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From YouTube: February 7, 2022 Policy & Government Oversight Committee
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B
Good
afternoon,
everyone,
my
name
is
jeremiah
ellison
and
I
am
the
chair
of
the
policy
and
government
oversight
committee
and
I'm
going
to
call
to
order
our
regular
meeting
for
monday
february
7th
7th
I'd
like
to
note
for
the
record.
This
meeting
has
remote
participation
by
council
members
and
city
staff
as
authorized
under
the
minnesota
open
meeting
law,
section
13
d
.021
due
to
the
declared
state
of
local
public
health
emergency.
B
I
will
also
note
that
the
city
will
be
recording
and
posting
this
meeting
to
the
city's
website
and
youtube
channel
as
a
means
of
increasing
public
access
and
transparency.
This
meeting
is
public
and
subject
to
the
minnesota
open
meeting
law
at
this
time.
I'll
ask
the
clerk
to
call
the
role
to
verify
the
presence
of
a
quorum.
E
F
B
Let
the
record
reflect
we
have
a
quorum
and
we
are
also
joined
by
a
number
of
my
colleagues
that
I'll
try
to
list
here,
and
I
want
to
thank
them
for
joining
our
committee,
even
though
they
are
not
members
of
the
committee.
So
we
have
council
president
jenkins
here
we
have
council
member
goodman.
Here
we
have
council
member
jamal
osman.
B
Here
we
have
councilmember
elliott,
payne
and
councilmember
michael
rainville,
and
I
will
name
any
of
my
other
colleagues
as
I
see
them
as
I
see
them
come
on.
So
thank
you
guys
for
being
here
before
we
proceed
to
the
agenda.
B
I
will
note
that
there
has
that
there
was
an
item
related
to
no
knock
warrants
added
to
the
to
our
agenda.
This
weekend
I
sent
an
email
to
council
members
regarding
this
item
and
we
also
alerted
the
public
via
a
media
advisory
and
our
subscriber
list
with
that,
let's
proceed
with
the
consent
agenda.
B
There
are
19
items
on
the
consent
agenda
which
I
will
read
for
the
record
item
number
one:
cities
for
fortifying
democracy;
creative
engagement,
grant
for
promoting
youth
participation
and
community
issues.
Item
number
two
request
for
proposals
for
upgrading
squad:
video
systems.
Item
number
three:
2022
utility
billing
rates.
Amendment
item
number
four:
2021
quarterly
donations
report
item
number:
five
is
a
legal
settlement
item
number
six
is
a
legal
settlement
and
items.
Seven
through
18
are
legal
settlements
related
to
workers;
compensation
claims.
B
And
then,
lastly,
item
19
is
the
ethical
practice
board
appointments
with
that?
Do
any
of
my
colleagues
wish
to
comment
on
any
of
these
items
or
pull
any
for
discussion.
B
G
H
B
B
The
clerk
has
been
doing
an
excellent
job
of
keeping
us
abreast
of
the
process
and
considering
the
lengthy
discussion
that
we're
likely
to
have
on
our
added
item,
I
will
move
to
receive
and
file
this
written
report,
and
we
will
have
another
report
on
this
process
in
march
before
I
ask
the
clerks
to
receive
and
file.
Do
any
of
my
colleagues
have
any
questions
regarding
item
20.
B
Seeing
no
questions,
I
will
direct
the
clerk
to
file
that
report.
B
Now
we'll
proceed
with
item
with
the
item
recently
added
to
our
agenda,
which
will
be
referred
to
as
item
21.
B
And
if
any
of
my
colleagues
who
are
not
a
part
of
the
committee
have
joined,
feel,
free
and-
and
you
were
not
named
earlier-
feel
free
to
put
your
name
in
the
chat,
so
I
can
recognize
you
so
members
of
the
committee
and
to
my
colleagues
who
are
not
on
the
committee.
B
I
want
to
thank
you
for
joining
our
policy
and
government
oversight.
Committee
meeting
oh,
and
I
see
we
have
vice
president
palmisano
has
joined
our
conversation
as
well.
Thank
you
for
being
here.
We
are
yet
again
faced
with
the
pain
and
reckoning
that
comes
with
another
police
killing.
B
It
is
this
cycle
that
our
city
has
faced
for
many
years
preceding
my
time
on
the
council,
for
sending
many
of
our
time
on
the
council
and,
unfortunately,
for
our
new
colleagues
who
make
up
the
majority
of
our
body
now
are
learning
the
pain
of
being
in
this
cycle.
Barely
a
month
into
being
sworn
in,
much
debate
has
been
had
about
how
we
fix
our
public
safety
system,
but
about
how
we
keep
each
other
safe
in
minneapolis
and
despite
that
debate,
despite
how
tumultuous
that
debate
has
been.
This
keeps
happening.
B
B
With
that
I
want
to
introduce
our
first
presenters
attorney.
Rachel
moran
is
an
associate
professor
and
founder
of
the
criminal
and
juvenile
defense
clinic
at
the
university
of
st
thomas
school
of
law.
Moran
focuses
her
scholarship
on
issues
pertaining
to
police,
accountability,
policing
reform
and
public
access
to
records
of
police
misconduct.
B
She
has
also
provided
commentary
for
the
new
york
times
and
the
washington
post
and
cnn,
and
many
other
national
international
and
local
media
outlets
accompanying
attorney.
Rachel
moran
today
is
sarah
murtana,
a
third
year
student
and
member
of
the
community
justice
project
at
the
university
of
saint
thomas
school
of
law.
B
I
Thank
you
so
much
for
having
me
council,
member
ellison.
Thank
you
to
the
rest
of
the
council
members
for
being
here.
It's
our
pleasure
and
privilege,
although
it's
a
very
sad
reason,
we
are
here
talking
about
no
knock
warrants.
My
role
today
is
primarily
an
educational
one.
What
I'm
going
to
be
doing
is
talking
through
what
warrants
are
and
how
no
knock
warrants
contrast
to
the
regular
search
warrant
and
then
I'm
going
to
be
just
walking
the
group
through
the
three
changes
that
have
happened
in
the
past
15
months.
I
So
that's
what
I'll
be
doing
and
then
I'll
hand
it
over
to
ms
marta
to
talk
about
how
other
cities
have
our
states
have
handled
no
knock
warrant
issues
I'll
start
with
what
a
regular
search
warrant
is
by
law
in
minnesota
search
warrants:
authorize
police
to
enter
a
residence
between
what
we
refer
to
as
daylight
hours,
which
in
minnesota
is
currently
7
a.m
to
8
p.m.
They
cannot
enter
outside
those
hours.
They
are
required
to
knock
before
entering
the
residence
and
to
announce
their
presence
as
police
officers,
at
which
point
they
must
wait.
I
A
reasonable
period
of
time
before
entering
a
reasonable
period
of
time
is
usually
considered
about
30
seconds.
That
is,
those
are
all
requirements
of
regular
search
warrants.
A
no
knock
warrant
is
supposed
to
be
an
exception.
It
allows
the
police
to
enter
without
knocking,
sometimes
without
announcing
their
presence
and,
if
authorized
judicially,
to
enter
at
a
time
period.
That's
not
in
that
7
am
to
8
pm
window
no
knock
warrants.
I
They
first
really
made
their
entry
in
the
u.s
in
the
nixon
administration.
With
the
rise
of
the
war
on
drugs,
they
were
immediately
controversial
and
so
dangerous
that
they
were
almost
repealed
just
about
four
years
later.
The
authorization
for
no
knock
warrants,
because
so
many
controversies
had
arisen
as
a
result
of
use
of
those
warrants.
I
However,
they
have
made
their
way
into
usage
across
the
country
authorized
in
the
vast
majority
of
states,
as
well
as
at
the
federal
level.
They
are
dangerous
for
reasons.
We've,
unfortunately,
all
had
an
opportunity
to
confront
recently,
but
they
are
historically
dangerous.
Just
to
give
one
example
between
2010
to
2016
at
least
94
people
were
killed
in
the
united
states
as
a
result
of
no
knock
warrants,
they're
dangerous
for
residents
and
for
the
police
of
those
94.
Folks,
13
of
them
were
police
officers,
so
there,
because
it
allows
police
to
surprise
people
inside
the
residence.
I
They
have
been
authorized
by
law
in
minnesota
for
many
years
and
there
really
have
not
been
a
lot
of
policies
or
laws
specifying
exactly
how
no
knock
warrants
should
be
used
in
what
the
requirements
are
or
whether
there
are
limitations.
I
So
I
just
want
to
walk
the
council
through
three
that
have
come
up
in
the
past
roughly
15
months,
the
killing
of
brianna
taylor
in
louisville
kentucky
in
the
spring
2020,
followed
by
the
murder
of
george
floyd,
as
you
all
know,
led
minneapolis
and
many
other
cities
to
re-evaluate
how
policing
happens
and
brianna
taylor's
death.
I
think,
is
responsible
for
causing
many
cities,
including
minneapolis,
to
re-evaluate
their
use
of
no
knock
warrants.
I
In
november
2020
mayor
frye
announced
a
new
policy
regulating
minneapolis
police
department's
use
of
no
knock
warrants.
Many
people
have
referred
to
this
as
a
ban
on
no
knock
warrants
at
times
mayor
frye's
campaign
personnel.
It
themselves
referred
to
this
as
a
ban
on
no
knock
warrants.
I
do
want
to
make
clear
this
was
not
a
ban
on
no
knock
warrants.
I
It,
in
fact,
did
not
affect
the
knock
requirement
at
all.
What
mayor,
fry's
november
2020
policy
did
was
require
minneapolis
police
in
most
situations
to
announce
their
presence
before
crossing
the
threshold
into
a
residence,
so
they
could
enter.
They
could
open
the
residence
without
knocking,
but
they
were
then
required
to
announce
their
presence
before
crossing
the
threshold,
and
we
see
this.
Unfortunately,
we
see
this
exact
example
playing
out
in
the
body
camera
footage
of
the
shooting
of
amir
loch.
I
I
I
Then
we
have
the
next
development
in
no
knock
warrants
in
minnesota.
Really
was
the
minnesota
legislature's
passage
of
a
statewide
law
that
governs
not
only
minneapolis
but
all
other
jurisdictions
in
minnesota,
and
that
was
never
intended
to
be
a
ban
on
no
knock
warrants,
but
it
was
intended
to
be
a
limitation.
I
So
what
that
law
does
is
that
it
requires
police
who
are
requesting
a
no
knock
warrant
from
a
judge
to
specify
why
they
are
quote
unable
to
ask
to
execute
the
search
or
the
arrest
without
the
no
knack
warrant,
and
also
to
explain
if
they've
gone,
to
investigative
efforts
to
pers
to
obtain
what
they're
searching
for
through
other
means.
That
key
word
is
unable
the
police
have
the
burden
of
showing
that
they
are
unable
to
access
the
apartment
or
to
obtain
the
evidence
or
person
they're
seeking
without
the
no
knack
warrant.
I
They're
also
required
to
explain
why
they
can't
do
this
between
7
a.m
and
8
p.m,
so
that
law
applies
statewide,
including
minneapolis,
but
it
does
not
ban
use
of
no
knock
warrants.
It's
simply
intended
to
limit
their
effect
and
then.
Lastly,
I
want
to
briefly
mention
mayor
fry's
announcement
from
this
past
friday,
which
many
folks
have
referred
to
as
a
moratorium,
including,
I
believe,
that's
his
language,
a
moratorium
on
use
of
no
knock
warrants
in
minneapolis.
I
That
is
also
not
a
ban.
It
is
an
announcement
that
they
are.
They
will
not
be
using
them,
but
there
is
an
exception
which,
which
still
allows
the
police
to
use
them.
If
there
is
imminent
and
imminent
harm
exception.
I
If
the
police
believe
that
there
would
be
imminent
harm
except
for
use
of
the
no
knack
warrant,
the
chief
must
sign
off
on
it,
and
then
they
can
request
that
warrant.
So,
even
today
what
many
media
outlets
are
reporting
to
and
what
the
mayor
is
referring
to
as
a
moratorium
is
not
in
fact
a
total
ban.
I
The
last
thing
I'll
say
before
I
turn
it
over
to
ms
marta-
is
simply
that
if
you
look
at
the
numbers
of
how
often
minneapolis
police
have
been
using
no
knock
horns
before
and
after
that
november,
2020
purported
ban
in
the
year
in
november
of
2020,
the
city
reported
that
they'd
been
averaging
about
139
no
knock
warrants
per
year
in
the
first
10
months.
After
that
what
was
referred
to
as
a
ban.
The
city
reported
10
months
later,
that
it
had
requested
90
no
not
warrants,
and
the
star
tribune
reported
this
past
saturday.
I
I
haven't
not
been
able
to
verify
this,
but
the
star
tribune
reported
that
in
january
of
2022
alone,
the
minneapolis
police
had
requested
13
no
knock
warrants,
so
the
numbers
we're
looking
at
do
not
tell
a
story
of
a
significant
reduction
in
the
use
of
minneapolis
police's.
No
knock
warrants
with
that.
I'll
turn
it
over
to
ms
murtada
to
talk
about
what
other
cities
have
done.
J
Perfect,
thank
you
so,
just
as
quickly
as
no
knock
warrants
started,
we're
also
seeing
them
banned,
and
so
we
have
statewide
bands
such
as
oregon
florida
and
virginia.
We
have
city-wide
bands
such
as
louisville
san
antonio
memphis,
and
then
we
also
have
cities
like
saint
paul
who
haven't
created
an
affirmative
ban,
but
they
also
haven't
executed
a
no
knock
warrant
in
20
since
2016,
and
so
I
want
to
point
out
a
few
things
between
minneapolis
and
st
paul.
First,
I
want
to
talk
about
homicide
clearance
rate.
J
So
that's
the
percentage
of
homicide
investigations
that
are
solved
in
2020,
the
minneapolis
clearance
rate
was
37
in
saint
paul.
It
was
91,
neither
city
has
had
an
officer
killed
by
violence
in
17
years
and
so
we're
looking
at
these
two
cities,
one
that
uses
no
knock
warrants,
one
that
doesn't
and
we're
not
seeing
any
difference
in
officer
safety
and
we're
also
not
seeing
that
no
knock
warrants
create
a
higher
clearance
rate
or
solve
more
crimes.
J
And
so,
if
a
city
like
minneapolis,
wanted
to
institute
a
ban,
what
we
could
do
is
incorporate
different,
effective
portions
of
bans,
we've
seen
in
other
jurisdictions,
and
so
there's
five
key
pieces
to
an
effective
ban.
First
warrants
need
to
be
happening
during
the
day
time,
just
as
rachel
moran
said,
7
am
to
8
pm
during
daylight
hours.
Officers
need
to
knock
before
entering
the
threshold
into
a
house.
They
need
to
announce
repeatedly
and
clearly
their
presence
in
law
enforcement.
J
I
J
See
transparency
in
two
prongs:
first,
ensuring
that
body
camera
footage
is
always
on
when
police
officers
are
executing
a
warrant,
but
then
also
monthly
record
keeping
regarding
warrants
and
so
right
now
the
state
bill
requires
that
different
jurisdictions
report
the
number
of
no
knock
warrants.
However,
this
is
annually.
We
need
to
be
seeing
this
monthly,
because,
right
now
we
don't
know
how
many
cases
are
like
a
near
lock.
J
We
don't
know
how
many
people
are
impacted
or
even
killed
by
no
knock
warrants,
because
there's
no
transparency
and
so
the
type
of
record
keeping
that
could
be
helpful
is
first,
the
number
of
unannounced
entries
which,
if
no
knock
warrants
are
banned,
should
always
be
zero.
The
number
of
announced
warrants
the
offenses
on
the
warrants
summary
data
of
the
demographics
and
locations,
because
no
knock
wants
to
disproportionately
affect
people
of
color
and
then
the
injuries
and
fatalities
related
to
warrants.
J
We
see
cases
like
amir
lock
who
was
killed
during
the
execution
of
no
knock
warrant.
We
see
cases
such
as
officer
matthew,
ridner,
a
police
officer
killed
during
the
execution
of
a
no
knock
warrant,
and
there
needs
to
be
more
transparency
and
then
also
confirmation
that
footage
exists.
Body
cam
footage
exists
even
if
it
isn't
given
to
the
public
right
away,
and
we
need
to
be
seeing
this
monthly.
So
we're
not
stuck
in
a
situation
like
we
are
now
where
we
don't
know,
we
don't
have
transparent
data
despite
the
statewide
limit
on
donophones.
J
I
do
want
to
point
out
too
that
a
ban
on
no
knock
warrants
does
not
affect
active
hostage
situations,
and
it
also
does
not
affect
hot
pursuits.
If
officers
are
chasing
someone
actively
pursuing
someone
who
then
enters
a
home
banning
no
knock
warrants
has
no
impact,
but
ensuring
that
warrants
are
executed
during
the
daytime
officers,
announce
repeatedly
and
clearly
officers,
knock
officers
wait,
and
then
we
also
see
reporting
that
will
make
sure
that
every
minnesotan
has
an
opportunity
to
answer
the
door.
B
Thank
you
both
for
your
presentations
wow.
I
I
feel,
like
I'm
learning
a
lot.
I
know
my
colleagues
are
probably
in
the
same
position.
I
will
welcome
my
colleagues
to
ask
questions
and
to
put
themselves
in
cue
and
again
I
want
to
thank
my
presenters
and
and
say
we're
gonna
take
about
maybe
five
to
ten
minutes
to
field
questions
from
from
my
colleagues.
Thank
you,
council
president
jenkins,.
F
Thank
you,
chair
ellison.
First
of
all,
I
want
to
just
ask
sarah:
is
not
your
a
part
of
your
name
or
because
it's
it's
showing
up
on
your
screen?
Is
sarah
murtada
hyphen
knock.
J
Gotcha,
I
know
sarah
murtada
is
my
name.
I
am
part
of
the
community
justice
project
here
at
st
thomas
and
and
part
of
knock
first
minnesota
trying
to
ban
no
knock
warrants
in
minneapolis
and
minnesota.
So
I.
F
Think
that's
it
yeah.
It
just
shows
up
on
my
screen
as
sarah
murtada
hyphen.
Not.
I
thought
I
just
thought.
Maybe
if
that
was
your
name,
it
would
be
quite
serendipitous.
I
guess
yes,
so
I
have
a
really
direct
question.
You
named,
I
think,
four
items
that
are
key
elements
in
other
cities.
Responses
arrest
warrants
issued
during
daytime
hours,
seven
to
eight
need
to
wait.
30
seconds
announced
loudly
clearly
and
repeatedly.
J
Yes,
so
daytime
knock
announce
wait.
The
last
one
I
had
was
reporting
so
making
sure
we
have
transparency
as
to
the
number
and
then
other
information
about
no
knock
warrants.
F
Thank
you,
ms
martin,
and
thank
you
both
for
the
presentations
today
as
council
member
as
chair
ellison
said,
I
mean
very.
B
Thank
you,
council
president.
I
put
myself
in
queue
just
to
ask
a
few
questions.
One
was
that
one
question
was
if
these
policies
were
immediately
controversial
back
when
they
were
first
implemented,
and
you
mentioned
that
a
number
of
of
cities
and
states
have
banned
them
outright.
Is
this
something
that
minneapolis
could
do
and
do
you
know
of
any
state
if
the
state
policy
would
restrict
us
from
having
an
outright
ban.
I
I
can
answer
the
last
question,
then
I'll
leave
it
to
sarah
to
field
the
earlier
ones,
but
the
state
policy
would
not
prevent
minneapolis
from
having
an
outright
ban.
You
can
think
of
the
state
law
as
the
floor.
You
have
to
do
at
least
this
what
the
state
law
requires,
but
minneapolis
can
certainly
take
more
steps
than
the
state
law
imposes.
J
Sure
and
you,
you
might
have
to
ask
your
question
again:
if
I'm
hearing
your
right,
we're
seeing
other
cities
who
ban
know
knock
warrants,
we
have
complete
bans
in
quite
a
few
cities.
I
mean
memphis
santa
fe,
indianapolis
louisville
and
they
they
appear
to
have
been
successful.
So
we're
seeing
this
widespread
around
the
country.
B
Thank
you
and
the
those
five
components
like
just
to
hear
them
listed
so
simple,
so
so
legible,
and
I
really
want
to
thank
you
for
for
providing
us
with
that.
My
next,
my
other
question
was
from
the
state's
policy
so
far,
at
least
in
your
research.
Have
we
seen
a
slow?
B
I
know
we've
talked
about
how
we
haven't
really
seen
a
slow
in
the
city
of
minneapolis
with
regards
to
requests
for
no
knocks
or
or
the
execution
of
them,
but
have
we
seen
a
slow
statewide
with
the
with
the
state's
policy
implement
implementation.
J
Sure
I
I
can
address
this
one,
so
the
issue
with
the
state
policy
is:
it
only
requires
the
data
about
no
knock
warrants
to
be
provided
annually,
and
so
this
was
passed
in
august
of
2021,
and
so
we
might
not
get
data
until
august
of
2022,
and
so
we
don't
know
what
that
data
is.
We
don't
know
how
many
cases
like
a
mere
locks
have
happened,
and
at
this
point
we're
just
sitting
and
waiting
for
that.
Next
year's
data.
B
Thank
you,
and
I
think
you
said
that,
but
I
but
I
missed
it.
So
thank
you
for
reiterating
that
council,
member
councilmember
payne.
G
You
chair
ellison,
and
thank
you
for
hosting
this,
and
thank
you
for
your
presentation.
This
has
been
really
helpful
to
think
through
so
much
of
the
challenges
we're
going
through
right
now
and
as
I'm
kind
of
grounding
myself
in
the
moment
and
reviewing
past
policies
and
current
policies,
one
of
the
things
that
keeps
on
coming
up
are
the
exceptions
to
these
policies,
and
you
know,
one
of
the
exceptions
is
around
this
concept
of
exigent
circumstances.
I
Sure
I
can
field
this
question
there
are:
there
are
standards
in
the
law
for
what
are
deemed
accident
circumstances.
You
can
think
of
an
emergency
where
something
it
could
be.
It
could
be
evidence
that
could
be
destroyed.
It
could
be
somebody
who's
about
to
flee.
Those
are
examples
of
exigent
circumstances.
I
Unfortunately,
it
is
a
bit
of
a
case-by-case
analysis
and
really
the
the
concern
about
an
exception.
Like
exigent
circumstances.
Is
that
we're
leaving
it
to
the
police
to
make
that
decision
in
the
moment
and
then
maybe
for
a
judge
to
look
at
it
after
the
fact?
Much
later,
if,
for
example,
a
criminal
case
results
and
the
criminal
defense
lawyer
is
saying
that
this
was
not
an
appropriate
use
of
the
exigent
circumstances
exception,
but
really
we
largely
defer
to
law
enforcement
to
make
the
decision
in
the
moment
and
then
occasionally
that
gets
examined
closely
later.
B
Thank
you,
councilmember
payne
I'll,
wait
one
moment
to
see
if
there's
any
last,
if
there's
a
last
question
from
any
of
my
colleagues.
B
While
I
wait
I'll
just
say
that
this
has
been
incredibly
informative
and
and
I'll
I'll
wait
for
my
wrap
up,
because
I
I
see
that
we
have
council
member
osman
jumping
into
the
queue
with
a
question
so
councilmember
osmond,
please.
K
I
think
it's
been
a
very
tough
moment
for
everyone
and
thank
you
for
that
presentation.
The
question
is
directly
to.
K
The
clerk
or
just
so
this
is
a
legislative
question,
and
it's
just
a
question
that
I
have
on
your
beginning,
council,
member
allison.
You
say
that
council
doesn't
have
a
power
to
change
police
practice.
I
in
city
of
minneapolis,
in
my
question,
right
now
to
the
clerk
we
see
how
danger
this
practice
is.
We
have
seen
the
data
we
heard
the
presentation
and
is
there
anything
the
console
can
do
if
that
is
amendment.
K
B
Mr
clerk
you're
happy
to
give
a
perspective.
I
first
I
want
to
say
that
I
appreciate
the
question
from
my
colleague,
councilmember
osman,
and
I
think
that
we-
those
are
the
exact
kind
of
questions
we
need
to
be
discussing.
B
You
know
we
have
a
series
of
presenters
who
are
here
to
offer
their
expertise
and
insights
so
that
we
may
learn
exactly
what
we
need
to
know
on
as
we're
considering
how
we
act
next,
whether
that
be
passing
our
own
policy
and
and
sort
of
vetting
sort
of
litigating
that
question
one
and
in
our
authority
or
whether
that
be
in
collaboration
with
the
mayor.
But
I
think
it's
the
exact
kind
of
question.
We
need
to
be
asking
just
not
in
this
platform,
and
so
I'm
gonna.
B
I
I
think
I'm
gonna
leave
it
there,
but
thank
you
councilmember
osmond,
to
our
presenters.
I
wanna.
Thank
you.
I
think
that's
the
end
of
our
questions.
For
now.
B
I
think
you've
left
us
with
a
lot
of
really
important
information
that
we
did
not
have
before,
and
you
know
if
nothing
else,
the
the
the
side-by-side
comparison
for
some
of
the
results
that
we've
seen
between
between
saint
paul
and
our
city
are
things
for
us
to
think
long
and
hard
about,
and
we
need
to
close
the
gap
there
and
if
our
practices
aren't
helping
us,
then
I
think
it's
you
know,
you
know,
that's
exactly
why
we're
having
this
discussion.
B
So
I
want
to
thank
you
for
highlighting
that
and
putting
that
before
this
council
for
our
consideration,
and
with
that
you
know,
you
guys
are
where
I
think
we're
gonna
move
to
the
next
presentation.
Thank
you.
So
much
all
right.
Colleagues,
I
hope
you
learned
a
lot
from
our
from
our
first
presenters
and
thank
you
for
your
questions
and
your
comments
and
your
insights.
B
Next,
we,
we
will
be
joined
by
renowned
city,
civil
rights
attorney,
benjamin
crump
and
his
co-counsels
antonio
romanucci
and
jeff
storms
attorney
crump,
while
most
known
for
his
relentless
fight
against
injustice
mo
also
frequently
occupies
the
unfortunate
position
of
representing
families
who
have
experienced
an
immeasurable
loss.
B
At
a
time
where
we
stand
to
learn
a
great
deal
and
at
a
time
where
we
need
to
learn
a
great
deal
about
how
to
prevent
this
from
happening
again
in
the
future,
and
so
with
that,
I
want
to
welcome
attorney
ben
crump
and
his
co-counsels
antonio
romanucci
and
jeff
storms.
Gentlemen,
you
have
the
floor
and
thank
you
for
being
here.
L
L
L
L
Kentucky
state
representative
attica,
scott,
the
sponsor
of
brianna's
law,
which
would
ban
no,
not
search
warrants.
Statewide,
said
that
the
findings
are
another
example
of
over-policing
in
louisville's.
Black
communities,
policing
has
historically
and
continues
to
be
racially
disparate,
she
said
is
not
mental.
It's
not
emotional.
L
He
writes
the
danger
of
no
knock
search
warrants
is
best
illustrated
by
a
hypothetical
picture.
This
undercover
of
complete
darkness
police
officers,
dressed
in
dark
tactical
gear
and
armed
with
military-grade
weapons,
execute
a
no-knock
search
warrant
by
smashing
in
the
front
door
of
a
private
residence
and
then
charge
in
with
guns
raised
the
homeowner
awakened
from
his
slumber,
frightened
and
believing
the
intruders
of
burglaries
or
people
wishing
to
harm
his
family
retrieves
a
weapon
and
confronts
the
intruders.
L
L
L
L
More
than
one-third
were
unsuccessful.
He
had
put
unsuspecting
residents
at
very
high
risk
for
injury
or
death
high
risk
low
reward.
That
is
what
no
not
once
yield
all
police
had
to
do.
To
prevent.
This
tragedy
was
to
knock
and
announce
their
presence
to
carry
out
their
duties
in
a
safe,
professional
manner.
Honoring
the
fourth
amendment's
guarantee
that
we
should
be
protected
from
unreasonable
searches
and
seizures.
L
L
M
If
I
may
proceed,
councilman
ellison.
M
Thank
you
so
much
and
good
afternoon
everybody,
my
name
is
antonio
romanucci,
I'm
an
attorney,
I'm
based
out
of
chicago
illinois,
and
I,
along
with
ben
crump
and
jeff
storms,
have
handled
civil
rights
cases
all
over
the
country.
You
know.
My
purpose
here
is
to
add
a
little
bit
more
context
and
commentary
to
mr
crump's
words
about
what
he
said
about
no
knock
warrants
and
and
how
they
misalign
and
how
they
affect
not
only
the
communities
in
america,
but
it's
just,
but
specifically
the
black
communities.
M
So
if
I
can
be
very
direct,
no
knock
warrants
are
one
of
the
most
intrusive
form
of
government
that
our
communities
can
experience
and
those
words
should
weigh
very
heavily.
As
I
just
spoke
them.
It
is
one
of
the
most
intrusive
forms
of
government
that
our
communities
can
experience
period.
M
They
can
result
in
needless
death
and
psychological
traumas
communities
that
experience
no
knock
warrants
sometimes
refer
to
these
as
executions,
because
needless
deaths
occur
and
as
you
can
see,
if
that
happens,
the
with
the
the
rift
widens
between
communities
and
police
harvard's
chance
school
of
public
health
released
a
study
in
2020
that
stated,
black
americans
are
three
times
more
likely
than
white
americans
to
be
killed
by
police
and
in
some
urban
areas.
That
number
is
as
high
as
six
and
a
half
times.
M
So
let
that
soak
in
six
and
a
half
times
more
likely
for
a
black
person
to
be
killed
by
police
in
some
urban
areas
than
others.
We
need
policies
in
urban
policing
to
support
the
sanctity
of
life.
All
life,
regardless
of
color,
eliminating
or
meaningfully
reducing
the
use
of
no
knock
warrants
is
one
important
step
in
in
that
direction,
and
I'll
talk
about
that
a
little
bit
further.
M
The
federal
government
does
not
require
reporting,
and
there
is
no
independent
third
party
gathering
and
analyzing
of
this
data
in
terms
of
the
reasons
and
the
basis
to
to
articulate
the
dangerous
circumstances
that
no
knock
warrants
require,
and
so
what
happens
is
that
it
affects
the
demographics
that
we
spoke
of
earlier.
It
affects
mostly
the
black
marginalized
and
poorer
communities
and
they're
the
ones
who
suffer
the
casualties
in
these
raids.
M
M
In
most
cases,
these
are
issued
at
a
judge's
discretion
based
on
what
they
believe
is
a
reasonable
suspicion
from
what
is
presented
before
them
by
reporting
officers
or
detectives,
either
orally
or
in
the
form
of
an
affidavit
when
it's
presented,
so
they
rely
on
what
is
presented
to
them
by
an
officer
very
typically
so.
Data
from
cities
like
denver,
for
example
in
little
rock
arkansas,
show
the
vast
majority
of
these
requests
are
approved
by
judges
because
they
rely
on
what's
put
in
front
of
them
or
from
the
words
that
they
hear
now.
M
M
M
Now.
Why
is
this
so
important
to
municipalities,
because
it's
these
types
of
unannounced
raids,
raids
that
go
wrong?
That
creates
what's
called
monell
liability
and
I'm
sure
this
city
council
has
heard
what
monel
liability
is
it's
the
policies
and
practices
of
police
departments
that
they
which
they
create
legal
responsibility,
but
also
financial
responsibility
and
community
relations
challenges
when
monel
practices
are
violated.
B
So
attorney
romanucci.
I
really
apologize
to
to
to
cut
you
up.
I
I
just
wanted
to
jump
in
and
say
you
know,
I'm
I'm
speaking
with
some
of
the
attorney
the
city
attorneys
and
they
they're
asking
that
we
not
talk
about
monel
in
on
this
platform.
If
that's
okay,
understood.
M
Thank
you
so
much,
and
I
was
only
speaking
about
monel
in
general
terms,
just
so
we're
clear,
but
I
appreciate
the
clarification
councilman.
Thank
you
so
much
so
I
think
the
good
news
here
is
that
there
are
steps
that
can
be
taken
to
reduce
the
risk
and
show
greater
respect
for
the
sanctity
of
life
and
that's
for
municipalities
across
the
country
to
eliminate
or
severely
restrict
the
use
of
no
knock
warrants.
There
can
be
an
effective
ban
placed
upon
them
and
this
intrusive
form
of
policing
in
every
state
and
across
the
country.
M
M
B
N
Thank
you
councilman,
as
mentioned,
I'm
attorney
jeff
storms,
and
I
here,
along
with
my
co-counsel
attorneys
ben
crump
and
tony
romonucci,
who
want
to
thank
you
all
for
inviting
us
today.
N
I
am
a
partner
at
the
minneapolis
law,
firm
of
newmark
storms
and
dorac,
either
resided
or
lived
or
maintained
my
business
in
minneapolis
for
the
past
20
years,
and
that's
the
big
reason
that
I'm
here
today
to
do
whatever
small
part
I
can
to
ensure
that
our
entire
community
can
feel
secure
in
their
persons
and
property,
not
only
as
a
matter
of
constitutional
rights
but
as
a
matter
of
basic
human
and
natural
rights.
I
mean
simply
our
communities
of
color
can't
live
and
thrive
here
if
they
can't
sleep
here
without
fear.
N
So
what
I
wanted
to
address
and
just
big
picture-
and
I
understand
that
we're
not
looking
for
any
commentary
on
monel
and-
and
I
am
going
last
so
we've
obviously
touched
on
a
number
of
big
picture
issues
related
to
no
knock
warrants.
But
I
generally
just
wanted
to
address
big
picture
of
what
can
happen
if
a
city
doesn't
make
necessary
changes
to
its
policing
policies,
and
I
think
it's
important
to
implore
upon
everyone
that
half
measures
have
really
gotten
cities
nowhere
across
the
country.
N
So
when
a
city
does
not
put
the
policies
and
practices
into
place
and
adequately
police
its
own
police
force,
one
of
the
resulting
effects
that
has
happened
elsewhere
in
the
country
is
the
appointment
of
a
federal
monitor.
N
We
know
that
minneapolis
is
presently
in
the
middle
of
the
pattern
and
practice
investigation
by
the
department
of
justice.
There
was
recently
a
memo
sent
out
by
united
states
attorney
general
merrick
garland
on
september
13
2001.
Regarding
these
monitors
and
attorney
general
garland
wrote.
N
Aside
from
a
federal
monitorship,
there
is
also
the
potential
of
a
receiver
to
be
appointed
as
part
of
any
private
federal
civil
rights.
Lawsuits
and
a
receiver
would
be
someone
appointed
by
a
federal
court
who
would
have
complete
supervisory
control
over
the
department
and
that
person
would
report
directly
to
a
federal
judge
and
for
an
example.
The
city
of
minneapolis
need
only
look
to
the
city
of
oakland
california
to
study
what
the
past
two
decades
of
the
city
of
oakland
has
operated
under
in
terms
of
federal
monitoring.
B
I
want
to
thank
all
three
of
you
for
your
perspectives
for
being
here.
I
know
we're
not
in
a
position
to
ask
each
other
questions,
but
I
just
want
to
highlight
that
you
all
have
been
you
guys
have
experience
in
the
field,
to
say
the
least
when
it
comes
to
dealing
with
these
issues
and
the
ramifications
and
and
human
consequences.
B
And
so
while
we
can't
take
questions,
I
I
will
invite
my
colleagues
to
give
any
sort
of
reflections
or
or
to
just
address
our
guesses
before
we
wrap
up,
and
so
any
comments
or
reflections
from
my
colleagues.
B
I'm
not
seeing
anyone
anyone
hop
in
the
queue,
but
I
just
want
to
thank
you
attorney
ben
crump,
attorney,
tony
romanucci
and
and
and
attorney
jeff
storms,
and
I
do
see
that
we
now
have
the
council
president
hopping
in
queue.
So
council,
president
jenkins,.
F
Yeah,
thank
you,
chair
ellison,
and
I
I
just
wanted
to
express
my
gratitude
to
you
for
convening
this
really
critical
conversation.
F
F
In
this
conversation
banning
permanently
no
not
warrants
in
the
city
of
minneapolis
and
and
then
we
can
work
on
the
state
of
minnesota
and
and
other
reforms
that
we
know
need
to
take
place
to
prevent
these
kinds
of.
F
Traumatic
events
that
continuously
occur
in
our
city
and
all
around
the
country,
as
mr
crump
and
and
mr
romanucci
have
have
discussed,
express
my
gratitude
to
all
of
them
for
for
coming
today,
taking
time
out
of
their
really
busy
schedules
to
to
share
with
this
body
the
unfortunate
research
that
all
of
the
people
have
had
to
to
do
around
no
knock
warrants
and
the
fact
that
they
really
are
disproportionately
impacting
the
lives
of
of
black
folks
in
in
our
country,
and
certainly
here
in
minneapolis.
F
So
my
gratitude
and
thanks.
I
think
we
have
learned
a
lot
a
great
deal
and
you
know
I
want
to
acknowledge
to
a
person
who
has
continuously
tided
the
minneapolis
city
council,
particularly
the
public
safety
committee,
to
to
try
and
and
learn
from
these
mistakes
and
mr
turchik,
I
will
just
say
this
is
the
first
step
in
that
direction,
and
we
must
continue
to
learn
from
these
moments
and
and
not
only
for
our
educational,
but
to
we.
F
B
Thank
you
council,
president
jenkins,
with
that
I'll
thank
our
presenters
and
we
will
move
to
a
break
I
just
before
we
jump
into
a
break.
I
will
say
we
have
heard
from
we
have
heard
from
professor
rachel,
moran
and-
and
we
have
heard
from
from
attorney
ben
crump
and
attorney
tony
romanucci
and
attorney
jeff,
storms
and
and
the
information
that
we've
represented
today.
B
I
I
hope
is
not
just
for
our
educational
purposes,
but
that
we
take
seriously
the
kind
of
scholarship
that
we're
being
exposed
to
that
we're,
taking
seriously
the
lessons
that
we're
hearing
from
people
who
have
experience
again
in
this
field
to
to
to
decide
how
we're
going
to
move
forward
and
make
changes
in
the
future.
B
I
have
also
invited
mayor
jacob
fry
to
come
and
have
a
conversation
and
answer
questions
from
the
council,
but
he
is
not
quite
ready
yet,
and
so
I'm
going
to
ask
the
council
to
take
a
five-minute
break.
We
will
return
at
2,
38
and
and,
and
hopefully
the
mayor
is
able
to
join
us
at
that
time.
So
again,
thank
you
to
all
of
our
presenters
and-
and
I
will
see
all
of
my
colleagues
back
in
five
minutes.
B
B
Colleagues,
I'm
gonna
check
with
the
clerks
to
make
sure
that
we
are
ready
to
go
and
that
we
have
our
next
presentation
ready
clerk.
Do
you
know
the
status
of
that.
O
Mr
chair,
I
just
got
off
the
email,
I
think
we're
still
having
some
technical
issues
as
folks
on
this
call
know.
We've
had
some
technology
issues
today,
and
so
I
know
that
the
mayor
is
in
the
process
of
logging
into
the
office
with
apologies.
O
Hopefully
you'll
see
him
pop
up
into
the
queue
any
moment
now
and
if
not,
I
will
come
back
on
and
let
you
know
momentarily
where
we
are
with
that.
Thank
you
so
much.
Thank
you.
O
Mr
chair,
it's
casey
and
I
believe
that
the
mayor
has
finally
that
technology
has
worked.
I
think
he's
with
us.
I
see
him
might
want
to
just
do
a
sound
check
to
make
sure
we've
got
the
systems
fully
operating.
I
know,
as
I
said,
we've
all
had
some
problems
today,
but
otherwise
I
think
we're
ready
to
proceed
with
the
rest
of
the
agenda.
Thank
you
check,
check,
check.
B
Right,
thank
you,
colleagues.
Yes,
we
are.
We
are
back
and
I
want
to
start
the
break
by
first
thanking
professor
rachel
moran
for
her
presentation,
along
with
sarah
murtada,
who
gave
us
excellent
data
for
us
to
consider-
and
I
want
to
thank
them
for
their
scholarship
and
research.
B
I
want
to
thank
ben
vancrump
and
antonio
romanucci
and
jeff
storms
for
their
presentation,
and
I
hope
that
we
certainly
learned
a
lot
from
what
we've
what
we've
seen
today
and
heard
today.
Lastly,
in
today's
presentation
we
will
be
joined
by
our
mayor
mayor,
jacob
fry.
B
As
I
stated
earlier,
the
council
is
not
empowered
to
create
or
pass
police
policy
that
power
lies
with
the
mayor
and
typically,
our
understanding
of
the
policy
would
be
shaped
by
the
council's
process,
because
police
policy
is
so
unique
within
this
institution,
I
felt
it
was
appropriate
to
bring
our
chief
executive
to
answer
questions
about
how
we
got
here
and
where
we
go
from
here.
I
will
also.
B
B
The
mayor
is
not
compelled
to
come
before
council.
His
presence
is
voluntary
and
for
the
purposes
of
accountability
and
transparency,
and
we
thank
him
for
joining
us
today,
and
so
with
that.
Mr
mayor
I'll,
allow
you
a
brief,
introduction
or
or
a
few
words
before
we
head
into
questions.
P
Well,
thank
you,
mr
chair
and
council
members,
for
the
opportunity
to
appear
before
you
today.
Thank
you
also
for
your
willingness
to
wrestle
with
these
really
difficult
questions
and
also,
at
times
receive
really
difficult
answers.
I
I
do
want
to
start
with
one
piece
that
I
think
is
oftentimes
missed,
which
is
that
in
making
these
policies,
we
have
a
sacred
and
extremely
important
duty
to
honor
the
sanctity
of
life.
P
P
Everyone
and
it
shouldn't,
take
a
tragedy
to
bring
us
to
this
point,
and
so
I'm
hopeful
that
today
brings
people
together
around
the
conviction
that
we
we
have
to
do
better
and
we
will
do
better,
and
I
also
appreciate
the
the
need
for
clarity
around
these
policies
and
how
they've
been
carried
out
not
just
for
this
body
but
for
the
entire
community
as
well,
and
I'd
also
be
happy
to
discuss
both
the
moratorium
as
well
as
previous
policies
that
have
been
in
place.
P
In
addition
to
the
plan
to
reshape
the
existing
policy
and
the
work
of
head
along
with
dr
p
kraska
as
well
as
deray,
mckesson,
again
appreciate
your
providing
an
opportunity
for
me
to
be
here
today
and
mr
chair
I'll
turn.
It
back
to
you.
B
Thank
you
so
much
for
being
here.
I
know
that
I
certainly
received
a
lot
of
questions
from
colleagues.
We
did
our
best
to
send
you
some
of
those
questions,
and
so
now
I
will
so
that
you
can
be.
You
know,
prepared
for
what
people
might
ask.
B
G
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
and
thank
you
mayor.
I
I'm
really
grateful
for
the
presentation
this
morning,
because
you
know
a
lot
of
the
issues
around
policing
and
police
reform.
Definitely
hang
on
not
just
our
capacity
to
make
policy
here
at
the
city,
whether
as
council
or
as
the
mayor,
but
also
legislation.
So
it
was
really
good
to
have
this
clarifying
information
that
we
are
not
preempted
by
state
statute
to
address
no
knock
warrants.
G
But
I
was
looking
at
the
state
statute
and
I
was
just
curious
if
there
was
any
kind
of
consistency
or
commonality
behind
the
approvals
of
these
warrants
and
I'm
referencing
the
specific
language,
language
and
state
statute,
where
the
request
to
a
judge
needs
to
also
include
why
peace
officers
are
seeking
the
use
of
no
not
country
and
are
unable
to
detain
the
suspect
or
search
the
residents
through
the
use
of
a
no
knock
announced
foreign.
And
so
I'm
just
curious.
G
Is
that
a
relatively
routine
thing?
That
or
is
it
on
a
case-by-case
basis
that
that
determination
is
made
to
the
judge
and
if
any
of
those
determinations
rise
to
the
mayor's
office
or
are
those
strictly
handled?
At
a
routine
basis,
at
the
level
of
the
chief,
if
that
question
makes
sense,.
P
Yeah,
it
does
thank
you
to
mr
chair
councilmember
payne.
I
do
appreciate
the
question
so
the
way
that
this
would
generally
work-
and
yes,
this
is,
for
the
most
part
outside
of
the
purview
in
terms
of
the
the
issuance
and
the
the
granting
of
the
warrant
itself,
that
lies
within
the
judiciary
and
with
the
courts.
P
The
court
or
the
judge
will
review
the
facts
from
within
a
warrant.
A
warrant
that
is
in
fact
requested
warrants
could
be
requested
in
a
no
knock,
no
announce
form
or
a
knock
and
announce
form.
Those
are,
for
the
most
part,
the
two
primary
areas
where
law
enforcement
can
request
a
search
in
some
form.
It
is
up
to
the
court
and
the
judge
themselves
as
to
whether
they
understand
the
requisite
information
and
the
the
the
requisite
danger
to
necessitate
a
warrant
in
the
first
place.
So
that
would
be
their
determination.
P
H
P
So
let
me
go
back
even
a
little
bit
further
and
thank
you,
council,
member
koski
and
mr
chair
again
so,
prior
to
november
of
2020,
there
was
no.
There
wasn't
a
no
knock,
slash,
no
announced
warrant
policy
in
the
city
of
minneapolis.
P
P
Our
policy
reform
then
required
officers
to
announce
their
presence
and
their
purpose
prior
to
entry
when
serving
any
type
of
warrants,
including
a
no
knock
ward.
So
in
other
words,
in
the
november
2020
policy,
it
ended
the
practice
of
entering
unannounced
while
serving
no
knock
warrants
and
that
again
would
be
barred,
barring
circumstances
that
could
potentially
be
dangerous
where
there
was
imminent
threat
to
the
public
or
an
individual.
P
So
that
has
been
the
policy
prior
to
the
moratorium
that
was
put
in
place
now
the
moratorium,
which
was
put
in
place,
I
believe
on
friday
that
then
additionally
prevents
the
requesting
of
a
no
knock
no
announce
warrant.
P
So
not
only
does
it
it,
it
prohibit
or
restrict
facets
of
the
execution
of
the
warrant,
but
what
it
does
is
prevent
the
underlying
warrant
from
being
requested,
and
I
have
to
note
that,
even
with
this
moratorium
in
place,
there
may
be
extremely
dangerous
circumstances
where
an
officer
still
can
enter
without
an
announcement.
H
Okay,
thank
you
so
is
so
when
we
talk
about
those
extreme
circumstances,
are
those
can
you
help
us
define
what
are
the
exceptional
circumstances
that
would
allow
an
officer
to
do
that.
P
Mr
chair
council,
member
koski,
I
can
give
you
a
full
a
few
examples.
P
H
Thank
you,
mr
mayor
next
question
is:
how
long
do
you
expect
it
to
take
to
review
and
suggest
some
revisions
to
the
department's
policy
on
the
no
knock
warrants,
while
we
are
in
this
moratorium,
why
we
have
the
moratorium
in
place.
P
Mr
chair
councilmember
koski,
it's
a
great
question
and
I
can't
give
you
a
specific
answer
yet
simply
because
I
don't
want
to
rush
a
policy
that
we
need
to
get
right.
I
mean
there's
an
ongoing
tension.
P
I
recognize
of
doing
things
quickly
and
getting
them
right,
and
I
feel
strongly
that
we
need
to
err
on
the
side
of
doing
this
right
because,
as
we've
seen,
this
is
a
very
complex
policy
itself
and
we
need
to
make
sure
that
both
the
right
people
are
engaged
as
well
as
we've
got
the
experts
weighing
in
as
I've
mentioned.
We
do
in
fact
have
the
experts
in
the
form
of
dr
dr
kraska
and
mr
deray
mckesson
that
ultimately
will
be
helping
us
out.
H
Okay,
thank
you,
mr
mayor
and
last
question
two
parts,
though:
what
can
the
city
council
do
to
contribute
to
police
reform
and
policy
revision
at
this
time,
and
how
do
you
plan
to
engage
us?
The
body,
the
city
council,
on
police
reform
and
policy
revision.
P
I
very
much
welcome
both
engagement
as
well
as
collaboration
and
ultimately
forming
a
policy.
I
I
think
there
are
some
on
the
council
that
are
very
passionate
about
this
particular
policy
and
the
substance
within
it
and,
to
that
extent,
let's
work
on
it
together,
you
know
come
by
my
office.
Give
me
a
call,
I
think
some
of
you
have
already
expressed
interest
in
doing
so.
P
We
want
to
work
together
and,
and
let's
make
it
happen-
and
you
know
the
as
we
dig
in
I-
I
think
that
it's
better
to
have
more
people
at
the
table
and
more
perspectives,
understanding
that
the
complexities
and
nuances
of
this
policy
and
the
externalities
of
it
they
could
have
serious
impacts.
B
Thank
you,
councilmember
koski.
We
have
a
question
from
councilmember
vito.
D
Thank
you,
chair
ellison,
and
thank
you,
mr
mayor
for
being
here.
You
may
be
already
answered
this
question,
but
I
just
want
to
make
sure
for
folks
who
have
been
asking
me
this
question
that
they
get
an
answer.
P
Thank
you,
council,
member
vita,
for
the
question.
The
moratorium
that
was
announced
on
friday
prohibits
both
the
issuance
of
and
the
execution
of,
no
knock,
slash,
no
announce
warrants,
and
it's
important
to
note
that
no
knock
and
no
announced
warrants
under
state
law.
They
are
used
interchangeably
and
so
now
both
the
issuance
and
execution
is
restricted.
P
The
november
2020
policy
change
what
it
did
was
ended
the
practice
of
entering
unannounced
while
serving
donut
warrants
barring
dangerous
circumstances
so
again
november
2020
policy.
It
ended
that
practice
of
of
not
announcing
prior
to
entering
even
in
circumstances
when
a
no
knock,
slash
no
announced
warrant
was
in
fact
issued.
P
Council
member
vita,
mr
chair,
under
state
law,
there
were
basically
two
options
for
purposes
of
the
warrants.
There
was
the
no
knock,
slash
no
announce
warrant
and
then
there
is
the
knock
and
announce
warrant
and
we
wanted
to
have
a
policy
that
was
specific
to
minneapolis
and
so
in
delving
in.
We
thought
that
it
was
necessary
to
restrict
the
practice
or
end
the
practice
of
entering
unannounced,
even
in
circumstances
where
a
no
knock,
slash,
no
announce
warrant
was
received.
D
And
then
my
last
question,
mr
mayor,
is
why
the
change
to
require
announcing,
rather
than
a
complete
ban
on
requesting
and
serving
no
knock
warrants.
P
Council
member
vita,
mr
chair
just
council,
member
vito,
I
assume
that
you're
asking
about
the
practice
the
policy
that
was
laid
in
place
in
2020,
as
opposed
to
the
moratorium,
because
the
moratorium
does
in
fact
prevent
both.
D
P
Certainly,
we
could
have
said
that
in
all
circumstances,
you're
required
to
both
knock
and
announce.
These
are
instances
where
you
know
we
could
always
go
further
and
I
think
in
this
instance
with
this
policy
we
need
to,
and
so
that's
what
we're
looking
at
digging
into
right
now.
P
We
believed
at
the
time
that
the
the
most
important
piece
was
the
announcement
itself
and
clearly,
I
think,
in
addition
to
the
announcement
there's
room
to
go
even
further,
and
I
don't
want
to
dictate
exactly
what
that
policy
would
look
like
whether
it's
a
requisite
period
of
time
between
the
announcement,
slash,
the
knock
or
otherwise.
Q
Thank
you,
mr
mayor.
Well,
thank
you,
mr
chair,
and
thank
you,
mr
mayor
for
being
here.
I
really
appreciate
you
being
here
to
answer
questions
and
and
talk
through
this.
I
think
it's
really
helpful
for
everyone
and
a
good
way
to
collaborate.
Q
My
question
is:
is
there
a
standardized
process
you
use
to
develop
and
vet
policy
changes
for
mpd,
and
if
so,
can
you
please
share
details
of
what
that
looks
like?
If
not,
are
you
planning
on
putting
together
a
standardized
process
for
developing
and
vetting
policy,
and
then
how
do
you
think
about
the
different
balances
between
things
like
community
engagement,
communicating
out
policy
changes
and
bringing
in
experts.
P
Mr
chair,
councilmember
johnson,
so
development
of
a
policy
ultimately
takes
many
forms
and
it's
everything
from
ideas
that
we
see
from
other
cities,
conversations
that
I
have
with
other
mayors,
best
practices
that
are
developed
by
state
and
federal
committees
that
have,
in
many
cases
been
issued
and
on
commissions
and
and
work
with
subject
matter,
experts
and,
of
course,
with
with
community
and
the
the
vetting
process
itself.
P
It
generally
starts
in
in
my
office
with
some
initial
research
that
is
undergone
by
staff
to
the
minneapolis
police
department,
for
for
feedback
for
some
of
the
operational
impacts
which
we
have
to
have
an
understanding
of
then
it'll
often
times
go
to
the
city
attorney's
office,
because
we
want
to
make
sure
that
anything
that
we
ultimately
institute
is
is
legal
and
complies
with
state
law,
and
also
we
take
things
through
any
sort
of
labor
relations
committee.
P
In
some
cases,
when
that's
necessary-
and
you
know,
then
there
are
also
public
safety
experts
that
are
outside
the
city
that
can
provide
some
additional
thoughts
and
some
additional
feedback.
So
you
know
a
lot
of
it
is
dependent
on
the
policy.
I'll
tell
you
a
lot
of
it
is
dependent
on
the
the
the
nature
of
the
consequences
of
not
acting
quickly.
P
You
know
so
sometimes
you
just
need
to
get
a
policy
set
up
as
soon
as
possible
to
make
sure
that
you
can
get
it
right
and
certainly
with
the
moratorium,
we
felt
that
it
was
necessary
to
act
in
the
immediacy
and
then
come
up
with
a
policy
that
was
more
thoroughly
vetted,
so
the
moratorium
did
not
take
a
lot
of
time.
There
wasn't
a
standardized
practice
to
doing
that.
We
felt
that
we
needed
to
act
in
the
immediacy,
however,
for
the
policy
around
no
knock
warrants
that
will
ultimately
be
instituted.
P
Yes,
there
will
be
more
of
a
standardized
process
behind
that
and
by
the
way,
there's.
There
are
many
examples
in
the
past
of
other
entities
that
we've
worked
with.
You
know
we
worked
with
the
sexual
violence
center
when
we
created
a
the
overhaul
of
our
of
our
sexual
assault
policy.
We've
worked
with
the
urban
league
before
we've
worked
with
the
host
side
of
north
side
stakeholders
on
on
other
policies,
and
so
I
think
it's
dependent
on
the
particular
policy.
We're
addressing.
B
Sorry,
I'm
having
a
little
bit
of
a
lag
here.
Can
can
you
hear
me
great
so
I
we
had
a
council
member
remove
themselves
from
cue,
and
I
put
myself
in
queue
to
have
a
to
ask
a
few
questions
in
a
general
sense,
and
I
think
this
is
related
to
council
member
johnson's
question
who
helped
shape
the
most
recent
policy
prior
to
the
to
the
moratorium,
not
maybe
naming
names
but
who
in
general,
did
you
see
you
know,
advice
from
on
on
how
to
shape
this
policy?
B
P
It's
a
great
question,
so
this
particular
policy
was
created
in
november
of
2020
and,
yes,
we
were
trying
to
act
as
quickly
as
possible
to
both
respond
to
community
demands,
as
well
as
meet
the
moment
around
the
necessary
reform.
And
so
obviously
my
my
staff
were
involved
in
the
crafting
of
the
policies
city
attorney's
office
were
involved.
P
I
do
believe
we
requested
some
assistance
from
from
external
individuals
as
well
and,
yes,
we
talked
with
police
officers
and
those
that
would
ultimately
be
subject
to
the
practices
as
to
how
they
would
ultimately
impact
the
operations
themselves.
You
know
now
we're
provided
with
an
opportunity
I
believe,
to
go
further
and
I
think
we
we
have
to
you
know
this.
It
shouldn't
take
us
it's
these
tragic
instances
to
to
go
further,
but
I
think
now
now's
the
time
when
we,
you
know,
have
again
a
moratorium
in
place.
P
That
gives
us
the
requisite
time
that
we
need
to
ultimately
engage
all
of
the
right
individuals
and
certainly
council
members,
would
love
to
have
you
in
on
the
discussion.
Yeah.
B
P
Yeah,
thank
you,
mr
chair.
You
know
it's
a
fair
question
and
I'm
glad
you
asked
it.
P
So
if
you
look
back
at
our
official
channels
at
our
initial
press
release
at
our
web
page,
the
the
policy
materials
we
we
put
out
and,
of
course,
the
longer
form
interviews
that
I
was
able
to
do
where
you
can
dig
into
the
details,
we
did
capture
the
complexity
and
nuance
of
both
the
state
law
underpinning
this
change,
as
well
as
the
practice
and
the
november
2020
change
itself
now
throughout
a
campaign,
and
certainly
as
more
and
more
people
and
outside
groups
began
weighing
in
language
became
more
casual,
including
my
own,
which
did
not
reflect
the
necessary
precision
or
nuance,
and
I
own
that
and
as
members
of
this
body
know,
brevity
is,
is
a
virtue
and
and
especially
when
you're
trying
to
explain
something
to
large
numbers
of
people,
and
I
believe
that
my
my
language
and
what
we're,
what
we're
saying,
is
certainly
in
longer
form
honored
the
the
spirit
of
this
policy
changed
in,
but
but
there
were
instances
when
it
did
not,
and
I
own
that.
B
Well,
thank
you.
Thank
you
for
for
that
answer.
You
know.
In
an
earlier
presentation,
we
got
a
little
bit
of
of
information,
and
one
thing
I
found
interesting
was
the
student.
Oh
I'm
blanking
on
her
name
already,
I
called
sarah
murtada.
B
She
she
talked
about
how
a
an
outright
ban,
even
if
there
was
an
outright
ban,
we
would
still
have
pursuits,
would
be
excluded
from
an
outright
ban
as
it
is
around
the
country
as
well
as
hostage
situations
would
be
excluded
from
an
outright
ban,
and
so
I
guess
my
question
is,
you
know:
are
there
factors
that
are
preventing
preventing
you
from
creating
an
outright
ban?
B
Is
there
hesitation
around
best
practices
we
heard
earlier
that
there
there
may
not
be
a
barrier
in
state
law,
and
so
are
there
factors
that
are
sort
of
making
you
hesitant
or
preventing
you
from
creating
an
outright
ban.
P
Well,
you're
right,
councilmember,
ellison,
an
outright
ban,
isn't
even
an
outright
ban,
because
there
are
instances
when
an
officer
can,
without
any
permission
without
permission
from
the
chief
or
a
search
warrant,
go
to
protect
people.
That's
absolutely
true.
You
know
we're
trying
to
be
as
as
transparent
in
all
of
this
as
possible.
So
so,
when
you
do
have
the
ability
to
have
an
exception
to
the
rule
we
want
to.
Let
people
know
that
there
are
exceptions
to
the
rules
for
dangerous
circumstances.
P
Am
I
able
to
predict
what
every
single
dangerous
circumstance
might
look
like?
No,
I
I
can't,
but
we
want
to
be
very
transparent
in
explaining
this
very
complex
and
nuanced
piece
of
law,
and
we
know
we're
encouraged
we're
currently
engaged
in
exactly
what
you
just
outlined.
You
know
previously,
which
is
and
council
member
johnson
outlined,
which
is
best
practices,
the
research,
the
state
law
and
the
research
and
enlisting
some
outside
experts,
and
that's
the
work
that
I
think
we
need
to
be
engaged
in.
Creating
a
final
policy
post-moratorium.
B
And
then,
lastly,
I
have
one
last
question
before
we
move
on.
You
know
I
I
understand
that
you
are
creating
a
slew
of
policies
related
to
many
things,
or
I
assume,
because
I
haven't
been
in
in
deeply
involved
with
your
your
public
safety
work
group.
B
As
policies
come
through
the
public
safety
work
group,
I
know
that
in
your
policy
making
process
you
don't,
there
is
no
obligation
to
bring
those
policies
before
council.
B
But
would
you
be
amenable
to
bringing
some
of
those
policies,
bringing
maybe
all
those
policies
to
council
to
be
vetted
at
a
public
hearing
notice
for
a
public
hearing
for
the
public
to
weigh
in
not
necessarily
for
council
members
to
weigh
in
because
that
authority
is
yours,
but
would
you
be
amenable
to
your
policies
being
subject
to
a
public
hearing
hosted
by
the
council.
P
You
know,
I
think,
getting
some
additional
input
and
engagement,
not
just
from
council
members
but
from
the
general
public
and
some
informed
and
explicit
process
would
in
fact
be
helpful.
I
think
you
and
I,
mr
chair,
would
need
to
get
together
as
well
as
the
leadership
from
the
council
just
to
figure
out
how
best
to
do
this,
how
best
to
provide
some
engagement,
but
you
know,
as
you've
properly
noted
the
you
know,
having
the
the
the
setting
of
the
council
does
provide
for
some
form
of
formal
public
vetting
or
hearing.
Now
I'll.
P
Note,
though,
that
the
the
the
policy
reforms,
the
policy
reforms
themselves,
they
don't
go
through
the
work
group.
The
work
group
is
currently
they're
meeting
to
discuss
recommendations
that
will
ultimately
be
part
of
a
public
report
and
perhaps
that
perhaps
that
public
report
is
something
that
could
get
additional
input
from.
You
know,
council
members
in
the
general
public.
P
It
will
in
fact
be
public
and,
at
that
point
any
recommended
changes
will
ultimately
be
made
public
by
by
my
team
and
so
again
I
I
still
believe
that
it's
important
for
this
work
group
to
be
able
to
have
a
really
open
and
deliberative
process
and
and
that's
best
accomplished
when
people
have
the
ability
to
have
you
know,
comfort
and
be
inquisitive
and
talk
things
through,
but
again
those
recommendations,
regardless
of
that
deliberate
process,
will
ultimately
be
made
public.
E
Thank
you,
chair,
ellison,
hello,
now
fry
in
terms
of
this
theme
around
public
transparency,
which
it
seems
that
the
city
has
kind
of
slacked
on
that
area
and
even
building
upon
a
question
that
chair
ellison,
you
raised
around
considerations
with
these
work
groups,
primarily
the
no
knock
work
group
or
policy
review
team
that
you've
put
together.
E
Can
you
share
some
considerations
that
you
took
into
account,
as
you
were,
putting
that
team
together,
for
instance,
like
some
of
the
quali
qualifications
you
felt
moved
by
in
regards
to
bringing
deray
mckesson
in
to
help
shape
your
new,
no
knock
band
moratorium
or
whatever
that
reiteration
will
be.
P
Mr
chair
council,
member
walmsley
worleba,
so
there
are
a
couple
pieces
that
you
mentioned
there
first
was
the,
I
believe,
the
work
group
itself
and
the
work
group
itself
sets
it
its
own
rules
as
to
they
wanna
as
to
how
they
wanna
conduct
their
meetings,
how
they
wanna
move
forward
with
their
policy
agenda
and
then,
ultimately
the
recommendations
that
they
themselves
want
to
move
forward
on.
Those
are
their
decisions
and
no,
I
have
not
influenced
nor
been
involved
in
that
process
itself
now.
P
The
second
question,
I
believe,
was:
how
did
we
decide
on
the
individuals
that
could
be
providing
some
expertise
around
the
policy
that
will
ultimately
be
crafted
and
the
individuals
that,
as
of
right
now,
will
will
be
involved,
are
dr
kraska
and
mr
deray
mckesson.
P
So
dr
kraskov
is
the
person
that
created
the
policy
in
louisville
kentucky
around
three
hours
long,
and
that
was,
I
think,
one
of
the
foremost
and
leading
policies
at
the
time.
Is
it
the
only
one?
No,
of
course
not,
but
we
wanted
to
have
someone
that
had
deep
experience
in
both
research
law
and
policy
that
can
help
guide
our
process
forward.
P
Mr
mckesson
operates
as
as
part
of
an
entity
and
a
team
that
has
quite
a
bit
of
research
that
has
been
accumulated,
that
can
suggest
the
outcomes
and
externalities
of
any
of
the
decisions
that
are
made.
The
likelihood
I
mean
at
the
end
of
the
day,
the
goal
of
these
policies
are
to
preserve
the
sanctity
of
life.
P
That
is
the
goal
of
these
policies,
and
you
want
to
make
sure
that
you
can
set
in
place
a
policy
that
achieves
the
maximum
likelihood
of
that
taking
place,
and
so
they've
developed
a
criterion
quite
a
bit
of
research
that
we
want
to
make
sure
we
have
access
to
and
can
hone
in
on
in
creating
that
policy.
Now
are
those
the
only
individuals
that
will
be
involved.
No,
of
course
not.
You
know.
Of
course
we
want
to
engage
the
the
work
group.
That's
already
been
in
place.
They
are
working
on
police
reforms.
E
And
just
two
follow-up
questions
just
for
clarification.
In
regards
to
the
work
group,
you
noted
that
it's
it
was
the
work
group
that
made
the
decision
to
basically
not
have
that
public
transparency
be
part
of
how
they're
forming
these
recommendations
and
then
also
on
the
point
of
this
new
policy
group,
that's
going
to
feature
individuals
like
deray
mckesson.
E
That
will,
or
was
there
ever
consideration
of
having
an
open
bid
process
for
some
of
the
local
experts.
I
mean
that
even
joined
this
meeting
today
on
pogo
to
help
be
part
of
co-crafting.
This
next
reiteration
of
your
no
knock
policy.
P
Council,
member
of,
of
course,
if
there
are
individuals
that
could
aid
in
this
policy,
we're
welcomed
we're
welcoming
them
to
the
process
as
well.
You
know
I
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we
don't
have
too
many
people
in
the
room
that
are
creating
the
policy
itself,
but
I
you
know
mr
mckesson
and
dr
kraska.
These
are
foremost
experts
and
and
have
provided
quite
a
bit
of
data
and
research
and
in
some
cases,
have
actually
passed
laws
on
the
topic
so
yeah.
P
I
do
value
their
their
input
and
research
and
with
respect
to
the
the
work
group
itself,
you
know.
I
still
do
believe
that
it
is
important
for
the
work
group
to
be
able
to
have
a
very
open
and
deliberative
process,
and
I
think,
that's
best
accomplished
when
people
can
be
comfortable
expressing
their
views
and
and
discuss
new
or
perhaps
even
unusual
ideas
very
openly
without
any
concern.
Again.
You
know
that
I,
while
I
was
not
the
individual
that
determined
that
rule
I
do
support.
E
E
Specifically
what
qualifications
did
you
know
that
made
him
an
expert
as
there's
been
lots
of
materials
that
have
come
out
in
recent
weeks
that
has
kind
of
pushed
back
on
that
expertise,
so
would
love
to
know?
Maybe
you
offer
or
have
received
different
understandings
or
research
about
his
qualifications
in
this
area.
P
Yeah,
maybe
I
have
received
different
information
regarding
qualifications
and
expertise,
but
you
know
he
has
done
quite
a
bit
of
work
behind
campaign,
zero
and
other
initiatives
to
ultimately
get
to
a
place
where
we
we
have
accountability
throughout
our
police
departments.
Now
what
was
he
the
only
individual
involved?
I'm
sure
the
answer
is
no.
I
can't
speak
to
the
specific
instances
that
you're
talking
about,
but
I
I
do
know
him
to
have
a
wealth
of
information
and
data,
and
certainly
it's
it's
data
and
information
that
we
welcome.
E
B
Thank
you,
council
member
wanza
wallabaugh.
Next
we
have
council
member
chuck
thai.
R
R
I'm
so
sorry
yeah,
so
I
wanted
to
just
start
by
it
by
thanking
you,
mr
chair,
and
thanking
the
mayor
for
coming
in
today
to
to
answer
our
questions,
and
so
I
have
a
few
of
them
I'll
run
through
them
and
then
hand
it
off
to
the
to
the
next
person
in
queue.
R
So
you
alluded
to
this
a
little
bit
earlier,
but
I
just
want
to
get
some
clarity
on.
How
long
do
you
intend
for
this
moratorium
to
to
be
in
place.
P
R
Excellent,
thank
you
very
much
and
then
shifting
gears
a
little
bit
for
a
second.
I
was
reading
through
the
the
the
policy
change
referenced
in
2020
to
our
no
knock
warrant
policy
within
the
minneapolis
police
department
and
one
of
the
pieces
that
addresses
is
that,
usually,
you
know
warrants
of
this
nature.
R
High
risk
warrants
no
knock
warrants
or
knock
and
announce
warrants
go
through
our
cities
or
the
minneapolis
police
department
swap
team
and
when
they
are
deemed
to
be
of
high-risk
nature
that
usually
the
swat
team
sergeant
is
consulted.
I
I
wonder,
like
does
that.
Consultation
from
the
from
the
swat
team
sergeant
exists
around
the
clock,
or
you
know
when
say
warrants
come
in
at
different
times
of
day
or
executed
at
different
times
of
day.
Is
that
does
that
go
up
higher
in
the
in
the
chain
of
command.
P
R
Okay,
I
appreciate
that,
thank
you
and
then
just
wanting
to
understand
is
the
authorization
of
of
swot
always
used
for
no
knock
warrants,
as
in
is
swat
always
authorized
to
receive
and
carry
those
out.
R
Okay,
that's
helpful,
thank
you
and
then
can
you
speak
to
like
how
the
how
swot
is
assembled.
R
N
R
P
Mr
chair
council,
member
of
shuktai,
yes,
there's,
definitely
a
higher
level
of
training
that
they
need
to
go
to
both
in
the
execution
of
of
not
gonna,
announce,
warrants
of
of
no
knock
warrants
and
also
of
using
I
mean
also
using
additional
techniques
to
you
know
prevent
us
from
getting
to
this
particular
place,
and
so
you
know
yes,
there
is
additional
training
in
place.
P
I
I
think
that
there
are
other
individuals
that
are
better
able
to
speak
to
all
of
the
pieces
of
training
that
they
get
in
addition
to
the
regular
minneapolis
police
department
training
than
I,
but
we're
certainly
happy
to
provide
you,
those
information,
it's
something
that
I
have
been
briefed
on,
that
we
have
discussed
and
we
have
enhanced,
but
I
believe
that
we
can
go
even
further.
You
know
and
and
I'll
note,
that
you
know
the
there
are-
and
this
is
something
that
I
think
we
really
have
to
look
at
here.
P
You
know
there
are
there
is
there
are
instances
and
there
are
policies.
There
are
practices
that
we
have
seen
both
in
minneapolis
and
in
other
cities
that
allow
for
scenarios
where
it
is
a
knock
and
announce
even
under
more
difficult
circumstances,
but
oftentimes
those
practices
require
more
resources
and
personnel
and
at
times
technology,
to
do
so
with
the
necessary
safety
for
both
the
officers
and
the
general
public.
R
No,
it's
really
helpful.
I
appreciate
that,
and
just
speaking
to
I
appreciate
that
that
just
your
honesty
here
around,
like
the
details
of
how
a
swat
team
is
is
assembled
for
specific
cases,
is
something
that
there
are
other
folks
who
can
speak
to
that
better,
who
kind
of
probably
deal
with
that
on
a
day-to-day
basis.
Would
you
have
just?
Can
you
help?
Can
you
point
me
to
the
in
the
right
direction?
Who
is
the
right
person
to
take
that
question
to.
R
Okay,
thank
you
very
much
and
then
prior
to
the
moratorium,
taking
being
announced
and
taking
effect
on
friday,
were
there
existing
warrants
of
a
high-risk
nature
or
no
knock
warrants
that
we
had
received
as
the
mini
or
as
the
minneapolis
police
department
and
city
of
minneapolis
had
received.
R
Yeah
happy
too
so
prior
to
the
moratorium
being
announced
and
then
taking
effect
on
friday.
Were
there
existing
warrants
of
high
risk
or
or
no
knock
warrants
warrants
of
that
nature
that
we,
as
the
city
of
minneapolis
and
the
minneapolis
police
department,
had
received
to
carry
out.
P
R
No,
I
so,
I
think
the
nature
of
my
question
is
we.
We
now
have
a
moratorium
in
our
city
of
carrying
out
these
no
knock
warrants
between
the
time
between
you
know,
for
example,
like
tuesday
and
friday.
When
we
announced
this
this
moratorium
were
there
additional
requests
we
had
received
or
no
knock
warrants.
We
had
received.
P
Mr
chair
council,
member
shuktai,
I
am
so
we
we
would
issue
the
request
for
the
no
knock
warrant
and
then
receive
the
ability
to
execute
it.
There
are
times,
of
course,
when
other
jurisdictions
request
and
receive
the
no
not
warrants,
and
then
we
are
the
entity
that
executes
it
to
be
clear,
the
moratorium
applies
to
both
the
issuance
of
or
the
requesting
of,
the
no
knock
slash.
No,
no,
no
announce
awards
again.
These
two
phrases
can
be
used
interchangeably
and
I
understand
it
can
get
confusing.
P
It
applies
both
to
the
issuance
and
the
execution,
and
so
as
of
that
date,
as
of
that
time,
that
is
the
practice.
I
am
not
aware
of
of
any
additional
warrants
being
executed,
executed
or
issued,
because
again
the
moratorium
went
into
place.
Now
that
moratorium
to
be
clear,
does
not
apply
to
knock
and
announce
warrants.
It
also
does
not
apply
to
other
jurisdictions.
R
Help
me
so
just
to
clarify
it
doesn't
apply
to
other
jurisdictions.
So,
following
the
moratorium
to
this
day,
could
an
external
law
enforcement
agency
approach
the
minneapolis
police
department
and
ask
them
to
carry
out
a
no-knock
warrant?
My
understanding
of
the
moratorium
is
that
that's
not
the
case,
but
I
could
be
wrong.
P
Mr
chair
councilmember
shagtai,
so
certainly
another
jurisdiction
can
request
a
no
knock
warrant.
They
certainly
can
approach
the
police
department
and
make
a
request.
However,
the
moratorium
says
that
we're
not
going
to
carry
that
out.
B
Councilmember
sorry
to
interrupt,
I
know
that
the
I've
gotten
a
notice
about
the
mayor's
time,
not
cutting
your
questions
short.
Please
continue
to
ask
your
questions,
but
I
just
wanted
to
have
it
noted
that
we've
got
a
few
more
questions
and
I
want
to
make
sure
that
the
that
yeah,
that
that
we
get
mayor
out
on
time
and
that
we
answer
a
few
more
questions
if
you're
still
willing
to.
P
Thank
you,
mr
yeah.
It's
a
bit
it's
a
bit
it's
over
now,
but
you
know,
but
I
will
be
willing
to
ask
answer
a
few
more.
I
do
have
some
other
work
I
got
to
get
done.
I
appreciate
it.
R
Right
so
I
just
a
couple
more
questions
here.
The
individuals
that
are
are
coming
in
to
support
you
in
writing
a
no
knock
warrant
policy
per
the
press,
release
that
we've
been
discussing
here.
Are
they
doing
this
like
voluntarily
or
on
a
contract
basis?.
R
Okay,
great
and
then
should
we
enter
into
a
contract
with
them.
Will
we
will
we
receive
communication
about
how
large
that
contract
might
be
things
like
that.
P
Mr
chair
councilmember
shuktai,
it's
my
understanding
that
any
contracts
that
are
entered
certainly
beyond
a
certain
dollar
figure
require
council
authorization
in
some
form,
and
so
yes,
you
would
receive
that,
and
certainly,
if
there's
a
contract
that
does
not
rise
to
the
the
dollar
figure,
we
can
certainly
still
share
that
with
you.
R
Amazing,
and
then
I
know
there
are-
we
have
plenty
of
standard
procedures
regarding
swat
carrying
out
warrants.
I
I
wonder,
would
you
happen
to
know
what
other
external
bodies
a
company
swat
under
standard
procedure
while
carrying
out
these
types
of
warrants.
P
Mr
chair
council,
member
shogutai,
are
I
want
to
make
sure
that
I
understand
the
question
correctly.
Are
you
asking
if
there's
any
other
individuals
that
are
in
the
operation
other
than
swat,
that
could
potentially
be
part
of
it.
R
Yes,
and
but
I
think,
I'm
speaking
specifically
to
like
other
bodies
so,
like
you
know,
does
fire
so
does
fire
accompany
them?
Does
like
a
ems,
a
company
things
like
that.
P
We
can
look
into
that
and
get
back
to
you.
I
I'm
not
aware
of
other
entities
that
necessarily
assist
you
know.
Certainly
if
there
are
emergency
situations
that
require
or
could
require
medical
attention,
then
yes,
we
would
engage
with
ems.
B
Your
folks
hear
me,
so
I
have
a
lag
on
my
computer.
Thank
you,
councilmember
chick
tai
mayor.
If
you
would
be
patient
enough,
we
have
one
last
set
of
questions
from
council
member
chavez,
and
so
I'm
going
to
give
him
the
floor.
S
Thank
you,
chair
ellison,
and
thank
you
mayor
fry
before
I
ask
my
question.
I
just
want
to
say
that
I
think
we
need
to
have
an
immediate
review
of
all
reforms
conducted
by
the
miami's
police
department
and
then
I'll
jump
into
my
questions.
The
first
one
is:
if
the
miami's
police
department
felt
quote,
unquote
immediate
danger,
why
did
they
not
use
ballistic
shields
while
entering
a
no
knock
warrant.
P
Mr
chair
council
member
chavez,
if
you're
referencing
this
specific
incident,
this
specific
officer
involved
shooting
I
I
am
not
able
to
talk
about
that.
B
You're
speaking
typically
councilmember
chavez,
yes,.
B
That
might
be
a
question
relevant
to
this
question
that
is
kind
of
getting
us
into
the
details
of
the
facts,
but
certainly
a
question
that
a
lot
of
people
want
to
know.
But
we
may
not
be
able
to
answer
that
question
on
this
platform.
B
I
want
to
thank
my
colleagues
and-
and
I
wanted
to
close
with
a
few
remarks
quickly
before
we
adjourn
you
all
know
where
I
stand
on
a
lot
of
these
issues.
Members
of
this
body
have
not
always
agreed
with
one
another
and
that's
okay,
whether
it's
your
preference
to
take
a
more
measured
approach
or
to
act
diligently
with
urgency,
as
I
want
to
do.
B
I
may
disagree
with
the
approach,
but
I
know
that
we
all
feel
the
weight
of
these
issues,
no
matter
our
approach
in
creating
safety
in
our
city,
improving
our
systems
and
achieving
justice.
The
truth
is
that
we
all
want
to
get
it
right
for
me.
Getting
it
right
includes
doing
the
work
urgently
and
quickly.
B
There
are
a
number
of
things
that
my
colleagues
many
ideas
that
have
been
put
forward
and
I
wanted
to
leave
us
with
a
list
of
of
those
ideas
so
that
whether
we
agree
or
disagree
with
one
another,
the
public
knows
that
we
have
that.
We
are
active
in
this
discussion
and
that
we're
moving
with
urgency
and
so
ideas
such
as
a
charter
amendment
addressing
structural
changes
to
create
public.
The
the
department
of
public
safety
is
currently
being
proposed
by
councilmember
payne.
B
Secondly,
we
have
the
option
to
advocate
using
our
legislative
agenda
for
changes
to
the
state
law
regarding
no
knock
warrants
and
addressing
the
classification
and
accessibility
of
government
data
collected
by
body-worn
cameras
in
another
step
is
another
step
that
this
body
can
easily
take
and
should
move
forward
on.
B
I
hope
that
it's
clear
that
to
all
of
us
that
our
failure
to
improve
these
practices
have
produced,
in
many
cases,
the
opposite
of
public
safety,
and
I
look
forward
to
working
with
all
of
you
working
with
the
mayor,
and
I
know
that
we
will
most
certainly
hear
from
our
constituents
who
will
continue
to
demand
change
and
so
seeing.
No
further
business
before
us,
I
will
leave
this
meeting
adjourns.