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From YouTube: June 13, 2022 Policy & Government Oversight Committee
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A
B
Council,
member
retail
council
member
chavez,
president
councilmember
koski,
president
councilmember
johnson
president
vice
chair,
wansley
president
and
chair
olson.
Here
we
have
six.
A
I
understand
that
we
do
not
have
any
presentation
related
to
this
item,
but
I
believe
patience
ferguson
is
in
attendance
to
speak
to
any
questions
that
committee
that
the
committee
members
might
have,
and
so
I
so
for
now.
Unless
folks
have
questions,
I
will
proceed
to
open
the
public
hearing
for
the
appointments,
and
I
understand
that
we
have
a
few
people
signed
up
to
speak
and
let
me
check
to
see
if
I
have
the
list
of
names.
I
don't
think
I
do.
A
And
so,
first
up
to
speak,
we
have
oh
I'll
say
that
we
have
three
people
signed
up
to
speak
so
far
and
if
there's
anyone
else
here
who
has
not
signed
up,
you
are
welcome
to
see
the
clerk
at
the
diocese
to
sign
up
and
we
will
give
each
person
two
minutes
and
I'll.
Ask
you
to
state
your
name
for
the
record,
and
so
first
we
have
sarah
maxwell.
C
C
C
A
Thank
you
so
so
much
the
second.
Our
second
speaker
that
we
have
signed
up
is
patience
ferguson,
but
if
you
want
to
you're
welcome
to
come
up
now,
mr
ferguson,
or
to
wait,
if
you
wanted
to
wait
to
answer
questions.
D
Good
afternoon,
chair
ellison
and
members
of
the
commission,
I'm
just
here
to
just
give
a
brief
overview
of
the
civil
service
commission.
I've
also
provided
you
with
some
information,
because
I
thought
it
was
really
important
for
you
to
have
consistent
information
related
to
this,
and
then
we
I'm
open
for
questions.
We
also
have
the
outgoing
chair
of
the
civil
service
commission,
ellen
levay,
who
has
agreed
to
speak
as
well.
I
just
want
to
give
an
overview,
as
ms
maxwell
indicated.
D
I'm
just
going
to
briefly
speak
to
what
the
process
is
for
the
selection
of
the
civil
service
commissioners
from
the
human
resources
perspective,
and
this
is
the
process
that
we
have
followed
in
the
10
years
that
I've
been
here
and
it's
my
understanding
that
commissioner
mcveigh
will
validate
that
that
has
been.
The
process
has
been
followed,
so
we
did
receive.
We
do
post
for
the
civil
service
positions
and
we
did
confer
with
the
civil
with
the
city
clerk's
office.
D
We
received
two
candidates
which
other
two
that
we're
forwarding
forward
based
on
their
qualifications,
based
on
the
experience
and
the
criteria
that
we
set.
I
personally
interviewed
both
of
those
individuals
and
it's
important
to
note
that
they
did
meet
the
deadline.
We
we
liken
human
resources,
we
posted
the
positions,
it
was
a
transparent
process.
D
People
were
invited
to
apply
to
be
on
the
commission.
I
interviewed
both
of
those
individuals
and
the
position.
If
I'm
not
mistaken
and
melody
can
validate
the
posting
closed
in
july
of
2021.,
we
did
subsequently
receive
another
application,
but
that
application
was
not
received
until
april,
and
so
that
was
past
the
deadline,
and
so
I
did
not
interview
that
particular
position,
and
so
that's
all
the
information
that
I
will
provide
for
you
at
this
time.
A
full
copy
of
the
civil
service
rules
is
online.
D
What
I
provided
for
you
today
is
the
role
of
the
civil
service
commission.
I
provided
a
letter
that
miss
mcveigh
will
be
talking
from,
and
I
also
provided
you
with
additional
information
related
to
the
role
of
human
resources
and
the
civil
service
commission.
So
at
this
point-
and
I
also
provided
you
a
copy
of
the
charter
for
you
to
review-
and
so
at
this
point-
that's
all
that
I
have
to
say.
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
time.
A
Thank
you
so
much
and
then
the
last
person
that
we
have
signed
up
to
speak
as
ellen
mcveigh.
F
Cheering
listen
hello,
council
members,
my
name
is
ellen
mcvay
and
I'm
the
outgoing
chair
of
the
civil
service
commission.
As
chief
human
resources
officer
ferguson
just
said,
I
have
been
a
minneapolis
resident
while
I've
been
a
twin
cities
resident
since
1973,
and
most
of
that
time
I've
lived
in
minneapolis,
I'm
a
proud
minneapolis
resident.
I've
lived
in
the
12th
ward
since
1991
and
represented
now
by
council
member
johnson.
F
I've
served
on
the
commission
since
1993
having
been
reappointed
nine
times,
and
I
let
the
my
colleagues
and
also
patients
ferguson
know
in
august
that
I
would
not
be
seeking
reappointment
this
year
because
I'm
retiring
the
position
as
as
patients
ferguson
said,
the
position
was
posted
from
october
to
december
of
2021
and
in
the
meantime,
council,
commissioner
macy
wheeler
had
decided
to
retire.
Also,
so
then
there
were
two
openings:
two
candidates
applied
if
this
was
again
a
public
posting,
transparent
and
both
of
the
candidates
who
applied
met.
F
The
that
process
was
followed,
and
so
those
names
were
forwarded
again,
as,
as
ms
ferguson
said,
the
application
that
was
received
in
april
was
not
timely
and,
as
a
result,
that
person
was
not
interviewed.
F
F
When
I
first
got
on
the
commission,
hugh
gallagher,
who
is
a
former
business
agent
of
the
communication,
workers
of
america,
was
a
commissioner
when
he
left
dick
johnson,
who
was
the
past
president
of
the
minneapolis
building
trades
was
a
member
and
then,
when
he
left
christine
seaward,
who
was
then
built
a
business
agent
for
cwa
served
served
during
her
term.
Commissioner
sieward
was
promoted
to
a
management
position
and
still
in
the
course
of
conversations
and
debates
about
various
cases,
took
a
labor
position
or
argue
on
behalf
of
in
the
employee.
F
Although
it's
not
a
very
argumentative
group,
it's
fairly
collegial.
So
I
I
feel
like
there.
There
has
been
all
the
way
along
a
very
large
attention
being
paid
to
the
role
of
labor
and
the
importance
of
labor.
F
When
there
have
been
issues
of
appeal
before
the
commission
or
classification
issues,
the
input
is
always
sought
from
labor.
So
I
think
that
to
set
this
situation
up
as
sort
of
a
labor,
not
labor
battle
is
is,
is
just
not
the
way
that
the
commission
operates.
F
So
I
would
urge
you,
I
know
it's
your
your
appointment
to
make,
but
I
I
the
hr,
department
and
and
the
commission
were
both
delighted
by
the
highly
qualified
candidates
who
were
who
you
know,
brought
themselves
forward
and
applied
for
these
open
positions,
and
so
I
would.
I
would
hope
that
you
would
look
at
those
recommendations
seriously.
A
Thank
you
so
much
for
your
time
and
your
testimony
is
there
anyone
else
that
would
like
to
speak
on
this
item.
A
Seeing
no
further
speakers,
I
will
go
ahead
and
close
the
public
hearing,
and
my
understanding
is
that
elizabeth
peterson
could
not
join
us
this
afternoon,
but
I'll
invite
william
walker
to
come
and
address
the
committee.
If
he's
here.
G
Good
afternoon
members
of
the
committee's
city
council,
I'm
william
walker,
I've
been
appointed,
or
at
least
nominated
for
the
position
to
serve.
I'm
a
lawyer
here,
I've
been
live.
I've
lived
in
the
city
of
minneapolis
since
the
late
90s.
I've
been
a
lawyer
for
nearly
30
years.
G
I've
represented
on
both
sides
of
the
fence,
both
civil
and
criminal
I've
dealt
with
and
understand
the
issues
that
are
before
us.
It's
a
pleasure
to
meet
you
and
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions
that
you
may
have.
A
Thank
you
so
much,
and
I
may
call
you
back
up
if
council
members
have
specific
questions.
Sure
thank
you.
Thank
you.
A
H
Yes,
I
wouldn't
mind
if
mr
walker
was
willing
to
answer
a
couple
more
questions.
A
Yeah,
mr
walker
yeah,
could
you
please
come
forward
and
councilmember
murkowski
go
ahead.
G
Well,
you
know
when
I
found
out
about
the
position
it
was.
You
know
one
of
the
things
that
I've
committed
my
life
to
is
giving
back
being
a
resident
of
the
city
of
minneapolis
for
many
many
years.
I
understand
that
there's
a
unique
interplay
between
employees
and
employers,
local
government
and
the
decision
making
process,
and
so
from
my
my
advantage
or
my
background,
I
think
I
attended
hamline
law,
school
hamlin,
school
of
public
administration.
G
G
I
You
chair
ellison.
I
just
wanted
to
offer
a
motion
to
delay
a
cycle
if
possible,
I
take
the
emails
and
messages
I
got
serious
from
labor
and
I
think
it's
worth
taking
a
little
time
to
look
into
so
I
would
just
like
to
offer
that
motion
to
delay
a
cycle.
A
Council
member
vita
has
put
a
motion
before
us
clerks.
Do
we
need
a
second
on
that
motion?
I'm
happy
to
second
that
motion,
but
we
will
continue.
We
can
still
continue
with
discussion.
So
council,
member
wansley.
J
Thank
you,
chair
ellison.
I
just
asked
questions,
maybe
for
our
clerk
or
hr,
or
maybe
even
our
city
attorneys
about.
While
I
would
support
this
motion
that
councilman
member
vita
brought
forward
it
is,
there
is
a
way
to
open
up
this
process
again,
because
I
want
to
acknowledge
right
now.
I
mean
over
the
past
three
weeks,
we've
seen
over
100
former
and
current
city
employees
raise
very
clear
concerns
about
our
workplace
environment.
J
So
I
think
it's
definitely
important
for
us
to
have
folks
with
labor
at
all
decision
making
tables
where
we're
really
looking
at
what
is
our
work
place?
Environments?
How
are
we
making
them
more,
equitable,
more
just
more
safe
for
all
of
our
employees,
so
I
think
labor
is
a
crucial
component,
a
partner
that
should
be
brought
forward
at
that
table.
J
So
it
does
seem
like
the
core
of
the
question,
though,
is:
can
we
expand
the
application
process
to
allow
for
maybe
that
applicant
to
come
for
more
applicants
to
come
forward
that
fulfills
this
part,
and
I
think
you
shared
that
mary
sorry
ellen
mcveigh,
that
typically
this
is
kind
of
a
guiding
principle,
but
this
is
something
that
we
do
put
on
our
website.
That
says
that,
typically,
we
do
hold
a
position
for
someone
with
a
labor
background.
J
I
think
we
want
to
see
that
reflective
in
this
this
commission,
so
who
could
be
able
to
answer
that
question
like
more
procedurally.
K
Mr
chair,
I'm
happy
to
take
a
first
stab
at
the
question
as
I
understand
it,
and
then
certainly
mr
nilsson
can
add
or
expand.
I
think
the
root
of
the
questions
I
understood
at
council
member
wansley
is:
does
the
council
have
the
ability
to
open
up
a
process
again
and
do
maybe
a
more
expanded
sort
of
search
process?
And
I
think
the
answer
to
that
is
no.
The
reason
for
that
is
because,
under
our
charter,
these
are
exclusively
the
power
of
the
mayor
to
bring
these
nominations
forward.
J
Thank
you
for
that
clarification,
clerk
carl.
So
there
does
seem
to
be
that
if
we
delay
a
cycle
as
council
member
vita
is
proposing,
there
is
the
flexibility
for
the
mayor
to
either
change
or
modify
his
appointments
to
this.
Yes,
okay.
Well
with
that,
I
absolutely
support
councilmember
v
todd's
motion.
L
I
was
gonna,
get
more
creative
I'll,
just
say
it
out
there,
since
elizabeth
patterson
isn't
here
today.
I
was
gonna
vote
to
like
deny
that
recommendation,
so
that
position
could
be
open
and
then
probably
wait
on
number
two
and
delay.
B
L
But
I
don't
know
if
that
would
be
a
possibility.
So
I
was
just
thinking,
but
you
just
answered
the
question.
Basically,
it
seems
like
if
we
were
to
extend
this
deadline
for
another
cycle.
We
can
open
up
the
application
process,
but
I
was
going
to
move
to
deny
number
one
because
elizabeth
pedersen
isn't
here
today
to
answer
questions
and
that
would
also
open
up
the
application
process
for
another
person.
But
I
think
delaying
is
less
complicated
and
I'll
support
that
as
well.
A
I
quickly,
I
I
I
think
I
may
have
forgot
to
close
the
public
hearing.
So
if
I
did,
I'm
gonna
now
close
the
public
hearing
and
I
will
after
councilmember
johnson's
questions
or
comments
I'll
ask
councilmember
vita
to
remake
her
motion
just
so,
we
can
all
be
square
process
wise.
M
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
and
I
appreciate
that
motion
and
will
support
that
motion
as
well.
I
want
to
thank
commissioner
mcvay
for
being
here
one
of
my
many
bosses
in
ward
12,
and
I
think
the
historical
context
is
really
great.
M
M
It's
about
what
kind
of
outcomes
we
have
this
historical
desire
to
see
this
committee
balanced
and
to
me
this
is
more
important
than
ever
because
of
staff
morale
staff
burnout
and
to
have
the
credibility
of
this
body
for
staff
who
approach
the
commission
who
are
going
through
that
process
as
well,
is
incredibly
important,
and
that
starts
with
who
is
on
the
commission,
and
if
there
is
somebody
from
a
labor
background
on
the
commission,
and
that
is
also
an
element
of
fairness
in
terms
of
fairness
of
how
it
is
perceived
and
if
the
process
is
trusted,
and
so
I
understand
that,
for
instance,
we
had
a
labor
applicant
and
it
was
not
timely
with
their
application.
M
M
I
know
you're
both
very
well
qualified
candidates
and
I
really
appreciate
you
stepping
up
to
serve
as
well,
and
I
look
to
the
mayor
to
make
a
decision
on
having
somebody
with
a
labor
background
on
this
as
well,
and
then
I
would
just
say
for
this
body
moving
forward.
M
I
think
we
have
a
role
in
responsibility
as
well,
because
this
has
been
the
precedent
or
this
not
the
precedent,
but
the
historical
at
least
norm
to
have
somebody
with
a
labor
background,
and
it's
something
that
I
think
the
body
I
will
will
speak
broadly.
I
think
the
body
would
be
supportive
of
I
think.
As
a
result,
we
should
make
this
requirement,
so
there
is
that
clarity
for
our
staff,
who
are
doing
this
process.
M
So
there
is
that
clarity
for
the
public,
and
so
there's
that
clarity
for
our
labor
partners
as
well
and
that's
something
within
our
jurisdiction
that
we
can
do
through
ordinance,
I
think,
would
be
I'm
guessing
widely
supported
as
well
by
by
the
body.
So
I
I
think
there
is
a
path
for
us
to
legislatively,
pursue
that
and
is
something
that
I
am
happy
to
follow
up
with
after
and
work
with
staff
on
that
exact
path
and
work
with
my
colleagues
on
as
well
and
really
appreciate
all
the
comment
and
discussion
here.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you,
councilmember
johnson,
councilmember
vitor.
If
you
could
restate
your
motion
and
then
I'll
re-second
it
and
then
we'll
take
a
roll
call
on
that.
I
A
And
I'll
second,
that
motion
is
there
any
discussion,
seeing
no
discussion,
all
those
in
favor
signify
by
saying
aye
aye,
all
those
opposed,
say,
nay,
and
that
item
is
delayed
a
cycle
and
I
wanna
thank
staff-
and
I
wanna
thank
mr,
mr
walker
for
being
here
today
to
answer
questions
and
and
for
applying
for
this
position
all
right.
A
That,
okay,
sorry,
let
me
get
on
to
the
consent
items.
There
are
27
items
on
the
consent
agenda.
I'll
now
read
the
consent
items
for
the
record
item.
Number
two
is
the
passage
of
an
ordinance
approving
salary
schedule
for
the
appointed
position
in
the
police
department
chief
of
police
item
number:
three
is
the
passage
of
a
resolution
approving
election
judge
and
deputy
city
clerk
appointments
for
the
august
9th
2022
primary
item.
Number
four
is
authorizing
a
request
for
proposals
for
engineering
and
design
services
for
pershing
fulton
residential
neighborhood
reconstruction
project.
Item
number.
A
Five
is
accepting
a
bid
for
the
for
mbc
and
city
of
minneapolis
office.
Improvements.
Item
number
six
is
accepting
a
bid
for
2022
large
diameter.
Sanitary
sewer
televising
item
number.
Seven
is
authorizing
contract
with
prize
brewery,
for
improving
storage
for
the
office
of
emergency
management
and
health
department.
Item
number.
Eight
is
authorizing
contract
amendment
with
thomas
and
sons
for
the
downtown
east
street
reconstruction
project.
A
Item
number:
nine
is
authorizing
contract
amendments
with
with
the
ram
construction
for
the
fridley
water
plant
west,
clean
water
basin
rehabilitation
project.
I
remember
10
is
authorizing
contract
amendment
with
the
esi
acquisition
inc
for
emergency
operations.
Center
incident
management
software
item
11
is
authorizing
contract
amendment
with
aspen
psychological,
consulting
llc
for
pre-placement,
evaluation
for
police
department
and
minneapolis
9-1-1
personnel
item
number
12
is
authorizing
contract
amendments
with
neighbor
neighbor
works,
home
partners,
dba
community
neighborhood
housing
and
build
wealth,
minnesota
inc
for
home
ownership
opportunity
for
minneapolis
lending
administration
services.
A
I
remember
13
is
amending
council
action
related
to
license
agreements
for
the
shared
bike
and
scooter
program.
Item
14
is
the
I-95.
Is
the
I-35w
and
lake
street
transit
access
project,
reapproving
appropriations
and
bonding
for
construction
improvements,
roadway
resurface,
roadway,
resurfacing
and
streetscape
component
item
15
is
approving
a
legal
settlement.
Stephen
meldahl
versus
the
city
of
minneapolis,
I'm
number
16
is
approving
a
legal
settlement.
Gregory
lavelle
with
versus
the
city
of
minneapolis
item
number
17
is
approving
a
legal
settlement.
Communities
united
against
police
brutality
versus
the
city
of
minneapolis.
A
Item
number
18
is
approving
illegal
sediment
communities;
okay,
it's
the
same
item,
but
it
appears
to
have
different
amounts.
So
I
might
ask
the
for
some
clarity
there,
but
item
number
18
is
approving
a
legal
settlement
also
with
communities
united
against
policing
versus
the
city
of
minneapolis
items.
19
through
28
are
legal
settlements
related
to
workers,
compensation
claims.
A
And
is
there
any
discussion
on
any
of
these
items?
I
will
ask
the
clerks
or
attorneys
to
maybe
just
explain,
17
and
18.
Just
so
I
can
be
sure.
That's
not
a
typo.
B
A
I
was
just
making
sure
that
that
it
wasn't
like,
because
both
items
were
labeled
the
same,
but
they
the
details
were
different,
but
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
it
wasn't
a
typo
or
something
like
that.
That's
correct
yep.
They
are
two
different.
Okay
great.
Is
there
any
any
other
discussion
on
the
consent
agenda,
councilmember,
wansley.
J
I
just
had
a
question
based
off
of
items
number
19
through
27,
which
I
won't
be
voting
in
favor
of,
but
I
had
a
question
for
our
city
attorney,
so
I'm
really
excited
that
we're
getting
this
mdhr
report
discussed
tomorrow,
but
one
of
the
things
that
came
out
of
the
report
specifically
on
page
19,
was
this.
This
theme
of
mpd
officers
violating
city
policy
by
using
excessive
force
and
also
getting
hurt
as
a
result
of
doing
so.
So
I
wanted
to
get
confirmation
from
our
city
attorneys.
J
Can
you
confirm
if
we
on
the
city
side
are
doing
our
due
diligence?
I
mean
all
of
these
workers
compensation
cases
to
make
sure
you
know
or
verify
that
officers
were
not
also
injured,
while
violating
the
policies
that
were
put
in
place
to
keep
them
safe,
as
well
as
our
residents.
E
Mr
chair
council,
member
wansley,
as
the
committee
knows,
the
the
workers,
compensation
claims
and
settlements
are
subject
to
data
practices,
considerations
particularly
pertaining
to
personnel
data.
I
I
honestly
can't
speak
to
each
of
these
items.
There
are
several
of
them
on
the
agenda
to
the
extent
that
there
is
an
a
need
for
discussion
about
any
particular
item
or
how
it
pertains
to
other
considerations.
I'd
be
happy
to
have
that
offline,
but
you
know
at
this
point
I'm
not
prepared
to
address
the
agenda
items
that
are
before
you
today.
J
So
just
clarification
city
attorney,
nelson,
so
injuries
are
part
of
the
data
privacy
like
measures
that
you're
referring
to
of
whether
or
not
officer
was
injured
or
any
of
these
officers
were
injured,
while
violating
policies.
You're
saying
that's
not
covered
under
our
current
data
practices,.
E
Mr
chair
councilmember
bonsai,
I
didn't
I
didn't
even
say
these
were
police
cases
you
you
said
that,
but
I
will
note
that
the
eligibility
for
workers
compensation
generally,
is
a
consideration
that
is
independent
of
the
the
often
the
the
elements
leading
to
the
to
the
injury.
J
E
J
Okay,
that's
really
good
to
know
walking
into
tomorrow's
conversation
where
this
was
again
documented
on
page
19..
This
is
public
information,
just
a
quick
comment.
The
reason
why
I'm
highlighting
these
things-
and
this
is
all
public
information
also
for
the
public
record-
is
that
one
of
these
officers
that
will
be
addressing
in
the
1.3
million
dollars
that
we're
discussing
today
in
legal
settlements.
J
One
of
the
officers
responded
to
a
call
with
derek
chavin
in
2017,
where
shavin
kneeled
on
a
black
woman's
neck,
that
woman
zoyaco
again
public
information
is
now
suing
the
city
and
is
looking
for
a
settlement
in
millions,
potentially
tens
of
millions
of
dollars.
Another
one
of
these
officers
posted
multiple
white
supremacist
threats
in
2020
against
cedar
riverside
and
the
council
on
american
islamic
relations
considers
dangerous.
J
Another
was
involved
in
the
shooting
of
thurman
blevins.
Another
was
involved
in
the
shooting
of
justine
diamond.
So
again,
this
just
deeply
troubles
me
that
we're
continuing
to
pay
out
millions
of
dollars,
even
until
today,
to
officers
who
have
done
some
very
egregious
and
violent
things
and,
of
course,
we're
not
able
to
get
into
discipline
or
any
type
of
accountability
measures.
Unfortunately,
because
of
some
of
the
data
practices
that
you
keep
referring
to,
so
I
at
least
want
to
put
that
on
public
record.
J
These
are
things
that
our
own
constituents
at
like
I
did
do
a
simple
google
search
around,
but
want
to
provide
some
context
behind
some
of
these
legal
settlements.
We're
reviewing
today.
B
Thank
you,
councilmember
koski,.
H
M
B
Okay
and
then
chair,
ellison
hi,
all
right
item
two
has
four
eyes
and
two
nays
three
through
eighteen
have
six
eyes
and
then
19
through
27
have
four
eyes
and
two
nice,
oh
and
item
28
has
six
eyes.
A
We
have
two
discussion
items
today,
the
first
of
which
is
authorizing
the
waiver
of
any
conflict
of
interest
between
the
city
of
minneapolis
and
the
fredrickson
and
byron
law
firm,
including
any
conflicts
of
interest
related
to
the
firm's
representation
of
jerry
goyette
in
a
lawsuit
against
the
city.
I'll
now
invite
our
interim
city
attorney
peter
ginder
to
present
on
this
item.
N
Thank
you,
chair
ellis,
and
members
of
the
committee.
As
you're
aware,
the
city
attorney's
office
has
general
authority
to
enter
into
these
contracts
for
legal
services
for
legal
services
when
it's
deemed
necessary.
The
real
reason
we're
in
front
of
this
committee
today
is
because
of
the
necessity
to
waiver
a
conflict
of
interest
that
the
frederickson
environment
for
might
have
for
a
little
background.
We
are
proposing
to
hire
david
lillhogg
to
assist
in
the
ongoing
mdhr
and
doj
investigations
and
settlement
processes.
N
The
waiver
is
for
the
conflict
with
the
case
of
the
guyet
matter.
While
it's
not
substantially
related
to
this
issue,
it's
sufficiently
related
that
we
thought
it
would
be
appropriate
to
have
the
firm
build,
what's
called
an
ethical
wall
which
is
a
commonplace
practice
in
law
firms
wherein
they
separate
the
people
and
materials
who
are
handling
that
particular
matter
from
any
other
anybody
else
in
the
firm,
so
that
there
is
no
interplay
at
all.
This
is
done
both
physically
and
with
software
programs
in
in
the
law.
N
Firm
people
will
take
affidavits
as
necessary
to
avert
that
they
comply
with
that
separation
and
again
it's
a
very
common
feature
done
in
in
large
law
firms
as
they
encounter
a
multitude
of
clients
with
that.
If
there
are
any
questions,
I'd
be
happy
to
answer
those
from
the
members
of
the
committee.
A
J
Thank
you,
chair
ellison.
Thank
you,
senior
attorney
grinner.
I
just
wanted
to
get
clarification.
Do
we
have
a
legal
relationship
existing
with
jones
day
in
terms
of
them
supporting
us
on
the
mdhr
consent
decree
process
as
well?
Yes,.
N
J
N
But
we
think
mr
lillahag
brings
particular
value
because
of
his
local
knowledge
of
both
the
us
attorney's
office
and
state
government.
That
would
help
us
as
we
move
forward
in
settlement
discussions.
So
that
is
why
he
would
be
particularly
valuable
to
the
city
attorney's
office.
With
his
experience
in
these
matters.
J
N
I
can't
speak
for
sure
with
with
actual
consent.
Decrees
of
doj,
since
minneapolis
has
never
had
one
locally
so,
but
he
has
a
wide
range
understanding
of
how
the
local
u.s
attorney's
office
and
department
of
justice
work
and
as
well
as
the
mdhr,
so
that
experiences
in
approaching
the
settlement
discussions
and
achieving
settlement
is
why
we
feel
he's
particularly
valuable.
J
N
I
believe
that
they
have
specific
experiences,
consent
degrees,
but
again
it's
the
more
more
than
superficial
knowledge
of
the
local
office
and
the
local
state
government.
He
has
a
deep
understanding
of
both
of
those
and
that's
why
we
believe
that
mr
littlehog
is
appropriate
to
bring
on
at
this
stage.
Okay,.
J
And
then
last
question,
so
I've
taken
kind
of
the
public
assumption
that
we
are
entering
into
consent.
Decrees
with
mdhr
as
well
as
doj.
I
would
hope
so
and
just
getting
it
very
clear
on
public
record
will
david,
or
this
attorney
support
us
in
entering
into
that
process
into
a
consent
decree
specifically
with
mdhr.
N
It
is
our
intention
to
use
mr
lohog
to
assist
us
in
negotiating
and
entering
to
a
settlement
consent
decree
with
mdhr.
If
we,
if,
if
that,
is
possible,
as
you
understand,
there
are
both
doj
and
mdhr
and
so
it'll
be
necessary
to
try
and
figure
out
how
to
work
these
together
as
best
we
can
to
avoid
double
paying
for
monitors
and
that
kind
of
thing.
But
it's
our
intention
to
negotiate
with
mdhr
to
reach
some
kind
of
agreement,
a
consent
decree
as
we
move
forward.
J
All
right,
and
I'm
just
getting
for
public
record
like
these
questions
out,
because
I
think
we're
wearing
this
probably
will
be
discussed
tomorrow
around
whether
it's
the
city
not
being
ever
like
super
present
and
involved
in
our
mdhr
negotiations,
or
discussions
thus
far
and
making
sure
that
whatever
legal
assistance
that
is
being
brought
to
the
table
is
happening
in
good
faith
and
making
sure
that
we
are
participating
in
these
negotiations
with
the
sole
goal
of
entering
into
a
consent
decree.
N
Councilmember
wants,
I
can
assure
you
that
is
our
intent
to
negotiate
in
good
faith
with
both
doj
mdhr,
with
the
purpose
of
receive
with
purposes
of
reaching
resolution
on
both
of
these
matters.
I
will
also
inform
you
that
both
jones
day
and
mr
lohog,
if
because
waivers,
granted
work
for
the
city
of
minneapolis
and
work
for
the
city
attorney's
office,
so
they
assist
us,
but
we
are
the
attorneys
for
the
city.
A
I
put
myself
just
in
queue
in
any
of
my
colleagues.
Please
feel
free
to
put
yourselves
in
queue
was
just
curious.
A
I
know
that
transparency
is
critically
important
to
the
public,
and
I
know
that
I
can't
remember
I'm
sure
we've
done
it
before,
but
I
can't
remember
the
last
time
we
were
voting
on
authorizing
to
waive
a
conflict
of
interest
and,
and
so
just
wanted
to
ask
what
kind
of
assurances
can
the
public
have
in
what
ways
can
the
public
understand
that
that
firewall,
so
to
speak,
at
fredrickson
and
byron
is,
is,
is
up
and
in
place
and
intact?.
N
Mr
chair,
I
can
tell
you
that
going
back
historically,
when
I
was
you
know
years
ago,
when
I
was
deputy,
that
we
would
occasionally
enter
into
conflict
waivers,
it's
common
in
the
legal
world
in
this
firm.
They
have
a
num
group
of
people
that
are
set
aside
as
ethics
ethics
officers
to
ensure
that
the
ethical
wall
is
in
place
and
it's
adhered
to
and
indicated.
We
can
also
get
affidavits
from
the
attorneys
involved
that
they
will
comply
with
that.
A
And
then
my
second
question
is
just
because
I
I
you
know
back
when
we
entered
into
the
agreement-
and
I
understand
that
jones
day's
role
has
has,
has
they've
played
a
role
in
how
the
city
has
moved
forward
and
with
regards
to
the
contract,
and
that
was
their
initial
sort
of
scope
of
service
and
now
they've
they've
entered
into
supporting
us
with
the
consent
decree.
A
I
do
remain
pretty
concerned
with
us
constantly
expanding
the
use
of
outside
counsel,
because
you
maybe
sort
of
speak
to
you
know,
aside
from
why.
Why
so
much
need
for
outside
counsel
and
not
just
with
you
know
we're
not
just
using
one
firm
but
we're
now
looking
at
bringing
on
an
additional
firm
one
national
firm
already
in
place
now
a
local
firm.
N
I
haven't
had
an
opportunity
since
I've
been
here
recently,
but
I
would
like
to
make
a
presentation
to
the
council
at
some
point
about
the
complexity
of
consent,
decrees
and
the
amount
of
time
it
takes
to
negotiate
them
so
that
you
have
proper
things
in
place
that
are
achievable
so
that
you
meet
community
expectations
as
well
as
things
that
can
be
appropriately
measured.
Each
of
these
consent.
Decrees
back
up.
Consent,
decrees,
normally
last
between
five
and
ten
years,
and
the
implementation
of
these
is
very
difficult.
A
Thank
you,
that's
my
last
question.
For
now
we
have
council
member
johnson
and
then
I
think
we
have
a
few
more
questions
from
councilmember
wansley.
M
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
and
I
support
this
item.
I
know
justice.
Former
justice
lehog
is
highly
respected
and
I
appreciate
the
need
for
this
as
well,
and
so
this
is
just
a
related
comment
and
I
know
mr
ginder,
you
and
I
have
communicated
about
this,
but
I
want
to
see
the
city
take
a
less
adversarial
approach
to
working
with
mdhr.
M
On
this
I
have
been
very
concerned
by
what
I've
read
and
what
I've
seen,
including
a
letter
that
we
sent
to
mdhr.
I
know
you
and
I
have
discussed
specifics
around
that,
but
I
think
it
was
a
mistake
for
the
city
to
pull
out
of
the
previous
negotiations
that
were
scheduled,
and
I
understand
we
got
to
do
our
due
diligence
and
we
got
to
get
information
as
well,
but
I
think
the
city
overstepped
on
that,
and
I
want
to
put
that
out
there.
I
think
it's
important
for
you
to
hear
that.
M
I
think
it's
important
for
the
public
to
hear
that
as
well,
and
I
think
it's
important
for
council
members
who
feel
that
way
to
say
that
so
I
hope
moving
forward.
It
can
be
a
more
productive,
positive
relationship
with
mdhr,
in
a
way
that
the
public
can
understand
and
appreciate
as
well.
Thank
you
thank.
E
N
Appreciate
that
councilmember
johnson
and
it's
our
intention
to
move
forward
in
a
cooperative
fashion,
and
it's
our
intention
also
to
make
sure
that
we
meet
our
fiduciary
obligation
to
the
city
that
we
know
what
we're
entering
into
the
bases
for
what
we're
entering
into.
And
so
when
we
postponed
these,
it
was
is
our
intention
to
get
more
information,
so
we
could
best
understand
how
to
move
forward
and
best
understand
how
to
set
forward
parameters
that
we
could
move
forward
on
discussing
setting
parameters
and
that
kind
of
thing.
N
J
Yeah
based
off
of
well
kind
of
building
upon
council
member
johnson's
comments.
I
will
is
there
any
urgency
to
enter
into
this
contract
now,
because,
if
not,
I
would
love
for
us
to
entertain
a
motion
to
postpone
this
one.
One
cycle,
especially
since
from
my
understanding
the
next
ndhr
meeting,
is
scheduled
for
june
21st.
So
or
is
it
not?
Please
correct
me?
J
If
that's
not
true,
I
think
it
would
be
good
to
see
the
city
demonstrate,
at
least
being
at
that
first
take
initial
meeting
since
we've
skipped
the
prior
two
and
then
be
able
to
report
back
to
the
commission.
Well
subcommittee
that
I
know
council,
member,
ellison
and
council
president
are
co-leading
so
that
we
can
all,
as
a
body,
have
an
understanding
of
what
role
we're
moving
forward
in
as
a
city,
and
then
that
could
best,
I
think,
informed
us
and
whether
or
not
we
need
to
bring
in
additional
counsel.
N
If
I
may,
mr
chair
councilmember
wanzi,
I
would
request
that
we
move
this
forward,
particularly
with
the
idea
is
we
do
contemplate
and
meeting
again
on
june
21st.
I
would
like
to
have
mr
lohog
on
board
at
that
time
to
assist
us
as
we
start
the
discussion,
so
that
he's
fully
invested
in
the
process
understands
the
status
that
we're
at
right
now.
N
I
believe
we
would
move
forward
more
efficiently
if
we
could
start
just
continue
this
process,
and
so
we
could
put
him
on
retainer
and
to
assist
us
in
the
settlement
negotiations.
A
Just
put
myself
in
queue
before
we
call
the
role
on
this
item.
You
know
I
am,
you
know
appreciative
of
the
expertise
that
we
have
from
fr
coming
from
jones
day.
I
didn't
support
the
original
pro
bono
contract,
but
I
I
understand
that
their
scope
has
sort
of
expanded
and
that
they're
and
that
they're
at
the
table,
and
I
appreciate
their
their
expertise.
I
appreciate
frederickson
and
byron.
A
I
am
hesitant
to
sort
of
to
have
two
contracts
with
outside
counsel,
and
so
I
won't
be
supporting
this
today
I'll
entertain
a
motion
from
to
approve
from
one
of
my
colleagues
or
to
delay
or
or
or
whatever,
but
I
I
did
wanna.
A
I
did
just
want
to
say
that
for
the
record
and
it's
not
a
reflection
of
the
expertise
coming
from
either
one
of
these
law
firms,
but
it
does
feel
like
quite
a
bit
of
firepower,
as
I
said
before,
and
it,
and
I
don't
and
I
do
think
it
sends
a
bad
message
for
us
to
sort
of
be
lawyered
up
in
this
way
when
it
comes
to
engaging
with
a
an
institution.
A
That's
that's
really
urging
us
to
to
provide
some
accountability
with
this
consent
decree
and
I
get
that
we've
got
to
do
our
due
diligence.
I
question
whether
or
not
we
need
both
a
national
and
a
local
firm
to
help
us
do
that
and
so,
and
so
I'm
I'm
plenty
open
to
to
to
having
discussions
between
now
and
full
council,
but
here
at
committee
today
I
won't
be
supporting
this
item
and
I
will
it
was
a
little
bit
rapid
fire,
but
but
I
will
I
will
call
it
councilmember
johnson.
M
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
If
there
are
concerns
from
committee
members
about
this
item,
then
I
would
suggest-
and
I
would
be
happy
to
move
that
we
for
this
to
council
without
recommendation,
so
that
committee
members
offline
can
have
conversations
and
get
more
information
and
so
that
the
full
council
can
weigh
in
on
this
expeditiously.
A
J
Yeah,
I
was
really
just
going
to
take
the
opportunity
for
us
to
have
the
motion
for
us
to
actually
just
delay
one
cycle
again.
We
have
mdhr
coming
tomorrow
to
present
to
cal.
I
think
that
gives
us
some
time.
Also,
it's
mdhr
the
state
department.
That's
coming
to
report
back
to
us.
We
have
not
scheduled
a
meeting
for
any
of
our
staff
to
come
back
and
tell
us
about
their
explicit
role.
J
You
know,
partners
that
needs
to
be
at
that
table.
So
I
think
two
weeks
is
more
than
enough
time
for
us
to
really
have
a
more
thoughtful
decision
behind
bringing
in
this
this
external,
well
additional
external
legal
counsel
on
this
matter,
so
I
still
would
like
to
sustain
my
motion
to
delay.
One
cycle.
A
I'll
ask
the
clerks
for
some
support
here.
If
that's,
if
that's
a
substitute
motion
or
if
it's
or
if
we
have
to
vote
on
the
underlying
motion
prior
to
emotional
delay,
I'm
I'm
supportive
of
both
motions.
But
we
do
have
the
motion
on
the
t.
We
have
the
underlying
motion
from
johnson
on
the
table
so
I'll
I
will
so.
If
there's
no
further
discussion,
I
will
ask
the
clerk
to
call
the
role
on
councilmember
johnson's
motion
to
delay.
A
J
L
Just
specifically,
I
don't
know
if
moving
without
recommendation
would
give
me
personal
enough
time
to
figure
out
the
details
getting
enough
information
from
city
staff.
If
I
would
be
able
to
support
this
on
full
council,
I
do
think,
as
a
city,
at
least
from
a
council
member,
seeing
the
news
articles,
it
doesn't
feel
like
we've
been
working
in
full
good
faith
on
this
consent
decree.
L
I
think
when
we
first
started
as
a
city,
we
said,
we've
always
known
this
happened
and
the
steps
we've
taken
since
then
has
been
not
all
of
this
is
true,
so
I
don't
think
that
having
these
contracts
at
this
very
moment
is
gonna
be
very
helpful,
and
I
do
need
personally,
as
those
those
two
weeks
to
hear
more
from
the
city,
to
see
how
we're
gonna
approach,
these
upcoming
consent
decree
meetings
to
make
sure
that
this
money
is
actually
going
to
be
used
in
a
way
that
I
would
appreciate-
and
I
just
want
to
state
that
I
would
support
a
delay
for
a
cycle.
L
But
if
not,
then
moving
without
recommendation
is
something
I'm
okay
with
as
well.
But
I
did
want
to
mention
that
a
lot
of
my
constituents
have
been
reaching
out
to
me
specifically
on
the
recent
news
articles
and
how
they
felt
that
at
least
we
have
been
approaching
the
consent
decree.
I'm
very
happy
that
there
is
a
subcommittee.
Now
that's
going
to
be
able
to
at
least
address
a
lot
of
these
issues
that
are
arising
in
the
media.
But
I
did
want
to
state
that.
A
All
right,
if
there's
you
know,
I
had
to
be
counting
votes
up
here,
but
I
do
think
a
motion
to
delay
would
fail
just
based
on
what
I'm
I'm
looking
at,
and
so
even
though
I
do
support
would
support
that
motion.
Councilmember
johnson's
motion
is
on
the
floor
and
I'll
have
the
clerk
call
the
role
on
that
motion.
H
A
And
one
may:
that
item
is
forwarded
without
recommendation
and
thank
you
to
city
attorney
ginder
for
the
presentation
that
brings
us
to
our
final
item
item
30..
Our
next
discussion
item
is
related
to
the
acquisition
of
the
first
precinct
police
station.
This
was
an
item
that
was
on
our
previous
agenda.
That
was
held
a
cycle
so
that
questions
from
committee
could
be
answered.
I'll
now
invite
director
barbara
o'brien
from
department
from
department
of
finance
and
property
services
and
the
city
and
the
minneapolis
police
department
to
speak
on
this
item.
O
O
Over
the
past
two
years,
property
services
has
evaluated
and
re-evaluated
this
project
for
its
viability
in
priority
and
consistently
has
concluded
its
relevance
based
on
the
following
criteria.
The
current
building
is
a
hundred
and
twenty
years
old.
It
was
built
as
a
fire
station
in
1902
and
is
functionally
obsolete.
O
O
The
current
facility
is
only
about
nineteen
thousand
square
feet.
Sixteen
thousand
square
feet
of
that
is
a
city
owned
facility,
3
000
square
feet
of
that
19
is
leased
from
a
neighboring
building
the
lease
from
the
neighboring
building
expires
in
may
of
2024.,
so
we
will
be
down
to
16
000
square
feet
at
that
point.
O
Parking
for
visitors
to
this
facility
is
limited
to
street
and
minimum
minimum
alleyway
parking
rear.
Alleyway
parking
is
both
inadequate
and
unsafe,
as
there
are
two
very
active
service
alleys
that
flank
the
property
facility,
access
is
frequently
blocked
by
neighboring
uses
and
is
operationally
dangerous.
O
O
O
We
simply
need
the
space
to
do
it.
The
current
facility
does
not
provide
that.
The
proposed
facility
for
the
new
first
precinct
is
within
a
poured
concrete
structure.
The
overall
complex
is
comprised
of
two
structures
with
a
centralized
parking
ramp
in
between
this
complex
occupies.
The
entire
city
block
entries
and
exits
to
each
tenant
will
be
on
opposite
sides
of
the
block,
so
substantial
physical
separation
exists
by
both
proximity
and
the
structure
type.
O
O
O
O
O
Programmatic
needs
does
not
lend
itself
to
flexibility
in
space
use,
which
would
continue
to
impact
their
ability
to
operate
at
opera,
optimal
levels.
Finally,
inflation
is
dramatically
increasing
construction
costs.
We
see
this
across
the
board
all
develop.
Any
development
will
likely
be
more
expensive
as
time
passes.
O
A
You
so
much
do
I
have
questions
from
colleagues.
I
will
go
ahead
and
call
on
councilmember
johnson.
M
M
I
think
you,
you
know
read
my
mind
so
you
know
I
had
talked
last
time
about
this
and
really
taking
a
a
moment
here
to
understand
the
larger
picture,
because,
certainly
in
my
ward,
we
don't
have
our
third
precinct
right
now,
right,
they're
in
a
temporary
location,
downtown
and
now
this
precinct
is
moving
to
another
location
or
there's
an
operational
need,
and
then
you
know
that
I
think
there
is
interest
within
community
around
evaluating
the
fourth
precinct
as
well,
so
we're
talking
about
40
to
60
percent
of
our
precincts
and
then
in
this
context,
as
well,
post-murder
of
george
floyd
and
the
civil
unrest
and
uprising
and
in
the
context,
as
well,
of
a
new
government
structure
with
this
proposal
around
a
community
safety
department
and
really
what
I'm
interested
in
hearing
more
about
is
just
talk
through
or
share
right
about
reflecting
on
this
strategy
of
this
location.
M
Oh,
we
need
to
make
sure
all
our
precincts
are
like
this
and
unfortunately,
this
building
won't
meet
that
requirement
or
qualification
right,
and
so
I
think
that's
really
the
goal
that
I
wanted
out
of
this,
and
so
I'm
glad
you're
back
to
be
able
to
just
talk
through
that
of
you
know,
helping
share
with
the
public
why
this
makes
sense
today
and
how
this
plays
in
with
and
provides
flexibility
for
these
other
potential
changes,
including
co-location
and
things
like
that.
Okay,
thank
you.
P
All
right,
chair,
ellison
to
council
member
johnson,
that
was
a
a
long
list
of.
K
P
I'll
do
my
best
to
hit
on
as
many
of
those
as
I
can
I'll
start
out
with
discussing.
I
think
the
five
precinct
system
that
we
have
now
and
a
lot
of
that
is
based
on
quite
honestly,
geography
and
call
low
distribution.
P
If,
if
an
area
was
the
responsibility
of
a
different
area,
there
would
be
a
very
limited
number
of
crossings
of
the
river
or
across
the
freeway
in
order
to
to
facilitate
responsiveness.
P
And,
additionally,
the
number
of
calls
answer
to
the
call
load
being
distributed
in
as
equitable
a
fashion
across
the
five
precincts
taking
into
account
the
geographic
concerns.
And
if
you
look
at
you
know
essentially
a
three
a
three
year
breakdown
it's
fairly
evenly
distributed
in
order
to
spread
that
across
the
first
precinct.
P
P
So
you
can
see
that
there's
a
bit
of
a
of
wanting
to
ensure
that
no
no
one
precinct
or
assignment
is
getting
overburdened
in
terms
of
being
able
to
respond
to
calls
for
service
having
additional
precincts
would
be
very
challenging
currently
because
one
of
the
most
important
things
we
want
to
make
sure
we
have
is
appropriate
supervisory
structure
and
command
structure
with
each
additional
precinct.
We
need
to
provide
that
additional
command
structure
and
and
those
people
have
to
come
from
somewhere.
P
You
figure
with
gene
and
inspector
and
four
lieutenants,
and
about
15
sergeants,
not
to
mention
detectives
and
then
and
then
the
officers
itself,
so
it
it
would
be
it'd
be
challenging,
given
our
current
staffing
structure
to
to
create
additional
precincts,
the
first
precinct
as
everyone
who
is
who
has
been
around
the
city
for
a
while
the
downtown,
has
been
increasing,
leaps
and
bounds,
and
also
in
terms
of
people
that
live
downtown.
P
And
so
we
over
the
course
of
history.
The
the
downtown
area
has
gone
from
a
location
that
has
been
served
by
another
precinct
by
the
fourth
precinct,
because
there
just
wasn't
a
a
residential
population
to
becoming
a
command
which
wasn't
a
precinct
of
being
a
full-blown
precinct
and
being
one
that
has
tens
of
thousands
of
people
that
live
downtown.
P
I
would
say,
keeping
in
mind,
you
have
a
limited
number
of
places
you
usually
can
can
work
with
in
terms
of
citing,
but
ideally
you
want
it
to
be
a
place
that
will
help
you
with
your
response
times.
You
want
it
to
be
generally
in
an
area
that
is
equally
and
easily
accessible
to
the
public
being
on
public
transit.
You
want
to
be
able
to
make
it
easy
for
the
public
to
come
visit
having
parking
people
can
and
do
use
our
facilities
to
not
only
for
the
community
rooms
but
for
walk-up
services.
P
They
use
them
as
a
safe
place.
That's
open,
24
hours
a
day,
one
to
receive
emergency
services
to
use
our
location
for
transfers
of
custody
of
children.
Sometimes
when
relationships
are
contentious,
it's
it's
a
it's
a
place.
People
know
is
open
24
hours
a
day,
so
we
want
to
make
sure
that
it's
not
only
present
but
available
and
accessible
through
ada
and
and
things
of
that
nature.
M
M
P
Chair
ellison,
councilmember
johnson,
I
think
the
overall
footage
of
the
building
would
be
able
to
do
that,
and
I
know
that
in
in
other.
We
would
welcome
the
opportunity
to
have
you
know,
embedded
social
workers
and
things
like
that
nature
in
the
precincts
it
becomes
more
of
a
design
issue,
just
because
of
the
I
would
say,
the
security
requirements
that
come
around
criminal
justice,
information
or
sieges
data
that
just
kind
of
require,
maybe
a
little
bit
more
of
bifurcation
of
space.
M
H
A
Thank
you
so
much.
If
I
share
munsley,
did
you
still
have
questions?
I
saw
your
name
tag
go
up,
but
then
I
saw
okay,
great
councilmember,
vita.
I
Thank
you,
chair
ellison.
I
had
the
opportunity
to
visit
the
first
precinct
a
few
weeks
ago
with
councilmember
rainville
and
the
most
stressful
part
about
it
is
the
parking.
Oh,
my
goodness,
you
can't
even
get
in
the
parking
lot
for
one
and
who
would
dare
park
in
it
because
you
wouldn't
get
out
for
sure
I
mean
there's
so
many
cars
just
jammed
in
that
space.
I
had
first
off.
I
didn't
even
know
where
to
find
the
parking
lot
at,
even
though
I
had
been
given
many
instructions
on
like
how
to
get
to
it.
I
I
I've
lived
in
this
city
for
a
really
long
time
and
just
recently
found
out
like
that's
even
where
that
precinct
is
because,
like
it's
just
not
easily
accessible,
like
other
precincts,
in
my
opinion,
you
know,
I
know
where
other
ones
are
they
they
kind
of
stand
out
in
communities.
You
know
where
they
are
and
it
just
you
know
when
I
went
in
it's
a
super
cool
building.
It's
an
old
like
fire
station
with
old
ladders
and
stuff
is
it's
cool
on
the
inside,
but
it's
just
not
as
welcoming
it's
not
like.
I
I
went
and
met
with
a
couple
of
the
the
women
who
respond
to
some
downtown
stuff
and
they
were
just
like
kind
of
in
a
dark
closet
room
with
no
windows
and
like
that's
where
they
they
spend
a
lot
of
their
time,
and
so
I
those
are
some
of
the
things
I
noticed
right
away,
and
so
I
I'm
supportive
of
you
know
us
moving
forward
with
this,
but
I
think
it's
it's
also
an
opportunity
for
us
to
look
at
all
spaces
like
this.
I
I
I
also
think
that
it's
good
we're
looking
at
how
we
use
this
space
for
additional
resources
like
alternatives
to
emergency
response.
If
people
are
housed
in
the
same
spaces,
if
they
want
to
be
right
like
we
can
ask
for
this,
but
maybe
some
of
these
people
don't
want
to
be
in
the
same
space,
but
I
do,
I
think
it's
a
great
opportunity
for
us
to
start
looking
at
in
the
future,
how
our
buildings
are
designed,
what
what
we
do,
what
services
we
provide
in
these
buildings
and
how
we
do
it.
A
Thank
you
and
then
I
see
we
have
councilmember
johnson
in
queue
again.
M
M
Make
sure
that
there's
that
flexibility
there
with
the
decisions
even
of
you
know
where
you
might
put
a
secure
space,
that
sort
of
thing
just
to
make
it
as
easy
as
possible
in
the
future
and
so
that
we
can
more
effectively
and
quickly
co-locate
and
have
that
working
partnership
where
we
are
able
to
where
there's
not
the
concerns
about
confidential
information,
that
sort
of
thing
and
if
we
can
have
a
shared
entrance
with
shared
services
right
from
the
get-go.
M
All
of
that
I
know
there's
a
lot
of
considerations
with
design
as
well,
but
I
think
really
bringing
that
to
the
forefront
now.
Will
spare
some
heartache
later
and
lead
to
better
outcomes
in
the
long
run.
So
thank
you.
M
Yes,
mr
chair,
I
am
happy
to
move
approval
of
this
item.
Thanks.
A
Thank
you
I
before
we
call
the
role
I'll
just
quickly
put
myself
in
and
just
say
you
know,
I
had
a
lot
of
I'm
glad.
We
had
the
time
to
to
sit
on
this
item.
I
did
have
a
lot
of
really
good
discussions
with
councilmember
goodman
and
a
number
of
others
here
in
the
room
as
well.
A
You
know
today,
I
I
am
not
going
to
be
supporting
the
item,
mostly
because
I
think
I've
also
heard
from
a
lot
of
folks
when
we
were
having
that
discussion
around
the
third
precinct
as
well.
The
community
wants
to
know
you
know
what
kind
of
changes
are
being
made
as
we're
sort
of
putting
a
lot
putting
a
lot
of
money
towards
this
kind
of
infrastructure.
A
I
also
you
know:
100
percent,
don't
want
to
deny
councilmember
goodman
who's,
put
a
lot
of
effort
into
this,
an
opportunity
to
vote
on
this
item.
She
certainly
worked
with
you
all
to
make
this
into
a
space
that
that
that
works
better
for
for
the
first
precinct
and
so,
and
so
while
I
won't
be
supporting
it.
A
I
also
just
want
to
say
that
I
I'm
hopeful
that
we
can
get
to
a
better
place
where
I
feel
like
I
can
talk
to
the
community
and
let
them
know
this
is
how
this
is
different
than
business
as
usual.
There's
a
lot
of
conversations
on
the
north
side,
their
account
their
you
know.
Latricia
could
probably
co-sign
there's
a
lot
of
folks
who
are
interested
in
seeing
the
fourth
precincts.
Something
different
happened
with
the
fourth
precinct
and
I
want
to
be
able
to
say
confidently
to
them.
A
You
know
if
there's
a
conversation
around
the
four
precinct
in
the
future
that
we're
going
to
do
things
differently
and
at
the
moment
I
just
feel
like
I
haven't
quite
that
we
as
a
city
haven't
quite
shown
and
proved
that
so
I
won't
be
supporting
this
item
today,
but
I
do
sort
of
I
do
appreciate
the
conversations
I've
been
able
to
have
with
my
colleagues
and
and
I'm
happy
to
sort
of
call
the
role
on
this
item
as
well.
A
So
if
there's
no
further
discussion
I'll
ask
the
clerks
to
call
the
roll.
H
H
B
And
chair
olson:
no,
we
have
three
eyes
and
three
nays
so
that
motion
that
motion.
A
Fails
but
I
see
councilmember
johnson
in
queue
to
make
another
motion.
M
A
And
then
do
we
have
a
second
on
that
mode?
Do
we
need
a.
A
Great
is
there
any
discussion
on
that
motion
to
forward
without
recommendation
I'll,
ask
the
clerks
to
call
the
roll.
H
B
A
And
that
item
is
forwarded
without
recommendation.
Thank
you
all
for
the
discussion,
thanks
staff
for
the
presentations,
and
with
that
we
have
concluded.
Oh,
we
have
a.
We
have
a
comment
from
our
vice
vice
chair
council
member
wanzli.
Yes,.
J
Actually,
it's
the
motion,
the
staff
direction
that
you'll
see
in
front
of
you,
and
this
is
based
actually
on
a
lot
of
the
things
that
you
already
have
drawn
out
in
our
prior
conversation
around
the
first
precinct,
it's
very
clear
that
we
as
a
body
have
the
opportunity
to
really
structure
a
conversation
around.
You
know
what
does
the
restructuring
of
our
public
safety
system,
starting
with
our
precincts?
You
know
we
just
had
one
about
the
first
as
council
member
johnson
noted.
J
We
also
have
one
coming
up
around
the
third
precinct
and
I
don't
think
these
things
need
to
happen
in
isolation.
We
already
have
a
report
from
community
members
around
the
third
precinct
around
you
know
what
does
it
look
like
to
bring
forward
unarmed
safety
services
we're
gonna?
We
also
just
passed
the
offer
process
where
we're
going
to
have
community
engagement
around
the
site.
J
You
know
redevelopment
plan
for
the
third
precinct,
so
I
think
it's
very
timely
for
us
to
look
at
how
we're
assessing
or
creating
assessments
so
that
we
can
also
then
create
a
plan
for
how
we're
using
precincts
in
an
intentional
co-location
model
of
some
of
our
unarmed
safety
well
public
safety
workers.
So
I
want
to
bring
this
forward
to
kind
of
reflect
the
nature
of
the
conversation
that
we
even
just
had
and
that's
been
going
on.
J
I
know
in
my
ward
that
intersects
with
both
council
member
johnson,
as
well
as
council,
member
jason,
and
it
also
seems
like
has
also
happened
in
ward
4.,
so
I'll
just
read
the
staff
direction
for
the
public,
but
basically
it
directs
staff
to
analyze
current
and
future
property
use
by
mpd,
unarmed
public
safety
workers,
including,
but
not
limited
to
9-1-1
behavior
crisis
response,
team
office
of
violence,
prevention
and
traffic
control.
The
analysis
will
consider
current
and
projected
future
staffing
levels.
J
Current
and
projective
projected
program,
delivery
outcomes,
ongoing
public
input
processes
and
possible
forthcoming
changes
all
with
the
goal
of
evaluating
possible
future
property
needs
based
on
a
comprehensive
city-wide
approach
to
public
safety
programs.
To
be
presented
to
the
pogo
committee
by
december
5th
2020,
so
at
the
end
of
our
our
kind
of
council
cycle
for
this
year
for
pogo-
and
I
just
want
to
name
again-
you
know
I
think
the
intentionalities
was
really
real,
like
raised
in
the
conversation
that
we
just
had.
J
I
also
want
to
highlight
too
council
member
vita
who
chairs
public
health
and
safety
has
held
a
number
of
presentations
where
some
of
our
unarmed
safety
services
have
come
to
present
before
council.
I
know
not.
All
of
you
sit
on
phs,
but
last
week
we
had
a
really
good
presentation
from
office
of
violence
prevention,
where
we
heard
from
dozens
of
minneapolis
workers
that
talked
about
one
of
the
explicit
challenges
they
have
right
now
is
no
physical
location
to
do
their
work.
J
The
same
also
with
our
behavior
crisis
team
they're
over
at
our
psb
building
and
it's
old-
and
I
know
a
lot
of
people-
don't
want
to
be
at
that
old
psb
building.
Everyone
loves
the
new
psb
building,
but
the
fact
that
they
don't
even
have
adequate
space
to
do
such
a
great
or
carry
out
the
great
work
that
they're
doing
for
our
city.
J
I
think
is
important
to
consider
so
just
even
thinking
of
some
of
the
presentations
that
we've
received
from
some
of
our
you
know
unarmed
safety
safety
workers
like
I
feel
like
this
is
a
really
relevant
conversation
to
have,
as
we
continue
to
do
our
planning
and
design
process
around
our
our
precincts,
but,
however,
we're
building
structures
for
our
growing
public
safety
system.
So
I
have
the
staff
direction
before
this
committee
to
consider
today
to
help
us
to
continue
this
dialogue
around
it
with
our
staff.
A
Thank
you
vice
chair
wansley,
and
I
believe
that
there
are
the
clerks
have
copies
for
any
members
of
the
public.
We've
got
copies.
Obviously,
councilmember
wansley
read
the
read
the
report
for
the
public
record
as
well,
and
I
see
we
have
questions
from
councilmember
vita.
I
Thank
you,
chair
ellison,
just
a
couple
quick
questions.
My
first
thank
you,
council,
member
wellesley.
I
I'm
supportive
of
this.
I
I
just
had
questions
about
who?
What
staff
would
do
this
and
is?
Should
the
language
we
use
maybe
be
like
directing
staff
from
the
city
coordinator's
office,
or
do
we
know
specifically,
who
would
do
this
work,
and
would
you
be
comfortable
with
us
naming
who
is
gonna
be
responsible
for
this
work.
J
Okay,
absolutely
if
you
would
like
to
make
the
friendly
amendment,
we
could
do
direct
staff
in
the
city
coordinator's
office
to
carry
out
this
assessment.
So
we
can
make
that
amendment
now.
H
Thank
you,
chair,
ellison
and
councilmember
wanse.
I
appreciate
you
bringing
this
forward
it's
the
first
time
I
sat
when
I
sat
down,
so
I
am
just
curious
and
I
don't
know
if
they're,
maybe
making
a
motion
to
perhaps
delay
this
one
cycle,
I'd
love
to
have
more
time
to
dive
a
little
more
deeply.
Have
another
conversation
with
you.
I
heard
the
friendly
amendment
of
adding
in
you
know
who
what
staff
we're
directing
to,
but
I'd
like
to
maybe
then
have
a
chance
for
us
to
connect
with
that
staff
to
find
out
this
timing.
H
Any
implications
of
to
your
point.
So
I
ward,
11,
is
also
part
of
the
third
precinct.
We
have
just
funded
some
support
to
go
towards
that.
We
have
this
potential
project,
so
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we
have
put
in
the
time
together,
especially
since,
like
I
said
I
I
we
sat
down
here.
It's
only
been
you
know
about
an
hour
or
so
that
I've
had
a
chance
to
look
at
this
and
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
we
get
clarity
and
make
sure
that
we
move
move
it
through.
J
I
would
say
I
would
like
to
move
forward
with
taking
a
vote
on
this
today
and
call
to
question
on
it,
and
you
know
this
is
a
timeline
until
december
5th.
So
we
have
you
know
more
than
six
months
for
us
to
chop
it
up
about.
You
know
how
this
will
better
strengthen
the
community
engagement
process
in
our
ward,
that
will
be
impacted
not
only
by
the
third
precinct,
but
all
precincts
that's
going
to
be
having
to
go
through
some
restructuring
process.
J
So
with
that,
I
would
like
to
make
the
motion
for
the
staff
direction
call
to
question
and
with
the
amendments
that
council
member
vita
move
forward
with.
A
A
It
okay,
cool
and
so
yeah
with
that,
I'm
happy
to
have
the
clerks
call
the
roll
on
the
walk-on
item
staff
direction
from
council
member
wansley.
H
B
Councilmember
johnson
aye
vice
chair,
wensley,
aye
and
chair
allison
aye.
We
have
five
eyes
and
one
nay,
on
the
staff
direction,
as
amended.
A
All
right
that
item
carries
and
seeing
no
further
business
before
us
and
without
objection.
This
meeting
is
adjourned.
Thank
you.
Everyone.