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A
All
right
good
evening,
everyone
welcome
to
the
regular
meeting
of
the
City
Planning
Commission
today
is
Monday
July
17th.
My
name
is
Alyssa
Olson
I'm,
the
president
of
the
Planning
Commission,
the
city
will
be
recording
and
posting
this
meeting
to
the
city's
website
and
YouTube
channel
as
a
means
of
increasing
Public,
Access
and
transparency.
This
meeting
is
public
and
subject
to
the
Minnesota
open
meeting
law.
At
this
time,
I'll
ask
the
clerk
to
please
call
the
roll.
B
C
A
Got
eight
members
present
all
right,
we
have
a
quorum.
I
know,
there's
a
lot
of
you
in
the
room.
What
we're
gonna
do
is
organize
our
agenda,
so
we
know
which
items
are
going
to
be
on
consent
and
discussion
and
then
once
we
have
that-
and
you
know,
if
your
item
is
going
to
be
discussed
or
not,
if
you
would
like
to
there's
a
room
across
the
hall
that
is
broadcasting
what
you
see
on
the
screen
here.
A
A
So
next
we'll
proceed
to
the
agenda,
a
copy
of
which
was
posted
for
public
access
to
the
city's
legislative
information
management
system,
which
is
available
at
limbs.m,
Minneapolis,
mn.gov
I,
believe
there
are
also
some
on
the
counter
over
there
we'll
begin
with
acceptance
of
the
minutes
from
June
26
2023
could
I
have
a
motion
to
accept
those
minutes.
A
A
A
If
you
disagree
with
the
staff
recommendation,
you
can
raise
your
hand
and
let
me
know-
and
we
will
put
that
item
on
our
discussion
agenda.
Everyone
will
be
given
two
minutes
to
speak.
There'll
be
a
timer
right
here,
that'll
count
down,
so
you
know
how
much
time
you
have
left.
But
that
way
you
know
obviously
there's
a
lot
of
you.
So
we
want
to
respect
everyone's
time
and
make
sure
everyone
gets
an
opportunity
to
speak.
A
So
with
that,
the
following
items
are
on
the
agenda.
For
this
evening.
Item
number
four
is
2730
through
2740
First,
Avenue
South.
This
is
the
Simpson
Housing
Services
project,
and
this
item
is
on
our
consent
agenda
and
will
not
have
a
public
hearing
item
number
five
land
sales,
Minneapolis
homes,
financing
program.
This
item
is
also
on
our
consent
and
will
not
have
a
public
hearing
item
number.
Six
is
2648.
Marshall
Street
Northeast
staff
is
recommending
this
item
for
consent.
Is
there
anyone
here
to
speak
against
staff
recommendation
on
item
number
six.
D
President
Olson,
we
actually
have
a
last
minute
continuance
recommendation
for
this
item
due
to
the
identification
of
an
additional
application.
So
there
may
be
people
here
to
speak
because
we
did
notice
the
public
hearing.
But
the
recommendation
is
a
one
cycle
continuance
to
the
July
31st
meeting.
Okay,.
A
Okay,
yes,
we
will
have
an
public
hearing
for
the
items
that
are
continued.
If
you
came
today
and
wanted
to
speak
on
those
items,
you
can
make
your
comments
today
for
the
future.
A
All
right
item
number
seven
is
2600.
26Th,
Street,
East
and
staff
is
recommending
this
item
for
consent.
Is
there
anyone
here
to
speak
against
staff
recommendation
on
item
number?
Seven:
okay,
seeing
none
we'll
put
item
seven
on
consent
item
8
is
301
7th,
Avenue,
North,
615,
3rd
Street,
North
and
306th
Avenue
North
Steph
is
recommending
this
item
for
consent.
Is
there
anyone
here
to
speak
against
staff?
Recommendation
on
item
number?
Eight,
all
right,
seeing
none
we'll
put
item
8
on
consent.
A
Item
number:
nine
is
2110
through
21
14
23rd
Avenue
North
staff
is
recommending
this
item
for
consent.
Is
there
anyone
here
to
speak
against
staff
recommendation
on
item
number?
Nine,
all
right,
seeing
none
we'll
put
item
nine
on
consent
item
10
is
24
32
Chicago
Avenue
staff
is
recommending.
This
item
for
consent
is
their
own.
Anyone
here
to
speak
against
staff
recommendation
for
item
number
10.,
okay,
we'll
put
item
10
on
our
discussion
agenda.
A
Are
off
okay,
so
item
number
10
will.
E
A
Well:
okay:
item
number
11,
3,
Franklin,
Avenue,
East
staff
is
recommending
this
item
for
consent.
Is
there
anyone
here
to
speak
against
staff
recommendation
on
item
11?
Okay,
we'll
put
item
11
on
our
discussion
agenda
item
12
30
16
through
30
24
Fremont,
Avenue
South?
This
is
the
Fremont
Avenue
Apartments
project
staff
is
recommending
this
item
for
consent.
A
A
A
A
Next,
we'll
proceed
to
our
consent
agenda.
If
there's
anyone
here
on
any
of
the
discussion
items
who
would
like
to
go,
take
a
seat
in
the
other
room.
You're
welcome
to
now
you'll
be
able
to
see
and
hear
us
there,
but
we'll
do
them
in
order,
so
it'll
be
11,
12
and
then
14.
A
All
right,
so
our
consent
agenda
we'll
move
on
to
that.
Next.
First,
we're
going
to
vote
on
the
consent
items
on
the
agenda
that
do
not
have
a
public
hearing
and
after
we
do
that,
we'll
open
a
public
hearing
for
our
public
hearing
consent
items
could
I
have
a
motion
to
adopt
items.
Four
and
five
on
consent.
G
A
A
Could
I
have
a
motion
to
adopt
item
789
and
return
item
10.
I
A
A
All
right
we'll
move
on
to
our
continuance
agenda.
So
these
are
items
6,
13
and
15.
A
A
D
J
A
K
A
K
All
right
yeah,
so
the
project
site
is
along
the
Franklin
Avenue
Goodson,
Services
Corridor
and
current
site
conditions.
You
have
a
one-story
building
setback
from
Franklin
Avenue
along
21st
Street
here,
showing
the
aerial
and
again
here's
the
development
positives.
That
staff
sees
for
this
project,
more
activity
in
the
area,
more
people
more
eyes
on
the
street
and
more
family
housing.
K
So
staff
is
recommending
approval
of
all
the
applications,
including
that
pedestrian-oriented
overlay
District
variants
to
exceed
the
parking
width
in
a
PO.
District
staff
sees
that
there's
practical
difficulties
that
exist
with
the
project
site
that
limit
placement
of
where
he
could
put
parking
that
large
through
lot
have
Frontage
on
Franklin,
Avenue
and
21st
Street,
so
both
those
streets
also
encumbrances
on
the
site.
You
know
there
is
the
existing
Plaza
on
the
west
side
of
the
project
site.
K
So
for
those
reasons,
staff
is
sees
that
there
are
unique
circumstances
for
the
site
that
that
allow
for
supporting
the
variants.
We
also
recognize
that
the
applicant
is
using
the
project
site
in
a
reasonable
manner.
That
is
keeping
the
spirit
in
intent
of
the
ordinance.
You
know.
We
know
that
the
purpose
of
the
PO
district
is
to
preserve
and
encourage
The
Pedestrian
character
of
commercial
areas
and
to
promote
street
life
and
prohibit
high
impact.
Auto-Oriented
uses
just
note
some
of
the
things
I
highlighted
in
the
report
or
have
in
the
report.
K
So
before
I
conclude,
if,
if
I've
had
some
good
conversation
with
people
from
the
community
and
letters
that
came
in
just
coordination
with
public
works
and
with
preliminary
development
review,
this
is
something
that
public
works
and
cped
our
our
team
do
talk
and
we
coordinate
from
the
beginnings
of
a
project
to
when
it
gets
to
you
today.
So
we
have
a.
We
have
that
PDR
report.
K
You
got
some
of
the
comments
that
come
in,
in
particular
from
Public
Works
about
access
and
safety
getting
to
the
site,
and
we
just
rest
assured
that
they
have
reviewed
these
plans
and
also
they've
likely
reviewed
this
project
in
more
detail
because
of
a
signal,
that's
being
redone
at
the
corner
of
Franklin
Avenue.
So
the
applicant
has
comments
that
they
need
to
address
in
the
updated
PDR
report,
but
that
would
come
after
today's
public
hearing.
So
I
just
wanted
to
note
that
and
I'm
here
to
answer
initial
questions
you
may
have.
A
L
L
I
just
wanted
to
speak
to
you
about
the
project
and
the
significance
of
it
and
the
importance
of
it,
and
just
really
briefly
help
you
to
understand.
The
nature
of
the
proposed
project
is
to
expand
the
footprint
of
the
clinic,
which
is
in
critical
need
of
of
expansion
and
upgrade
our
current
building
is
was
built
in
1982.
It
is
a
building
that
is
basically
kind
of
crumbling
down
and
falling
down
around
us.
L
We've
poured
lots
of
money
into
renovating
that
that
property
we
purchased
the
property
a
year
ago,
a
year
and
a
half
ago,
and
and
as
we
started
to
design
upgrades
to
that
building
and
Renovations.
That
building
was
really
clear,
like
we
needed
more
space,
because
we
couldn't
bring
all
of
the
programs
that
we
currently
operate
in
South
Minneapolis
Under
One
Roof,
which
is
the
point
to
having
an
integrated
Clinic
model.
L
And
then
we
also,
once
we
decided,
we
were
going
to
build
a
new
building.
It
became
kind
of
a
moral
imperative
to
us
as
an
organization
that
serves
the
Native
American
community
in
South
Minneapolis,
specifically,
but
across
the
Twin
Cities
that,
given
the
fact
that
Native
Americans
represent
about
a
third
of
the
houseless
population
in
the
state,
if
not
also
the
City
of
Minneapolis,
that
we
had
moral
imperative
to
do
something
about
that.
L
It
also
happens
to
be
the
primary
specific,
the
highest
and
the
largest
social
determinant
of
Health
that
contributes
to
poor
health
outcomes
and
poor
disparities
for
native
people.
And
so
it
was
kind
of
a
slam
dunk
for
us
to
think
about.
Building
housing
on
top
of
the
clinic.
L
The
housing
is
a
partnership.
The
clinic
and
housing
campus
is
a
partnership
between
the
Native
American,
Community
Clinic
and
Wellington
Management
Incorporated,
who
has
a
very
long
and
stellarous
track
record
of
developing
mixed-use
commercial
housing
and
spaces,
and
we
will
also
partner
with
the
Vivo,
which
is
a
large
housing,
Supportive
Housing
provider
in
the
City
of
Minneapolis
and
in
Hennepin
County,
and
the
goal
is
to
provide
stable
housing
to
Native
people
that
the
clinic
serves
across
the
Twin
Cities
and
also
to
be
able
to
upgrade
our
Clinic
to
provide
expanded
services.
L
So
we'll
be
going
from
about
18
our
10
exam
rooms
to
18
exam
rooms.
Five
dental
chairs
to
12
will
be
expanding
a
pediatric
clinic
footprint
and
in
clinic
pharmacy,
and
also
providing
expanded,
Diagnostic
and
laboratory
services,
as
well
as
continuing
to
provide
substance,
abuse
treatment,
services
on
site,
we're
hoping
to
break
ground
in
a
year.
We're
close
to
having
our
project
fully
funded.
So
we're
on
a
good
trajectory
to
get
that
accomplished
and
trying
to
do
our
best
to
serve
the
citizens
of
Minneapolis
and
specifically
those
of
South
Minneapolis.
N
Thank
you
and
just
really
excited
about
this
project.
Specifically,
the
only
question
I
have
is
Will
Maria
still
be
there.
Yes,.
L
Thank
you.
We
are
working
hard
to
save
Maria's
because
we
love
Maria's,
who
doesn't
love
Maria's
anyway.
Thank
you.
Yes,.
A
Thank
you,
I'm,
not
seeing
any
more
questions.
Thank
you.
So
we'll
move
on
will
be
again
like
I
said,
we'll
be
limiting
comments
to
two
minutes,
it'll
be
on
the
timer
and
if
you
ever
want
to
submit
more
comments
than
that,
you
can
always
submit
comments
by
email
to
council
comments
at
Minneapolis
mn.gov
all
right.
So
is
there
anyone
here
who
would
like
to
speak
on
this
item?
If
so,
you
can
come
up
to
the
podium
state,
your
name
and
neighborhood
for
the
record
and
proceed
with
your
comments.
H
My
name
is
Ray
Peterson
I
live
across
the
street
from
the
proposed
development
and
I'm
with
Ventura
Village,
and
the
I
myself
and
the
neighborhood
are
posing
this
project.
H
The
main
concerns
here
are
that
there's
an
entrance
exit
proposed
onto
East,
21st
Street
and
in
the
past
that
has
not
occurred,
so
we
don't
have
the
traffic
from
what
has
been
the
shopping
center
or
that
area
going
on
East
21st
Street,
which
is
mainly
pedestrian
and
bicycle.
It's
very
safe.
Now
this
would
introduce
a
lot
of
new
traffic
that
we're
concerned
about,
and
we
we
don't
think,
there's
enough
information.
That's
been
made
available
to
study
that
in
order
to
say
that
these
findings
can
be
made.
H
The
second
major
one
is
that
we
asked
for
a
management
plan,
so
we
knew
how
the
housing
would
be
managed.
So
we
knew
that
it
was
being
done
correctly,
so
it
wouldn't
be
a
negative
impact
on
the
residents,
so
we
don't
know
how
to
evaluate-
and
we
think
that
we'd
like
to
see
that
before
any
findings
are
made.
That
said,
it's
okay,
thank
you.
O
This
is
my
first
committee
meeting,
so
my
name
is
Mary.
Ellen,
Kaluza
and
I
live
near
the
project
just
to
have
a
block
away
and
I've
owned.
My
house
for
44
years
have
50
years
within
a
block
of
Franklin
Avenue
I
am
on
12th
Avenue
it
between
21st
and
22nd.
It
is
a
one
block,
long,
one-way,
Street,
very
narrow
when
I
first
moved
there.
If
somebody
drove
down
that
street
I
got
up
to
see
who
was
coming
to
visit
me
now,
it
is
constant
traffic
and
it's
two-way
traffic.
O
We
have
we're
we're
so
overburdened
with
traffic
in
that
neighborhood
that
I'm
really
concerned
about.
Where
that
you
know
routing
all
of
that
traffic
to
21st
Street.
It's
where
I
choose
to
ride
my
bike
and
and
like
Ray
said
you
know
as
quiet
as
calm.
It
feels
safe
to
ride
a
bike,
but
with
all
of
that
in
their
school
bus
stops
on
21st
Street,
it's
a
narrow,
Street
semi
still
Park
on
it,
so
it
can
be
even
more
narrow.
O
It's
I
think
the
burden
of
traffic
is
just
too
great
for
the
neighborhood
and
we
already
have
such
a
great
burden.
O
The
24th
Street
mall
that
traffic
spreads
for
for
blocks,
I,
see
my
time's
running
out
and
I'm
also
concerned,
because
I
have
the
biggest
lot
on
that
block
because
back
in
the
late
70s,
the
city
wanted
to
get
those
two
lots
together
and
I
turned
one
into
a
a
beautiful
garden.
But
that
means
with
my
larger
lot:
I
pay
more
for
public
or
First
Street
repair
than
anyone
else
and
I
drive
the
least
and
I'm
picking
up
all
the
garbage
too.
Oh.
P
Up
well,
my
name
is
Steve
Dreyer
and
I'm,
a
homeowner
in
that
neighborhood.
Also,
a
venture
Village
and
I've
lived
there
for
40
years
and
the
the
many
developments
on
Franklin
Avenue
that
have
made
it
into
a
more
positive
Place
have
always
faced
and
focused
on
Franklin
Avenue
and
in
this
project,
with
its
back
on
Franklin,
Avenue
I.
P
Think
it's
going
to
create
problems
with
that
and
and
I
and
that's
my
my
main
objection
and
also
big
objection
is
just
the
density
of
a
six-story
building.
I
realized
that
the
2040
plan
is
changing.
The
way
Minneapolis
looks
and
the
way
people
approach
those
kind
of
projects.
Q
Q
And
I've
lived
in
Ventura
Village
for
21
years,
so
I
live
a
block
and
a
half
west
of
the
proposed
development
and
I
think
you'll
be
hard-pressed
to
find
anyone
in
the
neighborhood
that
is
against
the
expansion
of
the
clinic.
The
clinic
is
a
great
resource.
The
like
the
video
on
their
website,
says
they're
in
the
right
spot
for
what
they
do,
but
do
have
some
concerns
about
the
five
stories
on
top
of
that
of
residential
development.
So
it's
from
looking
at
the
land
use
application.
Q
Q
Now
I
live
off
of
21st,
Street,
East,
again
block
and
a
half
West,
and
there's
no
traffic
enforcement
anymore
and
that's
become
a
bit
of
a
a
problem
with
people
driving
and
driving
unsafely
on
there
same
thing
with
10th
Avenue,
South
and
11th
Avenue
South,
and
on
June
6th
I
was
at
a
there
was
a
public
meeting
on
traffic
calming
projects
and
I
went
to
that
again.
Q
Q
Think
11th
might
have
been,
as
well
as
being
a
problematic
area
for
traffic
safety
issues
that
they
were
planning
on
doing
studies
on
so
I,
don't
know
where
that
is
at
at
this
point,
but
looking
at
these
plans,
I
don't
know
that
that
was
taken
into
account
that
there
is
supposed
to
be
a
study
on
that
stretch
of
that
of
the
street.
Q
At
this
point
second
item
I
just
want
to
address
is
that
I
don't
know
if
you
know
this
exists,
but
there
is
the
the
neighborhood
has
a
master
plan
and
I
know
the
city
doesn't
really
take
these
into
account
anymore.
But
looking
at
this
land
use
application
summary
a
little
bit
disappointing
to
see
that
the
neighborhood
master
plan
wasn't
taking
into
account
the
four-story
cap
on
buildings,
because
the
neighborhood
master
plan
was
put
in
place
by
people
who
lived.
E
R
My
name
is
Ben
marker
I
patient's
next
door
neighbor.
Actually
we
share
a
backyard.
I've
lived
in
the
neighborhood
for
about
10
years
now,
and
the
traffic
I'm
I'm,
not
as
good
with
words
as
patients
is
so
I,
mostly
just
agree
with
her,
but
those
are
really
cute.
Pictures
of
the
daytime
of
our
neighborhood
I
work
nights,
I'm,
a
bartender
and
I'm
coming
home
at
two
or
three
in
the
morning.
There
is
no
patrols
any
longer.
R
R
But
this
is
a
hotbed
for
for
drug
dealing,
drug
usage
and
prostitution,
Etc
et
cetera,
et
cetera,
garbage
filth,
blah
blah
blah
blah
blah
I
live
and
breathe
on
the
West
Bank,
so
I
like
to
get
weird
man,
but
it's
a
sketchy
neighborhood
and
an
increase
in
this
kind
of
traffic
is
a
lot
of
bodies
and
in
a
very
hot
spot,.
S
Good
evening
Commissioners,
my
name
is
Sam
oldbexton
and
I'm,
a
resident
of
South
Minneapolis
I'm.
Also
the
board
president
for
the
Minneapolis
American
Indian
Center,
which
is
right
down
the
street
and
I'm
the
board
chair
for
the
Native
American
Community
Development
Institute,
which
is
right
across
the
street
down
the
street,
and
you
know
we
as
as
a
community
have.
This
has
been
the
heart
of
our
community
for
over
60
years,
and
so
when
we
talk
about
who
is
the
community?
It's
the
community
that
that
I
help
lead
through
these
organizations.
S
We
have
done
extensive
Community
engagement
over
the
past
10
12
15
years
to
the
American
Indian
Community
blueprint
and
plus
the
City
of
Minneapolis
funded
a
great
streets
Grant,
which
nacti
administered,
where
we
showed
increased
density,
increased
development
along
the
streets
deep
and
our
our
position
is
that
more
eyes
on
the
street
is
the
better
we're
providing
more
eyes
on
Franklin
and
on
21st
in
its
development.
The
parking
lots
facing
the
street
are
kind
of.
S
The
people
who
live
and
work
right
on
Franklin
have
all
met
and
talked
about
this
for
years,
and
the
density
is
a
good
thing
again
eyes
on
the
street,
more
public
spaces,
more
access,
and-
and
we
see
this
as
a
very
positive
development
for
Franklin
Avenue
and
for
the
city
and
region.
So
thank
you.
Thank.
A
You
for
anyone
else
last
chance
all
right,
seeing
none
I
will
close
the
public
hearing.
A
Let's
see
Commissioners,
is
there
any
discussion?
Oh
commissioner,
Alper.
T
Thank
you,
I
would
like
to
say
thank
you
to
everybody
who
came
out
to
comment
today
from
Ventura
Village,
I
I
think
this
is
a
neighborhood.
This
is
this
is
in
my
district.
This
is
a
neighborhood
that
has
had
many
failed
promises
and
they
it
experiences
problems
with
no
easy
solutions
and
I
I
really
believe
that
Dr
stately
in
this
clinic
and
this
housing
is
a
great
step
forward.
T
That
said,
I
do
have
a
few
thoughts
and
I
I
asked
and
I
I
see
this
huge
need
and
I
think
we've
talked
about
it
as
a
commission
before
that
to
have
public
work
staff
be
more
present
at
this
public
forum,
because
there's
no
other
public
forum,
where
people
can
talk
about
issues
around
traffic
and
around
parking
and
I
looked
at
the
PDR.
Thank
you
for
that.
I
really
appreciate
it,
but
I
don't
see
comments
specifically
talking
about
that
and
I
I
wish.
T
There
were
more
strategies,
just
in
general,
in
our
city,
to
as
we
as
we
build
more
housing
for
people
as
we
accommodate
more
in
our
city.
We
need
to
have
other
ways
that
they
can
get
around
and
so
I
would,
like
frankly,
I
mean
Route
2
along
Franklin
is
increasing
service
in
August.
It's
awesome,
I'd
love
to
see
this.
This
development
I
think
I've
mentioned
it
before
offer
the
residential
transit
pass
to
its
residents.
Is
that
something
being
considered
it's
14
per
month
per
unit.
T
U
I'm
David
Wellington,
Prospect,
Park
resident
and
developer
with
Native
American
Community
Clinic.
To
answer
your
question
with
regard
to
the
transit
passes,
we're
considering
it.
We've
got
a
significant
gap
on
the
funding
side
for
the
housing
that
we're
passing
the
hat
right
now
with
a
bunch
of
different
public
sources
of
funding.
So
if
there
are
ways
for
us
to
be
able
to
fund
that
specific
request,
we
would
do
it
great.
T
Great
because
I
think
I
think
some
of
these
strategies
would
appease
I
hope
would
get
at
some
of
the
concerns
of
the
the
neighbors
and
I
think.
There's
some
I
I've
heard
a
wind
about
certain
grants
that
are
in
the
works
around
residential
transit
pass.
So
it
would
be
a
great
project
for
you
to
partner
up
with
on
that.
Thank
you.
I
also
just
want
to
say,
I
I
think,
there's
a
need
for
more
Parkland
in
this
neighborhood,
and
I
did
note
that
this
project
will
be
paying
into
the
Parkland
dedication
fee.
N
Thank
you
very
much,
and
so
thank
you
to
everybody
who
came
out
and
speak
I
too
represent
this
area.
I
am
your
District
4,
commissioner,
on
the
Hennepin,
County
Board
and
I'm
very
familiar
with
this
project.
In
fact,
I
grew
up
in
the
neighborhood,
and
so
when
you
were
talking
about
how
you
come
up
on
21st
and
it's
a
whole
different
world
than
when
you
cross
over
and
you're
facing
you're
on
the
Franklin
side,
it's
different.
It's
it's
very,
very
different.
N
J
N
So
I
know
what
we're
doing
now,
with
the
with
the
Franklin
Avenue
redesign
is
talking
with
community
members
about
what
the
street
design
could
look
like,
given
the
traffic
that'll
be
going
through,
etc,
etc.
So
what
could
21st
Avenue
look
like
and
I'm
looking
at
the
T
team
here,
what
conversations
have
we
had
with
Ventura
Village
and
surrounding
communities
about
what?
Potentially,
this
could
look
like?
N
I've
seen
projects
come
before
us,
where
new
housing
developments
come
up
and
where
residents
come
to
speak
about
the
streets
and
the
safety
we're
talking
about
how
signs
have
been
put
up
in
pedestrian
Crossings
and
all
of
the
things
to
make
it
safer.
Given
that
there's
a
high
amount
of
folks
that
will
be
living
here
that
need
to
live
here,
so
the
housing
is
absolutely
like.
N
We
need
it
today,
but
talk
to
me
a
little
bit
more
how
the
community
has
been
deliberately
spoken
with
about
traffic
safety,
Etc,
there's
nothing
that
I
can
comment
on
in
regard
to
enforcement,
but
like
how
do
you
see
this
project
blending
in
with
the
neighborhood
in
a
way
that
promotes
safety,
especially
on
that
21st
Street
side?
That's
now
relatively
quiet,
except
for
the
increase
in
traffic.
N
V
You,
commissioner,
Conley
pkla
College
Architects,
so
we
did
start
the
initial
conversations.
Dr
stately
has
been
talking
with
the
neighborhood
and
Sam
as
well,
so
they
might
have
to
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
the
community
engagement
we
did
reach
out
to
public
works
very
early
on
in
this
project.
One
of
our
large
concerns
on
this
was
pedestrian
safety
at
Franklin
Avenue.
There
is,
it
is
under
reconstruction
right
now
they
are
increasing
The
Pedestrian
safety
for
a
crosswalks.
V
We've
worked
with
staff
as
well
to
increase
sidewalks
north-south
connections
as
well
as
East-West
connections,
and
then
to
make
those
safer
and
then
also
along
21st
Avenue,
to
put
in
the
sidewalk
to
make
a
little
bit
more
pedestrian
friendly
in
terms
of
Street
trees,
two
layers
of
Street
trees,
lower
plantings,
decorative
fences
and
lighting.
We
also
have
two
kind
of
art
nodes
that
will
talk
about
the
kind
of
the
cultural
aspects
of
it
as
well
on
both
the
southeast
corner
and
the
southwest
corner.
V
So
we're
really
trying
to
spruce
up
what
21st
Street
is
in
discussion
with
Public
Works,
the
circulation
onto
21st
Street
actually
really
does
help
Franklin
Avenue,
because
otherwise
it
becomes
a
bottleneck
on
Franklin
Avenue.
So
the
ability
to
get
out
is
actually
probably
a
very
helpful
thing
in
terms
of
a
larger
pattern
and
so
we're
looking
at
that
kind
of
providing
pedestrian
walkways
to
get
people
from
21st
across
back
to
Franklin,
Avenue
I
think
the
the
new
Plaza
area.
V
The
north-south
connection
is
a
stronger,
better
connection,
with
more
lighting,
more
planting
through
that
area
as
well,
so
I
think
we're
looking
at
it
all
the
way
around
the
building.
I
know
there
has
been
some
discussions
and
I
think
we
could
continue
to
have
some
of
those,
but
we
really
are
trying
to
get
better
pedestrian
safety,
better
lighting
and
then
bike
facilities
as
well.
So
the
bike
path
through
there
is
a
clear,
more
concise
way
to
get
north-south
right.
S
I
think
again,
I'm
going
to
reintroduce
myself
as
Samuel
bexon
with
full
circle.
Excuse
me
full
circle,
indigenous
planning
and
design
and
the
one
where
the
design,
Architects
and
so
thinking
about
what
you're
saying
part
of
the
strategy
again
was
I
was
part
of
the
design
team
that
did
the
great
streets
Grant
10
years
ago.
S
That
did
extensive
Community
engagement
about
how
to
make
that
neighborhood
safer
and
the
one
one
of
the
things
that
we
identified
was
21st
Street,
because
right
now,
I
would
rather
walk
on
Franklin
at
night
than
21st
Street,
because
it's
a
blank
wall
of
basically
just
deliveries
and
there's
chaining
fans.
What
we're
doing
is
not
only
providing
better
eyes
to
the
Street.
Franklin
back
is
back
to
21st
and
so
I
I.
S
Also,
my
family
lived
there
when
I
was
a
baby
and
so
I
lived
on
this
site
in
a
different
development
when
the
street
used
to
go
through,
and
so
that
you
know
when
the
the
city
allowed
the
the
super
block
to
happen.
That's
I
think
when
the
the
some
of
the
problems
happened
when
you
cut
off
pedestrian
activity
when
you
caught
off
axis
so
a
more
connected
through
streets
and
pedestrian
activities,
getting
rid
of
fences
getting
rid
of
Blank
walls
that
create
you
know
really.
S
Safety
concerns
has
been
something
that
we
considered
really
carefully
in
the
Urban
Design
and
master
plan
of
the
project,
so
the
American
Indian
Community
blueprint
you
can
refer
to
that
and
also
what
we
had
done
for
the
great
seat.
Grant
that
talked
about
that
pedestrian
connectivity,
the
crime
prevention
through
environmental
design
four-sided
building,
not
not
a
one-sided
building,
and
so
we
took
design
considerations
in
great
detail
and
had
extensive
discussions
with
the
community
over
15
years
on
this
exact
topic.
N
Yeah
I
was
I,
was
okay,
just
gonna
speak
I
think
that
it
was
answered
with
how
the
safety
on
21st
the
lighting.
All
of
that
would
has
been
relayed
to
the
surrounding
neighborhood.
Who
has
the
sufficient
concerns
about
the
street.
L
So
we'll
just
really
quickly
talk
about
the
the
amount
of
traffic
that
the
clinic
in
the
housing
is
likely
to
are
possibly
potentially
likely
to
increase,
so
the
clinic
is
actually
prioritizing
during
the
building
phase
of
the
project,
and
also
we
will
continue
to
do
this
after
the
building
is
built,
we're
incentivizing
and
prioritizing
and
encouraging
staff
to
carpool
and
to
take
transit
to
the
site
and
we'll
build
in
incentives
into
our
employee
structure,
employment,
composition
structure,
to
encourage
them
to
do
that,
because
we
want
them
to
lower
the
carbon
footprint,
be
more
efficient
and
also
reduce
traffic
on
the
site.
L
The
other
thing
I,
think
I
wanted
to
just
really
quickly
say
is
that
you
know
we
are
actually
proposing
to
change
the
parking
structure
of
like
our
lot
and
then
also.
We
are
working
with
our
our
the
landowners
to
the
to
the
left
of
us
or
like
to
the
right
to
the
east,
which
is
the
Ali's
building.
They
currently
have
really
horrible
parking
if
anybody
ever
goes
to
actually
shop
at
Aldi
or
if
you
have
you
know,
you're
taking
your
life
into
your
own
hands.
L
L
We
try
to
show
up
and
be
a
good
relative
in
everything
we
do,
including
to
our
neighbors
and
also
the
people
we
serve,
but
we
also
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
prioritizing
safety
of
our
residents
and
also
our
patients
and
also
the
neighborhood,
so
we're
look
we're
balancing
multiple
things
and
we're
trying
to
work
with
our
partners
to
do
that.
So
I
think
we're
being
really
intentional
about
that.
C
I
think
this
has
the
potential
to
be
actually
a
very
exciting
project,
but
I
have
a
question
about
the
process
and,
and
staff
talked
you
talked
about
there.
We
know
there
are
issues
here
yet
and
they'll
get
resolved
in
their
future
and
I'm
not
sure
what
that
means.
In
that
case,.
D
I
can
take
out
thanks
chance
at
answering
that
one,
but
so
preliminary
development
review
is
an
administrative
process
that
happens
before
you
see
a
land
use
application.
So
that
is
a
process
where
plans
are
reviewed
by
planning
staff,
public
work
staff,
our
construction
code
services,
staff
for
Building,
Code
Compliance.
Sometimes
business
licensing
gets
involved.
You
know
the
fire
department's
looking
at
access.
D
Those
comments
will
be
in
that
report
and
there's
a
revision
process
that
happens
after
the
public
hearing
where
the
applicant
can
incorporate
all
of
the
conditions
of
approval
from
the
Planning
Commission
into
their
plans,
and
they
can
also
incorporate
any
recommendations
from
Public
Works
into
their
plans,
and
they
submit
a
revised
set
of
plans
that
incorporate
all
of
the
comments
for
approval
at
one
time.
All
of
that
happens
before
the
building
permit
gets
submitted.
D
Staff
that
are
also
asking
for
revisions
to
the
plans.
It's
often
things
like
hey,
you
put
the
wrong
standard
plate
number
on
your
pedestrian
Crossing
or
you
know
we
need
to
see
this
utility
connection
revised
to
this
size.
That
sort
of
thing.
If
it's
something
like
hey,
you
can't
have
a
curb
cut
right
here,
or
we
think
this
is
too
much
traffic
coming
out
onto
this
street.
It's
not
going
to
get
to
you
until
that's
addressed.
So
in
this
case
the
comments
were
relatively
minor.
D
There
is
some
language
in
there
about
continuing
to
work
with
Hennepin
County
throughout
the
Franklin
Avenue
Street
reconstruction,
a
lot
of
more
just
kind
of
boilerplate
type
comments
for
this
particular
project,
but
it's
never
something
where
someone
has
PDR
approval
before
it
gets
to
Planning
Commission,
because
the
process
is
still
ongoing
until
the
public
hearing
is
closed.
C
D
A
C
B
T
So
with
that,
I
would
like
to
move
this
forward
with
the
staff
recommendations.
A
All
right
we
have
a
motion
and
a
second
to
adopt
staff
recommendation.
Is
there
any
discussion
seeing
none
with
the
clerk?
Please
call
the
roll.
F
W
A
X
Good
evening
playing
Commissioners
I'm,
Hilary,
dvark,
planner
and
Steve
head,
this
is
a
project
at
3016-24,
Fremont,
Avenue
South.
It
is
a
site
made
up
of
three
individual
single-family
home
lots.
There
are
three
single-family
homes
or
one
single-friendly
home
on
each
of
the
three
lots
the
applicant
is
proposing
to
demolish
those
three
houses
and
construct
a
new
six
story.
78
unit
Residential
Building
on
the
site.
X
There
would
be
18
parking
spaces
on
the
ground
floor
accessed
off
of
the
north-south
alley.
That
runs
through
the
block.
The
only
application
that
is
before
you
this
evening
is
site
plan
review.
It
meets
all
of
the
standards
of
the
zoning
code.
It
meets
all
of
the
standards
of
the
site,
planner
view
chapter,
except
for
the
condition
pertaining
to
shrubs.
So
we
have
re
condition.
The
approval
of
this
application
before
you
to
add
those
14
or
to
have
at
least
14
shrubs
provided
on
the
site.
X
X
X
X
I'm
going
to
just
jump
to
the
renderings
again,
they
meet
all
of
the
standards
of
our
site.
Point
of
view
chapter:
this
is
the
building
looking
at
it
from
Fremont.
This
is
other.
This
is
looking
North
at
the
billionaire
instead
of
South,
and
then
this
elevation
is
the
north
elevation
of
the
building
that
faces
the.
X
What
is
currently
a
surface
parking
lot.
Common
Bond
communities
is
going
to
be
proposing
a
housing
project
on
this
site,
so
you
will
not
actually
see
this
site
from
Lake
Street
once
common
Bond
builds
a
structure
in
this
location,
and
then
this
is
the
southwest
corner
of
the
building.
Here.
Is
that
alley
in
that
parking
ramp
for
seven
points
is
here
on
the
left.
A
G
Hi,
this
is
Evan
Williams
on
behalf
of
the
applicant
I'll.
Keep
my
comments
brief,
but
you
know
we're
pleased
to
present
this
in
front
of
you
all
today,
and
you
know
we
think
we
meet
all
the
goals
that
you've
outlined
in
the
2040
plan
to
bring
more
housing
to
Uptown,
and
we
look
forward
to
have
more
residents
and
people
living
in
that
Community.
G
A
M
Commissioners
hi,
my
name
is
Philip
quality
I
live
at
3021
Emerson
Avenue
South,
which
is
a
block
east
of
the
proposed
development.
It's
a
pleasure
to
come
before
you
all
today.
I
understand
that
the
applicant
has
the
zoning
that
they
need
to
move
forward.
I
would
respectfully
ask
the
commission
to
consider
laying
it
over
one
cycle
if
emotion
might
be
made.
First,
I
would
like
to
ask
respectfully
that
the
developer
continue
to
work
with
the
residents
in
the
neighborhood
of
Southeast
uptown.
A
X
M
Move
down
image
from
the
street
very
good
right
there
right
back!
Thank
you
so
much
Commissioners!
Thank
you
Lori!
You
know.
The
piece
of
is
that
that
I
wanted
to
comment
on
is
again.
Will
the
applicant
continue
to
work
or
please
begin
to
work
with
the
residential
neighborhood?
You
will
see
a
residential
home
in
Gray,
a
person
lives
there.
They
have
lived
there,
maintained
their
home
and
paid
their
taxes
and
I'm.
M
Sorry,
as
you
look
at
any
building,
that
is
six
stories
next
to
a
residential
two-story
home
that
six
story
structure
next
to
a
residential
home
is
detrimental
to
that
residential
home
we'd.
Ask
the
developer
to
please
consider
a
roofline
step
down
of
the
roof
height
towards
the
residential
neighborhood
and
then.
Finally,
we
understand
that
the
current
design
has
a
party
room
that
is
currently
planned
for
the
southwest
corner
over
at
the
residential
neighborhoods.
I
will
finish,
we'd
ask
them
to
please
move
that
to
the
north
side,
so
it's
not
immediately
over
residential
homes.
Y
Y
There
is
that
there's
a
party
room,
that's
on
the
southwest
corner.
We
I
agree
with
Phil
that
they
ask
that
it
be
moved
to
maybe
the
north
northwest
corner
or
something
like
that.
So
it's
not
overlooking
my
neighbor
Steve
Holtz
house
also
visible
in
this
picture.
Y
There's
inset
balconies
throughout
going.
You
can't
see
the
the
bottom
two
levels,
but
but
they
are
there
in
the
the
other
pictures.
I'm.
Sorry
I,
don't
know
how
to
work
that,
but
looking
at
the
the
overhead
view
they're
just
not
included
in
in
the
plans
that
so
we
don't
really
know
what
we're
getting
is
there?
Are
there
balconies
overlooking
the
houses?
Y
Are
there
not
balconies,
overlooking
the
houses
I
understand
that
they're,
within
with
the
limits
of
parking
and
I
just
want
to
want
to
make
a
plea
here,
because
Fremont
Avenue
is
nominally
a
one-way
Street
going
north
legally
a
one-way
Street
going
north
in
practice,
it's
a
two-way
street.
Y
There
are
so
many
cars
coming.
The
wrong
way
and
some
of
them
very
fast
parking,
is
at
a
premium.
I
pay
I
think
it's
forty
dollars
a
year
for
myself
forty
dollars
to
have
a
guest
right.
Now,
it's
not
bad,
because
there's
some
open
houses,
but
it's
going
to
be
very
bad.
Then
we
spoke
with
with
Evan
about
maybe
getting
parking
vouchers
for
the
the
residents
there.
Also
we're
hoping
that
there's
a
privacy
fence
put
up
so
Steve's
house
is
not
right
in
the
the
way
of
that
right.
Y
Z
Er
Rocky
and
I
live
at
3032
Fremont
Avenue
South,
which
is
one
house
away
from
this
development.
My
parents
I'm
an
immigrant
to
this
country.
My
parents
bought
that
house
as
immigrants
they're
both
deceased
now
fought
very
hard
for
this
neighborhood,
so
we've
been
there
since
1970
I
came
full
circle
bought
the
house
later.
Z
A
lot
has
happened
in
my
neighborhood.
This
proposal
is
for
a
six-story
building
with
78
units,
but
only
18
parking
spots
and
I
talked
about
the
parking
horrible
I,
don't
see
how
that's
going
to
be
viable.
Actually,
more
importantly,
for
me,
though,
I
went
to
high
school,
where
the.
Why
is
right
now
I
went
to
grade
school
where
Calhoun
Square
is
right.
Z
Now,
when
George
Floyd
happened
and
when
Winston
and
Boogie
Smith
happened
and
all
the
things
that
happened
with
the
police
not
coming
a
whole
lot
anymore,
with
the
trauma
in
the
neighborhood
with
trauma
General,
my
neighbor
at
the
end
of
this
block
does
not
want
to
move.
He
said
he's
very
traumatized
about
it.
I
feel
really
bad
that
he
feels
forced
out
of
his
home.
I
feel
like
the
only
safe
thing
in
my
life
is
my
home
and
when
you're
putting
up
a
six-story
building
that
far
away
or
one
house
away,
I
don't
feel
safe.
Z
I
want
to
make
sure
that
my
1908
home
is
protected.
I
I
have
nobody.
That's
telling
me
that
it's
going
to
be
I've
worked
really
hard
and
I
feel
pretty
traumatized
and
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
this
is
all
going
to
work.
I
want
a
win-win
situation.
I've
tried
to
talk
to
the
developer,
hoping
that
we
can
do
that.
I
haven't
really
heard
anything
about
how
they
care
to
make
sure
that
the
neighborhood
or
my
house
is
going
to
be.
Okay,
I
have
no
idea
how
much
time
I
have.
A
Z
So
I
was
like
I,
don't
know
how
much
time
I
have,
but
you
know
I
mean
my
bank
was,
you
know
burned
down.
My
safety
deposit
box
was
gone,
I
mean
there's
just
been
so
much
trauma
and
seriously.
My
my
home
is
the
only
safe
place,
I
know
and
I'm
really
traumatized
by
the
fact
that
I
don't
feel
like
I
might
even
be
safe
in
my
own
home
and
I'm
trying
not
to
cry,
but
it's
real
and
I
work
really
hard
to
I
have
for
this
neighborhood.
Z
A
N
Thank
you,
I
would
like
the
developers
or
the
project
planners
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
how
they
spoke
with
neighbors,
about
things
like
how
this
project
would
impact
the
residents
I'm
always
going
to
be
one.
That's
going
to
ask
about
Community
engagement,
just
so
everyone's
clear,
because
it's
important
to
me
that
when
new
projects
pop
up
that
residents
really
know
the
really
real
impacts
on
how
it
will
affect
their
livelihoods.
N
So
I'd
like
some
details
around
how
the
project
Partners
developers
reached
out
to
neighbors
one
and
then
two
I'm,
really
interested
in
I.
Think
when
this
was
first
introduced,
staff
mentioned
that
there
was
some
single-family
homes
around
it.
That
will
be
gone,
were
those
empty,
were
they
boarded
up?
Were
they
sold
or
did
you
buy
them
just
curious
about
those?
Thank.
AA
G
So,
regarding
the
question
on
the
purchases
of
the
homes,
the
first
home
at
3024
was
for
sale
last
fall
once
that
was
purchased.
Then
you
know
letters
and-
and
you
know,
discussions
were
had
with
the
adjacent
neighbors
to
see.
You
know
this
is
the
you
know.
You
know
what
we're
thinking
for
this
block.
Are
you
interested
then
the
neighbor
at
30
20
was
they
ended
up
selling
their
home,
and
then
we
continued
the
conversation
with
the
next
door,
neighbor
both
the
30,
28
and
3016,
and
then
at
3016.
G
G
C
G
One
was
a
it
was,
it
was
a
tenant
occupied.
The
other
two
were
homeowners.
AB
Hi
I'm
Jessica
Harner,
with
Christian
Dean
architecture
with
a
design
team
just
wanted
to
address
your
question
about
engagement.
We
did
present
this
project
to
the
neighborhood
group
and
I
have
had
multiple
conversations
with
Jerome
Chateau,
who
is
a
design
chair
of
their
design
and
one
of
the
Committees
at
the
neighborhood
group
and
I
I.
Don't
know
if
Evan,
if
you
all
had
a
meeting
to
discuss
I
know
there
was
discussions
about
having
a
neighborhood
group
meeting
with
Evan
to
discuss
their
concerns
further,
but
we
certainly
have
made
it.
AB
You
know
we
have
presented
to
the
group
listen
to
feedback.
We
certainly
are
happy
to
do
things
like
move
the
party
room
and
and
make
accommodations
to
to
try
to
improve
this
for
their
experience,
but
we
have
certainly
tried
to
be
involved
in
community
engagement
and
speak
with
shareholders.
A
Thank
you.
Public
hearing
is
closed.
Thank
you
all
right,
I'm,
not
seeing
any
other
comments.
I
will
make
a
motion
to
adopt
staff
recommendation.
A
You
know
six
stories
is
also
a
residential
neighborhood,
so
it's
kind
of
frustrating
to
hear
that
I'll
also
just
say
you
know
this
meets
all
the
requirements
and
not
only
does
it
meet
all
the
requirements,
it
seems
exceedingly
appropriate
for
the
site
so
move
to
adopt
staff
recommendation
all
right.
We
have
a
motion
in
a
second.
Is
there
any
discussion?
C
W
F
F
E
Good
evening
Commissioners,
my
name
is
Madel
mouta
and
I
am
here
to
present
the
exterior
building
materials
guidelines.
So
the
proposed
exterior
Building
Material
guidelines
and
the
proposed
zoning
code
text
Amendment
would
introduce
a
set
of
guidelines
that
will
guide
the
application
of
exterior
building
materials.
E
Exterior
building
materials
have
a
variety
of
impacts
on
the
quality
and
safety
of
the
built
environment,
including
life,
safety
building,
durability
and
sustainability,
housing
costs
and
aesthetic
compatibility
with
existing
and
historic
building
stock
Minneapolis
has
been
experiencing
strong
growth
in
population
over
the
last
decade.
That
has
brought
a
significant
amount
of
new
development
to
our
city
and
new
architectural
Technologies
to
the
marketplace.
The
proposed
guidelines
are
intended
to
strengthen
the
city's
ability
to
regulate
and
communicate
the
standards
by
which
we
evaluate
new
construction.
E
So
the
guidelines
would
apply
to
new
buildings
and
additions
subject
to
site
plan
review.
There
would
not
be
applicable
to
one
to
three
unit
residential
buildings
which
are
regulated
differently,
including
incentives
for
durable
materials.
The
guidelines
are
also
not
applicable
to
reclatina
buildings
that
were
never
subject
to
site
plan
review.
E
So
the
guidelines
themselves
would
not
be
part
of
the
zoning
code,
but
there
would
actually
be
referenced
in
the
code
in
chapter
550,
570
building
walls.
So,
at
the
end
of
this
little
section
here
it
has
a
reference
that
says
exterior
building
materials
shall
comply
with
adopted,
exterior
building
materials
guidelines.
E
And
the
reason
for
for
this
being
guidelines,
instead
of
in
the
actual
zoning
code
themselves,
is
to
administer
greater
flexibility
through
alternative
compliance.
If
the
applicant
is
able
to
demonstrate
that
the
materials
meet
the
intent
of
the
guidelines,
the
city's
code
of
ordinances
and
also
the
comprehensive
plan,
so
these
guidelines
would
also
provide
more
flexibility
for
missing
middle
residential
buildings,
which
are
4
to
20
units.
E
They
would
also
provide
more
Equitable
and
predictable
design
outcomes
for
buildings
in
all
parts
of
the
Cities.
That
would
ensure
high
quality,
durable
and
sustainable
materials
are
used
and
also
would
encourage
a
higher
quality
material
at
the
base
of
buildings
and
other
surfaces
near
the
public
Realm.
E
E
We
also
have
have
conducted
peer
City
research
to
understand
how
other
cities
are
regulating
exterior
building
materials
and
have
gotten
a
lot
of
the
new
guidelines
from
there.
Just
you
know,
depending
on
best
practices
in
other
cities
and
again
I
want
to
emphasize
that
this
has
been
an
iterative
process.
We
have
gone
to
designers,
to
developers
to
other
planners,
to
to
get
feedback
on
the
results
or
on
the
guidelines
themselves
and
have
adjusted
accordingly
to
test
the
different
suggestions.
E
E
We
also
looked
at
other
cities
like
Des
Moines
Iowa,
which
has
a
very
extensive
set
of
of
exterior
building
guidelines,
which
is
actually
found
in
their
code,
and
they
break
it
down
between
major
and
minor
materials.
They
even
have
a
percentage
of
a
breakdown
of
where
materials
can
go,
and
also
a
list
of
prohibited
materials
and
I
also
want
to
emphasize
like
that.
These
guidelines
are
even
a
lot
more
strict
than
what
we
have
right.
They
even
will
we'll
mention
like
the
depth
of
how
far
a
material
should
go.
E
E
For
example,
they
also
have
classification
of
materials
lists
that
are
a
lot
more
strict
than
what
we
have
so
some
of
the
the
main
reasons
that
we're
doing
this
again,
building
design
and
exterior
materials
have
an
equity
component
that
relates
directly
to
the
city's
goals
of
eliminating
disparities
between
different
communities
within
the
city
without
clear
design,
expectations
that
are
codified
development
is
often
shaped
by
less
formal
and
more
subjective
processes
at
the
local
neighborhood
level.
E
So
again,
by
having
these
guidelines,
we
are
creating
a
base
line
for
all
the
designs
in
the
city
in
all
the
neighborhoods
I
also
want
to
highlight
the
other
two
goals
that
we
are
focusing
on
again
is
focusing
on
affordable
and
accessible
housing,
while
not
forgetting
to
also
provide
a
high
quality
physical
environment.
For
for
our
residents.
E
So,
as
you
can
see,
a
lot
of
the
reasons
that
we're
doing
this
right
is
is
rooted
directly
in
policy
of
of
guiding
exterior
Building
Materials
in
in
their
design.
E
I
just
want
to
quickly
go
over
some
of
the
topics
that
were
discussed
at
the
Cal
meeting
on
June
15th.
So
one
of
the
topics
that
was
discussed
is
sustainability
and
I
want
to
just
clarify
that
what
we
are
considering
to
be
sustainable
materials
in
this
document
is
our
materials
that
have
a
greater
lifespan
from
the
time
that
they
were
installed
until
the
time
that
they
have
to
be
replaced,
and
so
we
we
do
have
more
extensive
regulations
regarding
sustainability.
But
that's
not
found
in
these
particular
guidelines.
E
Generally,
the
primary
exterior
Materials
Incorporated
on
the
front
of
the
building
must
be
incorporated
on
all
sides,
so
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
that
this
is
taken
directly
out
of
policy
language
from
the
comprehensive
plan
policy,
five
action
step
d,
some
of
the
reason
behind
this
is
because,
since
Minneapolis
2040
does
allow
for
a
larger
developments
adjacent
to
lower
density
developments,
we
want
to
be
a
good
neighbor
right,
so
increasing
like
so
having
having
the
building
materials
compatible
on.
E
All
sides
will
hopefully
create
a
better
environment
for
neighborhood
for
neighboring
developments
and
also
increase
the
level
of
acceptance
of
more
housing
options
in
the
neighborhoods.
So
here's
an
image
you
can
see
I
think
it's
about
a
six-story
building.
It's
it's
very
clearly
visible
on
the
back
side
of
it
like
within
the
neighborhood.
Next
to
you
know,
two-story
two-story
homes,
one-story
developments
and
the
same
thing
with
this
image.
Here
you
can
see
again,
the
front
of
the
building
is
just
as
visible
as
the
sides.
E
The
other
another
topic
was
that
of
style
and
design.
I
think
there
was
a
Express
concern
that
the
guidelines
would
favor
particular
styles
of
design
and
that
they
could
result
in
similar
designs
across
the
city,
which
is
not
what
we
intended.
We
would
like
to
clarify
that
we
we
would
like
many
to
see
many
types
of
design
and
also
have
written
the
guidelines
in
a
way
to
the
designers
have
enough
creative
freedom
and
also
flexibility
to
to
design
how
they
like.
E
We
also
wanted
to
clarify
that
we
would
like
to
encourage
a
simple
palette
of
high
quality
materials,
rather
than
like
a
patchwork
of
of
design
or
other
materials
on
a
building
and
then
ifis.
So
that's
stands
for
exterior
insulating
finishing
system.
E
That
was
another
topic
that
was
discussed
and
it
was
previously
not
allowed
at
all
in
in
our
table,
but
we've
changed
that
and
updated
it
to
be
allowable
at
the
top
of
buildings
and
also
as
a
trim
or
accent
material
and
then
lastly,
I
think
there
was
also
a
concern
that
these
guidelines
would
slow
down
the
the
application
process.
E
Again,
that's
not
our
intent
and
also
I
just
want
to
reiterate
that
these
guidelines
were
basically
based
off
of
the
2014
guidelines.
So
a
lot
of
it
is
not
new.
Just
the
the
table,
I
guess.
E
Yes,
okay,
so
these
are
the
guide
within
the
guidelines
themselves,
I'm
just
going
to
go
over
it.
So
again,
the
purpose
of
the
exterior
Building
Material
guidelines
is
to
provide
design
guidance
for
materials
to
ensure
a
quality
lasting,
affordable
and
beautiful
Urban
built
environment
for
all
communities.
E
Again,
just
reiterating
the
fact
that
this
is
the
Baseline
for
the
design,
The,
Guiding
principles,
priorities
and
general
intent
of
the
guidelines
is
to
ensure
high
quality
and
durability,
sustainability
and
climate,
conscious
selection
of
materials
consistent
and
Equitable
outcomes,
new
develop
to
ensure
that
new
development
is
compatible
and
complementary
to
existing
Urban
and
Architectural
fabric,
and
that
human
scale,
elements
and
building
articulation
is.
E
So
this
is
the
the
table
that's
found
within
the
building
guidelines
and
again
it
it
breaks
down
the
different,
exterior
building
materials
based
on
where
they
are
allowed
in
a
building,
so
breaking
it
down
into
the
building
base
or
podium
the
middle
or
Tower,
the
top,
a
trim
or
accent
material,
and
then
some
of
the
materials
have
specific
standards
for
that
material.
So
again,
over
the
years,
cped
has
done
and
and
gathered
a
significant
amount
of
research
that
has
helped
to
inform
these
guidelines.
E
Along
with
all
this
research,
cped
has
also
conducted
a
significant
amount
of
internal
and
external
Outreach
over
the
years
for
consensus
among
our
development
Partners,
including
members
of
the
development,
Community
design,
professions
and
affordable
housing.
Colleagues
so,
and
we
think
that
what
we
are
proposing
here
represents
a
fair
and
comprehensive
assessment
of
that
input,
and
so
some
of
the
some
of
the
factors
that
that
we
considered
and
research
in
concluding,
which
materials
are
maybe
allowed
nearest
to
the
public
realm,
include
material
composition,
application
and
also
appearance.
E
E
So
other
materials
are
more
desirable
where
there
is
less
pedestrian
traffic
or
further
away
from
the
public
realm,
such
as
the
middle
or
the
top
of
the
of
the
building.
This
way
their
lifespan
can
be
elongated
and
they
won't
experience
problems
with
vandalism,
snow
removal,
equipment
and
cars
and
Etc.
E
I
would
also
like
to
point
out
at
the
table
again.
The
table
does
not
apply
to
one
to
three
unit
residential
buildings
and
that
wood
composite
materials
are
considered
to
be
a
wood
material.
So
again,
looking
at
the
table,
brick
is
allowed.
Everyone
in
a
building
a
CMU,
is
allowed
at
the
at
the
base
of
the
building
as
the
trim
or
accent
material,
and
it
has
an
extra
standard,
a
which
is
that
cmus
shall
not
comprise
more
than
30
of
any
building
and
plane
face.
E
Cmu
shall
not
be
used
on
any
building
wall
adjacent
to
the
public,
Street
or
sidewalk.
Moving
on
concrete
is
allowed
everywhere
on
the
building.
Ifis
is
allowed
at
the
top
or
as
the
trim
or
excellent
material
fiber
cement
is
allowed
at
the
Middle
top
and
as
a
trimmer
accent,
and
here
we
have
this
other
standard
B,
which
is
that
the
material
is
allowable
for
use
at
the
base
of
residential
buildings,
two
and
a
half
stories
or
less
and
any
residential
with
4
to
20
units.
E
E
Stone
masonry
is
allowed
everywhere
on
a
building,
stucco
is
allowed
everywhere,
but
the
base,
unless
it
is
a
missing
middle
building
and
then
wood
the
same
thing
and,
lastly,
we
have
vinyl
siding
that
is
allowed
as
a
trim
or
accent
material.
E
So
the
definitions
here,
let
me
read
the
base
or
Podium
definition,
the
lower
most
stories
of
the
building
that
are
the
primary
interface
between
the
building
and
the
public
realm.
The
base
of
a
tall
building
is
also
known
as
the
podium.
The
base
includes
the
first
story
of
the
building
and
can
include
the
first
story
up
to
the
six-story
dependent
on
context
and
Building
height.
E
So
we
have
gotten
a
lot
of
comments
on
the
base
definition,
and
we
just
would
like
to
clarify
that
we
intentionally
left
it
vague
to
provide
enough
flexibility
for
designers
and
applicants
to
decide
what
the
base
is.
Of
course,
the
base
of
a
two-story
is
vastly
different
from
that
of
a
30-story
building
and
could
even
be
different
on
buildings,
the
same
height
depending
on
what
the
style
of
design
is.
So,
of
course,
if
we're
more
clear
with
that
definition,
it
could
result
into
restrictive
of
guidelines.
E
And
again
we
want
to
be
put
more
favorable
favorable
to
different
styles
of
designs.
We
want
variety
and
we
want
to
allow
design
professionals
to
be
able
to
design,
as
they
will
and
then
moving
on
to
the
middle
or
Tower
definition.
The
stories
in
the
part
of
the
building
that
extends
from
the
base
of
the
building
to
the
top
of
the
building
and
the
top
definition,
the
uppermost
stories
of
the
building
and
rooftop
mechanical
equipment
and
enclosures.
E
Here
is
a
diagram
that
shows
what
the
different
base
might
look
like
on
low
rise,
mid-rise
and
high
rise.
The
top
image
is
showing
where
some
of
those
more
durable
materials
should
be
concentrated
at
like
again
at
the
base
and
near
to
the
public
realm,
and
then
the
lower
three
are
where
less
durable
materials
may
be
concentrated
away
from
the
public
ground.
E
Applicants
may
just
may
demonstrate
how
new
materials
and
Technology
not
listed
above
meet
the
intent
of
the
city's
site
plan
review
regulations,
and
then
flexibility
in
the
utilization
of
materials
may
be
considered
through
alternative
compliance
if
the
design
fulfills
the
intent
of
the
city's
zoning
ordinance
and
comprehensive
plan.
So
again,
we
have
a
lot
of
room
worked
into
into
the
guidelines
for
for
flexibility.
E
This,
for
example,
is
a
building
that
has
metal
on
on
the
base
and
also
the
the
rest
of
the
building.
So
this
is
an
example
of
a
building
that
we
might
or
allow
alternative
compliance
because
they
again
they
have
the
the
metal
on
a
place.
That's
not
as
as
busy
it
doesn't
have
to
to
deal
with
the
wear
and
tear
of
like
pedestrians,
walking
by
again
the
snow
removal,
the
vandalism,
everything.
E
E
The
application
of
materials
of
the
rear
and
side
walls
shall
be
similar
to
and
compatible
with
the
front
of
the
building.
Generally,
the
primary
exterior
Materials
Incorporated
on
the
front
of
the
building
must
be
incorporated
onto
all
sides
and
again,
that's
found
in
policy
language
that
we
have
designs
should
incorporate,
incorporate
a
strong
and
grounded
building
base.
E
The
use
of
brick,
concrete
glass
and
stone
masonry
is
encouraged
to
wear
practical
in
all
exposures
and
elevations
facing
the
public.
Realm
material
changes
should
occur
at
architectural
interest.
Sections
such
as
recesses
setbacks
or
massing
changes
and
material
changes
should
be
articulated
through
transitional
detailing
such
as
substantial
trim,
coursing
or
reveal,
and
the
last
two
guidelines
are
that
materials
that
create
an
oil
canning
effect
are
discouraged.
Here's
an
image
of
what
that
looks
like
and
then.
Lastly,
historic
preservation
standards
take
precedence,
so
that
is
all
and
that
I
have
for
you
today.
A
Thank
You
Adele,
commissioner
Meyer,
has
a
question.
W
Thank
you,
so
I
I
want
to
understand
what
the
changes
from
the
status
quo,
because
I'm
confused
about
it,
so
you're
saying
that
it's
more
flexible
than
the
guidelines
for
Sight
Line
review
that
we've
had
since
2014.
But
we
have
you
know
the
big
stack
of
paper
from
materials
producers
and
other
people
who
are
opposing
these
restrictions.
So
this
is
formalizing
restrictions
that
have
always
always
been
there
in
the
zoning
code.
W
I'm
just
trying
to
understand
why
people
are
so
so
opposed
if
we're
making
it
more
flexible
for
them.
So.
E
It
it
is
a
lot
more
flexible
than
what
it
used
to
be
before
we
would.
There
used
to
be
percentages
allowed
on
on
different
faces
of
of
the
building
and
also
again,
and
then
in
2021.
We
tried
to
codify
those
standards
or
the
guidelines,
and
they
were
also
even
more
restrictive.
So
after
hearing
the
feedback
that,
from
you
know,
people
that
are
concerned
about
different
materials,
we
have
allowed
ifas,
for
example,
that
was
not
allowable
on
any
surface
on
any
building
wall.
W
E
Yeah
basically
like
apart
from
the
table,
because
the
table
is
like
really
like
the
newest
thing
that
was
added
the
rest
of
the
language
like
like
there's
guidance,
for
example,
that
I
read
off
at
the
end,
was
all
from
2014.
W
So
I'll
let
the
people
who
came
here
tonight
you
know
elaborate
more
on
what
it
is
about.
The
changes
that
they
don't
like,
but
I
do
have
one
of
the
questions
before
before
we
they
move
into
that.
Can
you
can
we
just
go
over
what
sustainability
means
again,
so
you,
you
said
in
your
comments
that
it's
about
how
long
the
materials
last
so
it,
but
then
it
also
in
in
the
guidelines
you
they
mentioned
climate
Consciousness,
but
I
didn't
see
it
mentioned.
W
E
This
context,
I,
would
say
well
again
just
to
clarify
that
when
we
are
talking
about
sustainable
materials
in
this
particular
document
in
these
guidelines,
we
are
considering
those
to
be
from
the
time
that
they
are
installed
to
the
time
that
they
have
to
be
replaced.
So
we
want
materials
that
are
going
to
last
longer.
E
I
I
have
a
similar
question
to
commissioner
Meyer,
which
is
you
know.
We
have
this
academic
study
in
front
of
us
that
has
a
whole
variety
of
scientific
data
that
I
haven't
had
a
chance
to
fully
I,
don't
even
know
if
I
could
ever
fully
understand
this,
but
it's
here
and
it
it
the
I'm
taking
the
provider's
word
for
it
that
in
it
it
has
a
variety
of
information
about
the
sustainability
of
some
of
these
materials
and
I.
I
Think
my
question
similar
to
commissioner
Meyer
is
that
we
talked
a
lot
about
durability
and
through
and
I'm,
not
a
what
person
I
leave
that
up
to
commit
to
commissioner
Baxley
because
he's
the
architect
who
knows
all
these
things,
I'm
I'm
more
listening
for
the!
Why?
Why
are
we
changing
these
things
and
I
heard
a
lot
of
sort
of
aligning
the
best
practices
from
other
cities?
I
Conversations
with
designers,
developers
and
planners
helped
contribute
to
this.
So
I
have
two
questions
number
one.
What
what
does
durability
mean
and
how
are
we
assessing
it
and
number
two:
did
we
solicit
input
from
anyone
who
can
help
us
use
data
to
drive
decisions
as
it
relates
to
some
of
these
materials.
E
E
Yeah
I
mean
we
have
like
I
said,
met
with
Architects
and
developers,
and
this.
E
The
the
research
that
we
have
done
again
has
has
not
just
been
for
the
set
of
guidelines.
It's
been
since
you
know
the
2021
getting
input
from
them
and
also
changing
it
according
to
to
research
that
we
have
also
found
of
what
materials
are
more
durable
in
terms
of
like
their
maintenance
and
also
again
like
that
wear
and
tear
that
we've
also
seen
I
mean
a
lot
of
this
is
also
based
on
the
planner's
experience
over.
E
You
know,
15
to
20
years,
just
with
like
the
day-to-day
scene,
what
what
is
successful?
What
is
more,
durable
here
in
our
city.
AC
AD
Thank
you,
chair
Olson,
thank
you
for
the
presentation
and
thorough
information.
I
guess
also
piggybacking
on
some
of
these
questions.
I,
like
the
visual
of
the
chart
and
I,
think
that's
really
helpful.
Is
there
any
way,
though
I
mean
I,
hear
you
said
that
ifas,
for
example,
was
not
allowed.
So
if
we
were
to
have
a
2014
chart,
what
ifas
would
not
be
on
the
chart
is
what
I'm
understanding
right?
Are
there
any
other
materials
on
here
that
have
significant
changes
such
as
that
or
are
added?
AD
If
you
could
just
maybe
go
over
I
mean
I'm
just
make
throwing
this
out
here,
but
vinyl
like
would
they've
been
able
to
use
vinyl
at?
Would
there
have
been
four
checks
prior
and
now
there's
just
one
or
just
wondering
if
you
could
help
us
understand
the
difference,
because
I.
E
Think
that's
helpful
sure.
So
a
lot
of
these
a
lot
of
these
materials
were
on
that
list.
I
don't
have
the
list
with
me,
but
they
it
was
more
restrictive
in
the
in
the
sense
that
we
would
regulate
the
percentages
on
the
different
like
on
the
different
sides
of
the
building.
AD
Okay,
so
besides
the
percentage,
but
all
of
these
other
materials
were
able
to
be
used
prior.
E
Okay,
so
metal
and
wood,
we
are
now
also
more
flexible.
E
Used
percentage,
yes,
okay,
there's
also
like
I'm
trying
to
remember
if
it
was
the
2014
guidelines
that
were
also
like
are
actually
known
as
the
2021
that
even
specified
like
the
thickness
of
material,
but
we're
trying
to
get
away
from,
like
those
like
very,
very
detailed
regulations
and
again
just
providing
a
baseline
for
for.
C
W
Just
one
more
clarification,
question
about
how
climate
is
treated
in
in
the
building
code.
So
so,
when
we
talk
about
it,
there
are
two
different
aspects
of
how
the
building
materials
affects
climate.
One
is
the
embodied
climate
so
or
carbon
pollution
so
like
how
much
is
up
front
in
the
materials
themselves
for
the
production
of
the
concrete
or
whatever
material,
and
then
there's
the
operational
climate
impact,
which
is
the
Energy
Efficiency.
W
So
does
the
building
code
say
anything
about
the
embodied
carbon
pollution,
or
is
it
just
about
the
Energy
Efficiency
and
operational
carbon
I.
A
I
have
a
couple
questions
is
this:
is
this
a
legislative
action,
so
we
are
advising
the
council
okay
I'm,
seeing
an
ad.
My
other
question
is,
like
you
said.
The
all
four
sides
is
in
policy,
so
you're
saying
that
would
have
to
be
a
comprehensive
plan
Amendment
before
we
would
even
talk
about
it.
Okay,
I
think,
maybe
just
for
the
benefit
of
everyone
in
the
room
before.
J
A
E
All
right
so
again
that
language
is
is
also
found
on
the
guidelines
themselves.
So
basically
an
applicant
could
propose
alternative
compliance
by
by
demonstrating
that
a
new
material
or
that
material
should
be
allowed
on
the
base.
For
example,
you
know
I
highlighted
this
building.
It
does
meet
many
of
the
the
different
intents
and
goals
behind
the
guidelines,
so
they
could
propose
alternative
compliance
and
then
get
that
okay.
D
I
could
maybe
answer
that
one
as
well,
so
alternative
compliance
is
something
where
you
can
ask
for
flexibility
from
our
site
plan
review
chapter
and
it
doesn't
require
an
additional
land
use
application.
So
typically,
when
you
deviate
from
a
provision
in
the
ordinance
you're
applying
for
a
variance.
However,
when
it
comes
to
site
plan
review,
it's
a
little
bit
more
flexible
where
it's
something
the
applicant
can
ask
for
through
the
actual
site
plan
review
application
process.
So
then
the
commission
can
grant
it
based
on
findings
such
as
you
know.
D
Is
there
something
here
that
makes
it
impractical
for
them
to
comply
with
the
letter
of
the
law
on
that?
Are
they
doing
something
as
an
alternative
that
doesn't
exactly
meet
the
language,
but
it
meets
the
intent
of
the
code?
So
you
often
see
those
I'm
sure
you
saw
several
tonight
in
reports
that
were
in
front
of
you
for
things
like
shrubs,
or
perhaps
someone
isn't
exactly
complying
with
the
window
percentage.
But
there
are
some
windows
that
we're
not
counting
because
they're
too
high
off
the
ground.
A
A
I
guess
the
city
is
the
applicant,
so
there's
no
applicant
to
speak,
but
if
anyone
would
like
to
come
up
to
the
podium
and
speak,
you
can
come
forward
state
your
name
and
address
for
the
record
and
proceed
with
your
comments.
And
again
everyone
will
have
two
minutes
and
it'll
be
on
the
clock.
AE
Well,
I
was
well
I,
know,
I
was
at
least
second
on
the
list,
so
my
name
is
Joel
Fowler
I'm,
the
business
manager
at
Laborers,
Local
563,
our
Union
Hall,
is
in
Northeast
the
current
one
that
we
have
in
our
new
Union
Hall
will
be
over
on
the
east
side
and
I
believe
Ward
6
we
represent
about
10
000,
almost
11
000
members
in
the
state
of
Minnesota
North
Dakota,
here
to
speak
on
the
exterior
Building
Material
guidelines
as
quickly
as
I
can
so
bear
with
me.
AE
I
believe
we
sent
some
information
earlier
today
to
medell
and
some
of
the
staff
a
lot
of
the
information
that
you
guys
may
have
in
front
of
you
or
we'll
soon
get.
We
made
a
mistake
when
we
first
sent
it
and
didn't
have
the
attachments
and
that's
on
us
just
a
technical
difficulties
where
labor
is
not
computer
guys.
AE
So
that
being
the
case,
I
just
want
to
touch
on
a
few
different
things
that
are
in
the
2040
plan,
also
things
that
were
brought
up
in
the
last
meeting:
affordability,
carbon
intensity
and
durability,
separate
from
the
jobs
that
we
would
lose
as
laborers.
In
this,
if
it
happened
specifically
around
ifs
or
external
installation,
finishing
systems
as
well
as
stucco,
so
on
the
affordability
side
of
it,
you
we
have
RS
means
who
did
a
quick
study.
AE
That
was
the
end
of
quarter
one
here
in
2023,
so
it's
very
accurate
or
I
should
say
very
timely,
and
it
shows
that
ifs
is
a
a
very
affordable
option,
especially
especially
for
the
Aesthetics
that
it
provides
in
comparison
to
concrete
masonry.
Insulated
concrete
panels,
glazing
on
a
on
a
Steel
Curtain
wall
Etc.
It
is
a
much
more
affordable
option
and
some
of
that
information
is
in
there.
AE
So
as
you
talk
about
disparities
and
try
not
to
increase
them
with
a
2040
plan,
you
have
a
very
nice
aesthetically
pleasing
to
the
eye
product
that
you
can
install
on
the
exterior
or
of
a
building
as
a
cladding
system
that
is
much
more
affordable
than
other
similar
products
for
the
aesthetic
that
you
provide.
It's
not
a
structural
system
in
the
sense
that
it's
supposed
to
hold
up
the
building,
it's
a
cladding.
So
it's
for
insulation
purposes,
making
sure
there
is
a
water
intrusion
and
for
the
looks
and
Aesthetics.
AE
So
recently,
some
of
the
different
Eve
wow
I
got
a
long
ways
to
go.
A
AF
Hello,
this
is
the
Wiseman
art
museum
that
you
can
see
is
full
metal
cladding
and
was
built
in
1993
exactly
30
years
ago,
which
is
actually
how
old
I
am
too
so
we've
been
around
for
30
years
and
I
want
to
give
an
example
and
there's
many
examples
in
the
City
of
Minneapolis,
including
that
apartment
building
in
the
North
Loop,
and
also
the
Guthrie
Theater
and
other
buildings
that
are
all
metal,
paneling,
all
the
way
to
the
grass
or
to
the
sidewalk
and
I
think
when
we're
talking
about
the
durability.
AF
Things
like
that.
It's
interesting
to
me
that
glass,
as
a
material
is
allowed
on
every
piece
of
the
building.
Even
though
glass
is
the
least
durable
material
of
all
of
those
I
know
for
sure,
because
my
building
recently
had
a
glass
at
the
base
of
our
building
be
broken
and
two
bikes
were
stolen
yet
last
night,
so
you
know
that
happens
a
lot
in
Minneapolis,
not
that
I,
don't
like
glass,
but
you
know
I
wish
it
was
a
little
bit
stronger,
so
I
think
you
know.
AF
I
was
talking
to
some
other
people
who
I
wish.
They
could
be
here
tonight
to
speak
as
well,
but
given
just
that
these
Building
Material
decisions
are
an
aesthetic
decision.
All
the
building
materials
on
the
chart
are
allowed
on
some
part
of
the
building.
So
you
know
if
there
is
a
hurricane
right
which
hopefully
won't
happen
in
Minneapolis,
but
there's
allowance
on
some
part
of
the
building.
So
it's
not
a
question
of
whether
they
are
storm
resistant,
heat,
resistant,
cold
resistant.
Anything
like
that.
AF
It's
a
question
of
what
it
looks
like
and
I.
Think
that's
more
of
a
question
of
the
activation
on
the
street.
So
I
know
there's
a
lot
of
conversations
here
about.
How
can
we
make
our
buildings
more
better
for
the
neighborhood
I
think
we
should
focus
on
Street
activation
and
not
what
colors
and
number
of
panels
and
things
like
that.
Thank
you.
J
Good
evening
my
name
is
Troy
Cox
I'm
with
local
563
I'm
a
long
time,
member
of
27
years
with
Construction
general
labors
I'm
here
to
talk
about
how
it's
going
to
affect
our
contractors
and
our
workers.
We
got
about
25
ephes
contractors
with
an
average
of
two
workers
that
puts
us
at
50
workers,
jobs
and
careers.
J
J
AG
Hi,
my
name
is
Steve
pedrosine,
I'm,
well,
I,
guess
I'm.
The
former
director
of
the
Minnesota
laugh
at
Plaster,
Bureau
I
wrote
two
articles
on
East
that
are
attachments
to
the
cped
staff
report.
I
hope
you've
had
the
opportunity
to
read
them
and
with
that
said,
I
would
like
to
go
through
something
in
the
staff
report.
I
found
a
little
disturbing
quote:
cped
conducted
a
significant
amount
of
research
and
Outreach
to
establish
the
basis
for
the
proposed
amendment
in
partnership
with
stakeholders
from
the
development
Community,
affordable,
housing,
Partners
design
professions
and
material
manufacturers.
AG
AG
Plaster's
local
265
was
never
contacted
the
plasterers,
the
cement
Masons
have
a
wonderful
training
facility,
I'd
like
to
take
you
there.
It
was
never
contacted.
Also
in
the
room.
Today
are
two
plastered
Supply
Distributors,
no
one
from
staff
reached
out
to
them.
There
is
also
an
in
Eaves
manufacturer,
with
corporate
headquarters
in
Shakopee.
AG
No
one
from
staff
reached
out
to
them
either
the
Minnesota
Building
Trades
council
is
not
aware
of
this
issue
until
we
brought
it
to
their
attention.
In
closing,
cped
staff
has
been
working
on
zoning
code
text
amendments
since
2021..
They
put
this
amendment
out
late
Thursday
last
week,
which
allows
us
basically
one
and
a
half
business
days
to
rebut
I.
Ask
you:
how
is
this
significant
Outreach
with
that
said,
I
respectively,
suggest
that
any
vote
on
this
amendment
be
postponed
until
it
can
be
fairly
and
objectively
addressed?
Thank.
A
Thank
you,
Doug
sweet.
AH
A
AI
Sorry,
good
afternoon,
I've
already
submitted
a
document
for
your
for
the
public
record
and
I'll
just
focus
on
a
few
points
and
then
my
recommendations.
First
of
all,
staff
report
has
put
much
emphasis
on
the
definition
or
the
topic
of
durability.
However,
it
is
not
defined
once
in
the
staff
document,
not
once.
Moreover,
the
expectations
for
durability
are
not
cited.
AI
AI
AI
AI
So
what
I'm
recommending
here
when
I
last
one
more
point?
The
point
was
brought
up
early
today
regarding
the
height
of
where
Eaves
is
currently
authorized
right.
Now
it's
authorized
only
at
the
top
of
the
building.
Ironically,
that's
the
place
of
the
building,
that
is,
the
location
of
the
building
receiving
the
highest
exposure
by
that
logic,
that
Eve
should
be
installed
throughout
the
entire
building,
not
just
the
highest
part
again,
that
is
the
most
arduous
part
for
any
building
is
the
part
of
height.
AI
AC
Foreign
Commissioners,
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
speak.
I'm,
Marcus
kaisinger,
representing
James
Hardy,
Building
Products.
We
make
fiber
cinnamon,
cladding
and
I
just
want
to
say
at
the
outset
that
we're
supportive
of
the
staff's
effort
to
update
the
guidelines.
We
think
they're
a
little
they're
they're
quite
a
bit
better
than
what
they
were
back
in
2014..
We
do
have
have
a
clarification
that
will
request,
but
just
maybe
to
familiarize
yourself
with
James
Hardy
Building
Products.
We
make
fiber
cement
cladding
materials,
it's
in
the
form
of
planks.
It's
in
the
form
of
panels.
AC
AC
So
it's
we
have
a
long
history
of
being
used
in
this
area,
just
perhaps
not
on
as
much
multi-family
buildings
in
the
City
of
Minneapolis,
as
we
think
you
know
would
be
appropriate.
AC
Now,
I'm,
a
company
representative,
but
don't
in
terms
of
durability,
don't
take
my
word
for
it:
FEMA
rates
our
product
as
a
highly
flood
resistant.
It's
its
highest
rating
in
turn,
and
it's
actually
one
of
the
approved
materials
that
are
built
in
flood
zones,
we're
rated
by
the
California
fire
marshal
for
use
in
Woodland
Urban
interface
zones,
so
we're
the
wildfires
out
in
California,
we're
raided
by
the
Miami-Dade
County
for
High
Velocity
hurricane
zones.
So
it's
other
other
agencies.
Other
entities
have
looked
at
our
material
and
determined
that
it
is
very
durable.
AC
Now
we
recognize
that
staff
has
that
perhaps
on
the
base
of
a
building
where
there's
more
Street
traffic,
more
impact,
Etc
that
some
additional
durability
might
be
required.
So
our
our
question
is
about
the
definition
of
the
base.
Currently,
the
definition
of
the
base
is
up
to
it's.
It's
the
first
floor,
potentially
up
to
six
floors
and
that's
very
vague.
AC
AJ
Okay,
I'm
Bill,
Eagan,
I'm
principal
of
Billy
and
group
I
have
a
Consulting
business
that
specializes
in
buildings
and
Construction
Products
prior
to
that.
I
worked
for
35
more
than
35
years.
Actually,
as
in
technical
engineering
roles
for
an
Eves
and
stucco
manufacturer,
I
was
also
one
of
the
speakers
on
the
July
6
call
with
CPE
staff
and
hopefully
provided
additional
information
that
gave
some
additional
insight
into
Eaves.
It
was
great
to
see
that
the
latest
Building
Material
guidelines
recognize
these,
how
it
does
unnecessarily
limit
use
to
Tops
and
accents
of
buildings.
AJ
While
most
of
them
are
chills
can
be
used
at
Mill
and
Tower
areas,
as
well
as
the
lower
portions.
The
the
recent
CP
Ed
staff
discusses
Eve's
application
concerns
about
attachment
directly
to
facades,
with
a
lot
of
means
from
moisture
exit
clear.
This
is
based
on
the
original
barrier
systems
which
are
on
that
handout
that
I,
provided
and
kind
of
gives
a
difference
between
the
eve
systems
and
the
Eve.
So
drainage
systems
and
I
should
also
point
out
the
East
with
Drainage
Systems.
AJ
They
have
and
I
know,
there's
always
concern
and
questions
about,
moisture
and
Eaves,
but
it
should.
The
thing
I
want
to
point
out
is
that
the
eaveswood
drainage
systems
include
a
water
resistant
barrier
or
people
referred
as
Tyvek,
in
addition
to
a
means
with
drainage,
similar
to
other
claddings
that
are
allowed
under
the
material
Building
Material
guidelines
such
as
brick,
stucco,
fiber,
cement
and
wood.
So
it's
unclear
why
eaveswood
drainage
will
not
be
allowed
on
buildings
and
types
of
on
building
materials
and
tops
when
it's
still
in
many
other
respects.
AJ
Eastwood
drainage
provides
many
benefits
and
should
be
allowed
as
a
minimum
for
the
same
years
that
in
which
stucco's
allowed
and
I
show
that
on
that
chart
on
there.
So
in
that
chart
you
can
just
you
can
see
that
I've
put
a
little
check
mark
in
so
that
it
would
be
similar
to
stucco
and
I've
also
made
the
correction
that
it's
not
should
be
Eaves
with
Drainage
Systems,
so
I'd
be
glad
to
take
any
questions.
A
Thank
you
all
right,
Stefan
Sears.
AK
Good
afternoon
Commissioners,
my
name
is
Steven
Sears
and
I'm,
the
executive
director
of
EMA,
which
is
the
industry
Association
for
the
exterior
insulation
and
finish
systems
industry,
a
non-load-bearing
exterior
clouding
used
in
the
U.S
since
the
1960s.
Thank
you
for
this
opportunity
and
thanks
to
for
no
longer
totally
disallowing
East
in
these
guidelines
eats
have
been
a
part
of
the
international
building
code
for
nearly
two
decades
and
have
continually
evolved,
while
the
original
sealed
eefs
are
rarely
used
now,
today's
eats
with
drainage
is
trusted
for
all
kinds
of
building
applications,
Styles
and
geographies.
AK
Eaves
are
much
better
suited
to
deal
with
deal
with
these
new
requirements
than
Legacy
claddings.
Why?
Because
the
R
value
of
the
Eve's
insulation,
which
is
a
measure
of
a
building's
heat
efficiency,
is
20
times
greater
or
more
than
brick,
stone,
concrete,
stucco
and
plain
glass.
East
are
also
a
more
affordable
option
on
a
new
Minneapolis
apartment.
Building
the
installed
cost
of
brick
is
60
percent
greater
than
the
installed
cost
of
eaves.
AK
We
ask
that
East
with
drainage
be
allowed
on
the
same
building
levels
that
stucco
is
or
delay
action
on
these
guidelines
for
further
study
relegation
of
easts
would
not
only
hamper
the
city's
carbon
reduction
efforts.
It
would
also
increase
costs
for
minneapolis's
building
owners
contractors
and
tenants.
Thank
you.
AH
Good
evening,
thank
you.
My
name
is
Barry
Lasseter
I'm,
the
technical
service
manager
for
Seca
Corporation,
representing
Synergy,
fine
Stone
and
Parx
Wall
Systems,
based
in
Shakopee
Minnesota
I've,
been
with
Synergy
and
the
secret
Corporation
for
32
years
and
work
out
of
the
Shakopee
office
along
with
95
other
colleagues
supporting
the
East
industry.
AH
East
has
had
a
long
history
of
offering
durable,
affordable,
sustainable
and
aesthetically
pleasing
buildings
for
over
a
hundred
years,
benefits
of
ease,
numerous
code,
compliances,
energy
efficiencies,
sustainable
aesthetic,
versatility
and
cost-effective.
It
can
basically
deliver
almost
any
desired,
look
and
feel
at
a
fraction
of
the
cost.
AH
Water
and
Air
Management
East
manage
air
and
water
through
the
air
and
water
resistant
barrier
and
adhesively
attached
exterior
insulation.
The
insulation
board
is
attached
with
drainage
channels.
These
channels
effectively
eliminate
moisture
before
it
has
had
an
opportunity
to
enter
the
wall.
Cavity
East,
with
its
many
benefits,
helps
deliver
high
performance,
aesthetically
pleasing
buildings
as
a
manufacturer
of
East
products
based
in
the
state
of
Minnesota
if
affordable,
sustainable
and
aesthetically
versatile
buildings
or
priorities
for
the
City
of
Minneapolis.
AH
AA
Good
afternoon
I'm
Ann
Lutz
I'm,
a
lifelong
Minneapolis
resident
I,
currently
live
across
the
river
at
larive
condos,
my
husband,
Tim
and
I,
launched
a
construction
materials,
distribute
Distribution
Company,
the
let's
company
over
40
years
ago.
We
are
the
Minnesota
exclusive
Distributors
of
driving,
which
is
one
of
the
leading
Eaves
systems
in
the
country.
AA
We,
our
customers,
are
Plastering
and
drywall
contractors
of
all
sizes
from
two-person
Crews
to
large
drywall
companies
with
numerous
small
businesses
in
between
many
are
second
and
third
generation
companies
dedicated
to
the
plastering
trade
and
also
proud
union
members.
Eaves
is
not
a
new
product
in
Minnesota.
Our
database
of
projects
goes
back
to
1983.
We
have
supplied
drive
at
Eve,
sent
over
25
000
projects
in
Minnesota
to
date,
representing
many
millions
of
square
feet
in
Minneapolis.
AA
AL
AL
We
both
agree
on
one
thing,
and
that
thing
is
that
there
should
not
be
any
restrictions
on
Eve's
in
the
City
of
Minneapolis
and
I,
find
it
rather
ironic
that
we're
sitting
in
this
Council
room
and
you
look
around
at
the
walls
and
the
ornateness
of
the
work
that
was
done
in
here
by
plasterers
and
now
you're
looking
to
squash,
their
trade
and
I
speak
for
all
of
my
customers
and
theirs
as
well
that
we
have
a
proven
track
record.
This
whole
durability
issue.
AL
A
You
Marcus.
A
No
cut
you
want
to
try.
A
AM
Yeah,
thank
you
chair.
My
name
is
Jacob
Steen
with
Larkin
Hoffman
attorneys,
and
we
represent
the
safe
building
materials
Association
of
America.
Our
members
include
Louisiana
Pacific,
which
manufactures
LP
smartside,
siding
and
trim
as
I've
outlined
in
our
correspondence
like
our
friends
at
James
Hardy.
We
have
real
concerns
with
the
definition
of
base,
which
is
entirely
ambiguous.
AM
AM
We
also
have
much
broader
concerns
about
the
arbitrary
restrictions
that
are
placed
on
wood-based
products.
The
guidelines
currently
restrict
any
wood-based
products
on
the
base
of
a
building
with
21
or
more
units.
This
isn't
based
on
science.
It's
not
based
on
analysis,
there's
no
stated
relation
to
health
safety
or
general
welfare.
This
is
purely
preferential
and
it's
subjective
with
respect
to
the
intent
that
is
defined.
We've
talked
a
lot
about
climate
and
sustainability
and
I.
Think
it's
important
to
note
that
every
one
of
these
products
meets
the
building
code.
AM
AM
So
this
is
a
renewable,
a
sustainable
product
and
any
statements
that
this
is
less
durable
or
less
climate
friendly
is
provably
false
and
we
have
real
concerns
about
it.
But
we
also
have
concerns
about
affordability
and
I'll
ramp
up
real
quick.
The
city
has
made
significant
effort
to
make
housing
affordable
and
by
eliminating
affordable
products.
You
are
making
affordable,
housing
less
affordable.
So
we'd
ask
you
to
reject
this
arbitrary
language.
Thank
you.
A
I
So
I
I
will
start
by
saying.
I
am
confused
because
I
I
think
what
what
I
would
like
to
see
there's
clearly
a
lot
of
people
that
feel
strongly
about
the
building
materials
that
we
use
in
the
city,
which
is
great
I.
Don't
I
still
don't
know
what
we're
going
from
and
what
we're
going
to
I'm
hearing
that
we're
getting
less
restrictive
on
things
like
Eaves
and
stucco,
and
that
kind
of
thing.
I
But
then
I'm
hearing
testimony
in
front
of
us
that
it's
not
and
I
think
it
would
be
really
helpful
for
us
as
a
commission
before
we
make
decisions
about
this,
considering
the
feedback
we're
getting
both
in
our
packets
and
in
the
audience
to
have
a
better,
clearer
idea
of
what
we're
moving
from
to
two.
What's
the
from
and
the
two
because
I
feel
like
that,
would
help
clear
the
air
on
sort
of
what
I
don't
have
and
would
help
provide
I
think
a
needed
Clarity
for
the
board
to
make
an
informed
decision.
I
I'll
also
say
I
would
recommend.
I
do
feel
like
we
can
help
facilitate
a
bit
of
a
compromise
here.
I
feel
like
that
does
exist
and
I
feel
like
giving
this
issue
more
time
could
potentially
lead
us
there,
and
so
I
would
like
to
recommend
that
we
continue
this
to
the
next
meeting,
as
is
appropriate
or
available
to
us
as
a
body.
Second,.
H
W
Strongly
support
that
motion
and
was
going
to
make
it
myself
I
did
want
to
discuss
some
of
my
reasons
more
and
just
so.
We
can
discuss
a
little
bit,
maybe
at
what
point
we
bring
this
back,
because
I'm
not
sure
necessarily.
The
next
meeting
is
the
right
one.
W
You
know
I
I've
been
on
here
for
quite
a
few
years
and
have
you
know,
seen
requests
to
get
alternative
compliance
from
from
the
status
quo,
so
maybe
that
was
where
some
of
the
confusion
is
coming
in
is
maybe
some
of
these
projects
were
granted
through
alternative
compliance
like
I,
don't
know
if
the
low
is
building
or
whichever
one's
one
of
the
speakers
brought
up
where
we're
granted
in
that
way,
but
it'd
be
really
really
helpful
to
understand
those
things.
W
W
There
is
an
organization
that
is
focused
on
that.
It's
called
the
builders
for
climate
action.
They
have
a
whole
report
on
that
and
I
was
going
to
try
to
have
it
displayed
today,
but
I
guess
it
would
take
some
effort
to
do
that,
but
hopefully,
in
time
for
the
for
the
next
meeting,
we
could
review
some
of
those
slides
because
they
were
surprising
to
me
so
for
the
embodied
carbon
pollution.
W
So
it
might
be
the
case
that
brick
is
more
sustainable
in
the
sense
of
lasting
longer,
but
not,
but
but
might
be.
That
might
be
intention
with
the
climate
impact
of
it
I.
Don't
think
that
brick
would
last
17
times
longer
so
I
think
those.
That
would
be
something
really
helpful
to
look
at.
W
W
They
made
the
claim
that
oh
I
wrote
it
down
that
for
the
the
average
mandate
for
four-sided,
aesthetic
mandates
with
with
partial
Stone
facades,
add
about
twenty
thousand
dollars
per
unit,
and
that
was
specific
to
Minnesota,
so
that
would
be
worth
digging
into,
and
some
of
the
the
photos
that
that
staff
shared
I
thought
were
helpful
of
some
of
the
buildings
that
were
examples
of
things
that
we're
trying
to
avoid
I
think
we
would
really
add
on
to
that
is.
W
If
we
look
at
some
of
these
buildings
and
say
we
don't
like
how
these
buildings
look
from
different
angles
and
if
we
could
try
to
figure
out
okay.
So
if
we
changed
that
with
different
materials,
how
much
extra
would
that
cost
and
how
much
more
or
less
carbon
pollution
would
that
create?
W
I,
I
think
it'd
be
really
good
to
to
get
into
those
details
and
I
was
also
going
to
suggest
I.
Don't
know
what
our
rules
are
around
this,
but
it'd
be
really
nice
to
have
a
listening
session
to
have
have
more
in-depth
discussion
to
show
people
photos
or
to
have
people
show
photos
of
what
they
want
to
see
or
what
they
don't
like
and
and
try
to
you
know
get
into
that
more
so
I
I
think
that
we
could,
you
know
with
with
some
delay.
W
We
could
produce
a
much
better
recommendation
for
the
council.
So
oh
and
the
one
last
thing
I
want
to
mention
is
we
might
get
preempted
on
this
there's
a
bill.
It's
called
the
legalize,
affordable
housing
bill.
W
So
if
it
passed
as
it
was
drafted,
it
would
not
necessarily
mean
we
couldn't
have
regulations
of
this
kind,
but
you
couldn't
do
it
for
aesthetic
reasons,
so
you
could
still
do
it
for
climate
or
durability
reasons
so
I
mean
I'm
I'm
just
putting
to
the
the
commission.
W
W
D
Procedurally,
this
is
a
legislative
action,
it's
not
a
quasi-judicial
action,
but
for
the
record,
so
all
Commissioners
have
access
to
the
same
information
when
they're
making
their
decision
I
would
ask
commissioner
Meyer
to
submit
I,
don't
know
how
you
submitted
Twitter
thread
to
the
clerk's
office
for
the
record,
but
I'm
sure
we
can
figure
something
out
or
if
there's
screenshots
or
links
or
some
way
that
we
can
do
that
just
so.
Everyone
has
access
to
the
same
information
that
you
mentioned
here
and
then
also
just
looking
forward.
We
can't
continue
it
indefinitely.
D
A
Thank
you.
You
walked
into
that
one
well,.
W
Yeah,
you
know
I'm
happy
to
okay.
Do
what
you
need
me
to
do
on
Twitter.
It
might
be
a
lot
of
screenshots
because
there
were
a
lot
of
comments,
but
but
I'm
just
wondering
if
staff
could
recommend
a
time
where
we
have
a
less
busy
agenda
like
like
today.
It's
had
a
lot
of
items
on
it.
I
don't
know
if
you
know
in
advance
ones
that
would
have
a
few
items
but
I
I
would
you
know,
try
to
balance
it
out.
So
we
do
it
when
there
are
a
few
agenda
items.
D
Unfortunately,
right
now,
I
only
know
what
our
July
31st
meeting
is
going
to
look
like
I
would
say
it
seems
like
there's
quite
a
bit
of
information.
That's
being
asked
for
here.
I
think
it
would
be
most
helpful
if
we
could
have
a
list
of
things
that
we're
hoping
to
accomplish
with
the
continuance.
So
the
co-development
team
can
look
into
very
specific
things.
D
AB
I
I
Now,
well,
let's
just
start
with
with
durability
and
climate
change
resiliency.
What
I
would
like
to
do
is
to
put
some,
if
possible,
some
analysis
behind
what
that
means
for
us,
so
that,
like
as
we're
thinking
about
to
commissioner
Meyer's
point
about
brick
versus
glass,
for
instance
like,
what's
the
what
are
the
climate
change
impacts
of
those
those
materials
so
that
as
we're
thinking
about
allowing
or
disallowing
them,
we
have
data
to
support
them
to
the
extent
possible.
I
I'd,
also,
like
I
mentioned
earlier,
I'd,
like
a
a
better
analysis
on
what
what
we
have
and
what
we're
recommending
moving
to
so
that
we
can
see
clearly
what
exists
now
and
where
we're
headed
those
are
the
the
three
things
I
think
I
would
ask
for,
as
we
move
forward.
AD
Yes,
I
would
just
add
to
that
the
you
know
if
we
were
using
alternative
compliances
before
just
like
an
understanding,
because
I'm
hearing
that
I've
heard
two
different
things
today,
that
we
were
not
using
certain
products
prior
and
they
wouldn't
have
been
on
our
chart.
But
now
I
am
hearing
that.
Lo
and
behold
we
do
have
many
buildings
in
the
City
of
Minneapolis
that
we
are
utilizing
this
product.
So
how
did
we
get
to
utilizing?
Those
products
would
also
be
helpful.
Thank
you.
A
Yeah
I
didn't
just
want
to
say
I
know,
thank
you
for
your
work
on
this
I
know
it's
not
an
easy
task,
and
what
we've
seen
so
far
has
been
helpful,
but
I
will
say,
I
think
I
agree
with
the
other
Commissioners
that
you
know
it's
hard
to
understand
all
these
building
materials,
at
least
for
me,
I'm,
not
an
architect.
A
So
thank
you
for
your
work
and
I
would
just
second
saying
like
what
materials
are
becoming
more
restrictive.
If
that
is
the
case
and
just
getting
that
all
on
one
sheet
of
paper,
just
real
simple
would
be
really
helpful.
F
I'll
just
I
think
everybody's
said
what
I
wanted
to
say
here,
but
I
think
we
are
stepping
towards
something
that
is
less
subjective,
aesthetically,
which
I
think
is
a
good
thing.
I
think
flexibility
there
and
something
is
more
performative,
so
I
think
the
things
that
we
can
talk
about
around
getting
embodied
carbide
numbers
just
stated
on
all
our
materials
would
be
a
great
Target,
even
if
we
don't
set
a
goal,
but
so
there's
awareness.
Let's
start
with
that
and
I
think
you
know
this
chart
is
interesting.
F
There's
the
reverse
chart
would
be
more
telling
there's
only
two
or
three
empty
spots,
and
so
it
feels
like
a
discussion
around
except
for
vinyl.
Why
do
we
even
have
this
chart
so
I
think
the
welcomed
discussion
further
with
staff
around
performance
versus
Aesthetics
will
be
good.
So
thank
you
for
getting
there.