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From YouTube: October 17, 2022 Policy & Government Oversight Committee
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A
A
Let
the
record
reflect
that
we
have
a
quorum.
There
are
17
items
on
the
consent
agenda.
Today,
I'll
Now
read
the
items
for
the
record.
One
is
passage
of
a
resolution
for
the
gift
acceptance
for
donations
to
support
the
South
Minneapolis
senior
Fair
event.
A
Two
is
a
passage
of
an
ordinance
for
an
appointed
position
in
the
health
department,
Deputy
Commissioner
of
Health
sustainability,
environment
and
healthy
homes.
A
A
A
I
wonder
if
we
have
a
numerical
issue
here,
there's
an
item
with
no
number
but
I'm
thinking
is
item.
Number
13
is
the
actual
item
number
13,
which
is
authorizing
the
contract
Amendment
with
remix
software
Inc
for
providing
a
street
design
and
transportation
planning
solution,
14
authorizing
a
contract
Amendment
with
Unger
boek
system,
International
Inc
for
event
activity
software
services
at
the
Minneapolis
Convention
Center.
A
15
would
be
approving
a
legal
settlement.
Laura
deschane
versus
City
Minneapolis
16
would
be
authorized.
Approving
a
legal
settlement,
dika
Hussein
versus
City
Minneapolis
at
all
and
17
would
be
approving
a
legal
settlement.
Brenda
Smith
versus
the
City
of
Minneapolis.
Are
there
any
questions
from
my
colleagues.
D
Councilman
Bert
Chavez,
chair,
Ellison
I
would
just
like
to
pull
number
eight
for
a
separate
vote
and
discussion.
Okay,.
A
Any
other
comments
from
my
colleagues
all
right,
so
I
will
move
approval
of
items
one
through
seven
and
then
9
through
17.,
all
those
in
favor
say
aye
aye,
all
those
opposed,
say,
nay
and
those
items
carry
councilmember
Chavez.
Would
you
like
to
speak
to
item
number
eight.
D
Yes,
thank
you,
chair,
Olson
number.
Eight
is
a
contract
with
clear.
That
is
a
little
concerning
to
me,
especially
to
my
undocumented
immigrants,
of
which
I
represent
in
Ward
9,
and
you
know
here
in
Minneapolis,
ice
has
relied
on
clearest,
powerful
platform
to
detain
and
Deport
undocumented
immigrants
across
the
United
States.
E
You
chair
Ellison,
in
addition
to
some
of
the
pretty
major
concerns
that
councilmember
Chavez
raised
about
this
service
that
MPD
is
requesting
in
regards
to
our
undocumented
residents.
E
I
also
want
to
note
that
the
service
allows
MPD
to
also
use
information
from
utility
bills
in
a
way
that
raises
serious
concerns
about
data
privacy.
In
fact,
this
database
even
triggered
interest
from
Congress.
The
subcommittee
on
economic
and
consumer
policy
highlighted
their
concerns
about
the
commercialization
of
personal
and
use
data
of
utility
customers
as
an
abuse
of
privacy,
and
also
even
just
want
to
know
for
this
body.
Just
in
August.
You
know
we
had
dozens
of
residents
during
a
public
health
and
safety
committee.
E
Public
hearing
on
you
know
the
Drone
programs.
You
know
we
had
dozens
of
those
residents
voice,
concerns
about
the
city,
surveillance
and
and
data
practices
that
are
being
being
used
primarily
through
MPD.
So
much
concern
that
this
prompted
a
city-wide
discussion
about
information,
governance,
surveillance
and
data
safety
for
residents.
E
I'm
glad
that
this
body,
in
being
responsive
to
those
concerns
by
our
residents,
passed
the
staff
direction
that
won't
come
back
until
November
around
how
we're
moving
forward
with
our
data
practices
and
as
it
relates
to
protecting
our
citizens,
data
and
I
would
say
you
know.
Until
that
staff
direction
is
completed
and
brought
to
council.
We
should
not
be
advancing
or
purchasing
tools,
as
it
relates
to
data,
especially
one
that
has
already
received
National
scrutiny
for
being
legally
questionable.
So
I
also
don't
support
this
item
being
moved
forward
at
this
time.
F
Thank
you,
Mr
chair
is
someone
from
MPD
here
and
able
to
speak
to
this
item
I'm
just
looking
at
the
RCA
for
it
to
try
to
get
more
of
an
understanding
based
off
of
the
concerns
raised.
It
looks
like
it
at
least
from
the
RCA.
It
suggests
that
this
is
used,
for
instance,
related
to
investigations
of
violent
crimes
in
finding
Associates
and
relationships
of
persons
that
are
suspected
in
violent
crimes.
So
yeah
I'm
just
curious.
F
If
anyone
from
MPD
can
speak
more
about
this,
because
that
seems
like
an
important
function
given
the
context
so
yeah.
A
F
G
Good
afternoon,
chair
Olson,
remember
me:
we
do
use
this
primarily
as
a
investigative
tool
more
to
councilman,
rashadvisor's
Point
MPD
is
prohibited
from
taking
action
against
immigration
matters,
and
so
that's
in
our
policy,
so
understanding
that
there
are
federal
agencies
that
may
use
this
database.
G
In
that
way,
MPD
is
prohibited
from
doing
that,
and
one
of
the
things
that
I
would
want
to
point
out
is
that
we,
while
we
do
use
this
primarily
in
criminal
investigations,
it's
as
much
to
help
victims
as
it
is
to
identify
or
locate
suspects.
So
we
have
been
able
to
use
it
to
try
and
identify
who
additional
victims
may
be
how
to
get
in
contact
with
them.
So
it's
it's
very
much
about
helping
victims,
not
just
going
after
suspects.
G
These
are
extremely
powerful
databases
that
are
that
we
like
to
use
for
good.
A
couple
of
notable
examples
are
the
DC
sniper
shooting
from
several
years
ago,
using
a
clear
type,
Database
The,
Suspect
information,
all
of
the
known
suspects
attributes
were
put
into
the
system.
The
system
kicked
out
six
possible
suspects,
one
of
which
ended
up
being
the
the
lead
suspect.
G
In
that
case,
another
similar
type
of
database
was
developed
by
John
Walsh
of
America's
most
wanted
to
try
and
help
locate,
predatory
offenders
that
kidnap
children
and
so
there's
Nationwide
interest
in
developing
these
making
them
as
robust
and
Powerful
as
possible
for
the
purpose
of
protecting
innocent
people
and
locating
suspects.
Mpd
again
has
strict
policies
in
place
as
far
as
in
using
it.
When
you
log
into
clear,
you
are
asked
to
enter
a
case
number,
so
it
should
be
whatever
queries.
G
F
A
We
did
have
Vice
chair,
wansley,
put
herself
back
in
queue,
but
I
also
see
councilman,
murkowsky
and
councilman.
Provita
are
also
in
queue.
E
Again,
I
just
wanted
to
write
you.
You
mentioned
the
Nationwide
interests
again
as
I
elevated,
there's,
also
National
scrutiny
amongst
Congressional
members
that
are
looking
into
this
program
and
how
it's
also
supporting
or
creating
an
opening
for
abuse
of
personal
data.
So
I
do
want
to
note
that
too,
that
this
is
something
that
Congressional
elected
leaders
are
looking
at
and
that
has
raised
substantial
concerns
about
how
governments
are
utilizing
or
accessing
personal
data.
E
Is
that
was
that
factored
or
were
you
all
briefed
as
MPD
in
in
purchasing
the
service
and
knowing
that
that
conversation
is
happening
right
now
at
a
national
level
about
how
this
might
not
be
supporting
privacy
data
standards?
And
how
that
can?
You
know
really
further
impact
the
the
trust
levels
of
our
residents
right
now,.
G
Sure
so,
to
answer
your
specific
question:
no,
we
haven't
been
briefed
per
se,
but
we
do
have
safeguards
in
place
or
Consequences
for
people
that
don't
comply
with
the
data
Privacy
Act,
and
so
all
of
our
databases
that
we
have
access
to
whether
it's
sieges
data,
whether
it's
public
record
data,
we
still
have
to
comply
with
with.
Why
we're
looking
for
that
data.
So
there
has
to
be
a
specific
law
enforcement
purpose.
It
can't
be
for
personal
interest
or
some
other
nefarious
reason.
E
And
just
a
quick
follow-up:
can
you
share
kind
of
what
are
some
of
those
compliance
or
guardrails
that
you
put
in
place?
I
do
want
to
name.
You
know
some
of
the
concerns
that
was
raised
in
that
mdhr
report
around
again
the
abuse
of
Facebook
as
a
social
media
practice.
There
were
apparently
guard
rails
in
place
at
that
time,
and
people
were
still
officers
were
still
using
that
for
nefarious
reasons,
so
I'm
interested
of,
whereas
the
guardrails
that
you've
developed
around
this
particular
soft
oral
program
or
service
sure.
G
As
with
most
of
our
programs,
we
do
have
an
audit
function,
so
driver
vehicle
services,
for
example,
we
audit
and
so
I've
been
audited,
and
the
auditor
will
say
why
did
you
look
up
this
person's
driver's
license?
Give
us
the
case
number
that
this
is
tied
to,
and
so
in
addition
to
the
audit,
obviously
policies
and
procedures,
and
if
you
fail
to
properly
follow
the
policies
and
procedures,
then
you'll
be
investigated
and
potentially
face
discipline.
H
H
G
Councilmember
Burleson
cherylson
Council
morikowski.
Thank
you
for
the
question.
We
have
used,
others
and
all
of
them
really
present
the
same
challenge.
This
one
is
I
believe
is
my
understanding,
the
largest,
so
there's
more
people
that
are
using
it
there's
likely
to
be
more
data
that
it
collects
and
then
more
potential
for
abuse.
So
the
more
people
you
have
in
a
system,
the
more
likely
someone
could
abuse
it.
If
that's
what
they're
intending
to
do,
but
as
far
as
have
we
used
others.
Yes,
we
have.
G
This
is
the
the
best
product
for
the
cost.
A
Thank
you,
councilmemberkowski
I
believe
councilmember
Vitas
removed
herself
from
Q
just
wanted
to
make
sure
people
didn't
at
home
didn't
think.
I
was
passing
you
over
and
all
right,
councilmember
Chavez,
yes,.
D
Thank
you,
chair,
Ellison
I,
just
want
to
say
that
even
if
MPD
themselves
and
I
know
you
don't
work
with
or
act
in
relation
to
the
deportation
of
undocumented
immigrants,
if
we
do
go
forward
with
the
contract,
the
government
can
still
purchase
this
information,
whether
we
want
it
or
not.
So,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
this
information
can
be
purchased.
That's
how
clear
works
and
other
government
agencies
like
the
City
of
Minneapolis,
can
purchase
this,
which
can
lead
to
the
deportation
of
people
so
that
that's
my
concern.
F
Councilmember
Johnson,
thank
you.
Mr,
chair,
I.
I.
Definitely
understand
that
point.
I
I.
Don't
think,
though,
that
if
we
don't
move
forward
with
this
contract
that
that
would
necessarily
change
that
situation,
because
this
still
sounds
like
a
very
popular
database
among
agencies
and
is
something
that
has
lots
of
data
in
It,
is
Well
supported
and
so
removing
ourselves
from
using
this
tool
doesn't
in
any
way
stop
or
prohibit
other
agencies
from
using
this
tool
as
well.
I.
F
Think
the
question
is:
how
are
we
using
the
tool
and
if
this
tool
has
investigative
value
in
solving
violent
crimes
and
helping
victims
of
crime
as
well,
and
if
we
do
have
safeguards
in
place?
For
instance,
you
can't
look
up
information
without
tying
it
to
a
specific
case
and
we're
having
careful
record
keeping
of
all
instances
in
the
database,
which
is
not
frankly
surprising
for
it
systems
these
days,
then
I
think
that's
primarily
the
question
here
for
us.
A
And
then
Vice
chair,
wansley.
E
Yes,
thank
you,
chair,
Ellison,
I.
Think
one
of
the
things
that
I
raised
was
we
already
have
taken
up
a
staff
Direction
in
regards
to
our
data
pract
practices,
so
we're
doing
an
analysis
of
that
right
now
because
of
the
scrutiny
and
also
just
lack
of
distrust
of
again
those
guardrails
that
we
sell
are
in
place
they're
not
being
carried
out.
We
have
the
opportunity
to
hear
from
staff
of
how
we
can
revisit
our
surveillance
and
information
governance
practices
that
staff
direction
is
coming
back
in
November.
E
I,
don't
see,
you
know
us
catching
hundreds
of
criminals
in
the
next
several
weeks
until
that
staff
Direction
comes
back
to
give
us
that
I
think
more
substantial
information
to
make
a
better
decision
about
how
to
move
forward
with
something
like
this.
This
surveillance
or
database
tool
like
this.
A
Thank
you,
I
I
I
also
had
some
folks
reach
out
to
me.
Constituents
reach
out
to
me
with
some
concern
on
this
item.
It
hadn't
really
raised
to
the
level
of
concern
for
me
when
we
went
over
to
the
agenda
setting
and
I
think
maybe
I
didn't
have
a
good
understanding
of
what
research
Research
Services
entailed
in
this
particular
contract.
I've
got
a
few
questions.
One
is:
are
we
we're
currently
in
contract
with
West
publishing?
A
My
understanding
is
that
there's
or
is
that
true
at
the
moment,
and
do
we
know
when
that
when
that
contract
ends
at
the
moment
when
that,
when
the
current,
when
the
standing
contract
ends.
D
I
Original
contract
we
did
try
to,
we
looked
at
Lexus,
which
is
a
Bove
West
and
we
were
unable
to
I.
First
of
all,
let
me
back
up
a
little
bit.
This
is
a
contract,
that's
actually
managed
by
it
because
of
the
security
concerns.
A
I
A
I
A
A
Legal
research
was
I,
think
you
know
legal
definitions,
that
kind
of
thing
which
I
think
was
maybe
my
working
understanding
of
it
and
that
it's
more
a
tool
designed
to
help
us
sort
of
apprehend
individuals.
I
think
that
that's
a
that's
a
that's
a
different
understanding
than
what
I
understood
the
tool
to
be
and
and
again
to
councilmember
Johnson's
point
I,
don't
have
an
inherent
problem
with
that,
but
again
we've
seen
it
when
we,
when
we
see
a
database,
be
misused
and
and
even
further
when
we've
had.
A
You
know,
settlements
in
our
own
right
with
our
own.
You
know
institution
with
our
own
Enterprises
struggle
to
not
abuse.
Databases
like
this
and
I'll
try
to
be
as
vague
as
possible,
so
not
to
get
shut
up
by
the
attorneys
it
does
bring
in
some
concerns
and
I.
Think
that
I'm
interested
in
in
a
deeper
exploration
or
a
larger
presentation
on
on
exactly
what
the
guard
rails
are,
what
the
scope
of
service
here
would
be.
A
A
So
I'd
I
would
I'd
be
interested
in
that
and
if
it's
and
I
but
I
also
would
be
interested
in
the
opinion
of
the
of
the
attorney
to
to
understand
what
we
what
we
lose
or
what
we
risk.
If
we
delay
this
a
cycle
in
order
to
get
a
more
robust
presentation.
J
Mr,
chair
I,
would
need
to
review
this
specific
contract.
I
I
do
know
that
one.
This
is,
as
you
noted,
is
entirely
divorced
and
different
completely
different
than
the
legal
research
Suite
that
the
city
attorney's
office
has
a
really
large
dollar
contract
with
this
is
a
different
tool.
It
is
a
Thomson,
Reuters
West
product,
offering
it's
something
that
the
police
department
has
used
this
tool
or
a
similar
tool
offered
by
a
competitor
for
a
long
time.
J
It's
my
understanding
as
well
that
it's
not,
we
wouldn't
necessarily
be
importing
city
data
into
this
tool.
It
would
be
a
tool
that
we
access
data
so
again,
there's
some
of
the
data
concerns
are,
are
granted
not
alleviated
in
full,
but
there
are
alleviated
by
that
and,
as
Robin
noted,
the
competitors
product
here
was
the
at
least
the
terms
and
conditions
that
we
were
looking
at
were
insurmountable
from
a
legal
perspective.
So
this
is
in
terms
of
responsiveness
to
City
needs.
J
Here
is
a
the
the
best
value
best
offered
use
in
terms
of
a
delay.
I
I,
don't
know,
I'd
have
to
review
it's
based
more
on
need.
I
would
assume
if
it's
a
tool
that
the
Department
indicates
that
they
need
now
we're
not
under
a
current
contract
with
them.
Then
it's
it's
a
you
know,
it's
a
question
of
need
and
timing
related
to
need
fair
enough.
A
I
guess
my
question
would
be:
how
long
have
we?
How
long
has
the
contract
been
lapsed?
How
long
have
we
already
been
operating
without
without
this
tool.
I
Oh
Council,
chair
or
committee
chair,
we
actually
are
using
the
tool
right
now.
We
have
an
agreement
with
them
for,
like
a
month
by
month,
basis.
A
Okay,
service,
I
I'm,
not
seeing
any
more
further
questions.
That's
it
for
the
questions
that
I
have
I,
really
appreciate
everyone's
input
here,
I'm
I'm
interested
in
the
deeper
dive
on
on
this
tool
and
understanding
this
tool
better.
A
You
know:
I'm
I'm,
certainly
open
to
hearing
feedback
from
my
colleagues
but
I'm
inclined
to
delay
this
a
cycle
and
bring
this
back
to
the
next
Pogo
meeting.
I
can't
I
don't
have
that
data
off
the
top
of
my
head
for
the
purposes
of
having
a
more
robust
discussion
about
this
item
and
and
the
scope
of
service
and
and
what
it
does
until
again,
I
don't
want
us
going
without
critical
resources
that
can
help
us
Aid
in
you
know
resolving
harms
that
come
into
our
community.
A
At
the
same
time,
I
I
know
that
this
is
a
big,
powerful
tool.
It's
a
tool
that
has
resulted
at
least
nationally
in
the
deportation
of
you
know.
People
in
our
community
and
and
I
think
that
I'm
I
certainly
want
to
take
that
that
very
seriously
before
I
take
a
take
a
vote
on
this
and
so
I'm
gonna
put
that
motion
on
the
table
but
and
see
if
my
colleagues
have
have
any
discussion
does
that
does
that
need?
Does
that
require
a
second
from
the
clicks
yeah.
E
A
Great,
thank
you.
Councilmember
Johnson.
F
Thank
you,
Mr
chair,
I'm
I
am
okay
with
delaying
a
cycle
for
a
presentation.
If
it
sounds
like
we
have
access
today,
and
so
there's
not
really
going
to
be
a
consequence
that
that
delay
is
that
correct.
I
would
ask.
I
I'm
not
sure
I
can
really
answer
that
question
I
mean
we've.
West
has
been
very,
very
good
about
working
with
us,
and
so
I
would
assume
that
that
would
continue.
I
mean
it's
in
their
best
interests,
obviously,
for
that
to
continue,
but
I
do
know
that
it
we've
been
working
a
long
time
because
we
got
off
track
with
looking
at
the
competitor.
So
time
is
very
important
to
us.
Okay,.
K
Do
we
think
that
a
presentation
is
gonna,
maybe
answer
more
questions
than
what
we've
had
today,
or
is
this
something
that
can
be
done
over
the
next
week
by
individual
council
members
and
move
this
forward
without
recommendation
and
hope
that
the
concerns
are
met
by
the
time
the
council
meeting
the
next?
No,
this
Thursday
yeah.
A
A
The
thing
I
would
say
is
that
we're
also
dealing
with
something
that
has
I
think
a
great
concern
to
to
the
public
at
large
and
I
think
that
whatever
answers
we
have
whatever
reassur
assurances
that
staff
can
offer
I
would
certainly
want
the
public
to
hear
that
in
the
in
you
know,
in
the
in
the
context
of
our
public
broadcast.
A
You
know
that's
my
personal
preference
and
so,
but
if
it
were
I
think
an
issue
that
had
to
do
with
less
than
public
data
and
and
and
and
and
and
data
privacy,
I'd,
certainly
just
take
it
up
offline,
but
I
I
feel
I
feel
particularly
an
urge
to
be
very
transparent
about
the
questions
and
and
and
the
answers
that
that
might
be
provided.
K
I
totally
agree
with
that,
but
I
also
want
I
mean
the
questions
that
or
the
concerns
that
were
raised
today
is
about
mpd's
role
in
deporting
undocumented
folks,
and
that
was
addressed
here
today.
It's
illegal
for
them
to
do
that.
The
other
question
that
was
raised
here
today
is
about
accountability
and
how
you
access
this
data
and
their
mechanisms
put
in
place
where,
if
they
do
access
this
data,
you
know
there's
a
system
in
place
where
we
know
which
officers
did
it
there
I
mean
there's
been
lots
of
these
things.
K
That's
happened
over
the
years
where
officers
have
you
know,
looked
at
information
that
they
weren't
supposed
to
and
have
gotten
in
trouble,
and
we've
been
told
that
that
is
what
would
happen
in
this
case,
so
I'm
I'm,
fine
with
the
Public
Presentation
tenderness.
Anything
outside
of
what
addressed
what
was
addressed
today
will
be
addressed
in
this
two-week
delay.
Yeah.
A
I
I
do
think
that
you
know,
given
that
we've
had
at
least
since
my
time
in
office,
we
have
had
breaches
in
in
or
at
least
we've
taken
up
cases,
even
if
they
were
before
my
time
regarding
officers,
misuse
of
data
and
so
I
think
at
this
moment,
I
don't
know
that
I
feel
confident
enough.
That
I
understand
what
our
checks
and
balances
are
and
I
would
love
a
deeper
dive
into
what
those
checks
and
balances
are.
A
I
also
know
that
we've
got
a
question
from
councilmember
Chavez.
Thank.
F
You
I
I,
yeah
I
just
would
call
to
questions
so
quickly
on
as
a
body
so
I
just
you
know,
committees
were
supposed
to
be
here,
working
it
out,
but
I
think
I
I
saw
you,
you
come
up,
and
so
was
there
some
information
on
that
you
had
to
share
because
I
think
I'm
still
hung
up
on
this.
This
piece
of
will
we
lose
access
or
not?
It
sounds
like
probably
not
but
I,
don't
know.
If
you
have
more
of
an
answer
around
that
that
you're
going
to
share.
I
Thank
you,
yeah.
Thank
you
for
the
question.
Since
I
was
not
involved
directly
in
the
negotiation
that
was
done
through
it,
we
have
no
problem
under
the
circumstances,
putting
together
a
presentation
for
the
next
Council
or
for
the
next
committee
meeting.
At
that
time,
I
would
like
to
make
sure
that
we
have
the
issues
at
hand
so
that
we
can
cover
those
so
that
we
can
make
sure
that
we
can
then
proceed
forward.
So
I
can
have
somebody
from
it
who
is
involved
in
the
process
itself
come
forward.
F
Other
suggestion
was
going
to
be
that
you're,
okay,
all
right,
my
other
suggestion
would
be
that
we
could
always
forward
it
without
recommendation.
Get
information
back
on
that
question
specific,
but
I
think
we
got
enough
of
an
answer
on
on.
It
makes
sense
for
delay.
A
So,
thank
you
and
I
know
when
staff
brings
something
forward,
they
they
want
to
move
it
forward,
and
so
it's
a
tough
spot
to
put
you
in
to
ask
if
the
delay
is
appropriate
or
not,
but
I'm
glad
that
we
at
least
have
some
semblance
of
of
the
decision
that
we're
we're
making,
or
at
least
the
the
motion
that
I've
proposed.
Seeing
no
further
discussion
on
item
number
eight
and
on
my
motion
to
delay
one
cycle
to
date,
certain
clerks,
do
we
have
that
chair
Ellison?
A
That
would
be
October,
31st,
October
31st
on
that
motion,
all
those
in
favor
say:
aye,
aye,
aye,
all
those
opposed,
say,
nay,
and
that
motion
passes.
Thank
you
all
for
the
discussion
and
I
look
forward
to
the
presentation
next
cycle.
A
We
do
have
one
discussion
item
today.
This
item
is
authorizing
a
contract
with
Hennepin
County,
Human
Services
and
the
public
health
department
for
the
police,
mental
health
embedded
social
worker
program
for
community
members.
I'll
now
invite
Leah
Kaiser
director
of
Behavioral
Health
and
Justice
strategy
at
Hennepin
County
to
speak
on
this
item.
A
L
You
so
much
thank
you,
chair
Ellison,
chair
members,
I'm
gonna.
This
might
be
slide
deck
and
talk
at
the
same
time
here,
but
I'll
do
my
best.
So
I'm
Leah
Kaiser,
as
you
said,
I'm
the
director
of
Behavioral
Health
and
Justice
strategies
for
Hennepin
County
Behavioral
Health,
includes
both
mental
health
and
substance
use
disorders
from
children,
families
and
adults.
L
The
first
thing
that
I
think
is
really
helpful
to
understand
is
the
con
under
the
context
is
how
we
got
here
started
back
in
about
2014,
where
Hennepin
County
adopted
something
called
the
sequential
intercept
model
as
a
framework
framework
for
systemic
change
for
people
that
have
mental
illness
that
come
into
contact
with
law
enforcement
and
then
subsequently
move
through
the
criminal
justice
process.
The
framework
comes
from
the
federal
samsa
Administration,
so
it's
the
Substance
Abuse
and
Mental
Health
Service
administration
at
the
federal
level.
L
Right
when
we
adopted
it
here
in
Hennepin
County,
we
brought
together
a
multi-disciplinary
stakeholder
group,
and
this
was
some
years
ago
and
what
we
ended
up
determining
was
that
we
really
wanted
to
focus
on
the
front
end
right.
We
all
of
us
were
committed
around
the
energy
of
prevention,
early
intervention
and
diversion
by
and
large.
We
still
have
services
and
supports
and
interventions
for
folks
that
are
in
jails
and
under
probation
supervision.
L
But,
but
by
far
our
energy
and
most
of
our
work
has
been
at
the
at
the
front
end
of
the
system,
knowing
that,
if
we
can
do
a
better
job
at
keeping
people
out
of
the
Criminal
Justice
System,
it
provides
for
a
healthier,
safer
and
more
more
well-being
for
our
for
our
communities
at
large.
So
what
you
see
on
the
slide
here
is
what
the
the
federal
agency
samhsa
is
recommending
around
at
the
very
front.
L
End
of
the
system
where,
where
there
is
a
9-1-1
call
made
and
the
subject
of
that
call,
is
experiencing
some
sort
of
mental
health
condition
or
could
be
broader
than
on
that
and
and
We
Know
by
looking
at
a
heck
of
a
lot
of
data
that
the
calls
themselves
are
very
mixed
and
the
and
the
needs
of
our
communities
are
very
diverse,
they're
as
diverse
as
the
people
that
we
serve,
and
so
what
samsa
is
recommending
is
that
this
can't
be
just
a
single
solution
that
what
we
call
is
this
layered
approach,
where
it
isn't
an
either
or
it's
a
both,
and
if
we,
if
this
were
simple,
and
we
could
just
have
one
thing
to
solve
it,
we
would
have
done
this
a
very
long
time
ago,
but
we
haven't,
and
so
what
we
want
to
be
able
to
do,
and
what
this
slide
is
attempting
to
show.
L
Is
this
layered
approach
where
a
call
comes
in
and
what
this
again?
This
is
all
about
system
improvements
when
a
call
comes
in
what
do
our
dispatch
here?
How
do
we
use
technology
to
support
that
call?
What
are
the
questions
that
are
being
asked
in
in
that
in
that
critical
triage
moment,
and
then
what
gets
deployed
right?
So
you
can
see
on
the
screen
the
next
layer
of
this
is
well,
then,
who
goes
in
response
to
that?
To
that
residence
call?
This
is
all
coming
from
the
perspective
of
the
resident.
L
We
are
very,
very
grounded
in
the
Resident
experience
and
and
what
this
means
to
our
communities.
So
under
mobile
response,
we
know
again
that
the
needs
of
our
communities
are
very
diverse,
and
so,
who
shows
up
also
has
to
be
diverse.
We
have
tried
here
in
Hennepin
and
Minneapolis
included
in
that
have
tried
a
number
of
different
mobile
response
teams.
I
know
you
are
all
familiar
with
co-response,
that's
when
a
police
officer
and
a
mental
health
professional
go
out
and
respond.
L
Your
mobile
response
team
that
you
have
in
place
currently
is
BCR,
and
that
is
when
the
9-1-1
call
is
directed
to
a
mobile
team
that
goes
out
and
handles
low-level
calls
as
well.
The
county
also
operates
something
called
cope,
which
is
specifically
for
psychiatric
emergencies.
Some
cities
are
testing
mobile
response
for
opioid
crisis.
Another
city
is
about
to
test
a
mobile
response
where
we're
pairing
a
mental
health
professional
in
a
community
paramedic.
L
These
are
all
great
tools,
great
teams
that
we're
pulling
in
information
from
to
make
our
system
heartier,
richer
and
and
deeper
for
the
for
the
needs
of
our
communities.
So
this
is
not
just
a
single.
You
know
answer
it's.
It's
really
understanding
the
calls
and
the
community,
and
how
do
we
make
that
match
right?
The
third
step
and
I
won't
climb
into
this.
Maybe
you'll
have
me
back
for
another
day
to
talk
more
about
this,
but
the
a
federal
government
is
recommending
something
called
a
walk-in
drop-off
facility
and
working
in
partnership
with
the
community.
L
In
Minneapolis
we
designed
a
behavioral
health
center
at
1800
Chicago,
where
we
have
a
capacity
for
residents
to
walk
in
it's
kind
of
operating
like
a
stabilization
Center
or
like
an
Urgent
Care
environment,
where
we
have
a
multi-disciplinary
teams
that
work
very
holistically
to
address
individuals
needs
where
we
have
residential
services
on
site.
So
if
somebody
needs
to
detox,
we
call
it
withdrawal
management.
There
are
medical
professionals,
peer
support,
Etc,
on
site,
there's
a
residential
floor.
L
There's
also
a
mental
health
crisis,
stabilization
program
on
site
and
then
there's
this
first
first
floor,
where
there's
a
whole
bunch
of
different
service
providers
working
collectively,
including
with
Hennepin
Healthcare
on
site,
providing
medical
supports.
This
is
available
for
both
individuals
to
walk
in
your
BCR
teams,
bring
people
to
BCR,
or
they
refer
I
should
say
people
to
1800,
Chicago
Police
can
drop
people
off
at
1800.
Chicago
professionals
can
can
bring
them
there
et
cetera.
L
So
that's
sort
of
this
third
level,
and-
and
it's
really
intended
to
be
for
for
individuals
where
they
can't
stay
where
they
are
hospital-
is
not
the
right
level
of
care
for
them.
They
don't
need
that
level
of
care,
and
we
certainly
know
that
jail
is
not
the
right
place
for
for
them.
So
this
is
a
an
alternative
to
both
the
hospitals
and
the
jails
and
the
streets.
L
Frankly,
and
then
lastly-
and
this
is
you're-
probably
wondering
when
I'm
going
to
get
to
the
embedded
social
workers-
that's
that
last
one-
that's
the
stabilization
and
follow-up
services.
So,
where
we
see
all
this
kind
of
collectively
coming
together,
is
to
to
move
the
Needle
and
to
work
in
community
with
our
partners
to
bring
about
this
larger
system
change,
so
the
embedded
social
worker
program-
that's
just
the
name
that
we
call
these
social
workers,
but
they're
really
focused
on
stabilization
and
and
follow-up.
L
So
now
I'm
going
to
go
to
the
next
slide
and
we'll
start
talking
specifically
about
what
that
means.
I
will
say
what
you
will
see
in
this
in
the
follow-up
slides.
Is
that
a
lot
of
the
goals
and
a
lot
of
the
desired
outcomes
are
consistent
regardless,
if
we're
talking
about
9-1-1,
the
mobile
response,
1800
or
our
crisis,
our
walk-in
drop-off
facility
and
our
stabilization
program,
we
are
all
working
towards
the
same
goals:
okay,
now
I'm
going
to
try
Okay.
L
We
were
just
getting
started
and
we
weren't
exactly
sure
what
the
need
or
the
demand
was
going
to
look
like
or
if
we
were
going
to
be
able
to
to
achieve
the
outcomes
that
we
wanted,
and
so
some
of
the
Cities
just
started
with
one
social
worker
and
they
moved
that
social
worker
to
to
share
between
two
cities.
Subsequently,
and
as
you
can
see,
cities
are
starting
to
recognize
that
the
value
of
this
and
bringing
in
more
resources.
L
So
what
began
in
2019
has
has
really
expanded
over
the
last
number
of
years
and
so
today,
so
you
can
just
see
I,
don't
have
to
go
through
these.
So
now.
This
is
this
is
where
we
are
so
in
2023
we
have
commitments
for
every
city,
there's
33
social
workers
here,
their
Mental
Health
social
workers
that
are
embedded
in
the
police
departments
and
I'll
talk
about
how
they
work
with
police.
L
Here
in
in
a
minute
and
again,
they're
part
of
this
larger
structure
to
try
to
complement
getting
people
connected
to
the
services
except
for
Minneapolis.
And
so
this
is
what
we're
working
on
right
now
and
we
recognize
that
there
is
a
lot
of
need
of
within
the
communities
here
in
Minneapolis
and
and
we
would
happily
join
into
a
contract
to
support
our
residents
differently,
as
we
have
seen
with
with
some
of
our
other
counties.
So
these
are
the
desired
outcomes.
L
They
shouldn't
be
too
unfamiliar
to
you
a
lot
of
what
we
have
seen
when
we
have
focused
on
the
mobile
response
teams,
which
are
great
and
we
need
them.
Please
don't
hear
that
I'm
suggesting
that
this
isn't
either
or
it
is
a
both
and
what
we
see
is
that
you'll
hear
it
from
officers.
You'll
probably
hear
it
from
BCR.
We
certainly
hear
it
from
from
our
mobile
crisis
team
is
that
in
the
in
the
moment
they
they're.
L
L
They
are
sort
of
destined
to
make
that
call
again,
because
they're
called
they're
calling
the
number
that
they
think
is
going
to
help
them
and
and
really
what
we
want
to
be
able
to
do
is
once
we've
made
contact
and
we
can
start
working
with
them
around
a
longer
term
plan
and
get
them
stable.
They
start
calling
us
and
that's
what
has
been
happening.
L
I
have
all
of
our
cities
collected
differently
and
and
I'm
happy
to
talk
about
data
and
data
privacy
of
if
you
have
questions
around
that,
but
one
of
the
things
that
we
have
learned
is
that
we
are
testing.
We
are
measuring
some
individuals
that
are
that
are
high
frequency,
high
volume
911
calls,
and
at
least
in
Brooklyn
Park
or
at
Brooklyn
Center
excuse
me.
L
They
have
the
capacity
to
pull
their
highest
call
volume
by
top
25
and
when,
when
we
engaged
with
the
embedded,
when
the
residents
engaged
with
the
embedded
social
worker,
we
saw
that
those
repeat
calls
dropped
by
85
percent.
So
the
individual
is
no
longer
calling
9-1-1.
They
were
connecting
up
either
with
us,
while
we
were
still
working
with
them
on
getting
them
stable
or
we
were
getting
them
connected
to
longer
term
services
and
supports,
and
we've
tested
that
twice
we
tested
it
in
2020
and
then
that
ear
is
a
strange
year.
L
Okay,
I'm,
going
to
go
on
one
of
the
things
that
that
is
important
to
understand
and
why
we
would
enter
into
a
contract
is
that
we
have
this,
what
we
call
a
shared
financing
model
and
that
it's
a
city,
county
partnership
where
every
city
has
brought
resources
to
the
table
and
the
county
has
brought
resources
to
the
table
and
that
relationship
we
think,
is
really
important,
because
we
want
to
send
the
message
and
we
want
to
be
able
to
structure
our
resources
in
a
way
that
that
shows
that
these
are
all
of
our
residents.
L
They're,
not
just
a
Minneapolis
resident
they're,
not
just
a
Brooklyn
Center
resident
or
a
Brooklyn
Park
resident.
These
are
Hennepin
County
residents,
and
so
we
want
to
partner
with
our
cities
around
how
best
to
go
about
bringing
them
support.
It
also
makes
it
a
very
stronger
model
in
terms
of
what
we
can
do.
We
can
stretch
our
resources
differently
when
we,
when
we
share
our
finances
and
there's
lots
of
reasons
behind
that
and
I'm
happy
to
answer
questions.
L
If
you
have
any
you
can
see
on
the
slide,
you
know
what
what
the
advantages
to
the
community
members
are.
One
of
the
things
that
is
important
and
and
I
would
imagine
that
there
will
be
some
questions
around
data
review
and
data
care
coordination.
These
are
Hennepin
County,
social
workers.
We
are
bound
by
data
privacy.
L
You
know
in
sort
of
privacy
act
as
well
as
HIPAA.
We
do
have
some
pretty
strong
compliance
and
regulations
that
we
abide
by
all
of
our
staff.
You
know
attend
multiple
trainings
regularly
around
this
all
of
our
contracts
and
our
practices
are
vetted
through
our
data
privacy
officers
and
given
the
the
sign.
If
there
are
data
breaches,
which
you
know,
I
manage
a
number
of
programs.
L
When
there
are
data
breaches,
there
is
clearly
a
trail
around
what
happened
when
what's
the
right,
what's
the
right
level
of
review
and
then
response
to
our
community
members,
if,
if
there
were
data
breaches
to
be
had,
I
will
tell
you
that
the
way
that
it
it
works
with
a
police
officer,
I
think
this
is
on
the
next
slide.
Actually,
oh,
it's
not
there.
L
Yet
I'll
probably
come
back
to
it,
but
we
consider
these
referrals
to
our
agency
and-
and
so
it
isn't
as
if
we
then
open
up
our
our
data
portals
to
police
officers.
We
take
referrals
from
all
different
types
of
folks
in
our
community
hospitals,
probation
officers,
police,
Community
agencies,
Etc,
and
there
are
really
strict
agreements
and
consent
that
that
we
have
to
get
in
order
to
to
share
our
information.
L
It
is
very
consistent
with
what
you
have
seen
in
some
of
the
other
presentations
around
BCR
and
who
we're
targeting
with
9-1-1
directly
handing
off
to
to
BCR
we're
really
talking
a
lot
about
individuals
where
their
mental
health
and
addiction
needs
are
driving
the
the
behaviors
that
are,
then,
you
know
precipitating
the
9-1-1
call
okay,
so
here's
how
it
works,
so
the
911
called
now
this
is
in
the
suburbs
and
I
don't
know
if
it
would
would
work
the
same
way
here
in
Minneapolis,
but
the
911
call
out
in
other
cities
goes
directly
to
the
local
law
enforcement
law.
L
Enforcement
essentially
is
making
the
referral
then
based
on
a
certain
set
of
criteria
very
similar
to
the
calls
that
are
going
to
be
CR.
They
are
handing
off
these
calls
to
our
social
workers.
We
are
not
driving
around
in
police
vehicles.
We
typically
will
then
take
a
referral
from
a
police
officer
reach
out
to
an
individual,
either
by
phone
face
to
face,
depending
on
the
the
needs
of
that
that
person.
L
Here,
are
just
some
of
the
the
community
impacts
the
outcomes.
So,
since
we've
started
expanding
we've
seen
these
numbers
grow
very
quickly
in
terms
of
handing
off.
You
know
these
calls
from
police
to
social
workers
and
again
our
goal
is
really
to
provide
that
stabilization
and
and
follow-up.
So
we're
past
6
000
calls
currently
and
I
expect
that
to
to
grow,
and
then
from
there
it's
really,
you
know
engaging
the
individual
around.
What
are
their
needs?
Some
people,
it's
a
quick
touch.
L
L
We
also
have
some
tailored
staff
where
you
know
we
have
some
that
work
specifically
with
Youth
and
some
that
work
with
people
in
congregate
care
settings
and
we
can
provide
different
types
of
tailored
supports,
depending
on
the
needs
of
the
individuals
that
are
on
the
the
receiving
end
of
the
call,
and
this
I
think
this
slide
sort
of
describes
the
range
of
what
the
social
workers
are
doing.
L
It
is
really
important
to
us
that
we
are.
We
are
working
to
keep
people
out
of
the
Criminal
Justice
System
get
them
the
help
that
they
need,
and
in
doing
so,
we
believe
that
we
will
overall
reduce
disparity
within
this.
This
particular
Target
group
The
needs
are
really
great.
You
can
see
on
the
slide.
You
know
it
goes
well
beyond
Mental,
Health,
Services,
there's
a
there's
a
lot
of
need
around
case
management,
employment,
housing,
that's
a
big
one.
L
It
always
is
legal
support,
helping
people
get
on
economic
support
So
for
us,
that's
like
getting
them
on
Medicaid
snap
things
like
that,
and
then
assistance
with
with
Transportation
I
think
that's
my
last
slide.
I
I
would
ask
it's
almost
like
I
wanted
to
put
that
that
one
slide
from
samsa
at
the
end
as
well,
to
to
Really
demonstrate
that
that
embedded
social
workers
is
not
just
operating
as
a
single
in
siled
program.
It
really
is
operating
in
in
tandem.
L
A
Director
Kaiser,
thank
you
so
much
for
the
presentation.
We've
got
a
few
questions.
I'll
do
my
best
to
maintain
the
order
I
think
I
just
saw,
which
was
council,
member,
Vita,
councilman,
murkowski
and
then
Vice,
chair,
wansley,
so
customer
review.
Thank.
K
You
chair
Allison,
thank
you
so
much
for
the
presentation,
just
one
quick
question:
what
is
the
cost
associated
with
this?
You
said
that
it's
a
shared
cost,
but
do
you
know
like
how
much
each
agency
pays
for
one
social
worker
I.
L
Do
each
is
slightly
different,
but
basically
it's
a
60
40
split
and
there's
reason
for
that
and
I.
Don't
know
if
folks
on
the
Contracting
and
are
able
to
answer
the
specifics,
but
what
we're
proposing
under
this
contract
would
be
a
social
worker
in
each
Police,
Department
working
in
Tandem
and
I.
Think
it's
roughly.
Do
you
want
to
answer
this
question
I
think
it's
60
000
per
FTE
for
one
staff
and
then
the
county
is
paying
the
4.
L
L
Did
that
answer
your
question?
Not
really,
sometimes
it
like
the
actual
cost
like
60,
000.2
or
something
depends
on
the
actual
staff
that
comes
in,
but
I
think
the
first,
the
the
first
basic
rate
is
60
40..
So
if
we,
if
we
say
that
it's
like
a
hundred
thousand
dollar
for
a
social
worker,
sixty
thousand
dollars
comes
from
the
city.
Forty
thousand
comes
from
the
county
and
then
we
also
provide
all
the
infrastructure.
So
the
supervision-
and
you
know,
training
and
oversight
and
computers
and
all
that
kind
of.
I
Thank
you
Charles
and
council
member
of
Utah.
So
it
is
it's
about
between
60
and
65
percent
and
we
do
it's
for
the
five
precincts.
It's
a
one
person
or
one
embedded
social
worker.
We
do
pay
some
percentage
of
the
supervision
as
well
and
then
some
other
things
too
parking
and
some
other
items
that
we
pay
for.
We
provide
facility
for
the
social
workers
while
they
are
at
our
precincts.
K
I
H
G
G
I
H
L
Right,
it's
a
it's.
A
great
question,
sure
you
yeah
you're
sure
I
will
defer
to
Deputy.
C
So
the
slide
is
accurate
for
how
other
agencies
are
doing
it,
because
other
agencies
don't
have
the
benefit
of
BCR.
You
know
we're
incredibly
unique
and
fortunate
in
the
City
of
Minneapolis
to
have
them
responding
to
9-1-1
calls
so
the
way
that
Minneapolis
would
be
able
to
utilize,
it
would
be
different.
We
would
be
able
to
use
it
in
a
capacity
of
officers,
respond
to
a
call.
Maybe
it's
a
burglary
call
or
a
domestic
assault,
call
something
that
you
wouldn't
think
is
necessarily
being
driven
by
a
mental
health
issue
and
recognize
once
they
get
there.
C
You
know
follow
up
here
at
this
address
would
be
helpful.
There
might
be
more
going
on.
Maybe
it
really
wasn't
a
burglary,
but
some
mental
health
issues
in
the
home
that
maybe
there's
paranoia
and
some
confusion.
Certainly
we
respond
to
a
lot
of
calls
involving
our
senior
community
with
a
dementia
and
Alzheimer's,
and
family
members
are
just
not
always
aware
of
the
support
and
opportunities
available.
C
Having
those
officers
make
those
up,
you
know,
take
those
observations
in
and
then
turning
that
information
over
to
the
embedded
social
worker
for
follow-up.
You
know
the
goal
is
to
make
sure
that
you
know
the
person
can
stay
in
their
home.
If
it
is
a
situation
where
there's
dementia,
how
can
we
make
sure
that
the
home
is
safe?
C
H
That
help,
yes,
that
helps
tremendously
so
I
just
also
want
to
clarify,
then
that,
because
we
now
have
that
ability,
like
you,
said
for
an
individual
call,
9-1-1
I
just
did
a
ride
along
with
our
BCR
team
and
so
last
week,
and
so
this
would
not
be
something
that
our
BCR
staff
would
also
be
using.
Or
is
this.
C
Something
they
could
yeah
for
sure,
so
they
too
have
opportunities
to
go
into
homes
and
recognize
there's
a
lot
more.
That
needs
to
happen
here
to
make
this
a
safe
situation
for
the
Community
member,
so
they
would
be
able
to
turn
it
over
to
the
embedded
social
worker
and
say
you
know
they
would
benefit
from
additional
Services.
Here
we
are
now
passing
this
off
to
the
embedded
social
worker
for
additional
follow-up
care
and
stabilization.
Okay,.
H
F
H
Single
one
of
them
they
would
have
because
I
went
to
on
a
call
that
was
a
frequent
caller.
So
this
was
the
third
time
they
had
called
in
that
within
four
hours,
I
went
on
a
call
where
there
absolutely
they
knew,
and
they
did
everything
they
could
to
Advocate
into
that
situation.
But
follow-up
Services
would
be
needed
and
then
another
call
for
sure.
Services
follow-up,
Services
would
have
been
I,
think
I'm
no
expert
in
this.
But
from
what
I'm
hearing
you
say
that
they
would
want.
That's
three
calls.
H
That's
one
Precinct
and
right
now,
you're
saying
that
we
want
to
have
one
of
these
embedded
social
workers,
and
this
was
one
day
I'm.
Just
trying
to
help
us
understand
like
the
need,
for
this
absolutely
is
seems
like
much
higher
demand
than
what
you're
asking
for
here
today
and
I'd
like
to
know.
You
said
other
suburbs
have
this:
how
do
we
compare
I
know
we're
just
beginning
this
and
we
have
potentially
five?
How
would
we
compare
when
we
look
at
our
population,
but
not
just
population?
H
Be
and
then
last
question
I
think
that
this
is
a
phenomenal
program
and
I'm
really
excited
that
we
are
going
to
be
working
on
this
partnership.
What
is
the
training
for
MPD
so
that
they
know
like
our
officers
and
BCR
so
that
they
know
that
they
have
this
embedded
social
worker?
What's
that
connection
so
that
they
know
how
to
you
know
in
the
moment,
they're
triaging
this
crisis
and
then
to
be
like?
C
H
C
Member
councilmemberkowski,
now
the
the
one
piece
is
right:
now
this
doesn't
exist,
and
so
will
they
be
overworked.
Perhaps
the
opportunity
for
training
would
take
place
in
at
a
very
you
know,
at
a
micro
level,
so
that
the
precincts
would
get
to
know
each
of
their
embedded
social
workers,
a
person.
Obviously
they'll,
you
know-
be
working,
probably
Monday
through
Friday
daytime
hours,
but
still
be
available
by
whether
it
be
a
new
business
card
out
to
community
the
the
precinct
will
be
able
to
have
that
staff.
C
Member
attend
roll
calls
introduce
themselves,
provide
those
conversations
or
here's.
What's
worked
in
the
past,
here's
what
I
am
providing
services
for
here's.
What
this
looks
like
going
forward
at
other
cities
and
departments
and
so
being
able
to
share
that
face
to
face
having
them.
The
embedded
social
workers
actually
in
the
police
precinct
is
going
to
provide
a
lot
of
opportunity
for
a
more
organic
relationship
as
well,
so
not
just
having
the
formal
training
but
also
being
able
to
meet
on
a
regular
basis
and
being
out
in
the
field.
C
Within
that
police
precinct
being
helpful
and
getting
to
know
Community.
You
know
another
benefit
too,
of
having
them
physically
inside
that
police
precinct
being
office.
There
is
when
we
have
community
members
that
you
know
come
to
the
precinct
themselves
and
are
in
need
of
some
support.
Maybe
they've
just
got
a
really
unique
situation,
they
don't
know
where
else
to
turn.
L
Yeah
thanks
I'm
chair,
Ellison,
council
member,
it's
a
great
question
and
one
of
the
things
that
that
has
showed
up
quite
a
bit
as
the
the
training
between
law
enforcement
and
social
workers,
totally
different
cultures,
and
what
we
have
found
is
that
it
actually
can
can
complement
one
another
really
well.
So
there
is
certainly
a
learning
curve
that
each
City
goes
through
when
all
of
a
sudden
there
are
social
workers
that
think
and
act
quite
differently
from.
E
L
Enforcement
and-
and
it's
it's
been
a
a
learning
curve
for
us
as
well.
We
don't
understand
how
police
do
what
they
do
or
why
they
do
what
they
do,
and
it
has
been
a
a
very
good
partnership
to
just
get
some
some
cross
training
going
understanding
that
both
both
responsibilities
are
different
and
yet
we're
serving
toward
the
same
goal.
What
we
have
done
is,
as
deputy
chief
Waite
has
said,
is
that
we
now
have
like
training
protocols
for
all
of
our
social
workers.
L
We
do
bring
the
police
through
some
of
these
trainings,
we're
not
making
police
officers.
Many
social
workers
we're
not
doing
that
that
the
objective
of
the
training
is
really
to
understand
each
of
our
roles,
each
of
our
areas
of
expertise
on
how
to
partner
and
so
you're
right.
So
some
of
it
is
what
are
appropriate
calls.
What
are
appropriate
referrals
from
an
officer
when
it
when
a
call
looks
like
this.
That's
probably
a
good
one
to
hand
over
to
us
if
you're,
showing
up
in
a
particular
congregate
setting.
L
That
should
be
a
red
flag
hand
it
over
to
us,
and
so
we
start
doing
things
like
that
and
and
it
it
just,
it
goes
right
with
BCR
I
will
say
that
there's
already
relationships
that
are
forming
in
that
layered
approach.
That
I
talked
about
the
the
county
you
know
has
working
relationships
with
with
folks
in
the
community
of
Minneapolis,
and
so
what
we
would
do
if
we
entered
into
this
contract
would
be
to
start.
You
know,
building
in
what
are
those?
What
are
those
realistic
connection
points
between
BCR?
L
That
would
be
at
the
very
operational
level
where
our
teams
would
be
working
together
to
understand
this
one
needs
more
support
than
what
I
can
give
in
the
moment,
making
that
referral
it
isn't
as
if
we
would
be
handing
out
cards.
We
typically
don't
do
that.
It's
really
the
the
warm
handoff
between
I
am
here.
I
am
with
you
and
I'm
gonna.
If
you
are
interested,
I
will
make
this
referral
over
to
the
social
worker.
This
is
absolutely
voluntary
and
the
individuals,
if
they
choose
not
to
participate,
that
is
totally
fine.
L
We
will
make
some
some
calls.
You
know
if
we
can't
reach
the
person
right
away,
and
so
they
haven't
had
that
ability
to
engage,
but
I
just
wanted
to
make
that
really
clear
that
it
isn't
just
hear
you
know,
make
the
phone
call
to
the
embedded
social
workers.
It's
really
happening
in
more
of
a
a
real
time
in
the
moment,
kind
of
response.
C
Thank
you,
that's
very
helpful,
and
also
just
for
reference
councilman
rukovski.
We
did
have
embedded
social
workers
in
a
sense
in
the
past
with
corresponder
program,
so
the
officers
out
in
the
precincts,
those
that
have
been
there
prior
to
2020,
they
remember
having
the
benefit
of
a
social
worker
within
the
precinct,
so
I
think
that
will
definitely
help
and
make
sure
that
they're
able
to
utilize
them
in
a
regular
fashion
because
they
they
had
that
in
the
past.
H
E
You
chair,
Ellison
I,
do
also
want
to
highlight
one
of
the
ways
and
this
kind
of
Builds
on
the
question
that
council
member
Koski
just
raised
about
how
unique
Minneapolis
is
in
regards
to
some
of
your
other
partners,
and
this
even
is
noted
in
the
RCA
we're
currently
undergoing
government
restructure
where
we're
creating
a
whole
new
office
of
community
safety,
where,
under
that
we
have
five
divisions.
Something
that's
separate
from.
Probably
your
existing
Partners
is
9-1-1
is
its
own
division.
E
Also,
BCR
will
be
under
neighborhood
safety,
which
is
its
own
division,
so
we're
having
separate
divisions,
have
autonomy,
but
also
complement.
You
know
that
relationship
with
one
another,
so
I
think
that
should
be
put
into
light,
and
that
said,
this
is
clearly
something
that
all
five
of
those
divisions
will
greatly
benefit
from.
You
know
in
terms
of
having
these
social
workers-
and
it
seems,
like
the
goals
I
see
listed
here
in
your
presentation
again
applies
to
this
entire
five
division.
E
You
know
that's
going
to
be
part
of
our
new,
comprehensive
safety
system
and
I
think
also.
What
is
most
important
is
the
reason
why
we're
embarking
on
creating
the
office
of
community
safety
is
because
we
want
to
give
residents
the
opportunity
to
access
both
Public
Safety
Services,
as
well
as
necessary
social
services
without
also
having
to
go
through
the
police,
as
you
just
mentioned,
the
minimalizing
of
contact
with
the
criminal
justice
system
and
doing
that
both
on
a
proactive
basis.
E
So
that's
that
I
actually
have
a
question
for
our
attorneys
or
actually
with
Hennepin
County.
Since
the
RCA
does
says
it's
pending
government
restructure.
Is
there
a
way
to
amend
this
contract
to
substitute
the
office
of
community
safety
with
MPD
to
just
make
that
switch
and
reflect
that
that's
the
direction
that
we're
moving
towards.
J
Mr,
chair,
councilmember,
onesie,
I
I
could
talk
to
our
folks
and
get
back
to
you
with
an
answer
that
I
don't
know
right
now
off
the
top
of
my
head.
E
J
Council,
member
Ellison
or
Charles
and
councilman,
not
not
that
I'm,
aware
of
maybe
you
are
I
I
I,
can't
think
of
anything
off
top.
My
head.
A
J
A
Okay,
any
further,
yes,.
E
While
you're
doing
that,
my
only
concern
is
I
would
like
that
to
be
reflected.
We're
taking
action
on
government
restructure
this
Thursday
so
either.
Could
we
delay
this
item,
while
our
attorneys
and
clerks
figure
out
that
process
of
amending
a
contract
so
that
once
we
take
action
on
government,
restructure,
we'll
have
Clarity
that.
F
You
Mr
chair
and
I'm,
not
going
to
speak
for
our
City
attorneys
here,
I
will
say,
though,
I
have
had
a
lot
of
discussion
with
our
city,
attorneys
about
processes
and
procedures
related
to
another
committee,
Public
Works
and
infrastructure,
which
I
chair
and
different
items,
and
whether
we
have
Authority
or
not
to
amend
them
as
I
understand
it.
There
are
some
items
where
we
don't
have
authority
to
amend,
but
that
the
intent
is
that
we
can
either
vote
up
or
down
with
a
basically
a
direction
to
come
back
around
an
amendment.
F
What
I
would
say
is
what
we
might
want
to
do
in
this
case.
If
there's
an
interest
in
an
amendment
is
if
we
move
this
item
forward
to
council,
then
that
would
still
give
at
least
a
few
days
for
any
interested
council
members
who
want
to
bring
forward
an
amendment
to
have
discussions
with
the
city
attorney's
office,
with
the
other
party
involved
in
this
Hennepin
County,
to
ensure
that
they're,
supportive
of
any
sort
of
amendments
into
figure
out
kind
of
those
procedural
elements
and
that
way
we're
not
delaying
two
cycles.
F
This
work,
but
instead
able
to
kind
of
in
parallel,
look
at
this
whole
Amendment
question,
so
that
might
be
a
An
Elegant
way
of
resolving
this.
A
I'll
say
I'll
jump
in
just
to
say:
I
I
was
I
was
going
to
have
similar
questions
about
the
housing
of
this
of
this
contract
in
in
MPD.
Not
that
I
oppose
just
that.
You
know
we
do
have
to
councilman
to
Vice
chair
wansley's
point
we
do
have
this
government
restructure
happening,
wondered
if
this
wasn't
more
appropriate
to
be
housed
out
of
ovp
or
out
of
the
you
know,
sort
of
the
banner
office
that
oversees
all
these
departments.
A
You
know
and
so
I
had
a
similar
question
with
that
being
said,
you
know,
I
I
wasn't
sure
if
we
could
amend
the
the
amendment
on
the
dice
and
and
I
I
guess,
I
I
wouldn't
be
surprised
if
we
can't,
but
to
councilmember.
Johnson's
point
would
would
amending
the
contract.
You
know
before
Thursday
I
know
that's
a
very
fast
turnaround
to
sort
of
account
for
government
structure,
keeping
all
the
basics
of
the
service
and
the
partnership
in
place.
Would
that
be
amenable?
A
Would
that
be
something
that
you
all
would
be
able
to
to
do
this
this
week?
I
guess
that's
kind
of
a
big
question.
Sorry
to
put
you
on
the
spot.
L
Chair
Ellison
I
will
defer
to
Minneapolis
around
their
all
of
your
Logistics
I
I
just
wanted
to
raise
one
point
that
our
County
Administrator
has
asked
every
city
because
of
budgeting
purposes
and
we're
concluding
our
budget
process
that
any
city
that
is
interested
in
participating,
including
you
know,
adding
on
Etc,
has
those
decisions
by
November
15th.
L
A
I
wasn't
aware
of
the
specific
deadline,
but
I'm,
not
surprised
and
I.
Think
that
this
is
I
mean
this
is
a
par
at
least
I'll
speak
for
myself.
This
is
a
partnership.
I
would
love
to
see
go
forward,
but
I
think
that
if
I
share
wansley's
questions
were
you
know
are
are
well
stated
and
well-founded
when
it
comes
to
government
structure
and
where,
where
contracts
should
should
or
should
shouldn't
live
so
I
see,
we've
got
two:
we've
got
councilmemberkowski.
We've
also
got
councilmember
Vita
in
the
queue.
H
Thanks
Mr
Allison,
so
my
I
I
guess
my
thought
here
and
you
just
basically
answered
I
was
going
to
ask
like.
Is
there
a
timeline
on
this
that
if
we
are
delaying
or
making
any
changes
in
this?
H
H
The
deadline
on
so
I
want
to
make
sure
that
whatever
decision
that
we
make
here
today
allows
us
to
make
that
so
that
we're
able
to
continue
on
with
this
and
if,
if
customer
Johnson's
idea,
does
that
then
I'm
open
to
that,
but
I
don't
want
to
delay
any
further
than
we
than
we
need
to,
because
I
do
feel
that
you
have
explained
to
us
that
BCR,
although
it
is
going
to
be
you
know,
coming
out
of
the
MPD
budget
BCR
and
any
has
the
services
so
it
to
me.
H
It
feels
very
it's
clear
that
anyone
is
able
to
use
these
Services.
It's
just
coming
out
of
the
MPD
budget,
but
any
911
response
can
be
able
to
utilize
this
so
for
I'm
I'm
open
to
moving
this
forward,
but
I'm
open
to
making
sure
that
we're
doing
our
due
diligence
I.
Just
don't
want
to
do
anything
that
would
jeopardize
us
not
being
able
to
have
this
thanks.
A
Thank
you,
I
see,
we
have
councilmember
Vita,
but
the,
but
the
attorneys
are
also
have
put
themselves
a
queue.
All
right,
so
I
will
pass
to
Mr
Nielsen
yep.
J
J
You
have
to
have
that
meeting
of
the
minds
on
whatever
the
changes
might
be
and
I
know
the
questions
directed
at
the
presenters,
we're
getting
at
that,
but
just
just
to
reiterate
that,
secondarily,
this
is
a
contract
too
that
once
all
the
structural
changes
occur,
we
could
just
amend
the
contract
the
next
time
it's
up
for
Amendment
or
renewal
I
mean
that's.
That
would
be
the
cleanest
and
easiest
way
to
do
it
without
getting
it
out
of
time.
So.
K
Thank
you,
chair,
Ellison,
I,
I,
too,
don't
want
to
delay.
This
I
think
it's
important
that
we
move
forward
with
this
work,
but
just
wondering
this
is
embedded
in
police
departments
in
all
of
the
cities
that
you
are
that
it's
implemented
in
right
like
this,
isn't
it's.
L
K
Yes,
in
all
of
these
cities,
yes-
and
it
comes
out
of
the
police
departments
and
the
County's
budgets
as
well,
it.
K
Okay,
so
that
that
is
the
model
for
for
this,
and
the
contracts
are
negotiated
with
our
lawyer
just
said
that
both
parties
have
to
that's
correct
agree
to
the
terms
of
of
the
contract,
and
so
yeah
I
think
you
know,
I'm
just
ready
to
move.
B
K
E
Yeah
I
just
wanted
to
know
and
I
know
an
agenda
setting
before
with
our
city
attorneys.
We
have
substituted
a
name
on
the
agenda
and
I'm
really
sad
that
we
didn't
catch
this.
Maybe
there
would
have
been
more
easier
time
in
doing
this,
but
because
we're
trying
to
align
ourselves
in
a
centralized
model
of
Public
Safety
and
again
we're
taking
this
vote
on
government
structure.
This
Thursday.
This
is
not
necessarily
a
delay,
it's
to
say
right
now,
proactively.
E
Let's
reflect
the
changes
that
we're
going
to
take
a
final
vote
on
this
Thursday
and
that
is
to
say
that
it's
the
office
of
community
safety,
so
I
don't
see
that
that
needs
to
weeks.
E
When
would
this,
even
if
we
try
to
explore
the
following
option
of
wedding
Attila
renewed
when
is
the
expiration
on
this
contract
two
years
so
two
years
so
to
retroactively,
reflect
something
that
we
can
take
action
on
two
days
before
we
actually
vote
to
create
this
whole
new
public
safety
system.
Yeah.
E
C
Thank
you,
councilmember
bonsley,
so,
at
any
time
it's
my
understand
we
can
amend
this
contract.
We'd
have
to
sit
down
with
the
county
attorney's
office
and
certainly
with
the
county
at
large,
and
be
able
to
make
that
Amendment
and
and
make
that
change.
L
Yeah
excuse
I
apologize.
It
is
an
uncommon
for
us
to
execute
a
contract
and
and
make
several
amendments
over
the
course
of
the
the
term.
It.
E
And
I
think
with
that,
would
it
be
possible
to
do
that
before
Thursday
again
we're
taking
this
vote
and
just
to
say
we're
changing
the
name
you're
still
keeping
all
the
services
I
think
there
is
no
delay
on
implementation
of
the
services.
It's
to
reflect
that,
and
this
says
this
in
the
RCA
again
pending
government
restructure.
This
is
just
following
up
with,
what's
already
noted
in
our
own
RCA,
but
by
Thursday.
L
Chair
Allison,
I
I,
don't
know
that
I'm
in
a
position
to
speak
on
behalf
of
our
County
attorneys,
who
would
need
to
review
it
they're
really
good
and
they
can
usually
meet
really
fast
Turner
on
deadlines.
I
just
don't
know
that
I'm
able
to
answer
that
question
definitively
I
apologize
and.
E
It's
probably
not
so
much
to
you,
our
attorneys
that
it's
very
clear
Minneapolis
is
the
only
one
that's
not
part
of
the
Cool
Kids
Club
when
it
comes
to
this
program,
so
I
think
in
20.
Yes,
next
48
hours
before
we
take
final
action
on
the
office
of
community
safety,
just
at
least
say.
Can
we
amend
this?
Have
that
be
reflective?
When
we
take
the
vote
on
this,
this
Thursday.
A
A
A
I'm
gonna
make
sure
that,
yes,
that
motion
carries
and
we
have
concluded
all
of
our
business
before
the
Pogo
committee
today
and
without
any
objection
we
are
adjourned.
Thank
you
all.