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A
Okay
good
afternoon,
this
is
april
12th,
and
this
is
the
bicycle
advisory
committee
engineering
subcommittee
and
for
those
involved
this
notice
needs
to
be
read.
This
meeting
may
involve
the
remote
participation
by
members,
either
by
telephone
or
other
electronic
means
due
to
the
local
public
health
emergency
novel
coronavirus
pandemic.
A
So
today,
we've
got
some
very
interesting
projects.
Those
are
in
the
email
that
actually
there
was
an
attachment
there
on
the
limbs
and
if
you
are
capable
of
following
along
or
you'll,
have
them
there
afterwards.
But
we
have
four
items
up
for
discussion
today
and
we're
going
to
begin
with
the
lowry
avenue
northeast
project.
It's
at
30
percent,
with
kelly
augusto
from
hennepin
county
and
chris
cartheiser
from
minneapolis
public
works
and
I'll.
Let
you
take
it
away.
B
Thank
you
very
much,
I'm
kelly
augusto,
as
dan
said,
with
hennepin
county
and
I'm
managing
the
lowry
avenue
northeast
roadway
design,
and
we
last
presented
to
this
committee
in
mid-december
of
2021
at
the
15
level
and
had
looked
at
a
couple
of
options
at
the
time.
So
I
have
updates
to
share
today
and
chris
I
didn't
mean
to
jump
in
and
not
give
you
a
chance
to
say
anything
to
you
here.
B
B
Yes?
Okay!
Thank
you
all
right.
So
since
that
15
level
presentation,
we've
made
the
focus
on
the
option
for
lowry
avenue
that
includes
bike
facilities
for
the
entire
length
of
the
roadway
between
marshall
street
to
johnson
street.
B
B
Another
big
change
to
the
layout
since
you
last
saw
this-
is
that
we're
in
areas
where
we
have
three
lanes
for
vehicles
next
to
one
another,
we're
looking
at
a
10
foot
width
there
for
for
vehicular
lanes.
Previously
we
were
showing
10
and
a
half.
I
believe
the
outer
lanes
would
still
have
a
two
foot
width
of
curb
gutter
to
the
face
of
curb
to
to
use
if
needed.
But
currently,
this
is
how
we
have
things
depicted
in
the
layout.
B
What
else
can
I
point
out
here
so
another
update
as
we
scroll
through
the
layout
and
get
to
the
intersection
with
university
avenue?
Is
that
we're
showing
a
much
less
abrupt
shift
in
the
alignment
along
lowry
avenue
through
this
intersection?
B
B
B
I
might
be
going
a
little
quickly
through
this
too,
if
there's
questions
as
I
as
I
go
through,
I'm
I'm
not
monitoring
if
there
was
a
hand
raised
yet
I
don't
see
any,
but
I
think
you
can
jump
in
with
a
question
anytime
or
I
can
just
keep
scrolling
through
and
we
can
look
at
questions
at
the
end
as
well.
B
All
right,
also
to
note
with
this
version
of
the
layout,
are
the
transit
symbols
depicted
as
the
black
and
white
legend
are
stop
local
service
stops
that
metro
transit
has
plans
to
remove
as
part
of
this
project
and
kind
of
consolidate,
some
stops
as
we
go
along
the
corridor
to
areas
that
are
a
bit
more
utilized
based
on
their
their
records
and
their
counts.
B
We
are
looking
at
space
for
a
possible
future
bus,
rapid
transit
line
on
lowry
avenue
and
we're
looking
at
space
for
platform
areas
at
the
lowry
avenue
central
avenue
intersection
as
well,
exploring
that
with
metro
transit
to
make
sure
that
we're
not
designing
something
that
would
need
to
be
completely
redone,
as
as
they
come
through
with
a
future
brt
line
in
the
next
10
years.
Or
so
was
their
estimate.
B
B
Otherwise,
previously
we
were
looking
at
a
shared
use
path-
east
of
central
to
johnson
street-
already
it
was
on
the
south
side
and
now
we're
showing
it
on
the
north
side.
So
that
is
an
update
in
this
segment
of
lowry
avenue.
Otherwise,
not
nothing
else
has
really
changed
here,
like
with
the
exception
of
adding
a
median
at
the
fillmore
street
intersection
with
lowry
avenue.
B
This
is
where
metro
transit
sees
having
a
stop
for
local
service
instead
of
the
stops
that
are
currently
at
taylor,
street
and
pierce
street
on
either
side,
and
so
we're
looking
at
putting
in
a
median
here
to
discourage
vehicles
from
passing
around
us
a
stopped
bus
and
still
be
stopping
in
lane.
A
Yeah
you
want
me
to
I'll
keep
an
eye
on
the
on
the
hands,
kelly
and
I'll.
Let
you
we'll
go
back
and
forth
from
there
so
jesse.
I
think
you're
up
first
sure.
D
I
guess
the
first
question
is:
I
know
that
signal
locations
are
shown
on
the
layout
here.
I'm
wondering
at
what
point
in
time,
potential
rfb,
rectangular,
rapid,
flashing,
beacon
locations
would
be
discussed.
I
know
that
one
of
the
still
one
of
the
kind
of
outstanding
things
is
where
those
locations
are
in
relation
to
where
the
bike
boulevards
are.
I
know
that
from
experience
like
this
past
weekend,
it's
it's
fairly
difficult
to
cross
lowry.
D
B
Thanks
jesse
yeah,
I
remember
seeing
a
request
in
the
resolution
from
the
bac.
Previously
we
haven't
gotten
to
that
level
of
detail
in
in
what
we're
looking
at
here.
Yet
I
I'm
sure
it's
it's
something
we
can
still
look
at.
The
there's
typically
warrants
that
those
that
we
look
for
those
to
meet
to
include
those
in
a
project.
B
D
Yeah
from
my
understanding
signals
have
warrants
rfps,
don't
they
just
have
recommended
thresholds,
the
the
medians
that
are
showing
they
have
like
the
pedestrian
crossings
built
in,
but
they
don't
necessarily
have
bicycle
crossings
built
are,
or
is
it
intended
that
cyclists
would
kind
of
have
to
like
go
into
the
lane
on
lowry
a
little
bit
and
then
like
scoot
over
and
then
like
go
back
into
the
lane
on
larry
again
a
little
bit
and
then
go
or
would
there
be
either
wider
crossings
to
let
bicycles
through
or
is
there
going
to
be
some
sort
of
push
from
the
city
to
have
the
the
center
openings
for
cyclists?
B
I
know
that
the
width
we're
showing
in
this
location
that's
on
the
screen,
is
a
good
amount
of
width
for
a
bike
to
sit
in
the
median
based
on
an
average
bike
length.
D
And
then
related
to
the
bicycle
boulevard
thing
still
too.
I
think
this
I
think,
matthew
before
he
left.
He
indicated
that
the
city
was
looking
at
shifting
the
one
that's
on.
I
think
taylor
to
fillmore
bicycle
boulevard
and
fillmore.
D
Right
now
has
a
cul-de-sac,
and
so
I
don't
know
if
it's
if
it
would
be
a
city-led
thing
or
if
the
county
would
be
able
to
do
it
with
their
project,
but
having
a
connection
from
the
end
of
the
cul-de-sac
through
to
the
intersection
to
be
able
to
link
that
bicycle
boulevard
would
be
helpful
as
well,
rather
than
just
the
sidewalks.
It
was
just
the
sidewalks.
Then
bicycles
had
to
go
on
someone's
driveway
to
get
up
and
then
go
on
the
sidewalk
for
a
little
bit
to
get
over.
B
Okay,
yeah,
currently
we're
only
showing
access
for
the
sidewalk
to
go
all
the
way
through
that
area
where
to
connect
from
the
cul-de-sac
to
lowry
avenue.
C
I'll
just
confirm
that
that
is
shown
on
our
aaa
network
and
so
that
that
is
a
useful
thing
to
point
out
there,
jesse
and
and
from
the
to
address
the
first
question
of
the
bike
cut
throughs.
I
I
think
the
city
is
interested
in
looking
more
closely
at
that
specifically,
for
fifth,
I
think
is
the
only
one
that
has
a
median,
that's
also
on
our
aaa
network.
So
that's
that's
something
we
we
can
take
a
closer
look
at
and
we
we
should
also
be.
C
We
haven't
gotten
to
the
discussion
of
like
what
this
means
for
emergency
vehicle
access
and
if
that
needs
to
be
mountable
or
or
not,
so
I
think,
there's
a
couple
details
with
those
closed
medians
to
figure
out
yet.
B
A
E
Hi,
so
between
about
fourth
street,
I
guess
I'm
wondering
my
question
is:
what
is
the
media,
the
minimum
width
you're
looking
at
for
the
boulevards,
because
from
4th
street
northeast
to
somewhere?
I
don't
know
somewhere
east
of
central
you're,
showing
an
8th
and
8
foot
shared
use
path
and
a
6
foot
boulevard,
and
I
mean
I
like
green
space
much
as
the
next
guy,
but
eight
feet
is
really
going
to
be
pretty
narrow
for
a
bi-directional
bikeway
that
shared
with
pedestrians
as
well.
E
B
Sure
I
appreciate
that
feedback
yeah
we're
definitely
trying
to
show
it
as
a
10-foot
shared
use
path,
where
it's
easier
to
see
that
there's
a
good
amount
of
space
to
do
that
in
the
location
that
you're
talking
about.
We
are
currently
showing
it
as
an
eight-foot
shared
use
path,
we're
kind
of
looking
at
existing
retaining
walls
along
lowry
avenue
also
in
terms
of
trying
to
minimize
impacts
to
those
and
are
also
looking
at
ways
to
provide
or
just
make
sure
we
have
space
for
pedestrian
lighting
enhancements
along
this
corridor.
B
So
those
bases
take
up
some
space
and
and
then
you
need
some
clear
zone
to
those
as
well.
So
it's
it's
a
lot
to
fit
in
here,
but
it's
the
width
of
the
path
is
definitely
something
we'll
be
looking
at
more
closely
to.
C
Could
could,
I
add
a
word
on
just
some
of
the
constraints
kelly,
we're
also
dealing
with
above
ground
utilities
here,
there's
a
big
flood
issue
along
this
corridor,
so
storm
water
infrastructure
is
something
that
we're
paying
a
lot
of
attention
to
and
as
you're
pointing
out,
there's
not
a
lot
of
room
to
work
with,
so
just
want
to
put
out
there
that
those
are
a
couple
of
the
other
things,
as
well
as
transit
stations
and
being
able
to
fit
the
path.
F
Yeah
kelly,
I
thank
you.
It's
great
to
see
the
improvements
here
and
simple
question.
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
that
the
yellow
markings
are
raised
pavement
as
we
cross
correct
all
right,
great,
yes,
looking
looking
good,
thank
you.
G
Sorry
not
having
been
to
the
earlier
meeting
where
this
was
presented.
I'm
not
sure
if
this
was
addressed.
So
if
it
was,
I
apologize
for
the
retread,
but
is
the
14-foot
travel
lane
necessary,
and
I
mean
that
is
really
quite
wide
and
beyond
encouraging
speeding?
Oh
okay!
So
it's
11.
H
G
J
This
is
tyler
from
the
minneapolis
park
board.
You
know.
One
solution
you
might
look
at
is
actually,
if
you
could
just
shifting.
So
you
have
less
green
space
on
the
south
side,
that's
shaded
by
buildings
and
have
more
green
space
in
the
boulevard
on
the
north
side.
So
you
have
space
for
trees
and
whatnot.
That
will
actually
accept
that
sunshine.
J
Trees
aren't
going
to
grow
really
well
in,
like
a
four
foot,
boulevard
they're
actually
going
to
do
pretty
bad.
You
know
five
foot's
really
the
minimum.
So
if
we
did
want
to
increase
that
shared
use
path
with
and
take
away
from
the
green
space,
which
I
kind
of
never
advocate
for
being
a
park
guy,
I
would,
I
would
suggest
kind
of
rethinking
how
you
balance
that
center,
that
road
and
planting
on
the
sunny
side
of
the
road
could
be
kind
of
nice.
A
A
K
Thank
you.
I
I
thought
I
had
muted
myself
and
had
not
okay,
so
my
question
is
similar
to
the
one
previous
about
whether
there
is
the
possibility
of
shrinking
something
besides
the
boulevard,
so
going
back
to
a
10
foot
lane
with
the
reaction
zones
on
either
side.
So
you
have
effectively
13
or
in
some
places
reducing
the
center
medium
to
four,
where
six
is
shown
or
if
it's
even
possible
to
go
less
than
four.
B
K
Yeah-
and
I
should
clarify-
I
think
six
is
really
good
at
the
intersections,
where
we
have
to
like,
for
example,
the
intersection
shown
on
the
screen.
The
boulevard
drops
and
you've
got
the
expanded
median
like
there.
Six
makes
a
lot
of
sense
to
me,
but
closer
to
where
the
d
section
line
is,
or
even
a
little
bit
to
the
east
of
there.
K
If
you
could
go
to
something,
that's
like
a
short
jersey
barrier
and
takes
less
horizontal
space
or
is
you
know
less
wide
in
the
cross
section,
maybe
only
two
or
three
feet
wide
and
then
that
frees
up
more
space
for
the
boulevard
and
then
also
reducing
the
the
lanes
from
14
down
to
what
they
could
could
follow.
B
B
B
A
Okay,
I'm
gonna
take
a
grab
at
this
dan
miller
and
kelly.
You
mentioned
something
that
you
are
looking
at
some
possibilities
for
underneath
that
bridge.
Do
you
have
any
thoughts
that
you
can
share
with
us?
What
you're
looking
at.
B
Really
hope
the
light's
going
to
go
off
in
the
office
on
me.
Sorry,
sorry,
really
we
only
have
the
typical
section,
that's
included
in
the
layout
to
show
what
space
we
think
we
have
and
what
we
could
possibly
do
with
the
with
changing
the
curbs
under
the
bridge
for
the
vehicle
lanes.
B
J
A
So
there
would
be
a
chance
that
you
could
take
that
15
foot
lane
and
shrink
it
down
and
somehow
expand
the
curve
or
create
either
a
bike
pet
facility
there.
So
you've
got
the
shared
use
path
for
perhaps
one
type
of
user
and
the
other
for
the
other.
B
Right
yeah,
I
think
I
think
there'd
be
a
way
to
use
some
space
on
both
sides
of
the
piers
here.
A
If
there
are
other
questions,
please
let
me
know
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
ask
a
few
questions
here.
Until
I
see
a
hand,
we
had
talked
about
the
raised
crossings
and
they're
still
in
there
they're,
not
in
the
legend,
and
I
know
that
in
other
cases
in
the
city,
ray's
crossings
have
shown
up
on
plans
but
they've
been
eliminated
because
of
well.
The
most
common
I've
heard
is
storm
water.
A
But
how
is
that
looking
as
a
possibility
is,
is
there
a
serious
chance
that
that
is
going
to
happen.
B
B
Maybe
that
note
shows
up
in
here
somewhere
that
I'm
not
remembering
but
you're
you're
right
that
sometimes
there
might
be
an
issue
with
stormwater
once
we
are
able
to
get
into
that
analysis
as
our
design
work
progresses.
That
would
preclude
the
ability
to
be
able
to
raise
that
up
through
there.
It's
not
a
level
of
detail
that
we've
gotten
to
yet
sure.
A
A
Yeah,
so
I've
just
seen
them
come
and
go
and
they've
been
exciting
because
they
provide
some
continuity.
They
provide
safety
and
they
provide
some
continuity
to
you
know
a
trail
and
an
ongoing
issue
I
have
with.
If
you
don't
have
a
raised
crossing,
you
don't
get
zebra
crossings
across
that
thing
according
to
our
street
design
guideline,
and
it's
something
that
I
think
that
both
the
county
and
the
city-
let's,
let's
get
something
going.
A
If
we
can't
have
raised
crossings
here,
can
we
get
something
that
you
know
whether
it's
you
know
the
green
conflict
zone
plus
a
zebra
stripe?
I
don't
know,
but
just
so
that
we've
got
continuity
and
some
safety
on
those
intersections
would
be
terrific,
and
I
don't
know
chris.
Do
you
have
any
thoughts
or.
C
Yeah,
I
would
have
to
look
to
our
our
typical
kind
of
guidance
on
that.
I
think
the
street
design
guide
kind
of
shows
what
the
signage
would
look
like
and,
and
things
like
that,
especially
if
it
is
raised
and-
and
I
think,
kelly's
exactly
right-
that
sometimes
the
reason
those
don't
happen
is
the
engineering
doesn't
quite
work
out
for
the
stormwater,
but.
C
Take
it
take
a
look
at
those
details
and
I'll
make
sure
to
keep
that
in
mind
if
they
don't
go
through
kind
of
what
we
do
to
flag
those.
A
So
far
so
far
in
my
understanding
of
the
street
design
guidelines
is
it's
nothing
and
that
that
happened
on
johnson
screen.
It's
going
to
happen
on
bryant
and
it'd,
be
nice
to
have
a
good
look
at
that
guidelines
too,
and
the
guidelines
say
that
they're
open
for
change-
and
I
just
think
this
is
a
great
avenue
to
make
sure
that
that
happens.
A
So,
in
accordance
with
that,
I'm
sure
that
the
path
material
hasn't
been
decided,
whether
it's
going
to
be
asphalt
or
concrete,
but
the
driveway,
the
driveways,
the
cut-throughs
throughout
here
are
I'm
not
sure
if
there's
cement
and
light
in
color
or
if
they're
dark
in
color.
Do
you
know
what
you're
shooting
for
there.
B
A
B
Okay,
I
think
the
driveways
are
being
shown
as
concrete
for
a
material
right
now
in
our
layout,
and
the
path
is
being
shown
as
bituminous.
A
Okay,
because
it's
again,
this
is
a
continuity
thing
that
if
you
look
at
18th
avenue,
it's
a
perfect
place
to
take
a
look
at
this
and
ride
it.
I
mean
it
it's
or
walk
it.
It's
it's
just
very
disruptive.
It
can
be
very
disruptive
and
in
certain
places
on
johnson,
they
were
able
to
pass
that
through
with
the
ice
concrete,
the
gray
ice
concrete
and
it
reads
better
as
a
trail
and
as
a
something
that
you're
crossing
over
so
it'd
be
a
recommendation
that
it'd
be
nice
to
see.
A
If
we
could
do
that-
and
I
think
we've
got
a
couple
of
other
nope
people
had
their
hands
up
and
then
they
went
out
again.
A
Yeah
yeah
yeah,
it's
just
a
thought
to
think
about
no
other
hands.
So
one
thing
that
just
looking
at
this
plan
that
I
find
I
mean
it's
a
great
plan.
I
think
it's
come
a
long
way
since
the
last
time.
The
last
plan
that
we
saw
is
that
the
intersections
are
not
fleshed
out
as
far
as
how
pedestrians
move
across
them.
In
some
cases
at
30
percent
we
wind
up.
A
This
is
typically
the
last
time
we
see
a
project
and
some
stuff
like
what
may
appear
at
10
or
15
percent
is
really
the
stuff
that
the
public
and-
and
we
are
particularly
interested
in.
Why
would
you
be
willing
to
come
back
to
be
able
to
show
us
what
has
been
kind
of
revised
about
this.
B
Well,
yes,
I
mean
we
have
I
chris
I'd
say:
yes,
we
haven't
gotten
into
the
plan
yet
for
this
project
or
some
of
the
details
that
that
this
committee
has
pointed
out
in
in
your
resolution,
to
be
able
to
even
address
those
points.
So
I
think
it
would
make
sense
to
at
least
address
the
items
that
you
all
have
brought
up
and
close
the
loop
on
that.
A
A
Okay,
I
don't
see
any
other
hands
up
kelly.
Do
you
need
anything
from
us.
B
We
haven't
updated
our
website
yet,
but
we're
just
needing
to
have
a
little
more
time
to
address
the
the
layout
that
we're
going
to
select
and
get
through
the
design
and
the
right
way
process
and
we're
just
looking
at
the
flexibility
that
we
have
with
our
federal
funding.
To
do
that.
Okay,.
A
All
right,
one
last
thing:
has
the
discussion
about
a
speed
limit
change
to
25
miles
an
hour
been
pursued
at
all.
B
C
And
dan
I'll
just
add
that
we
do
anticipate
bringing
this
to
layout
review
once
the
layout
is
kind
of
finalized
here.
So
I
I
do
think
if
the
if
the
group
has
an
opinion
on
this
project
that
wants
to
put
that
in
a
resolution,
we
would
welcome
that
and
include
that
in
our
layout
review
materials
for
council
all
right.
A
Okay,
thank
you
alrighty,
so
I
think
we
need
to
move
on.
Thank
you
so
much
kelly
and
chris
and
next
up
on
the
agenda.
Whoops
is
the
concrete
rehabilitation
program
30
with
christian
zimmerman
of
minneapolis
public
works
good
afternoon
kristen
christian.
L
Thanks
for
having
me
back,
I
came
to
you
to
you
all.
Oh,
it's
been
a
while
last
late
fall.
I
think
it
was
early
winter,
so
I
just
wanted
to
come
back
and
provide
an
update
for
this
concrete
streets,
rehabilitation
program
that
we're
doing
this
year,
specifically
for
minnehaha
avenue
for
the
portion.
I
want
to
show
you
all
today,
just
kind
of
a
you
know,
little
refresher
here
on
what
this
program
is.
L
Essentially,
this
is
the
city's
program
that
addresses
our
concrete
streets.
We
have
approximately
155
miles
of
concrete
streets
in
the
city.
Most
of
these
roadways
are
fairly
old.
They
were
built
somewhere
between
the
early
60s
and
the
middle
70s.
So
we
have
this
program
just
to
to
maintain
the
these
roadways.
We
do
joint
sealing.
L
You
know
joint
repairs,
diamond
grinding
to
kind
of
smooth
the
the
surface
and
then
also
replace
any
broken
panels
either
have
panels
or
four
full
panels
just
kind
of
depending
on
their
condition,
and
there's
also,
you
know
some
driveway
work
as
it
comes
up
a
little
bit
of
curb
and
gutter
in
spots
as
needed.
L
L
You
know
this
type
of
project.
Can
you
know
improve
the
life
of
the
of
the
roadway
by
at
least
10
years
for
the
most
part,
so
just
a
little
bit
of
background,
just
as
a
refresher
for
this
program
kind
of
bring
up
a
map
here
of
what
we're
looking
at.
So
this
is
a
fairly
short
segment
of
minnie,
so
this
dark
grey
that
you
see
here.
This
is
the
the
roadway
that
we're
looking
at
the
project,
extends
so
east
24th
street
to
the
south
and
then
just
heading
up.
L
Minnehaha
to
the
south
side
of
franklin
avenue,
we
won't
be
getting
into
franklin
at
all,
we'll
be
stopping
just
a
little
shy
of
there,
where
the
pavements
change
back
to
asphalt.
We
do
have
two
intersections
that
we're
looking
at
larger
improvements
for
and
that
that's
really
what
I
want
to
show
you
all
tonight.
L
L
Kind
of
angular
geometry
that
we
want
to
address
at
that
location,
so
the
first
location
I
want
to
talk
about
is
minnehahan,
21st
and
kind
of
show
our
concept
for
for
this
area
right
now,
minnehaha
does
have
existing
bike
lanes
on
it
and
we
will
continue
to
maintain
those.
L
So
we
don't
have
a
change
in
the
the
bike
infrastructure
here,
but
we
do
have
some
changes
of
the
curb
lines
that
are
kind
of
adjacent
to
the
to
the
bikeway
will
definitely
help
to
shorten
those
distances
across
21st
street
and
provide
some
additional
safety
features
there.
While
we
also
have
additional
crossings
that
we're
bringing
up
to
grade
for
pedestrians,
you
can
also
see
kind
of
these
green
highlighted
areas.
L
Those
are
all
going
to
be
areas
that
we're
removing
current
hard
surfaces
for
green
infrastructure.
Part
of
this
will
be
actual
storm
water
management,
so
it
will
be
able
to
function
and
store
and
capture,
rain,
water
and
storm
water
off
of
the
roadway,
while
also
doing
some
different
plantings.
So
there's
some
exciting
aspects
with
that,
but
you
can
kind
of
see
the
realignment
of
21st
avenue.
L
You
know
really
kind
of
pulling
this
over
and
creating
this
more
aligned,
t
intersection
with
with
mini
high,
currently
that
just
kind
of
comes
out
this
large
angle
and
has
a
quite
a
long
crossing
here
and
you
know
kind
of
inhibits
vehicles
turning
from
minnehaha
onto
21st,
with
some
pretty
you
know,
comfortable
angles
for
them
with
with
higher
speeds,
so
we're
trying
to
reduce
those
and
and
just
slow
everything
down
at
this
location.
L
One
aspect
that
we
are
still
working
through
is
the
bus.
Stop
that's
located
over
here
with
our
proposed
bump
out
here
in
this
corner.
We
probably
need
to
move
this
bus
stop
up
a
little
bit
further,
not
by
much
so
we'll
probably
need
to
pour
a
new
pad
for
that
landing,
but
a
fairly
minor
change
to
that,
and
then
on
the
south
side.
L
Here
we
are
working
with
a
property
owner
right
on
the
on
the
other
side
of
the
sidewalk
here,
with
some
current
curb
cuts
that
they
have
to
minnehaha.
L
So
we
are
working
with
them
as
an
opportunity
to
potentially
close
off
those
two
and
just
have
their
access
from
the
alley,
and
that
would
allow
us
to
bump
out
into
the
parking
lane
here
and
then
do
our
ada
ramps
within
that
bump
out.
If
we
aren't
able
to
do
the
bump
out,
we
will
still
be
able
to
proceed
with
doing
the
ada
ramps.
So
so
that's
kind
of
the
the
overview
of
of
this
intersection
here
and
I've
got
one
other
one
and
then
we'll
open
it
up
for
questions.
L
So
this
is
our
intersection
with
minnehaha
and
franklin
and
there's
a
little
bit
more
changes
here
to
the
bike
infrastructure
than
at
the
last
location.
L
Currently
we
do
have
vehicles
that,
as
you
approach
franklin
you,
you
do
kind
of
turn
over
into
this
dedicated
right
turn
lane
right
now.
The
bike
lane
on
minnehaha
kind
of
just
shares
the
space
with
this
travel
lane.
So
we
are
looking
to
continue
that
striping
to
dedicate
a
space
for
bicyclists
within
this
area
and
then
on
the
kind
of
that
west,
westbound
or
side
of
the
street
right
now.
L
This
is
one
traveling.
This
yellow
striping
here
does
exist
today
and
we're
looking
to
keep
that.
However,
we
don't
have
a
designated
bike
lane
that
is
kind
of
heading
south.
L
Here
it
doesn't
pick
up
until
roughly
about
this
point
down
here
after
this
driveway,
it's
more
of
a
a
larger
shoulder,
and
you
know
it
doesn't
really
have
a
use
as
of
today,
so
we're
looking
to
kind
of
re-envision
that
space
as
an
area
that
we
could
provide
that
bike
lane
we're
also
looking
at
this
as
an
area
that
we
can
provide
a
median
that
will
provide
that
physical
barrier
between
vehicles
and
bicyclists
for
this
area
and
then
we'll
actually
be
doing
some
additional
greening
within
that
that
median
also
and
then
that
bike
lane,
as
it
approaches
down
here
at
the
driveway,
will
then
shift
over
to
meet
with
the
existing
bike
lane
here.
L
The
last
aspect
here
doesn't
necessarily
affect
the
bike
lane
too
much,
but
we
are
going
to
be
extending
the
the
boulevard
space
here
right
now.
This
is
additional
concrete
pavement
here
for
kind
of
the
the
sidewalk.
It's
basically
just
a
larger
area,
we'll
be
maintaining
a
standard
with
sidewalk
through
here
and
then
removing
a
part
of
this
and
converting
it
back
to
planted
boulevard
where
we
can
catch
additional
storm,
water
and
off
of
the
road
and
just
rain
in
general.
L
L
Oh
sorry,
I
do
want
to
note
this
is
scheduled
for
2022
construction.
F
M
Yeah,
thanks
hey!
This
is
adrienne
bach,
I'm
from
cped.
I
just
had
a
question
about
this
one
here
at
franklin.
I
just
went
through
this
intersection
the
other
day
and
just
north
of
what's
shown
in
the
image
here
on
franklin,
there's
that
median
there
so
that
northbound,
pars
and
bikes
can't
turn
left
to
go
west
and
I'm
just
curious.
What's
the
what's
the
thinking
in
terms
of
okay
for
a
biker
going
north
on
this
segment,
if
they
want
to
go
west
on
franklin,
what
what
is
their
their
process
for
that.
L
Yeah
right
now
with
this,
since
we're
not
getting
into
franklin,
this
would
essentially
be
heading
the
bike
lanes
into
franklin
to
go
eastbound
since
there's
that
median
there
we
still
wouldn't
have
a
dedicated
space
to
be
go
to
be
able
to
get
out
there
and
to
with
this
program
to
have
bicyclists
make
that
left
turn
if
they
want
to
go
west.
I
think
maybe
one
of
the
options,
I
think
is
24th.
L
I
think
it's
24th
street,
or
I
can't
remember
that
roadway
off
the
top
of
my
head,
but
I
think
there's
an
opportunity
to
go
west
on
24th
and
then
head
north
on
that
route.
I
think
if
someone
wants
to
to
go
west,
it's
a
little
bit
of
a
you
know
you
gotta
kind
of
figure
out
that
routing,
and
I
think
that's
just
one
of
the
concessions
as
a
few
years
ago,
when
the
county
redid
franklin
here
and
put
in
that
closed
median,
that
there
would
have
to
be
that
that
routing.
M
L
Yeah,
this
is
in
our
south
side
green
zone,
so
we
definitely
wanted
to
make
an
effort
to
you
know
minimize
any
of
our
hardscapes
here
and
and
convert
as
much
as
that,
as
we
could
to
native
plantings
and
green
infrastructure.
M
L
Yeah,
and
so
typically,
our
intersections
at
signalized
intersections
will
be
striped
and
that
are
unsignalized.
They
typically
aren't.
Sometimes,
if
they're
near
a
you
know
a
school
or
a
park,
you
know
that's
creating
quite
a
few
trips
across
the
street.
Sometimes
there
can
be
some
aspects
there
that
get
these
striped
at
this
location.
L
We
don't
really
have
those
criteria
that
it's
meeting
we
have
talked
about
this
of
potentially
marking
crosswalks,
but
at
this
time
it
it
doesn't
meet
a
lot
of
our
criteria
to
to
mark.
L
However,
you
know
with
the
roadway
today,
with
it
being
fairly
wide
and
and
with
that
poor
geometry,
it
didn't
make
for
a
great
crossing,
although
we
didn't
really
have
all
of
the
crossings
at
this
intersection
today,
but
we
do
hope
that
you
know
with
the
introduction
of
the
the
better
geometry
and
the
bump
outs
that
shrinking
this
roadway
down,
that
we
can
get
those
better
sight
lines
to
on
on
pedestrians.
Even
if
we're
not
able
to
strike
this
crossbow.
N
H
Yeah,
thank
you.
So
I
I
had
a
question.
I
guess
about
the
frank
more
about
the
franklin
section.
I
I
think
what
you've
shown
here
looks
great.
One
thing
that
I
thought
that
I
would
suggest
is:
if
you
look
at
the
kind
of
northbound,
if
you
call
it
that
of
minnehaha
avenue,
as
it
becomes
more
due
north
there
as
it
does
that
little
curve.
One
thing
that
I
could
see
happening
is
drivers
cutting
the
corner
a
little
bit
if
it's
just
a
painted
bike
lane
there,
and
so
I'm
curious.
H
If
there's
any
chance,
you
could
slide
those
like
at
least
using
this
illustration
slide.
Those
parked
cars
like
one
car
length,
further
away
and
create
kind
of
a
protected
just
corner
like
elbow
there
for
a
cyclist
and
move
that
bike
lane
through
that
and
then
just
kind
of
have
it
re-emerge
with
the
painted
strip
just
to
prevent
someone
from
possibly
getting
struck
by
a
driver.
There.
L
H
Yeah
yeah
exactly
oh
and
I
like.
Obviously
there
could
be
some
complications
in
figuring
it
out,
but
just
yeah
some
things
so
that
because
you,
if
you
see-
and
you
maybe
have
seen
this
already
in
other
spots
but
wherever
like
coins,
are
just
kind
of
painted
on
those
little
curves,
you
tend
to
see
the
paint
get
worn
off
right
there,
especially
on
the
outer
part
of
it.
So
yeah.
D
H
That's
my
only
suggestion.
Otherwise
I
really
like
that
separation
created
on
the
southbound
side.
L
Yeah
thanks
for
for
the
for
the
comment,
I
think
we'll
take
another
look
at
that
and
see
if
there's
maybe
an
opportunity
that
we
could
think
through
of
maybe
there's
an
option
that
we
could
explore.
That
provides
a
little
more
protection
to
cyclists
on
that
curve
cool.
Thank
you.
K
I
just
wanted
this
second
or
third,
the
comments.
This
looks
like
a
great
project
and
I
really
like
the
improvements
here.
I
just
had
one
quick
question
and
that
is
whether
that
hashed
area,
the
area
attached
with
yellow
paint
near
the
franklin
intersection,
could
also
be
converted
to
green
space.
L
Yeah-
and
so
we
did
look
at
a
couple,
different
designs
for
this
kind
of
aspect
here
and
unfortunately,
we
do
have
a
fairly
tight
budget
with
this
program,
so
we
weren't
able
to
to
do
everything
that
maybe
we
would,
you
know,
prefer
to
do
in
a
you
know,
kind
of
perfect
world,
but
it
was
something
that
we
did
look
at
of
you
know.
Could
we
convert
more
of
this
space
to
green
space
and
kind
of
our
certain
aspects
that
we
looked
at?
L
That
is
when
we
get
into
that
our
costs
really
start
to
get
high
because
kind
of
the
the
slope
of
the
roadway
starts
to
change
quite
a
bit
too,
and
we
start
to
have
drainage
issues,
and
we
do
have
a
pretty
large.
I
think
it's
a
water
main
that
kind
of
comes
through
right
in
this
area
that
we'd
have
to
deal
with,
so
our
cost
really
started
to
drive
up
pretty
significantly
when
we
started
to
to
explore
this
area.
L
G
Yeah,
I
also
want
to
say
that
I
think
this
looks
really
nice.
I
really
like
seeing
the
the
green
spaces
added.
I
guess
my
question
was
about
what
the
travel
lane
width
is
because
my
experience
of
writing
down
this
section
of
minnie
and
it'll
obviously
be
changed
with
this
rehab
project.
L
Yeah,
I
think,
on
this
section
here,
especially
I
think
we
could
look
at
that,
and
part
of
this
does
look
kind
of
fairly
wide
here.
Just
because
we're,
including
kind
of
in
the
drawing
here,
is
including
that
two
foot
gutter
space.
L
So
if
we
do
have
an
extra
foot,
we
might
be
able
to
kind
of
get
in
that,
just
that
you
know
additional
long
line
and
and
if
we
could
maybe
get
that
down
to
at
least
this
curve
here,
and
maybe
that
could
act
as
a
a
double
piece
that
someone
else
had
mentioned
earlier
about
this
curve.
L
So
I
think
that's
something
that
we'll
look
at
see
if
we
can't
squeeze
out
another
foot
or
two,
if
it's
available
here,
just
to
try
and
narrow
this
up
and
give
a
little
bit
more
protection
to
cyclists
as
much
as
we
can
and
just
as
far
as
the
travelings
on
kind
of
the
main
portion
of
minnehaha
we're
essentially
trying
to
maintain
that
space.
L
So
we
don't
have
a
shift
in
the
middle
of
the
roadway,
but
I
think
there
is
maybe
an
opportunity
to
kind
of
explore
kind
of
from
this
curve
going
north.
Here,
if
we
have
some
additional
room
there.
L
Yeah,
we're
really
limited
because
we're
just
touching
this
intersection
rather
than
that
full
stretch,
and
I
think
what
that
would
require
is
for
us
to
probably
have
to
do
a
restriping
of
kind
of
that
whole
section
to
do
to
shrink
down
these
lanes
and
that's
unfortunately,
just
now
within
our
scope
on
this
project.
To
do
that
that
full
roadway
with
our
length,
I
mean
okay,
I'm
good.
F
Yeah
christian,
this
is
really
exciting
to
see
all
the
the
green
space
added,
because
this
this
is
a
stretch
where
bus
cars
really
do
go
fast.
It
has
that
kind
of
wild
west
feel
so
great
addition,
two
two
thoughts
come
to
mind.
One
is
if,
if
people
wanna
for
going
west
on
franklin,
people
take
22nd
street
that
sort
of
new
in
the
last
five
years
or
so
to
get
onto
cedar
further
west
coming
up
to
franklin.
F
So
this
would
be
a
case
where
signage
would
signage
would
be
really
helpful.
So
people
don't
get
swinging
all
the
way
over
to
20th,
basically
20th
avenue
they
if
we
can
send
them
on
that
little
east-west
stretch
22nd
to
cedar
that
up
to
franklin
and
the
other
thing
is
it
it.
It
so
happens
that
there's
an
underground
house
at
21st
avenue
and
22nd
street
on
the
northwest
corner,
so
yeah,
just
just
up
22nd
avenue
right
at
the
corner
and.
F
I
know
that
over
on
way
over
on
34th
avenue
in
seward,
some
proposed
green
spaces,
like
this
met
with
some
neighbor
resistance
fears
about
flooding
basements
because,
as
you
get
close
to
the
river
people,
do
have
some
troubles
with
water.
But
I
I'm
thinking
that
it
would
be
especially
good
and
you
know
I
could
even
do
it
it's
a
new
owner,
but
would
it
be
standard
to
just
notify
people
around
an
intersection
when
you're
adding
again
I'm
just
imagining
the
underground
house
owner
freaking
out
when
they
see
all
this
infiltration
space?
F
L
So
there
will
be
residents
that
live
along
the
routes
that
are
getting.
These
changes
are
receiving
letters
in
the
mail
of
this
work
and
we
actually
later
tonight
I'm
meeting
with
the
seward
neighborhood
group,
where
I'll
be
talking
about
this
also.
So
there
are
a
couple
opportunities
there
that
residents
can
learn
about
the
projects.
F
L
Yeah,
it's
just
gonna
say,
and
there
will
also
be
as
construction
starts,
there
will
be
additional
notices
and
and
such
so
there
will
be
opportunities
for
residents
to
to
kind
of
be
aware
of
this
work.
F
Oh
okay,
actually,
the
other
thing
that
on
22
22,
yeah,
22nd
avenue
the
park
board
came
along
in
the
last
two
or
three
months
and
cut
down
14
trees.
I
think,
and
it
really
there
was
there
was
no
notice.
It
was
actually
just
a
administrative
failure,
but
it
really
sort
of
annoyed
folks
there
and
the
sng
knows
about
that.
So
you're
me
with
sng
that
that's
perfect!
That's
that's
just
what
we
want
to
want
to
do.
Thanks.
L
Yep
I'll
note
for
your
your
signage
notice
and
thank
you
22nd
that
24th
that
I
couldn't
remember
which
one
it
was
we
are
looking
at
additional
signage
for
this,
and
specifically,
we
are
looking
at
the
signage
for
motor
vehicles,
because
we
have
heard
a
lot
of
vehicles
kind
of
get
up
to
to
franklin
and
kind
of
make
that
a
legal
left.
L
So
we
are
looking
at
some
signage
there,
and
I
think
that
that's
maybe
a
good
point
that
we
could
also,
maybe
at
that
same
time,
look
at
signage
for
cyclists
that
they
can
use.
20
second
also-
and
I
think
that's
a
a
good
idea.
A
Okay,
christian,
I
have
just
a
couple
of
questions
and
with
the
screen
that
you
have
up
now
with
the
dotted
line
on
the
left
side
for
the
bike
and
the
solid
on
the
right
side
and
nothing
in
between.
Would
this
be
a
possibility
for
a
green
conflict
zone.
A
Okay,
how's
that
hear
me
now
would
that's
with
that
space.
That's
at
that
turn.
Could
you
put
a
green
conflict
zone
in
there.
L
Yeah,
okay,
so
typically
we
we
don't
mark
the
the
green
conflict
through
an
adjoining
intersection
there
at
these
side
streets
that
are
just
with
a
you
know,
unsignalized
at
our
signalized
locations
we
do,
but
typically
not
in
locations
such
as
as
this
one
here.
A
Okay,
all
righty,
and
then,
if
you
could
just
pull
up
the
other
image
real,
quick
and
on
that
very
up
on
the
upper
corner
where,
where
the
north,
the
north
lane
is
going
and
you'd
mention
that
there
might
be
some
kind
of
protection
you
can
do
at
that
intersection,
as
you
can
see,
that
turn
going
east
on
to
franklin
is,
is
wide
open
up
there
and
some
of
that
protection
might
be
helpful.
A
Just
to
let
people
know
that,
that's
you
know
a
bike
lane
just
to
cut
keep
them
from
cutting
into
that
corner
and.
L
A
Because
I
I
can
see,
there's
a
dilemma
to
get
people
north
and
south
from
20th
on
this.
It's
just
kind
of
wacky,
because
you
go
down
to
the
corner
there
and
if
you're
going
east
on
franklin,
you
can
take
the
streets,
but
if
you're
going
west
you
either
cross
the
street
or
you
take
the
sidewalk
until
you
get
to
that
intersection.
So
signing,
I
think,
is
a
potential
way
of
redirecting
people
on
22nd
or
you
know.
Is
there?
A
Is
that
sidewalk
wide
enough
to
support
being
a
shared
use
path?
I
don't
know,
and
then,
if
you
go
down
to
where
aaron
had
talked
about
that
car
is
coming
around
that
corner
when
it
bends
bends
to
the
south
there
would
there
be
a
chance
to
extend
that
green
space.
So
it's
more
blocky
on
that
corner,
so
cars
can't
just
ease
out
of
it,
in
other
words,
just
lower
it
down
and
sort
of
bring
it
to
where
the
car
is
right.
Now
the
green
space.
L
Yeah-
and
I
and
I'll
know
with
this
just
kind
of
being
like
the
the
concept
plan
is
as
the
the
engineering
sets
are
drawn
up,
I
think
they're
they're
probably
drawn
a
little
a
little
better
than
my
illustrator
capabilities,
so
we'll
make
sure
that
this
is
kind
of
you
know.
Has
that
standard.
L
You
know
some
sort
of
function
there,
so
it
you
know,
keeps
cars
where,
where
they
want
to
be,
and
we
we
don't
create
a
you
know,
a
conflict
there
where
vehicles
are
able
to
just
kind
of
veer
out
easily
into
the
bike
lane.
So
yeah
we'll
we'll
work
that
out
in
the
engineering
drive
okay
same.
A
Thing
to
the
just
in
the
other
southbound
lane,
where
it's
just
bent
in
maybe
if
that
extended
out
a
little
bit,
you
know
to
the
south,
it
might
be
just
a
little
nicer
transition
and
rather
than
that,
squareness
that's
there,
and
that
could
be
just
real
illustration,
too
sure.
The
last
question,
the
the
bike
lane
widths
here
are.
L
They'll
maintain
at
six
feet.
Okay,
I
think
actually,
this
one
here,
along
kind
of
since
it's
right
up
against
the
curb
here.
I
think
we're
actually
looking
at
around
eight
feet.
Okay,
very
good.
L
Yeah,
maybe
I
can
I
can
pull
it
up
on
a
google
maps
here.
L
This
is
so.
This
is
another
section
of
minnehaha
that
was
constructed
a
couple
years
ago
by
the
county.
L
As
you
can
see,
the
screen
conflict
marking
is
for
the
bike
lane
and
they're
at
signalized
intersections
kind
of
what
they
do.
Is
they
signal
to
cyclists
and
to
vehicles
themselves
that
this
is
kind
of
you
know
a
point
in
conflict
where
there
may
be
a
shared
space,
and
especially
at
these
turns
oh
go
back
to
there.
L
We
go
so
it's
just
kind
of
an
indication
to
vehicles
to
be
giving
that
right-of-way
and
being
aware
of
those
cyclists
that
this
is
their
dedicated
space
as
they
come
through
these
intersections,
and
it
just
gives
that
little
bit
of
extra
highlight
at
kind
of
a
predominant
intersection.
L
Typically,
where
you
have
more
turning
vehicles,
just
to
be
aware
of
the
cyclist
and
sometimes
at
certain
locations.
The
cyclists
in
the
vehicles
sometimes
share
the
space
as
vehicles
make
a
right-hand
turn.
So
it's
it's
just
kind
of
a
a
visual
cue
to
each
other
to
to
kind
of
be
aware
of
each
other's
presence.
L
So
typically,
we
just
do
these
at
intersections.
We
don't
do
them
at
our
more
local
streets,
so
typically
just
where
we
have
a
larger
volume
of
of
turns
occurring,
which
are
typically
at
our
signalized
intersections.
N
L
Yeah-
and
it's
it's
one
of
those
things
where
we
you
know,
are
trying
to
ensure
that
we're
providing
as
much
protection
as
we
can
at
these
locations,
but
also
understanding
that
you
know
we.
We
need
to
be
able
to
maintain
these
facilities
as
we
build
them
out,
and
you
know
we
just
have
I'm
not
sure
how
many
intersections
unsignalized
intersections
we
have
in
the
city,
but
it
would
be
a
significant
amount
of
of
maintenance
cost
and
just
ongoing
operations
that
we
would
also
have
at
these
intersections.
L
So
we
try
to
be
really
strategic
in
where
we
do
these
types
of
improvements
kind
of
at,
where
we're
getting
that
highest
cost
benefit
kind
of
intersection
and
tends
to
be
at
these
signalized
intersections
rather
than
our
more
local
streets.
N
C
Maybe
just
to
add
dana,
so
I
think
because
it
is
a
citywide
policy
and
christian
did
a
good
job
of
explaining
why
that
is.
You
know
we.
We
do
know
that
the
majority
of
crashes
happen
at
signalize
intersections,
and
so
that
is
part
of
kind
of
what
feeds
this
policy
as
well,
and
there
are
examples
where
non-signalized
may
have
it
this
the
same
way
like
we
kind
of
look
for
rectangular
rapid
flash
beacons
if
it's
like
a
safe,
runs
to
school
or
maybe
a
just
kind
of
a
unique
thing.
A
Okay,
jeremy,
you
still
have
your
hand
up,
I'm
not
sure
if
that's
just
to
hold
over
from
the
last
time
or.
A
L
A
Well,
thank
you
so
much
for
coming
to
the
bac.
Thank.
A
O
Hey
friends,
how's
it
going
good
thanks
great
thanks
for
having
me
I'm
gonna
share
some
slides
with
you
so
bear
with
me.
As
I
switch
the
technology
as
dan
said,
my
name
is
also
dan,
I'm
dan
edgerton.
I
am
a
contractor
with
public
works
in
the
tpp
group.
I
work
under
nathan
koster.
I
work
with
chris
and
do
a
lot
of
work
there.
My
employers
and
associates,
but
I'm
kind
of
functioning
as
an
extension
of
staff
as
the
as
the
project
planner
for
this
project.
O
So
I'm
here
in
that
capacity
to
tell
you
about
the
2nd
street
south
project,
so
I've
got
maybe
a
dozen
slides
that
I'll
run
through
kind
of
quick
to
give
a
project
overview
and
then
I'll
pause,
and
we
can
have
any
discussion
that
you
might
have
for
me
today.
So
with
that
a
quick
project
overview,
we
are
downtown
in
the
mill
district
kind
of
by
the
guthrie
by
the
stone
arch
bridge.
The
project
limits
are
second
street
south.
O
So
that's
one
block
north
or
northeast
of
of
washington
avenue
and
we
go
from
second
half
on
the
west.
So
that's
just
past
hennepin
all
the
way
down
to
13th
avenue
on
the
east,
which
is
right
up
to
35
w
there,
and
then
the
project
will
kind
of
wrap
around
on
13th
avenue
and
make
sort
of
an
opportunistic
connection
to
the
to
the
to
the
west
river
road
trail.
So
that's
the
project
limits
the
scope
of
the
project.
O
Really,
the
impetus
of
this
project
is
that
second
is
planned
for
a
pavement
rehabilitation
project
in
2023
so
next
summer
and
what
that
looks
like
is
kind
of
a
standard
mill
and
overlay.
It's
a
maintenance
project
designed
to
extend
the
life
of
the
pavement
and
what
we're
doing
is
taking
an
opportunistic
look
at
the
corridor.
Why
the
city
is
there
and
doing
the
pavement
rehabilitation?
O
Are
there
opportunities
to
make
additional
improvements
to
the
bikeway
along
the
way,
and
so
it's
kind
of
a
low
impact
type
of
project
it's
being
considered
for
funding
through
the
bikeway
funding
program?
It's
it's
bike,
28!
If
anybody
follows
along
with
that,
but
what
that
means
is
it's
a
it's
sort
of
a
small
level
project?
It's
not
a
full
reconstruction,
like
your
grand
avenue
or
your
bryant
avenue
things
things
like
that.
It's
a
it's
a
lower
level
of
impact,
so
the
scope
of
the
project
is
one
the
pavement
rehabilitation,
as
I
just
mentioned.
O
Why
they're
there
they
do
the
ada
curb
ramps
where
they
are
needed,
and
then
we
are
going
to
evaluate
options
as
part
of
this
project.
My
work
for
upgrading
the
existing
bikeway
and
I'll
talk
more
about
what
that
looks
like
today
and
what
it
could
look
like,
and
then
why
we're
there
making
some
spot
intersection
improvements
and
I'll
talk
more
about
that
as
well.
O
You
can
see
the
project
holes
on
the
screen.
This
is.
This
is
very
similar
wording
to
many
of
the
city
projects,
but
it's
really
about
better,
better
managing
the
street,
making
it
safer
and
more
effective
for
for
all
users
for
everybody,
so
so
that
it's
a
good
route
for
everybody,
creating
a
better
connection
in
the
all
ages
and
ability
network,
and
then
there
are
a
lot,
as
many
of
you
will
know,
there's
a
lot
of
development
in
this
area
with
with
new
condos
coming
up.
O
So
there
is
a
need
to
still
make
sure
that
we're
thinking
about
reasonable
access
for
residents
and
businesses
and
all
that
that
kind
of
stuff.
So
that's
that's
a
part
of
the
the
puzzle
as
well
here,
a
little
bit
on
timeline.
O
We're
just
getting
started
with
this
dan
dan
mentioned
that
this
is
zero
percent,
that
we
we
don't
have
a
a
concept
design
yet
kind
of
have
an
idea
of
where
it
might
go,
but
we
need
to
go
through
the
process
and
kind
of
v
that
that
all
out,
so
that's
what
we're
doing
now
is
sort
of
the
concept,
design
and
community
engagement.
O
The
idea
is
that
by
later
this
summer,
we'll
have
a
recommended
layout
and
then
we'll
have
kind
of
over
the
winter
to
do
engineering,
and
then
we
can
queue
that
up
for
installation
this
next
summer,
2023
on
the
back
of
that
pavement
rehabilitation
that
I
mentioned
earlier,
one
thing
to
note,
because
this
is
a
maintenance
project
and
it's
not
a
complete
reconstruct.
O
O
You
know
that
that's
noteworthy,
as
you
think
about
things
like:
what's
the
bac's
role
and
and
passing,
you
know
a
motion
of
of
support
that
that
kind
of
thing-
and
we
can
talk
more
about
that
later-
but
that's
the
timeline,
so
I've
got
some
slides
that
just
show
some
pictures
and
some
illustrations
of
what's
out
there
today
to
ground
folks,
if
they're,
if
they're
not
familiar
generally
speaking
second
street
today
has
two
through
lanes
of
traffic
on
the
outside.
It's
got.
You
know
buildings
sidewalks.
O
In
some
cases
there
are
boulevards.
In
some
cases
there
are
not.
It's
got
on-street
parking
on
both
sides,
and
then
it's
got
on-street
bike
facilities
on
both
sides.
In
some
cases
there's
a
little
bit
of
a
buffer
with
the
bike
facilities
just
just
painted,
in
other
cases,
they're,
not
at
any
rate
they're
they're,
the
directional
sort
of
traditional
old-school
style,
on-street
bike
lanes,
and
so
you
can
see
the
illustrated
cross
section
on
the
bottom
of
kind
of
how
that
looks.
O
So
this
is
the
stretch
you
know
that
goes
right
by
the
guthrie
by
the
the
gold
medal
park.
It's
a
it's
a
really
important
connection
for
for
the
bike
network,
the
aaa
network
and
we'll
show
some
maps
later
in
a
few
locations.
There
are
these.
What
I
think
are
a
temporary
condition:
temporary
delineator
posts
that
were
installed
and
the
purpose
of
those
temporary
delineator
posts
is
twofold.
O
I
mean,
I
think
it
helps
to
better
manage
vehicle
speeds
to
encourage
safer
vehicle
speeds,
but
really
it
provides
an
opportunity
for
a
safer,
shorter
pedestrian
crossing.
So
those
medians
temporary
style
meetings
exist
on
two
places
along
this
project.
One
is
park
avenue
and
then
the
other
one
is
10th
avenue,
so
those
both
are
park.
Avenue
is
just
west
of
of
the
guthrie
theater
and
10th
avenue
is
just
east
of
the
guthrie
theater
sort
of
making
those
connections
to
the
to
the
mill
district
to
the
stone
arch
bridge.
O
That
kind
of
thing,
so
they
look
like
this.
I
mentioned
I've
got
another
slide
on
this,
but
I
mentioned
earlier
that
we're
looking
at
the
potential
to
evaluate
upgrades
not
only
to
the
bikeway
but
also
to
spot
intersection
areas,
and
these
are
them.
These
are
the
intersections
that
we're
looking
at
and
and
finally
11th
avenue.
This
is
another
intersection.
That's
got
a
lot
going
on
with
these
temporary
delineator
posts
that
were
put
in
as
part
of
a
another
project
a
few
years
back.
Maybe
some
of
you
are
familiar
with
we're.
O
Also,
why
we're
there
gonna
look
at
at
what's
happening
at
this
intersection
and
and
see
if
there's
any
improvements
that
that
we
can
make
kind
of
within
the
scope
of
this
project.
So
it's
it's
part
of
the
it's
part
of
the
puzzle.
O
O
One
of
the
things
that
I've
heard
on
this
is
well.
You
know,
you've
got
washington
a
block
to
the
south
and
we
recently
upgraded
that
to
the
cycle
track.
Yes,
that's
true,
but
that
doesn't
go
all
the
way
down
that
doesn't
go
all
the
way
to
the
35w
project
area
and
as
of
now
washington
county
is
a
county.
Washington
avenue
is
a
county
road
and
the
county
doesn't
have
any
plans
to
sort
of
finish
that
that
bike
trail
so
2nd
street
becomes
that
that
link
in
the
network
to
make
those
connections.
O
And
so
it's
it's
a
really
important
bikeway
connection
for
the
city,
so
opportunity
areas,
I've
I've
touched
on
most
of
these,
but
what
what
I'm
tasked
with
is
taking
a
look
at
this,
as
I
mentioned
pavement
rehab
project
and
seeing
if
there
are
sort
of
low
cost
high
benefit
improvements
that
we
can
make
with
this
project
in
an
opportunistic
way.
Since
we're
going
to
be
there
anywhere
that
other
things
that
we
can,
we
can
go
in
and
sort
of
improve.
So
that
looks
like
the
intersection
improvements
that
I
that
I
mentioned
park.
O
Ave
10th,
ave,
11th,
ave,
there's
also
a
bump
out
at
the
at
the
guthrie
that
helps
connect
to
their
parking
ramp.
That
we'll
take
a
look
at
and
then
with
the
bikeway.
You
know
today
they
have
the
directional
bike
lanes.
Are
there
improvements
that
we
can
make
can?
Can
we
upgrade
that
to
a
protected
bikeway
configuration
so
that
could
be
paint
and
delineator
posts
kind
of
on
the
low
end
on
the
higher
end?
Maybe
it's
floating
curbs
and
there
are
some
some
illustrations
of
what
those
look
like.
O
We
can
talk
more
about
that,
but
can
we
upgrade
that
to
a
protected
bikeway
condition,
and
what
does
that
look
like?
So
just
a
few
slides
with
more
pictures,
and
I
promise
I'm
almost
done
here
intersection
improvements.
What
that
might
look
like
is
a
floating
slab
of
concrete
to
take
the
temporary
delineator
post
pedestrian
crossing
and
make
it
make
it
a
more
permanent
median.
So
there's
kind
of
an
illustration
of
what
that
might
look
like
this
is
a
terrible
picture.
O
I
know,
but
I
was
out
there
a
couple
of
weeks
ago,
right
after
we
got
our
our
false
spring
and
had
a
snowstorm
for
the
11th
avenue
intersection.
One
of
the
things
that
we're
going
to
look
at
is
you
know:
there's
there's
posts
out
there
today,
but
can
we
do
more
of
a
permanent,
protected
intersection?
This
this
picture
on
the
bottom
is
a
really
nice
sort
of
rehab
retrofit
protected
intersection
design
that
was
put
in
as
part
of
the
whittier
lindale
bikeway.
This
is
actually
31st
street
and
bladesdale.
O
I
believe,
but
you
know,
can
we
clean
up
that
11th
avenue
intersection
to
make
it
a
little
bit
more
intuitive
for
all
the
users,
it's
kind
of
hard
now
with
the
crosswalks
and
the
conflict
striping
which
which
we
talked
about
in
the
last
presentation
and
and
then
the
post,
it's
just
there's
it's
it's
a
complicated
intersection
and
there's
a
lot
going
on
so
can
can
we
clean
that
up
and
then
bikeway
improvements?
I
I
touched
on
this,
but
the
the
the
sort
of
base
level
of
improvement
that
we'll
look
at
is.
O
O
There
two-way
bikeways
tend
to
simplify
decision
points
at
the
intersection,
and
you
know
we've
had
success
in
other
parts
of
the
city's
putting
city
putting
those
in
if
we
can
afford
it
within
the
budget
of
the
bike
28
program,
I
would
love
to
see
the
in
street
curb
protected
bike
lanes
go
in,
but
it's
a
it's
a
bigger
cost
item.
O
So
it's
it's
something
that
I'm
thinking
of
as
sort
of
like
a
a
continuum
or
a
hierarchy
like
if
I
can
recommend
a
base
project
great
we'll,
do
this
at
a
minimum
and
then,
if
we
can
throw
in
additional
features
that
that
will
use.
You
know
that
we'll
keep
adding
up
until
the
point
where
we
get
to
our
budget
cap
and
get
the
best
project
that
we
can
afford.
O
O
O
We'll
do
some
direct
one-on-one
outreach
with
the
adjacent
properties
we'll
meet
with
with
other
community
organizations
in
the
area
mailings
things
like
that,
all
moving
towards
our
recommendation
on
on
what
we
hope.
It'll
look
like
later.
This
fall
with
the
hopes
of
having
the
project
installed
in
2023..
O
So
that's
the
end
of
my
presentation,
so
I'd
like
to
pause
for
a
discussion
and
I'll
just
open
I'll
I'll
turn
it
back
to
dan
and
open
it
up
for
questions
and
comments.
I
Okay,
janice
just
to
clarify,
were
you
saying
that
right
now,
there's
two
one-way
bike
lanes
and
that
there's
a
possibility
of
a
protected
two-way
bike
lane
on
the
north
side
along
the
whole
length?
Is
that
what
you
were
saying.
O
I
So
that's
the
kind
of
thing
that
we
should
weigh
in
on
on
a
resolution.
I'm
assuming.
I
O
Yep
thanks
and
we
do
kind
of
have
it.
You
know
just
for
just
to
chase
that
thread
down
a
little
bit.
We
do
have
it
kind
of
sort
of
drawn
out,
but
it
hasn't
been
engineered.
Yet
we
think
that
the
north
side
works
better,
there's
fewer
intersections.
You
know
because
you've
got
the
park
and
you've
got
the
theater.
O
G
Hi,
I'm
really
glad
to
see
that
this
is
being
addressed.
I
happen
to
ride
on
the
street
all
the
time,
so
I
have
a
number
of
suggestions.
The
first
one
I
actually
spoke
with
matthew
durdol
about
this
a
couple
years
ago
on
13th
avenue
people
park
in
the
bike
lane
constantly
it's
essentially
viewed
as
a
parking
lane.
G
So
there's
there's
at
you
know
you
need
to
access
the
university
of
minnesota's
parking
ramp.
There's
a,
I
think.
Is
it
an
excel
or
a
center
point
facility
there,
but
the-
and
there
are
a
couple
entrances
to
one
of
the
condos
there
on
the
corner
and
there's
a
parking
lot.
So
there's
no
parking
normally
there.
G
So
if
we
could
get
that-
and
I
think
there's
space
for
this,
especially
now
that
all
the
construction
seems
to
be
complete
over
there
with
the
11
being
done
getting
just
put
just
delineated
protected
bike
lanes
the
entire
length
of
13th
there's,
there's
no
really
no
reason
for
there
to
be
a
bike
lane.
There.
G
And
I
also
want
to
say
that
I
think
the
bi-directional
protected
bike
lane
on
the
north
side
would
be
great.
G
G
I
think
that
would
pretty
much
resolve
that
issue,
because
there
wouldn't
be
parking
and
it
would
be
get
more
light
than
the
other
side
of
the
street
does
yeah,
and
it
would
also
deal
with
the
fact
that
bus
drivers
park
in
the
bike
lane
all
the
time
in
front
of
the
guthrie,
and
so
you
get
a
lot
of
blockages
of
really
big
vehicles.
G
O
O
I
don't
want
to
sound
like
the
miser
here,
but
it's
going
to
be
the
the
issue
with
this
project
isn't
going
to
be
that
we
don't
have
support
to
do
it.
It's
going
to
be
that
that
we
can't
afford
to
do
it
in
some
cases.
It's
as
it's
sort
of
this
opportunistic
look,
but
I'm
definitely
hoping
we
can
get
in
and
do
something
at
11.
G
H
Hey
yeah,
thank
you
good
to
see
you
again
dan.
The
I'm
excited
about
this
project
too.
For
a
lot
of
the
same
reasons.
Jeremy
was
just
talking
about.
H
I
think
the
snow
clearance
alone
is
going
to
make
a
huge
difference
on
second,
one
thing
that
I
would
urge
is
obviously
I
know
you're
gonna
within
the
budget,
look
for
the
budget
to
curb,
protect
it
and
so
cur
protected
for
the
duration,
especially
in
a
two-way
bicycle
facility,
where
the
the
basically
cyclists,
since
we
travel
on
the
right
side,
we'll
be
going
head
on
toward
cars.
H
The
closest
cyclists
to
the
cars
will
be
heading
kind
of
in
that
head-on
zone
and
so
making
sure
that
if
the
funding's
there
to
curb
protect
it,
that
would
be
ideal.
I
one
suggestion
I
I
would
say
if
the
funding
isn't.
I
H
Is
if
you
look
at
that
that
image
you
were
showing
as
an
example
with
the
whittier
window
by
play.
I've
become
pretty
familiar
with
that
already
it's.
So
if
you
were
to
take
each
of
those
little
corners
of
the
protected
zone
and
kind
of
and
expand
it,
like
so
say,
see
where
the
snow
is
on
the
bottom
right
of
that
picture.
So
you
start
another
section
of
concrete
there
and
just
continue
it
long
enough.
H
So
cyclists
don't
have
to
worry
about
a
car
kind
of
accidentally
going
into
that
zone,
but
really
really
make
it
feel
like
a
protected
zone
and
then
use
those
delineators
in
between
intersections
I've
been
kind
of
thinking
that
might
work
as
a
lower
budget
solution
for
some
protected
bikeways
for
a
while.
But
I
think
this
this
sounds
like
based
on
the
budget
constraints
could
be
that
time.
H
H
I
know
like
around
28th
or
26th
street
and
first
avenue
in
the
non-current
like
soon
hopefully
soon
to
be
a
curb
protected
zone,
but
I
really
think
that
that
works
well,
and
I
think
if
you,
I
think,
drivers
right
now
are
a
little
confused
by
it,
and
I
know
I've
seen
cars
turn
right
in
front
of
me.
H
O
Yeah,
I
agree
thank
you,
aaron
and
I've
I'm
very
familiar
with
that
location
and
have
been
out
there
looking
at
it,
as
we
think
about
first
avenue,
you
know
and
and
what
that
looks
like
so
yeah.
A
Okay,
are
there
any
other
hands
people
that
wish
to
speak
questions
all
right?
I've
got
one
question
to
ask
dan,
and
this
is
sorry
it's
a
bit
of
a
curveball,
but
I'm
I'm
trying
here
and
that
is
as
you're
reviewing
this.
A
Could
you
maybe
just
take
an
eye
to
available
bike
parking?
You
had
mentioned
that
this
is
a
busy
pass-through
and
all
that
stuff,
but
where
do
people
in
groups
park?
In
other
words,
there's
different
kinds
of
parking
now
mill?
A
City
museum
is
the
one
I'm
most
familiar
with,
where
it's
basically
posts
and
there's
a
couple
of
them
there,
where
you
can
get
two
bikes
on
or
if
you're
with
another
person
start
to
get
it
get
more,
but
I'm
talking
about
group
parking
and
where
that
might
be
able
to
be
obvious
that
that
you'll
see
it
as
a
biker
rather
than
disappearing
behind
a
car
or
or
whatever
I
know,
on
lake
street.
A
I
brought
up
the
aspect
with
the
amount
of
parking
that
remained
there
that
maybe
to
look
at
some
bike
rails,
and
I
don't
know
it
would
just
be
nice
to
have
another
different
eye
on
it.
To
take
a
look,
thank
you.
O
Yeah
thanks
dan.
That's
a
great
comment.
I'll
definitely
take
a
look.
It
gets,
as
you
know,
complicated
down
there
and
working
with
the
counterparts
within
the
city,
mobility
coordinator
and
others.
You
know,
for
instance,
at
11th,
that's
where
we've
got
the
kind
of
pilot
of
the
scooter
corrals
that
are
it's
just
painted
on
now,
but
you
know,
look
who
goes
where
and
how
we
allocate
that
space
as
part
of
it,
and
you
know
I'll.
A
F
Oh,
you
know
just
dan.
I
just
wanted
to
reiterate
that
there
really
are
a
lot
of
yeah
group
activities
where
people
I'm
thinking
of
the
mcknight
foundation.
I've
been
to
minions,
where
it's
just
impossible
to
find
a
place
to
park,
so
the
mcknight
foundation,
mill
city,
obviously
the
guthrie,
the
music
school.
Is
there
there's
a
city
building?
It's
it's
really
a
big
concentration,
so
I
it's.
F
If
ever
there
were
going
to
be
some
larger
place
for
bike
parking,
this
would
be
yeah
somewhere
in
there
thanks.
Thank
you.
G
Oh
yeah,
just
a
couple
more
thoughts
briefly,
I
just
wanted
to
echo
what
jesse
said
about
the
the
curb
protected
protected
bike
lane
or
bi-directional
pbl,
because-
and
I
realize
this
is
obviously
cost
related.
G
But
you
know
the
reason
I
go
in
this
segment
every
day
is
because
I'm
burling
a
child
to
daycare
downtown,
and
I
use
the
dinkytown
greenway,
which
sends
me
out
on
the
13th
avenue,
and
I
would
never
take
my
children
on
second,
as
is
now,
I
always
go
on
west
river
parkway,
which
is
is
generally
nice,
but
has
some
problematic
stretches.
But
if
there
were
the
curb
protection
there,
that
would
kind
of
change.
Part
of
the
experience,
especially
when
you're
have
vulnerable
cargo
and
then
just
an
extra
thought.
G
I've
noticed
a
lot
in
on
especially
university
avenue
and
4th
street
southeast
that
folks
well
there,
when
there
used
to
be
plastic
delineators
on
in
that
bike,
lane
buffer,
which
for
some
reason,
they're,
not
folks
who,
just
at
the
intersections
just
pull
right
into
the
pbl,
so
the
delineators
are
great,
but
they
also,
I
think,
kind
of
create
a
sense
of
like
oh.
This
is
like
a
automobile
cozy
or
something
yeah.
O
N
Yeah,
I
know
just
a
very
quick
comment
about
the
the
other
group
that
that's
there
I
I
probably
am
on
this
weekly
as
well
and
the
other
group.
That's
there
is
the
farmer's
market
during
the
during
the
summer
months
and
you
know,
and
and
if
you're
it
and
when
it's
there
there
are
people
going
back
and
forth.
There's
cars
coming
up
and
down,
there's
bikes
coming
through
and
I
don't
know
if
there
is
some
kind
of
nice
way
to
be
able
to
to
kind
of
manage
all
of
that
particularly
pedestrian
activity.
N
That
comes
from
the
farmer's
market
and,
of
course,
obviously,
when
the
guthrie
lets
out
it's
the
same
kind
of
thing,
but
I
don't
you
know
just
some
kind
of
nice
way
to
to
get
have
everybody
doing
the
nice
thing.
There
would
be
great.
O
Yeah
the
event
traffic
is
a
point
well
taken.
Thank
you
and
I
I
j
yeah.
I
know
you
got
to
go,
but
for
what
it's
worth,
I
think,
having
the
two-way
protected
bike,
lane
sort
of
pulling
pulling
the
bike
facility
away
will
help
to
reinforce
here's
the
sidewalk,
here's
the
bike
facility.
Here's
where
the
parking
is
you
know,
it'll
help
to
delineate
those
spaces
and
hopefully
help
with
event
traffic.
A
All
righty
and
you
would
could
use
some
support.
O
On
this
I
don't
necessarily
need
a
resolution
of
support.
Now,
if
you,
if
you
think
you
could
give
give
one,
you
know
with
any
kind
of
specific
language
I'll
take
it,
but
that
that's
kind
of
where
we're
at
yeah,
like
I
mentioned
this,
doesn't
go
through
the
the
same
approval
process,
but
definitely
anything
you
can
do
to
help
us
head
in
the
right
direction
is
appreciated
all
right.
O
Okay
thanks:
I
love
that
one
too
yeah.
Okay,
all.
A
Right:
okay:
we've
got
the
9th
and
10th
street
bikeways
downtown
10,
with
chris
cartizer.
C
Yeah
thanks
dan
and
hello,
everybody
I'll
try
and
make
this
presentation
quick.
So
we
can
still
try
and
get
out
on
time
but
happy
to
stay
as
long
as
needed
for
questions
so
9th
and
10th
street
bikeways.
We've
been
looking
at
these
in
different
variations
for
a
number
of
years
in
minneapolis.
C
We're
currently
looking
to
have
this
project
budgeted
for
2023
so
next
year,
we'd
be
looking
at
installation
and
hopefully
try
and
arrange
that
so
that
would
be
on
the
earlier
side
of
implement
implementation
next
year,
a
little
bit,
some
background
information,
a
lot
of
pedestrians,
some
kind
of
low,
mid
traffic
bike
traffic
currently
today
and
then
three
to
12
000
vehicles
in
different
parts
of
the
area,
and
there
is
a
project
map
there.
So
you
can
see
we're
going
from
hennepin
avenue
on
kind
of
the
northwest
side
to
chicago.
C
This
is
actually
centennial
at
this
part
and
then
and
then
park
here
on
9th
and
10th
and
and
for
those
who
don't
know
9th
and
10th
downtown
are
parallel
one
ways,
and
so
that's
why
we're
looking
at
at
these
together,
you
can
see
existing
conditions.
There.
C
We've
got
the
bike
on
the
left
side,
just
a
standard
bike
lane
with
a
a
small
buffer,
three
lanes
of
traffic
and
then
parking
on
both
sides
of
the
roadway
10th
has
parking
a
little
bit
less
parking
along
the
corridor,
but
but
some
parking
as
well.
I
think
23
out
of
23
spots
on
10th
and
about
I
think
it's
67.
C
It
comes
out
to
about
an
even
hundred
between
the
two
quarters,
so
around
70
parking
spots
on
on
ninth
here,
ninth
is
a
high
injury
street
and
also
just
generally,
you
know,
downtown
has
a
decent
amount
of
crashes.
So
that's
something
that
we're
paying
close
attention
to
and
we
will
be
treating
this,
I'm
working
with
our
vision,
zero
team
to
to
make
sure
that
they
get
their
vision,
zero
aspects
that
are
typical
for
theirs
and
and
put
it
in
with
this
project.
C
The
bikeway
project
has
the
potential
to
satisfy
a
lot
of
the
vision,
zero
design
that
we
would
do,
but
there's
a
few
extra
things
that
that
we'll
add
in
that
we
may
not
typically
do
on
all
of
our
all
of
our
bike
projects
and
yeah.
So
I'm
going
to
switch
over
so
briefly,
I
just
want
to
say
explain
why
it's
at
10.
C
This
is
the
first
time
that
you
all
have
ever
seen
this
project
haven't,
haven't
brought
it
before
the
reason
I
put
it
at
10
and
the
reason
there's
been
some
design
work
is
some
of
you
may
know
that,
there's
a
history
on
9th
and
10th
sometime
in
the
last
decade,
I
want
to
say
maybe
six
or
seven
years
ago
there
was
conversations
about
putting
a
bikeway
and
potentially
a
protected
bikeway,
and
that
did
not
happen,
and
so
I
just
wanted
to
kind
of
be
sensitive
of
that
to
take
the
time
on
the
front
end
to
do
some,
I
called
it
a
proof
of
concept
here,
just
as
kind
of
a
starter
template
for
some
of
the
conversations
for
some
of
those
folks
that
weren't
interested
in
this
the
the
last
time
around
and
essentially
what
we've
done
here
is
is
say,
okay
with
our
new
design
standards
that
are
different
than
when
we
looked
at
this
seven
years
ago.
C
Are
we
able
to
maintain
particularly
kind
of
the
parking
with
this
temporary
bikeway
design
and
also
for
the
for
the
most
part
travel
lanes?
There
are
some
parts
where
we're
looking
at
removing
travel
lanes
in
order
to
make
sure
that
we
can
have
a
aaa
facility
and
more
conversations
needed
on
that,
but
that
that's
just
a
little
bit
on
why
there's
been
some
more
design
work.
This
is
by
no
means
a
finished
concept,
a
lot
more
work
to
go
into
this
and
looking
forward
to
kind
of
feedback
on
what
this
looks
like.
C
So
with
that
I'll
I'll,
just
kind
of
run
through
quickly
on
ninth,
we
have
a
parking
protected
bikeway
for
the
length
of
the
corridor,
so
we're
looking
at
maintaining
and
there's
currently
two
travel
lanes
out
there
on
ninth
today
and
so
we're
just
maintaining
what's
out
there
in
terms
of
parking
and
travel
lanes,
but
using
the
extra
road
space
to
go
into
this
buffered
area
and
the
bike
lane.
C
One
thing
that
will
definitely
change
and
we've
started
looking
into,
but
it's
not
quite
ready
to
bring
here.
Is
these
protected
elements?
You
know
we're
going
to
be
looking
a
lot
more
closely
at
what
the
best
design
is
there
in
terms
of
mixing
zones
or
protected
intersections,
and
things
like
that.
So
I
expect
a
lot
more
detail
to
come
out
in
that
by
the
next
time
that
I
would
come
back
here.
C
Some
of
these
blocks
are
pretty
standard
and
because
there's
one
ways
there's
no
turning
movements,
so
this
is
just
as
you
can
see,
kind
of
an
easy
one,
and
that
is
just
a
protected
bikeway.
The
whole
way
through
we
don't
have
to
worry
about
any
left,
turns
there.
C
Also
looking
at
maintaining
all
current
access
routes,
loading
zones
and-
and
things
like
that
again,
these
kind
of
transition
areas
could
look
very
different
in
the
next
iteration
and
likely
will
in
many
cases
we
do
have
examples
that
look
like
this
one
in
the
city,
where
we
kind
of
have
a
mixing
zone
and
there's
still
some
protection,
but
the
the
vehicles
that
are
turning
are
in
there
with
the
bike
lane.
This
is
kind
of
nacto
guidance,
kind
of
tells
us
how
to
do
this
taper
and
mixing
zone,
and
things
like
that.
C
As
we
get
closer
to
hennepin
here,
a
slight
taper
up
and
then
we
would
connect
into
the
hennepin
ave
bikeways
there
and
then
quickly
on
10th,
like
I
said,
a
lot
less
parking,
so
yeah
yeah,
there's,
there's
less
parking
protected
or
no
parking
protected
on
certain
blocks.
C
Two
blocks
here
that
we'll
have
to
look
that
are
the
most
constrained
blocks
on
the
corridor,
so
tenth
here
between
lasalle
and
marquette
is
a
little
bit
trickier
and
that
we're
at
minimums
already
with
a
five
foot
bike,
lane
ten
foot,
travel
lanes
and
then
and
technically
seven
foot
parking
is
the
minimum
you
can
go.
But
when
we
have
all
other
minimums,
then
eight
is
the
minimum
that
we
can
go.
C
So
this
is
very
constrained
and
we
are
in
conversations
about
what
it
would
look
like
to
remove
a
laven
of
travel
here
to
ensure
that
we
have
a
triple
a
bikeway,
the
entire
length
of
the
corridor,
so
that
would
be
for
both
both
of
these
blocks.
This
one's
a
little
bit
trickier
because
we
have
the
bump
outs
here.
That
kind
of
secure
excuse
me
secure
the
parking,
but
also
if
we
were
able
to
take
a
travel
lane,
we
would
be
able
to
get
a
aaa
facility
in
there.
C
Then
the
rest
of
tenth
is
pretty
straightforward.
The
bike
lane
stays
on
on
that
side
of
the
roadway
the
whole
time.
There's
a
couple
mixing
zones
we'll
also
look
at
some
protected
elements
where
there's
space
for
it
along
along
these
along
10th,
and
then
it
tapers
down
to
two
lanes
here,
a
little
bit
less
vehicle
traffic
and
it's
pretty
straightforward.
Until
then,
we
get
to
this
intersection,
which
is
park
and
tenth
and
we'll
be
looking
at
at
some
very
detailed
design
about
how
to
do
this
right
now.
C
The
tricky
part
is
having
a
bikeway
where
you
want
to
allow
the
bike
to
turn
left,
but
the
bikeway's
on
the
far
side
on
park,
so
you'd
essentially
be
kind
of
putting
the
the
cars
and
bikes
cars
turning
left
on
the
park
in
conflict
with
the
bikes
there
there's
a
few
different
ways
to
to
manage
it.
This.
This
was
a
very
preliminary
kind
of
look.
C
I
think
we'd
be
looking
at
a
mixture
of
protection
and
kind
of
mixing
zones
and
allowing
bikes
to
get
where
they
need
to
go,
and
the
bike
currently
today,
there's
kind
of
something
here
that
allows
bikes
to
go
straight
here
and
continue
down
temp
as
well.
So
that's
just
a
really
quick
kind
of
throw
the
whole
layout
at
you.
I'm
happy
to
go
back
over
any
details.
Take
questions.
Comments,
definitely
plan
to
be
back
here
at
a
minimum
of
once,
but
possibly
more
than
that,
and
oh
actually.
C
One
other
thing
that
I
should
mention,
which
I
think
we
talked
about
last
time,
is
that
we
are
putting
in
a
regional
solicitation
application
for
this
project,
not
for
the
project
that
I
just
showed
you,
but
for
ninth
and
tenth
as
a
separate
project
that
would
follow
this
one,
and
so,
with
that
project
we
would
be
looking
at
putting
more
curb
in.
C
We
could
potentially
reevaluate
this
design
entirely
or
just
kind
of
protect
this
design
by
putting
curb
in
or
potentially
depending
on
kind
of,
the
funds
available
for
that
at
certain
points,
maybe
putting
bikes
behind
the
curb
on
the
sidewalk
if
it
makes
sense,
but
all
that
would
kind
of
be
figured
out
in
a
separate
process
if
we're
awarded
those
funds.
E
I
guess:
has
there
been
any
two
questions?
First,
has
there
been
any
like
consideration
of
of
swapping
the
lanes
to
the
right
side
of
the
street
for
both
streets
because,
like
you
were
saying
at
the
end
there
I
mean
both
streets
both
of
these
sections
end
with
switching
with
connecting
to
a
bike
lane
on
the
other
side
of
the
on
the
right
side,
which
is
I
mean,
I've
done
both
of
these
pretty
frequently
and
it's
pretty
gnarly
to
get
across
there
and
continue
on
either
9th
or
10th.
C
Yeah,
so
I
I
have,
we
have
thought
about
that,
and
and
looked
at
that
I'll
I'll
say
politically
right
now
I
don't
see
that
happening
on.
C
Ninth
the
downtown
council
and
business
owners
have
been
very
engaged
about,
curbside
uses
downtown
of
late,
and
you
may
be
familiar
with
the
temporary
kind
of
jersey
barriers
that
are
out
on
ninth
now
and,
and
that
was
kind
of
a
public
safety
effort,
and
so
those
stakeholders
are
very
interested
in
activating
the
space
on
that
side
of
the
street
with
a
bikeway
which
I
you
know,
those
are
some
of
the
same
stakeholders
that
didn't
want
a
bikeway
on
here
at
all
six
or
seven
years
ago,
and
and
so
that's
something
that
with
ninth
taking
into
account
with
the
regional
solicitation.
C
You
know,
I
think
that,
because
that
would
be
a
more
substantial
budget.
This
is
like
two
hundred
thousand,
where,
whereas
a
regional
solicitation
could
be
five
or
six
million,
that
might
be
an
opportunity
to
look
at
if
it
makes
sense
to
change
it
and
if
there
are
other
design
things
that
we
can
do
to
mitigate
some
of
those
curbside
uses.
At
that
point,
and
then
tenth,
you
know
it.
C
It
is
a
lot
more
simple
for
the
majority
of
the
corridor
for
10th
on
this
side,
because
there's
basically
no
parking
for
the
most
part
except
the
two
tricky
blocks,
and
then
also
this
intersection
would
be
really
tough
here
to
it.
It
almost
be
harder,
I
think,
than
navigating
the
kind
of
switching
of
sides
at
the
end
of
it
with
the
interchange,
and
so
we
have
looked
at
that
and
it's
something
that
we
could
look
at
again.
C
I
think
probably
most
likely
for
the
regional
solicitation,
but
if
this
group
does
have
a
strong
opinion
on
that,
I
don't
want
to
just
shut
that
down,
so
I
would
be
interested
in
in
hearing.
I
don't
want
to
completely
stifle
that
conversation,
but
that's
just
some
of
the
thoughts
I've
had
to
date
on
that.
E
That's
a
good
point
on
10th
I
hadn't
been
thinking
about
the
interchange
there
yeah.
My
second
question-
I
guess
was
going
to
be
about
you
mentioned
the
jersey
barriers.
Has
that
been?
I
guess
successful,
because
most
of
this
looks
great,
I'm
very
excited,
but
for
that
portion
between
nikola
and
hennepin
on
ninth-
it's
I
mean
switching
from
jersey,
barriers
to
flexiposts
is
going
to
be
making
it
less
protected
than
it
is
now.
C
Yeah,
so
the
jersey
barriers
were
never
meant
to
be
permanent
and
that's
not
a
permanent
solution.
The
downtown
council
actually
paid
for
the
installation
of
those
so
that
that
wasn't
public
works.
I
did
help
coordinate
that
we
we
coordinated
with
that.
That
was
a
very
direct
request
that
came
out
of
property
owners
mpd
in
the
downtown
council
about
dealing
with
those
issues
right
there.
It's
never
been
the
intention
to
automatically
decide
that
we
wouldn't
like
today
with
that
temporary.
C
We
don't
have
any
parking
out
there,
not
that
we
couldn't
take
away
parking
with
this
conversation,
but
that
would
also
have
to
be
a
part
of
the
conversation
you
know
per
space.
I
think
it's
about
fifty
thousand
dollars
a
year
that
a
parking
spot
downtown
brings
in,
and
so
it's
no
small,
it's
that
that's
no
small
amount
that
goes
into
our
general
fund
and
allows
us
to
do
some
of
this
stuff.
C
So
not
that
that
should
be
the
only
reason
that,
like
we
always
keep
parking,
but
that's
something
else
that
we'd
have
to
discuss
and
and
in
terms
of
whether
it's
a
success
or
not.
I
from
the
folks
who
requested
that
and
the
downtown
council,
they
seem
very
happy
with
it.
In
terms
of
you
know,
the
public
safety
issues
have
lessened
somewhat
and
and
they're
also
aware
that
that's
not
a
long-term
solution.
A
D
Yeah
out
of
necessity,
I've
used
10th
a
lot
to
go
back
home
after
picking
up
my
daughter
from
school
by
bike,
and
I
feel
like
that.
The
the
two
most
stressful
blocks
are
the
ones
that
have
the
least
amount
of
treatment
here
for
the
the
ones
that
have
the
parking
on
both
sides.
D
So
I
would
definitely
urge
to
to
see
what
we
can
do
about
having
minimums
for
everything,
because
the
8
plus
the
5
is
a
13
total
and
it's
still
not
enough
to
have
enough
room
for
folks
to
park
and
to
have
people
riding
bikes
next
to
them,
especially
because
of
the
the
different
side
of
the
road
and
not
being
expected.
D
I
think
oftentimes
here
we
find
ourselves
riding
on
the
outside
white
line
of
the
bike
lane,
because
the
people
who
are
parking
here
are
usually
either
on
the
striping
for
the
bike
lane
or
a
little
bit
into
the
bike
lane
and
then
I'll.
Obviously,
there's
there's
dooring
situations
too,
but
I
haven't
been
doored
yet,
but
it's
only
a
matter
of
time.
C
Yeah,
no,
that
I
mean
those
are
very
good
points,
and
so
you
had
asked
about
existing
conditions.
These
are
actually
the
existing
conditions
out
there
today
what's
shown
on
the
screen,
and
so
you
know
it's,
it's
not
a
triple
a
facility,
and
if
we
don't
improve
that
by
taking
away
a
lane
of
of
travel,
would
be
really
the
only
way
to
do
that
or
potentially
parking
to
get
that
protection.
So
I
I
appreciate
all
those
points.
I
H
Yeah
yeah,
so
I
I
may
not
have
any
groundbreaking
question,
but
I'm
just
curious
is
the
plan
then,
because
this
is
a
triple
a
network
or
would
be,
would
it
be
to
have
curb
protection,
then
through
a
concrete
curve,
or
would
it
be
bollards.
C
No
thanks
for
that
question
for
this
initial
project
we
haven't
budgeted
for
curb.
I
I
want
to
say
that
a
curb
protected
bikeway
around
about,
I
would
say,
is
like
I
think,
maybe
a
hundred
thousand
a
block.
I
might.
C
I
might
be
a
little
off
on
that,
but
in
comparison
we
have
about
200
000
for
this
first
project,
but,
like
I
said
that
regional
solicitation,
I
think,
is
a
strong
application,
potentially
our
strongest
bikeway
application
of
this
round,
and
so
I'm
pretty
hopeful
that
we'd
be
able
to
kind
of
follow
up
within
a
couple
years
to
have
that
curve
protection
which
I
think
would
be
ideal
out.
H
Here
I
guess
kind
of
a
secondary
thought
done
with
that.
Is
I
assume
you
were
you
heard
what
I
was
saying
with
the
last
project
that,
like
maybe
you
do
something
where
you
kind
of
do
like
a
little
bit
of
curve
protection
just
right
at
some
key
intersections,
just
to
really
like
solidify
that
it's
a
bike
away
and
spare
yourself
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
and
just
kind
of
like
give
it
that
minimal
amount
of
protection
and
then
use
flexi
posts
in
between
those
blocks.
C
Yeah
you
know,
given
that
we'll
be
coming
back
with
a
much
bigger
project
that
will
have
curb
work,
I'm
really
hesitant
to
put
any
money
into
something
permanent
that
we
might
just
knock
down
and
we
we
are
like
tight
on
this
budget,
already
kind
of
pushing
it.
So
I
I
appreciate
the
sentiment.
What
I
will
say
is
like
we
will.
We
are
looking
at
having
the
flex
posts
and
painted
lines
kind
of
outlining
those
same
football
shapes
and
and
protected
elements
which
I
think
you
know.
C
Obviously
those
do
get
hit
and
they
do
come
down,
but
we'd
only
have
to
maintain
those
theoretically
for
two
to
three
years
before
we
can
get
in
and
and
make
those
more
permanent
on
this
corridor.
Good.
A
So
chris
this
is
dan,
and
so
is
this
project
there's
no
resurfacing
of
the
street.
It's
pretty
much
paint
and
bullard's.
Is
that
correct.
C
Correct
yeah,
we
might
look
at.
I
know
there
are
parts
of
ninth
and
I
I
don't
know-
maybe
maybe
jesse
knows
about
10th,
but
where,
where
the
element
right
up
against
the
curb
in
some
parts,
that's
like
an
extended
cement
gutter
in
some
parts,
it's
asphalted.
I
believe
it
mixes
both
of
those
throughout
these
two
streets,
some
of
it's
in
rough
shape.
So
we
might
look
to
like
fill
that,
but
it
wouldn't
be.
We
wouldn't
mail
like
huge
sections
or
and
we're
not
doing
a
resurfacing
on
the
entire
streets.
A
Okay,
janice
nope.
Anybody
else
have
any
questions
here
for
chris.
Thank
you
chris.
This
is
looking
good.
A
All
righty,
so
I
think,
there's
chris.
Would
you
like
some
a
resolution
on
this
or
some
support.
C
I
don't
need
one
at
this
point.
If
there's
anything
like
really
substantial
that
you
all
want
to
call
out
you,
you
know
I
mean,
maybe
it
could
be
helpful
to
to
have
a
stance
on
the
the
the
spot
between
lasalle
and
marquette.
So
so,
if
you
all
wanted
to
do
something
that
either
way,
I
can
bring
the
feedback
back
from
the
group.
I
think
it's
probably
pretty
supported
across
the
group,
whether
there's
a
resolution
or
not
that
you'd
want
that
to
be
a
more
protected
legs.
A
Okay,
so
we
have
several
resolutions
that
are
worth
taking
a
look
at.
I
have
I've
asked
in
the
past
if
there's
people
that
are
particularly
interested
in
leading
up
any
of
these,
my
intent
would
be
to
have
something
roughed
out
by
the
end
of
the
week
and
then
to
distribute
it
to
the
members
that
have
attended
this
meeting
for
comment
before
it.
Heads
to
the
final
b
to
the
final
to
the
full
bac
meeting
and
I
see
phil's
hand
up.
F
Yeah
sure
dan
I'll
I'll
help
with
the
I
can
start
to
sketch
out
the
mini
between
franklin
and
24th.
Okay,
very
good.
A
C
Maybe
I'll
put
in
one
last
plug
for
applications
due
friday
or
membership.
So
I
don't
know
if
everybody
who's
planning
on
reapplying
has
already
done
that,
but
yeah
deadlines
coming
up.
F
Yesterday,
chris
a
question
about
that,
I
was,
I
finally
got.
I
got
a
video
chat
with
my
congress
or
my
ward
person,
and
she
was
saying
that
she
did
not
expect
to
see
the
applications
for
for
her
award
until
after
the
15th.
Is
that
or
does
she
get
them
as
people
apply.
C
Yeah,
no,
I
I've
even
asked-
and
I
didn't
get
a
response
to
see.
If
I
I
could
get
the
applications
or
have
an
understanding-
and
I
don't
know
if
they're
just
really
busy
and
that's
why
they
didn't
get
back
to
me.
But
but
yeah
I
mean
I
mean.
Typically,
they
collect
all
of
them
and
then
afterwards
they
would
do
that.
C
So
it
will
be
a
quick
turnaround,
I'll
be
reaching
out
to
council
members
for
confirmation
on
on
who
they're
picking
quickly
so
that
we
can
get
in
the
cycle
for
council
to
have
their
new
members
approved
so
that
we
can
actually
have
members
start
in
ju.
Bac
is
june
right.
C
C
A
Okay
with
that,
it's
602,
and
if
there's
no
nothing
else,
I
think
we're
ready
to
adjourn.