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From YouTube: July 13, 2022 Public Health & Safety Committee
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A
B
A
Present,
let
the
record
reflect
that
we
have
a
forum
with
that.
The
agenda
for
today's
meeting
is
before
us.
Our
first
item
is
a
public
hearing
on
the
paint
booth,
ordinance
related
to
the
paint
facilities,
equipment
and
products
containing
volatile
organic
compounds,
compounds
jenny,
lansing
senior
environmental
research.
Analyst
will
be
giving
us
this
presentation,
miss
lansing
or.
D
Mayor,
I'm
gonna,
kick
it
off
here
so
12
years
ago.
Sorry,
chair
of
utah
council
members,
12
years
ago,
we
started
out
the
green
costumer
program
and
we
looked
at
two
main
industries
in
minneapolis
that
we
felt
like
we
could
get
improvements
in
air
quality
and
working
on
a
win-win
approach.
We
looked
at
two
industries.
One
was
dry
cleaning
and
we've
already
converted
all
of
our
dry
cleaning
spots
over
to
perk
free,
dry
cleaners
in
minneapolis.
That
was
the
first
in
the
nation.
D
The
other
industry
that
we
looked
at
was
auto
body,
and
we
looked
at
that
because
it
was,
they
were
two
industries.
An
autobody
is
an
industry
that
was
already
heading
towards
a
more
waterborne
paint
and
bringing
a
cleaner
technology
into
our
city
that
creates
improved
air
quality
in
our
city
and
improved
working
conditions
for
workers
that
work
in
those
auto
body
shops.
D
We've
already
had
a
significant
number
of
auto
body
shops
that
have
made
this
conversion
central,
auto
body,
oscar's,
auto
body
I
believe,
ramin
hakimi-
is
here
or
will
be
here:
mulroy's,
auto
body,
dunwoody
training,
the
next
generation
of
our
of
our
paint
techs
here
in
minneapolis
new
gate,
how
these
have
all
converted
away.
So
a
number
of
businesses
have
already
made
this
conversion.
D
Today's
ordinance
that
is
going
to
come
before
you
sets
us
on
a
path
to
full
conversion,
to
more
cleaner,
more
modern
technology
that
will
reduce
pollution
and
create
healthier
working
conditions
in
our
auto
body
shops,
and
I
would
challenge
in
addition
to
this
ordinance.
I
would
challenge
anyone
to
find
a
more
business
friendly
approach.
D
There
are
small
business.
These
are
small
businesses
with
real
challenges
and
that
aspect,
and
that
combination
of
this
program
is
huge.
The
city
green
costs
year
program
provides
a
75
match
for
these
small
businesses
and
when
you
match,
there's
also
state
and
osha
programs
out
there
that
can
help
combine
that
com
almost
cover
the
full
cost
of
this
conversion.
So
this
is
a
very
business
friendly
approach,
and
I
know
that
there's
folks
here
that
are
going
to
speak
on
in
favor
of
that
as
well.
D
This
really
is
a
nationally
leading
approach
that
we're
taking
here
today,
and
so
I
want
to
thank
our
commissioner,
heidi
ritchie,
for
the
support
that
she's,
given
us,
the
mayor's
office
and
this
council
that
has
given
us
over
the
last
12
years
in
supporting
this
sort
of
win-win
approach
that
we
have
with
businesses,
and
I
want
to
thank
jenny,
lansing
our
senior
research
analyst
for
rolling
out
a
thoughtful
and
comprehensive
program
on
your
behalf.
So
with
that,
I'm
going
to
welcome
her
up.
Thank
you.
E
So
the
current
ordinance
47.160
for
paint
booth
requirements
requires
that
anybody
that
is
spray
painting
commercial
industrial
pieces
do
that
in
a
paint
booth
with
a
required
filter.
We're
amending
that
ordinance
to
add
in
this
piece
to
reduce
volatile
organic
compounds,
so
this
ordinance
is
specific
to
automotive
refinishing.
E
We
do
requirements
with
a
goal
in
mind
and
the
goal
here
is
to
reduce
volatile
organic
compounds,
so
waterborne
base
codes
might
be
the
best
way
to
do
that.
But
there
are
other
options
as
well
for
shops
and
those
options
would
be
the
low
voc,
solvent,
base,
coats
or
low
voc
single
stage.
When
somebody
is
painting
a
vehicle,
there's
there's
three
levels
of
paint:
there's
the
primer
there's
the
base
coat,
which
is
the
colorant
and
there's
the
top
coat,
which
is
the
clear
coat
or
sealer.
E
The
base
coats
right
now
have
options
from
the
distributors
for
waterborne
and
that's
why
it's
specific
to
the
base
coat
waterborne
base,
coat
primers
not
available
yet
in
waterborne
and
the
top
coat
the
clear
sealant,
also
not
available
in
waterborne.
So
we're
just
looking
at
that
middle
layer
that
that
colorant
that
base
coat
single
stage
is
base
coat
and
the
top
coat
the
the
clear
coat
in
one
and
that's
often
used
on
semi-trailers
and
really
large
vehicles
that
also
isn't
available
in
waterborne.
But
it
does
have
low
voc
options.
E
The
low
voc
options
that
you
see
here,
3.5
pounds
per
gallon
for
the
base,
coats
and
2.8
pounds
per
gallon
for
the
single
stage.
Those
are
industry,
accepted,
low,
voc,
solvent
coatings
that
they
can
accomplish,
and
it's
a
widely
accepted
industry
industry
number
and
then
less
than
150
gallons
of
voc
containing
materials
per
calendar
year.
That
would
just
be
a
really
small
shop.
So
a
really
small.
E
You
know
auto
body
shop
that
maybe
doesn't
have
their
own
paint
mixing
booth.
They
have
a
paint
booth,
they
might
do
a
little
bit
of
spraying.
You
know
they're
getting
a
can
of
already
mixed
colorant,
but
they're
just
not
doing
a
high
volume
of
work
and
it
might
not
be
financially
viable
for
them
to
make
a
big
switch
like
this.
E
So
the
reason
that
we're
doing
this
is
because
we
are
working
to
reduce
volatile
organic
compounds
in
minneapolis.
All
paints
have
have
solvent
in
them
have
vocs.
However,
there's
less
so
when
we're
looking
at
the
solvent
composition
of
waterborne
paint,
we're
looking
at
about
10
percent
of
that
paint
being
solvents
when
we're
looking
at
solvent-based
paint
we're
looking
at
upwards
of
84
of
that
paint
being
made
up
of
solvents.
E
E
E
E
We
know,
through
our
work
with
the
minneapolis
green
zones,
that
the
reduction
of
air
toxics
is
something
that
is
hugely
important
to
the
community
in
the
environmental
justice
areas,
in
particular,
there's
a
cumulative
effect
in
those
areas.
People
are
exposed
to
many
different
sources
of
air
toxics,
and
this
is
just
one
way
that
we
can
chip
away
at
that
and
reducing
those
air
toxics.
E
So
some
of
the
common
volatile,
organic
compounds
or
vocs
and
I'll
just
explain
what
a
voc
is
a
voc
is
a
class
of
chemical
pollutants,
volatile
that
means
that
they
evaporate
quickly
into
the
air
inorganic,
meaning
that
they
contain
a
carbon
atom.
Some
of
the
common
vocs
in
automotive
refinishing
paint
are
toluene,
xylenes
and
ethyl
benzene
and
those
vocs
are
known
to
cause
respiratory
cardiovascular
blood.
Liver
kidney
effects
also
have
effect
on
the
central
nervous
system.
They
cause
dizziness,
they
cause
headaches
and
toluene
is
shown
to
have
developmental
effects
and
fetuses
as
well.
E
E
So
I'm
going
to
take
a
couple
slides
just
to
talk
about
the
business
perspective
of
this,
so
in
minneapolis
we
currently
have
27
automotive
refinishers.
Five
of
those
are
currently
spraying
waterborne,
we're
not
suggesting
a
switch
to
something.
That's
a
new
technology
that
isn't
well
understood.
Waterborne
paint
for
automotive
refinishing
has
really
become
the
standard
manufacturers
right
now,
paint
manufacturers
they're
putting
all
of
their
technology
and
energy
into
waterborne
paints
and
waterborne
paint
products
like
I
said
this
isn't.
New.
E
The
coastal
city
is
los
angeles,
they've
been
spraying
exclusive
waterborne
in
their
automotive
refinishers
for
10
plus
years.
Now,
all
the
current
trade
schools,
like
the
one
that
the
ones
that
patrick
hanlon
mentioned,
they're
spraying
waterborne,
so
the
students
that
are
coming
out
of
these
trade
schools,
they're
learning
how
to
spray
waterborne
paint,
in
fact,
shops
that
are
still
only
spraying.
Solvent
paint
are
having
a
difficult
time
finding
painters,
because
the
new
painters
know
how
to
spray
waterborne.
E
They
want
to
spray
waterborne,
they
like
spring
waterborne
and
if
a
shop
is
only
spraying
solvent,
they
will
likely
look
somewhere
else.
Another
benefit
is
that
waterborne
paint
provides
a
better
color
match
on
automobiles,
so
most
factories
that
are
producing
cars
are
spraying
in
waterborne
paint.
So
if
you
own
a
car
yourself
chances
are
that
your
car
was
sprayed
at
the
factory
using
waterborne
paint.
E
So
when
you're
spraying
after
some
auto
body
damage
when
they're
trying
to
cover
that
up
and
repair,
they
get
a
better
color
match
by
spraying
with
the
same
type
of
paint,
also
better
coverage
and
fewer
coats.
So
some
of
the
paint
manufacturers
say
that
with
the
waterborne
they
can
get
a
good
coverage
in
one
and
a
half
coats,
as
opposed
to
the
solvent-based
paints
that
take
two
to
three
coats,
and
this
saves
both
paint
and
costs
and
time.
E
So
when
the
paint
technicians
they're
getting
paid
by
the
job
and
if
they
can
get
a
job
done
faster
and
they
can
get
more
jobs
done
in
that
day,
they're
obviously
going
to
be
earning
more
money,
it's
also
much
easier
to
clean.
So
if
you
go
into
a
paint
mixing
room,
add
an
automotive
refinishing
shop
you'll
see
if
they're
spraying
waterborne,
that
it
smells
much
better.
It's
just
visually
cleaner
and
more
appealing,
and
we
have
confirmed
this
with
testing
ourselves.
So
we
did
testing
in
2019
at
dunwiddie
institute.
E
We
had
technicians,
we
set
up
a
controlled
experiment
where
we
had
technicians,
spraying
waterborne
and
then
on
a
different
day
spring
solvent,
and
we
did
some
air
sampling
inside
outside
of
the
paint
booth
inside
the
room
outside
of
the
facility
itself,
and
we
saw
huge
reductions
when
they
sprayed
waterborne
versus
when
they
sprayed
solvents.
Huge
reductions
in
bocs.
E
So,
what's
involved
in
an
automotive
refinisher
who's
going
to
make
the
switch
to
a
waterborne
paint,
they
need
to
retrofit
the
booth
they
need
to
add
fans.
Waterborne
paint
doesn't
dry
in
the
same
way
that
a
solvent
paint
does.
It
needs
air
flow
to
move
across
the
vehicle
to
dry,
so
they
need
to
have
new
paint
fans
in
their
booth.
They
also
need
new
paint
guns,
new,
cleaner
and,
of
course,
new
paint,
waterborne
paint,
but
the
good
news
is
is
that
we
have
funding
to
help
the
businesses
get
to
this
point.
E
In
fact,
in
2022
we've
already
received
one
green
cost
share
application
for
a
paint
facility
that
is
going
to
switch
to
waterborne
paint
and
that's
auto
truck
services,
service,
company
and
kind
of
a
cool
aspect
of
that
is
that
auto
truck
service.
They
paint
all
the
city
fleet
vehicles,
so
they
paint
all
the
pool
car
vehicles.
They
paint
police.
E
A
A
F
F
I'm
linda
excuse,
me,
lynn,
rose
and
I'm
representing
o'reilly's
of
all
of
minnesota,
but
I
do
have
this
market
of
minneapolis
and
I'm
just
here
to
listen
on
what
proceedings
are
happening
today.
So
that's
just
your
gathering
information
for
when
the
shops
have
to
switch
and
what
they
need
and
what
have
you,
but
some
of
the
numbers
that
they're,
given
some
of
the
retrofitting
might
be
a
little
bit
higher
because
we
sell
boosts
and
the
paint
equipment
and
all
that,
so
it
all
varies
from
shop
to
shop
like
she
had
spoke.
F
A
G
Sure
gerald
staley
and
mr
hanlon
asked
me
to
speak
just
on
my
experience
with
waterborne
paint,
so
I
currently
own
three
shops
in
the
metro
area,
none
of
them
in
minneapolis,
so
not
in
the
area
that
is
being
discussed
today.
I
guess,
but
we
voluntarily
switched
to
a
waterborne
paint
just
about
10
years
ago.
So
august
will
be
10
years
ago
that
we
did
the
switch
we
at
the
time
it
was
very
skeptical
of
it.
G
You
know
it's
new
technology,
but
newer
technology
back
then,
and
just
like
our
paint
manufacturer
talked
us
into
just
trying
it,
so
we
did
and
it
ended
up
being
a
great
product.
A
great
switch
was
here:
we
are
ten
years
later
and
would
never
look
back
biggest
benefits
for
us.
Obviously,
the
environmental
concerns
it's
better
for
the
environment,
but
what
we
saw
firsthand
right
away
was
our
painters
actually
felt
better,
so
they
were
the
most
skeptical
of
a
switch.
G
It's
difficult.
I
hate
the
stereotype,
but
a
painter,
hates
change.
They're
used
to
doing
what
they've
done
for
so
long.
They
hate
it.
They
hate
change
so
bringing
this
in
was
a
big
sell
to
them,
and
that's
what
I'm
concerned
about
as
a
mandate
as
well.
Yes,
there
are
a
lot
of
kids
that
done.
Woody
are
not
a
lot
of
kids.
G
There's,
not
enough
kids,
I
should
say,
but
there
are
kids
that
done
woody
learning
this
newer
technology,
but
the
ones
that
are
out
there
existing
that
are
spraying,
it
spraying
the
old
technology
or
the
solvent-based
technology.
You
have
a
very
difficult
time
convincing
them
that
this
is
going
to
be
all
right.
You
know,
sometimes
you
just
it
may
be
forcing
that.
There's
a
way
to
go.
I
don't
know,
but
anyways
my
painters
feel
better.
They
would
not
switch
back
to
solvent-based
paint
if
I
paid
them
to
so
we
had
a
good
experience
that
way.
G
G
They
helped
us
with
a
lot
of
the
cost,
but
he
like
talked
about
the
air
movement
is
very
important
and
there
are
different
ways
to
do
that,
some
better
than
others,
but
on
a
humid
day
you
really
need
really
good
air
movement,
so
good
fans
are
necessary
and
just
having
a
good
booth
as
well
with
a
good
filtration
system
is
important,
so
we
have
two
other
stores.
We
switched
them.
G
One
other
store
successfully,
the
other
one
we're
switching
actually
next
month.
I
just
purchased
that
store
in
may,
so
the
painter
is
very
nervous
about
it.
I
mean
I
there's
a
chance
he
may
quit
over
it.
So
that's
my
other
concern
on
the
man
mandating
of
it
is
making
sure
we
have
plenty
of
resources.
Plenty
of
you
know
financial
help,
whatever
it
may
be,
to
help
these
shops
feel
comfortable,
doing
it,
making
somebody
do
it,
there's
always
ways.
G
It
seems
like
it's
an
uphill
battle,
because
it's
it's
already
lost
and
they're
thinking
that
it's
not
going
to
work
by
forcing
them,
I
would
say,
but
just
I
think,
having
plenty
of
resources
available
for
shops
to
be
able
to
do
it.
Whether
it
be
financially
a
lot
of
the
paint,
manufacturers
are
probably
willing
to
help
the
jobbers
and
all
that
stuff.
G
H
I
My
name
is
bill,
william
dressler.
I
work
for
a
non-profit
environmental
initiative
and
run
part
of
that
organization
with
a
an
organization
or
a
program
called
cleaner
minnesota,
which
has
been
around
for
20
years
next
year,
and
we
work
on
a
lot
of
the
issues
that
patrick
and
jenny
have
already
spoken
about.
I
So
I'm
going
to
kind
of
wing
it
on
the
comments
that
I
had,
but
we
work
and
try
to
put
together
these
public-private
community
projects
to
gain
emission
and
exposure
reductions
in
our
issues
are
threefold,
that
they
find
environmental
benefits,
health
benefits
and
economic
benefits
and
part
of
the
reason
that
we
do.
This
is
because
we
don't
all
breathe
the
same
air
as
jenny
kind
of
alluded
to
that.
I
The
zip
code
in
which
you
live
has
too
big
of
an
impact
on
the
health
elements
that
you
face
and
the
outcomes
that
are
registered
in
the
metrics
on
those
issues
in
those
areas.
So
what
we
focus
on
and
try
to
do
is
work
on
these
smaller
dispersed
sources
of
pollution
that
you've
heard
about
today
and
try
to
find
other
ways
to
gain
funding
to
incentivize
the
businesses.
I
Those
are
the
two
areas
that
we
work
on
primarily
with
the
city
of
minneapolis
for
many
many
years
as
patrick
alluded
to
also
you've
won
national
awards
on
the
things
that
you've
done
in
these
areas
for
being
proactive
and
ahead
of
the
curve
with
all
of
these
issues,
but
I
will
point
out
a
couple
of
unique
things
that
haven't
been
mentioned
up
to
this
point.
One
of
the
other
issues
that
we
work
on
and
think
about
and
try
to
create
again.
I
These
emission
and
exposure
reduction
projects
around
are
called
the
criteria-
air
pollutants
at
the
federal
level
that
the
epa
measures,
two
of
them
again,
one
that
jenny
talked
about
ground
level,
ozone
and
fine
particulate
matter
are
going
to
be
reviewed
in
the
next
year
or
so,
and
those
standards
are
going
to
be
tightened,
so
the
allowable
amounts
are
going
to
be
lower
and
in
general,
right
now
the
standard
is
at
12..
The
consideration
is
looking
at
reducing
that
to
8
to
10.
I
and
there
are
monitors
in
the
seven
county
metro
area
that
are
above
eight
between
eight
and
ten.
So
if
the
standards
go
that
low,
there
are
all
kinds
of
things
that
are
going
to
be
triggered
that
we
will
have
to
find
out
ways
to
do
and
get
these
kinds
of
emission
reduction
projects
going,
and
it
won't
be
nearly
as
much
fun
as
these
kinds
of
things
where
there's
financial
opportunities
for
the
companies
to
do
it.
I
One
of
the
other
areas
that
we
work
on
with
shops
is
to
try
to
raise
other
funds
to
leverage
for
money
finances
and
the
technical
assistance
that
come
from
the
green
cost
share
program.
We
write
grants.
We
administer
everything
for
the
shops
for
the
fleets
we
retrofitted
put
pollution
control
devices
on
every
school
bus
in
the
state
of
minnesota
and
all
of
them
in
minneapolis
over
the
last
few
years.
I
So
as
a
takeaway
here,
the
main
points
that
I
would
bring
to
this
is
again
we're
doing
this
for
equity
issues
trying
to
find
environmental,
health
and
economic
opportunities.
The
things
that
jenny
and
patrick
have
talked
about
are
extremely
cost.
Effective,
they're
shovel
ready
and
they
are
the
trend
across
the
country.
Eventually,
the
whole
market
will
go
this
way
because
of
what
I
said
earlier
about
these
non-attainment
issues
at
the
federal
level
that
these
waterborne
paints
are
one
of
the
tactical
elements
used
in
this
business
segment.
I
To
do
this,
and
eventually
they
will
all
go
that
way,
but
anything
that
we
can
do
to
get
ahead
of
the
curve
on
these
kinds
of
issues
at
the
federal
level
is
good.
Again,
economic,
health
and
environmental
benefits,
and
what
I'm
mostly
here
today
to
say,
is
in
front
of
all
of
you
too,
and
the
shops
and
the
associations
is
that
we
stand
ready,
willing
and
able
to
do
more
of
this
with
any
shops
that
are
willing
to
do
this
with
us
that
we
will
write
these
grants,
we
administer
them.
I
You
know
nobody
wants
to
read
the
code
of
federal
regulations
on
procurement,
but
we
do
those
things
so
that
the
shops
and
the
fleet
owners
and
others
like
that-
can
get
these
funding
this
funding
to
do
this
ahead
of
when
they
would
have
to
do
it
via
regulation.
So
we
can
answer
any
questions
anybody
might
have,
but
we're
very
much
in
favor
of
this
approach
and
again
for
all
of
those
reasons.
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
H
A
J
K
K
You
know
our
environment
as
well
as
our
our
collective
health,
so
I
want
to
absolutely
offer
you
know
a
shout
out
to
councilmember
payne
our
amazing
staff
that
have
been
working
on
this
and
really
hope
to
see
us.
You
know
continue
collaborating
on
other
initiatives,
both
in
that
plan
and
other.
You
know
initiatives
that
our
staff
are
leading
to
really
make
our
city
more
greener
and
more
progressive
in
meeting
those
goals
for
the
well-being
of
our
residents.
So
thank
you.
L
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
I
obviously
want
to
thank
our
staff
and
my
colleagues
for
bringing
this
forward.
These
are
and
the
advocates
for
bringing
this
forward.
These
are
one
of
those
issues
that
can
fly
under
the
radar,
but
I
really
want
to
thank
the
businesses
that
showed
up
today
to
talk
about
their
experience
to
give
their
their
optimism
to
give
their
advocacy,
but
also
some
of
the
cautious
optimism
as
well.
L
If
we
go
about
this
in
the
wrong
way,
this
can
also
be
a
gentrification
issue.
We
can
push
businesses
out
if
we
don't
support
them
in
the
way
that
they
need
to
be
supported,
but
that
doesn't
mean
that
we
sacrifice
our
environment.
You
know
to
not
make
the
change,
and
so
I'm
I'm
blanking
on
your
name,
sir,
but
the
the
you
were
here.
L
You
were
the
advocate
here,
giving
us
some
really
good
information,
and
I
heard
you
loud
and
clear
when
you
said:
hey,
look
we're
here
to
not
to
impose,
but
but
we're
here
to
advocate
and-
and
I
think
that
I
took
that
to
me
and
on
behalf
of
the
businesses
as
well,
and
so
let
the
city
know
let
let
your
community
know
what
you
need
in
order
to
make
this
transition.
I
don't
want
this
to
be
like
something
that
we're
imposing
on
folks
and
we're
driving
businesses
out.
L
I
really
want
it
to
be
something
that
we
can
join
hand
in
hand
and
be
collaborative
with,
so
that
we
can
improve
our
environment,
but
that
we
also
are
allowing
these
businesses,
who
often
are
staples
in
the
community
that
have
been
in
our
communities
for
a
really
long
time
to
continue
operating
that
way
and
providing
services
to
our
our
constituents.
So
thank
you
for
everyone
who
showed
up
here
today.
A
Any
discussion
any
further
discussion.
I
also
want
to
just
say
thank
you
to
the
business
owners
and
the
staff
you
know
and
looking
at
that
map.
This
is
clearly
an
equity
issue
and
it
affects
our
most
underserved.
So,
thank
you
all.
Thank
you.
Vice
chair
payne,
for
championing
this
work.
It
is
it's
clear
that
it's
very
important
to
the
people
in
this
community.
So
thank
you
all
so
very
much
seeing
no
further
discussion.
I
will
move
for
approval
of
this
item.
A
All
those
in
favor,
please
signify
by
saying
I
I
any
opposed
the
eyes
have
it
and
the
committee's
recommendation
will
be
forwarded
to
the
next
to
next
week's
council
meeting
for
final
action.
Thank
you
all
very
much.
Our
now
we'll
move
on
to
the
consent
agenda.
There
are
three
items
on
today's
consent
agenda
item
two
is
accepting
an
additional
grant
from
the
minnesota
department
of
health
and
emergency
preparedness
funds.
A
Item
three
is
authorizing
an
increase
to
the
contract
with
corner
house
interagency
for
forensic
interview,
services
and
item
four
is
directing
the
health
department
to
explore
pathways
for
supporting
a
medication,
assisted
overdose
prevention,
therapies
facilities.
Is
there
any
discussions
on
this
item
or
would
any
of
my
colleagues
like
to
pull
these
items
for
discussion.
K
K
K
A
K
M
The
question
council
member,
it
is
part
of
the
normal
investigation
process.
The
difference
with
cornerhouse
is
that
they
have
an
expertise
in
children
and
vulnerable
adults.
We
do
not
have
that
expertise,
so
we
feel
that's
very
specialized
and
obviously
we're
very
concerned
about
trauma
of
children
who
are
either
involved
in
crime
or
victims
of
crime
or
are
are
observers
of
crime
as
well,
and
so
that's
why
we
contract
with
this
particular.
C
J
A
H
A
Opposed
that
carries
and
the
consent
agenda
is
approved.
We
have
two
items
on
our
discussion
agenda
item
five
is
the
passage
of
a
resolution
declaring
august
7
through
13
2022
to
be
farmers
market
week
in
the
city
of
minneapolis,
grace
roode
from
homegrown
minneapolis
and
tony
hill
from
four
sisters.
Farmers
market
are
here
to
present
on
this
item.
Thank
you
both.
So
much
come
on
up.
N
O
N
Thank
you.
We
are
here
today
to
celebrate
the
amazing
farmers
markets
in
our
city
and
talk
about
farmers
market
week.
Thank
you,
chair,
vita
and
vice
chair
payne
for
authoring
this
resolution
to
make
august
to
13th
farmers
market
week
in
minneapolis
great.
As
a
brief
introduction.
The
homegrown
minneapolis
initiative
is
a
city
community
partnership,
expanding
our
community,
our
community's
ability
to
grow
process
distribute
eat
and
compost
more
healthy,
sustainable
and
locally
grown
foods.
N
N
N
O
O
I
guess
brings
people
together
when
I
think
about
all
the
places
that
you
can
bring
your
families.
The
farmers
market
really
helps
the
three
generations
come
together
and
overall
reconnect
to
the
land.
I
feel
as
we
move
forward
in
life
we
always
think
of
our
children
and
when
we
think
about
food,
we
want
to
be
able
to
have
food
available.
O
O
You
know
they
really
show
up
to
these
markets
with
the
intention
to
share
their
food
and
they
come
with
so
much
knowledge
and
a
unique
insight
to
a
world.
That
is
pretty
much
not
of
I
guess
we
don't
really
have
the
those
types
of
presentations
going
up.
You
know
in
our
school
systems
and
at
the
end
of
the
day
it
really
comes
down
to
you
know
how
our
sacred
elements
provide.
O
You
know
our
daily
necessities
of
life
and,
as
we
move
forward
in
our
communities
and
learn
to
learn
about
each
other
and
bring
our
surrounding
neighborhoods
together,
we
really
you
know,
uphold
these
farmers
markets
as
indigenous
people.
It
really
brings
us
back
to
a
time
when
our
people
came
together
and
we
really
shared
our
food
learned
how
to
follow
the
seasons
and
teach
one
another.
How
to
you
know,
live
a
better
healthy
life.
So,
ultimately,
a
farmers
market
is
a
wonderful
place
to
attend.
O
N
A
No
questions
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
all,
so
very.
Thank
you
so
much
for
coming
to
speak
to
us
about
your
experience
with
the
farmers
market.
That
was
beautiful.
Thank
you
so
much
and
thank
you
to
the
staff
for
continuing
to
provide
these
resources
and
ensuring
that
we
have
farmers
markets
in
the
city
of
minneapolis.
I
really
do
appreciate
that.
Just
one
quick
question,
though,
what's
a
mini
market
like
what's
the
difference.
L
I
know
that
I
spend
my
weekends
there.
You
know
every
morning
whether
it's
just
grabbing
coffee
or
some
you
know
kombucha
from
a
vendor
buying
produce.
I
think
it's.
I
think
it's
incredibly
important.
So
I
want
to
thank
you
all
for
this
resolution,
but
also
just
thank
you
for
the
beautiful
environment
that
I
that
that
that
you've
helped
create
here
in
our
city,
and
so
so.
Thank
you.
That's
all.
A
All
thank
you
seeing
no
further
discussion,
I'll
move
for
approval
of
this
item.
All
those
in
favor,
please
signify
by
saying
aye
any
opposed
that
carries,
and
this
item
is
approved
and
will
be
forwarded
to
next
week's
council
meeting.
Our
last
item
is
also
a
discussion
item.
The
next
item
is
receiving
an
overview
of
the
community
safety
project
from
leadership
for
a
networked
world
at
harvard
university.
A
P
P
So
thank
you
for
for
your
time
on
this
and
would
be
happy
to
take
questions
as
we
go
through
these
this
deck
or
if
you
want
to
wait
until
the
end.
So,
first
of
all,
it's
wonderful
to
be
here.
I
am
a
minneapolis
resident
born
and
raised
in
the
south
side
of
minneapolis.
My
apologies
to
our
north
side
council
members.
P
So
the
city
is
very
near
and
dear
to
my
heart,
all
my
most.
All
of
my
family
is
here,
except
for
one
brother,
who's
in
the
military
and
based
in
colorado.
So
most
of
my
work
here
in
my
team
is
doing
the
work
in
a
pro
bono,
nature
and
but
coming
at
this
work
from
a
sense
of
civic
duty
really
and
to
try
and
help
as
much
as
we
can
the
city
to
to
move
forward
with
safe
and
thriving
communities.
P
We
were
brought
in
to
do
this
work
to
help
really
the
city
with
some
research
and
thinking
of
just
ideas,
to
bring
forward
that
may
help
the
city
to
get
to
better
outcomes
overall
in
public
safety,
but
also
human
services
and
some
of
the
other
services
that
are
a
part
of
that
overall
ecosystem,
which
I'll
talk
about
really
coming
at
this
from
really
kind
of
three
big
lenses.
First.
Is
that
the
acknowledgement
that
the
community
wants
new
forms
of
outcomes
from
public
safety?
P
P
So
looking
at
an
array
of
services
and
programs
and
initiatives
and
organizations
that
can
bring
that
forward
and
then
thoroughly
looking
to
make
sure
that
the
service
mix,
all
those
services
and
capabilities
are
integrated
to
a
certain
degree,
so
that
there's
better
collaboration,
the
community
knows
where
to
go.
So
there
is
many
front
doors
for
you
know
one
act,
you
know
seamless
access
point
for
community
members
and
that
they
understand
what
is
available
to
them
to
get
to
these.
P
These
new
forms
of
outcomes
we're
looking
at
this
from
somewhat
of
a
research
based
lens,
as
I
mentioned,
and
and
taking
a
look
at
the
city
and
saying
what
are
the
different
areas
along
a
continuum
that
might
help
us
over
time
to
get
to
new
types
of
services
to
ramp
up
certain
services
that
are
that
are
currently
in
and
innovation
stages
or
that
are
that
are
in
pilot
stages.
And
how
do
they
work
together
in
order
to
get
two
new
outcomes?
P
So
there's
four
major
categories:
we're
looking
at
in
that
type
of
research.
Much
of
this
is
driven
by
not
only
looking
at
other
cities
and
our
expertise
in
the
various
domains
from
this
from
the
team
that
I'm
working
with,
but
also
from
talking
with
a
lot
of
community
members
and
experts
that
are
already
working
in
minneapolis
and
trying
to
bring
new
ideas
forward.
P
So
on
this
screen,
there
you'll
see
four
major
categories:
one
is
prevention,
oriented
services
really
looking
at
upstream
type,
work
that
can
prevent
bad
things
from
happening
downstream
intervention
which
is
really
kind
of
real-time
response
and
and
what
the
city
may
need
to
have
for
capabilities.
In
order
to
respond
to
certain
urgent
needs
in
the
city,
but
also
restoration
services,
what
do
we
need
in
the
city
to
make
sure
that
we
can
reintegrate
people
that
may
have
had
a
challenge
that
we
can
provide
a
better
pathway
to
sustainable,
safe
and
thriving
communities
and
resilience?
P
O
P
Definition
of
those
four
categories,
but
looking
at
it
from
that
lens,
are
there
things.
The
city
is
already
doing
that
lift
up
these
four
categories
that
the
city
could
be
doing
to
develop
new
services
and
capabilities
on
this,
and
where
should
things
be
scaled
up,
potentially
in
order
to
bring
new
solutions
forward?
P
Also
looking
at
how
this
how
this
works
in
the
sense
of
an
ecosystem?
So
right
now,
one
thing
as
a
preliminary
finding
from
all
of
our
discussions
and
research
is
that
there
are
a
lot
of
really
good
things
happening.
Not
much
of
it
is
connected
in
the
city,
so
there's
a
real
lack
of
collaboration
and
coordination
across
a
lot
of
city
departments
as
well
as
non-profit
organizations,
community-based
organizations
that
are
working
in
a
sphere.
P
This
slide
here
is
just
a
prelim,
a
partial
list
of
of
the
number
of
organizations
we've
talked
to
we've
had
north
of
100
interviews
across
the
city.
With
you
know,
agencies
from
the
city
with
community
based
organizations
with
council
members,
some
of
you,
I've
talked
with
most
of
health
department,
hennepin
county
state
level
organizations
all
looking
at
this
particular
issue.
Have
they
all
have
ideas,
so
we've
been
talking
with
all
of
them
in
at
least
one
hour,
research
interviews
to
gain
their
ideas
and
their
expertise
as
to
what's
working.
P
P
I
should
mention
as
well
that
our
our
macro
lens
for
this
is
really
looking
at
the
long
term.
So
what
is
the
future
of
safe
and
thriving
communities
potentially
look
like
so
our
window,
so
to
say,
is
if
we
could
jump
ahead,
say
five
years
or
so,
and
have
a
really
rigorous,
robust,
responsive
system
in
place?
What
do
we
need
to
do?
What
could
that
look
like,
and
what
do
we
need
to
do
today
to
start
building
towards
that?
P
So,
while
work,
for
example,
from
the
mayor's
work
group,
is
very
much
near
term,
relatively
tactical
good
ideas
to
implement
now,
my
team's
work
is
a
bit
more
future
oriented
that
will
take.
You
know
more
planning
and
that
will
be
phased
in
over
time
to
the
degree
that,
of
course,
the
city
leadership
would
like
to
face
that,
and
so
again,
more
future
oriented
work
around
that
where
we're
going
next
with
the
next.
P
We
are
also,
as
part
of
that,
looking
a
bit
to
help
the
city
in
the
part
three
there
with
planning
around
consent,
decrees
and
building
in
some
of
the
capabilities
that
would
be
needed
there.
Knowing
that
all
of
you
and
the
new
commissioner
coming
in
the
interim
chief
of
police
or
any
new
police
chief
chief
of
police
coming
in
the
mayor
of
course,
will
have
a
number
of
different
plans
and
work
groups
and
findings
to
factor
in
assessments
and
demands
from
federal
doj
and
the
state
et
cetera.
P
O
P
The
new
commissioner,
for
example,
that
person
will
have
a
pretty
clear
timeline
and
set
of
actions
and
deliverables
that
could
potentially
reach
this
future
state
that
we're
outlining
in
the
report
again
to
the
degree
of
which
the
city
wants
to
to
move
forward
on
that.
So
we
have
a
overview
here
of
essentially
just
kind
of
the
the
sections
of
the
report,
as
you
can
see,
and
this
will
again
land
with
you
all
soon,
but
one
first
section
is
looking
at
again
this
continuum
of
services.
P
This
ecosystem,
so
really
packaging
that
up
to
better
understand
what
the
city
can
do.
The
second
second
section
will
be
around
9-1-1
infrastructure
and
agile
service
delivery.
So
if
we
said
here's
a
number
of
services
in
this
continuum
that
the
city
should
have
to
have
this
really
robust
ecosystem
that
wraps
around
individuals
and
families
and
communities.
P
How
does
911
then
need
to
be
able
to
respond
to
be
able
to
deploy
that
in
a
real
agile
way
if
they
have
to
mix
and
match
capabilities,
for
example,
and
send
out
different
types
of
of
providers
to
a
certain
community
need
dynamically?
What
capabilities
do
they
need
to
have
to
do
that,
so
helping
911
with
that
piece,
and
then
three,
as
I
mentioned,
is
having
a
new
operational
platform
for
mpd
in
order
to
better
integrate,
and
then,
lastly,
is
designing.
P
The
future
is
pulling
it
all
together
so
plan
on
paper
as
to
how
to
phase
this
in
over
time
just
wanted
to
mention
as
well.
We
do
have
a
pretty
robust
team
working
on
this
led
by
me.
We
also
have
health
management
associates
and
two
principals
there
that
are
working
historically
in
health
and
human
services,
so
they've
been
digging
in
and
looking
at
this
from
the
human
services
lens
and
what
the
what's
happening
with
capabilities
there.
P
We
have
the
university
of
chicago
and
their
health
lab
and
their
urban
lab.
They
are
working
nationwide,
actually
on
on
how
the
nation
should
be
looking
at
transformation
of
9-1-1
they're,
taking
all
those
findings
and
best
practices
and
tailoring
that
to
minneapolis
working
with
the
minneapolis
911
teams
to
to
look
at
all
the
capabilities
needed.
P
Human
capital
requirements
needed
technology
and
systems
in
order
to
have
911
ready
to
go
as
well
as
we
have
a
gentleman
danny
murphy,
who's
kind
of
deep
into
analytics
and
technology,
and
has
worked
in
new
orleans
police
department
in
baltimore,
with
their
reforms
and
translating
that
to
minneapolis.
And
so
you
know
an
array
of
people
here
and
expertise
that
are
that
are
working
on
this
plan,
for
you
so
wanted
to
provide
that
broad
overview.
P
J
J
How
are
you
thinking
about
leadership
in
this
space
when
we're
going
from
this
abstract
concept?
To
now
we're
actually
an
implementation
phase
to
the
point
of
having
to
consider
our
leader
of
this
work
and
how?
How
do
you
think
about
it
in
terms
from
an
implementation
perspective
of
a
law
enforcement
approach
versus
a
public
health
approach
when
you're
thinking
about
it?
In
that
bigger
picture.
P
P
The
way
I
guess
personally
and
professionally,
I
view
this
and
I
think,
to
to
a
degree
that
will
be
reflected
in
the
report
as
well,
is
that
we
need
to
start
moving
nationwide,
but
but
in
minneapolis,
because
we
want
to
be
at
the
forefront
of
this
right
and
just
as
an
aside,
what
I
would
like
to
mention
as
well
is
I,
from
a
you
know,
from
a
resident
perspective.
This
is
my
hometown.
I
would
love
to
see
minneapolis
be
the
leader
of
this
nationwide,
so
that
so
that
other
cities
will.
P
In
five
years,
and
hopefully
10
years
and
say
this
is
one
of
the
best
public
safety
organizations
in
the
country
right,
we
have
a
lot
of
way
a
long
ways
to
go,
but
I
think
we
can
get
there
so
part
way
to
get.
There
is
to
mystery
paint
is
to
I
think,
to
start
having
leadership
that
can
look
at
all
these
services
and
solutions
as
capabilities
right
to
look
beyond
the
organizational
boundaries.
P
This
isn't
just
about
sworn
officers.
It's
not
just
about
mpd,
it's
not
just
about
the
other
organizations
that
are
in
this,
but
all
of
them
have
capabilities
that
can
be
brought
to
the
community
in
order
to
solve
problems,
and
if
one,
then
that
leadership
and
and
the
people
that
are
putting
us
together
can
look
at
this.
From
that
lens,
we
can
get
past
a
lot
of
the
you
know.
Previous
lack
of
coordination
and
collaboration-
that's
been
put
in
place
two.
P
It
also
gives
the
city
a
sense
of
where
what
needs
to
be
built
up
over
time.
So
theoretically,
for
example,
if
the
city
was
had
consensus,
that
we
don't
necessarily
need
as
many
police
officers
as
we
would
think,
we
need
right
now.
The
question
then
is
well
what
do
we
need
and
then
you
have
other
capabilities
that
might
need
to
be
built
up
so
in
10
years
on
just
completely
hypothetical,
but
maybe
the
right
balance
is.
You
have
500
sworn
police
officers
and
you
have
600
other
types
of
capabilities
that
are
non-sworn.
P
So
I
think
that's
the
second
big
piece
there's
a
lot
of
learning
that
can
take
place
to
find
the
right
balance
and
then
third,
which
you
kind
of
mentioned,
is
that
this
person
that
leads
that
is
going
to
all
of
us
will
have
to
really
be
looking
at.
How
do
we
collaborate
and
coordinate
in
much
better
ways
than
we
have
over
the
previous
really
generation
in
all
the
research
calls
that
we've
taken
place.
I
would
it's
probably
to
the
90th
percentile,
where
someone
has
said
we're
doing
a
lot
of
good
work
in
pockets.
F
O
J
I
got
more
questions
yeah,
you
know,
there's
a
lot
of
moving
pieces
to
public
safety
in
minneapolis.
Right
now
we
had
the
work
group
that
you'd
mentioned
that
you
know
we
have
seen
those
recommendations.
They
are
certainly
much
more
tactical
in
nature.
We
have
a
consent
decree
that
we're
in
active
negotiation
with
the
state.
We
have
a
federal
investigation.
That's
coming
through
alongside
you
know,
some
fairly
successful
alternatives
that
we've
launched
internally.
P
Yeah,
so
it's
a
fantastic
question
and,
as
you
mentioned
before,
there's
there's
a
lot
of
incoming
to
the
city,
a
lot
of
plans
and
and
demands
and
and
consent
degrees.
Potentially
so
we
are,
there,
there's
overlap
with
some
areas
and
there
there
are
gaps
right
so
where
the
overlap
is
where
we're
helping
with
this
is
particularly
from
the
lands
of
the
city's
operations
and
mpd
being
able
to
better
respond.
B
P
Have
the
infrastructure
in
place
for
things
like
consent?
Decrees,
so
helping
the
city
to
directly
minneapolis
police
department
around
things
like
how
their
records
management
systems
work,
their
analytics
work,
the
capabilities
of
people
that
need
to
be
in
that
office
and
as
well
as
the
the
team
that
would
be
necessary
within
mpd
in
the
city
to
respond
and
work
with
doj
and
a
future
monitoring
team,
for
example,
in
whatever
judge,
would
be
appointed
in
order
to
to
field
all
that
incoming.
P
The
the
road
map
that
my
team
is
providing
will
will
provide
some
some
guidance
in
that
area
in
that,
as,
for
example,
with
the
public
safety
commissioner
would
have
a
clear
sense
of
phases
in
which
we
could
be
implementing
the
work
coming
from
my
team's
plan,
but
also,
how
does
that
intersect
with
things
like
demands
from
the
consent
decree?
The,
as
many
of
you
know,
on
the
monitor
the
federal
monitor
for
seattle
consent
decree
and
then
a
couple
of
my
team
members
have
worked
directly
on
consent.
Decrees.
P
So
we
have
a
pretty
good
anticipation
of
what
of
what
the
feds
will
come
to
minneapolis
and
say
should
be
changed
and
and
what
that
would
require
right
away
for
the
city
to
be
able
to
respond,
and
so
we
are
factoring
that,
in
with
the
plan,
what
we're?
Maybe
we're
not
looking
at
are
things
around
hiring
around.
P
You
know
the
number
of
officers
that
mpd
should
have
around
their
use
of
force
policy.
Their
policies
are
on
stops
and
detentions
or
crisis
intervention.
We're
not
looking
at
any
of
those
particular
categories
of
policy
work,
looking
again
more
at
services
in
the
community,
integration
of
those
and
the
systems
and
structures
that
would
support
those.
P
J
P
Now
that's
a
good
question:
dee
we're
not
weighing
in
on
who
should
make
the
policy.
I
wouldn't
say
it
that
way,
although
I
think
the
recommendations
that
my
team
is
putting
forward
implicate
policy
right.
So
you
know,
for
example,
we'll
look
at
alternative
response.
You
know
broad
and
broadly
right
and
how
that
might
be
scaled
up.
That
is
a
policy
issue
right.
O
P
And
I
think
when
we
deliver
the
plan,
we
say
you
know
here's
areas
that
should
be
increased
over
time
to
get
better
response
in
the
community.
The
commissioner,
the
mayor,
the
council,
will
have
to
look
at
that
and
say
what
does
that
mean
from
a
policy
perspective,
then,
in
order
to
really
put
funding
behind
that,
for
example,
and
to
put
that
in
place?
B
Q
Your
your
relationship
is
a
lot
newer.
You
know
from
from
the
start,
your
broad-based
approach
is
going
to
help
us
and
our
city
get
to
where
we
need
to
go.
I
think
that
that
health
approach,
when
I
look
at
the
people
that
have
been
involved
and
you've
assembled
onto
this
team,
we
will
benefit-
is
the
city
from
this
road
map.
Q
You
know
how
does
this
fit
in
with
all
of
those
existing
initiatives
going
on
well
now,
the
number
of
those
existing
initiatives
going
on
has
only
multiplied,
and
I've
also
come
to
understand
a
little
bit
better,
that
the
best
role
that
this
initiative
can
help
us
to
play
is
to
being
the
glue
you're.
Not
yet
another
initiative.
You
are
really
helping
to
be
the
glue
as
to
how
all
of
these
different
pieces
fit
together.
Q
Q
Q
H
O
P
Okay,
yeah,
I
don't
think
first
of
all,
thank
you
councilman
palmisano
on
that
yeah,
it's
I
have.
I
have
my
team
that
we've
been
circling
minneapolis
for
a
while
at
this
right,
so
we
started
having
discussions
in
2020
shortly
after
mr
floyd's
murder
and
have
been.
You
know
in
just
kind
of
various
points
of
dialogue.
The
the
work
really
started,
though,
in
a
probably
in
about
january
of
this
year
I
mean.
P
Community
members
and
organizations-
and
so
there
was
you
know
there
were
some-
I
guess
some
inflection
points
as
to
when
we
started
this
work.
You
know
we
were
going
to
start,
you
know
in
early
2021
and
then
it
was
kind
of
like
wait
a
second,
because
we
might
change
everything
in
minneapolis
with
the
charter
amendment,
and
so
we
kind
of
paused,
you
know,
did
a
little
bit
of
research,
but
then
you
know
when
we
went
fully
in
more
recently,
and
so
so
all
the
I
guess.
P
O
P
As
you
mentioned,
it's
kind
of
the
glue
that
can
pull
these
things
together
in
one
comprehensive
way.
You
know
this
isn't
going
to
be
a
solution
for
everything,
of
course
right,
but
I
think
it
will
provide
a
really
good
sense
of
where
the
city
could
be
and
what
capabilities
are
needed
and
how
we
build
those
over
time
from
where
the
city
is
currently
and
so
we're.
You
know
very
much
caught
up
with.
O
C
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
so
thank
you
for
your
offer
of
to
have
an
individual
phone
call
and
I'd
like
to
take
you
up
on
that
in
the
near
future,
not
right
away,
but
someday
soon
and
second
of
all,
could
the
clerk
send
me
a
copy
of
that
powerpoint,
please,
thank
you
and
then.
Lastly,
I
have
a
tough
question
for
you.
Okay,.
B
C
B
P
P
In
five
to
ten
years
right,
that
being
said,
there's
a
lot
of
work
to
be
done
even
to
build
out
the
capabilities
that
will
be
outlining
the
report
that
are,
you,
know,
human
services
oriented
that
are
we
call
upstream,
you
know
prevention,
oriented
services,
there's
a
lot
of
good
work.
That's
happening,
there's
a
lot
more.
That
can
be
done,
particularly
around
coordination
of
the
things
that
are
happening
now
in
the
city.
So
a
lot
of
work
needs
to
be
done
there.
The
when
you
look
at
consent.
Decrees,
for
example
across
the
country.
P
You
know
10
years
is
pretty
fast
right
to
get
to
get
to
where
the
doj,
for
example,
would
say.
Oh
a
city
is
done.
That's
the
baseline,
though
right,
that's
like
the
the
requirement
baseline
of
policing
in
minneapolis.
Our
hope,
I
think,
is
that
we'll
even
reach
beyond
that
right.
So
in
reality
councilmember,
I
would
you
know.
I
would
anticipate
that
this
is
a
five
to
ten
year
journey
to
get
to
a
place
where
we
could
all
take
a
look
up
and
say
we
are
in
a
dramatically
better
place
than
we
were
in
2022..
P
But
that's
why
we're
all
here
right
is
to
do
this
hard
work
and
to
to
lift
that
work
up
and
to
resource
it
and
to
provide
guidance
to
it.
But
the
most
important
thing
as
lou
holt
has
said
you
say
you
know
what's
important
now
right
is
to
have
the
plan
in
place
to
do
that,
so
we
can
start
actually
working
on
that,
and
so
I
think
this
plan,
in
addition
to
all
of
your
thoughts
and
ideas,
will
help
form
the
ground.
P
C
L
L
I
want
to
thank
you
for
the
presentation
I
I
I
this
is
work
that
we
all
care
about
that
I
care
about,
and
I
think
that
you
know
kind
of
the
council
member
rangeville's
point.
We
can't
actually
achieve
safety
in
our
city
if
we
have
a
police
department,
that's
in
violation
of
the
constitution,
that's
in
violation,
that's
violating
people's
rights
that
that
doesn't
function
correctly
right.
L
P
P
O
P
P
As
you
look
at
this
plan,
there
will
be
an
array
of
areas
there
that's
going
to
require
your
involvement
to
create
the
conditions
of
success
for
for
that
to
move
forward,
whether
it's
from
funding
or
it's
from
you
know,
just
purely
galvanizing
support
from
stakeholders
to
you
know
to
providing
the
atmosphere.
I
guess
you
could
say
of
leadership
in
the
city
in
order
to
move
some
of
these
things
forward
and
to
understand
the
integrated
nature
of
these.
P
P
And
the
blood
is
still
there
actually
today
I
stepped
over
it
walking
because
you
know
it's
like
didn't
the
rain
help
with
this
right.
So
there's
you
know,
there's
issues
there,
but
also
we
can't
solve
a
lot
of
those
crime
issues
unless
we
have
a
policing
organization
that
is
trusted
by
the
community,
because
we're
never
going
to
be
able
to
solve.
For
example,
a
lot
of
you
know
murders
that
go
unsolved
because
there's
not
enough
trust
to
give
information
to
the
police
right.
So
there's
things
that
this
works
together
in
certain
ways
and.
L
Failing
to
abide
by
the
constitution
is
not
a
good,
it's
not
a
good,
solid
ground
to
stand
on.
I
the
other
question
that
I
had,
and-
and
maybe
this
can't
be
answered
in
this
moment,
but
I
I
I
love
the
approach.
I
think
that
often
week
you
know
to
this
work.
How
do
we
solve
the
problem
right?
That's
really
what
I
saw
in
your
presentation,
and
I
think
that
often
especially
in
a
place
like
minnesota,
we
will
tell
ourselves
even
through
our
disagreements.
L
Well
at
least
we
all
want
the
same
thing.
We
all
want
the
same
thing
you'll
hear
folks
say
that,
and
I
think
that
in
my
experience
you
know
it's
not
always
quite
true
right.
You
might
have
some
folks
who
are
asking:
how
do
we
solve
the
violence
in
our
community
and
meanwhile
you're
working
with
folks
who
are
asking?
How
do
we
preserve
the
institution
that
I
like
that?
I
know,
and
and
and
in
that
space
you
know
things
like
innovation
can
kind
of
be
thrown
out.
L
P
That's
a
big
question:
councilman
allison,
I
you
know,
I
think
one
thing
I
would
start
with
is
just
to
is
to
remind
all
of
us
that
the
policing
function,
of
course
at
least,
has
multiple
goals.
One
is
to
enforce
laws.
The
other
historically
is
to
is
to
enforce
a
certain
social
order
right
and
so
oftentimes.
P
P
H
P
O
P
Thing-
and
I
think
you
know
well,
my
team's
plan
isn't
directly
addressing
things
like
here's.
What
you
do
about.
You
know
gun
violence
next
month,
it's
again
looking
more
future
oriented
and
more
upstream
it
can
start
to.
You
can
start
building
the
platform,
though,
to
get
better
community
based
outcomes
that
brings
other
types
of
crimes
down
in
order
right
so
but
and
then
simultaneously
you
have
to
be
working
on
those
near
term
things
as
well,
so
again.
H
P
L
K
Thank
you,
chair
vitan.
Thank
you,
dr
o'telly.
I
think
many
of
my
colleagues
are
aware
that
I've
been
a
staunch
supporter
of
us
moving
towards
a
comprehensive
public
safety
system,
and
you
know
glad
that
you're
here
to
somewhat
spell
that
out
in
the
work
that
you've
been
doing
with
the
city.
I
just
have
two
questions,
one
that
kind
of
follows
up
to
something
that
council
member
ellison
raised,
but
also
one
thing
that
you
raised.
K
If
you
could
spell
out
a
little
bit
more
of
you
mentioned
human
services
and
I'm,
like
I
don't
know,
I
immediately
think
like
human
resources.
What
does
that
mean
in
this
comprehensive
public
safety
framework
that
your
your
team
is
working
on
developing
with
the
city
and
then
the
second
question?
If
you
can
kind
of
spell
out
the
policy
world,
because
you
know
you
highlighted
the
the
council
in
terms
of
what
we
can
do
to
support
this
work,
it
can
happen
through
a
budgetary
standpoint
like
we
have
that
within
our
authority.
K
We
also
have
policy,
and
I
do
know
one
of
the
partners
at
the
city
that
has
been
really
crucial
in
us
developing.
Some
of
these
other,
you
know
non-armed
alternatives
or
safety
alternatives,
specifically
the
office
of
performance
and
innovation
with
the
bcr
team
and
traffic
control.
You
know
those
were
things
also
ovp
led
by
the
council,
so
it's
spelling
out
a
little
bit
more
too
and
in
the
police
policy
standpoint,
that's
within
our
legislative
authority.
You
know
how
we
can
show
up
for
this
work
too.
So
those
two
questions:
what
is
human
services?
P
Sure
yeah,
thank
you.
Councilmember
wants
lead
the
so
broadly
the
term
human
services.
I
should
have
defined
that
I
guess
on
the
slides,
but
but
it
does
it's
it's
looking
at
more
upstream
help.
You
know
health
related
services,
human
services,
violence,
prevention,
services,
community-based
services
that
lead
to
better
outcomes
in
other
in
other
policy
environments.
So
you
know
if
we
have
better
health
outcomes,
we
have
better
educational
outcomes.
They
can
get
quite
broad.
P
So
my
my
team
is,
you
know
we're
not
looking
at
how
do
we
transform
the
education
system
in
minneapolis
right,
but
but
how
does
that
ecosystem
work
together?
You
can
almost
maybe
look
at
it
as
things
that
are
that
are
upstream
from
policing.
So
if,
if
foreign
officers
are
responding
to
an
urgent
crisis,
usually
there's
all
sorts
of
things
that
happen
before
that
which
lead
to
that
form
of
bad
incident
in
the
community.
So
what
are
these
upstream
services
that
are
that?
Can
that
can
help
a
family,
an
individual.
P
Live
in
a
safer
and
healthier
environment
so
that
we
can
avoid
downstream
emergency
type
services.
So
all
those
you
know,
health,
human
services,
violence,
prevention,
you
know,
community-based
services
that
help
families
stay.
You
know
stay
safe
and
and
thriving
from
you
know
from
a
policy
perspective.
I
think
one
of
the
big
questions
that
will
that
will
come
from
this
work
is
as
we're
looking
at
this
continuum
of
services.
These
capabilities.
P
There
are
a
lot
of
things
that
the
city
is
working
on
now
that
are
in
pilot
phase
or
that
are
that
have
been
spearheaded
by
city
council
things
like
canopy,
for
example,
and
and
the
fantastic
work
that
ovp
has
done.
Historically,
around
experimentation
and
innovation
and
certain
violence
response,
violence
prevention
categories
will
be
hum.
P
The
plan
will
say
how
should
these
maybe
be
scaled
up
in
the
future
right,
and
what
can
we
do
to
make
those
more
integrated
and
robust,
and
so
that,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
will
require
a
policy
response
as
well
to
say
how
much
is
the
city
willing
to
invest
in
this?
You
know
if
we
say
canopy
should
have
I'm
not
sure
the
exact
number,
but
maybe
there
should
be
eight
vans
in
minneapolis
to
cover
all
the
different
precincts
and
n
number
of
people
that
are
responding
as
part
of
canopy.
P
B
P
With
you
and
will
be
quite
integral
to
you
know
how
to
the
pace
at
which
the
city
can
build
out
all
these
services
over
time
to
get
to
something
better.
So
I
think,
and
I'd
be
more
than
happy
when
the
plan
is
done
to
come
in
and
talk
about
those
different
policy
implications
and
questions,
whether
it's
in
a
public
hearing
or
if
we
want
to
just
sit
down
and
talk
about
it.
B
B
A
Certainly,
thank
you.
Thank
you
so
much
dr
optelly.
For
your
time,
I
would
encourage
my
colleagues
who
haven't
had
a
chance
to
meet
with
you
on
a
one-on-one
to
do
so.
My
team
really
appreciated
the
very
long
morning
you
dedicated
to
the
ward
4
office,
and
I
learned
a
lot
about.
What's
going
on
behind
the
scenes
in
this
city,
a
lot
of
the
work
that
you
and
your
team
are
doing.
I
had
no
idea
that
it
was
happening
and
thanks
to
vice
chair
payne,
for
bringing
it
up
because
he
was
really
pushing.
A
P
Some
of
the
outputs
of
that
would
be
more
than
happy,
though,
to
have
more
discussions
with
that
office
to
see
things
around
future
planning.
I
know,
for
example,
looking
at
you
know,
problem
nature,
codes
coming
out
of
a
9-1-1,
and
you
know,
alternative
response
is
a
thing
that
is
an
area
that
that
office
is
working
on.
B
P
Would
my
team
would
definitely
like
to
be
fully
up
to
speed
on
where
that
sits
right
now,
because
it
would
impact
some
of
the
advice
that
we
provide
to
the
city?
In
addition,
we
could
potentially
help
with
some
of
that
to
to
help
accelerate
that
work,
and
so
I
think,
a
number
of
the
initiatives.
I'm
not
fully
arrested
all
the
initiatives
coming
out
of
the
office
of
performance,
innovation,
but
the.
B
P
Are
a
number
of
that
are
that
are
really
solid
right
that
I
think
we
need
to
accelerate
things
like
like
canopy
or
those
types
of
responses
and
things
that
probably,
should
you
know,
be
looked
at
even
deeper,
like
you
know,
connected
to
911
in
that
infrastructure
and
where
the
city
and
that
office
is
thinking,
it
should
go.
So
we
have
been
we've
had
discussions,
but
we
could
probably
at
this
point,
go
one
level
deeper
with
that
office.
A
P
Well,
the
so
the
report
that
that
we'll
deliver
will
have
you
know.
As
I
mentioned,
we
have
a
team
from
the
university
of
chicago
working
with
you
know,
with
my
team
has
been
interfacing
with
the
911
teams
here
that
will
be
fully
built
into
the
report,
I'm
hesitant
to
hesitate
to
say
when
we
will
deliver
that
I
am.
I
am
now
saying
early
fall
just
because
there's
there's
continuously
kind
of
new
demands
that
have
you
know
new
things
that
have
been
asked
for,
and
so
I
it'll.
P
I
P
That
they
deploy
to
communities
that
might
be
a
set
of
services
and
solutions
that
they
can
send
out.
So
what
are
they
going
to
need
around
the
infrastructure
for
that
the
systems
and,
really
importantly,
the
human
capital,
and
how
they're
trained
to
do
that
work
and
that's
implement
implementing
that
is
going
to
be
have
to
be
phased
in
right?
It's
going
to
take,
you
know,
likely
years
to
to
get
there
to
the
degree
where
they
need
to
be
in
the
future.
A
I'm
thinking
you
know
if
we
get
the
new
commissioner
of
community
safety,
the
important
work
you're
doing
really
needs
to
be
integrated
in
how
they,
you
know,
start
to
work
in
this
department.
It's
a
department
that
has
lost
a
lot
of
staff
over
the
last
couple
of
years
and
are
faced
with
a
lot
of
challenges,
and
so
you
know
the
more
work
we
can
get
together.
Get
done
together
to
build
them
up.
Is
you
know,
I'd
be
so
grateful
for
that
and
no
pressure.
P
A
P
P
Human
capital,
you
know
people
capabilities
that
that
he's
going
to
need
to
put
in
place
it's
even
to
respond
to
things
like
doj.
When,
when
the
consent
decree
comes
down
there's
I
could
probably
rattle
off
right
now.
Four
four
positions
that
mpd
does
not
really
have
right
now
that
they're
going
to
need
by
the
time
that
consent
decree
is
put
in
place,
and
so
whatever
we
can
do
to
help.
P
P
A
Sit
on
a
subcommittee
with
councilmember
ellison
and
vice
president
palmisano
around
the
consent,
decree
and
council
member
ellison,
brought
up
a
really
good
point
at
our
last
meeting
that
we
maybe
need
to
bring
others
to
the
table.
That
really
you
know
our
stakeholders
and
have
experience
in
this
process
around
the
consent
decree.
And
so
you
know,
if
you
got
some
spare
time,
maybe
you
can
join
and
bring
your
expertise.
I
know
you're
the
monitor
for
seattle
right
and
so
I'm
not
as
familiar
with
this
work.