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From YouTube: January 3, 2023 Heritage Preservation Commission
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A
I
call
to
order
the
January
3rd
2023
regular
meeting
of
the
Minneapolis
Heritage
preservation
commission.
For
the
record.
My
name
is
Barbara
Howard
and
I
serve
as
chair
of
the
commission.
Just
a
reminder
to
please
silence
your
cell
phones
and
other
electronic
devices
and
to
speak
clearly
into
the
microphone
when
speaking
at
the
diocese
or
giving
testimony
and
Commissioners
be
sure
to
push
the
little
button
on
your
microphones
when
you
speak,
so
that
it
gets
through
to
the
the
on-air
broadcast
with
the
clerk.
B
C
B
A
Our
first
order
of
business
is
to
adopt
the
agenda
for
this
meeting.
We
have
two
items
that
were
continued
from
the
December
13th
2022
meeting
and
both
will
be
discussed
without
a
public
hearing.
Item
number
four
is
Washburn:
Fair
Oaks
historic
district
update
item
number
four
will
be
discussed.
Item
number:
five
is
ideas
for
a
city-wide
Grant
projects
in
2023
and
item
number
five
will
be
discussed.
A
This
is
the
proposed
agenda
item
four
Washburn
Fair
Oaks
historic
district
update
will
have
staff,
presentation
and
commission
discussion
item
number
five
ideas
for
Citywide
Grant
projects
in
2023
will
have
staff
presentation
and
commission
discussion.
Commissioners
may
I
have
a
motion
to
approve
the
proposed
agenda.
Nice.
D
C
A
A
C
A
G
Evening
Madam
chair
members
of
the
commission.
My
name
is
John
Smalley
and
I'm
pleased
to
be
before
you
this
evening.
To
brief
you
on
our
Washburn
Fair
Oaks
historic
district
work
in
progress
in
accordance
with
the
certified
local
government
program
in
2021,
the
Minnesota
state
historic
preservation
office
awarded
Minneapolis,
a
twenty
thousand
dollar.
Certified
local
government
grant
to
hire
a
consultant
to
determine
a
period
of
significance
and
to
identify
a
roster
of
contributing
and
non-contributing
resources
for
the
locally
designated
Washburn
Fair
Oaks
historic
district,
which
was
designated
and
last
updated
in
1976.
G
The
city
provided
a
match
of
six
thousand
dollars
for
a
total
project
budget
of
twenty
six
thousand
dollars.
This
work
was
prompted
by
the
1976
designation
study,
which
is
representative
of
nomination
standards
of
the
time.
The
existing
documentation
lacked
a
specific
period
of
significance
and
a
clear
roster
indicating
which
properties
within
the
district
were
considered
contributing
and
which
were
considered
non-contributing
to
rectify
this.
In
December
of
2021,
the
city
hired
pigeon
Consulting
LLC
to
re-survey
the
district
pigeon
Consulting
found
that
the
period
of
significance
for
the
Washburn
Fair
Oaks
historic
district
is
1863-1939.
G
This
work
provides
a
firm
foundation
for
updating
the
Washburn
Fair
Oaks
historic
district
design.
Guidelines,
which
is
the
subject
of
our
most
recently
funded.
Certified
local
government
grant,
as
this
process
begins,
cped
would
appreciate
one
to
two
Commissioners
to
volunteer
to
attend
Outreach
meetings.
We
anticipate
three,
maybe
five,
to
help
address
residents,
concerns
and
to
share
examples
of
commissioner
deliberations
and
decisions
in
the
past.
We've
had
Commissioners
do
this
and
it
has
helped
our
efforts
tremendously
in
building
good
rapport
with
members
of
the
public
I'm
available
for
any
questions
you
may
have.
A
A
G
H
Thank
you,
chair,
Howard
and
good
afternoon
or
good
evening.
I
guess
Commissioners.
My
name
is
Rob
scalecki
senior
city
planner
in
the
historic
preservation
section
of
cped
today,
I
excuse
me
today.
I
am
bringing
a
memo
in
front
of
you,
as
you
all
have
seen.
Staff
just
have
a
few
questions
regarding
what
initiatives
Commissioners
may
want
to
see.
Staff
apply
for
with
grants
in
this
coming
year.
So
this
was
supposed
to
be
on
the
December
13
2022
agenda.
Just
to
get
some
ideas.
H
I
won't
go
over
each
point
here,
but
I
hope
that
this
can
be
more
conversational
I'd,
be
happy
to
stand
up
here
and
answer
any
questions
that
you
have
for
staff
and
just
hoping
that
these
Five
Points
here
you
were
able
to
review
and
maybe
think
about
and
come
in
front
and
have
a
discussion
about
these.
So
chair,
Howard
I'll
leave
that
up
to
you
how
you'd
like
to
facilitate
the
discussion
with
Commissioners.
Thank
you
and
thank
you
for
coming
to
us.
A
Thank
you
for
coming
to
us
for
asking
these
questions.
I,
don't
know
that
we've
been
asked
very
formally
in
the
past.
So
thanks
for
that,
I'm
really
excited
to
see
all
the
things
you've
already
mentioned
in
here,
but
I
guess
when
I
look
at
Grant
studies,
I
always
want
to
go
back
to
previous
recommendations.
A
H
Thank
you
for
that
question,
commissioner.
Strothers
staff
are
actually
in
the
process
of
drafting
for
the
upcoming
CLG
Grant,
the
potential
of
doing
the
same
process
that
was
done
for
Washburn,
Fair
Oaks
for
5th
Street,
Southeast,
so
5th,
Street,
Southeast,
historic
district,
there's
about
70
properties.
So
it's
a
much
smaller
District.
The
types
of
properties
are
limited,
almost
exclusively
I
believe
exclusive,
well,
with
the
exception
of
one
Church,
they're,
all
residential.
H
So
it's
it's
a
bit
different
scope
from
Washburn
Fair
Oaks
that
had
a
few
different
building
types
and
these
districts
were
designated
actually
at
the
same
time
in
the
70s.
So
we
as
staff
come
to
similar
issues.
One
evaluating
staff
reports
in
5th
Street
Southeast
that
we
do
with
Washburn
Fair
Oaks.
So
that
is,
is
one
that
we're
looking
at
applying
for.
Thank.
I
D
Go
ahead
along
the
same
vein
of
that
with
some
of
the
like
historic
districts
that
are
of
that
same
age.
Are
there
any
others
that
could
be
reevaluated?
That
are,
you
know
from
the
70s
that
could
have
us
like
re-look
at
or
potentially
you
know,
have
better
design
guidelines
because
I
know
we've
run
into
the
issue
with
secondary
buildings
and
stuff,
especially
for
some
of
those
older
historic
districts,
so
I'm
thinking
some
of
the
other
ones,
they're,
probably
more,
that
are
around
that
age
that
could
possibly
get
looked
at
as
well.
H
Thank
you,
commissioner
Nystrom
and
yes
you're
correct.
We
had
discussed,
you
know
potentially
Milwaukee
Avenue
that
was
designated
around
that
time
as
well.
But
there
are,
you
know,
not
only
districts,
but
landmarks
too,
that
we
see
were
designated
in
the
70s
or
80s
that
you
know
have
very
common
preservation
documents
of
that
era.
They're
not
expanded
on
that
much
and
we
would
like
to
see
more
and
more
of
these
be
updated
as
the
years
go
on.
A
J
J
So
that's
something.
We've
been
handling
a
little
more
internally,
I've
had
ideas
of
possibly
you
know,
Grant
ideas
for
maybe
doing
some
other
more
digitization
and
archival
digitization
of
our
records
or
organizing
of
our
records,
but
I
think
we
felt
that
some
of
the
initiatives
that
that
Rob
is
talking
about
take
a
little
bit
more
precedence
over
that,
since
we're
kind
of
with
a
full
staff,
now
we're
kind
of
able
to
tackle
a
little
bit
of
that
piecemeal
at
this
time.
A
Thank
you.
Another
thing
that
interests
me
of
course,
is
following
up
on.
The
audit
is
actually
auditing
related
to
whether
or
not
our
designations
adequately
represent
communities
that
have
historically
been
excluded
from
our
designation
process.
I,
don't
think
that
the
the
summer
audit
did
look
at
things
quite
at
that
Direction,
but
that
would
be
another
thing
that
I
would
be
interested
in
other
thoughts.
I
Go
ahead.
Thank
you,
commissioner.
Howard
I
don't
know
if
this
is
a
topic
that
really
is
particularly
relevant
for
a
study
or
a
grant,
but
I
do
continue
to
have
concerns
about
how
we're
going
to
deal
with
accessory
dwelling
units
and
how
the
Authority,
for
that
relates
to
specific
design
guidelines
for
each
separate
historic
district
and
where
we
might
have
conflicts,
or
we
should
be
aware
at
least
of
what
might
be
the
issues
for
a
particular
historic
district.
That.
A
Definitely
comes
up
quite
a
bit.
We
saw
that
just
in
the
last
few
months.
How
often
that
that
came
up
good
point,
I
think
we've
covered
most
of
your
points
in
here.
I
think
maybe
the
one
we
didn't
is
what
about
engagement?
The
last
number
five
would
Commissioners
prefer
cped,
look
toward
grant
opportunities
that
prioritize
engagement.
Any
thoughts
on
that.
F
F
Think,
as
you
know,
as
we've
tried
to
get
kind
of
more
of
a
diverse
commission
and
staff,
I
still
think
that
there's
probably
a
lot
of
communities
that
were
not
engaging
with
at
kind
of
a
level
of
Grassroots,
so
I
I
struggle
with
the
term
Community
engagement,
sometimes
because
I
think
that
that
has
a
has
a
very
preconceived
notion
that
I
that
I
get
worried
about.
But
I
do
think
you
know
Community
engagement
from
a
perspective
of
asking
questions
and
being
open-ended
about
what
the
results
from
said.
F
Community
engagement
might
be
with
a
mindfulness
of
looking
at.
How
do
we
preserve
history
from
a
perspective
that
feels
right
to
the
communities
we're
engaging
with,
which
might
end
up
being
something
very
different
than
a
designation
study
or
context
studies
in
the
notion
that
we're
used
to
them
being
so?
F
It
would
take
an
interesting
Grant
to
to
leave
something
that
open-ended,
but
I
think
that
would
be
from
my
perspective.
Something
that
would
be
really
exciting
is
to
see
something
that
thinks
outside
of
the
box
and
finds
a
way
to
engage
communities
not
from
a
perspective
of
the
traditional
preservation
means,
but
what's
important
to
them.
And
how
can
we
leverage
that.
A
H
That
is
a
great
question
and
I
think
that's
something
that
now
that
you
bring
up,
we
would
bring
back
and
discuss
among
staff
members
I
think
this
question
was
more
so
prompted
by
the
fact
that
we
did
the
African-American
cultural
heritage,
action
fund,
Grant
engagement,
work,
and
that
was
successful
and
it
brought
in
community
members
to
do
that
kind
of
Engagement,
where
it
was
really
City
staff.
Listening
to
the
community
members
about
what
they
wanted
in.
H
E
Thank
you,
chair,
Howard
I
had
a
question.
It's
maybe
kind
of
irrelevant
to
what
we're
talking
about
now,
but
in
terms
of
like
Community
engagement,
but
I
was
wondering
if
HPC
or
staff
have
ever
done
any
grants
towards
actual
like
Rehabilitation
of
of
properties
or,
if
there's
any
opportunities
for
the
city,
to
help
apply
for
Grants
to
give
out
to
property
owners
who
are
living
in
districts.
Is
that
something
that
we've
explored
in
the
past?
Or
is
that
a
possibility
to
do
in
the
future?.
H
Push
your
booty
thanks
for
that
question.
We
have
briefly
discussed
in
the
past
I
think
maybe
John,
Smalley
or
Andrea
Burke
might
be
better
staff.
Members
to
address
that
I
think
you
know.
In
the
in
the
past,
we've
brought
up
the
idea
of
potentially
trying
to
to
get
money
for
rehabilitation,
whether
that
be
through
grants
or
the
city
program,
and
it's
never
kind
of
risen
to
the
top
as
a
priority
to
a
point
that
we
could
act
on
it.
H
J
Hey
Andrea
Burke,
so
the
complexities
of
that
topic
that
you
mentioned
has
been
the
biggest
hold
up
to
it,
given
that
in
the
past
you
know
there
there's
been
money,
but
it's
largely
through
some
of
our
you
know,
Community
Development,
agency
and
I.
Think
the
the
overlap
is
a
little
complicated
in
terms
of
it
doesn't
necessarily
come
from
our
group
or
our
initiative.
J
It
was
around
1998-99
and
it
ended
up
fizzling
out
due
to
quite
honestly
just
the
complexity
of
trying
to
make
it
happen,
I'm
going
to
keep
it
just
very
general,
but
for
those
reasons
it
hasn't
risen
to
the
top
of
our
list
for
projects
like
this,
it
would
be
a
great
dream
to
see
that
come
to
light
again,
but
probably
stays
a
little
bit
towards
the
bottom
of
the
list,
at
least
at
this
point
in
time.
So
thank
you.
H
A
J
You
first
of
all,
I
want
to
say
thank
you
and
welcome
back
for
2023
of
the
Heritage
preservation,
commission
and
I
want
to
start
for
first
introducing
our
two
new
Commissioners,
who
I
am
very
happy
to
have
here
by
our
first
meeting
in
January
and
I,
want
to
make
sure
I
would
like
both
of
you
to
pronounce
your
last
name,
so
that
make
sure
that
we're
all
saying
them
correctly,
but
I
will
start
with
Paul,
so
Paul.
If
you
would
like
to
introduce
yourself,
please.
J
Thank
you,
but
they
have
joined
us
today
and
have
started
their
terms
along
those
notes
along
those
lines.
I
wanted
to
give
an
update
kind
of
for
the
next
month
because,
generally
some
of
these
elections,
we
don't
get
around
until
possibly
March
or
even
April.
By
the
times
we
get
new
Commissioners
on
board,
but
we
have
been
very
on
on
task
this
year.
J
So
I
wanted
to
give
an
update
that
at
next
meeting
on
January
17th,
we
will
take
verbal
nominations
for
officers
me
say
right
now:
chair
Howard
and
vice
chair,
sanvold
and
then
secretary
is
Claire,
Vander,
Ike,
so
kind
of
to
similar
years,
we'll
take
verbal
nominations
for
for
our
staff
officers.
So
if
you
are
interested
in
serving
in
a
seat,
please
feel
free
to
nominate
yourself
or
someone
else
and
then
at
the
next
meeting
on
January
31st
we'll
do
verbal
elections
so
for
that
so
no,
no
pre-work
was
it
but
I.
J
J
Sounds
good
and
then
you
know
we
have
two
additional
meetings
in
January
so
but
you've
seen
that
on
the
schedule
and
then,
as
I
believe
everyone
was
notified
of
other
than
maybe
commissioner
Struthers,
as
you
can
see
by
the
screen.
We
are
now
broadcast
live
in
2023,
so
that
is
a
new,
at
least
for
us,
but
I
think
it
will
be
actually
a
good
thing
to
get
a
little
bit
more
awareness
out
there.
But
that
concludes
my
updates.
Thank.
A
Seeing
none
and
with
that
we
have
completed
all
items
on
the
agenda
for
this
meeting.
I'll
ask
members
and
staff
one
more
time
if
there
are
any
other
matters
to
come
before
the
meeting
there
being
no
other
business
to
come
before
this
meeting
and
without
objection,
I
will
declare
this
meeting
adjourned.
The
next
regular
meeting
of
the
Heritage
preservation
commission
is
Tuesday
January
17
2023..