
as
amended,
say,
aye
aye,
aye
all
opposed
any
abstentions.
All
right
the
motion
passes.
Indeed,
the
agenda
has
been
adopted.
A
E
Thank
you,
ma'am
sure.
Is
there
someone
here
from
the
dental
clinic
on
Broadway
item
six?
Could
could
you
just
step
forward,
please
I'm
going
to
vote
for
this.
This
is
a
great
project,
but
I
would
just
ask
if
there's
some
sensitivity
to
the
dry
cleaners
next
door
with
the
success
of
your
clinic.
You
have
a
lot
more
people
coming
there
and
they
they
Park
in
their
driveway.
It
might
seem
like
or
their
parking
lot.
It
might
seem
like
a
a
small
thing,
but
it's
is
causing
a
lot
of
problems
for
their
customers.
So.
E
F
A
G
Thank
you.
I
just
had
a
thing
about
the
calendar
which
just
just
I'd
like
to
put
in
a
plug
that
we
at
some
point
over
the
next
year,
think
about
perhaps
moving
the
time
just
back
a
little
bit
to
accommodate.
Like
a
more
of
a
you
know,
people
who
are
don't
have
as
much
flexibility
and
work
a
full-time
job
during
the
day.
I,
don't
know
I
see,
commissioner
marwa
nodding
so
I
just
think.
That's
something
to
consider
for
the
future.
A
All
right,
thank
you.
Okay,
any
other
Commissioners
with
comments
before
we
carry
on
okay.
Is
there
anyone
else
from
the
public
who
would
like
to
comment
on
the
consent
agenda
before
we
approve
it
all
right?
Seeing
none
I
will
close
the
public
hearing
agenda
for
the
cons
public
hearing
for
the
consent
agenda.
A
Commissioners
could
I
have
a
motion
to
adopt
the
consent
items.
It's
all
moved.
A
C
H
A
I
Ey
name
is
Jim
bull
I'm,
the
manager
of
the
community
planning
section
Mr,
Singh
sulujan,
who
wrote
the
staff
report
is
out
ill
today,
so
I'm
substituting
and
we've
had
the
technology
issues
and
so
forth.
So
I
beg
that
you
be
kind
to
me
it.
It
was
hard
to
put
something
together
on
such
short
notice.
But,
as
you
know,
this
is
a
comp
plan.
I
Amendment
on
the
sixth
and
700
blocks
of
Van
Buren,
the
you
you
listed
all
the
addresses,
so
I
won't
go
through
all
of
them,
but
I
will
I
will
mention
that
the
635
and
6
13
23
projects,
which
you
are
all
aware
you
know,
are
familiar
with
over
the
past
year-
are
not
part
of
the
plan
Amendment.
I
So
this
is
this
is
the
location
slide?
Can
everybody
see
that
the
site
is
at
the
southwest
corner
of
Broadway
and
Central
and
I
know?
Everybody
is
relieved
from
what
familiar
with
that,
but
those
are
obviously
two
major
corridors
in
the
City
of
Minneapolis.
I
Central
is
also
listed
as
goods
and
services
and
is
on
the
high
frequency
transit
route.
So
the
route
10
goes
on
there
now
and
in
the
future
it
will
likely
be
an
F
line.
Well,
it
will.
You
know
it's
slated
to
be
an
f-line
route
with
a
station
at
West,
with
the
station
at
Broadway
and
Central
and
at
Spring
Street.
I
So
when
we
did
our
mapping
our
comp
plan
mapping
of
the
comprehensive
plan
back
when
we
adopted
the
plan,
we
looked
at
a
lot
of
factors
and
the
main
factors
that
you'll
see
listed
in
the
comp
plan,
our
access
to
housing,
employment,
goods
and
services,
and
production
and
processing,
and
that's
really
what
relates
to
trans
Transit
a
lot,
but
we
also
considered-
and
this
isn't
explicitly
always
listed
in
the
complement-
access
to
Parks
schools,
other
amenities,
feasibility.
I
If
there
was
commercial
future
land
use
under
it
or
industrial,
it
typically
got
a
higher
built
form
existing
uses.
That's
what
you'll
see
in
some
places
where
you
have
a
big
institution,
you'll
have
a
different
or
more
intense,
built,
form
and
some
extent
the
small
area
plans
where
they
called
for
typically
not
a
lower
density,
but
at
a
higher
density.
I
I
I
I
I
I
But
then
you
know
we
received
the
comp
plan,
Amendment
a
couple
development
projects
and
we
reviewed
it
and
I
think
as
we
reviewed
this
comp
plan,
I,
don't
think.
As
we
reviewed
this
comp
plan,
we
concluded
that
these
unique
features
could
also
reasonably
support
interior
three,
that
is
less
supportable.
The
further
one
moves
South
towards
Spring,
Spring,
Street
I,
would
say,
because
you
know
those
factors
that
we
talk
about,
that
are
unique,
are
are
less
common
and
certainly
are,
would
not
be
appliable
to
the
the
southerly
most
project.
I
I
And
so,
while
there
are
examples
based
on
those
mapping
features
that
can
you
know,
I
mean
I
should
back
up
here
a
little
bit.
You
can
see
that
different
situations
apply
that
quarter
six
in
different
ways.
You
know
where
you
have
the
industrial,
North
or
Broadway
it's
wider,
but
in
general
it's
the
parcels,
fate
fronting
on
Central
and
that
condition
is
common
on
a
lot
of
the
other
major
corridors
where
you'll
see
the
corridor
six
on
the
parcels
fronting
the
corridor
and
then
stepping
down
to
Interior
three
on
the
ones
along
the
alley.
I
There
are
lots
of
examples
where
that
doesn't
happen
as
well,
so
our
recommendation
that
this
is
a
unique
case
and
it's
reasonable
to
consider
interior
three,
and
we
do
not
believe
this
would
be
generally
applicable
to
other
Parcels
fronting
on
corridors
throughout
the
city.
I
So,
in
other
words,
if
somebody
came
to
us
on
Chicago,
where
it's
we're
on
Central,
where
it's
Corridor
six
fronting
on
there,
we
would
say
that
that
clearly
is
not
a
unique
circumstance
that
should
be
considered
so
at
that
I
will
and
again
I
apologize
for
not
being
a
little
more
polished
on
this
presentation.
I
E
I
Well,
I
mean
I,
think
that
sure
council
member
rainville,
the
unique
factors
that
we
identified
were
the
fact
that
you
have
divide.
I
I
apologize,
we
have
the
viaduct
there,
which
means
that
the
parcels
along
Central
fronting
on
Central
aren't
actually
connected
to
the
street
and
that
we
have
a
situation
where,
along
the
street,
we
have
a
open
space,
designation
and
then
the
corridor
six,
that's
not
typically
something
we
would
see.
So
it's
really
the
viaduct
and
then
this
other
land
use
designation
in
between
the
corridor
and
the
parcels
that
I
would
say
are
unique.
I
There
are
other
factors
that
were
mentioned
in
the
staff
report,
such
as
some
of
the
streets
not
connecting
through
and
so
forth,
but
I
don't
think
they're
as
as
unique.
If
that's
a
way
of
saying
it.
A
A
So
there
are
a
number
of
applicants,
but
we're
going
to
do
10
minutes
on
the
timer
for
the
applicant
team
and
then,
after
that,
any
other
residents
who
are
here
to
testify
on
this
item
who
are
not
on
the
application.
We'll
have
two
minutes
each
to
speak
and
I.
Ask
that
you
please
respect
the
timer.
A
This
is
our
stack
of
of
emails
and
letters
we've
gotten
for
this
item,
so
we
we've
already
read
a
lot
of
this
and
we'd.
Ask
that
you
try
to
avoid
repeating
things
that
we've
you
know
already
heard
from
other
people,
so
I'll
ask
the
applicant
to
please
come
forward.
J
So
it's
applicants,
I'm
Sarah,
Weber,
Jones
and
I,
drew
the
Short,
Straw
and,
and
just
said,
I'll
fill
out
this
application.
So
that's
why
my
name
is
on
it,
and
the
homeowners
and
landlords
who
are
standing
up
with
me
have
all
consented
to
this
application.
That's
the
long
list
of
addresses
that
you
have
listed
out.
J
This
is
a
picture
of
the
built
form
for
2040.,
so
first
I,
first
off
I
want
to
thank
cped
staff
for
assisting
Us
in
this
application,
because
it
is
unusual
for
both
parties.
Okay,
so
I
don't
want
that
to
get
missed.
The
2040
plan
is
not
in
danger
here.
It's
just
really
getting
the
required
closer.
Look
in
one
small
area
of
20
parcels,
the
last
two
times
that
Van
Buren
has
been
up
in
front
of
Planning
Commission.
Six
of
you
denied
a
larger
scale
project.
Commissioner
McGuire.
J
You
noticed
that
that
build
form
and
that
large
parcel
at
635
was
going
to
create
problems
and
then
the
second
time
in
October,
when
we
were
back
and
three
of
you
said
that
you
always
accept
staff
findings
and
then
in
October,
when
we
were
back,
you
said
that
you
trust
City
findings
and
need
to
take
the
recommendations.
So
I
encourage
you
to
do
that
here,
because
they
did
do
their
due
diligence
just
as
much
as
we
did.
J
If
the
transit
station
is
the
the
argument
and
the
reason
for
that
original,
you
know
Corridor
six,
then
you
know
I
give
you
this,
which
is
my
neighbor
on
Jackson
Street,
which
has
the
exact
same
distance
to
the
bus
station
as
655,
which
is
Corridor
six.
It's
the
exact
same
distance,
and
then
you
know
these
four
duplexes
one
owned
by
Johnny,
one
owned
by
a
guy
in
Hawaii
that
that
constantly
emails
me
and
says
I'm.
Sorry,
I
can't
come
but
I'm
supporting
your
efforts.
J
You
know
they're
closer
to
that
bus
station
as
well,
but
for
some
reason,
the
east
side
and
not
the
west
side
of
Van
Buren
got
a
designation
of
corridor
six,
which
means
up
to
six
stories,
an
interior
three
for
for
for
many
that
haven't
really
dug
into
the
14
districts
of
2040.
Not
you
all
kind
of
speaking
to
the
masses.
Interior
three
just
means
three
stories
and
four
or
more
units,
so
it
still
provides
incremental
density
and
that
map
that
I'm
passing
out
is
literally
a
map.
J
If
there
is
a
right
size
to
Van
Buren,
and
that's
really
what
we've
been
telling
you
all
along,
we
we
do
understand
that
there
should
be
any
increased
density
and
we're
welcoming
neighbors,
but
this
development
or
the
same
development
guidance
that
three
stories
and
more
than
four
units
is
scattered
across
the
city
and
if
those
in
opposition
of
this
amendment
believe
that
we're
opting
out
or
preventing
something
that
every
other
portion
of
the
city
that
has
this
designation
with
a
similar
built
form
must
be
anti-development.
And
we
really
doubt
that
that's
the
case.
K
Hello,
my
name
is
Jeremy
wheland
I'm,
the
applicant
from
737
Van,
Buren
Street.
So
at
some
long
ago
a
a
a
an
advocate
for
2040
had
pointed
out
when
looking
at
our
plan.
Well,
that's
odd
and
I
asked
why
and
they
said
well,
you're,
like
the
only
residential
spot
in
the
city
on
the
back
side
of
the
transit
Corridor,
zoned
Corridor
six
and
if
you
go
through
and
you
look
at
Hennepin,
Lindale,
Nicollet,
Chicago,
so
on
and
so
forth.
K
Most
of
those
blocks
are
appropriately
zoned
Corridor
six,
but
the
parallel
streets
are
not
and-
and
that
includes
the
back
sides
of
the
blocks
so
Van
Buren's
Van
Buren
Street.
This
two
block
section
is
truly
unique
in
that
aspect
and
in
terms
of
in
terms
of
access
to
public
transit,
so
I'm
down
in
the
corner,
underneath
the
wall
slash
Viaduct
depending
on
you
know
how
you
look
at
it,
and
it's
about
a
three
block
walk
for
me
to
get
to
the
bus.
Stop
because
I
have
to
walk
around
the
wall.
K
It's
approximately
the
same
distance
from
the
bus,
stop
on
50th
Street
to
the
south
shore
of
Lake
Harriet
Lake
Harriet
is
not
quarter
six,
but
we
have
the
same
walk
to
the
bus
and
we're
just
asking
for
this
to
be
an
adjustment.
This
two
block
to
better
reflect
the
rest
of
the
city
and
the
rest
of
the
2040
plan.
Thank
you.
L
Foreign
Chris
Jones
625,
Van
Buren
Street,
try
to
go
through
this
quick,
so
we
can
squeeze
everybody
in
November
1st,
commissioner
marwa
was
commenting
on
921
and
927
Marshall
Street
about
why
there
wasn't
commercial
available
in
that
building.
I
went
back
and
looked
at
it
and
planners
say
there
had
said
that
Urban
neighborhood
does
not
support
commercial
uses.
This
was
the
same
thing.
I
noticed
back
in
2019
is
that
Urban
neighborhood
and
a
quarter
or
six
building
didn't
make
sense,
because
why?
L
Wouldn't
you
put
commercial
along
a
good
in
Services
Corridor
and
that
started
the
email
with
Steve
Fletcher
conversation?
So
we've
been
in
this
conversation
for
a
long
time
and
I,
don't
think
her
question
about
that
negates
anything
about
the
2040
plan.
She
just
noticed
an
inconsistency
we
go
and
we
look
in
the
public
and
I
know.
You've
received
a
lot
of
emails
from
other
folks.
L
So
if
we
look
at
neighbors
for
more
neighbors,
they
have
land
use,
highlights
of
having
an
issue
at
Signature,
Cafe,
48th
and
Chicago
18th
Avenue.
So
they
think
the
24
plan
got
it
wrong
in
the
urban
Neighborhood
Land
Use
designation
and
they're
asking
neighbors
to
take
action
to
change
it.
What
we're
doing
is
no
different.
L
This
is
so
important
that
streets,
Minnesota
reposted
those
same
articles
with
article
names
like
chickens,
canines,
caffeine,
cafes
and
commerce,
or
18th
Avenue
in
Central,
and
a
tale
of
two
corners,
one
of
the
other
authors
from
streets,
Minnesota,
Adam
Miller.
He
stated
that
deciding
that
commercial
uses
are
incompatible
with
residential
neighborhoods
was
a
massive
historical
mistake
right.
L
Everybody
has
a
Viewpoint
that
something's
not
right
we're
taking
action
on
ours
and
then
the
last
thing
I
want
to
bring
up
Alex,
schiefer
Decker
I'm,
given
a
whole
lot
of
publicity
to
streets
and
neighbors
for
more
neighbors,
but
how
Minneapolis
could
become
a
missing
middle
housing
Factory
we
would
love
it
right,
like
Missy
middle
house
would
be
great,
so
his
culmination
was
that
we're
not
doing
what
we
need
to
do
to
have
missing
middle
housing
so
through
another
round
of
regulatory
reform,
a
more
Hands-On
approach
as
I've
discussed
above
and
preferably
both
the
city
should
refuse
to
let
a
signature
policy
achievement
sputter
out
for
lack
of
support.
L
So
these
are
people
who
are
who
are
writing
new
emails
to
tell
them
that
there
was
something
wrong
with
us
asking
advocating
for
change
in
the
2040
plan.
Our
requests
are
no
different
than
any
of
those
outlined
above
they
are
trying
to
invalidate
the
2040
plan
with
their
concern.
Are
they
trying
to
invalidate
the
does
the
slogan
more
uses
in
more
places,
not
also
invalidate
all
of
the
places
designated
as
Urban
Neighborhood
Land
Use
they're,
asking
for
a
closer
look
at
the
plan,
which
is
exactly
what
we
are
asking
for?
M
My
name
is
Dimitri
Carr
and
I'm
a
long
time,
San
Anthony
resident
where
my
family
and
I
live
at
and
own
641,
Van,
Buren
Street,
since
April
and
and
then
since
April
22
I've
consented
to
have
my
parcel
change
from
quarter
six
interior
three.
The
very
first
goal
of
the
2040
plan
is
to
eliminate
disparities.
M
Since
the
2040
plan
has
been
implemented,
it's
we've
only
seen
the
opposite
of
the
school
and
it's
been
a
nightmare
for
our
family.
So
far,
we've
spent
almost
twenty
five
thousand
dollars
in
surveys
and
lawyer
fees
for
an
easement,
so
the
development,
the
development
at
635,
Van
Buren,
wouldn't
block
our
garage
access,
twenty
five
thousand
dollars,
but
but
we
won
that
battle,
proving
that
his
development
design
is
very
questionable.
We
also
asked
for
stormwater
erosion
study
to
be
completed.
M
If
built,
this
development
will
be
a
four-story
commercial
building
that
takes
up
almost
an
entire
lot
that
dumps
all
the
rain
water
on
my
property
and
the
other
neighbor's
property.
The
yangs,
both
people,
both
families
of
color,
the
only
two
families
of
color.
In
this
application,
our
properties
aren't
designed
to
handle
rain
water
from
commercial
buildings,
and
this
will
cause
damage.
You
can
easily
disprove
Me
by
getting
a
storm
water
erosion
study.
M
Why
should
we
have
to
pay
for
this?
Developer's
mistakes
and
lack
of
experience,
which
goal
of
the
2040
plan
puts
existing
homeowners
in
lawsuits,
which
rich
with
Rich
Developers,
approving
our
comprehensive,
comprehensive
plan.
Amendment
will
not
only
help
repair,
broken
promises
made
to
our
neighborhood,
but
also
prove
your
commitment
to
some
of
the
hardest
to
achieve
goals
of
the
2040
claim.
J
A
Think
no
so
I
I
spoke
with
the
applicant
before
the
meeting
and
we
decided
that
10
minutes
was.
A
So
it
was
10
minutes
for
the
applicant
and
then
we
were
going
to
do
two
minutes
for
people
who
are
not
on
the
application.
A
So
Commissioners
are
there
any
questions
for
the
applicant
team
before
we
move
on
to
the
regular
public
hearing.
A
All
right,
I'm,
not
seeing
any.
Thank
you
so
now
I'm
going
to
open
up
the
public
hearing
to
Residents
who
are
not
on
this
application.
So
if
you
would
like
to
come
up
to
the
podium
state,
your
name
and
address
for
the
record
and
proceed
with
your
comments.
N
N
N
This
is
interior.
Three,
the
houses,
Front
Van
Buren.
A
lot
of
the
arguments
we've
heard
for
why
it
was
originally
made.
Corridor
six
was
because
it's
close
to
the
bus
stops,
as
was
pointed
out,
add
a
little
Google
blow
up
at
the
southern
end
of
the
street.
There's
a
lot
of
things
on
Spring
Street
and
a
lot
of
the
eat.
My
side
of
Van
Buren
that
are
closer
to
the
bus
stop
than
when
you
get
up
here
and
your
access
to
the
bus
stop
is
basically
a
wall.
N
N
O
Hi
I'm
Evan
Johnson
I
live
at
634
Van
Buren
Street
directly
across
from
635,
which
is
going
to
be
redeveloped
I'm
just
here
to
support
all
my
neighbors
with
their
application
to
change
the
built
form
to
Interior
three
from
Corridor.
Six
simply
put,
it
doesn't
make
sense
to
redevelop
all
these
properties
in
such
a
high
density.
I,
don't
think
our
street
can
sustain
that
amount
of
people
and,
as
it's
been
said,
these
properties
Don't,
Front
Central.
O
They
front
an
alley
that
fronts
a
park
which
then,
on
the
700
block
front
a
gigantic
wall
which
Central
is
there.
So
the
difference
between
my
side
of
the
street
and
their
side
of
the
street
is
going
to
be
drastically
different
and
doesn't
make
sense.
So
I
think
anybody
that's
here
to
oppose
the
amendment.
O
I
I
I'm
not
really
sure,
where
they're
coming
from,
because
we've
already
got
two
properties
now
which
one
of
them
being
on
the
corner
is
I.
Think
one
of
the
only
properties
that
makes
sense
that
could
be
redeveloped
because
it
is
a
larger
parcel
and
it
is
on
Central,
but
all
the
other
properties,
including
Cody's
property
across
the
street.
On
635
Van
Buren,
it's
it's
too,
it's
too
big
to
be
there
and
there's.
O
Both
these
properties
won't
have
any
low
income
housing.
So,
what's
going
to
happen
when
all
the
rest
of
the
street
is
going
to
be
redeveloped,
we'll
have
no
low
income
housing
and
basically,
what
it's
going
to
do
is
create
more
wealth
for
white
men,
so
I,
don't
think
that
the
we
should
be
having
the
other
side
of
the
street
as
Corridor
six.
So
thank
you.
P
Hey
how's
it
going,
my
name
is
Patrick
Sutton
I'm
at
843,
Summer,
Street
and
I'm.
A
renter
I,
don't
know
nothing
because
I
can't
afford
nothing.
But
what
I
can
say,
though,
from
a
renter's
standpoint,
this
proposal
is
not
to
dismantle
the
2040
plan.
It
actually
is
in
support
of
the
2040
plan.
It's
for
support
of
those
individuals
that
can't
afford
a
home.
The
Van
Buren
neighborhood
is
filled
with
multi-unit
family
housing,
triplexes
duplexes,
some
single-family
homes
and
affordable
housing.
There's
that
keyword,
affordable,
housing,
more
housing
doesn't
mean
better
and
and
you've
got
I.
P
Don't
know:
200
Flyers
there
that
somebody
rubber
stamped
from
people
in
South,
Minneapolis
and
uptown
area.
That
basically
says
yes,
it
does
well
I
live
there,
and
I
can
tell
you
that
every
year
my
rent
gets
raised
because
they
want
to
keep
it
with
the
market,
and
so
when
we
bring
in
just
apartments
or
Studios.
All
that
does
is
raise
my
rent
and
it
makes
me
have
to
pay
more
money
now,
so
that
I
can't
afford
a
duplex
or
a
Triplex
or
a
God
forbid,
a
single-family
home
okay.
P
For
me
to
afford
a
single
family
home
right
now,
I
can't
even
live
in
Minneapolis.
It
doesn't
matter
North,
Side,
South,
Side,
Uptown,
North,
Town
downtown,
doesn't
matter,
I
can't
afford
it.
My
only
hope
right
now
is
a
duplex.
Okay
and
even
those
are
15
1600,
but
at
least
if
I'm
gonna
pay
that
money
I
could
actually
conceivably
raise
a
family
there,
both
legally
and
financially.
Q
If
the
outside
of
the
Van
Buren
of
Van
Buren
Northeast
is
allowed
to
be
developed
as
quartos
Corridor,
6
District,
facing
the
even
side
of
Van
Buren
and
the
rest
of
the
neighborhood
to
be
likely
developed
under
interior
3,
District
considerations,
two
drastically
different
built
forms
will
likely
have
environmental
impacts
that,
like
those
stated
in
the
recent
court,
findings
from
Smart
growth
versus
City
of
Minneapolis
States,
identify
the
likely
environmental
impacts
of
such
intensification
as
increased
traffic
impacts.
And
already
we
have
a
problem
with
coming
on
off
of
Spring
Street
onto
Van
Buren
Street.
Q
It's
a
hazard
right
now,
I,
increased
noise
impacts,
decrease
air
quality
loss
of
the
amount
of
tree
coverage,
Green
Space,
negative
impacts
to
existing
view,
sheds
negative
impact
on
aesthetic
livability,
negative
impact
on
bird
and
other
wildlife,
habitat
adverse
impact
to
water
quality
potential,
adverse
impact
to
storm
water.
Runoff
increase
contaminant
load
to
storm
water
due
to
the
increase
in
hard
surfaces,
soil
erosion
due
to
increased
runoff,
reduced
groundwater,
recharge,
increased
water,
Wastewater
generation,
increased
potable
water
usage
and
increased
stress
to
existing
public
infrastructure,
including
the
sanitary
sewer
system.
A
H
H
H
The
notion
that
one
side
of
a
quiet
residential
street
is
designated
as
built
form
interior,
three
and
the
other
Corridor
six
seems
incoherent.
It's
like
trying
to
mix
oil
and
water.
It
simply
doesn't
work
since
we
already
have
single
family
homes
at
up
to
three-story,
duplexes
and
triplexes
on
our
blocks.
We
meet
the
requirement
for
the
2040
plan
without
the
need
of
compromising
the
Integrity
of
our
street.
R
Hello,
my
name
is
Aaron
sheiky
I'm,
a
property
owner
at
600
Madison
as
well
as
676
Spring,
Street,
Northeast
I've,
come
to
know
a
lot
of
these
neighbors
due
to
the
unique
characteristics
of
this
block
it
being
a
park.
I
routinely
meet
with
them
to
play
with
our
dogs
and
just
talk.
It's
a
really
unique
block.
The
it's
underneath
the
aqueduct
is
Viaduct,
rather
that
we
have
talked
about
this
is
I
I,
don't
have
any
opposition
to
the
2040
plan.
S
S
S
This
is
the
fourth
meeting
I've
attended
concerning
the
development
on
this
block.
I
feel
as
though
the
people
who
live
here
have
not
been
heard
at
all
through
this
whole
process,
we're
the
ones
directly
impacted
yet
I
feel
no
concern
for
our
voices
and
no
representation
by
the
different
commissions
regarding
the
impact
on
our
neighborhood.
S
S
One
of
the
reasons
is
is
that
it
should
be
a
caricature.
It's
just
absolutely
a
cartoon
of
what
this
block
looks
like
now.
I
took
a
little
drive
today
on
Central,
which
is
backing
up
and
from
here
to
Columbia
Heights.
There
are
only
three
houses,
so
we're
the
last
little
Vestige
of
a
interior
of
Northeast
Minneapolis.
This
should
be
left
alone.
S
Please
hear
what
we've
been
saying
all
along
and
sort.
This
thing
out
hear
what
we
have
consistently
been
saying.
We
want
development.
This
is
a
prime
spot
for
affordable
housing,
a
Triplex
would
be
awesome
or
a
small
three-story
building
that
represents
development
that
takes
in
more
concerns
than
just
making
a
developer
a
lot
more
money.
S
T
Hi,
my
name
is
Cody
Fisher
I'm,
the
owner
of
635
Van
Buren.
It's
building
that
apartment
building-
that's
been
mentioned
I'm
here
to
speak
against.
T
So
I
guess
you
know.
I
I
oppose
this
because
it's
bad
for
the
city,
it's
bad
for
climate
change,
it's
bad
for
housing,
Equity,
but
I
I
also
just
agree
with
Kimberly
holding
who,
at
my
project,
presentation,
the
cped
planning
manager
stated
that
this
area
was
map
Corridor
6
due
to
its
access
to
high
frequency
Transit
routes,
and
we
do
not
believe
that
Corridor
6
designation
was
a
mistake
or
a
mapping
error.
T
We
set
city-wide
goals
with
the
comp
plan,
changing
a
comprehensive
plan,
designation
that
was
painstakingly
generated
through
multi-year
engagement
process,
because
there's
a
group
of
property
owners
on
a
street
that
that
want
to
to
restrict,
what's
built
in
on
their
block
is,
is
a
bad
president
to
set,
and
it's
not
consistent
with
I
think
the
the
vision
that
that
folks
got
behind
with
the
comp
plan.
T
None
of
the
conditions
that
were
cited
by
staff
are
new
and
I
got
20
seconds,
so
I'll
in
particular,
I
would
say
if
you
do
believe,
the
elevation
change
is
unique
enough
to
justify
a
comp
plan
Amendment.
It
should
be
restricted
only
to
those
Parcels
north
of
Summer,
the
700
block,
not
the
600
block,
which
has
no
elevation
change.
It
has
handicap
accessible
routes
to
high
frequency
Transit
and
it's
much
closer
and
unobstructed
to
Central.
So
thank
you,
and
please
cite
Transit
as
a
finding
and
support
of
rejecting
thank.
U
President
Olson
and
Commissioners,
my
name
is
Alex
schiefer
Decker
I
live
at
1369
Spruce
Place
in
Ward,
7
and
I
wanted
to
speak
on
this
item
today,
because
it
raises
a
city-wide
issue,
but
first
I
wanted
to
thank
the
earlier
speaker
for
reading
my
blog.
The
purpose
of
comprehensive
planning
is
to
look
at
major
issues
of
urban
policy
through
a
wide
lens.
If
every
block
in
the
city
were
free
to
set
its
own
zoning
rules,
we
would
see
a
race
to
the
bottom,
with
property
owners
acting
in
their
own
self-interest,
to
maintain
lower
density
neighborhoods.
U
Recognizing
this
comprehensive
plans
aimed
to
set
land
use
rules
based
on
objective
criteria
and
in
support
of
City
policies
such
as
concentrating
dense
housing
in
places
with
the
best
access
to
jobs
and
other
amenities.
We
all
know
about
the
f-line
brt
and
the
only
thing
that
has
changed
in
this
block
between
the
adoption
of
the
comprehensive
plan
and
the
present
day
is
that
plans
for
the
f-line
brt
have
gotten
more
concrete.
A
quarter.
Six
designation
was,
and
still
is,
appropriate.
U
I
do
agree
that
the
other
side
of
the
block
should
not
be
a
different
zoning
but
I'm
afraid
to
say
I
think
it
should
also
be
Corridor.
Six
I
believe
this
rezoning
request
ought
to
be
seen
in
context.
You
all
know
about
the
two
apartment
buildings
that
have
been
proposed
and
approved
for
this
block.
U
So
if
the
planet
commission
does
approve
this
request,
then
I
urge
it
to
identify
a
bright
line,
limiting
principle
that
would
distinguish
this
down.
Zoning
request
from
others
that
are
likely
to
follow,
and
if
the
Planning
Commission
cannot
identify
such
a
principle,
for
example,
for
the
blocks
such
south
of
Summer
I
would
suggest
it
not.
It
ought
to
not
approve
the
application.
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
V
Hi
Commissioners,
my
name,
is
Katie
Jones
I
live
at
2219,
Bryant,
Avenue,
South
and
I'm
here
to
speak
on
this
topic
in
opposition
to
the
down
zoning
of
this
property.
I
live
in
onano,
Triplex
and
so
I
just
want
to
speak
to
the
previous
comment
about
more
housing,
reducing
or
sorry
increasing
rental
prices.
In
my
experience,
in
the
last
three
years,
when
we've
built
a
lot
more
housing,
I
haven't
been
able
to
raise
my
rental
prices.
V
I
know
I'm
just
one
data
point,
but
wanted
to
mention
that
I'm
also
an
engineer
and
my
day,
job
is
an
energy,
so
I
really
focus
on
climate
change
and
so
I'm.
Coming
at
this.
From
a
data
perspective,
the
city
has
strong
greenhouse
gas
emissions
goals.
The
state
does
as
well-
and
you
know
each
little
piece
that
we
do
is
really
or
Isha
little
piece
makes
a
difference
as
to
whether
or
not
we're
going
to
meet
those
goals.
V
So
I
think
our
Baseline
assumption
should
be
that
everyone
that
we
have
housing
for
everyone
and
with
that
assumption,
I
did
some
very
basic
calculations
using
publicly
available
data
from
MnDOT
and
other
other
Federal
places.
What
is
key
is
that
this,
the
position
of
this
block
this
blocks-
proximity
to
Transit
is
very
important.
Transit
makes
it
more
possible
for
more
people
to
get
around
without
polluting,
using
a
single
occupancy
vehicle.
Also
note
that
EVS,
although
improvements
are
not
climate
saviors
but
I
won't
go
into
those
details,
so
I
analyze.
V
What
is
better
for
the
climate,
solar
on
a
single
family
house
which
I
know
a
couple
of
folks
have
talked
about
along
this
whole
process
or
a
proposed
apartment
building
on
this
block,
some
very
simple
analysis
of
the
solar
array
output
compared
to
a
person
living
on
Van,
Buren
versus
a
suburb
or
an
excerb
looking
at
their
transportation,
emissions
and
energy
shows
that
the
subsequent
carbon
pollution
from
those
new
residents
moving
into
an
apartment
building
on
Van
Buren
would
have
a
lower
carbon
impact.
V
It's
actually
a
minimum
of
three
times
as
much
Energy
savings
because-
and
it's
so
I'm
saying
that's
minimum,
because
it
doesn't
even
take
into
account
the
Energy
savings
based
on
the
apartment
building
alone.
You
save
more
energy
as
a
part
of
apartment
instead
of
a
single
family
home.
So
overall,
I
would
argue
that
we,
our
Amendment,
needs
to
go
in
the
other
direction
and
I
urge
you
to
turn
this
down.
Thank
you
for.
W
Hey
there,
my
name
is
Risa
Houston
I
am
the
land
use
and
transportation
chair
at
the
Sierra
Club
North
Star
chapter
here
in
Minnesota
and
I.
Just
first
off.
I
really
appreciate
everybody.
That's
here
tonight
to
come
to
speak
on
such
an
important
land
use
topic.
W
I
want
to
just
say
unapologetically.
Sierra
Club
strongly
supports
the
Minneapolis
2040
plan
for
both
its
equity
and
its
climate
action
goals,
and
today
we
urge
you
to
oppose
this
amendment.
It
does
undermine
and
make
no
mistake
absolutely
does
undermine
the
Integrity
of
the
entire
comprehensive
plan
down.
Zoning
Van
Buren
will
remove
the
opportunity
for
more
people
to
live
in
a
part
of
our
city
where
people
want
to
call
it
home.
W
If
you
allow
this
amendment
you'll
be
setting
a
dangerous
precedent
to
say
no
to
Future
residences,
and
these
are
places
with
connections
to
Minneapolis,
small
businesses,
access
to
Transit
and
bicycle
facilities.
Instead
of
these
parts
of
the
city
that
are
dependent
on
carts
and
car
transportation,
and
we
all
urge
you
to
reject
the
so-called
environmental
arguments
that
evoke
a
false
choice
between
green
amenities
and
density.
We
can.
We
have
to
have
both
and
The
Way
Forward
today
is
to
say
no.
W
Thank
you
this
time
to
this
amendment,
how
we
develop
our
city
has
a
profound
effect
in
how
we
combat
the
causes
and
impacts
of
climate
change,
and
this
is
going
to
set
a
precedent
for
the
whole
rest
of
the
city.
We
don't
want
to
be
looking
at
these
amendments
for
the
next
several
years.
The
thousands
of
Sierra
club
members
in
our
city
urge
you
to
vote
no
on
this
plan
Amendment,
so
that
housing
projects
like
613
Van
Buren
are
not
prevented
for
generations
to
come.
Thank
you.
A
All
right,
I'm
not
seeing
any
so
I'm
going
to
close
the
public
hearing
Commissioners
any
discussion.
Commissioner
McGuire.
X
I
just
have
some
questions:
I,
don't
have
any
discussion
items
right
now,
but
I'm
hoping
staff
can
answer
a
couple
questions.
X
My
first
question
is:
do
comp
plan
amendments
set
any
precedent
so
if
we
saw
a
similar
conflict
Amendment
would
this
be
used?
You
know
in
that
case,
as
a
reason
to
approve
that,
or
do
we
look
at
all
of
them
alone,
because
I
know
we
heard
some
other
people.
You
know
saying
this
was
a
really
unique
situation.
So
if
you
could
just
talk
about
that,
a
little.
I
So
I
want
to
say
I'm,
not
an
attorney,
yes,
but
I
would
say
sure:
okay
Amendment
set
of
Precedence.
If
we
had
another
situation
like
this,
where
the
parcels
were
a
lot
depth
off
the
corridor
or
had
some
infrastructure
issue
and
that
in
those
combinations
it
would
be
we
we
would
look
back
and
say.
Well,
you
know
we've
done
this
before.
Does
it
set
a
precedence
that
every
time
somebody
wants
to
go
from
Corridor
six
down
to
a
lower
one
anywhere
else
in
the
city
and
any
other
spot
I'd
say
no?
Okay,.
X
Okay,
my
second
question
I
heard
someone
mention
that
you
know
a
split
re-guiding
for
some
areas
north
of
summer.
Is
that
possible
for
us
to
approve
some
of
the
parcels
and
not
other
of
the
parcels
under
this
amendment?
Or
is
it
all
or
nothing,
I'm,
just
wondering
what
our
options
are
in
approving
or
denying
today
I'm.
X
I
Y
Yes,
we
did
have
that
question
come
up
even
at
a
staff
level,
when
we
were
analyzing
the
application,
so
we
did
consult
with
the
city
attorney's
office
on
that
issue,
so
the
staff
recommendation
that
you're,
seeing
in
your
staff
reports
has
a
set
of
findings
that
applies
to
all
of
the
parcels.
It
is
possible
for
the
commission
to
parse
out
some
of
the
parcels
and
recommend
some
for
approval
or
some
for
denial.
Y
X
Y
Y
That
said,
those
projects
have
all
of
their
approvals.
They
are
not
subject
to
the
application
in
front
of
you
today
for
a
comprehensive
plan.
Amendment
and
the
action
taken
today
would
not
affect
either
one
of
those
gotcha.
X
D
Jim,
just
one
one
of
the
main
points
you
brought
up
was
the
viaduct
height
and
the
relationship
to
those
properties.
Could
you
talk
again,
I
think
to
the
issue
of
the
Southern
properties
that
don't
have
the
viaduct
impact?
What
is
the
sort
of
operation
there
in
terms
of
specific
condition
that
we
need
to
address
here.
I
Yes,
commissioner,
you
know
if,
if
I
was
getting
into
the
height
or
I
know,
the
staff
report
mentioned
the
height
I,
I
I,
don't
think
that's
necessarily
the
factor
but
I
think
it's
the
fact
that
there's
a
large
piece
of
infrastructure
there
that
makes
it
difficult
to
have
buildings
front
onto
Central,
and
then
we
also
have
that's
one
unique
circumstance
and
we
also
have
the
parcels
that
used
to
front
on
Central
I'm
sure
before
the
viaduct
was
built,
are
now
having
the
open
space
designation.
I
So
that's
the
other
unique
feature
so
I
don't
know
if
I've
got
a
good
answer
as
to
when
that
tapering,
as
you
get
closer
to
Spring,
Spring
Street
becomes
less
of
a
factor.
I
know
the
6
13
to
23
site.
We
definitely
would
say
that
that
should
stay
quarter,
six
that
touches
Central
and
even
in
the
previous
small
area
plans.
I
The
Central
Avenue
plan
and
the
Saint
Anthony
East
plan
showed
that
as
being
a
mixed-use
commercial
site,
so
I
think
we
could
Clearly
say
that
even
before
Minneapolis
2040,
we
would
have
supported
multi-family
development
there.
So
as
you
move
further
north,
you
know
you
start
to
have
that
situation
where
you
have
the
open
space
Parcels
in
between
central
and
the
the
Van
Buren
fronting
parcels
and
then,
as
you
move
north
of
I'm,
blanking
I
was
a
Summer
Street.
That's
when
the
viaduct
starts.
I
So
you
know
not
all
of
the
unique
circumstances
apply
to
every
parcel.
A
So
since
this
was
applied
for
by
the
residents
and
they
in
their
application
had
to
indicate
which
build
form
guidance
they
were
applying
for
was
their
did
they
work
with
staff
on
on
deciding
which
built
form
designation.
They
were
applying
for,
or
was
that
something
that
was
decided
by
The
Neighbors.
I
I
Y
Correct
so
the
question
in
front
of
the
commission
is
a
question
of
whether
or
not
to
approve
a
comprehensive
plan
amendment
to
go
from
Corridor
six
to
Interior
three
there's
no
option
on
the
table
for
an
in
lieu
thereof,
recommendation
it's
really
affirmative
or
not
on
the
question
that
is
in
front
of
you
and
when
Consulting
the
city
attorneys.
They
cited
a
bunch
of
case
law
that
I
won't
bother
you
with.
But
that
is
a
very
firm
answer.
D
Y
So
this
is
a
legislative
decision,
so
this
is
something
that
automatically
gets
forward
to
the
city
council
so
from
here
it
goes
to
the
biz
Committee
of
the
city
council
at
their
first
meeting
in
January,
which
I
believe
is
January
3rd.
Thank
you
Ken
and
then
goes
to
the
full
city
council
for
consideration,
after
that,
so
the
Planning
Commission
is
making
a
recommendation
to
the
city
council
on
this
item.
X
Mcguire
thanks
could
Steph.
Is
there
a
way
to
pull
back
up
the
overlay
District
map
that
we
had
pulled
up,
I'm
just
curious?
How
so
these
properties
on
the
West
Side
are
Corridor
six.
There
are
some
on
the
northeast
corner
of
the
intersection
on
the
other
side
of
Tyler
by
Cemetery
Street
that
are
also
the
same
Corridor.
Six,
designation
and
I
know
we
talked
about
how
typically
it
would
be
all
along
Central,
so
I'm
wondering
are
those
different
than
this.
Do
we
expect
a
re-guiding
to
come
forward
for
those?
X
I
J
I
Okay,
evidently,
the
neighborhood
wants
to
to
keep
a
quarter
six,
but
that's
I
mean.
I
Think
you'd
have
some
differences.
We
have
some
unique
circumstances
there,
but
I'd
have
to
look
at
what
factors
we
looked
at
when
we
did
that.
Whether
was
there
an
underlying
plan
issue
that
we
decided
to
put
court
or
six
there,
but
yeah
those
Parcels
Don't
Front
directly
onto
Central
as
well.
Z
Y
Really
yeah
I
just
for
clarification
purposes
and
just
procedurally,
this
application
is
a
bit
unique
because
it's
a
series
of
parcels
without
a
development
project
coming
in
front
of
the
commission,
but
I'll
remind
you.
This
is
I,
think
the
ninth
comp
plan
amendment
that
we've
had
so
far
under
Minneapolis
2040
we're
responding
to
and
analyzing
the
application.
That's
in
front
of
us
doing
a
city-wide
rezoning
study
to
see
how
this
would
apply
to
other
Parcels
is
a
completely
separate
process.
Y
X
A
AA
Yes,
hi.
Thank
you,
chair
I
have
a
question
for
staff
again.
You
know,
I,
think
your
your
comment
that
this
could
set
precedent,
but
also
this
is
a
very
unique
set
of
circumstances
because
of
this
via
Doc
and
how
this
this
kind
of
plays
into
this
neighborhood
and
how
they're
not
actually
funding
on
Central.
Please
just
explain
that
to
me:
I'm,
not
a
lawyer
either.
So
I
want
to
understand
how
you
know:
we've
heard
from
so
many
neighbors,
so
many
Transportation
Advocates
and
all
the
things
that
we
care
about
and
all
this
2040
plan.
AA
How?
How
can
this
not
set
a
precedent,
then,
because
I
agree
that
I
think
this
set
of
parcels
is
a
very
unique
situation
right.
There's
this
Viaduct,
that's
not
actually
fronted,
there's
a
park
there.
It
doesn't
actually
play
in
the
exact
form
that
we
think,
and
so
as
part
of
2040.
You
know
looking
at
some
of
these
concerns
and
reassessing
them
is.
Then
we've
been
hearing
this
for
almost
a
full
year
now
about
how
this
this
small
Street
in
Minneapolis
does
in
play
off
as
if
how
we,
how
maybe
the
zoning
went
forward.
AA
But
how
do
we
know
that
that
doesn't
happen
in
a
different
neighborhood
that
they
just
use?
This
example
of,
like
hey
I,
can
organize
my
10
neighbors
together
in
spot
rezone,
my
area,
and
this
becomes
like
a
giant
NIMBY
problem
that
every
we're
having
conversations
about
and
these
new
cons
these
new
comp
plan
amendments
come
through
because
I
think
that's
also
the
fear
of
this,
and
you
all
have
to
understand
as
neighbors
that
this
is
what
we
are
seeing
like
this
can.
AA
If
a
well-organized
group
of
neighbors
can
basically
rezone
their
neighborhoods,
that's
also
not
it
that's
not
great
for
com,
because
that
means
that
neighborhoods
that
are
not
super
well
organized,
don't
get
that
same
opportunity.
So
I
guess
just
help
me
understand
from
the
lawyer
side.
Yes,
this
is
a
unique
set
of
circumstances.
Yes,
the
city
found
that,
but
why
is
that
not
going
to
become
that
every
neighborhood
that's
well
organized
can
then
just
keep
spot
rezoning.
I
Thank
you,
commissioner.
Well
so
there's
a
lot
there,
but
one
thing
I
cannot
promise
is
that
we
won't
get
dozens
of
applications
from
Neighbors.
Thinking
that
there's
not
you
know,
anybody
can
apply
for
Stuff,
so
you
know
that
that's
a
possibility
that
could
happen
again.
As
Kim
really
said.
You
know
we're
trying
to
look
at
this
specifically,
so
I,
don't
really
I.
If
you
haven't
noticed,
I
really
didn't
want
to
get
into
doing
a
bunch
of
you
know
what
abouts
but
I
guess
what
I
was
trying
to
get
at
about
precedent
setting
it.
I
Let's
say
they
came
in
for
an
application
at
the
southeast
corner
of
Central
and
Broadway.
We
would
have
to
say
I
think
that
we
in
a
similar
situation
on
the
west
side
of
the
street,
considered
some
unique
circumstances.
It
would
be
difficult,
I
think
over
there
to
say,
although
I
don't
know,
because
we
would
do
an
analysis
at
that
time
and
I'm,
not
presupposing
our
crib
or
any
recommendation,
but
I
think
that
would
be
a
situation
where
you
would
say.
I
Yes,
there
are
some
unique
circumstances
there
as
well
and
when
we
considered
that
before
we
made
that
change.
However,
if
you
just
took
any
of
the
corridors,
Hennepin
Lake,
West,
Broadway,
other
parts
of
central
Franklin,
all
of
those
that
have
Corridor
6
along
them
and
somebody
said
well
our
neighborhood's
special.
We
want
to
change
it,
we
don't
like
2040,
we
do
it
all
these
other
things
that
you
you
may
hear.
I
We
would
say
well
that
that's
an
argument
about
Minneapolis
2040
as
a
whole.
It's
not
a
specific
argument
for
your
parcel
right
here
and
we're
not
opening
up
Minneapolis
2040
as
a
whole.
We're
not
debating
that
Minneapolis
2040
was
the
proper
policy
for
the
city.
We're
looking
at
this
particular
unique
mapping
situation
and
saying
there
are
other
areas
in
the
city
where
you're
one
parcel
over
or
it's
interior,
three
and
there's
some
infrastructure
here,
and
these
lots
and
a
unique
situation
that
we
don't
believe
is
generally
and
I
guess.
I
I
G
I
Does
it
we
we
have
the
engagement
I,
don't
have
the
application
with
me,
I
apologize
in
the
scramble
to
get
ready,
I
didn't
bring
that
I.
Don't
know
if
I.
Y
So
generally
comprehensive
plan.
Amendment
applications
are
unique.
Given
the
amount
of
community
engagement
that
went
into
the
2040
plan
itself,
we
do
have
a
requirement
for
a
community
engagement
plan
anytime,
someone
comes
forward
to
submit
a
comprehensive
plan.
Amendment
application.
The
applicant's
community
engagement
plan
is
in
your
packets.
What
they
did
you
know,
I.
Think
meetings
with
the
neighborhood
group
are
some.
It
depends
on.
Basically,
they
present
a
plan
and
we
say
yeah.
We
think
this
is
adequate
for
engagement
or
no,
it's
not
so.
Y
Sometimes
that
looks
like
having
a
separate
meeting
with
the
neighborhood
group.
That's
not
just
on
a
neighborhood
group
agenda.
Having
meetings
on
site,
we
require
an
actual
large
sign
to
be
posted
on
properties
that
are
subject
to
a
comprehensive
plan.
Amendments
in
this
case,
because
it's
20
some
properties
up
and
down
the
block.
There
were
smaller
signs
that
were
also
posted
on
the
properties
here.
Y
So
it
is
a
requirement,
that's
unique,
to
a
comprehensive
plan
application
process
as
far
as
what
their
plan
actually
was.
I'd
refer
you
to
the
staff
report.
If
you
want
to
have
the
applicants
come
up
and
summarize
it
even
though
the
public
hearing
is
closed,
that
would
be
an
option,
but
I'd
refer
you
to
the
plan
in
the
report.
Sure.
G
Do
they
typically
does
staff
review
the
questions
that
are
that
are
asked
for
discussion.
Y
Y
G
G
G
Would
allowing
development
over
three
stories
take
away,
affordable
housing
and
have
a
detrimental
effect
on
residents
experiencing
a
sense
of
belonging
stability
and
safety?
Do
you?
Oh?
Do
you
think
that
new
developments
should
contain
green
spaces
within
the
development
living
near
a
busy
street?
We
deal
with
vehicle
emissions
Etc.
G
How
important
is
airflow
in
association
with
air
quality
to
you,
I
I,
don't
know
about
you,
but
I
know
that
I
would
def
I
feel
I
would
definitely
respond
in
a
in
a
certain
way
to
those
questions
and
I
I'm
concerned
about
the
types
of
questions
that
were
included
in
the
engagement
and
I'm
surprised.
G
Frankly,
you
know
to
to
hear
that
these
types
of
questions
were
asked.
I
feel
like
they're
leading
questions
quite
frankly
and
I'd
be
interested
in
you
know.
That's
why
I
asked
staff
if
staff
had
seen
the
questions,
if
what's
typical
in
a
comp
plan
Amendment
with
who
does
the
engagement
and
and
the
type
of
Engagement
that's
done
so.
Y
The
application
form
for
a
comprehensive
plan
amendment
has
a
lot
of
very
specific
parameters
for
the
engagement
plan,
so
it
talks
about
the
goals
of
the
engagement
who
the
stakeholders
should
be.
So
the
applicant
gives
us
a
list
of
stakeholders.
We
look
at
that
as
part
of
the
application
and
decide
whether
or
not
that's
sufficient
methods
of
communication.
So
how
are
they
going
to
reach
out?
Who
are
they
going
to
engage
as
part
of
that?
Y
There
is
a
list
of
parameters
for
engagement
questions,
so
we
ask
for
the
list
of
questions
they're
going
to
ask
and
explain
how
they're
going
to
be
asked,
and
then
it
says
at
a
minimum.
The
questions
should
address
the
four
policies
that
form
the
future
land
use
and
built
form
map
and
then
addressing
the
four
policies
of
access
to
housing,
access
to
employment,
production
and
processing
and
access
to
commercial
goods
and
services.
Y
G
We
we
received
a
comment
today
with
some
maps.
I
received
many
comments
and
I.
Just
I
did
a
count
of
them
and
I'd
like
to
share
that
so
I
received
31
who
oppose
this
comp
plan
Amendment
and
I
received
20
that
support
the
comp
plan
Amendment.
So,
first
of
all,
I'd
like
to
say
thank
you
to
everyone
who
who
wrote
me
I
appreciate
it
with
all
the
rationale.
G
I
did
find
it
interesting
that
one
person
submitted
some
maps
that
were
to
be
shared
with
everyone
and
I
believe
that
our
clerk
Rachel
that
you
you
had
written
back
and
said
that
you
would
share
those
with
us
and
I.
Just
would
like
to
ask
where
I
mean,
because
the
packet
is
this
long.
This
long,
could
you
direct
us
to
it
since
we
just
received
this
this
evening,
it
was
I,
believe
Jenny,
Ackerman,
you're,.
I
So
I
I
received
that
comment
at
the
end
of
the
day.
Today,
I
did
forward
it
to
her
to
Rachel
and
I.
Believe
she
forwarded
on
you
where
it
is
in
the
packet
I
I,
don't
know
no.
G
All
right,
I,
don't
know
they
were.
There
were
some
maps
and
it
talked
about
having
different
types
of
corridor.
Zoning
next
to
I
think
it
was
interior
three,
but
no
I
can't
find
it.
X
I
guess
I
have
two
questions
just
again
process
wise
when
we're
looking
at
a
comprehensive
plan
amendment.
Can
you
just
talk
through,
like
staff
analysis
on
what
we
would
look
at
I
know
for
something
like
a
conditional
use.
Permit
it's
permitted
with
specific
conditions
is
a
comprehensive
plan,
Amendment
more
on
that
side
of
the
spectrum?
Do
we
look
at
it
more
like
a
rezoning,
a
variance
rate
to
meet
specific
findings,
I'm
trying
to
think
like?
Y
So
you
would
look
at
a
comprehensive
land
Amendment
similar
to
how
you
would
look
at
a
rezoning
application.
So
again
it's
a
legislative
action.
There
are
specific
findings
that
need
to
be
addressed
and
those
are
included
in
the
staff
report,
the
first
finding
being
the
extent
to
which
the
proposed
change
would
be
consistent
with
the
comprehensive
plan,
goals
and
Associated
policies.
Y
The
second
being
evidence
demonstrating
the
reasons
that
the
plan
should
be
changed,
including,
but
not
limited
to
whether
new
information
has
become
available,
since
the
comprehensive
plan
was
adopted,
that
supports
re-examination
of
the
plan
or
that
existing
or
proposed
development
offer
New,
Opportunities
or
constraints
that
were
not
previously
considered.
The
third
finding
is
the
relationship
of
the
proposed
amendment
to
the
supply
and
demand
for
particular
land
uses
within
the
city
and
immediate
vicinity
of
the
site.
Y
Number
four,
a
demonstration
that
the
proposed
amendment
has
Merit
beyond
the
interests
of
the
applicant
and
the
number
five
asks
us
to
look
into
all
the
specific
elements
of
the
plan
that
may
be
applicable,
able,
starting
with
land
use
and
built
form,
going
all
the
way
down
to
technology
and
Innovation.
With
a
number
of
topics
in
between.
X
Okay,
thank
you.
So
when
I
was
looking
at
those
findings,
I
feel
like
specifically
the
relationship
to
the
amendment
to
the
supply
demand
for
particular
land
uses
in
this
city
and
specifically
near
the
site.
So
that
was
Finding
number
three
I
feel
like
there
I
mean
we
know
that
there's
a
housing
shortage,
I
have
you
know
a
ton
of
facts
on
on
housing
shortage
and
we
have
a
lot
of
housing
policies
in
our
comprehensive
plan
that
I
can
pull
if
we
need
to,
but
I
felt
like
that.
X
One
specifically
like
there
is
a
demand
for
Corridor
6
type
housing.
Obviously,
there's
also
a
demand
for
the
existing
type
of
housing
too,
so
that
one
I
feel
like
you
could
go
kind
of
either
way
with
that
finding.
But
you
know
I
do
think
that
there
is
a
demand
for
the
corridor.
Six.
X
The
one
that
I
wanted
to
like
talk
about
with
this
commission
is
if
the
amendment
has
merits
past
the
interests
of
the
applicants,
since
we
don't
have
any
active
development
proposals
and
you
know
I'm
hearing
from
Mostly,
you
know
Property
Owners,
a
couple
renters
landlords
that
this
really
is
just
to
protect
their
existing
property.
I'm
wondering
you
know
with
the
do.
We
feel
like
that.
X
Finding
actually
fits
of
does
the
amendment
have
merits,
pass
the
interest
of
the
applicants
and
then
the
impact
of
the
amendment
specifically
on
our
transportation,
public
health
and
housing
plan,
because
I
do
feel
like
our
housing
policies
and
the
comprehensive
plan,
specifically
policy.
One
and
four
kind
of
align
more
with
the
corridor.
X
6
designation
I
could
maybe
see
like
a
split
where
the
the
wall
is,
because
that
does
maybe
it
hinders
visibility
or
access,
but
I
feel
like
those
other
ones,
it's
so
it's
so
close
to
it,
and
we
specifically
say
we
should
allow
multi-family
housing
near
public
transit
routes.
We
have
a
you
know:
a
high
high
frequency
bus
line
going
down
here
so
I,
just
kind
of
wanted
to
gauge
the
commission's
feelings
on
those
specific
findings.
A
Mcguire
I
I
agree
with
you.
I
would
be
you
know,
I
wish
we
could
say
quarter
four
or
even
even
Corridor.
Three
I
think
gives
us
more
flexibility,
but
we
don't
have
the
ability
to
do
that.
I.
Don't
think
that
the
southern
block
should
be
interior,
three,
so
I
guess
I.
Would
you
know
I
think
everyone
agrees.
This
is
really
unique,
so
I
don't
think
a
comprehensive
plan.
Amendment
would
necessarily
set
a
precedent
for
a
bad
precedent,
so
I
I,
guess
I
would
say.
A
If
there's,
if
there's
support
on
the
commission
for
a
split
decision,
saying
the
north
block
would
be
approved
and
the
South
block
would
not
I
would
I
would
support
that.
But
we
do
have
a
a
motion
on
the
table
to
adopt
staff
recommendation
with
a
second,
so
I
don't
know
if
we
want
to
have
more
conversation
about
that
or
if,
if
we're
done
with
that
conversation,
we
want
to
take
a
vote.
Commissioner
Baxley.
D
C
D
AB
Add
that
I
heard
the
applicants
in
the
respect
that
they're
not
against
the
2040
plan
that
they're
in
support
of
the
2040
plan,
and
this
does
support
the
way
I
understand
it.
It
does
support
multi-unit
housing,
just
not
as
many
units,
so
I,
I,
guess,
I'd
like
to
second
the
motion.
That's
on
the
table.
A
It
was
already
second,
but
a
second
yeah
I,
see
what
you
mean,
commissioner
rainville.
E
Thank
you.
I
would
just
like
to
remind
the
Commissioners
that,
should
this
go
to
the
council,
should
we
accept
the
staff
recommendation
we'll
be
vetted
yet
again,
and
then
it
will
be
vetted
as
well
at
the
Met
Council.
E
So
this
is
just
one
step
in
a
on
a
larger
process,
and
this
would
be
a
chance.
The
last
council
member
agreed
with
the
residents
and
said
that
he
would
change
it
from
a
quarter
six
to
a
interior
three
and
that
never
happened
so
I'm
going
to
vote
for
the
staff
recommendation
because
I
do
think
elected
officials
should
their
word
to
their
voters
is
important
and
this
would
Rectify
that
past
misdeed.
A
All
right
is
there
any
other
discussion.
A
C
E
AC
A
So
would
anyone
like
to
make
a
different
motion.
X
All
right,
you
guys
know
I
like
a
finding.
Let
me
try.
Okay
I
would
like
to
make
a
motion.
Do
we
have
to
take
approvals
if
I
wanted
to
approve
half
and
deny
half
procedurally,
should
we
take
those
as
two
separate
boats,
Kimberly.
Y
We
have
one
action
on
the
agenda,
so
we
should
do
that
as
one
motion,
but
okay,
those
that
are
being
please
don't.
Y
X
X
Well,
I'm
going
to
take
us
actually,
maybe
I'll
just
have
a
discussion
with
the
commission
before
we
make
an
additional
motion
because
see
if
how
people
are
feeling
I
think
maybe
the
the
North
End
of
the
site,
the
properties
north
of
Summer
have
a
different
issue
than
the
properties
south
of
Summer
I.
Think
the
properties
south
of
summer.
X
Are
you
know
that
one
does
like
you
said,
commissioner
Baxley
about
Central
Avenue,
and
if
the
viaduct
is
the
uniqueness
here
or
the
elevation
change,
I
think
that
that's
a
logical
break
point
I'm,
happy
to
make
findings
to
deny
all
of
it.
I
have
those
ready,
but
I'm,
feeling
I
feel
like
there's
more
of
an
interest
for
a
split
is
that
is
how.
AA
A
A
AD
I
wonder
Kimberly
I
want
to
understand
the
process
here.
If
no
action
is
taken
today,
it
was
where
we
stand
right
now.
Does
anything
go
to
the
city
council.
Y
So
I'll
defer
to
the
clerk
on
all
of
my
procedure
here,
but
if
we
are
not
able
to
make
a
motion
that
passes,
it
could
sit
in
the
Planning,
Commission
I
believe
the
Planning
Commission
can
forward
it
without
recommendation,
because
it's
a
legislative
item,
but
we
might
need
candaway.
We
might
need
Ken
for
that,
one
which
I.
Y
Otherwise,
we
would
have
to
look
at
whether
or
not
a
continuance
Keeps
Us
within
the
6120.
If
we
thought
further
discussion
was
warranted.
The
issue
with
a
continuance
is
whether
or
not
we
think
any
new
information
would
be
brought
at.
The
next
meeting,
which,
with
the
public
hearing
closed,
seems
rather
unlikely,
but
I
will
put
Ken
on
the
spot.
AD
AD
Y
AD
AE
AE
Commissioner,
I
I
would
need
to
do
some
research
because
that's
I,
that's
never
happened
to
my
knowledge
and
I
I,
don't
know
if
the
code
of
ordinances
allows
the
commission
to
not
make
a
recommendation
or
not
what
what
I
can
tell
you
is
right
now.
AE
The
way
it
stands
is
if
the
body
took
no
action
tonight,
it
would
still
be
within
the
body's
control
and
it
would
be
on
your
agenda
next
cycle,
as
Ms
Helene
has
just
said,
though,
there
is
a
timeline
involved,
so
there
may
be
some
provision
that
allows
Council
to
take
it
back
from
you,
but
I
I'm,
not
sure
if
that
exists
or
what
that
looks
like
or
if
it
just
sits
here
until
the
timeline
runs
out
and
is
automatically
approved.
I
I
can't
answer
those
questions
right
now,.
AD
Yes,
a
follow-up
question:
maybe
you
can't
answer
so
if
something
is
sent
to
the
city
council
by
this
body,
whatever
the
action
might
be,
can
the
council
then
change
it?
Yes,
absolutely.
AF
AD
A
All
right
do
you
want
to
go?
Oh
commissioner,
Baxley.
D
I
have
one
more
question
for
staff
I
I
guess
I
would
like
to
hear
again
because
this
feels
a
little
arbitrary,
but
it's
defendable,
but
why?
Y
C
D
Y
We
had
that
internal
discussion
more
from
a
procedure.
You
know
whether
or
not
it
was
within
our
discretion
to
do
that.
So
we
had
that
discussion
internally.
D
That's
helpful,
I
mean.
Is
it
it's
interesting,
though?
If
you
know,
applicants
bring
things
to
staff
all
the
time.
There's
negotiation
in
and
out
to
I
just
want
to
make
it
it's
not.
You
didn't
punt
it
down
the
road
and
say
hey,
we'll,
throw
it
to
council.
This
was
some
real
applicable
conditions
here
that
sort
of
unified
both
conditions
on
top
north.
M
A
Okay,
I
would
well
just
because
we're
talking
about
it.
I,
wouldn't
support
that
I.
Think
that
we're
not
gonna
I
think
we
I
think
we
should
take
advantage
of
our
knowledge
here
and
our
experience
and
at
least
make
a
recommendation
knowing
that
it
could
be
easily
changed.
A
Okay,
so
I
see,
we've
got
Alper.
Oh
sorry,
fayola
go
ahead.
AB
A
All
right,
commissioner,
Maguire.
X
I
would
be
happy
to
make
a
motion
after
if
this
motion
fails
to
do
a
split
guidance
and
I
have
findings
ready
for
that,
so
I'll
just
I'll,
say
I
would
not
support
no
recommendation,
because
I
think
I
would
like
us
to
make
a
recommendation.
Even
if
we
don't
all
agree,
I
think
we
are
the
ones
who
can
really
dig
into
this
and
I
think
we
understand
the
comp
plan
the
best
so
I
want
us
to
at
least
find
some
motion
to
bring
forward.
Even
if
we
don't
all
agree
on
it.
A
Thank
you,
commissioner.
Alper.
E
No,
because
no
because
I
don't
think
we
should
micromanage
the
applicants
of
the
application,
I
I
think
we
we
vote
on
it
in
its
entirety,
one
way
or
the
other
or
forward
it
to
the
city
council.
A
Up
I
would
say:
I
don't
feel
like
we
are
parsing
it
out,
I
think
we're
making
a
decision,
a
recommendation
very
decisively,
based
on
which
partials
they
are
and
where
they
are
and
what
conditions
there
are
and
what
Transit
is
available
and
what
it's
adjacent
to
so
I,
don't
think
it's
I
would
I
would
like
to
make
a
recommendation,
but
all
right
is
there
anything
else
or
should
we
call
a
vote,
commissioner?
Rainbow
I.
A
All
right,
seeing
nana'll
ask
the
clerk
to
call
the
roll.
B
S
Council,
commissioner
Alper
aye,
commissioner
Baxley,
hey
commissioner.
Yes,
commissioner
fayola,
yes,
commissioner,
Ford
all.
AD
E
A
Right
that
motion
passes
there
will
be
no
recommendation
forwarded
to
the
city
council
so
that
completes
that
item.
Our
next
item
this
evening
is.
A
Our
next
item
for
discussion
this
evening
is
item
number.
Nine
and
staff
is
Shanna
Souther.
Y
Commissioner,
Olson
Welsh
channel
is
getting
ready.
She
had
suggested
perhaps
taking
10
together
because
they're
adjacent
buildings
with
one
plan
set.
If
the
commission
is
okay
with
that,
we
would
proceed
accordingly.
A
All
right
Commissioners:
is
there
any
objection
to
taking
items
nine
and
ten
together?
No
objection
all
right.
AG
But
then
good
evening
my
name
is
Shanna
sather
I'm,
a
planner
within
cped
and
I'm
here
to
present
on
items
number
nine
and
number
10
on
your
agenda
this
evening.
Number
nine
is
the
property
located
at
2309,
Plymouth,
Avenue,
North
and
item
number
10
is
for
the
property
located
at
1254
Russell
Avenue
North.
AG
The
applicant
is
proposing
two
separate
land
use
applications,
although
many
of
the
comments
received
and
kind
of
the
presentation
of
materials
show
them
together,
but
I
want
to
just
make
a
note
that
these
are
separate
actions
and
separate
items.
Today,
the
property
located
at
2309
Plymouth
Avenue
North,
is
known
as
the
East
Building.
The
existing
property
is
the
Plymouth
Congregational
Church.
AG
That
property
was
evaluated
for
historic
significance
and
was
determined
not
to
be
eligible
for
the
historic
or
the
for
local
designation
by
the
City
of
Minneapolis.
The
applicant
is
proposing
to
demolish
the
existing
Church
to
construct
a
new
five-story,
multiple
family
dwelling.
There
would
be
38
dwelling
units
within
the
structure
and
five
off
street
parking
spaces.
AG
The
applicant
is
seeking
similar
applications
for
both
properties
as
well.
Both
properties
are
seeking
a
variance
to
reduce
the
required
front
yard
setbacks,
so
the
front
yards
for
each
of
the
properties
are
along
the
the
north-south
street,
so
Queen
Avenue
North
for
the
East
building
has
a
has
a
minimum
front
yard
setback
of
35
feet.
Although
the
property
is
Zone
Corridor,
four,
the
adjacent
property
to
the
South
is
a
single
family
dwelling
in
a
setback
35
feet,
so
that
increases
the
required
front
yard
setback
along
Queen,
Avenue
North.
AG
A
similar
condition
exists
on
the
west
building
at
1254
Russell
Avenue
North,
where
the
property
to
the
South
is
set
back,
28.1
feet
from
the
front
property
line
and
the
applicant
is
proposing
to
locate
the
structure
four
and
a
half
sorry
four
and
a
half
feet
to
the
to
the
front
property
line
along
Russell,
Avenue
North,
the
corner
side
yard
for
both
properties
runs
along
the
north
property
line
along
Plymouth
Avenue.
That
street
was
recently
upgraded
with
enhanced
bicycle
amenities,
and
that
is
a
corner
side,
yard
setback.
AG
So
for
the
five-story
structure
on
the
East,
it's
a
10-foot
setback
and
for
the
four-story
project
on
the
west
side.
It's
an
eight
foot
setback
for
the
East
Building.
The
applicant
is
requesting
a
variance
down
to
one
foot
and
for
the
west
building
it's
down
to
four
and
a
half
four
and
a
half
feet.
And
then
the
new
construction
for
both
structures
requires
site
plan
review.
AG
Staff
is
recommending
approval
of
the
requested
variances
to
reduce
both
the
front
yarn
and
Corner
side
yard
for
both
projects
based
on
the
findings.
You'll
see
in
your
packet,
but
I'll
just
at
a
high
level
describe
the
condition
for
which
staff
recommended
approval,
so
staff
found
a
unique
circumstance
for
properties
along
Plymouth
Avenue.
There's,
a
combination
of
both
multiple
family
and
non-residential
uses
that
are
located
closer
to
the
corner
and
that's
generally,
the
vernacular
along
Plymouth
Avenue
North.
AG
For
that
first
25
feet
measured,
so
there's
essentially
kind
of
a
box
here
where
the
building
is
set
back
to
match
the
structures
to
the
South
at
35,
feet
and
28.1
feet
for
the
first
25
feet.
So
this
would
be
a
condition
that
we
would
expect
in
commercial
zoning.
So
if
the
properties
were
Zone
commercial
today,
these
setbacks
would
comply.
AG
The
future
land
use
designation
for
both
of
these
properties
is
Corridor
and
mixed
use,
so
commercial
zoning
would
be
appropriate
and
is
likely
to
be
the
case
after
the
land
use.
Rezoning
study
completes,
therefore,
staff
found
that
the
proposed
setbacks
has
shown
are
reasonable
and
consistent
with
the
spirit,
intent
of
the
ordinance
and
the
comprehensive
plan.
AG
Lastly,
again
we
know
we
stated
that
the
proposed
setbacks
would
be
would
not
be
injurious
to
the
use
of
our
enjoyment
of
other
property
in
the
vicinity
and
not
be
out
of
character
again
kind
of
noting
the
street
wall
along
Plymouth
Avenue
North,
and
that
greater
separation,
where
adjacent
to
lower
density
residential
to
the
south
of
both
structures,
the
East
Building
at
2309,
Plymouth,
Avenue
North,
is
seeking
an
administrative
height
increase
to
go
from
four
stories
to
five
stories.
AG
Findings
for
that
height
increase
are
located
on
pages,
eight
and
nine
of
your
staff
report.
Today,
generally
speaking,
there
are
not
solar
energy
systems
impacted
the
properties
to
the
South
are
also
designated
as
Corridor
four,
so
they
have
the
same
built
form
overlay
District
to
the
South,
and
then
the
applicant
is
proposing
amenities
to
allow
for
that
additional
height
increase
by
providing
a
minimum
of
two
dwelling
units
at
30
percent
Ami,
so
they'll
be
affordable
at
a
rate
at
or
below
30
percent
of
the
area
median
income.
AG
Both
projects
are
also
seeking
an
far
premium
to
allow
for
greater
floor
area,
and
the
projects
are
both
utilizing
that
same
affordable
housing
allowance.
So
the
East
Building
is
required
to
provide
a
minimum
of
two
units
at
or
below,
30
percent
Ami
and
the
west
building
is
required
for
five
and
one
dwelling
unit
at
that
rate
or
lower,
and
then
the
additional
far
is
also
so.
Three
premiums
are
sought
essentially
for
the
East
Building,
and
that's
because
they
have
enclosed
the
Austrian
parking.
AG
The
East
Building
is
not
seeking
any
alternative
compliance
to
the
site
plan
review
standards.
The
west
building
is
seeking
alternative
compliance
to
the
temporary
drop-off
space
saffellers,
though
there
was
insufficient
space
and
and
not
sufficient
need
to
Warrant
the
drop-off
spaces
for
the
west
building,
and
then
there
was
also
alternative
compliance
sought
to
reduce
the
number
of
shrubs
staff
is
recommending
that
the
applicant
have
sufficient
space
to
allow
for
the
minimum
number
of
shrubs.
So
that's
a
condition
of
approval.
AG
The
Abilene
is
not
contesting
any
of
the
conditions
of
approval
and
therefore
staff
is
recommending
approval
of
the
requested
applications
before
you
today
for
items.
Number
nine
and
ten
they're
listed
recommendations
on
page
13
of
item
9
and
page
12
of
item
10
and
with
that
I'd
be
happy
to
take
any
questions.
A
Thank
you
any
questions
for
staff,
commissioner
McGuire
thanks.
A
Commissioner
Ford
did
you
have
a
okay
all
right?
Okay,
all
right,
I,
don't
see
any
more
questions.
Thank
you.
So
if
the
applicant
I'll
open
the
public
hearing,
if
the
applicant
would
like
to
come
say
something
about
the
project.
AH
Foreign
just
to
introduce
myself
I'm
James
Archer,
the
applicant
developer,
developer
and
sponsor
of
this
development.
A
little
background
on
myself,
I've
been
in
real
estate
for
close
to
20
years
13
of
those
years,
I
lived
literally
one
block
away
from
this
site.
This
development,
the
church
for
all
those
years,
I
see
that
it
was
vacant
deteriorated
and
it
was
an
eyesore
in
the
community.
AH
AH
So
that's
what
drove
me
to
pursue
an
affordable
development
with
this
particular
development.
24
of
the
units
are
at
30
percent,
Ami
and
the
rest
are
at
50,
Ami,
so
I
think
that's
39.
My
math
is
correct,
so
living
there,
knowing
it
just
seeing
the
need
for
it
is
what
has
got
me
to
this
point.
It's
been
a
long
process
going
on
close
to
four
years
now.
So
that's
all
I
have
thank.
A
You
are
there
any
questions
for
the
applicant
right.
I,
don't
see
any.
Thank
you
we'll
proceed
with
the
public
hearing.
So
if
there's
anyone
here
from
the
neighborhood
or
from
anywhere
who
would
like
to
speak
on
this
item,
come
forward
state
your
name
and
address
for
the
record.
AI
AI
I
have
many
many
reasons,
I,
don't
know
how
much
time,
but
I
will
tell
you
that
in
the
50
years
I've
been
there,
we've
noticed
changes
in
terms
of
health
and
safety
for
our
community,
particularly
our
children.
I
have
surveyed
the
other
residents
that
are
around
my
community
and
they
are
also
opposed
to
this
development.
AI
Initially
we
thought
it
was
going
to
be
just
one
building
and
when
the
developer
came
to
our
community
organization,
the
idea
was
that
it
was
going
to
be
much
higher
and
it
was
going
to
be
too
small
for
the
space
that
was
being
presented.
We
learned
that
the
original
proposal
was
rescinded
and
then
a
couple
weeks
later,
we
got
I
got
a
note
saying
that
this
developers
wants
to
continue
with
this
building.
AI
The
reason
for
the
opposition
is
that
since
I've
been
there,
the
traffic
that
comes
from
Plymouth
down
14th
continues
to
be
very
unsafe
for
our
children
and
our
seniors,
particularly
since
most
of
the
seniors
that
I
have
interviewed
are
of
the
age
of
close
to
retirement.
They
cannot
use
the
park
many
times
because
of
the
new
member
new
families
that
have
moved
in
that
have
young
children,
so
we
were
more
interested
in
having
our
Park
upgraded,
so
we
could
have
intergenerational
activity.
AI
Not
only
is
the
parking
a
problem
in
this
area
is
that
few
of
the
neighbors
most
of
the
neighbors
have
out
garages
where
they
Park
their
street
their
cars
in
the
garage
in
the
wintertime,
those
neighbors
that
don't
have
a
garage
park
on
the
street.
That
also
happens
when
there
is
time
for
the
streets
to
be
cleaned
because
of
the
traffic
that
comes
from
Plymouth
Avenue
down
14th
down
12
down
Sheridan
to
get
to
Highway
55.
It
is
unsafe.
AI
So
it's
for
those
reasons
that
we
are
opposed
and
I
have
several
residents
that
are
opposed
to
having
something
like
that
built
in
the
neighborhood.
Thank
you
for
your
comment.
I
have
one
other
suggestion
as
a
senior.
You
know
it's
nice
that
you
all
can
see
your
names,
but
it
would
be
better
if
I
could
see
your
names
and
I'd
have
to
get
very
close
to
see.
Olson
Ford
and
haven't
been
able
to
see
some
of
the
reasons
why
you
think
the
last
development
was
good
or
bad.
AJ
Hello,
my
name
is
esusena
Ortega
and
I
have
lived
in
North
Minneapolis
for
over
39
years,
specifically
in
I
live
a
few
blocks
from
where
this
proposed
development
is
being
proposed
for,
like
20
years
so
I
have
prepared
a
statement,
so
I'm
just
going
to
go
ahead
and
read
it
in
order
for
a
variance
to
be
approved,
the
variance
requests
cannot
alter
the
the
essential
character
of
the
area
or
be
harmful
to
the
use
or
enjoyment
of
other
properties
in
the
area.
AJ
Thus,
granting
these
variances
is
both
harmful
to
the
area
and
will
change
the
character
of
the
area
for
the
worse
residents
in
this
area
have
worked
hard
to
preserve
and
build
a
beautiful
community,
in
spite
of
the
city
sanctioned
redlining,
the
gang
and
drug
epidemic,
the
Foreclosure
crisis,
the
2011
tornado
and
now
the
increase
in
violence
after
the
2020
uprise.
To
make
this
a
safe
and
desirable
neighborhood.
AJ
Not
only
is
it
proven
that
variance
for
setbacks
illegal,
given
the
damage
it
will
cause
to
our
neighborhood,
it
would
show
another
disrespect,
the
city
and
the
outside
developers
haven't
developers
have
and
for
our
community.
Thank
you.
AK
Good
evening
Michelle
Johnson
I
am
a
longtime
resident
of
Minneapolis
born
and
raised
in
North
Minneapolis
and
a
property
owner
on
Upton
and
Queen
Avenue
North
I
do
support
the
Redevelopment
of
the
area
with
conditions,
I
believe
the
2309
location,
the
five-story
I'm,
raising
it
to
five
story
could
be
a
little
bit
of
a
problem
in
that
area.
On
Plymouth
there's,
it's
primarily
home
ownership
owners
on
that
piece
of
land
or
that
block,
for
instance,
and
five
stories
seems
a
little
bit
intense
for
that
area.
AK
The
other
thing,
I
would
say,
is
parking
I'm
concerned
about
the
parking.
A
lot
of
people
that
are
renting
in
that
area
do
not
have
sufficient
garage
spaces,
so
the
parking
is
always
a
problem,
especially
in
the
winter
time.
So
it's
something
definitely
to
consider
and
my
last
point
on
the
other
location
on
Russell.
AK
That
one
seems
like
something
that
should
work:
I,
support,
multi-leving
housing,
I
support,
low
income
or
affordable
housing
in
that
area,
but
I
think
the
recommendations
and
conditions
for
that
person
to
definitely
seek
out
the
approval
and
engagement
of
the
community
and
have
approval
of
that
before
they.
AK
They
can
come
forward
to
this
body
and
before
that
can
be
approved
either
in
writing
or
have
other
people
from
the
community
give
support
that
Community
is
one
that
there
have
been
residents
that
have
lived
there
for
a
really
long
time
and
our
vested
interest
in
that
community
and
I
think
that
they
should
have
a
voice
and
who
comes
into
their
neighborhood
and
who
can
build
in
their
neighborhood
and
I.
Think
that
Community
engagement
needs
to
be
a
requirement
before
they
get
approval.
AK
The
nerc
board
is
one
that
has
been
very
strong
in
that
community,
so
a
support
letter
from
specifically
from
nerg
I
think
is
a
good
way
to
do
the
pulse
of
the
community
and
see
if
those
folks
are
in
our
approval
and
supportive
of
having
somebody
come
into
the
community
and
building
that
can
Community.
Thank
you.
AL
Hello,
my
name
is
Bill
dexomer
Ferris
I've
lived
just
a
couple
of
blocks
from
this
proposed
development
for
the
last
20
years
at
25,
11,
12th,
Avenue
North,
just
today
as
I
walk
to
the
bus,
which
I
normally
get
to
work
either
biking
through
this
quarter
to
the
University
of
Minnesota
or
going
to
the
Sea
line.
I
was
reminded
once
again
of
my
a
major
concern:
I
I
should
say:
I
I
support
very
much
nerx
alternative
plans
for
this.
AL
These
spots,
I
I,
have
for
years
going
by
these
blocks,
wondered
when
they
would
be
developed
for
housing,
but
this
is
a
size
of
a
project
that
is
wildly
I
believe
out
out
too
large.
Particularly,
my
main
concern
is
parking
and
congestion,
traffic
congestion
going
one
block
north
on
Queen
and
one
block
south
from
Plymouth.
At
the
corner
of
this
project,
I
saw
once
again
today
virtually
every
spot
taken,
I
believe
mostly
by
North
Point
workers.
AL
Z
Hi,
my
name
is
Martin
smaller
I'm,
the
executive
director
of
the
Northside
residence
Redevelopment
Council.
We
are
the
neighborhood
Organization
for
the
Willard
hay
in
near
North
neighborhoods
here
in
North,
Minneapolis
I'm
just
curious.
Are
there
any
northsiders
on
this
Commission
great,
so
you're
familiar
with
the
area?
Great
nerc
understands
that
there
is
an
affordable
housing
crisis
in
the
city.
However,
bending
the
zoning
code
to
cram
vulnerable
people
into
neighborhoods
that
have
experienced
the
most
harm
at
the
hands
of
the
city
and
investors
causes
more
damage
than
Solutions.
Z
Z
However,
the
staff
report
does
not
State
any
practical
difficulties
that
would
prevent
the
developer
from
complying
with
the
zoning
ordinance
further.
The
staff
report
does
not
describe
it.
Any
does
not
describe
any
features
unique
to
these
Lots.
Therefore,
the
variants
around
setback
cannot
legally
be
approved.
The
staff
report
notes
that
there
are
varied
setbacks
along
Plymouth
Avenue.
Without
noting
that
Plymouth
Avenue
was
narrowed
in
2021
by
the
addition
of
bike
Lanes,
those
varied
setbacks
were
installed
when
Plymouth
Avenue
was
wider.
Z
Second,
granting
these
variances
for
setbacks
does
not
maintain
the
spirit
of
the
zoning
ordinance.
The
aforementioned
lots
are
located
in
a
residential
area.
Minimizing
the
setbacks
on
a
building
with
this
height
will
look
out
of
character
in
this
neighborhood
endorsed
the
nearest
surrounding
residential
structures.
Z
Furthermore,
the
purpose
of
setbacks
in
a
residential
neighborhood
is
to
assure
that
all
neighbors
can
access
light
through
their
windows
and
that
they're
they
are
allowed
their
privacy.
These
setbacks
with
buildings
of
this
height
negates
the
intended
zoning
protections
for
the
surrounding
residents
bless
you
additionally,
this
proposal,
with
its
requested
variances,
does
not
meet
the
goals
of
the
2040
comprehensive
plan.
The
first
2040
goal
The
Proposal
seeks
to
achieve,
is
to
increase,
affordable
housing.
However,
this
proposal
does
not
align
with
the
guidelines
stated
in
the
affordable
housing
goal
of
the
2040
plan.
Z
The
affordable
housing
goal
states
allowing
housing
in
areas
quote
with
access
to
frequent
and
fast
Transit,
Employment
and
goods
and
services.
End
quote:
the
proposed
location
does
not
have
frequent
and
fast
Transit,
as
listed
in
the
Minneapolis
comprehensive
plan.
Residents
who
don't
have
a
car
would
need
to
take
two
buses
to
reach
a
grocery
store.
There
are
no
businesses
in
the
vicinity
of
this
proposal
where
intended
residents
could
be
employed
further.
Z
There
are
no
goods
and
services,
such
as
a
cafe
a
grocery
store,
a
dry,
cleaner,
a
baker
or
an
auto
mechanic
that
the
intended
residents
could
visit.
Since
there
are
no
goods
and
services
in
this
area,
extending
the
setbacks,
only
crams
more
people
into
a
food
and
amenity
desert
and
would
be
poor,
City
Planning
in
an
area
of
the
city
that
has
already
been
a
victim
of
harmful
City
Planning.
Z
Aside
from
not
reasonably
meeting
the
housing
goal
in
the
Minneapolis
comp
plan,
this
proposal
works
against
comp
plan
goals,
one
four,
five,
six,
eight,
nine
and
thirteen,
given
that
this
request
for
a
variance
around
setbacks
does
not
meet
the
second
finding,
it
cannot
be
approved.
Finally,
James
Archer's
proposal.
Request
for
setback
experiences
also
does
not
meet
the
third
finding.
That
needs
to
be
in
place
to
legally
Grant
setbacks.
Z
Variances
this
finding
states
that
a
variance
quote
will
not
alter
the
essential
character
of
the
locality
or
be
injurious
to
the
use
or
enjoyment
of
the
other
property
in
the
vicinity.
End
quote,
as
previously
stated,
bike
lanes
were
added
and
sidewalks
were
reconfigured
on
Plymouth
Avenue
in
2021..
These
improvements
were
made
to
encourage
walking
and
biking
but
made
Plymouth
Avenue
more
narrow.
Z
Approval
of
these
variances
will
reduce
and
remove
the
sight
lines
and
create
a
blind
spot
blind
corner
for
approaching
cars,
impeding
a
driver's
ability
to
see
bikers
and
pedestrians,
while
simultaneously
adding
63
new
residents
to
the
intersection
will
be
coming
and
going
clearly.
Approval
of
these
variances
will
be
injurious
to
the
community
and
alter
the
character
of
the
area
by
transitioning,
this
area
of
Plymouth
from
being
calm
and
accessible
to
bikers
and
pedestrians
to
one
that
is
unsafe
and
congested.
Z
A
building
of
this
height
at
these
setbacks
will
dwarf
surrounding
structures
in
overwhelm
pedestrians
and
cyclists,
leaving
them
to
feel
like
they
are
passing
a
real
life
Transformer.
In
conclusion,
the
developer
has
not
presented
a
rationale
for
variances
that
meet
a
single
finding.
That
would
necessitate
varying
the
zoning
code.
Therefore,
these
requests
cannot
legally
be
approved.
Z
The
last
thing
I
would
like
to
say
is:
it
is
really
disconcerting
to
hear
that
there
are
certain
members
of
this
commission
that
just
approve
applications
based
on
city,
the
city
recommendation.
That
would
be
exactly
how
redlining
happened
with
those
same
people
just
co-signed.
Redlining
I
would
encourage
all
of
the
members
of
the
commission
to
think
for
themselves
and
read
all
the
materials
nurse
materials
start
on
page
I.
Think
55
of
this
application
and
I
think
all
of
that
information
should
be
reviewed
by
all
of
the
members.
Thank.
AM
Good
evening
Commission,
my
name
is
Crystal
Porter
and
I'm.
The
executive
director
of
MN
renewable
now
that
connects
low-income
community
members
to
renewable
energy,
Energy
Efficiency
and
water,
sensitive
Urban,
Land,
Design
opportunities,
I'm,
also
resident
of
the
Willard
hay
neighborhood
I
live
on
Thomas
Avenue,
looking
at
the
Minneapolis
climate
action
plan
of
2013,
which
is
outdated.
Yet,
thankfully,
it's
being
worked
on
currently
under
Section
7
and
reducing
water.
AM
Our
wastewater
treatment
impacts
our
goal
as
a
collective
in
this
city
is
to
explore
options
for
expanding
the
use
of
water
conservation
measures
in
public
and
private
buildings
under
policy
74
of
the
2040
plan
under
integration
of
water
management
into
development
it
has
written.
The
city
must
continue
to
prevent
contaminants
from
entering
the
groundwater
to
protect
the
water
from
intentional
or
accidental
pollution.
This
requires
incorporating
Water
Management
Systems
into
new
development
into
streetscape
infrastructure
and
into
parks
and
Open
Spaces,
decreasing
setbacks
by
even
five
feet
would
increase
storm
water
runoff
by
over
1500
gallons.
AM
Every
time
it
rains
there
are
requirements
when
it
comes
to
setbacks
in
every
development
plan.
Currently,
this
development
plan
is
asking
for
reduction
in
setbacks
overall.
In
order
to
fit
more
units
into
a
structure
to
increase
the
revenue
because
of
this
I
am
currently
asking
the
commission
to
not
recommend
this
plan
to
our
city
council
and
please
do
not
approve
the
variance
one.
AM
AM
If
you
go
outside
of
City
of
Minneapolis
and
you
go
to
Robbinsdale
and
go
around
North
Memorial
Hospital,
you
can't
find
a
parking
spot
for
blocks
away
from
that
health
facility,
because
the
neighborhood
was
was
protected
and
in
our
community
you
can't
find
parking
anywhere
around
that
area
already
as
it
is,
I
do
not
oppose
the
the
idea
of
building
more
low-income
housing.
I
do
not
oppose
the
idea
of
creating
more
housing
for
our
community.
AM
AC
Hello,
I'm
Fred,
Olsen
I
live
at
1221
Russell
Avenue
North
I've
been
a
block.
Club
I've
lived
there
since
1977.
I'm
about
half
a
block
south
of
the
west
building
as
I
say,
I've
been
a
block
club
for
many
years.
I
also
happen
to
as
a
block
Club
service
go
around
in
door
knock
when
people
forget
to
move
their
car
and
we
have
lots
of
parking.
It's
true
that
just
north
of
us
on
Queen
there's,
it's
always
a
parking
problem
because
of
North
Point
but
south
of
it
I.
Don't
think
that's
the
case.
AC
Let's
see
a
couple
of
other
points,
it
was
commented
that
there
isn't
good
Transit.
We
are
that
site
is
two
blocks
from
the
sea
lion
of
stop
at
Plymouth.
So
I,
don't
understand
that
comment
at
all.
Setback
across
the
street
Homewood
Studios,
Plymouth,
Studios
and
the
church
directly
across
the
street
are
all
adjacent
to
the
sidewalk
I,
as
I
recall
at
the
presentation
that
nerk
just
before
covid
so
that'd
be
two.
Three
years
ago,
it
was
commented
that
people
in
these
apartments
were
expected
not
to
own
cars.
AC
Is
there
any
way
to
enforce
that
and
because
it
in
indeed,
the
number
of
units
proposed
is
of
concern
because
it
just
seems
like
a
lot
but
they're
small
units,
so
the
number
of
people
and
so
on
would
be
proportionately
smaller,
so
anyway,
I'm
I'm
generally
in
favor
of
this
proposal.
Although
I
am
somewhat
concerned
about
the
total
number
of
units.
AN
Hi,
my
name
is
Shawna
O'brien
I
live
at
1245,
Queen
Avenue,
which
is
one
house
removed
from
one
of
the
buildings.
I
agree
with
Martine,
and
what
my
other
neighbors
have
said.
I
just
wanted
to
add
that
I
have
several
issues
with
the
proposed
setbacks
variants
and
the
biggest
one
is
regarding
safety,
which
we
I
know.
We've
already
heard:
I
live
on,
Queen
Avenue
and
I
bike
and
I
walk
and
I
drive,
so
I
know
these
streets
really
well.
AN
Plymouth
Avenue
has
already
been
narrowed
with
the
addition
of
the
protected
bike
lane
running
parallel
to
the
sidewalk.
So
in
addition
to
pedestrian
traffic,
we
now
have
cycling
traffic
more
heavily
than
we
ever
have.
Reducing
the
setbacks
to
three
feet
on
Queen
and
to
one
foot
on
Plymouth
will
absolutely
reduce
visibility.
AN
AN
Cars
will
be
forced
to
pull
into
the
sidewalk
Crossing
to
see
traffic
coming
down
the
street
I.
Actually
drove
down
my
alley
today
and
just
double
checked
that
if
there
are
buildings
built
to
those
setbacks
which
are
marked
I
have
to
pull
into
that
sidewalk
and
almost
into
the
bike
lane
before
I
can
see
what's
happening
with
traffic
there
and
that's
very
dangerous,
so
I
believe
it
would
be
irresponsible
to
build
a
structure
of
this
size
so
close
to
sidewalks
and
bike
Lanes
I.
AN
AO
Hello,
my
name
is
Asher
gavsi
I
I
am
the
President
of
Property
Solutions
and
services.
We
manage
1200,
affordable
units
inside
the
494
694
Loop.
We
manage
for
the
City
of
Minneapolis
and
their
ESP
properties.
We
also,
we
also
manage
Homewood
Apartments,
which
nerc
is
a
partner
in.
AO
AO
So
I
think
the
LA
you
know,
I
think
the
most
important
thing
that
really
needs
to
be
discussed
is
the
30
Ami
units
that
is
part
of
the
Hennepin
County
consume
of
care
plan.
That's
part
of
the
city
of
minneapolis's
plan
for
him
to
size
and
scale
a
building
with
that
many
units
is
very
difficult
and
is
not
really
been
able
to
be
replicated
that
much.
AO
We
all
there's
a
housing
crisis
and
we
we
need
deeply
affordable
units
everywhere,
not
just
in
North
Minneapolis,
not
just
in
Minneapolis
and
so
I'm
I'm.
For
this
variants.
A
AP
Hi
thank
you
for
having
us
here
tonight
and
discussing
this
development.
My
name
is
Luis
savoyski
I
work
at
Landing
group.
We
are
affordable,
housing,
Consultants
based
out
of
the
Twin
Cities.
We
have
been
working
with
James
on
this
development.
Since
the
beginning.
AP
At
this
point
we
are
the
city
and
county
combined,
have
about
7
million
into
the
deal,
and
we
will
get
additional
city
funding
in
the
form
of
four
percent
tax
credits,
bonds
and
tax
increment
financing.
So
this
development
clearly
checks
the
boxes,
checks
the
boxes
that
the
city
and
county
really
want
to
see
and
I
think
further.
It's
worth
recognizing
that
this
is
more
of
a
mission-driven
development
than
a
profit
driven
development.
AP
AQ
Hi,
my
name
is
Kirsten.
I've
lived
in
the
neighborhood
just
blocks
from
where
Mr
Archer
is
trying
to
put
these
buildings
for
25
years.
I
think
that
I
want
to
make
clear
that
we
we
don't
oppose
like
affordable
housing
and
these
structures,
our
our
structures
for
affordable
housing.
It's
just
that.
I
think
that
when
you
do
something
like
this
community
needs
to
be
a
part
of
it
to
understand
where
we
live
and
how
we
live,
and
just
that
we
really
care
about
where
we
live.
AQ
We
know
that
this
has
been
done
in
other
parts
of
the
city
not
too
far
from
us,
and
we
look
at
it
now
and
we
see
that
there
are
just
only
Section
8,
it's
all
section,
eight.
It
was
supposed
to
be
this
whole.
You
know
tiered
whatever
living,
but
it
ends
up
just
all
being
Section
8,
and
we
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we
watch
out
for
our
elders
and
for
people
that
we
know
that
might
be
able
to
afford
these
these
these
places
as
well.
So
thank
you.
A
Oh
okay,
sorry
I
thought
he's
walking
to
Podium
all
right
I'm,
not
seeing
anyone
so
I
will
close
the
public
hearing
Commissioners
any
discussion.
Or
would
anyone
like
to
make
a
motion.
AR
Yeah
hi
can
I
just
get
an
update
from
the
applicant
team
about
the
community
engagement
that
happened
around
this
project.
AH
Yes,
this
was
presented
in
person.
Three
nine
2020
brought
in
site
plans.
It's
pretty
much
the
same
development
today
that
it
was
was
then
I
provided
an
update,
9
12
2020
to
inform
people
in
the
community
at
nerc
of
the
funding
commitments
and
that
the
project
was
moving
forward
and
there
was
a
North
Point
and
it
should
be
in
your
packet
has
signed
a
letter
of
support.
They
have
a
no-cost
food
shelf
there.
They
have
a
cafe
and
Bistro
I
assuming
Newark
the
neighborhood
knows
us.
AH
This
hat
was
a
word.
The
senior
set
aside.
This
is
going
to
be
marketed
for
seniors.
Two
seniors
in
the
community.
I've
had
a
number
of
discussions
with
people
in
the
community
that
this
was
a
need.
I
have
a
letter
from
a
letter
of
support,
that's
also
in
your
packet
from
George
Roberts
that
has
a
breakdown
of
you,
know,
kind
of
the
timeline
and
that
he
was
supportive
of
it
with
more
information
that
you
could
find
in
your
package.
So
there's
been
a
fair
amount
of
Outreach
over
the
years
and
living
there.
AA
I
feel,
like
we've
just
heard
from
a
number
of
neighbors,
that
there's
been
a
lack
of
committee,
engagement
or
kind
of
being
part
of
the
process
or
hearing
about
it
and
also
I.
Think
just
the
letter
from
nerk
kind
of
outlining
a
lot
of
you
know:
they're
they're.
Obviously
a
supporter
of
this
type
of
housing
existing
and
wanting
to
see
this
type
of
Housing
and
I.
Think
I'm
just
trying
to
understand.
Where
is
that
discrepancy
facing
from
what
we're
hearing?
And
then,
where
is
that
newer,
clutter
coming
from.
AH
AS
AH
Lived
there
for
13
years,
like
literally
right
down
the
street,
the
other
pieces
is
saying
that
there's
no
access
to
food,
it's
the
food
desert,
there's
a
cafe
coming
in
right
across
the
street,
so
there's
some
of
these
things
I
mean
I,
think,
ultimately,
what
it
comes
down
to
they
can
tear
me
down
or
whatever
the
case
is,
but
it's
really
about
the
people
that
this
building
is
going
to
serve,
and
this
is
relatively
small
amount
of
people
that
you're
hearing
from
but
I
think
the
bigger
picture
is,
is
that
this
is
going
to
serve
people
in
the
community
and
there's
there's
a
need
for
it.
AH
So
I
mean
I.
Could
let
me
look
at
the
letter
and
see
what
else
there
is
yeah?
It's
there's
some
complaints
from
Dirk
about
crime
and
stuff
I
mean
I,
just
I,
don't
know,
I
think
when
it
would
look
at
my
reputation
and
what
I've
done
and
kind
of
look
at
some
of
the
other
things
that
are
going
on,
I
mean
I.
Think
I
mean
there's
another
discussion
to
be
had
about
nerc
and
in
general,
so
I
can
any
other
questions.
I
can
also
answer
I.
AA
AH
AR
AA
Shannon
I
have
a
quick
question
about
quarter
four.
Why?
At
a
project
of
like
the
size,
is
there
no
commercial
space
included?
Is
that
not
allowable
in
Corridor
four
or
is
there?
Is
that
a
choice
of
the
applicant
I?
Guess
just
walk
me
through?
Why
that
Frontage
on
Plymouth
has
no
commercial
space.
Sure.
AG
Thanks
very
much
for
the
question,
commissioner,
president
Olsen,
so
the
future
land
use
designation
for
these
properties
would
lend
itself
to
quarter
mixed
use
to
commercial
zoning
in
the
future.
But
today
it's
zoned
R4.
So
in
order
to
authorize
a
mixed-use
building
or
a
sole
commercial
use,
the
applicant
would
have
to
obtain
consent.
AG
Signatures
with
for
Pro
from
Property
Owners
within
100
feet
of
the
property
in
at
least
two-thirds
of
them
would
have
to
agree
to
rezone
the
property
to
commercial
before
they
can
even
apply
so
right
now,
the
city
is,
in
the
middle
of
the
land,
use
rezoning
study
to
align
our
primary
zoning
district
with
the
comprehensive
plan.
So
we
anticipate
that
happening
in
2023
I,
believe
you
had
a
recent
presentation
from
my
colleagues
in
code
development
at
our
one
of
your
community,
of
the
whole
meetings.
AG
So
as
far
as
requiring
commercial,
however,
the
future
land
use
designation
here
is
not
a
designation
such
as
destination
mixed
use.
That
would
require
some
type
of
ground
floor,
active
use
or
retail.
So
in
the
future
we
anticipate
commercial
zoning.
Here,
it's
not
there
today,
right
now,
it's
zoned
R4,
which
allows
for
multi-family
residential
dwellings
and
that's
what's
before
you
today
in
the
future,
with
a
commercial
zoning.
Could
they
propose
the
same
development?
AG
G
I
would
like
to
make
a
motion
can
I
do
that
at
this
point
sure,
and
then
we
people
can
discuss
to
the
motion
I'd
like
to
make
a
motion
to
adopt
staff
findings
related
to
items
nine
and
items
item,
10,
item
9
and
item
10.
A
All
right
is
there
a
second
all
right.
We
have
a
motion
in
a
second
any
discussion.
X
Okay,
I'm
gonna,
Soap
Box
a
little
so
sorry
in
advance,
because
this
is
my
neighborhood
and
typically
people
from
North,
as
we've
seen,
people
from
South
and
Northeast
have
a
lot
of
time
to
come
out
and
come
to
these
meetings
and
fight
people
and
I'm
really
happy
to
see
all
of
you
here
tonight
and
I
appreciate
you
taking
time
out
of
your
day
to
come
here
and
sit
here
for
hours
at
this
point,
and
that's
just
one
thing
on
a
flag
for
the
commission.
X
Is
that,
like
these
items
typically
stay
on
consent
and
we
don't
discuss
them
because
the
neighborhoods
with
the
most
power
in
the
most
free
time
on
their
hands,
get
their
items
discussed
and
bettered
which
I
just
feel
like
is
inherently
a
problem.
X
I
have
to
drive
like
10
minutes
to
a
grocery
store
or
take
two
buses,
as
someone
mentioned
and
I
think
we
need
to
look
at
our
rezoning
study
about
requiring
commercial
or
amenities
or
something
here
and
not
just
like
activating
the
ground
floor
and
I
really
I'm
off
the
Commission
in
January.
So
I
really
urge
the
commission
to
look
at
that
in
the
rezoning
study.
X
That's
not
really
I
mean
this
project,
it's
site
plan
review
and
a
variance,
and
we
have
very
little
discretion
with
site
plan
review
and
the
variances
I
I
think
do
make
sense
in
this
situation.
They
I
think
they
meet
the
character
of
the
neighborhood.
So
those
are
our
kind
of
under
our
purview,
but
I.
Think
a
lot
of
like
larger
issues
were
brought
up
here.
X
Is
that,
like
in
our
site
in
our
development
projects,
North
Minneapolis
gets
forgotten
all
the
time
because
people
don't
because
people
don't
have
time
to
come
here
and
complain
at
4
30
because
they're
at
work,
and
it's
really
far
and
it's
hard
to
get
to
like
it
just
is
so
I
think
we
need
to
like
give
North
Minneapolis
a
special
focus
in
our
development
review
and
I
wish.
X
There
was
like
a
dedicated
planner
for
North
Minneapolis,
specifically,
so
people
knew
who
they
could
go
to
and
like
build
a
relationship
with
the
community
I
think
that
would
really
help
if,
especially
with
someone
who
lived
in
North,
Minneapolis
and
I.
Just
really
thank
you
guys
for
being
here.
I
think
the
project
makes
sense
with
what
we
look
at,
but
I
think
you
all
raised
a
lot
of
separate
issues
that
I
really
hope
this
commission
can
tackle
in
the
future.
So
thank
you.
A
Okay,
upper
next
sorry,
faila.
Sorry,
thanks.
AB
Thank
you.
I
just
have
a
question
for
staff
regarding
the
variances,
since
it
seems
like
a
pretty
hefty
to
go
from
I
didn't
write
it
down.
I
lost
my
note,
but
so
what
are
the
practical
difficulties
that
were
considered
to
have
the
variances?
Be
that
large
for
the
setbacks?
Specifically?
Thank
you.
So.
AB
And
the
reason
I'm
asking
I
guess
isn't
just
for
no
reason.
It's
because
I
heard
from
one
of
the
neighbors,
because
the
road
has
been
accommodates
now
accommodates
a
bike
path
and
coming
out
of
the
alleys.
The
setbacks
will
there's
a
concern
with
the
visibility
which
becomes
a
safety
issue
and
that's
why
I'm
asking.
AG
AG
To
the
front
of
the
single
family
dwelling
to
the
South,
this
zoning,
District,
Corridor,
4
or
built
for
the
corridor
four
built
form
overlay
has
a
15
foot
setback,
so
the
setback
increases
because
the
neighbor's
house
is
set
back
an
additional
20
feet
so
that
minimum
front
yard
setback
applies
to
the
whole
property.
So
you
can
just
kind
of
picture.
Nothing
is
allowed
within
that
area.
That
is
structure.
AG
AG
So
the
staff
analysis
identifies
that
this
building
form
is
consistent
with
the
other
building
forms.
Similarly,
along
Plymouth
Avenue,
where
we
see
reduced
setbacks
for
multi-family,
residential
and
non-residential
structures,
and
so
that
is
the
Practical
difficulty
that's
applied
here-
is
the
location
of
the
adjacent
dwellings
to
the
South,
particularly
for
the
front
yard,
and
that
street
wall
condition
along
Plymouth,
Avenue
North.
G
Thank
you,
I
guess,
I've
is
a
was
a
nerc
letter
of
support,
a
requirement
or
for.
AG
This
in
order
to
make
hourly
induce
application
before
the
City
of
Minneapolis,
the
applicant
is
only
required
to
notify
the
neighborhood
association
of
the
applications
they
intend
to
apply
for.
So
in
this
case,
the
applicant
met
with
the
neighborhood
association
and,
as
you
know,
there
there's
been
long
conversations
with
between
the
developer
and
and
with
the
neighborhood
association.
So
that
is
not
a
requirement
in
order
to
deem
an
application
complete
to
forget
to
this
Commission.
G
Thank
you
for
that.
I
do
have
a
question
for
the
applicant
I'm
curious.
You
know,
I
we've
heard
comments
tonight
about
parking
about
traffic
and
I
I.
Think
it's
notable
that
your
you
know,
you're
following
the
code
in
terms
of
parking
and
I
just
wanted
to
ask.
If
you
had
considered
the
residential
transit
pass,
offering
this
that
you're
building
it's
14
a
month
per
person
per
unit.
G
Excuse
me,
and
certainly
you
would
have
the
minimum
number
of
required
units,
because
you
have
more
than
10
units.
Is
that
something
you've.
AH
Thought
about,
oh
I
could
wear
in
cigarettes.
We
haven't
looked
in
terms
of
because
there
is
the
bus,
Rapid
Transit,
that's
like
200
feet
away
from
here.
So
that
is
something
that
we
could
potentially
look
into.
The
other
thing,
though,
is
with
the
traffic
so
I
one
or
a
couple
people
had
mentioned.
You
know
where
the
stakes
are
in
the
ground,
like
you
know,
in
terms
of
setbacks
and
visuals,
so
they
mean
coming
in.
AH
G
AH
Answer
in
the
transit
pass
yeah
we
haven't
looked
into
that
as
of
yet
I
mean
that's
something
we
can
explore
I.
This
is
the
first
time
I've.
AH
So
with
the
stakes
that
are
in
the
ground
that
was
actually
just
I
was
just
meeting
the
statutory
requirements
for
posting
this
meeting,
so
that's
actually
not
where
the
building
is
going
to
go,
so
they
think
I
think
some
people
think
those
are
survey
Stakes
where
the
building
is
going
to
be
built
is
because
it's
at
the
corners
of
the
property
right
now
so
they've
been
driving
by
there.
They
think
the
building
is
going
to
get
built
there,
which
that's
not
going
to
be
the
case
Okay,
where
it's
posted.
G
Thank
you
very
much.
I
I
did
want
to
ask
Shanna
one
more
question:
traffic
or
Public
Works
reviews
these
applications
right.
For
you
know
some
of
the
issues
of
sight
lines
and
traffic.
Our
City
of
Minneapolis
staff
are
looking
at
these
applications
for
these
types
of.
AG
Issues:
okay,
as
part
of
the
development
review
process,
we
have
an
application
type
and
a
process
called
preliminary
development
review.
So
the
applicant
prior
to
coming
to
the
commission
does
a
initial
submission
and
those
so
that
project
is
evaluated
and
comments
are
given.
And
if
the
project
is
approved
by
the
Planning,
Commission
or
City
Council
on
appeal,
then
they
come
back
and
resubmit
and
they
would
adhere
to
any
comments
that
are
required
in
addition
to
any
conditions
of
approval
that
could
be
placed
on
an
approval.
G
Thank
you
and
I
I,
just
I'm
wondering
you
know
we
have
certain
permit
parking
districts
in
the
city.
Is
that
something
that
neighbors?
Can
you
know
if
they're
interested
in
pursuing
that?
Is
that
something
who
could
they
get
in
touch
with
if
they
would
like
that
I.
AG
Believe
that
the
critical
parking
program
is
still
something
available.
Essentially
what
happens
is
a
group
of
property
owners
and
neighbors
within
a
certain
area
will
petition
for
that
critical
parking
area,
but,
as
of
note,
anyone
who's
a
resident
would
be
able
to
apply
for
that
critical
parking
permit.
AG
So
any
of
if
these
projects
were
approved
and
we'll
just
say
one
per
dwelling
unit
that
63
people
would
be
able
to
apply
for
the
same
permit
as
anyone
who
already
lives
in
the
neighborhood
plus
visitor
passes,
and
so
it
ends
up
becoming
just
to
note,
as
that
it
it
becomes
a
cost
baired
upon
those
who
both
live
there
now
and
then
in
the
future,
including
their
their
visitors
for
to
park
on
street
during
certain
periods
of
time,
that's
generally
how
it
works.
Thank
you
thanks.
So
much.
AD
Wait
would
you
mind
if
I
asked
if
you
want
to
follow
up
with
one
question
there,
if
you
don't
mind,
excuse
me,
you
said
that
I
think
you
said
that
the
owners
could
apply
to
create
a
critical
area.
AD
I
don't
mean
applying
for
a
permit,
I
mean
about
for
the
creation
of
the
this
area.
Yeah
so
I
mean
can
I
can
neighbors
who
rent
petition
for
that
creation
too.
I.
A
All
right,
commissioner,
rainville.
E
Thank
you,
madam
chair
commissioner,
elpers
I,
just
in
the
spirit
of
our
our
head
clerk,
Casey,
Carl,
you're
cutting
off
because
you're
grabbing
the
mic,
and
these
are
not
designed
to
do
that.
If,
if
he
saw
you
doing
that,
he
would
fall
over.
G
AA
Yeah
I
just
had
a
follow-up
for
Shanna
real
quick.
If
you
can
help
explain
to
our
North
Side
neighbors
how
they
could
make
the
critical
parking
area
designation
happen
because
I
think
what
we
heard
is
that
it
sounds
like
North
Clinic
is
the
one
that
is
parking
a
lot
of
the
neighborhood.
So
if
there's
a
way
for
them,
just
kind
of
walk
through
that
process
again
of
how
does
this
neighborhood
can
collectively
get
those
parking
passes?
I.
AG
Will
not
claim
to
be
an
expert
first
on
critical
parking,
but
I
can
give
you
a
little
bit
of
history
on
on
parking
in
the
area,
because
I
was
the
assigned
planner
for
what
was
formerly
known
as
the
Thor
building
is
now
the
1256
building
and
the
number
of
parking
spaces
that
were
allocated
within
that
building
with
the
intent
of
supporting
the
non-residential
uses
within
the
area,
including
North,
Point
and
Hennepin
County.
So
there's
also
a
number
of
parking
spaces
that
were
approved
as
part
of
the
North
Point
expansion
on
premises.
AG
I
think
that
there's
also
there's
a
that
project
is
under
construction
today
as
well,
so
I
think
that
there's
a
lot
of
change
occurring
and
then
lastly,
also
the
Estes
Funeral
Home
was
also
redeveloped
nearby
the
site
to
provide
a
substantial
off
Street
parkings
area.
There
is
no
minimum
off-street
parking
required
for
any
land
use
in
the
City
of
Minneapolis.
AG
Recognizing
the
concerns
related
to
parking
is
difficult
to
tie
to
a
finding
from
a
staff
perspective.
Certainly
the
Planning
Commission.
You
are
the
decision
makers
for
today's
public
hearing
items,
but
as
far
as
establishing
a
critical
parking
area,
I
would
have
to
defer
any
anyone
here
today,
who's
interested
in
pursuing
that
to
the
public
works
department,
and
they
their
website
is,
is
pretty
great
when
it
comes
to
looking
up
this
kind
of
information.
A
X
Just
on
the
note
on
the
motion,
I
do
think
the
variances
make
sense
in
this
situation.
I
think
the
site
plan
makes
sense
in
this
situation.
However,
we
have
tabled
multiple
projects
recently
for
not
doing
community
engagement
and
since
they
haven't
reached
out
to
the
neighborhood
since
2020
I
feel
like
we
should
give
them
an
opportunity
to
meet
with
the
neighbors
and
kind
of
see
what
they
can
do
to
improve
the
project
income
back
to
us.
X
A
A
All
right:
well,
we
have
a
motion
on
the
table
to
adopt
staff
recommendation.
Is
there
any
other
discussion
all
right,
seeing
nonetheless,
the
clerk
to
please
call
the
roll.
AD
E
B
Chair
Olson,
aye,
sorry
plus
AAS
and
one
nay,
all.
AB
I'm,
sorry,
no
I
just
want
to
support
what
Chloe
said
and
yes,
we
just
voted
for
staff
recommendations,
but
we
would
ask
and
I
hope
and
really
encourage
you
to
please
go
back
and
talk
to
the
neighborhood,
because
it's
more
than
just
a
building.
It's
a
community
thanks,
great
Construction.
A
All
right,
it's
been
brought
to
my
attention
that
there
may
not
be
any
residents
here
for
item
number
15..
So
is
there
anyone
here?
There
is
okay,
excellent
I'm
glad
we
didn't
make
people
wait
around
for
no
reason.
Okay!
A
So
let's
see!
Our
next
item
is
item
number
13.
A
Okay
Commissioners:
would
everyone
be
okay,
with
five
minute
break
any
opposition
all
right,
we're
gonna,
Peter,
we're
gonna,
take
a
five
minute
break
all
right
foreign.
AF
AS
AF
Good
evening,
Commissioners
Peter
Crandall
senior
planner
with
cped
land
use.
Thank
you
for
your
time
tonight
and
patience.
I'll
try
to
be
as
brief
as
possible
here.
The
next
application
before
you
is
located
at
5009
Beard
Avenue
South
in
the
Fulton
neighborhood
of
South
Minneapolis.
AF
The
existing
site
is
about
23
000
square
feet.
It
is
currently
zoned
for
the
r1a
and
r2b
multiple
family
districts
with
the
corridor
4
built
form,
overlay,
district
and
currently
houses
and
existing
church
building.
The
applicant
is
proposing
to
demolish
the
existing
Church
on
the
site
in
order
to
construct
a
new
multi-family
dwelling.
AF
The
map
before
you
shows
the
existing
zoning
as
it
exists
today,
as
I
stated,
the
top
two-thirds
of
the
site
are
currently
zoned
r2b
and
then
there's
a
small
portion
of
the
site.
That's
zone
r1a,
so
it's
currently
split
zoned
and
then
this
is
an
image
of
the
site
or
of
The
Proposal
in
aerial
view,
showing
some
of
the
context
provided
by
the
developer
and
then
a
map
showing
the
2040
guidance.
It's
currently
under
2040,
guided
for
the
urban
Neighborhood
Land
Use
district
and
for
the
corridor
4
built
form
overlay
District.
AF
Another
image
of
the
site:
this
is
showing
the
context
of
the
neighboring
commercial
District
at
50th
and
France,
and
then
showing
the
two
Transit
corridors
along
50th,
Street,
West
and
France
Avenue
South
there
to
the
West,
some
existing
context,
photos
along
50th,
Street,
West
and
then
a
image
of
the
proposal.
AF
So
in
summary,
the
applications
before
you
would
be
to
rezone
the
entirety
of
the
site.
This
is
the
base.
Zoning,
so
we'd
be
retaining
the
corridor
for
built,
form,
overlay
and
rezoning
the
base
honing
to
the
or2
high
density
office,
District.
That
would
allow
for
the
multiple
family
dwelling,
including
some
limited
commercial
uses
for
that
proposed
commercial
space.
C
AF
Street
west
elevation,
so
50th
Street
along
the
north
end
of
the
property,
would
normally
be
considered
a
corner
side
yard,
but
because
the
property
immediately
to
the
east
has
a
front
yard
facing
50th
Street
West.
This
is
a
reverse
Corner,
which
means
that
it
would
trigger
an
automatic
front
yard
requirement
along
50th
Street,
which
would
be
15
feet.
AF
The
applicants
were
posing
a
setback
there
of
12
feet,
which
is
consistent
with
the
setback
of
the
existing
home
to
the
east
across
the
alley
and
then
important
to
note
that
above
the
first
level,
so
that
rear
yard
variance
for
the
first
floor.
Enclosed
parking
is
just
for
that
first
level
and
then,
as
you
move
up
the
structure.
The
second
through
the
fifth
floor
is
pull
the
structure
back
to
what
would
be
the
district
required
setback
for
those
upper
Stories.
AF
The
variance
is
still
triggered
by
that
first
floor,
but
the
upper
portions
of
the
the
structure
would
meet
that
setback
requirement
and
then
the
site
plan
review
is
the
last
application
for
the
for
the
structure
itself.
I'll
also
note
that
the
applicant
is
seeking
an
administrative
height
increase
so
in
the
corridor.
4
District,
you
can
administratively
increase
the
allowable
height
for
a
proposed
structure
if
you
meet
the
qualifications
for
certain
premiums.
AF
I'll
stop
there
and
take
any
questions,
but
I
know.
The
applicant
is
also
here
to
provide
some
context
if
necessary,.
A
I,
don't
see
any
so
yeah
if
the
applicant
wants
to
come
forward
and
Say
What
You
Need
to
Say.
AT
Good
evening
Commissioners
and
chair
Sheldon
Berg
with
djr
architecture.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
I
just
have
a
couple
items
I
want
to
mention.
AT
Thank
you,
Peter
for
the
the
nice
overview
of
the
project,
a
couple
things
relative
to
the
project
that
that
weren't
covered
that
I
think
just
I
wanted
to
touch
on
first
is
for
the
for
the
project,
the
in
addition
to
the
affordable
units
that
we'll
be
provided
for
the
project.
The
remainder
of
the
the
units
will
be
a
sort
of
a
mix
of
between
market
and
affordable.
AT
Secondly,
we've
the
development
team
has
met
with
the
neighborhood
on
multiple
locations,
including
doing
some
door
knocking
on
both
the
Beard,
Avenue
and
avid
and
and
then
lastly,
the
project,
partly
due
to
some
of
the
concerns
we
are
including
additional
storm
water
in
improvements
on
the
site
that
would
make
it
perform
much
better
than
the
existing
church
and
park
and
pay
parking
lot,
which
you
know
basically
just.
AT
A
Thank
you
Commissioners
any
questions
for
the
applicant
before
we
open
up
the
public
hearing,
all
right,
I'm,
not
seeing
any.
So
if
there's
anyone
here
who
would
like
to
speak
on
this
item,
you
can
come
to
the
podium
now
and
state
your
name
and
address
for
the
record
and
proceed
with
your
comments.
AU
AU
So
I
look
look
forward
to
Munich
that,
but
I
am
very
concerned
about
63
units
right
in
my
backyard,
particularly
that
it
requires
a
variance
to
get
even
closer
to
me
on
a
one
lane,
a
one
car
with
Alleyway
which
it's
already
precarious,
especially
in
the
winter
time
when
the
snowplow
comes
through
and
the
banks
come
up
and
63
units,
you
know
and
you've
got
people
that
are
going
to
be.
AU
You
know
some
of
those
units
are
going
to
be
multi-occupied,
so
how
many
cars
is
that
and
we're
not
even
talking
about
visitors
coming
yet
so
I'm
going
to
have
all
this
I'm
just
concerned
about
the
safety
and
the
access?
There's
there's
going
to
be
that's
the
immediate
concern,
but
above
that
I
mean
as
a
realtor
at
50th
and
France
Edina
Realty,
just
the
size
of
that
building
I
mean
he
just
proposed
in
The
Proposal
description
that
they're
going
from
four
levels
to
five.
But
the
majority
of
that
building
is
two.
F
AU
There's
just
a
steep,
you
know
vaulted
ceiling
where
the
mass
part
of
the
church
gets
up
to
that
four
levels,
not
the
entire
building.
So
this
is
a
significant
I
think.
The
magnitude
of
this
is
a
little
bit
scary.
In
an
already
pretty
commotion-filled
area,
with
50th
and
France,
we
already
have
overflow
parking
issues
on
the
street
and
now
I've
got
this
kind
of
thing.
AU
That's
going
to
negatively
impact
the
value
of
my
home
and
the
ability
to
rent
it
to
tenants,
because
they're
going
to
see
that-
and
you
know
it's
privacy,
it's
safety
and
I'm,
just
Curative
voice,
my
opposition
I,
don't
mind.
AU
You
know
development
of
property,
it's
in
for
the
betterment
of
the
community
and
the
people
and
more
housing.
That's
how
I
make
my
living
as
a
realtor.
More
housing
is
better,
but
63
units
I
think,
is
an
extreme
employees.
Please
consider
opposing
this
as
it
is.
Let's
scale
this
back
63
units,
it
just
seems
to
be
too
much
and
I'm
afraid
of.
What's
gonna,
it's
gonna
do
the
neighborhood
in
in
my
life.
Thank
you.
AV
Hello,
my
name
is
Dan
Murphy
and
I
live
at
5004
Abbott,
Avenue
South,
which
is
also
next
Dave
and
directly
behind
the
structure
or
the
proposed
building.
Let
me
start
by
thanking
all
of
you
for
being
here.
I
know:
it's
been
a
long
night
and
I
appreciate
the
attention
that
you've
paid
to
each
one
of
each
and
every
one
of
these
agenda
items.
AV
You
know
there
has
been
a
vast
majority
of
the
neighborhood
that
has
been
in
opposition
to
this
and
there's
not
a
single
person.
I
can
name
in
the
neighborhood
who's
opposed
to
developing
that
site.
There's
absolutely
nothing
wrong
with
creating
additional
housing
in
the
area
that
has
not
been
a
concern
to
anybody.
What
it
has
been
a
concern
is
the
the
process
and
how
we're
going
about
this,
and
so
we're
looking
at
variances
and
variances
in
site,
plan,
review
and
administrator
hike
increases
in
rezoning.
AV
AV
So
I,
don't
know
how
you
guys
can
grant
that
as
a
variance
when
it's
self-imposed
and
the
other
one
is
the
property
owner
or
authorized
applicant
proposal
to
use
the
property
in
a
reasonable
manner.
That
is
keeping
with
the
spirit
and
the
attempt,
the
ordinance
and
the
comprehensive
plan.
If
it's
and
keeping
intent
with
that,
then
why
is
there
a
variance
being
requested
in
the
first
place,
because
it's
the
design
that
needs
the
variance
this
property
or
the
the
the
property
itself
is
not
need
of
a
variance.
AV
AV
You
know
they're
they're,
looking
for
a
rezoning
and
if
you
know
I,
think
part
of
the
packet
includes
the
rezoning
and
using
some
precedence
set
with
the
waters,
which
is
a
block
over
and
across
50th,
and
then
there's
other
rezoning
they're
using
apples
for
apples
which
is
over
on
50th
and
France.
Well,
if
you
look
at
the
waters
rezoning
the
water
is
rezoning
is
a
whole
city
block
that
incorporates
the
waters
and
a
church.
There
is
no
residence
on
that
whole
block.
That
whole
block
is,
is
zoned
for
just
those
two
structures.
AV
Obviously
there's
a
lot
of
residents
on
on
Abbott
and
beard
that
would
be
affected
by
this
rezoning,
the
other
rezoner
to
ask
for,
or
the
match
to
that
rezone.
It
is
the
rezoning.
That's
done
for
I
think
it's
50
France
development
there,
that
is
already
zoned
or2
on
two
sides
of
it,
which
is
across
the
street
all
of
France
and
that
areas
and
then
next
to
it
on
the
corner
of
50th
and
Francis.
AV
You
know
they
talked
about
having
you
know,
meeting
and
do
door
knocking.
You
know,
I
think
somebody
on
an
earlier
one
asked
about.
If
there
has
been
Community
engagement,
that's
been
going
on
with
this,
and
there
was
some
committee
engagement
and
I
think
it
was
overwhelming
that
nobody
pushed
back
on
this
development.
AV
Everybody
pushed
back
on
the
design,
that's
being
presented
and
having
those
variances
granted
with
me,
living
behind
it
and
the
set
they're
not
going
to
be
able
to
turn
they're
going
to
have
to
go
on
my
property
to
get
in
that
garage
and
that's
an
infringement
on
my
rights
and
so
by
granting
that
variance,
and
it
would
just
it
it's
an
it's
not
again,
it's
not
that
we're
opposed
to
the
construction
or
the
development
of
the
land.
It's
just
the
way
that
the
design
is
being
done
right
now.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank.
AW
Hi,
my
name
is
Don
Kelly
I'm
at
5017,
Beard
Avenue
Southwest
is
directly
south
of
the
proposed
development.
You
know
without
reiterating
what
has
been
said.
I
think
I
would
agree
with
everything
that
has
been
said.
AW
It's
too
big,
there's
too
many
people
that
is
going
to
that
are
going
to
be
going
into
this
neighborhood
on
beer
on
beard
alone,
there's
like
50
residents,
so
you
potentially
are
going
to
increase
the
residence
of
the
neighborhood
by
a
hundred.
Now,
as
you
all
know,
if
you've
been
down
on
50th
the
the
traffic's
already
difficult
right
there,
we
get
overflow
people
parking
on
our
street
from
Red
Cow,
which
is
down
the
way
from
businesses
in
the
area.
AW
There's
going
to
be
difficulty
in
traffic
and
turning
into
the
alley
and
entering
from
the
alley
area.
That
alley
does
slope
down
behind
my
house.
There's
a
sewer
that
sewer
every
winner
because
of
plowing
are
gets
clogged
in
a
lake
forms
and
I've
taken
upon
myself
to
be
the
the
guy
who
chops
that
open
when
we
can,
but
it's
going
to
get
worse
with
this
I
would
agree
that
most
of
the
neighbors
Abbott
beard,
you
know,
don't
oppose
a
development
I
think
we
all
understand
that.
That
is
something
that
will
happen.
AW
AW
I
will
now
be
facing
a
wall
on
that
entire
side,
because
I
think
as
part
of
this
I
didn't
see
what
the
recommendation
was
in
terms
of
you
know,
there's
a
variance
that
is
not
necessarily
explicit
here
that
asks
that
I
think
the
pro
the
requirement
is
that
the
property,
the
build
building
should
be
11
feet
from
my
property
and
there's
a
variance
that
is
being
asked
within
there
that
there's
stairs.
That
brings
it
closer
to
me
right
so
now,
I
think
the
math
works
out
to
where
I'll
have
a
building
right.
AW
Next
to
me,
that's
you
know,
I
think
about
10
feet
away
so
that
spans
the
entire
distance
of
my
property
there's
also
so
a
you
know,
I
think
there's
a
platform
for
what
do
we
call
it
a
you
know,
for
you
know,
I,
think
it's
electricity
or
whatever.
AW
That
is
also
right
against
my
property
towards
the
back,
and
you
know
that
that
will
restrict
my
enjoyment
of
my
property
and
you
know
others.
You
know
I,
think
the
people
behind
the
property
also
on
the
across
the
alleyway,
the
shade's
going
to
affect
it
considerably.
So
you
know
to
say
that
it
doesn't
affect
the
enjoyment
and
use
by
people
in
the
neighborhood
is
not
correct,
I
mean
it
will.
In
addition
to
traffic-
and
you
know,
I
I
would
recommend
that
we
look
at
what
the
size
of
the
property
is.
What
the
development
is.
A
All
right,
seeing
that
I'm
going
to
close
the
public
hearing
Commissioners
any
discussion,
commissioner
Ford.
AD
Crandall,
oh
sorry,
okay,
yeah,
the
the
issue
that
was
raised
about
the
variances
being
created
by
the
project
or
the
need
for
the
variances
being
created
by
the
project
yourself
in
regard
to
the
parking.
What
is
your,
can
you
explain
the
rationale
for
proving
for
recommending
that
variance?
AF
That
I
can
let
the
applicant
speak
to
that
further
if
they
want
to.
But
there's
there's
also
a
grade
change
a
pretty
significant
grade
change
as
you
move
from
north
to
south
along
the
sites,
which
creates
some
uniqueness
to
that
circulation
need
so
that
would
be
the
primary
reason
and
then,
as
I
noted,
under
the
sort
of
reasonableness
consideration
for
that
request,
the
building
above
the
first
floor
is
set
back
to
the
minimum
setback
of
the
district.
So
if
it
were
a
one-story
building,
the
setback
would
be
five
feet,
which
is
what
they're
proposing.
AD
So
am
I
correct
and
in
hearing
you
say
that
that
the
parking
is
set
to
the
I
think
it's
to
the
East
and
towards
the
alley
in
part,
because
it's
you're
accommodating
a
design
of
that
involves
town
homes
on
the
western
side,
which
is
an
amenity
for
the
neighborhood,
might
argue.
AD
A
All
right,
commissioner,
all
right
I'm,
not
seeing
anyone
else,
so
I
guess
I'll,
just
say
that
you
know
this
is
a
pretty
straightforward
application.
I
think
you
know
they
they
wouldn't
have
to
include
any
parking,
and
we
would
still
could
still
approve
this,
the
variance
for
the
setback
on
on
the
North.
A
You
know
it's
just
lining
up
with
house,
that's
adjacent
to
it.
The
variants
for
or
the
zoning
rezoning
is
just
to
be
in
compliance
with
the
comprehensive
plan,
and
we
just
talked
about
the
other
variants.
So
can
the
chair
make
a
motion?
I've
never
thought
about
it.
A
AU
AD
E
A
All
right
that
motion
passes
and
our
final
item
for
this
evening
is
item
number
15.
and
staff
is
mailing.
Smith.
AX
I
guess
they
could
just
do
that:
okay,
hi
good
evening,
thanks
for
staying
here
so
long
all
right!
This
is
4300
opt-in.
It's
comprised
of
two
Parcels
4
300
and
43
12
Upton
Avenue
South,
and
it's
an
oddly
shaped
lot
at
the
Southwest
intersection
of
43rd
and
Upton.
AX
So
at
the
at
the
intersection
there
are
two
commercial
buildings
and
then
there's
another
commercial
building
on
the
south
parcel
there's
also
a
three-space
parking
lot.
That's
part
of
the
4312
parcel.
AX
AX
The
existing
zoning
is
C1.
It
also
has
the
PO
overlay.
It
has
the
Linden
Hills
area,
specific
guidance
in
that
PO
district
and
then
Corridor
four
The
Proposal
is
for
an
addition
to
the
existing
commercial
building.
The
only
application
required
is
site
plan
review.
The
square
footage
of
the
Edition
is
11
600
square
feet.
The
ground
floor
would
be
retail,
and
the
upper
four
upper
three
stories
would
be
Office
Space.
AX
As
you
can
see,
there
is
an
opening
in
the
first
floor
that
would
look
directly
into
the
rear
of
the
site,
where
it's
there's
the
the
patio
for
Rosalia
and
then
there's
the
restaurant
itself.
So
you
can
still
maintain
that
view
shed
into
it.
AX
The
Proposal
would
include
removing
some
demolishing
zumbro
Cafe
and
there's
a
step
back
fourth
floor.
As
you
can
see
away
from
the
third
floor,
they
would
also
be
removing
the
curb
cut
that
currently
exists
to
that
that
three
space
parking
area
and
that's
where
the
concrete
patio
would
go
and
we've
asked
the
applicant
to
comply
with
the
plaza
standards
per
the
zoning
ordinance
for
that
type
of
square
footage
for
patio
space,
and
you
can
see
the
floor
plans
here.
AX
There's
the
elevations,
the
exterior
materials
are
white,
brick
and
then
the
accents
are
precast,
concrete
or
sorry
Precast
yeah
concrete
panel,
and
our
recommendation
is
to
approve.
We
are
making
a
few
suggestions
as
conditions
of
approval.
One
is
to
comply
with
the
pedestrian-oriented
overlay
District
standard
of
making
sure
that
the
first
floor
is
no
more
than
eight
feet
right
now.
It's
about
10
feet
in
the
Cutaway,
so
comply
with
that
maximum
distance
also
ensure
that
there's
70
percent
active
70
active
ground
floor
active
functions
right
now.
AX
It's
like
61
I,
want
to
say
they're
at
64.
Sorry,
comply
with
the
Positive
requirements,
also
comply
with
the
minimum
byte
parking
or
at
least
specify
where
it's
going
to
go
on
the
floor
plans
and
site
plan
and
then
eliminate
the
blank
wall
on
the
west
elevation
of
the
building
that
most
closely
faces,
the
residential
uses
and
that's
all
I
have
for
my
presentation,
I'm
happy
to
stand
for
any
questions.
AX
D
AX
A
Make
sense
to
me:
okay,
I,
don't
see
any
questions
if
the
applicant
would
like
to
come
forward
and
say
which.
AY
AY
AY
AY
Again,
we
are
not
asking
for
any
variances
as
a
part
of
this
proposal.
This
is
a
small
project
that
I
think.
Historically,
the
Linden
Hills
neighborhood
has
encouraged
small-scale
commercial
development
and
we're
really
just
hoping
to
enhance
a
gap
in
that
in
that
streetscape
as
it
is
today.
AY
So
let
me
just
kind
of
I
can
come
back
to
this
if
we
need
to
touch
on
any
of
these
pieces.
So
while
a
four-story
building
is
allowed
on
the
site,
the
design
team
has
been
working
to
give
every
consideration
to
the
scale
and
overall
feel
and
perception
from
the
street.
Our
goal
has
been
to
emphasize
that
first
level,
so
that
it's
scaled
more
appropriately
to
not
only
the
pedestrian
but
also
its
neighbors.
AY
We
understand
that
there
are
shorter
buildings
on
either
side
of
this
property
and
we
want
to
be
able
to
be
contextually
appropriate
so
that
you'll
see
kind
of
throughout
this
presentation.
I
think
the
portal
on
the
first
floor
also
strives
to
scale
that
first
floor
appropriately
to
bring
the
print
The
Pedestrian
Zone
from
the
streetscape
through
the
site
and
back
to
that
Rosalia
Courtyard
that
exists
today,
so
again,
some
photos
of
the
existing
site
that
you've
seen.
AY
This
is
also
a
section
on
the
upper
half
of
this
slide
that
cuts
through
the
building
to
demonstrate
that
kind
of
flow
of
The,
Pedestrian
and
and
public
environment
from
the
street
back
to
the
Courtyard.
This
also
demonstrates
that
carve
on
the
fourth
floor,
the
top
floor
of
this
building.
That
is
a
step
back
from
the
primary
face.
AY
The
shading
studies
of
course
demonstrate
that
the
shadow
that's
cast
by
this
building
really
doesn't
impede
on
the
properties
across
the
street
for
the
summer
solstice
and
the
spring
and
fall
equinox.
AY
AY
A
light
toned
masonry
is
something
that
we
are
interested
in.
We
feel
it's
contextually
appropriate
I
want
to
highlight
that
something
that
we
have
understood
as
a
part
of
this
neighborhood.
Is
that
there's
a
lot
of
his
wonderful
historic
building
stock
in
this
neighborhood
and
as
a
new
project
coming
in
we're
not
trying
to
mimic
a
historic
building,
we're
trying
to
come
in
with
a
contextually,
appropriate
modern
interpretation
for
the
project,
so
that
has
been
our
goal
all
along.
AY
So
I'll
just
touch
briefly
on
the
materials
palette.
Again,
a
light
toned
masonry
is
applied
on
the
middle
band
of
this
project,
striving
to
be
kind
of
a
quiet
but
textured
approach,
so
that
we
see
a
standard
running
bond
and
the
primary
portions
of
the
floors
and
a
soldier
Bond
as
the
distinguished
existing
the
floor
levels.
Mainly,
you
mentioned
the
Precast
architectural
concrete
at
the
at
the
first
floor
in
the
top
floor,
I
think
that's
one
option.
AY
The
other
option
would
be
an
exterior
stucco
finish
and
I
want
to
just
when
people
hear
precast
concrete.
It's,
maybe
not
an
architectural
finish
and
I
just
want
to
describe
that.
That's
really
meant
to
be
a
more
Earthen
soft
kind
of
Stucco
Material
so
that
it,
the
softness
of
those
floors,
can
really
be
perceiving
at
The
Pedestrian
scale.
Again.
That
feels
really
appropriate.
AY
I'll
touch
briefly
on
the
site
plan.
This
again
is
just
meant
to
demonstrate
the
flow
of
the
public
from
the
sidewalk
back
to
the
Courtyard,
and
then
again
we
have
this.
The
first
floor
is
dedicated
to
retail
it.
We
call
it
retail
on
our
floor
plan.
I.
Think.
The
point
here
is
that
this
is
commercial
use.
This
is
a
space
that
can
be,
and
is
intended
to
be
turned
back
over
to
zumbro,
because
that
space
that
they're
in
today
is
not
functioning
I.
Think
in
the
way
that
it's
intended
to
be.
AY
AY
Second
and
third
and
fourth
floors
are
dedicated
to
small-scale
office.
With
that
step,
back
happening
at
the
fourth
floor,
I.
AY
Yeah
there
is
okay,
the
owners
have
been.
My
understanding
is
that
the
owners
have
been
working
with
them
to
try
and
keep
them
in
that
space
if
they
would
like
to
they're
on
a
month-to-month
lease
right
now
in
their
current
tenant
space
and
that's
been
I.
Believe
it's
been
that
way
for
some
time,
so
the
goal
would
be
to
transition
them
into
the
new
space
if
they
would
like
to
continue.
Okay.
AR
AY
You
we
also
had
a
couple
questions
from
the
public
after
the
neighborhood
meeting
on
the
trash
collection.
I
know
it's
kind
of
a
nuanced
item,
but
I
wanted
to
touch
on
that.
Also
that
today,
as
these
sites
function,
a
new
trash
enclosure
was
built
on
the
site
to
help
those
existing
properties
operate.
That
was
built
this
summer
and
the
intent
would
be
that
that
will
stay
in
close
and
we
service
in
the
exact
same
way
as
that
it
is
today,
so
just
a
few
photos
of
that.
This
wasn't.
AY
These
two
sides
were
not
in
our
neighborhood
presentation,
so
I
wanted
to
highlight
that
I'll
Breeze
through
the
elevations
at
the
end
of
the
deck
here
we
can
certainly
come
back
to
them,
but
I
just
wanted
to
kind
of
again
highlight
that
the
proposed
project
complies
with
the
project,
zoning
and
what's
what's
kind
of
required
of
the
site.
It
also
is
in
compliant
with
the
applicable
vehicle
and
parking
and
loading
requirements.
AY
Parking
is,
of
course,
a
huge
issue
everywhere,
but
especially
something
that
we
heard
from
the
neighborhood
and
while
the
ownership
team
had
to
step
away,
I
did
want
to
just
highlight
one
piece
of
information
that
they
mentioned
to
me
today.
They
currently
for
the
Martinez
space,
which
is
on
this,
the
rest
of
this
parcel.
AY
It
won't
be
included
in
the
development
of
course,
but
they
work
with
the
Saint
Thomas
Church
to
lease
25
of
their
stalls
during
the
week
to
be
able
to
have
their
patrons
park
there,
and
that's
typically
in
the
after
hours
when
the
restaurant
is
open.
They're
hoping
and
they've
been
in
conversations
to
be
able
to
use
20
of
those
stalls
to
be
used
during
regular
business
hours
during
the
week,
while
that's
not
necessarily
a
solution
for
the
entire
neighborhood.
AY
I'll
leave
it
there.
This
is
the
last
slide
if
there
are
any
other
questions
for
me,.
A
AZ
I'll
give
it
a
go:
hi
Stu,
Fritz
I've
lived
in
Linden
Hills
for
35
years.
I
live
at
4226,
Upton,
Avenue
South,
it's
close
to
this
development.
AZ
I
became
aware
of
it
after
the
neighborhood
involvement,
so
I
wasn't
able
to
voice
my
objection
at
that
time,
but
I'm
here
tonight
and
I'm
thankful
that
you've
all
taken
your
time
to
listen
to
what
we
have
to
say:
I'm,
not
opposed
to
new
development
in
Linden,
Hills.
Historically
Linden
Hills
was
at
the
end
of
the
try
line.
It
was
a
working
class
neighborhood.
It
had
all
the
things
that
a
small
neighborhood
needed
to
be
independent.
AZ
As
a
matter
of
fact,
it
was
annexed
into
Minneapolis
in
the
1920s,
so
the
so
all
the
existing
architecture
that
makes
our
commercial
node
spectacular
is
because
it
was
built
from
the
late
1800s
to
the
early
1920s
and
it
has
survived
almost
untouched
in
that
area.
Since
that
time,
as
a
matter
of
fact,
it
is
so
Charming
that
it
was.
It
was
used
in
the
movie
Jingle
All
The
Way
by
Arnold
Schwarzenegger,
that's
our
neighborhood.
AZ
So
now
we
have
a
building.
That's
coming
in
that's
clearly.
21St
century
Aesthetics
and
I
don't
care
that
it
looks
like
something
that
might
have
been
built
that
reflected
the
20th.
The
early
20th
century.
I
think
that
we
need
to
look
at
buildings
that
look
like
things
that
are
21st
out
of
the
20th
century.
As
a
matter
of
fact,
the
small
plant
area
plan
approved
by
the
Minneapolis
city
council,
December,
13
2013,
agrees
with
me
and
how
this
has
been
stepped
over
by
this
I.
AZ
AZ
What
makes
Linden
Hills
commercial
District
special,
ensure
appropriately
scaled
Redevelopment
buildings
Renovations
in
additions
should
use
durable
materials
in
a
manner
that
respects
the
construction,
traditions
and
methods
of
existing
buildings
to
ensure
the
context,
sensitivity,
development
desire
to
Linda
Hills,
the
massing
of
new
development
should
reflect
the
character
established
by
the
masking
of
the
existing
development
within
the
neighborhood
commercial
node
retained,
existing
scale,
character
and
charm
of
the
neighborhood
commercial
nodes.
New
buildings
should
exhibit
similar
height
massing
human
scale
as
those
surrounding
them.
AZ
AZ
The
building
height
and
length
are
two
elements
that
significantly
contribute
to
the
existing
storefront
Rhythm.
Other
key
features
include
building
materials
and
facades
windows
to
the
street
and
consistency
of
building
at
the
sidewalk
line.
New
developments
should,
in
all
possible
cases,
avoid
design
of
long
continuous
building
frontages.
Let
me
just
repeat
that
new
build
development
should
all,
in
all
possible
cases,
avoid
design
of
long
continuous
building
functions.
The
building
next
to
it
is
50
feet
wide.
The
building
after
it
is
68
feet
wide.
It
is
the
longest
building
along
that
block.
Already
it's.
AZ
AZ
And
then
this
concern
that
zumbros
is
going
to
move
back
in
I
think
is
a
false
flag.
They
have
800
square
feet
of
real
retail
on
the
bay
and
and
correct
me
if
I'm,
wrong,
there's
800
square
feet
of
retail
zumbros
is
in
a
thousand
square
feet
now
they
have
said
they're
moving
out.
They
are
a
tradition
in
that's
used
by
all
the
people
in
the
Linden
Hills
area.
It
is
a
breakfast
place,
zumbros
they're
not
going
to
move
into
800
feet.
AZ
They've
told
me,
that's
the
size
of
a
deli,
it's
not
the
size
of
a
restaurant,
they
need
more
space
to
move
in.
It's
they
there's.
You
can
read
it.
It
says
800
square
feet
out
of
11
000
feet
is
for
retail
that
we
can
use
in
our
neighborhood
800
square
feet
out
of
11
000
square
feet.
The
rest
is
building.
Is
it's
Office
Buildings
and
there's
no
parking
and
it
doesn't
look
like
anything
in
the
neighborhood.
AZ
BA
I'm
Heidi,
Novak
I
live
at
4141,
Vincent,
Avenue
South
one
block
away,
and
my
primary
concern
is
that
I
consider
myself
a
very
educated
woman
and
I
just
found
out
about
this
December
1st
I
would
like
to
know
how
many
people
were
at
the
Linden
Hills
resident
on
November,
14,
2022.,
15,
50.,
okay,
50.
and
I.
Think
one
of
those
things
is
that
it
was
primarily
advertise
on
Nextdoor
I'm,
not
a
member
of
next
door
and
I.
BA
Don't
know
how
many
PR,
what
percentage
of
Linden
Hill
residents
are
in
next
door,
but
my
primary
concern
is
reiterated
by
what
Scott
just
said
is
that
there
has
not
been
enough
time
for
Community
input
and
I
heard
that
that
was
a
big
concern
of
other
projects
too
about
having
Community
input
and
that
that
was
included
in
the
vision
plan
of
reasonable
time
for
Community
feedback
on
the
proposed
building
I'm,
not
against
development
either,
but
I
am
as
far
as
the
environment
of
Linden
Hills
and
keeping
in
concert
with
what
is
appropriate
and
best
Community
for
that
neighborhood.
BA
B
BB
BB
4306
houses,
a
small
Independent,
women-owned,
Business
and
three
affordable
housing
units.
The
building
was
built
in
1901
and
contained
four
hawkinson's
red
and
white
grocery
store
throughout
his
life.
My
father
was
a
strong
advocate
for
the
small
independent
businesses
in
this
area
when
he
was
dying,
I
promised
to
help
the
area
in
whatever
way
I
could.
As
you
know,
the
Planning
Commission
is
charged
with
approving
or
denying
proposed
developments
based
on
whether
they
comply
with
zoning
code,
not
based
on
residence,
emotional
reaction
or
whether
proposal
wins
the
popularity
contest.
BB
This
proposal
is
in
violation
of
multiple
chapters
of
the
zoning
code
and
is
a
non-compliant
with
the
comprehensive
plan.
State
Statute
473.858
requires
that
cities
amend
their
zoning
code
to
align
with
a
comprehensive
plan
within
nine
months
of
Passage,
as
I
wrote,
my
email,
the
misalignment
between
this
proposed
development
and
the
2040
comprehensive
plan
and
the
small
area
plan
are
troubling.
BB
The
comp
plan
contains
aspirational
language
that
is
sometimes
hard
to
codify,
yet
the
zoning
should
not
allow
for
developments
that
are
in
direct
conflict
with
the
comp
plan.
As
this
one
is
alignment
with
a
comp
plan
aside
on
first
blush,
as
described
in
the
staff
report,
it
appears
to
align
with
city
code
if
the
zoning
code
were
completely
blind
to
the
impact
a
development
has
on
the
Supreme
and
the
surrounding
uses.
BB
The
pros
develop.
The
proposed
development
is
in
violation
of
chapter
598.110
regarding
storm
water
management
by
creating
a
flooding
situation
on
my
parcel,
exacerbated
off-site
stormwater
intrusion,
the
proposed
development,
further
cuts
cuts
out,
4306,
the
elevated
patio
and
the
elevated
sidewalk,
leading
from
up
to
and
back
to,
Rosalia
causes
rainwater
to
flow
into
the
rear
of
4306.
It's
about
a
foot
higher
than
4306
backyard
when
they
built
that.
So
all
the
storm
water
drains
right
into
the
back
of
4306.
BB
And
then,
in
the
winter
it
turns
it
into
an
ice
rink
at
the
back
door
to
further
isolate
4306
the
developer
built
another
screened
fence,
making
garbage
collection,
which
was
mentioned
by
the
architect
and
the
rear
of
the
building
impossible,
thus
causing
me
to
be
in
violation
of
chapter
225.40
pertaining
to
Solid,
Waste
Connection.
So
there's
fences
on
all
sides
of
the
back
of
my
property,
which
is
includes
one
of
those
that's
been
discussed
tonight.
BB
The
fencing
and
grade
differentials
differentials
also
cut
off
my
ADA
Compliant
fire
escape
route
from
the
back
of
the
building.
This
new
proposal
exacerbates
the
problems
by
further
limiting
access
to
the
rear,
which
is
safe,
the
implications
for
the
customers
and
my
second
floor:
affordable
housing
dwellers
there
are
additional
violations,
including
chapter
5,
98.145
of
the
zoning
code,
which
states
that
a
lot
combination,
the
combining
of
these
two
lots
in
order
to
comply
with
zoning,
cannot
create
a
landlocked
parcel,
as
stated
the
fire
escape
access.
BB
The
rear
of
the
building,
4306
and
access
to
where
my
garbage
is
supposed
to
be
located,
has
been
completely
cut
off.
My
time
is
out.
I
would
request
that
the
Planning
Commission
also
consider
a
certificate
of
appropriateness,
so
this
development
and
what
is
arguably
a
historic
district,
is
highlighted
in
the
small
area
plan.
BB
4300
may
not
be
considered
historic,
but
I
would
argue
that
4306
is
the
County
Historical
side.
They
had
a
corner
devoted
to
hawkinson's
grocery
store
as
to
commemorate
the
historic
nature
of
this
building
and
its
historic
use
for
the
area
and
for
the
city
and
with
regards
to
parking
too,
all
my
parking
that
fenced
an
area
I
had
three
parking
spaces
completely
cut
off
by
the
fencing.
So
there
was
no
access
for
parking
behind.
BB
My
building
I
had
building
a
business
close
because
people
couldn't
it
was
in
the
back
of
the
store
and
they
couldn't
access
it.
So
the
developer
is
privatizing
all
the
parking
in
the
area.
There's
signs
that
it
can
only
be
used
for
his
uses.
He
has
made
agreements
with
St
Thomas,
but
customers
to
all
those
small
businesses
that
are
there.
They
can't
park
in
those
privatized
parking
spots,
so
I
implore
you
to
deny
approval.
Thank
you.
Thank.
BC
Something
hi,
my
name
is
Joseph
Flores
I
live
at
4141
Vincent.
That
was
my
wife
back
there
and
I
support
the
comments
that
were
made
previously
wholeheartedly.
I
would
request
that
there
would
be
more
opportunity
for
more
Community
input
again
at
some
point
where
the
information
about
a
meeting
would
be
better
distributed
throughout
our
neighborhood
I.
Just
have
one
comment
is
about
contribution.
What
what
does
this
edifice
contribute
to
the
community
to
the
wealth
to
the
well-being
of
that
community?
BC
Usually
we
have
things
built
that
contribute
to
the
enhancement
of
a
of
a
community
in
one
way
or
the
other.
This
is
an
office
building.
It
does
not
necessarily
contribute
to
the
general
either
the
character
or
what
the
other
businesses
that
are
going
on.
If
something
is
going
to
contribute,
I
mean
if
there
is
a
project,
that's
going
to
contribute
to
it.
It
ought
to
be
something
helping
the
existing
businesses
and
increase
some
of
the
vacant
stores
that
are
there
right
now.
BC
So
that's
I
I
would
be
Chris
that
you
look
at
this
club
more
closely.
It's
a
first
world
problem
by
comparison
to
some
of
the
other
projects
that
were
in
here,
but
it's
my
neighborhood
and
I've
got
30
years
there
and
my
kids
grew
up
there,
so
I'd
like
to
keep
the
character
the
way
it
is
thanks.
AS
My
name
is
Elizabeth
Cogswell,
my
husband
and
I
who's
here
live
at
39th
and
Beard
Avenue
South
in
Linden
Hill
Hills.
So
it's
not
a
question
of
not
in
my
backyard
I.
Our
house
will
not
be
in
any
way
affected,
but
the
neighborhood
really
will
be,
and
the
fact
that
you
that
the
commission
and
the
city
council
approved
the
2013
small
town
plan
for
Linden
Hills,
which
was
already
discussed
by
some
of
the
other
speakers,
to
keep
it
as
a
small
scale.
AS
AN
AS
AS
AS
There
are
hundreds
of
people
who
have
written
against
this
project.
I
want
to
complement
the
architect,
I
think
it's
a
beautiful
building
and
they've
taken
a
lot
of
care
with
the
materials,
but
it
just
doesn't
belong
there
and
in
the
presentation
that
was
done
for
these
few
people
with
our
neighborhood
Council.
AS
You
know
what
is
the
need
for
office
space
downtown
our
village
Linden
Hills,
so
I
mean
I,
guess
he
doesn't
have
to
justify
that,
but
I
think
that's
one
reason
that
so
many
people
are
willing
to
sign
this
petition,
whether
they
live
close
or
not,
is
because
we
don't
want
to
see
an
empty
office
building.
AS
Some
Bros
has
already
purchased
another
property
now
outside
the
neighborhood,
48th
and
Grand
Avenue
I
think
it
is.
That
was
the
only
restaurant
in
the
village
that
served
breakfast
and
lunch.
The
other
restaurants
there
only
serve
dinner,
so
I
realized
that
a
lot
of
this
is
not
elements
that
you
consider,
but
certainly
they're,
very
important
elements
to
the
neighbors,
even
those
who
don't
have
backyards
that
are
going
to
abut
those
properties
and
so
I
hope.
AS
BD
Hi,
my
name
is
Jim
cogswello
Elizabeth
already
partially
introduced
me
anyway.
I
didn't
plan
on
speaking,
but
I
wanted
to
make
sure
that
you
all
get
a
sense
of
one
thing
that
we
knew
when
we
moved
back
here.
If
there
is
a
beating
heart
of
Linden
Hills,
it
is
the
intersection
of
Upton
and
43rd,
and
Scott
has
already
giving
a
a
good
pricey
about
how
it
is
that
the
place
built
up
but
didn't
build
up.
It
built
outward
in
the
neighborhood
surrounded
itself
around
the
the
lines
and
so
on.
BD
I,
don't
want
to
dwell
on
that,
but
there
were
two
things
that
I
want
to
make
sure
that
you
do
know
about,
and
that
is
that
we
hear
that
almost
first
and
foremost,
among
the
reasons
our
neighbors
are
not
improved,
not
approved.
Not
approving
of
this
is
because
of
the
parking
situation,
which
is
already
I
mean
it
is
driving
a
lot
of
businesses,
no,
not
a
lot
so
far.
BD
It
is
the
the
neighborhood
hasn't
has
not
Fallen
apart
in
that,
because
of
that
I
just
wanted
to
add
one
other
thing
about
the
building
that
my
wife
alluded
to
this
size
of
a
building
in
this
area.
It
just
it
doesn't
fit
for
a
lot
of
reasons.
I
liken
it
to
a
big
wedding
cake
that
just
gets
plunked
down
in
the
middle
of
a
family
picnic
somewhere,
it
just
doesn't
belong.
It
may
be
wonderful,
it
may
even
taste
good.
It
may
be
even
beautiful.
BD
A
You
seeing
as
everyone
in
the
room
has
spoken
I'm
going
to
close
the
public
hearing.
A
I
have
a
I'm
gonna,
quick,
ask
me
a
question
so
I
believe
correct
me.
If
I'm
wrong,
when
the
2040
plan
was
adopted,
small
area
plans
were
sort
of
included
in
the
2040
plan.
Is
that
correct,
so
small
area
plans
aren't
something
that
the
Planning
Commission
uses
to
consider
applications
at
this
point
correct.
AX
Chair
Olson,
that
is
correct,
so
a
lot
of
those
policies
are
were
rolled
up
into
the
2040
plan.
In
addition,
prior
to
the
2040
adoption,
we
did
a
Linden
Hills
rezoning
study
and,
at
that
time,
The
Pedestrian
arranged
overlay
District
also
actually
codified,
some
of
the
stuff
in
the
Linden
Hills
small
area
plan.
So
so
yes,
I,
would
agree
with
your
statement.
We
are
not
currently
evaluating
the
Linden
Hills
small
area
plan
word
for
word:
okay,.
A
Got
it,
commissioner,
Baxley
I
can't
see.
D
AX
So
are
you?
Are
you
talking
about
4306
building
So?
Currently
it
has
Street
access
on
Upton
and
and
does
not
have
an
alley.
It
does
not
have
alley
access
right
now,
okay,
so
a
lot
of
the
issues
that
are
being
described
are
private
matters
so
and
and
possibly
building
code
issues
that
are
that
is
outside
of
my
purview
I'm,
not
even
I'm,
not
trying
to
imply
that
there
are
building
code
issues,
I'm.
C
AX
I'm
just
saying
that
that
would
not
be
part
of
my
purview,
but
in
terms
of
access
it
has
access
on
Upton,
Avenue,
South,
okay,.
D
And
so
that
fire
same
way,
that's
in
terms
of
fire
department
requirements
to
get
inside
or
to
the
back
of
that
building
that'll
be
reviewed
at
some.
AX
Point
yeah,
so
this
project
has
already
gone
through
the
preliminary
development
review
process
and
so
fire.
So
the
preliminary
review
of
this
has
been
looked
at
by
Public
Works
fire
building
code,
and
they
will
have
to
go
through
a
final,
even
more
thorough
review
before
parents
can
be
pulled.
D
Perfect,
and
can
you
I'm
assuming
storm
water,
then,
is
also
part
of
that
final
review
too.
AX
That's
a
good
question:
there
may
be
some
comments
from
stormwater,
but
this
particular
project
is
not
trigger
the
full,
the
the
full
storm
water
requirements,
so
full
storm
water
mitigation.
It
would
only
happen
at
a
half
acre
or
more,
but
there
there
will
be
some
comments
from
storm
water,
the
storm
water
department,
to
make
sure
that
they're
their
concerns
are
addressed.
D
AR
Marwa
yeah
I
have
a
question
mailing
did
this
have.
AA
To
go
to
Historic,
Planning
Commission,
historic
preservation,
commission.
AX
Thank
you
yeah.
Thank
you
for
that
question,
so
we
required
the
applicant
to
apply
for
historic
review
letter
for
the
property
for
the
entire
building
at
4
300
Upton,
since
there
is
a
demolition
of
that
building,
so
we
do
have
a
historic
review
letter,
and
so
what
that
historic
review
letter
does
is
determine
whether
or
not
it
has
to
go
to
the
Heritage
preservation
commission
for
additional
review
of
the
demolition.
AX
But
the
findings
in
the
historic
review
letter
were
that
this
property
does
not
meet
any
of
the
criteria
that
are
needed
for
local
designation
and
even
backing
up
one
step.
It's
not
considered
a
historic
property
or
in
a
historic
district
which
would
automatically
trigger
that
review
with
the
Heritage
preservation
commission.
So
this
is
yeah
this.
This
has
been
determined
to
not
be
a
contributing
potential
historic
resource.
Okay,.
AA
Do
have
a
quick
question,
the
full
comp
plan
in
front
of
me,
commissioner,
Alfred
us
at
all
times,
but
there's
a
lot
that
I
was
reading
in
the
comments
about
and
clearly
from
the
2013
plan
kind
of
about
the
charm
of
this
intersection
and
kind
of
this
character
of
it.
What
do
you
remember
in
the
comp
plan?
Kind
of
is
that
guiding
you
know
it
does
seem
thus
I
think
the
building's
beautiful
I
mean
I
just
think.
AA
Maybe
it
is
better
suited
somewhere
not
at
this
intersection,
where
it's
a
very
awkwardly
shaped
kind
of
abutting.
These
side,
businesses-
and
you
know,
I'm
just
kind
of
curious
because
it
does
kind
of
seem
like
it
is
diminishing
that
charm
of
this
character
of
one
of
the
only
areas
of
our
city
that
has
this
too.
AX
Commissioner
I,
you
know,
staff
has
laid
out
in
the
staff
report
the
ways
in
which
the
project
is
supporting
the
2040
plan
pages.
Eight.
C
AX
Ten,
and
so
one
of
the
things
you
know,
character
is
definitely
something
that
I,
don't
I,
don't
know.
If
we
even
have
that
word
emphasized
really
a
lot
I
mean
we
look
at
pedestrian
oriented
design.
Those
are
the
types
of
things
that
we're
looking
at
and
that
we
can
regulate
through
site
plan
review
character
is
really
hard
to
Define
and
really
hard
to
regulate
and
that's
better
suited
for
the
Heritage
preservation.
Commission,
that's
kind
of
their
their
role
in
those
sorts
of
really
delicate
matters
character.
AX
You
know,
I
mean
I,
think
that's
something
that
if
you
would
like
to
discuss
it,
you
may
but
I
think
that
we
have
to
stick
to
what
we
have
in
our
zoning
code.
Tools-
and
that's
you
know,
are
the
materials
accurate
and
like?
Are
we
even
triggering
something
that
that
warrants
more
of
a
review
like
that?
So
right
now,
they're
not
exceeding
far
they're,
not
you
know,
exceeding
height
or
anything
like
that?
It's
there
are
no
variances.
AX
It's
a
site
plan
review,
so
we're
looking
at
the
built
we're
looking
at
the
buildings
design,
but
we're
looking
at
like
how
it
interacts
with
like
The
Pedestrian,
The,
Pedestrian
character
and
one
argument
I
would
make
in
favor
of
the
building
is
that
it
does
build.
It
does
break
up
the
building.
Well,
so
it's
not
one
long
building,
it
is
providing
an
opening
and
a
gathering
space.
AX
AA
Mean
it
kind
of
does
I.
Think
there's
also
just
you
know
again
the
confusion
of
the
zoning
are.
We
is
this,
you
know
the
future
guiding
land
use.
20,
you
know,
is
this
something
in
2023?
How
will
be
changed
like
I
guess
I'm,
just
trying
to
understand
that
that
was
brought
up
by
it.
AX
Oh,
like
what's
the
future
zoning
going
to
be
yeah
well
right
now,
I
think
one
of
the
questions
is
whether
the
scale
of
the
building
is
appropriate
and
the
zoning
district
is
going
to
affect
like
what
uses
can
go
on
the
site.
AX
I
would
only
expect
that
commercial
uses
would
continue
to
be
allowed
on
this
type
of
parcel
in
that
node,
but
the
scale
of
the
building
that's
already
codified
as
a
built
form
overlay
District.
So
I
don't
see
that
part
changing
next
year
and.
AX
Correct
yeah,
okay,
and
actually
they
don't
they're,
pushing
back
the
fourth
story
as
part
of
the
Linden
Hills
or
oriented
overlay.
I'm.
Sorry
I
said
it
totally
wrong:
Linda
Hills
overlay
portion
of
the
pedestrian-oriented
overlay
District
elsewhere
in
quarter
four.
You
wouldn't
have
to
do
that.
Okay,.
AA
If
heard
yes,
they're
going
to
be
included
and
then
no
they're
moving
I
mean
I
when
I
was
working
in
Chicago
there
was
a
you
know,
neighborhood
institution,
that
the
developer
worked
super
closely
with
to
make
sure
that
that
neighborhood
institution
stayed
there.
It
was
a
restaurant
and
it
was
you
know
somewhere
that
some
people
that
people
really
didn't
want
to
see
lost
and
that
I
mean
there's.
AA
There's
cities
all
across
America
that
do
this
and
I
feel
like
you
know,
just
we
approve
new
buildings
and
new
buildings
and
new
buildings
and
we
do
lose
these
cool
neighborhood
and
you
know
Gathering
spaces.
Because
of
that,
when
there's
we
don't
make,
you
know
there's
so
much
ground
for
Frontage
on
this
and
we
don't.
You
know
our
development.
Community
doesn't
work
very
well
with
a
lot
of
our
neighborhood,
like
our
restaurants,
either
so
I
guess,
I'm
just
trying
to
understand
I
mean
I
just
feel
like
we
just
heard
two
completely
different
things.
We
heard.
AX
What
is
it
yeah
I'm,
actually
not
privy
to
any
of
those
conversations.
I
could
not
tell
you
what's
going
on
with
zumbro,
but
I
just
know
that
when
they
come
in
for
a
building
permit
I'm
going
to
have
to
evaluate
it
for
compliance
with
the
zoning
code,
make
sure
that
use
whether
it's
retail
or
restaurant
make
sure
it
complies
with
all
of
our
applicable
standards,
and
that-
and
that
happens
a
lot
from
the
time
that
it
comes
to
Planning
Commission,
to
actually
pulling
permits
markets.
AX
A
Thank
you
all
right,
McGuire
then
fayla.
X
How
I
don't
understand
how
4306
has
access
to
the
back
right
now?
Could
you
explain
that
to
me
because
I
guess
that's,
my
biggest
concern
is
like
cutting
off
the.
X
There's
like
a
walkway
I,
see
to
the
south
of
the
building.
Their
trash
is
back
there,
so
I,
don't
how
are
they
getting
back
there
right
now.
AY
AY
I'm
sorry
I
am
not
super
familiar
with
the
site,
but
what
I?
What
I
can
only
explain
is
that
the
parcels
that
you
see
outlined
in
blue
with
the
red
outline
are
the
parcels
as
they
exist
today.
So,
in
my
understanding,
the
only
way
that
you
would
be
able
to
access
4306
from
the
back
is
to
travel
on
the
40
through
12
parcel,
so
that
may
have
been
an
agreement
in
history
between
the
owners
but
I'm
not
privy
to
that.
Can.
BB
So
yes,
Priestly,
the
businesses
cooperated
with
each
other
and
had
a
very
collaborative
spirit
when
Rosalie's
was
built,
they
built
the
fence,
so
they
blocked
it
off
with
this
big
fence
and
that's
where
the
water
storm
water,
so
storm
water
is
fine
for
the
development
itself.
It
has
ancillary
impacts.
It.
BB
The
access
so
then
the
in
the
past
summer
year
they
built
another
fence,
so
we
were
able
to
have
easement
or
informal
to
the
back
through
that
driveway
on
the
nope
on
the
North.
The
the
access
where
the
parking
lot
is
by
zumbros
there's
a
parking
lot
and
there
was
access.
But
then
they
blacked
that
off
and.
C
BB
AB
Just
I
just
had
a
question
for
for
staff,
we're
going
kind
of
circling
back
to
the
storm
water.
We
had
said
half
acre,
it
doesn't
fall
under
a
stormwater
review
because
it's
not
a
half
acre
or
more
correct.
AX
Yeah
it's
actually
and
that
that
actually
means
Disturbed
portion
of
the
site.
That
me
that's
a
half
acre
or
more
so
this
wouldn't
come
close
to
meeting
that
threshold
that
we
would
use
to
trigger
like
a
full
mitigation
of
the
whole
site,
which
is
it's
a
very
high.
It's
a
very
like
it's
a
very
thorough
process
of
mitigating
storm
water,
but
so
they're
gonna
they'll
be
still
look
at
like
other
storm
water
issues,
but
they
won't
require
the
applicant
to
provide
really
detailed
storm
water
management
plans.
G
AB
Yeah,
which
is
concerning,
and
so
what,
when
they
do,
this
minor
stormwater
review,
do
they
just
impact
the
storm
water
for
the
new
build
or
do
they
do
they
look
at
the
impact
of
the
storm
water
from
the
build
to
the
4306
building.
AB
AX
There
are
many
aspects
of
the
small,
this
small
area
plan
and
many
other
small
area
plans
that
were
incorporated
into
the
2040
plan.
So
we
don't
so
we
used
to
like
in,
for
example,
in
our
staff
reports.
We
used
to
outline
excerpts
from
small
area
plans
right,
particularly
with
conditional
use,
permits
and
rezonings
also
some
site
plan
review
stuff.
AX
So
that
used
to
be
more
of
like
a
Verbatim
trying
to
evaluate
against
the
small
area
plans
and
that
we
don't.
We
don't
do
that
for
the
previously
adopted
small
area
plans
anymore,
but.
AX
AX
It's
just
it's
actually
an
administrative
block
combination.
I
know
there
have
been
a
lot
of
questions
about
that,
but
that
is
able
to
be
done
on
this
type
of
on
this
property.
So.
A
AX
AA
AY
AB
A
Thank
you
all
right,
commissioner.
Serio
thank.
BE
You,
madam
chair,
how
many
Community
engagements
were
conducted,
one
just
one
and
how
many
people
showed
up.
You
said.
BE
A
Thank
you,
I
see
things
up,
but
I'm,
not
sure.
If
they're
leftovers,
okay,
commissioner
Baxley
I'll.
AD
I,
don't
think
I
have
a
legal
conflict
here,
but
I
think
I
have
enough
of
a
conflict
I'm
going
to
abstain.
This
this
vote.
E
A
Right
that
motion
passes
and
that
completes
that
item.
That
was
our
last
item
on
the
agenda
for
this
evening.
Are
they
I,
don't
think
we
have
any
updates
from
staff.
B
A
B
Excellent,
if
I
can
interject
I'll
just
share
yeah
I'll
just
underline
for
everyone
that
the
if
you
haven't
heard
yet
the
Thursday
cow
meeting,
was
canceled
due
to
lack
of
items.
So.
A
I
will
declare
this
meeting
adjourned.
Our
next
Planning
Commission
meeting
will
be
Monday
January
9th,
and
our
next
Committee
of
the
whole
meeting
will
not
be
until
January
12th.
So
yes,
happy
holidays.