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From YouTube: June 22, 2022 Public Health & Safety Committee
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A
A
Let
the
record
reflect
that
we
have
a
quorum.
I
also
want
to
note
that
council
rain
council
member
rainville
is
not
with
us
today.
He
is
out
at
a
league
of
cities
conference,
and
so
he
wasn't
able
to
join
but
wanted
it
to
be
on
the
record
that
he
is
out
today
with
that
the
agenda
for
today's
meeting
is
before
us.
The
first
item
is
a
public
hearing,
the
appointment
of
director
of
emergency
management.
Our
first
item
is
a
public
hearing
on
the
appointment
of
the
director
of
emergency
management.
A
This
item
was
continued
from
our
last
regular
meeting.
I'm
going
to
proceed
to
open
the
public
hearing
I'll
ask
the
clerk.
If
anyone
has
signed
up
to
speak,
if
you
have,
if
you
haven't
signed
up-
and
you
wish
to
speak,
please
see
the
clerk
to
do
so
all
right.
Seeing
no
one
wishing
to
speak
on
this
item,
I
will
now
close
the
public
hearing
I'll
now
give
the
floor
to
director
baird
lane
director
lane.
Thank
you.
D
D
I
appreciate
the
honor
and
the
opportunity
to
continue
to
serve
in
this
role
for
the
residents
and
overall
city
of
minneapolis,
so
continue
to
keep
moving
the
project
forward
and
making
sure
that
we
can
continue
to
respond
to
events
of
all
sizes
of
complexity
as
charged
under
ordinance.
So
with
that
again,
I
thank
you
for
your
support
and
for
the
continuing
honor
to
be
of
service.
C
Thank
you,
madam
chair
yeah.
I
want
to
this
is
this:
is
such
a
important
role
and
I've
gotten
to
know
you
through
our
orientation
process
and
it's
been
you've
been
extraordinarily
helpful
in
terms
of
getting
us
up
to
speed
around
some
of
the
best
practices
around
emergency
management,
the
nims
framework,
and
it's
very
clear
how
knowledgeable
you
are
on
that
and
at
the
same
time
we
have.
You
know
this
after
action
report.
C
As
a
result,
you
know
in
response
to
the
unrest-
and
I
I
just
highlighted
one
of
the
poll
quotes
as
a
kind
of
like
a
starting
point
of.
We
need
to
start
talking
about
the
leadership
breakdown.
We
need
to
be
uncomfortable
in
talking
about
this,
and
so
it
it's
uncomfortable
right.
What
we
all
went
through
was
traumatic
and
so
there's
kind
of
these
two
things
in
tension
for
me
around
emergency
management
as
a
city
right
institutionally
and
then
specifically
for
your
role.
C
You
know
the
after
action
report
gets
into
detail
around
how
good
our
emergency
management
plan
is
and
how
much
how
thorough
the
plan
was,
how
it
reflected
our
best
practices
at
a
national
level
and
then,
at
the
same
time
we
saw
how
things
fundamentally
just
fell
apart,
and
so
the
question
that
I
am
constantly
sitting
with
is
you
know,
is
the
role
of
oem
to
have
the
plan?
C
Ready
is
the
role
of
oem
to
execute
that
plan,
and
I
think
that
this
would
be
a
good
time
to
at
least
start
that
uncomfortable
conversation
of
it
was
very
clear.
There
was
a
leadership
breakdown
across
the
city,
multiple
players,
multiple
responsibilities.
I'd
just
like
to
hear
your
perspective.
You
know
kind
of
two
years
on
what
lessons
might
be
applied
going
forward.
D
Through
the
chair,
councilwoman
payne,
it's
not
an
uncomfortable
question
at
all.
I
think
it's
exactly
the
question
to
ask,
and
I
think
it's
one
that,
as
we've
been
looking
and
wrestling
with
the
after-action
report,
and
even
before
that
those
are
the
questions
that
we
in
our
shop-
and
I
know
in
conversation
with
other
leadership
within
the
city-
are
asking
ourselves.
You
know
when
I
talk
about
this,
and
you
know
many
people
want
to
know.
What's
what
happened
there?
D
D
What
we're
being
charged
to
do
with
going
forward
is,
with
our
nims
reset,
just
make
sure
that
engagement
or
that
disengagement
doesn't
happen
again,
that
we
fully
integrate
our
incident
command
level
functions
with
the
instant
support
functions
with
the
policy
group
and
with
the
joint
information
center
and
as
a
result,
you
know.
Our
plan
going
forward
here
is
to
go
and
look
at
each
of
those
components
make
sure
they
work
in
themselves,
but
also
test
and
validate
the
connection
of
those
components
with
each
other.
D
So
I'm
actually
quite
hopeful
that,
as
we
go
forward
with
this,
we're
going
to
dig
into
the
into
the
issues
surrounding
that
and
that
we're
going
to
resolve
them,
because,
ultimately,
if
we
want
to
go
to
that
capstone
integrated
emergency
management
course
at
the
federal
level,
it
will
not
do
to
have
a
disconnect
between
instant
command
and
insulin
coordination,
as
we
saw
during
2020.
It
simply
will
not
do
and
I
we're
certainly
committed
to
making
sure
that
doesn't
happen
again.
D
As
I've
said
in
other
contexts,
I
mean
it's
sort
of
like
buying
the
most
expensive
exercise
bike
you
can,
but
if
you
don't
get
on
it
and
pedal
it
you're
not
going
to
get
any
fitness
out
of
it.
So
we're
standing
by
we
are
ready
to
engage
as
soon
as
we
can,
but
ultimately
it's
not
our
job
to
be
first
responders.
D
We
are
essentially
second
responders
and
we
kick
in
when
that
incident
command
gets
the
point
where
they
want
to
engage
with
us
and
that's
that
interface
is
what
broke
down
during
that
during
that
time
period.
Lots
of
lessons
to
be
learned
in
that
space
and
I
don't
think
we
should
back
away
from
that
at
all.
I
mean
that's
exactly
what
happened
and
that's
what
we
need
to
fix.
C
And
when
you
say
oem
wasn't
engaged,
you
know
in
a
kind
of
hypothetical
alternative
reality
where
that
leadership
breakdown
didn't
exist.
Is
that
that
means
the
mayor's
engaging
the
police
chief
is
engaging.
The
fire
chief
is
engaging.
I'm
just
trying
to
understand
the
kind
of
passive
versus
proactive
responsibility
of
the
office.
D
I
think
if
you,
if
you
look
at
it
from
that
perspective,
the
the
police
department
decided
to
simply
run
this
on
their
own,
and
you
know
there's
nothing
that
we
can
do
to
override
that
decision
in
the
in
retrospect.
That
obviously
didn't
work
very
well,
but
there
was
some
precedent
for
that.
D
If
you
go
back
and
look
at
some
of
the
planned
events
that
we've
had
there's
a
very
similar
system
that
was
set
up
and
they
used
the
system
that
they
had
should
that
have
happened
in
my
opinion,
no,
we
want
to
make
sure
we're
looking
forward
that
we
don't
find
in
that
ourselves
to
be
doing
that
again,
but
one
of
the
things
as
I
was
hired
is
in
the
past.
So
one
there's
a
push
pull
here,
another
one.
D
There
was
a
perception,
as
I
was
hired,
that
emergency
management
director
was
interfering
too
much
in
incident
command
that
they
intersect
was
essentially
inserting
themselves
as
a
alternate
incident
commander.
If
you
will
and
that's
out
of
bounds
too,
I
can't
simply
insert
myself
and
and
run
the
fire
or
the
police
response
or
anything
else.
That's
that
is
certainly
not
my
role,
and
one
of
the
things
we're
trying
to
do
in
building
systems
is
make
sure
that
we
have
clearly
delineated
functions
but
that
those
functions
in
themselves
work.
D
C
It
does
and,
and
then
like
the
last
thing,
that
kind
of
comes
that
hits
my
mind
as
I
reflect
on
you
know.
I
mean
we
all
live
through
that
trauma
together
is
what's
the
accountability
that
actually
happened
as
a
result
of
the
fit
like
there's
like.
I
think
we
all
agree.
There
was
failures.
C
My
question
is
what
was
the
accountability
associated
with
those
failures
and
I
struggled
to
even
say
who
was
held
accountable
in
that
like
in
the
response
to
that
era?
Right
we,
we
have
all
the
main
players,
either
still
in
the
city
or
have
retired,
without
really
any.
You
know
what
I
mean
it's
like:
they
were
at
the
end
of
their
career,
they
got
their
pensions
and
they
retired.
C
I
don't
have
a
clear
line
of
accountability
when
I
think
about
our
response
to
the
murder
of
george
floyd
and
the
subsequent
uprising,
and
I
just
I'm
struggling
in
our
role
as
council
members
of
like
holding
this
institution
accountable.
What
does
that
look
like
in
practice,
and
I
haven't
really
seen
what
that
actually
looks
like
in
practice?
D
Manager
and
councilwoman
payne-
I
guess
I
would
reframe
this.
It
seems
to
me
that
accountability
there
are
two
aspects
of
one
of
is
sort
of
a
a
sense
that
you
hold
someone
accountable,
but
to
me,
accountability
is
about
looking
forward
as
well,
and
you
know
I
would,
with
respect
kind
of
reframe
that
question
a
little
bit
and
talk
about
you
know.
How
are
we
learning?
How
are
we
committing
to
go
forward
in
a
different
way,
regardless
of
the
level
of
breakdown
that
we
had
during
2020?
D
Any
of
these
systems
can
be
overwhelmed.
If
cal
fire
can
be
overwhelmed,
we
could
be
overwhelmed.
No,
were
there
lots
of
reasons
that
that
you
know
that's
not
a
completely
apple
staples
yeah
absolutely,
but
it
seems
to
me
the
core
of
accountability
here
is
to
make
sure
that
you
know.
We
do
in
fact
learn
our
lessons
and
it
says
on
my
whiteboard:
lessons
are
not
learned
until
behavior
changes.
D
I
don't
think
that
we
have
consistently
seen
behavior
change
across
the
enterprise.
I
mean,
I
think,
that's
just
true.
Am
I
looking
forward
to
that
yeah?
If
I
didn't
believe
that
was
happening,
I
wouldn't
be
standing
here
before
you.
If
I
didn't
have
confidence
that
as
a
team
going
forward,
that
we
were
going
to
see
actual
behavior
changes
as
a
result
of
all
this
work.
D
I
I
really
just
don't
think
I'd
be
all
that
interested
to
be
honest
with
you,
but
I
do
believe
that
this
this
organization
is
capable
of
accountability,
a
sense
of
self-improvement
of
learning
lessons
and
having
a
different
approach
to
the
service
that
we
see
out
in
the
community,
recognizing
that
there's
always
going
to
be
limits
to
that.
So
you
know
none
of
these
folks
ultimately
report
to
me
and
that's
part
of
your
other
question.
D
D
I
learned
how
to
ballroom
dance
before
we
got
married
and
I
will
tell
you
from
firsthand
yeah
I
tried
I
tried,
but
you
know,
if
you're
not
both
dancing,
if
you
don't
both
know
what
you're
doing
it's
difficult
for
both
partners
and
I
think
what
we
have
here
is
just
commit
ourselves
to
going
back
to
the
dance
lessons
and
making
sure
we
don't
step
on
each
other's
toes
and
then,
when
we
get
to
the
wedding
dance.
We'll
look
good
in
front
of
the
old
folks
who
like
to
see
people
dance
at
wedding
dances.
D
A
A
My
husband
agreed
to
always
wear
christmas
sweaters
before
we
remember
so
I
get
where
she's
going
with
that.
I
I
really
do
appreciate
the
work
you've
been
doing,
though,
on
the
heels
of
the
after
action
report.
I
think
you've
taken
a
proactive
approach
and
that's
really
good
for
our
city.
I
mean
you
just
said
it
now.
It
is
a
hard
time
it's
hard
conversations,
but
you've
once
again
stepped
up
and
want
to
do
the
work
to
make
things
better.
A
So
I
appreciate
that
I
know
that
you've
served
as
the
president
of
the
association
of
minnesota
emergency
managers
and
I
think
that's
a
reflection
of
what
your
peers
think
of
you
in
this
work
and
also
you're,
no
stranger
to
complex
things,
complex
challenges.
You
know,
you've
been
mastering
a
lot
of
these
things
that
don't
get
a
lot
of
air
time.
A
A
lot
of
people
don't
even
understand
the
work
that
you
do
because
a
lot
of
it
is
behind
the
scenes
and
you
know
you're
doing
a
good
job
of
it,
and
I'm
I'm
here
to
support
you
today.
I
really
do
appreciate
again
you
stepping
up
in
this
time
in
these
challenging
times
and
going
one
more
round,
at
least
with
us,
in
this
role.
So
thank
you.
A
A
So
there
are
seven
items
on
today's
consent
agenda
item
two
is
set
in
a
public
hearing
for
july
13
2022
to
consider
an
ordinance
amending
regulations
related
to
paint
facilities,
equipment
and
products
containing
volatile
organic
compounds.
Item
three
is
approving
appointment
to
the
minneapolis
advisory
committee
on
aging
item.
E
Thank
you,
chair
vita.
I
just
had
a
question
for
any
staff
who
could
speak
to
item
number
five.
Well,
all
right.
F
E
Hi
good
afternoon
good
afternoon,
so
I
just
had
a
quick
question
so
thordan
or
in
demon
thornton
seems
like
a
person
with
you
know
a
lot
of
experience
in
the
carceral
system,
but
not
much
with
police.
The
two
other
applicants
that
I
read
over
seem
to
have
more
directly
relevant
experience.
E
You
know
I
know
one
was
a
hennepin
county
public
defender
and
wrote
in
his
application
that
you
know
as
a
result
of
his
extensive
experience,
interacting
with
police
and
community.
You
know
they
had
been
excited
to
bring
that
expertise
to
this
particular
panel.
The
other
candidate
also
worked
extensively
with
the
minnesota
data
practices
and
public
employment
labor
relations
in
their
role,
I'm
doing
employment
law
for
educators.
E
So
I
just
want
to
know
you
know
what
was
some
of
the
thought
process
processes
behind
determining
you
know,
demon
thornton
was
was
more
of
a
fitting
or
candidate
for
this
position
than
those
two
other
candidates
that
seem
to
have
more
relevant
experience
for
this
particular
role
or
panel.
F
Sure
absolutely
council,
chair
vita
council
member
wellesley.
We
had
a
panel
of
an
opcr
investigator
myself,
a
former
chair
of
mccr
and
a
formal,
firmer
vice
chair
of
the
pcoc,
attend
these
interviews.
They
were
all
involved
in
the
interview
process
pleasure
in
addressing
all
of
these
interviews.
We
thought
that
anne
thornton
provided
the
most
well-rounded
answers
and
approaches
to
the
interview
questions
itself.
E
And
just
follow
up
distinguishing,
you
mentioned
the
interviews
that
it
seems,
like
you
know,
the
op
cr
members
that
was
like
the
in
person
or
like
more
direct
interview
that
they
got
to
follow
up
with
after
submitting
their
application.
Then
yes,
so.
F
F
It
was
yes,
it
was
virtual
and
we
had
all
of
all
of
the
interviews
were
held
virtually
yes,
okay,.
E
C
This
is
around
an
ordinance
that
is
aiming
to
improve
our
air
quality,
and
so
the
health
department
approached
my
office
to
bring
this
issue
to
my
attention-
and
I
enthusiastically
signed
on
as
the
author
for
this,
and
this
is
work
that
started
last
summer,
around
working
in
the
community,
doing
community
engagement
around
the
technology
used
for
auto
body
shops
and
and
paint
booths
and
removing
solvents
from
those
that
equipment,
so
that
we
can
ultimately
help
improve
our
air
quality
and
advance
our
climate
action
goals.
C
So
I
just
want
to
give
thanks
to
the
health
department.
Specifically,
our
office
has
been
working
with
senior
environmental
research.
Analyst,
jenny,
lansing
and
all
credit
is
due
to
the
health
department
for
helping
get
this
across
the
finish
line,
and
I'm
looking
forward
to
hearing
from
the
community
about
this.
So.
A
Thank
you
vice
chairper,
any
further
discussion
seeing
none.
I
will
move
for
approval
of
the
consent
agenda,
all
those
in
favor.
Please
say
I
I,
those
opposed,
nay
that
carries
and
the
consent
agenda
is
approved,
seeing
no
further
business
before
us
and
without
objection.
I
will
declare
this
meeting
adjourned.