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From YouTube: August 7, 2023 Community Commission on Police Oversight
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A
A
Recordkeeping
I'd
like
to
ask
that
if
you
have
a
question,
commissioner
or
comment,,
if
you
would
please
turn
your
mic
on
and
there's
a
little
person-shaped
thing,
and
it
will
turn
green
and
you'll
know
that
your
mic
is
on.
and
when
you
finish
speaking,
if
you
could
turn
it
off
so
that
we
don't
have
any
hot
mic
situations,.
I
think
we
would
all
appreciate
that
as
well.
and
also
final
request,,
when
you
do
speak,.
If
you
could
say
your
name
before
your
question
or
comment
just
for
recordkeeping.
I'd.
A
A
A
A
Oh,
sorry.
there
was
a
discrepancy
between
the
agenda
that
went
out
to
the
public
and
the
one
that's
presented,
tonight.,
it's
pretty
minimal.,
but
I
just
think
in
general.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
the
agendas
are
together..
I
don't
know
if
two
different
staff
or
two
different
are
putting
them
out.
yes.,
but
for
the
next
meeting
I
would
like
to
see
that..
A
A
Acceptance
of
minutes,
introduction
of
office
of
police
conduct
review
staff,
review
of
meeting
norms,.
Then
we'll
have
our
guest
speakers
from
global
rights
for
women,,
we'll
have
our
guest
speaker,
chief
brian
o'hara,,
that's
item
7.
item
8
will
be
a
guest
speaker,,
joel
fussy,
assistant
city,
attorney,
and
item
9
is
chair
report.
A
A
A
I
don't
have
to
have
a
new
reason.,
I
can
have
a
motion
and
it
can
be
not
seconded,,
it
can
be
failed
and
I
can
still
bring
it
up..
It's
not
prudent
to
keep
addressing
things
that
the
commission
has
already
decided
on..
I
think
it's
prudent,,
because
the
public
has
been
saying
that
they
want
the
public
comment
at
the
beginning.
and
in
answer
to
your
question,.
Is
there
anything
different,
we're
in
an
anomalous.
A
You
brought
up
about
access
to
commissioners
as
well.,
I
think
--.
I
don't
think
it's
per
our
norms
to
interrupt
me..
I
think
I
have
a
right
to
say
why
I
want
to
put
this
on
the
agenda.
and
I
think
I
have
a
right
to
move
the
motion
that
the
public
comment
be
at
the
top
of
the
agenda,
for
the
reason
that
the
public
right
now
has
no
ability
to
contact
any.
Member
of
the
commission.-
there's
no.
A
A
C
A
A
I'd
just
like
to
state
my
support
of
the
mission
is
due
to
the
fact
that
in
our
previous
meeting,
the
public
pointed
out
that
some
of
the
people
they
wish
to
hear
the
public
comments
were
no
longer
in
the
meetings
by
the
end
of
the
meeting.
and
by
keeping
it
at
the
end
of
the
meeting.
Some
of
those
comments
are
missed
by
the
relevant
authorities..
So
that
is
why
I
would
support
the
move
to
the
beginning
of
the
meeting.
A
A
A
A
A
D
Should
be
placed
based
on
the
number
who
sign
up.,
we're
talking
about
five
people
and
ten
minutes.,
it
seems
to
me
if
we're
going
to
have
meaningful
engagement
with
the
public,.
We
don't
have
anything
else
set
up
for
that,
that
we
should
consider
at
the
beginning
of
each
meeting
where
public
comment
should
be
based
on
the
number
of
people
who
have
signed
up..
So
that
is
my
motion.
D
D
Thank
you.,
I'm
sorry
about
the
technical
difficulties.
I'm
having.,
I
think
for
me,
five
people
in
ten
minutes
is
kind
of
a
baseline.,
but
I
wouldn't
set
one
like
that..
I
think,
if
there's
a
particular
meeting
that
might
call
for
no
public
comment
at
the
beginning,,
we
could
consider.
I'm
going
to
interrupt..
I
think
your
mic
has
gone
back.
A
Okay.
gotcha.,
so
in
answer
to
your
question,
commissioner
loar,,
I
don't
think
there's
a
baseline.
in
general.
I
think,
though,
that
ten
minutes
at
the
beginning
of
a
meeting
for
five
people
gets
to
your
comment
about
making
sure
those
all
five
of
those
people
are
able
to
stay..
I
think
that
we
kind
of
look
and
take
the
pulse
at
each
meeting
and
that's
what
my
motion
would
go.
To.
there
really
is
no
baseline..
A
Clarification?,
what
if
someone
comes
to
the
meeting
late??
Are
they
not
allowed
to
speak
if
we
have
five.?
So
if
we
have
five
speakers
that
show
up
at
6:00
and
then
five
more
show
up
at
7:00,
that's
when
they
can
get
here,,
are
they
not
allowed
to
per
this
motion?
Speak.,
I
think
it's
up
to
us..
We
could
have
a
bifurcated
public
comment..
We
could
have
a
public
comment
at
the
beginning
for
people
who
are
here,
and
we
could
allow
for
a
public
comment
at
the
end
of
the
meeting..
A
E
As
well,,
because
we
can
stay
on
the
topic
of
discussion
based
all
of
the
agenda
of
the
day
and
not
have
the
agenda
being
correct
as
far
as
how
everything's
floating
around.,
I
think
that
this
is
beginning
to
be
a
huge
distraction
of
the
focus
of
what
it
needs
to
be
on
the
daily
--.
On
the
meeting
basis.,
and
I
thought
there
was
supposed
to
be
a
generalized
email
to
where
the
public
would
have
an
opportunity
to
email.
E
A
A
A
A
A
Gurian-Sherman.
yeah.,
I
would
like
to
see
added
to
the
agenda
a
discussion
about
trainings.,
it's
old
business..
It
should
have
been
on
the
agenda..
I
brought
it
up
at
the
last
meeting..
I
asked
if
it
would
be
on
the
agenda
this
time,
so
we
could
get
a
schedule.,
it's
not
on
the
agenda.,
and
I
have
a
further
motion
to
discuss
what
commissioner
newman
just
referenced,,
which
was
we
had
a
motion
at
the
last
meeting
that
passed,
requesting
the
staff
to
come
back
with
alternatives
for
communications..
A
A
A
A
A
A
Clarification
question.:
what
about
trainings
exactly?
trainings
is
a
big
topic..
Do
you
mean
community
trainings??
Do
you
mean
trainings
for
us
as
commissioners??
Is
there
something
personally,
you
don't
feel
trained
enough
on
and
you
personally
need
more
training
onto
volunteer
training
for
all
of
us?
is
hard.,
so
just.
B
F
A
Session.,
so
my
feeling
is,
we
should
have
had
them
all
in
a
session..
They
are
requiring
it.,
I'm
not
making
the
rules
here.,
the
ordinance
says
that..
So
I
feel
that
if
we're
going
to
be
in
panels
together
and
we're
going
to
be
on
committees
together,,
we
should
all
be
on
the
same
page
with
at
least
the
mandatory
trainings
that
the.
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
G
G
G
G
A
A
A
Commissioners
maintain
a
productive
and
respectful
meeting
environment.
and
we
are
keeping
these
at
the
forefront
of
our
proceedings
so
that
we
can
do
the
work.
This
commission
was
established
to
do
in
a
way
that
respects
the
resources,
expended
through
each
commissioner's
time
and
talent,
as
well
as
the
city
and
the
wards
that
we
represent.
next.
A
A
Having
us
here
this
evening
to
present
our
report,
an
institutional
analysis
of
the
minneapolis
police
response
to
domestic
violence.,
my
name
is
cheryl
thomas,
and,
as
your
colleague
said,,
I'm,
the
executive
director
of
global
rights
for
women.
and
my
colleague,
here,
rhonda
martinson
is
a
consultant
with
our
organization
and
did
really
the
lion's
share
of
research
on
this
report..
So
I'm
hoping
that
we
can
present
the
report's.
H
H
H
H
Always
focus
on
is
domestic
violence..
Domestic
violence
is
the
most
common
form
of
gender-based
violence
that
we
know
in
the
world.
Today..
That's
what
the
statistics
that
we
have
at
least
show..
The
united
nations
has
called
this
a
pandemic,,
possibly
the
greatest
human
rights
violation
of
our
time.
every
country,
where
the.
I
I
A
That
report
came
out,.
We
contacted
members
of
the
office
of
police
conduct,
review
and
decided
that
we
really
needed
to
focus
on
the
minneapolis
police
response
to
domestic
violence
right
here
in
minneapolis
and
figure
out
what
was
happening,
what
was
happening
when
victims
and
survivors
called
the
police,.
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
Something
else
you'd
probably
like
to
know..
My
name
is
rhonda
martinson,
again,
by
the
way,
is
that
we
looked
at
police
reports
that
were
randomly
selected,.
In
other
words,
we
didn't
sort
of
look
at
certain
shifts
or
look
at
certain
people,,
because
the
idea
of
institutional
analysis
is
not
to
look
for
someone
to
point
fingers
at..
We
assume
that
people
that
are
doing
work
in
public
service,
such
as
police
and
prosecutors,
chose
that
for.
A
A
A
A
Managing
or
adhering
to
its
obligations
in
international
law
to
treaty
obligations.,
so
this
report
is
different..
In
this
report
we
selected
a
group
of
people
that
were
really
a
major
stakeholders
in
the
issues
we
were
addressing.,
our
staff,
of
course,,
the
police
commander
and
lieutenants,
and
the
domestic
violence
unit..
We
had
a
judge
on
our
working
group.
Who's
had
a
lot
of
experience
in
thinking
about
the
judicial
response
and
how
that
ties
in
to
police
and
prosecutors
to
domestic
violence..
We
had
a
probation
officer
on
our
team..
We
had
the
service
providers
that
I
mentioned.
J
A
A
A
We
look
forward
to
working
with
our
institutions
to
address
these
gaps.
and
I'm
just
going
to
go
through
them
very
briefly,
right,
now.
and
then
also
answer
your
questions.
If
you
have
them
tonight.
they're
in
the
report
outlined
extensively.,
the
report
itself
is
about
140
pages.,
there's
also
an
executive
summary
that
gives
you
these
seven
gaps
in
kind
of
a
good
short
outlined
way.,
and
I
want
to
actually
start
with
gone
on
arrivals..
A
A
A
A
A
H
H
Thank
you.,
I'm
stacey
gurian-sherman.,
it's
a
remarkable
report..
I
didn't
get
a
chance
to
read
the
140
or
50-page
report,
but
I
did
read
the
executive
summary..
It's
remarkable..
Your
work
is
really
valuable.
appreciate.
It.
thank
you..
I
think
it
would
be
very
helpful
for
us,
as
commissioners
on
the
community
commission
on
police
oversight,
to
get
both
of
your
takeaways
or
feedback
on.
A
A
A
A
B
Rights
report
and
the
doj
report.,
but
now
I'm
kind
of
glad
that
it
did
happen
that
way
because,
as
I've
read,
the
reports
together
there's
a
lot
of
similarity
and
overlaps
between
them,,
especially
in
the
areas
of
things
like
discipline,
supervision
and
training..
So
that
makes
me
feel
that
there
is.
G
G
A
A
A
B
A
A
Officers
themselves
to
receive
the
kind
of
supervision
and
training
that
you
were
talking
about..
So
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
for
this
report..
What
I
found
fascinating
is
the
seven
gaps,
but
in
my
day-to-day
in
kind
of
talking
with
officers,,
what
is
interesting
is
the
lack
of
training
when
it
comes
down
to
when
there's
actually
a
victim
at
a
residence,
and
the
person
is
there..
I've
had
interactions
where
they
left
the.
B
Person
there,
the
abuser
there
annotate
danco.,
and
when
I've
called
and
asked
the
response
was
oh,,
we
didn't
know.
and
I've
asked
the
lieutenant..
That's
not
what
our
training
told
us.
and
I
said
we
need
new
training,
because
that
is
not
appropriate
to
leave
the
person
who
has
a
danco
against
them
sitting
there
with
the
victim
and
you
drive
away.,
and
so
I
think
this
highlights
the
main
thing
about
training
and
if
they're
asking
for
more
training,
we
need
to
take
that,.
I
hope
the
chief
and
people
hear
that.,
because
that
was
inappropriate.
B
K
K
K
K
K
K
K
How
lasting
horrific
deadly
possible
consequences.
so
when
a
police
officer
comes
into
a
scene
of
domestic
violence
here
in
minneapolis,,
they
should
be
understanding
if
there's
been
a
head
injury..
There
is
now
services
for
head
injuries.
and
people
that
know
about
what
the
consequences
are
in
our
community
here
in
our
health
provider,
community.
yes.
K
Thank
you
so
much
for
this
report.
I'm
wondering
what
kind
of
response
you've
had
from
institutional
leadership
so
far,
and
if
your
workgroup
is
going
to
continue
to
meet
or
monitor
the
response.
yes,
we
do
plan
on
that..
We
are
a
nonprofit
agency.,
so
we
will
have
to
find
funding
for
that..
We
spent
many,
many,
many.
K
K
K
I
would
say,
without
exception,,
each
of
the
people
that
we've
met
with
so
far
have
thoroughly
read
the
report,
thought
it
was
a
good
report,.
Again,
noticed
the
overlap
between,
in
general,
between
like
the
supervision
and
training
issues
and
the
doj
and
human
rights
report,
and
have
made
a
commitment
to
working
with
us
in
whatever
way
is
possible
in
the
future
to
implement
some
of
the
recommendations
that
we
made.
K
K
K
yeah,.
I
think
that
you
should
be
having
the
same
training
that
the
officers
do,
that
you
are
providing
oversight
for.
and
one
of
the
things
that
I
think
officers
are
tired
of.
Is
it's
not
helpful
just
to
put
somebody
up
here
like
me
and
blab,
about
a
powerpoint
for
30
minutes
and
sit
down.,
a
training
should
be.
K
K
Rudely,
impatiently
sometimes,
being
treated
with
perhaps
you've
got
to
live
this
way
in
this
neighborhood.,
and
so
I
think,
one
of
the
things
that
our
report
points
to
pretty
well,,
as
well
as
the
doj
and
human
rights
report,.
It's
not
enough
to
say
I'm
doing
a
training
on
implicit
or
explicit
bias,.
Here's
a
powerpoint
for
30
minutes,
you've
got
to
have
a
multidisciplinary
audience,
so
people
can
react
in
the
way
that
they
would
at
work..
How
do
you
make
the
violence
visible
to
the
next
person
who
has
to
action
on.
K
K
Our
time
that
I've
devoted
to
each
of
our
guests.,
what
I
will
ask
is,
if
you
have
a
question
for
them,,
if
you
could
email
it
to
me,,
and
I
will
group
all
the
questions
that
I
receive
and
send
to
them,
and
I'll
share
the
answers
with
everybody..
Is
that
okay?
just
so?
We
can
stay
on
track,
here.
thank
you..
K
K
good
time,
keeping
too.
thank
you.
on
the
time
keeping..
But
thank
you.
item
7
on
our
agenda
is
a
look
at
the
minnesota
department
of
human
rights
and
the
city
of
minneapolis
settlement
agreement
and
order
with
our
guest,
minneapolis
police,
decide
chief,
brian
o'hara.
and
I'd
like,
again,
for
us
to
let
him
get
through
his
presentation
and
save
questions
for
him
until
the
end.
thank
you.
chief
o'hara,,
you
can
pick
a
mic.
K
K
K
K
K
K
K
Folks,
here
in
city
government.,
we
were
able
to
change
the
state
law..
I
presented
a
couple
months
ago,
a
table
of
organization
to
the
municipal
council
that
was
initially
approved,,
I
believe
in
february.
and
this
past
week,.
I
was
able
to
get
the
final
approvals
that
I
needed
both
to
ratify
the
change
in
state
law
and
also
to
add
two
additional
deputy
chiefs
to
the
minneapolis
police,
department.,
so
effective,
actually,
tomorrow,.
The
minneapolis
police
department
will
be
divided
in
two
divisions,
similar
to
how
the
fire
department
in
minneapolis
is..
K
K
K
Just
to
meet
the
bureaucracy
and
how
things
have
always
been
done
here,
but
to
show
structure
and
accountability
over
what
we
believe
is
actually
most
important..
So,
if
we
think
earning
trust
is
just
as
important
as
crime
fighting
operations,
that
should
be
reflected
on
the
table
of
organization..
If
you
look
at
any
table
of
organization,,
you
will
see
what
is
actually
important..
B
Investigations,
and
a
section
for
use
of
force
investigations,
that
shows
how
seriously
we
take
those
issues..
Similarly,
with
constitutional
policing,
we're
creating
an
entire
implementation,
unit.
there's
currently
a
commander,
that's
overseeing
that
implementation,
unit,
yolanda,
we're
in
the
process
of
hiring
civilian
staff.
B
B
Level
of
urgency
and
the
same
level
of
accountability
both
over
both
the
core
functions
of
our
agency,,
which
is
to
have
fewer
victims
of
crime
and
violence,,
but
to
be
doing
so
in
a
way
that
earns
trust
with
members
of
our
community..
So
I
think
it's
honestly.
I
think
it's
really
that
simple.
and
that's
why
the
department
has
been
restructured.
That
way.
and
I.
B
B
B
B
B
Made
very
significant
appointments
and
transfers
of
people
today,,
and
I
know
that
sends
a
very
strong
message
internally
to
what
I
believe
is
important.,
and
I
believe
that
will
help
me
move
the
department
forward
in
the
direction
that
people
want
to
go.
at
the
same
time,
going
forward
and
beginning
next
week,
with
these
community
engagement
sessions,,
I
think,
is
absolutely
necessary
for
people
to
try
and
hear.
again,.
I
think.
B
B
and
people
who
are
frustrated
with
us,.
Rightfully
so,
will
need
to
see
that
we
will
keep
coming
back
and
coming
back
and
that
we
are
sincere
and
genuine,,
and
we
want
our
residents'
input
in
what
the
policies
and
practices
of
the
police
department
will
be
going
forward..
That
is
the
whole
purpose
of
doing
those
meetings
under
the
legal
agreement.,
but
I
think
it
is
absolutely
necessary
if
we're
going
to
start
coming
together
for
people
to
start
seeing
one
another..
B
The
one
thing
that's
obvious
to
me
that
doesn't
seem
to
get
mentioned
is
it
can
seem
at
times,,
especially,
I
think,
from
the
perspective
of
a
lot
of
our
officers,.
I
think
we
have
lost
so
many
members
of
this
department
that
I
think
a
lot
of
our
officers
have
felt
like
they
have
been
painted
with
a
broad
brush,
that
they
have
been
judged
by
people
who
do
not
know
them
personally.,
and
they
have
been
judged
despite
the
fact
that
these
are
the
people
who
have
remained,
and
the
vast.
B
M
G
Many
of
our
cops
have
that
they
share
with
our
residents
that
just
people
have
not
seen.
Is
this
common
trauma
that
people
have
experienced.?
I
think
if
we
begin
to
have
conversations
and
we
begin
to
engage
in
a
meaningful
way
and
people
can
hear
from
the
perspectives
of
our
police
officers
and
what
they
have
been
through
and
cops
can
hear
from
the
perspectives
of
residents
and
what
they
have
experienced,.
I
think
that
has
potential
for
us
to
really
try
and
begin
to
have
progress
and
move
forward
together..
So
that's
just
kind
of
the
--.
G
G
B
Measure
of
success
is
people
will
feel
safer
and
more
people
will
say.
I
trust
minneapolis
police
officers,.
I've
had
more
positive,
minneapolis
police
officers,.
I
know
the
cop
in
my
community,
in
my
neighborhood,,
and
I
know
that
he
has
our
residents'
backs..
That
is
the
real
goal..
This
is
not
--
to
me.
L
L
B
B
B
Believe
strongly
that
if
we
are
changeing
culture
here,,
we
need
to
be
changing
the
little
things
to
make
it
easier
for
us
to
change
some
of
the
bigger
issues
that
we
have.
at
the
same
time,.
It
is
a
weakness,
because
things
that
I
would
expect
to
be
happening,
aren't
necessarily
happening.
and,
as
an
outsider,
coming
in,.
I
am
not
in
every
single
precinct
and
every
shift.
B
B
B
G
P
Trauma.
and
it's
not
going
to
be
a
series
of
community
meetings
in
the
evening
for
a
couple
of
hours.,
it
really
brings
to
mind
to
me
from
a
justice
and
human
rights
perspective,
a
truth
and
reconciliation,
commission
kind
of
work.,
and
maybe
that's
a
perspective
that
can
inform
the
work
of
this
commission
as
well..
P
C
K
K
K
L
B
B
and,
in
my
experience
and
in
my
education,
everyone's
on
board,,
that
police
aren't
supposed
to
be
social
workers,
that
we
want
to
give
experts
the
workload
that
the
experts
are
good
at
and
not
throw
everything
on
the
police,
you
know,
recognizing
in
the
past
40
years,
we've
dismantled
our
social
services
programs
and
just
thrown
everything
on
the
police,.
Now
our
jails
are
our
number
one.
B
Mental
health
institutions
in
this
country.,
so
everybody
seems
to
be
on
the
same
page,
about
alternative
police
responses,,
but
something
happens
either
in
the
politics
or
in
the
nitty
gritty
on
the
floor
somewhere,,
where
there's
a
huge
roadblock
where
it
becomes
don't
take
this
work
away
from
the
cops..
So
I
was
just
wondering:
are
you
on
board
with
all
these
different
funding
ideas,
and
would
you
be
willing
to
champion
those
different
funding
ideas
for
different
responses
that
aren't
necessarily
uniformed?,
because
I
mean
we
have
precedent
in
this
city
for
active
police
chiefs
politically
or
not.
B
B
B
B
Initiated.,
but
from
what
I
have
been
told
internally,,
there
was
a
lot
of
resistance
to
that.,
but
I
can
tell
you
today
my
own
experience
here
over
the
last
eight
months.
In
the
beginning,
it
wasn't
--
when
I
first
started
here,
it
wasn't
necessarily
24
hours,
and
the
cops
on
the
street
would
go
crazy
if
the
bcr
unit
wasn't
available.
today,
they
absolutely
love
it
because
they
see
the
value
of
it.
and
we've
gotten
back
from
the
county,
we've
gotten
social
workers
embedded
in
our
precincts..
B
And
street
cops
know
this
too,,
because
there's
certain
addresses
or
certain
places
that
you
wind
up
going
to
over
and
over
and
over
again,,
because
there's
nobody
else
to
call.
and
we're
the
ones
who
will
show
up..
But
if
we
did
have
a
social
worker
or
someone
else
available,
we
might
actually
be
able
to
fix
the
underlying
reason.
That's
creating
us
to
have
to
go
there
in
the
first
place..
So
the.
B
Other
reason
why
it's
so
important
to
get
cops
out
of
things
that
they
shouldn't
be
doing
is
you'll
notice.
The
first
thing
that
happens
whenever
there's
a
dramatic
reduction
in
the
police
force,,
whether
it's
layoffs
or
like
here,.
There
was
mass
attrition,,
the
things
that
go
first
in
that
type
of
crisis.
B
Is
exactly
what
you
need?
The
most,
you
know?
community
engagement.,
that
kind
of
stuff
disappears.,
because
you
have
to
keep
responding.,
you
have
to
keep
pace
with
911
calls
and
violence
is
going
up..
So
you
have
to
have
people
that
are
available
to
investigate
those
crimes,
which
takes
a
lot
of
time..
If
we
are
better
able
to.
B
B
Alternatives
to
policing,
sort
of
restorative
programs,
and
really
prevention
in
the
first
place.
I'm
trying
to
--.
I
have
a
good
relationship
with
a
lot
of
the
community
based
violence
prevention
groups
that
are
here
in
the
city..
That's
something
that
I
was
very
much
involved
with
in
my
previous
job.
and
I
looked
to
continuing
to
find
ways
to
support
them
as
well,,
because
I
think
that's
part
of
the
answer.
Also.
B
Is
the
community-based
organizations
having
a
bit
more
ownership,
having
the
funding
and
having
the
resources
that
they
need
to
do
some
of
the
preventative
work
in
the
community
that
winds
up
then
being
publicly
people
point
the
finger
at
the
police
department.
and
we're
not
the
best
trained
or
suited
to
deal
with
some
of
these
issues.
commissioner,?
I
don't
know.
B
I'm
mara
schanfield.,
thank
you
for
being
here..
Thank
you
for
your
comments..
I
have
a
lot
of
questions,,
but
the
one
I'm
going
to
ask
you
is:
you've
talked
a
lot
about
the
mdhr,
implementation
of
that
consent.
Decree..
What
do
you
think
going
forward
will
be
the
biggest
challenges
in
coming
to
agreement
with
the
feds?.
B
B
O
B
We'll
have
--,
I
know
we'll
have
probably
one
or
two
attorneys
locally
from
the
us
attorney's
office
involved
working
with
us,
as
well
as
one
or
two
from
main
justice
in
dc.,
and
those
folks
are
very
experienced
in
doing
this
work.,
it's
not
going
to
be
the
first
police
department,
they've
done
it
in..
One
of
the
members
involved
in
the
investigation
here
was
someone
I
knew
because
I
worked
with
in
the
consent
decree
in
newark.
B
B
O
B
Oakland,,
it's
been
almost
20
years,
they've
been
under
a
federal
consent,
decree.
and
a
criticism
that
you
will
hear
from
that
process
is
the
way
it's
set
up,
there's
almost
sort
of
perverse
incentive
for
monitoring
to
continue
to
monitor.,
because
as
long
as
they
have
to
stay
appointed
by
the
court
to
monitor,,
they
continue
to
get
paid
year
after
year.,
and
it
is
not
their
job
to
actually
implement
reform..
B
B
B
I
appreciate
that.,
but
there
are
four
councilmembers
who
voted
against
this
commission
because
they
didn't
feel
that
it
had
enough
clout
in
the
disciplinary
process,,
because
you,
as
the
chief,
under
state
law,,
have
the
final
say..
So
to
hear
you
say
that
that
is
something
that
you're
willing
to
see.
If
can
be,
changed
is
really.
B
Something
that
I
think
will
address
this
community's
frustration
for
the
last
50
years,,
where,
from
the
time
you
report
a
complaint
till
the
time
it's
resolved,-
and
this
was
note
noted
in
the
reports-
can
be
two,
three,,
four
years,
and
in
the
meantime,
the
officer
may
have
committed
other
offenses
that
have
not
been
addressed..
So
to
hear
you
talk
about
that,,
I
would
just
really
encourage
you
as
you
work
with
the
city
attorney,,
as
you
work
with
our
minneapolis
delegation
in
changing
state
law
that
maybe
minneapolis
because
of
the
consent.
Decrees
can
be
a
pilot.
B
B
I
B
B
L
The
time
constraints
and
how
long
all
this
stuff
takes
does
not
work
for
anybody.
right..
I
think
community
looks
at
us
and
they
think
that
we
don't
take
it
seriously,
because
these
things
take
so
long..
I
think
the
police
officers
look
at
it
and
think
it's
an
illegitimate
system..
You
know,
a
fundamental.
L
B
P
P
B
B
L
Time
an
officer
could
hear
a
resident's
frustrations
and
their
own
personal
experience
about
maybe
an
officer
said
or
did
or
didn't
do.,
and
I
think
it's
possible
for
people
to
actually
hear
and
see
each
other,
might
not
happen.
The
first
time,
might
not
happen
for
a
long
time.,
but
I
do
think
that's
really
possible.,
because
I
think
there
are
more
similarities
in
those
shared
experiences,
that
shared
trauma,
than
there
are
differences.
B
B
B
G
O
B
Hi.
thank
you..
A
number
of
the
reports
that
we've
been
reading
have
talked
about
sort
of
patterns
of
behavior,,
whether
that's
patterns
of
bias
or
other
kinds
of
sort
of
structural
issues
with
policing
in
minneapolis.,
and
I
know
that
some
of
the
recommendations
are
for
things
likely
is
it
bias,
training
and
that
kind
of
thing.?
B
S
Some
of
the
same
studies
that
you
referenced.
there
was
a
lot
of
excitement,,
maybe
close
to
ten
years
ago,
when
implicit
bias
was
starting
to
become
a
thing
in
police
training
around
the
country..
It
was
a
lot
of
excitement
with
that.
and
clearly
that
alone
doesn't
change
things..
It
is
deep,.
It's.
S
S
S
T
T
Hobble
as
it's
called
here.,
I
saw
that.
and
there
was
a
recent
settlement
where
that
was
involved.
and
I
just
think
that's
inhumane.
and
we
got
rid
of
it.
and
I
think
things
like
that
are
cultural.,
because
it
was
definitely
push-back.
When
I
did
that.
people
thought
I
was
going
to
get
a
cop
hurt
or
killed,
because
they
wouldn't
have
something
else
to
do..
You
don't
need
that.,
they
don't
have
that
in
the
east
coast
and
major
cities.,
you
don't
need
it.
other
things
that
aren't
as
dramatic,
how
officers
respond
to
emergencies..
T
I
have
seen
here
multiple
times,
because
I
get
criticized
for
this,
but
I
don't
just
come
here:
9
to
5
and
stay
chained
to
a
desk..
I
tend
to
be
out
in
the
street
and
in
community,
and
I
want
to
see
how
cops
are
acting
at
scenes
and
felt
some
of
the
things
I've
noticed
since
I've
been
here
that
were
changed
because
I
do
believe
are
also
cultural
and
speak
to
that..
When
I
first
got
here,
there
was
a
murder
--.
It's.
T
The
middle
in
it,,
right?,
yeah.,
so
there's
a
murder
by
the
convenience
store
there
just
past
lyndale
in
the
winter,
at
night,
and
there's
like
a
four-lane
road,,
the
convenience
store
is
here,.
One
of
the
persons,.
The
person
who
was
killed,
ran
from
the
store
and
died
in
the
street.
and
next
to
the
street
is
a
big,
wide,
open,
field..
So
people
around
could
see
this
person's
body.
and
the
most
we
had
was
a
sheet
from
the
ambulance,
because
the
ambulance
didn't
take
him
to
the
hospital.
T
That
to
a
lot
of
folks
in
community
communicates
disrespect.
that
the
person
is
left
there,,
which
is
beyond
our
control,,
because
we're
not
the
balance..
If
ambulance
chooses
to
pronounce
someone
dead,,
they
don't
take
dead
people
to
the
hospital..
We
have
to
wait
for
the
medical,
examiner.
and
street
cops
are
well
aware
of
this,.
It
can
be
very
upsetting
to
community..
So
now,
when
I.
T
T
T
That
was
obvious
to
me.
When
I
got
here,
a
lot
of
times,
you
would
go
to
a
crime
scene,
an
incident,
and
after
the
fact,
once
things
were
over,
when
things
are
in
emergency,
we're
showing
up.
However,
we
have
to
get
there.
and
the
police
cars
are
going
to
be
left,
however,
and
it
is
what
it
is,
because
it's
potentially
a
life
and
death
issue.,
but
once
things
are
over,,
the
car's
got
to
be
moved.
B
U
U
U
Focusing
on
december
delaware
escalation,,
you
have
to
be
looking
for
the
good
results,
because
otherwise
you're
not
going
to
see
them,
you're
only
going
to
see
the
bad
thing..
So
it's
about
trying
to
make
sure
that
all
of
our
people
in
positions
of
authority
are
on
the
lookout
for
stuff
like
that
and
they're
able
to
correct
it
when
they
see
it,
but
they're
also
able
to
start
rewarding
and
encouraging
all
the
good
behaviors
that
we
want
to
see,
and
a
lot
of
that
involves
stuff.
U
U
U
U
U
Were
sending
the
wrong
message.?
What
was
happening
was
these
kids
were
coming
in,
and
I
literally
mean
kids.,
sometimes
11
years,
old.
they're,
coming
in
multiple
times
in
a
stolen
car,
with
a
gun
or
having
been
present
during
a
robbery
or
that
kind
of
thing,,
and
we
were
simply
immediately
releasing
them
back
into
the
same
environment
with
no
support
and.
U
U
O
V
People.,
but
that's
something
that
would
have
to
have
a
very
specific
strategy
around
it.
and
it's
something
that
we
would
need
a
partner
to
do
in
order
to
get
it
right,,
a
partner
that
is
experienced
with
engagement
around
young
people.,
because
that's
not
something
that
police
can
just
walk.
Into.
V
V
V
Their
child,
they
got
to
walk
hand
in
hand
with
them,
and
let's
experience
this
to
fix
this
altogether.
because,
as
community,
we're
here,
open,
hands,
arms,
trying
to
assist
a
child.
That's
not
our
own.,
but
at
the
same
time
the
parents
need
to
be
greatly
involved..
So
whatever
type
of
program
is
very,
very
necessary
to
incorporate
the
parents
in
there
in
every
aspect.
V
V
V
V
V
B
B
Stayed
here.,
I
can
definitely
come
back..
I
have
an
engagement
at
7:00
that
I'm
a
little
late
for..
I
was
supposed
to
be
out
of
here
by
7,
but
I
didn't
want
to
--.
I
will
definitely
come
back,
though.
If
I'm
invited.,
I
appreciate
that..
I
also
just
want
to
say
about
trainings,:
it's
a
managerial
right.,
so
the
city
has
a
lot
of.
W
W
W
W
W
W
W
W
W
B
B
B
G
G
To
prohibit
actions
being
taken
at
a
secret
meeting
where
it
is
impossible
for
the
interested
public
to
become
fully
informed
about
a
board's
decision
or
to
detect
improper
influences,
second,
to
ensure
that
the
public's
right
to
be
informed
and
third,
to
afford
the
public
an
opportunity
to
present
its
views
to
the
public
body..
There
isn't
a
ton
of
case
law
on
this
topic,
but
there
certainly
is
some..
I
think
the
lesson
to
be
learned
in
that
is
a
corporate
interpret,
a
law
very
liberally
and
in
favor
of
openness.
one
of
the
things
however,.
B
Purposes
or
allow
members
of
the
public
to
address
the
body..
Obviously,
as
a
body
you
do
allow
public
comment,,
it's
very
valuable..
Also
there
can
be
other
sources
that
factor
into
that
decision
or
those
decisions
for
what
other
facets
might
be
deemed
important
by
various
public
bodies..
There
could
be
the
ordinances,.
There
could
be
bylaws
that
you
adopt,
which
are
in
the
process
of
doing
now,
or
at
least
going
to
begin
that
process.,
and
there
could
also.
C
C
Advice
in
there
on
this
topic
and
also
other
topics,
they
talk,
about,
such
as
the
governmental
data
practices
act..
So
that's
another
resource
that
you
can
use.
moving
along
quickly,
because
I
want
to
keep
things:
going,,
here.,
the
groups
or
the
types
of
groups
that
are
golferred
by
the
open
meeting
law..
Essentially,
it
applies
to
all
levels
of
state
and
local
government.,
the
governing
body
of
any
city
in
particular,.
Any.
C
B
B
H
Very
aware
of
when
there
might
be
a
quorum,
that
can
come
up
in
various
different
settings..
One
of
the
things
that
gets
talked
about
a
lot
is
members
using
email
or
other
types
of
communication,
text.
Messages,
social
media,,
whatever
it
might
be
at
this
day
and
age
to
with
the
purpose
of
subverting
the
open
meeting
law,.
H
And
that
means
essentially
having
a
quorum
of
the
public
body
involved
in
some
back
and
forth
in
something
that
hasn't
been
noticed,,
isn't
open
to
the
public,,
whether
that's
on
email
or
something
else.,
there's
also
a
concept
of
a
serial
meeting
where,
if
the
intent
is
there
to
kind
of
decide
an
issue
without
having
the
public
debate,
and
there
were
serial
meetings
or
serial
emails
kind
of
like
a
phone
tree
of
the
old
days
where
there
was
never
a
quorum
on
one
of
the
communications.
But
it
was
designed
to
kind
of
get
a
quorum.
B
All
aligned
on
some
action
that
was
going
to
be
taken
at
the
next
meeting,
for
instance,.
That
could
also
be
judged
to
be
a
violation
of
the
open
meeting
law..
So
that's
kind
of
the
general
principle
there
is
that
we
need
to
avoid
having
you
be
in
a
quorum
or
trying
to
patch
together
a
quorum
when
you're,
not
in
a
public
meeting
or
when
you're,
not
discussing
things.
B
Let's
see.
that
doesn't
necessarily
apply
to
--.
There
might
be
mass
notices
that
you
get
that
have
to
do
with
purely
administrative
things,
schedules
of
meetings
and
things
along
those
lines..
What
we're
really
talking
about
here
is
kind
of
formulating
a
decision
on
a
action
that
you're
authorized
to
take..
So,
if
you're
trying
to
come
together
to
some
agreement
on
who
the
vice-chair
or
the.
B
G
Along,
here.,
it
also
doesn't
apply
to
chance
or
social
gatherings..
So
if
there
was
some
function,
and
you
did
the
counting
and
you
saw
that
there
was
more
than
a
quorum
of
you
at
any
given
event,
a
social
event
or
some
community
event,
that
wouldn't
in
and
of
itself
violate
the
open
meeting
law,
but
you're.
Definitely
you
need
to
be
aware
that
at
that
point
we
can't
be
talking.
Shop
essentially
is
what
it
comes
down.
To.,
the
city's,
very
good
--.
G
G
G
G
G
Area
that
is
kind
of
emerging,,
especially
after
the
pandemic,,
is
the
ability
to
have
remote
meetings
or
remote
participation
by
you
as
commissioners..
You
may
notice.
We've
stopped
that.,
I
think
the
first
organizational
meeting
or
two
that
was
in
place,,
but
that's
the
requirements
to
have
that
sort
of
remote
participation
are
actually
very
high..
Generally.
G
G
G
G
G
Printed
materials
prepared
for
the
public
body
must
be
distributed
or
made
available
to
all
members
of
the
public..
It's
why
I
believe,
there's
a
table
back
there
that
obtains
the
agenda.-
and
I
put
some
documents
I'm
using
here
and
any
of
the
documents
that
are
referenced
on
the
agenda
should
be
at
least
available
for
inspection
by
the
public.
G
Provisions.
and
then
the
last
topic,
maybe
is
there-
are
a
few
general
exceptions
to
the
open
meeting
law..
It
doesn't
apply
generally
to
disciplinary
type
hearings,
and
that's
obviously,
because
you
all
will
serve
on
the
panels
and
that
obviously
involves
private
data
and
the
potential
disciplinary
practices.
G
G
G
There
was
recently
one
of
the
most
recent
enactments
to
address
social
media
in
terms
of
the
public,,
the
open
meeting
law,,
and
it
states
that
the
use
of
social
media
by
members
of
the
public
body
does
not
violate
the
chapter
so
long
as
the
social
media
use
is
limited
to
exchanges
with
all
members
of
the
general
public..
I
would
let
you
know.
However,
the
city
does
have
a
social
media
policy.
So
if.
G
G
G
G
More
formal
process
to
get
a
determination,
or
at
least
an
opinion
by
the
department
of
administration
on
that
topic.,
but
generally
day-to-day
type,
questions
that
come
up,
feel
free
to
use
my
office
and
the
staff
as
a
resource
and
that's
kind
of
your
quick
and
dirty
introduction
to
the
open
meeting
law..
If
you
have
any
questions,
please
let
me
know
right
now..
I
can
try
to
answer
some
or
feel
free
to
contact
our
office.
G
G
G
G
G
G
G
G
G
G
I
think
this
is
--
first
of
all,.
I
think
this
is
great
information..
I
think
you
pulled
together
a
lot
of
things
in
the
committees
that
we're
looking
for..
I
think
it's
a
great
place
to
start..
I
can't
make
a
determination
without
further
discussion.
I'd
like
to
hear
from
my
fellow
commissioners.,
so
I
would
like
to
propose
and
make
a
motion
that
we
table
discussion
till
the
next
meeting
so
that
we
have
more
time
to
read.
It.
G
G
G
G
G
G
Thank
you..
What
right
now
we're
waiting
for
the
law
enforcement?
We
need
to
train
them.,
so
I'm
waiting
for
their
schedule
to
be
open
for
their
training,
and
once
we
get
that
done,,
we
are
ready
to
start
the
panels..
So
we're
just
waiting
for
law,
enforcement,
mpd,
to
get
on
board
with
their
training.,
and
we
should
be
ready
to
go..
I
cannot
--,
I
don't
have
an
answer,,
a
straight
answer
for
you
right
now.,
but
I'm
in
the
process
of
having
that
done.
go.
G
G
If
we
determined
that
we
want
to
have
any
of
these
three
committees
that
I'm
recommending
tonight,,
I
don't
foresee
in
the
next
month
you
really
having
anything
to
do,,
because
we've
still
got
to
get
together
and
figure
out
a
meeting
date,
a
meeting
location,
notify
the
public,,
because
these
are
open
meetings
as
well..
So
just.
G
G
15
of
us
want
to
be
on
one
committee,,
because
I
think
there's
no
need
for
15
on
a
committee,,
but
I
guess
we
would
cross
that.,
but
it's
self-selecting.
and
then
after
the
committee
has
been
self-selected,.
That
committee
would
then
nominate
among
those
a
chair.
and
then
those
who
have
decided
they
want
to
be
on
that
committee
would
elect
their
chair.
and
then
the
chair
would
start
working
with
me,
director.
G
G
G
G
To
table.
my
expectation
is,
we
would
all
discuss
this.,
I'm
not
prepared
to
vote
on
this
because
I
just
haven't
heard
enough
feedback.
and
I
was
expecting
that
discussion
before
we
would
make
a
concrete
decision..
So
I
understand
what
you're
saying,,
but
I
personally
would
prefer
not
to
take
a
vote
on
something
that
we
haven't
had
discussion.
G
G
It
would
do
us
any
harm..
It
would
do
us
a
lot
of
good
to
engage
in
that
discussion.
Next
meeting.
thank
you.,
commissioner
reeves
vice-chair
reeves.,
I'm
sorry.
thank
you..
So
what
I'll
say
is
these
descriptions
are
pretty
self
explanatory.?
I
think
the
chairs
can
make
them
more
detailed
if
they
so
choose..
G
G
I
would
like
to
ask
a
clarifying
question..
You
guys
are
proposing
these
separate
committees,
for
instance,.
Maybe
us
four
are
on
a
committee,,
those
four,,
so
breaking
us
up
into
smaller
committees.
that
is
correct.
and
then
maybe
with
this
community
one
we
would
be
able
to
reach
the
community
faster
and
then
the
whole
end
of
the
meeting
thing
would
also
be
resolved..
So
I
second
you
wanting
to
resolve
this
tonight,,
because
if
we
do
that,,
then
the
community
then
technically
wouldn't
have
to
wait
a
month
to
see
us
again.
G
If
we
voted
on
that
tonight,,
just
by
having
smaller
committees.
well,,
I
will
just
say,.
I
don't
know
that
the
committee
would
see
--
if
the
community
would
get
to
see
you
in
the
next
month
and
transparency,,
because
you'll
have
to
figure
out
some
things.
where
you're
going
to
meet,
you
know,
and
let
the
public
know..
But
the
exciting
thing
about
this
committee
is
that
you
would
be
really
thinking
about
how
we
reach
out
to
the
public.,
and
so
that
would
start
sooner.
G
Clarifying.,
I
would
expect
that,
for
example,
community
outreach
committee,.
Let's
say
I
was
the
chair
of
that
committee,-
that
that
would
be
scheduled
in
the
next
two
weeks
and
get
that
information
to
ms.
watson
and
start
getting
that
together,
start
getting
those
things
going,.
As
long
as
someone
is
willing
to
do
the
work.,
because
the
vice-chair
and
chair
could
start
the
committee,
and
they
would
vote
for
their
chair.,
it
doesn't
have
to
be
us.
but
to
get
things
started,
to
get
the
meetings
scheduled,
practicing
this
part..
So
thank
you.
G
G
G
Clerk's
capacity
is
at
this
point.
obviously,
and
I
entirely
agree
that
for
you
to
be
able
to
function
and
do
your
work
you're
going
to
need
some
sort
of
subgroup
committee
type
structure,,
but
the
last
communication
I
saw
from
you
director,.
There
seemed
to
not
necessarily
be
an
agreement
in
place
with
the
city
clerk.
G
G
Commissioner
awed.,
I
don't
want
to
be
a
stickler
for
the
procedure,,
but
technically
there
wasn't
a
second
on
that.
So
I
don't
know
why
we're
having
a
discussion.,
I
thought
there
was
a
second.
commissioner.
Olsen.
oh,
was
it?
okay.
yes..
I
was
paying
attention
that
time.
thank
you..
I
was
not.
clearly.
G
G
I
don't
know
if
there
is,,
but
I
want
to
make
a
motion
to
formalize
those
three..
I
personally
think
that
this
is
good.
So
if
I
can
get
a
second,
we
can
move
forward
with
that.
okay..
So
there
is
a
motion
to
accept
these
recommended
guidelines
and
committees..
Is
there
a
second?
second.,
and
that
was
commissioner
sturm.?
Is
there
discussion?.
G
G
G
G
G
G
G
G
G
commissioner
clement,
commissioner
vorpahl,
commissioner
newman,
commissioner
pederson,
and
commissioner
gurian-sherman.
anyone
else?,
that's
one,
two,,
three
--,
that's
five.
and
I've
suggested
five
to
seven..
That's
it?
okay..
So
these
are
our
committee.
Members
on
community
outreach.,
clement,,
vorpahl,,
newman,,
pederson,,
gurian-sherman.
and
of
those,
are
one
of
you
interested
in
being
the
chair?.
G
G
G
G
G
G
G
Emails
for
everyone.
On
the
commission.-
right
now,
they
have
to
create
passwords.,
but
the
city
clerk
is
going
to
be
in
charge
of
these
emails,,
not
opcr.
they're,
going
to
oversee
it,
they're,
going
to
have
to
probably
create
policies
for
this
as
well
to
make
sure
we're
not
violating
any
open
meeting
laws..
So
that
is
coming..
I'm
going
to
get
with
the
city
clerk's
office
this
week
to
see,
if
they're
going
to
create
any
type
of
policies.,
so
we're
not
in
any
type
of
violation
for
data
practices
or
open
meeting
laws.
thank
you.,
you're
welcome.
G
G
Okay.,
I
actually
have
one
thing.
who
said
that?
oh,
there
you
are.
clement..
I
would
like
to
know
--,
and
this
is
just
for
the
sake
of
I
think
everyone..
When
I
signed
up,.
I
did
understand
that
the
meetings
were
at
6
and
I
didn't
see
an
end
time.,
and
so
I
am
just
wondering
for
the
sake
of
everyone.
When
is
the
end
time
to
the
meeting?
G
and
it
might
fluctuate.,
but
what
I'm
trying
to
do?
--
I
had
a
mental
timeline,,
because
I'm
kind
of
scared
right
now
to
put
it
on
paper,,
not
really
knowing.,
because
I
don't
want
to
say
something's
going,
is
take
10
minutes
and
it
takes
35
minutes
and
we're
all
off
and
we've
said
something
that
doesn't
happen..
G
G
Mr.
jefferson
were
discussing
and
reviewing
it
and
you
deemed
that
a
particular
meeting
may
run
a
little
bit
longer,.
I
don't
know
about
the
committee,.
Maybe
could
we
bump
it?
You
have
half
an
hour,,
maybe
start
at
5:30
versus
6:00..
I
don't
know
how
that
works.,
but
just
throwing
that
out
there.,
I
don't
know
logistically,,
especially
with
it
being
recorded
now..
So
I
don't
know.,
that's
what
I'm
saying..
G
We're
doing
livestream
also,,
it's
also
planning
with
the
public
service
center
as
well,
what
they
have
before
us..
So
they
had
a
meeting
before
us
that
ended
right
at
5:00..
So
we
usually
have
to
set
the
room
up
accordingly
as
well..
So
it's
all
about
logistics.,
I'm
not
saying
that
we
can't.,
but
it
boils
down
to
logistics.,
but
I
think
it
will
be
helpful
if
I
can
take
stuff
out
of
my
head
and
put
it
on
paper..
G
G
G
G
G
G
G
G
G
G
G
G
Aggressiveness,
I
see
with
some
of
the
police
officers,
they
need
to
be
retrained,
they
need
to
be
professional
and
they
need
to
be
thorough..
We
deserve
that.,
that's
going
to
be
part
of
the
trust
we
rebuild
with
the
community..
If
you
know
anyone,
that's
good
and
righteous,,
we
w,
he
need
them
to
serve
mpd.
G
G
G
Person
or
that
woman
that
you
shouldn't
arrest
them
because
that
person
was
asking
for
it.
and
as
soon
as
that
police
officer
left
the
room,.
It
was
my
duty
then,
as
a
captain,
as
a
young
person,
a
minor
at
that
time
to
reeducate
all
of
these
young
people
on
the
state
law,,
which
says
that
you
shall
arrest
when
somebody
violates
a
no
contact
order
and
you
shall
arrest
when
you
get
a
report
of
domestic
violence.
and
so
from
my
experience
within
the
minneapolis
police
department.
With
that
incident
with
other
incidents,,
my
experience,.
G
G
G
G
Like
to
bring
that
to
your
attention
that
those
same
officers
are
one
of
the
ones
that
stayed
and
one
of
them
at
one
point
was
an
investigator
for
the
juvenile
sex
crimes
unit
and
another
one
I
made
a
complaint
about
was
in
the
procedural
justice
unit,.
So
these
are
your
officers
that
have
continued
to
stay
in
the
minneapolis
police
department..
G
I
just
want
to
second
again
that
public
comment
be
first
because
once
again,,
you
guys,
can
hear
this
public
comment,.
You
can
have
discussion
on
it
and
you
can
make
new
business
because
of
what
you
hear
from
public
comment,,
which
is
something
that
happened
with
me
and
my
family
when
we
came
here
in
2018.,
so
I
would
request
that
you
do
that
and
then
I
would
also
request
that
you
guys
take
the
concerns
about
training
a
little
bit
more
seriously,,
because
you
all
need
to
understand
police
use
of
force..
G
You
need
to
understand
state
laws
on
domestic
violence,
to
be
able
to
look
at
any
of
this,
to
be
able
to
understand
what
you're
doing
in
your
role
as
a
commissioner..
So
I
really
urge
you
to
take
those
concerns
seriously.
That
you
need
training
just
like
I
needed
training
as
a
young
person
in
police
explorers.,
and
I
will
bet
you
all
that
I
know
much
more
from
just
being
an
explorer
about
police
use
of
force.,
so
anyway..
G
G
Hi.,
my
name
is
nicole
castle.
and
I
don't
ever
speak.,
I
really
just
don't,,
because
--,
but
there's
a
few
things
here,
that
I
have
to
speak
about.,
I'm
the
godmother
of
my
god,
daughters,
who
went
into
policing
and
they've
been
policing.
One
was
in
for
ten
years.,
two
departments..
This
is
hard
because
this
has
been
a
fight
for
years.
G
and
I
sit-
and
I
hear
over
and
over
the
same
story
them
looking
in
the
back
at
some
of
the
same
people.,
I'm
looking
at
the
back
at
some
of
the
same
people
who
told
me
it
was
okay,
who
came
after
my
family
and
my
kids
because
they
wanted
to
be
cops.,
they're
women.
and
I'm
going
to
tell
you
something,
women
in
policing,.
G
We
sit
here
and
talk
about
domestic
violence,,
but
we
allow
our
women
female
officers
to
be
degraded,,
harassed
and
retaliated
against.,
and
I
see
the
people
lowering
their
eyes
right
now
because
they
don't
want
to
see
me..
I
have
been
fighting
this
for
years..
They
don't
want
my
kids
to
talk.
what
happened
to
them.
G
G
G
G
Men
who
did
it
and
the
woman
who
did
it
all
got
promoted.
and
my
kids
were
followed.
and
I've
been
told,
and
they've
been
told.
Our
story
isn't
true.
well,
I've
got
the
documentation..
They
took
us
out
of
the
city
to
a
separate
lawyer
who
didn't
take
notes
for
four
hours
on
each
one
of
us..
You
have
no.
G
G
But
you
will
sit
here
and
you
will
hear
over
and
over
and
over
again,,
and
I
can
see
the
situation
going
on,
because
I've
been
through
it.
and
I
am
looking
right
back
at
the
conversations
going
on
behind
me,
and
I've
been
there.,
I've
been
there,
and
I've
been
here
and
I've
been
here..
This
is
why
I
don't
speak,,
because
I
get
too
mad
because
I
have
ptsd.,
I
watched
my
sister
die
in
front
of
me..
I
know
exactly
what
it's
like..
I
know
most
people
who
are
police
officers
end
up
dying
from
ptsd..
G
G
G
I
was
a
police
explorer
at
a
cso
at
mpd
for
six
years
and
ten
years
total
in
a
different
department.,
I'm
certified
and
getting
my
bachelor's
degree
at
the.
U
of
m..
In
my
opinion,
you
don't
live
in
a
reality
if
you
are
talking
calmly
and
giving
grace
to
police
officers
here
in
the
city
after
what
you
guys
have
found
in
these
reports.,
I'm
speaking
to
you,
men,
women.,.
G
You
have
cfos,
who
are
now
police
officers
who
have
stolen
money
from
our
city
because
they
weren't
working,
but
they
put
it
on
their
timecard,
and
the
state
csos
at
the
time,
but
now
they're
police
officers.-
I
don't
know
if
they
got
disciplined.,
I
don't
know.,
but
you
still
got
them
here
in
the
city.
and
then
you
guys
are
living
in
my
opinion,
in
a
fantasy.
If
you
think
that
our
culture
and
mpd
has
changed
because
of
the
new
chief.,
it's
not
your
individual
officers,,
it's
your
culture,
who
is
the
problem.
G
and
how
you
are
changing.
The
culture
needs
to
be
addressed
and
I'll
give
you
an
example.
at
15.
My
sister
went
on
a
ride
along
with
two
officers
during
the
public
crawl
weekend,
while
responding
to
a
sexual
assault.
Call
the
female
officer
told
my
sister
that
most
rape
victims
are
making
it
up
and
none
of
the
reports
go
anywhere..
My
sister
had
to
sit
in
the
back
of
the
squad
car
with
this
woman
who
was
crying,.
G
Know
that
in
2017
an
ex-wife
of
mpd
spoke
out
about
her
domestic
experience
about
the
officer,,
her
husband,,
who
was
trying
to
kill
her,,
who
was
convicted
once
and
who
was
arrested,
twice,
after
trying
to
strangle
her,,
which
is
a
felony..
But
he
was
still
in
the
department..
And
did
you
know
that
there
have.
G
G
G
thank
you..
Have
you
ever
filed
a
complaint
against
an
officer
or
have
you
ever
had
a
domestic
violence
incident
yourself?,
because
I
have
had
both
of
those,,
which
is
why,
ma'am,,
I'm
almost
done,,
which
is
why
I
wanted
to
become
a
police
officer..
This
is
the
most
frustrating
thing..
I
demand
you
start
listening
to
the
public..
G
G
And
nicole's
and
maddie's
stirring
comments,,
this
is
going
to
seem
quite
bureaucratic,
but
there's
no
way
to
communicate
with
you,
and
some
of
these
are
timely
issues.
So
I'm
going
to
raise
these
bureaucratic
issues
and
I
apologize
to
the
three
previous
speakers.
If
this
is
going
to
be
somewhat
staid,.
G
G
G
Implementation
down
the
road,,
maybe
you
want
to
communicate
to
the
implementation
committee
within
the
minneapolis
police
department,.
Maybe
you
want
to
communicate
to
the
monitor
as
a
collective
group,?
Maybe
you
want
to
communicate
to
the
city
attorney's
office.,
so
I
think
there
should
be
an
ad
hoc
committee
to
help
determine
or
make
suggestions
what
the
relationship
of
the
entire
commission
should
be
regarding
the
consent
decree
and
the
settlement
agreement,,
which
we
already
have
the
provisions
for..
G
G
G
Three
case
summaries:
they
have
gotten
that
talked
about
domestic
violence..
Now
you
no
longer
will
be
getting
those
case
summaries..
You
will
only
hear
the
cases
that
go
to
a
full
hearing,.
But
if
you
look
at
the
ordinance,
I
encourage
you
to
look
at
the
ordinance
section
172.30c,.
The
second
sentence,.
G
G
G
G
Tonight,,
the
ones
that
we
passed
at
the
last
meeting.
I'm
giving
you
notice
that
I
intend
to
make
an
amendment
to
these
norms
that
instead
of
saying
respect,
opinion
of
other
commissioners,,
it
says,
respect
opinion
of
other
commissioners,
guests,
speakers
and
those
in
public
comment..
We
should
never
have
somebody
crying
after
they
deliver
a
public
comment..
They
should
not
feel
that
they
were
disrespected
here.
and
chief
o'hara
brought.
G
G
G
G
G
Can
you
hear
me?,
I
just
want
to
say
absolutely
want
to
respect
all
the
speakers,
but
I
also
want
that
reciprocated..
I
think
the
point
of
public
comment
is
we
take
what
you're
saying
and
do
something
with
it.
So
we
have
to
be
able
to
write
things
down,.
We
have
to
be
able
to
process
how
we
process.
and
one
thing
as
african-american
woman,
it's
hard
when
people
try
to
police
our
face..
So
I
would
ask
that
people
not
do
that
out
of
respect,.
G
I
don't
want
to
do
it
to
any
person
in
the
public
and
I
don't
want
it
done
to
me
because
it's
oftentimes
done
to
me..
So,
just
being
mindful
of
we
wanted
to
hear
what
you're
saying,,
I
want
to
be
able
to
write
notes
without
someone
thinking,
I'm
not
paying
attention
because
I
like
to
write
things
down..
So
please
don't
take
people
writing
things
down
as
not
listening
to
you,
because
sometimes
we
process
that
way.
G
So
I
want
to
make
sure
we
put
that
comment
out
there
and
I
respect
everyone
and
I
would
hope
all
the
commissioners
did
as
well,,
but
we
process
information
because
you
want
us
to
do
something
with
what
you're
saying.
can,
I
just
say:
I'm
really
sorry.
I
was
in
the
heat
of
the
moment..
I
know
you
guys
are
paying
attention..
I
do
have
a
past
history
with
this..
I
have
been
going
to
the
opcr
for
years
before
you
guys.
[off
mic].
G
G
Either.,
nobody
was
disrespecting,.
Nobody
was
snickering.
and
at
the
end
of
the
day,,
we're
all
here
with
one
common
goal,
and
that
needs
to
be
the
focus..
People
are
emotional,
and
it's
--,
like
you
said,,
it's
reciprocated,,
both
ways.
to
please
don't
down
talk
us
either
at
this
position
in
this
role.
and
in
the
same
respect,.
I
don't
want
other
commissioners
to
down
talk
us
as
well.