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A
B
To
the
regular
meeting
of
the
Public
Works
infrastructure
committee
for
June,
June,
8th,
that's
right,
2023,
I'm,
Andrew,
Johnson
I'm,
the
chair
of
the
committee
and
I,
was
excited
to
see
that
our
committee
today
was
gaveled
in
by
a
future
Public
Works
Department
leader
William.
So
thank
you
William
and
Minneapolis
resident.
Thank
you.
Well,.
B
Let
the
record
reflect
that
we
have
a
quorum
for
our
committee.
With
that
we'll
move
on
to
our
consent
agenda.
There
are
seven
items
on
the
consent
agenda
which
I
will
read
for
the
record.
The
first
is
authorizing
the
submittal
of
a
Grant
application
for
the
usdot
for
the
2023
Safe
Streets
for
all
program.
The
second
is
approving
the
concept
layout
for
the
green
Central,
safe
routes
to
school
project.
The
third
and
fourth
items
are
approving
appointments
to
the
bicycle
and
pedestrian
advisory
committees.
B
The
fifth
item
is
accepting
an
additional
grant
for
the
Metropolitan
Council
to
fund
cured
in
place
pipelining
and
repairs
of
existing
sewers.
The
sixth
item
is
setting
a
public
hearing
for
July
27th,
so
consider
assessments
for
snow
and
ice
removal
from
public
sidewalks
that
remain
unpaid
item
number.
Seven
is
approved.
B
Second,
not
seeing
any
all
those
in
favor
of
our
consent
agenda,
please
signify
by
saying
aye
aye,
those
opposed,
say,
nay,
and
that
motion
carries
now.
We
will
move
on
to
our
discussion
item
number
Eight's,
Municipal,
Municipal,
sidewalk,
plowing
analysis
and
update.
Our
discussion
item
today
is
receiving
and
filing
a
report
on
a
high-level
analysis
of
a
potential
city-led
sidewalk
snow
and
ice
removal
program,
director,
Anderson
Kelleher,
who
will
be
presenting
on.
D
This
item-
thank
you
Mr,
chair
and
committee
members.
Today
the
presentation
will
be
handled
by
two
folks.
Who've
worked
very
closely
leading
this
team
Joe
palman
who's,
the
director
of
Transportation
maintenance
and
repair
and
Cadence
Novak,
pedestrian
and
bicycle
coordinator,
Transportation,
Planning
and
programming
and
Mr
chair.
If
I
may
I'd
like
to
say
a
couple
things
as
we
begin,
please.
D
So
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
folks
are
going
to
be
interested
in
is
why
are
these
numbers
so
different
than
the
previous
study
that
was
done
and
context
setting?
That
study
was
studying
only
Municipal
sidewalk
shoveling
when
there
was
a
snow
emergency,
so
this
study,
based
on
the
legislative
directive,
is
to
our
ordinance,
which
is
what
we
expect
residents
to
do
today.
What
we
expect
businesses
do
today
and
that
is
to
Bear
pavement
after
any
sort
of
snow
event.
B
Thank
you
director
and
welcome
Mr
Paulman
and
Miss
Novak
to
discuss
this
item
and
present
and
for
colleagues.
I
will
note
if
we
have
consent
on
this.
I
would
like
that
we
hold
questions
until
the
end
of
the
presentation,
so
I
can
get
through
the
material
and
then
also
want
to
recognize
that
Public
Works
I
think
this
was
actually
due
in
another
cycle
from
now.
Is
that
right,
director
so.
D
Mr,
chair
and
committee
members-
yes,
it
was
due
in
the
next
cycle
and
we
worked
hard.
We
pushed
hard
pushed
everyone
to
get
this
done
a
little
bit
earlier
for
everyone
here
to
be
able
to
hear,
read
and
then
any
follow-up
that
we
might
have
out
of
it.
B
Thank
you,
director,
I'll,
just
personally,
say,
I
appreciate
that
we're
seeing
it
a
little
earlier
as
we're
all
in
discussions
as
well
around
what
our
budget
priorities
are
with
the
administration.
It's
particularly
helpful
to
have
it
early
and
appreciate
the
team
working
ahead
of
schedule
on
this
one.
So
thank
you
all
right,
Mr
problem.
The
floor
is
yours.
E
All
right,
thank
you
director,
good
afternoon,
chair
Johnson
and
committee
members.
My
name
is
Joe
palmen,
and
we
are
here
today
to
present
the
final
report
on
the
legislative
directive
on
city-led
sidewalks
known
ice
removal
as
a
quick
overview.
Our
presentation
will
consist
of
some
context
setting
including
review
of
the
legislative
directive
and
assessment
of
current
programs
and
what
sidewalks
snow
and
ice
removal
looks
like
in
Minneapolis
today
and
a
high
level
analysis
of
city-led
site
of
what
a
city
set.
City-Led
sidewalk
clearing
program
would
look
like,
including
the
fiscal
elements
of
that
program.
E
In
February
of
this
year,
the
Minneapolis
City
council's
Public
Works
and
infrastructure
committee
requested
a
nonpartisan,
multi-disciplinary
review
of
The
Following,
a
high
level
analysis
of
potential
city-led
sidewalks
known
ice
removal
programs
that
could
be
fully
implemented
by
the
winter
of
2027.,
a
fiscal
analysis
of
implementing
a
phased
in
city-led,
sidewalk,
plowing
and
snow
removal
program.
That
would
begin
in
2024,
with
The
Pedestrian
priority
Network
expanding
to
our
entire
city,
Network
by
2027.
E
draft
proposals
of
a
potential
snow
and
ice
removal
of
potential
snow
and
ice
removal
programs,
and
efforts
to
primarily
Target
aging
communities
and
properties.
With
a
documented
pattern
of
non-compliance
with
Minneapolis
code
of
ordinances,
titles,
title
17,
chapter
445,
a
high
level
evaluation
of
a
potential
web-based
interactive
tool
that
could
track
winter
maintenance
activities,
an
assessment
of
the
current
snow
and
ice
removal
programs,
including
special
service
districts,
colleges
and
universities,
neighborhood
associations
and
contractual
programs
that
are
utilized
or
partnered
with
any
departments
within
the
within
the
Enterprise.
E
E
596
miles
of
our
sidewalk
system
are
located
within
the
pedestrian
priority
Network
in
Minneapolis
we
average
52
inches
of
snow
each
winter
from
about
23,
snow
events
involving
accumulation
with
an
average
of
50
events
involving
a
trace
or
precipitation,
trace
of
precipitation
or
greater.
In
addition,
blowing
snow
and
freestyle
Cycles
provide
for
the
possibility
of
slippery
sidewalk
conditions
throughout
the
winter.
E
Currently,
in
Minneapolis
sidewalks,
snow
and
ice
control
is
a
combined
effort
between
residential
and
Commercial
and
Industrial
properties.
The
city
Enterprise,
including
Public,
Works,
special
service
districts,
Community
planning
and
economic
development
agency
partners
such
as
Minneapolis,
Park
and
Recreation
board,
Metro
Transit
college
and
universities,
neighborhood
programs
and
all
other
properties.
E
Under
Minneapolis,
code
of
ordinance
is
title
17
chapter
445
property
owners
are
responsible
for
clearing
snow
and
ice
from
the
sidewalks
that
are
adjacent
to
the
properties
they
own
single-family
homes
and
duplexes
are
given
24
hours
after
a
snowfall
has
ended
to
clear
snow
and
ice
full
width
to
Bear
pavement,
while
other
properties
have
four
hours
after
the
snowfall
has
ended.
The
map
on
the
screen
shows
the
different
property
types
in
Minneapolis,
with
the
commercial
and
Industrial
properties
being
in
blue,
the
orange
properties,
our
multi-family
residential
and
that
chartreuse
color
being
our
single-family
Residential
Properties.
E
Foreign
analysis
of
a
potential
city-led
program,
our
assumptions
and
calculations
were
based
on
meeting
our
current
bear
pavement
ordinance
and
providing
a
level
of
service
at
least
equal
to,
but
ideally
better
than
what
we
what
we
see
each
winter
for
conditions
on
our
sidewalks.
We
realize
that
we
don't
have
100
compliance
right
now.
E
This
graph
shows
the
total
snowfall
each
winter,
along
with
the
number
of
complaints
received,
cases
created,
sidewalk
cleanups
authorized
and
the
actual
number
of
cleanups
that
were
completed
each
winter.
We
receive
a
pretty
high
number
of
complaints
that
ultimately
result
in
a
lower
number
of
contractor
cleanups.
E
Again,
sidewalk
clearing
to
the
city
ordinance
needs
to
be
full
with
bear
pavement
with
treatment
of
icy
areas.
In
trying
to
find
photos
for
this
report,
we
found
that
we
do
a
very
good
job
of
taking
photos
of
non-compliance,
but
sometimes
we
don't
stop
and
appreciate
sidewalks
that
are
well
done,
so
the
one
in
the
upper
left
could
even
be
a
little
bit
better.
E
A
quick
distinction
between
snow
clearing
and
snow
removal.
Snow
clearing
involves
pushing
or
blowing
snow
to
the
boulevard
where
it
is
stored,
while,
while
snow
removal
involves
loading
and
trucking
snow
to
a
large
snow
storage
area
in
a
different
location,
our
sidewalk
network
does
have
a
number
of
areas
where
there
is
no
Boulevard
to
store
snow,
particularly
in
The
Pedestrian
priority
Network,
which
would
require
snow
to
be
removed
from
those
areas
throughout
the
winter.
E
These
photos
show
city,
sidewalks,
no
removal
efforts
and
a
couple
of
Twin
Cities
suburbs.
In
both
cases,
the
removal
is
being
performed
by
a
snow.
Blower
snowblower
attachments
are
very
good
at
clearing
large
amounts
of
snow,
but
do
not
get
to
Bear
payment
due
to
the
the
metal
shoes
that
are
on
the
bottom
of
the
blower
that
elevate
the
the
snow
blower
slightly
off
of
the
pavement.
The
sidewalks
in
this
picture
would
not
comply
with
our
current
city
ordinance.
E
E
E
It's
estimated
to
cost
9.7
million
dollars
in
capital
costs,
plus
operating
costs
of
17.5
million
dollars
for
an
estimated
year.
One
cost
of
27.2
million
dollars
year
two
would
add
an
additional
657
miles
with
a
capital
cost
of
11.4
million
dollars
and
an
operating
cost,
which
would
include
the
PPN
plus
the
additional
667
miles
of
29.5
million
dollars
year.
Three
would
add
the
final
657
miles
of
sidewalk
in
the
system
at
a
capital
cost
of
8.4
million
dollars,
plus
39.4
million
dollars
in
operating
cost.
E
The
operating
cost
for
our
entire
system
for
a
total
of
47.8
million
dollars.
E
Here
again
are
the
yearly
Capital
costs,
which
include
the
McLean
tier
4,
snow
blowers,
Bobcat
skid
loaders,
with
broom
attachments,
trucks
and
trailers,
as
roughly
80
percent
of
our
Fleet
would
need
to
be
hauled
to
a
specific
location
in
the
city
to
begin
the
snow,
clearing
process,
support
equipment,
anti-icing
equipment
and
equipment
for
our
mechanics
as
well.
E
This
shows
a
cost
estimate
to
create
a
public-facing
plowing
status
map
that
could
include
streets
and
sidewalks,
currently
Minneapolis
Park
and
Recreation
board,
as
well
as
some
other
Metro
cities
offer
a
map
of
this
type
costs,
including
setup
telematics.
Web
application,
development
and
maintenance
are
shown
here
for
the
street
system.
There
would
be
an
estimated
255
thousand
dollars
in
one-time
costs
with
forty
five
thousand
dollars
in
ongoing
costs.
E
E
Both
Maps
together
would
have
a
total
estimated
cost
of
476
thousand
dollars
in
one-time
costs,
with
88
000
in
ongoing
costs
with
that,
I
will
pass
it
over
to
Kim's
Novak.
For
the
next
part
of
the
report.
G
Thank
you,
Joe.
Thank
you,
chair
and
council
members
in
this
section.
I'll
share
more
about
the
assumptions
underpinning
the
stage
phasing
of
a
three-year
scenario,
as
well
as
the
benefits,
challenges
and
additional
considerations
regarding
a
potential
city-led,
Municipal
sidewalk,
clearing
program.
G
Phasing
in
a
potential
city-led
clearing
operation
for
the
entire
1910
mile
sidewalk
Network
would
begin
with
the
596
mile
pedestrian
priority
Network,
which
represents
where
people
frequently
walk.
The
remaining
1
310
miles
of
sidewalk
would
be
phased
in
over
year
two
and
year,
three
and
roughly
equal
amounts
of
657
miles.
Each
year
we
use
the
2023
racial
Equity
framework
for
transportations,
Transportation
Equity
priority
areas,
also
known
as
tap
areas
to
guide
the
high
level
phasing
in
of
community
areas.
G
In
year
two
and
year,
three
tep
scores
reflect
policy
priorities
and
Community
input
regarding
how
Transportation
projects
should
be
prioritized
across
a
city
with
the
score
representing
the
highest
priority
out
of
five
possible
tiers
in
year,
two,
the
Camden
Central
Longfellow
near
North,
Northeast,
Phillips,
Powderhorn
and
university
community
areas
would
be
faced
in
as
these
eight
Community
areas
most
closely
align
with
census,
tracts
that
have
a
transportation
Equity
priority
score
of
one
through
four
in
year.
Three,
the
Calhoun,
Isles,
Nokomis
and
Southwest
Community
areas
would
be
phased
in.
G
G
G
There
would
be
a
replacement
of
the
corner,
clearing
operation
that
we
currently
perform
with
the
municipal
snow
clearing
operation,
and
we
would
anticipate
a
substantial
reduction
in
three
one.
One
calls
related
to
snow
and
ice
sidewalk
complaints,
although
such
a
program
is
not
without
many
challenges.
G
There
might
be
potential
damages
to
personal
property,
such
as
retaining
walls,
Turf
other
ornamental
or
vegetative
plants
from
City
equipment,
and
there
are
Staffing
and
labor
shortages
anticipated
based
on
current
conditions,
additional
considerations
that
we
don't
have
all
of
the
answers
to,
but
we're
considered
as
part
of
compiling
this
report
are
that
there
will
be
increased
negative
environmental
impacts
of
these
operations
by
adding
diesel-powered
snow
removal
equipment.
So
those
are
the
snow
blowers
and
the
broom
brush
attachment
machines.
G
There
would
also
be
increased
salt
sand
and
alternative
de-icing
materials
city-wide,
and
there
would
also
be
increased
noise
pollution,
especially
in
order
to
clear
within
24
hours
of
the
end
of
a
snowfall
having
equipment
outside
people's
homes
around
the
clock
at
night.
G
There
are
potential
Levy
impacts
as
well.
The
currently
planned
2024
city
property
tax
levy
right
now
is
at
472
million
dollars,
which
represents
a
6.2
increase
over
last
year's
Levy.
A
new
city-led
sidewalk
clearing
program
in
2024
would
add
roughly
the
same
amount
of
money
increase
as
all
other
planned
cost
increases.
G
In
this
section,
I
will
share
five
pilot
concepts
with
a
deeper
dive
into
the
available
311
data,
to
better
understand
what
models
and
what
types
of
targeted
programs
may
be
effective
for
properties.
With
a
documented
pattern
of
non-compliance.
It
is
key
to
understand
the
skill,
frequency,
location
and
distribution
of
reported
cases,
confirmed
violations
authorized,
contractor
cleanups
and
proactive
sidewalk
inspections
both
within
a
season
and
year
over
year.
G
Beginning
with
a
potential
senior
snow
clearing
assistance
program,
this
would
be
a
partnership
between
the
city
and
Community
associations
based
on
local
models
and
high-level
findings
from
other
cities
as
seniors
aged
65
years
and
over
live
throughout
the
city.
A
targeted
program
for
seniors
would
work
best
when
LED
and
coordinated
by
neighborhood
organizations.
G
The
department
of
neighborhood
and
community
relations
could
partner
with
these
neighborhood
organizations
to
hire
workers
within
those
neighborhoods
and
coordinate
service
at
the
Grassroots
level.
We
do
know
from
our
data
that
some
of
the
highest
concentration
of
senior
residents
are
in
the
St
Anthony
West
Nicola,
Island,
Elliott,
Park
and
Seward
neighborhoods.
G
Digging
into
patterns
of
non-compliance,
this
slide
will
go
through
each
of
seven
years
of
Hotspot
data
for
complaints
and
compare
that
to
property
types
in
the
City
of
Minneapolis.
So,
while
sidewalk
snow
and
ice
complaints
impact
every
area
within
the
city,
when
we
look
at
how
states
of
complaints
year
after
year,
so
I'm
clicking
through
the
2016
through
2017
winter
and
subsequent
Winters,
the
red
and
orange
areas
represent
higher
concentrations
of
complaints.
G
Overall,
when
we
dig
into
the
311
data
further,
we
find
that,
while
rental
properties
only
constitute
18
of
all
Parcels
in
the
city,
nearly
one-third
of
all
snow
and
ice
sidewalk
complaints
are
attributed
to
these
rental
properties.
Looking
at
just
multi-family
housing,
which
includes
Town,
Homes,
condos
and
apartments,
only
41
percent
of
it
is
renter
occupied.
Yet
these
properties
constitute
75
percent
of
all
complaints
tied
to
multi-family
housing.
G
It
should
also
be
noted
that
all
of
these
non-compliant
properties
only
represent
6.3
percent
of
all
properties
in
the
City
of
Minneapolis,
with
80
percent
of
non-compliant
properties
being
cleared
ultimately
by
the
property
owner.
The
tiny
sliver
here
at
the
bottom
right
of
the
screen,
1
600
contractor
cleanups,
represents
about
one
percent
of
all
properties
in
the
City
of
Minneapolis,
when
we
also
look
at
repeat
offenders
by
property
address
year
after
year,
starting
on
the
left.
G
These
are
properties
that
had
a
complaint
for
one
year
and
as
you
move
to
the
right
cases
for
two
years,
three
years,
four
years,
five
years,
six
years
and
seven
years,
so
paying
attention
to
the
properties
that
had
at
least
one
complaint.
In
four
out
of
the
last
seven
years,
we
have
998
approximately
one
thousand
Parcels
in
the
City
of
Minneapolis
that
had
violations
four
out
of
the
seven
years,
and
these
represent
18
of
all
complaints.
G
G
So
going
through
all
this
data
allows
us
to
understand
what
kinds
of
programs
we
might
be
able
to.
Think
of
that
would
address
these
problems
where
they're
happening
and
why
they're
happening
so
one
potential
program
is
the
snow
Ambassador
pilot
program.
This
is
not
a
new
pilot
program.
That's
been
shared
with
you
all,
and
this
was
something
that
was
shared
last
fall
and
was
shared
at
the
time
of
the
2018
study
as
a
potential
idea.
G
So
two
public
work
staff
would
continuously
monitor
20
miles
of
The
Pedestrian
priority
Network
and
they
would
go
ahead
and
proactively,
clear
sidewalks
that
are
in
violation
the
first
time
that
a
sidewalk
is
cleared
at
a
property.
It
would
be
free,
the
second
time
or
any
subsequent
times
would
be
for
a
fee.
This
would
also
allow
our
staff
to
do
direct
Outreach
with
property
owners
and
we're
the
resident
to
understand
why
these
violations
are
happening.
G
Another
model
is
the
mobile
team
model
pilot.
So
this
idea
is
that
different,
geographies
to
be
determined
could
be
allocated
a
annual
funding
pool
amount
with
an
authorized
contractor,
and
so
when
residents
or
Property
Owners
indicate
that
they
need
help
or
assistance
clearing
their
sidewalk.
Maybe
it's
one-off.
Maybe
it's
for
That
season.
They
would
be
able
to
contact
someone
to
arrange
service
for
them.
G
This
would
really
potentially
make
a
huge
difference
paired
with
another
pilot
program,
that's
presented
in
the
subsequent
side
and
additional
study
is
still
required,
but
a
potential
snow
case
worker
pilot
program
specifically
for
residents.
So
we
have
data
telling
us
where
and
how
often
complaints
are
happening.
We
don't
have
the
qualitative
data
to
understand
why
these
are
happening.
Is
it
that
someone?
Maybe
they
have
a
broken
leg
this
year?
Maybe
they
just
welcomed
a
new
member
of
their
family.
Maybe
there's
an
illness,
maybe
they're
a
snowbird.
G
We
also
know
from
previous
data
and
slides
presented
that
rental
properties
have
a
disproportionate,
disproportionate
share
of
snow
and
ice
sidewalk
violations,
and
it
is
not
fair
to
Residents
and
the
neighbors
of
rental
families,
rental,
single
and
multi-family
housing
properties
when
the
sidewalk
is
uncleared,
because
a
property
manager
has
not
done
that
job
satisfactorily.
Additional
study
would
be
required.
Of
course,
another
potential
program
is
authorizing.
Contractor
cleaning
policy
and
program
changes
right
now.
G
Maybe
that
would
alleviate
some
of
the
financial
burden
for
a
single-family
housing
compared
to
larger
industrial
Lots,
potentially
looking
at
the
market
value
of
the
property,
potentially
tying
it
to
how
many
feet
of
linear
sidewalk
are
being
cleared
by
the
contractor
and
then
also
having
tiers
for
repeat
cleanups,
meaning
that
substitute
subsequent
cleanups
would
be
more
costly
than
the
first
one
to
prevent
people
from
relying
on
this
as
a
service.
The
map
on
the
right
shows
all
of
those
problematic,
998,
repeat
properties.
G
So
upcoming
work
after
the
LD
of
course,
so
there
is
an
ongoing
update
to
The
Pedestrian
and
Bicycle
Winter
maintenance
study
update,
since
it
is
focused
on
active
transportation,
and
we
will
be
looking
at
additional
strategies
that
were
identified
in
the
transportation
action
plan
to
include
in
the
study
update.
It
will
also
evaluate
additionally
newly
identified
alternative
winter
pedestrian
and
bicycling
maintenance
options
and
update
the
cost,
estimates
and
assumptions
that
is
expected
later
this
year
and
with
that
we'll
open
it
to
questions.
B
Thank
you
for
the
presentation
of
snow
back
from
Missouri
palmen,
really
appreciate
that
I
will
see
if
any
of
our
committee
members
have
questions,
and
maybe
just
so
I'm
guessing
we're
going
to
have
a
number
of
questions
for
staff.
Maybe
we'll
get
do
the
questions
first
and
then,
if
folks
want
comments,
efforts
if
possible,
that
would
be
ideal.
So
questions
for
our
staff.
I
see
council,
member
Payne.
B
C
More
of
a
comment
than
the
question
I
just
wanted
to
thank
you
for
the
thoroughness
of
this
and
I.
Think
specifically,
the
optionality
that's
presented
here,
because
I
think
one
of
the
challenges
about
this
conversation
has
been
is
either
we
do
nothing
or
it's
going
to
cost
us.
40
million
dollars
and
I
just
really
appreciate
that
you've
broken
this
down
into
so
many
different
elements
of
what
the
challenge
is.
So
not
not
really
a
question
so
apologize
for
that.
B
No
worries
council
member
pain,
that's
I
think
that
was
entirely
appropriate.
Thank
you.
Councilmember.
H
Thank
you,
chair,
Johnson
I
want
to
Echo
what
councilmember
Payne
just
said
really
really
appreciate
the
thoroughness
of
what
you
presented
here
today
and
also
the
the
report
that
is
included
in
the
limbs
file
for
those
who
are
interested
in
that
yeah.
I
think
this
is.
This
is
really
excellent
and
thorough
work
and
gives
us
a
lot
to
consider
and
and
I
know.
There's
a
there
is
a
massive
price
difference
between
what
we
studied
back
in
2018.
H
What
you
studied
back
in
2018
I
was
around
for
that
and
and
what's
in
front
of
us
today,
and
that
we
are
we're
just
looking
at
different
things,
we're
trying
to
to
provide
the
best
possible
service
we
can
when
we're
when
we're
looking
at
this
work
right
now,
so
I've
got
a
handful
of
questions
for
you,
but
wanted
to
first
start
by
thanking
you.
H
H
There
we
are
okay,
so
in
the
in
the
report,
I
see
us
pretty
frequently
referenced
this
the
the
50
snow
events
per
year
and
that's
what
that's
the
number
where
we're
working
from
when
we
calculate
then
costs
both
Capital
operating
ongoing,
but
I
see
an
average
number
of
snow
events
at
23..
F
E
Chair
Johnson
and
council
member
chug
Tai,
the
23
events
are
are
events
that
have
an
inch
or
more
of
accumulation
and
the
trace
events
are
any
any
accumulation
on
the
sidewalk
and
we
wanted
to
include
the
trace
events,
because
we
know
that
that
does
does
have
our
property
owners
out
clearing
their
sidewalk.
And
would
would
you
know,
maybe
not
in
every
case,
but
in
most
cases
have
us
have
to
mobilize
in
some
form
as
well
to
to
comply
with
the
ordinance.
H
Got
it
got
it?
No,
that's
very
helpful.
Thank
you,
okay
and
then,
if
we
skip
ahead
to
around
the
time
we
were
talking
about
snow
clearing,
snow
removal,
there
were
like
photos
of
that
right
there.
So
when
you
were
presenting
on
this,
there
was
a
you
know.
I
can't
remember
if
it
was
a
comment
that
you
made
just
around.
You
know:
The
Pedestrian
priority
network,
not
having
Boulevard
space
for
us
to
to
store
snow.
E
Chair
Johnson
and
council
member
Chuck
Tai,
we
think
some
of
it
is
being
removed
right
now.
Some
of
it
probably
does
stay
there
on
the
network,
but
it
is
also
causing
some
of
the
sidewalks
in
those
locations
to
currently
not
be
compliant
with
the
ordinance.
So
it
is
a
very
high
number.
E
We
also
you
know,
do
not
have
the
ability
to
play
Snow
on
private
property
or
maybe,
if
someone
cleared
their
own
sidewalk,
they
would
also
I
think
you
know
the
majority
of
that
being
in
the
in
the
pedestrian
priority.
Network,
some
ssds
or
or
the
did
Might
potentially
be
involved
in
hauling
some
of
the
snow
away
currently
as
well.
D
Want
to
emphasize
one
point
as
a
as
a
long
time:
homeowner
there's
no
doubt
that
that
snow
from
the
sidewalk
is
going
on
to
private
property,
because
when
I
blow
my
snow
I
blow
it
into
my
yard
or
I
shovel
it
into
my
yard
not
out
into
the
street
or
even
on
the
boulevard.
Usually
so
I
think
the
point
that
Mr
powman
made
is
where's
the
snow
going
today.
It
goes
into
the
private
property
because
the
private
property
owner
is
allowed
to
do
that,
whereas
the
city
is
not
allowed
to
do
that.
Currently,.
H
Yep,
no
I
I
understand
the
point
you're
making
I
guess
the
discrepancy
I
see
with
that
is
like
that's
certainly
true
in
certain
parts
of
the
city
where,
where
we
have
yards
the
parts
of
the
city
where
the
greatest
amount
of
violations
are
right
now
you
know
where
I
live.
Where
I
represent
the
densest
parts
of
the
city,
we
don't
have
front
yards
that
we
store
our
snow
on.
We
actually
snow
store
most
of
our
snow
on
the
Boulevard
in
between
the
street
and
the
sidewalk.
H
That's
public
property
right
and
a
lot
of
snow
is
stored
over
there
and
will
continue
to
be
and
and
so
and
I
understand.
That's
not
the
case
everywhere
and
that's
a
very
broad
generalization
to
make
in
the
same
way
that
it's
a
very
broad
generalization
to
make
to
say
that
the
vast
majority
of
snow
that
gets
removed
from
sidewalks
goes
on
to
private
property.
We
don't
really
know
that.
H
H
Some
is
going
on
a
public
boulevard,
sun
gets
removed,
I
think
you
would
know
more,
but
okay
kind
of
staying
on
this
point
in
the
report
I
think
it's
around
page
3839
under
the
snow
removal
and
Disposal
section
page
38.,
you're,
there's
there's
a
like
a
an
ongoing
cost
for
snow
removal
and
disposal
of
snow
cleared
from
public
sidewalks
estimated
at
9.8
million
dollars
per
year.
H
I
want
to
just
specifically
talk
about
the
disposal
of
snow
and
the
cost
associated
with
that.
How
of
this
9.8?
How
much
are
you
associating
with
the
disposal
of
snow?
E
Chair
Johnson
and
council
member
chugtai,
the
the
cost
that
we
calculated
to
Hall
snow
are
based
on
current
contracts
that
we
have
for
hauling
snow
and
and
they
were
hauled
to
a
location.
You
know
within
the
city
that
we
were
able
to
use,
as
you
know,
for
snow
storage.
E
Does
that
answer
your
question?
Yeah.
H
E
Chair
Johnson
and
council
member
Chuck
Tai
that
this
this
would
be
in
addition
to
some
of
the
snow
hauling
that
we
do
right
now
associated
with
Street
clearing
these
costs
were
calculated.
You
know
using
an
assumption
that
in
The
Pedestrian
priority
Network,
for
example,
much
of
the
snow
would
need
to
be
hauled
out
if,
in
reality,
you
know
we
were
performing
this
program
and
we
noticed
that
we
had
more
snow,
snow
storage
than
what
we
thought
we
would.
This
cost
would
then
be
less.
H
Understood
got
it
got
it
got
it.
Okay!
Thank
you.
That's
this
is
very
helpful.
Okay,
so
can
we
talk
a
little
bit
about
operating
costs,
snacks
to
and
the
the
the
the
capital
required
the
to
remove
the
infrastructure
costs
so
I
understand
we
talked
a
little
bit
about
like
electric
options
and
I'm,
not
sure
if
they're
not
available
for
purchase
at
like
at
a
bulk
rate
that
would
be
associated
in
in
a
use
like
this,
but
I
know.
H
Our
office
did
just
like
some
a
little
bit
of
research
and
found
like
a
couple
of
different
electric
options
for
for
this
equipment
and
we're
just
thinking
about,
like
the
reduction
in
diesel
costs,
the
reduction
in
some
maintenance
costs
associated
so
I
know.
You
touched
a
little
bit
on
why
those
electric
options
present
a
different
or
unique
set
of
challenges.
I'm
just
wondering
if
you
can
speak
to
that
a
little
bit
more
yeah.
F
E
And
council
member
Chuck
Tai
in
our
research,
we
did
reach
out
to
several
vendors
asking
about
the
availability
of
electric
equipment,
which
we
are
very
interested
in.
E
The
feedback
that
we
got
is
is
that
we're
the
industry
is
just
not
there
yet
in
in
you
know
what
that
would
have
the
equipment
capable
of
doing
you
know
what
we
need
done.
You
know
I
think
we
did
outline
the
challenges
and
charging
and
things
like
that
as
well.
You
know,
currently
diesel
powered
equipment,
you
know
under
that
operation
we
would
have
a
fuel
truck
that
would
go
around.
You
know
on
a
route,
basically
refueling.
E
You
know
the
snow
removal
equipment
where,
with
the
electric
equipment,
we
would
need
to
try
to
figure
out
some
charging
stations
and
then
the
associated
time.
You
know
with
the
charging
as
well
got.
H
B
H
Thank
you
just
the
the
last
couple
of
sections,
hoping
we
can
talk
about
benefits,
challenges
and
additional
considerations,
starting
with
Benefits,
I
I
think
this
is
a
really
excellent
set
of
benefits
that
we've
started
with
here
and
I,
a
thing
that
I
noticed
missing,
perhaps
or
just
we
all
look
at
things
from
different
perspectives.
H
These
seem
these
are
all
benefits
that
that
are
very
internal
to
the
city
right
internal
to
how
we
think
about
it
for
at
an
Enterprise
level
and
a
couple
of
things
that
I
just
noticed
were
missing
here
was
you
know
like
a
reduction
in
injuries
and
Falls
in
the
winter
months,
and
the
impact
that
has
on
residents
and
Associated
health
care
costs
in
the
winter
months,
when
we
see
a
higher
level
of
hospitalizations
longer
wait
times
in
emergency
rooms
and
Urgent
Cares,
a
reduction
in
Falls
and
hospital
visits
associated
with
that
and
health
care
costs
associated
with.
H
That
feels
like
a
pretty
big
public
benefit
to
to
to
me
to
the
average
resident,
and
if
it
is
something
that
I
I'm
hoping
we
are
considering,
when
we
look
at
the
bigger
picture
of
why
people
would
even
want
such
a
thing,
I
don't
know
if
there
were
other
more
public-facing
benefits
that
were
considered.
As
you
were
doing,
your
your
research
or,
as
you
were,
putting
this
report
together.
Sorry.
E
Johnson
and
council
member
Chuck
Tai,
we
tried
to
consider
every
benefit
that
we
could
think
of
and
I.
Think
generally
we,
you
know,
we
just
started
with
the
sidewalks,
we'll
be
clear.
You
know,
which
would
absolutely
result
in
less
Falls,
less
injuries
and
a
whole
bunch
of
other
things
like
that,
but
that's
great
feedback
and
and
I'm
sure
there
are
other
benefits
that
we
aren't.
Thinking
of
you
know
with
a
high
level
analysis
for
sure,
for.
H
Sure
yeah
and
you
know
I,
think
another
piece
that
I
was
thinking
about.
Is
you
know
just
the
the
amount
of
people
who
earn?
You
know
less
than
thirty
five
thousand
dollars
per
year,
people
who
don't
have
a
car
which
includes
one
in
three
black
residents
in
this
in
the
city
who
rely
on
public
transportation
to
get
from
place
to
place,
whether
it's
work
or
or
any
other
activity
in
their
life?
H
H
D
Chair
and
council
member
chugti
I
think
those
two
items
are
actually
wrapped
into
point
bullet
point.
One
and
bullet
point:
two
doesn't
explicitly
talk
about
slips
and
Falls,
but
a
consistent
predictability
and
reliability
of
the
sidewalk
system
for
all
users
means
all
users
and
the
tap
goals.
Absolutely
support
mode
shift.
H
Yep
and
then
on
challenges,
if
we
move
to
the
next
slide,
these
are
the
this.
Is
this
feels
like
a
a
really
good
and
thoughtful
list
of
challenges.
H
A
question
I
had
is:
these
are
all
challenges
that
right
now
we
are
experiencing
with
clearing
streets
and
and
like
that
streets
aren't
being
cleared
as
quickly
or
we
have
Staffing
and
labor
shortages
or
damages
to
personal
property
from
City
equipment.
Those
are
all
things
that
happen
right
now
with
Street
plowing,
so
the
question
I
have
is
like:
how
have
we
addressed
that
with
the
years
and
years
of
experience
we
have
with
Street
clearing.
E
Chair
Johnson
and
council
member
Chuck,
Tai
yeah,
we
do
deal
with
property
damage,
claims
and
things,
and
things
like
that.
We
see
those
with
with
the
street
plowing
one
difference
with
with
Street
plowing.
Is
you
know
in
a
snow
emergency?
We
have
three
days
to
complete
it.
We
don't
have
a
bear
pavement
standard
for
our
residential
streets.
You
know
which,
under
ordinance,
we
would
have
with
this
and
so
you're
correct
that
you
know.
A
lot
of
the
challenges
are
the
same.
E
Just
the
the
logistics
of
Performing
each
program
are
a
little
bit
different.
In
terms
of
you
know,
level
of
service
and
timing,
and,
and
things
like
that,.
H
Yeah
I,
perhaps
not
right
now,
but
would
love
to
hear
a
little
bit
more
about
how
some
of
these
challenges
are
are
addressed
in
our
street
plowing
right
now,
because
I
would
imagine,
there's
a
lot
of
important
lessons
to
be
learned
about
like
clearing
not
happening
as
quickly
or
the
freestyle,
Cycles
and
the
impact
on
on
roads
and
how
we
could
apply
that
to
to
our
sidewalks,
just
since
there's
so
much
so
much
institutional
knowledge
that
we
have
there
and
then
you
know
finally
under
additional
considerations
with
the
increased
salt.
H
That's
the
next
slide.
Increased
salt
sand
and
alternative
de-icing
materials.
City-Wide
I
would
like
right
now
there
are
people
that
residents
use
these
de-icing
materials
Citywide
on
their
own
there's
a
there's,
a
disproportionate
way
in
which
people
use
it.
H
Some
people
over
salt,
some
people,
undersalt
I,
think
at
our
last
meeting
we
had
a
presentation
on
appropriate
levels
of
use
and
what
and
how
much
we
know
within
within
our
our
city,
Enterprise
about
what
an
appropriate
level
of
usage
is
I'm
interested
in
why
there
would
be
an
increase
in
those
materials
being
used
instead
of
a
healthy
level
being
used
across
the
board.
When.
E
Johnson
and
council
member
Chuck
Tai,
all
of
our
our
Public
Work
service
workers,
do
go
through
smart
salt
training
and
so
a
program
run
by
City
personnel.
We
would
essentially
have
Professionals
in
the
use
of
salt
and
sand
doing
it
so
increased
might
not
be
the
right
word.
It
will
be
more
consistent
and
so
I
think
I
think
the
word
increase
is
there
because
we
know
in
in
we
don't
have
100
compliance
right
now
and
then
perhaps
we
use
the
word
increase.
E
E
I
Thank
you,
chair,
Johnson
I
just
want
to
start
on
the
phase
approach,
because
we've
referenced
kind
of
The
Guiding
Focus
around
this
report
is
being
in
compliance
with
the
ordinance
and
actually
on
page
and
I'm,
going
to
reference
a
lot
in
the
report,
but
on
page
32
you
know
it
states
directly.
You
know
that
only
one
scenario
that
guides
kind
of
the
analysis
of
this
report
based
off
of
compliance
with
our
city
ordinance.
I
You
know
that
that's
basically
have
shaped
kind
of
the
the
analysis
of
this
report,
so
in
thinking
of
that,
is
it
fair
to
to
say
that
the
current
ordinance
is
somewhat
a
barrier
right
now
to
the
flexibility
needed
to
provide
a
multitude
of
options
in
doing
a
city-led
program?
I
know
in
the
legislative
director,
for
instance,
0.3
a
we
requested
council
member,
Chuck,
Tai
and
I.
You
know
to
include
draft
proposals
and
stages
stages
for
free.
You
know
frequencies
and
of
a
city
lab
program,
and
what
I
saw
from
this
section
was
saying.
I
E
Chair
Johnson
and
council
member
wansley,
yes,
we
we
did
use
the
the
ordinance
heavily
as
our
our
Baseline
as
to
where
to
start.
We
do
recognize,
though,
that
our
our
numbers
are
scalable
and,
and
so
I
think
it
would
be.
You
know,
I
think
we
could.
We
could
come
up
with
cost
estimates
for
for
a
number
of
different
scenarios.
E
We
know
that
even
changing
one
variable
say
making
one
pass
instead
of
two
changes
the
number
significantly
and
so,
as
a
follow-up
I
think
we
would
be
able
to
cast
out
basically
any
number
of
different
scenarios
regarding
snow
clearing.
I
Yeah
I
would
ask
if
the
chairs,
because
I
was
requesting
the
LD
to
have
those
those
proposals
to
also
look
at
simultaneously
with
what
was
presented
today.
That's
based
off
of
that
50
Trace
events
I
think
it
would
be
good
because
I
think
all
of
us
as
I
think
council
member
paying
rates.
We
wanted
to
see
the
wide
variety
of
options.
I
That's
present
to
do
this
great
work
and
from
what
I
saw
immediately
on
that
section
in
the
report
it
says
that
our
ordinance
is
a
barrier
and
also
I
would
love
to
get
thoughts
too.
On
you
know
what
are
some
of
the
additional
barriers
or
opportunities
in
the
current
ordinance
language
that
supports.
You
know
the
providing
of
different
variable
scenarios
that
we
would
like
to
see
in
this
type
of
work.
B
Member
was,
can
you
remind
me
in
the
direction?
Did
it
specify
what
the
actual
scenarios
were
that
you
were
interested
in
the
numbers
on
so.
A
I
Can
read
what's
in
the
legislative
directive,
so
three
a
sets
include
draft
proposals
for
stages
and
frequency
of
City
lab
removal
during
and
after
snowfalls,
with
breakdowns
of
costs
for
these
potential
stages
and
frequency.
So
I
remember
in
meeting
with
staff.
I
know
you
were
part
of
some
of
those
meetings.
We
did
talk
about
again
having
those
expanded
options,
but
we
didn't
see
that
and
I
figure
it's
because
of
what
was
stated
here
on
page
32,
where
it
says
we
just
want
to
use
the
ordinance
as
a
baseline.
I
B
Council,
member
wanza
I
think
what
would
be
helpful
would
be
if
there
were
specific
scenarios
that
you
and
in
Partnership
councilmember
I,
think
you
were
a
co-author
on
this
correct
I.
Think
if
you
have
specific
scenarios
you
would
like
to
see
that
would
be
ideal,
because
then
staff
would
have
clear
Direction
around
that.
It
sounds
like
from
Mr
paulman's
comments,
there's
really
an
infinite
number
of
scenarios
or
potentials,
and
so
I
think
some
of
those
things
would
be
probably
helpful
for
them.
You
know,
I
could
think
of
some
off.
B
My
head,
for
instance,
would
be
like
if
there's
a
snow
emergency
declared.
Maybe
that
would
be
a
value.
A
program
like
this
would
be
a
value
because
it
would
help
residents
with
high
accumulations
of
snow,
but
otherwise
they
would
be
responsible
for
their
own
sidewalks,
or
maybe
we
don't
want
down
to
the
bear
pavement,
and
so
we
can
eliminate
the
second
pass.
I
I
What's
stated
in
this
report,
too
staff
did
it
says
right
here,
while
multiple
scenarios
were
initially
explored,
so
it
did
I
think
we
trust
staff
to
be
able
to
lay
out
those
different
variables
that
you
know
you
just
mentioned,
and
it
seems
like
there
was
an
effort
to
do
that,
but
was
not
presented
because
of
the
ordinance,
so
I
think
we're
just
asking
what
were
some
of
those
initial?
You
know
scenarios
that
staff
seem
to
already
explore
that
they
felt
they
couldn't
bring
forward
today
because
of
the
ordinance
but
I'll.
H
Thank
you,
chair,
Johnson,
I,
remember
in
in
our
conversations
with
with
director
Anderson
Kelleher
in
the
lead
up
to
bringing
this
legislative
director
forward.
There
was
actually
some
very
a
pretty
clear
ask
that
was
made
from
the
the
director,
as
we
were,
going
back
and
forth
on
this,
to
not
be
overly
prescriptive
about
what
those
scenarios
could
be,
but
we
did
talk
about
well,
let's
consider
the
the
threshold
being
snow
emergencies
or
one
inch
of
snow,
or
you
know
like
something
in
between
or
every
snow
event.
H
D
So,
thank
you.
Mr,
chair
and
council
members.
I
I,
don't
want
to
say
the
ordinance
is
a
barrier,
but
the
ordinance
is
our
Baseline
I.
Think
that's
the
fair
way
to
say
this,
and
that
is
the
law
in
the
city
right
now
and
so
to
give
residents
the
expectation
of
what
does
it
take
to
do
a
city-led
effort
that
meets
the
ordinance.
We
have
to
go
to
Bear
pavement,
and
that
was
the
decision
that
was
made
to
scope
the
costs
on
the
full
implementation
program.
D
I
think
that
you
know
I
I
just
have
to
point
out
that
if
we
don't
go
there
and
if
we
did
what
you
know,
the
previous
study
did,
which
was
only
snow
emergencies,
you're
leaving
residents
again
responsible
for
most
of
the
snow
events.
And
would
there
be
confusion?
Would
there
be
more
lack
of
compliance?
We
don't
know
right,
but
you
could
surmise
that
actually
not
going
to
the
bare
pavement
ordinance,
which
is
the
same,
probably
the
safest,
ordinance
in
terms
of
walking.
D
Then
we
don't
we're
not
really
we're
not
delivering
on
the
promise
we're
making
as
the
city
and
what
we
wanted
to
provide
for.
All
of
you
is
the
very
best
estimate
of
what
it
means
to
do:
a
full
city-led,
Municipal,
sidewalk,
clearing
operation
that
meets
our
residents.
Expectations
of
bear
pavement.
A
I
Thank
you,
yes,
I
could
just
reset.
My
original
question
was
again
around.
If
there
was
potential
recommendations
in
the
ordinance
language
which
staff
can
do,
we
know,
staff
recommends
changes
or
things
that
allows
us
to
have
those
scenarios.
I
was
just
interested
in
seeing
because
this
is
listed
in
the
report
that
there
were
other
scenarios
that
were
explored.
That
might
have
different
estimates
and
would
have
liked
to
see
that
information
for
consideration
today,
because
I
did
see
that
as
fitting
into
that
3A
section
that
I
just
read
on
the
legislative
director.
I
So
it
was
really
affirming
to
hear
if
we
can
get
that
information.
I,
think
that's
what
we
would
like
to
hear
and
if
we
want
to
marinate
as
policy
makers
on
what
changes
in
the
ordinance
can
be
made
to
reflect
that
that's
within
our
Authority,
but
just
again
expanding
all
options
and
wanting
to
be
able
to
see
that
information.
I
So
that
was
the
Baseline
of
my
question
that
the
kind
of
meander
further
and
seeing
if
there
would
be
receptive
because
it's
one
thing
I
just
getting
out
of
the
practice
of
you-
know
I'll,
follow
up
with
you
directly
and
you
send
the
information
to
me.
This
is
a
legislative
directive
that
this
body
paid
pass
and
making
sure
that
information
is
publicly
available.
Someone's,
like
you
know,
if
they
do
have
those
additional
figures
can
that
come
back
to
the
committee,
so
the
public
can
also
be
able
to
see
that.
B
You
councilmember
wansley
and
if,
if
I
may
ask
you
for
a
point
of
clarification,
I
think
this
would
be
helpful
as
we're
marinating
on
this,
and
you
know
as
staff.
Just
so
they
can
understand,
is
the
idea
of
a
trying
to
essentially
lower
the
expectations
in
the
existing
ordinance
today.
So
we
can
reduce
the
price
of
what
a
city-wide
program
would
look
like,
or
would
it
be
like
increasing
expectations
so
that
there's
even
better
like,
for
instance,
doing
Carriage
walks
and
offering
people
you
know
potentially
their
sidewalks?
B
Is
there
some
direction
around
that
is
it?
Is
it?
Is
there
any
kind
of
more
information
you
could
provide
around
what
the
recommendation
is
because
right
now
it's
to
the
bear
pavement
within
24
hours,
full
width
I
think.
Would
it
be
extending
the
amount
of
time
or
those
sort
of
things
to
clear
the
sidewalks.
I
Yeah
I
think
if
the
staff
wants
to
share
again
the
multiple
scenarios
I'm
interested
in
what
literally
staff
wrote
here
on
page
32
of
like
what
well,
what
were
those
initial
scenarios
that
were
explored.
So
if
that
work
was
already
done,
if
we
could
just
share
that,
that's
I'm
just
restating
that
from.
A
D
Was
a
very
early
decision
made
that,
following
the
ordinance
was
going
to
be
since
it's
the
law
of
the
city?
It's
the
obligation
that
we
have
to
follow
the
ordinance
there
are
no
other
calculations
done
right
now
on
you
know
one
inch
or
an
updated
snow
emergency
only
plan.
Now
those
could
happen
if
you,
if
you
all
wanted
those
I'm
sure
we
could
go
back
and
do
further
work
on
them,
but
there's
no
like
separate
set
of
calculations
sitting
somewhere
in
terms
of
this
team's
work.
I
So
it
did
not
think
that
would
take
10
minutes
by
itself,
but
if
there's
a
way
to
a
get
a
sense
of
what
that
was,
that
would
be
great
other
Segway
question
I
had
was
around
labor
because
you
go
pretty
in-depth
into
the
Workforce
Development
piece,
so
I
know
outside
of
sidewalk
or
potential
sidewalk
plowing
and
snow
removal.
I
Public
works
this
year
began.
You
know
focusing
on
sustainable
landscaping
and
I
know.
Actually,
council,
president
and
I
passed
a
budget
amendment
around
that
last
year
to
support
that
work
and
really
advance
that
green
jobs
piece.
That's
going
to
be
so
crucial
to
the
development
of
our
green
economy
and
I
know.
During
that
time
there
was
lots
of
conversations
had
you
know
around
whether
that
work
would
happen
in-house
or
contracted
because
of
the
seasonal
nature
of
that
work,
which
is
clearly
also
outlined
here
too.
I
So,
just
while
completing
this
legislative
directive
were
there
any
considerations
around
what
it
would
look
like
to
have
a
cross-trained
workers
to
fulfill
these
type
of
services,
so
again
those
sustainable
landscapers.
So
it's
not
just
you
know.
In
the
summer
they
can
be
on
ramped
into
winter
work.
So
I
just
went
to
see.
I
You
know
if
that
was
considered
in
addressing
the
workforce.
Continuity
piece
that
you'd
go
into
on
page
23.,
Mr.
F
E
Chair
Johnson
and
council
member
wansley,
yes,
we
did
ask
ourselves,
you
know
with
our
full-time
staff.
What
would
they
do
in
the
summertime
and
sustainable?
You
know?
Maintaining
green
infrastructure
was
one
of
the
things
that
we
talked
about
again
with
labor
there's
so
many
variables
we
did
choose
a
lot
of
the
labor
to
be
temporary.
We
don't
know
for
sure
what
the
labor
market
would
be
two
or
three
years
from
now,
and
so
you
know
it
might
actually
be
more
full-time
employees.
E
I
And
then
my
next
questions
relate
to
frequency.
That's
addressed
on
page
33
in
the
report,
but
also
page
15
and
thinking
of
right
now
is
States,
Public
Works
randomly
and
I'm
going.
Okay,
yeah!
Let
me
let
me
correct.
I
I
Is
this
the
sample
area
that
staff
use
for
the
95
compliance
stat?
That
I've
heard
a
couple
of
times
we
referenced
throughout
this
presentation.
D
Chair
there's
a
lot
of
there's
a
lot
of
collaborative
work
in
this
one.
Yes,
council,
member
wansley,
that
is
the
group
and
we
did
I
think
in
the
study
session.
There
was
some
question
and
we
did
involve
OPI
in
re-analyzing,
whether
we
had
a
valid
sample
and
whether
the
process
we're
using
because
remember
at
one
point
we
said
well,
maybe
we
should
throw
that
out
and
and
not
use
it
anymore
and
OPI
actually
said
back
you
Public
Works
has
a
very
good
way
of
doing
that
random
sample.
So
that
is
the
random
sample.
D
I
D
Mr
chair
it
it
moves,
it
is
a
series
and
maybe
Mr
jelly
would
like
to
get
up
and
talk
about
it.
He
is
the
author
of
doing
that,
and
so
he
has
a
lot
of
knowledge
about
it.
Yeah.
B
And
and
then
Mr
Charlie
not
steal.
Your
thunder
I
do
know
that
random
sampling
as
well
is
like
the
gold
standard
for
figuring
that
out
and
you're
not
going
to
hit
every
block
necessarily
Mr
jelly.
J
Good
afternoon
committee,
chair
Johnson,
the
committee
members
brought
jelly
deputy
director
of
Public
Works.
Yes,
we
actually
split
the
city
into
four
quadrants
and
then
we
have
grid
numbers
within
each
quadrant
and
we
randomly
select
numbers
at
the
beginning
of
the
season
and
then,
as
we
go
through
the
season,
each
one
of
those
quadrants
has
a
set
number
of
quadrants
inspected
by
our
proactive
inspectors.
I
I
Okay,
so
random
sampling
throughout
these
quadrants
is
being
leveraged
as
a
city-wide
figure
from
what
I'm
hearing
the
reason
why
I
raised
that
is
I,
think
council,
member
checks
High
also
shared
this
a
little
bit
in
the
comments
of
we
often
hear
and
I
think
during
that
time,
as
you
mentioned,
you
know
there
was
lots
of
report
of
okay,
we're
doing
good
there's
only
five
percent
of
you
know,
folks,
who
are
not
doing
their
due
diligence,
the
95
good
job,
but
then
we
get
hit
up
and
said:
that's
not
reflective
of
my
street.
I
That's
not
reflective
of
my
sidewalk,
so
we're
interested
to
know
if
that
was
still
the
Baseline
of
of
looking
at
how
we're
doing
demographic
analysis
in
this
report
of
that
that
95
figure
and
it
seems
like
it-
is
so
I'm
glad
that
you
broke
that
down
and
then,
in
terms
of
next
questions
around
the
cost
on
page
37,
now
page
37,
it's
basically
states
that
the
fiscal
analysis
of
a
city-led
option
would
include
Capital
costs
for
each
phase.
I
I
Okay,
thank
you
and
next
question
in
terms
of
I
know,
you
have
some
of
the
photos
of
like
the
suburbs
and
their
kind
of
comparative
sidewalks.
I
didn't
want
to
know,
did
staff
do
any
comparative
analysis
with
other.
You
know,
cities
in
the
U.S
and
even
getting
a
sense
of
the
cost
like
Bloomington,
for
instance,
which
I
believe
they
service
250
miles
of
sidewalks.
I
So
just
wanted
to
see.
I
know
there
was
some
comparative
costs
that
was
provided
in
the
targeted
section,
like
you
list
Portland,
for
instance,
and
Rhode
Island,
but
that
was
around
how
they're
doing
targeted
programs
for
seniors
but
wanted
to
see.
If
you
did
something
similar
for
like
City
lab
programs.
F
E
Johnson
and
council
member
wansley,
yes,
we
did
talk
to
the
city
of
Bloomington
and
they
were
able
to
help
us.
You
know
get
an
idea
of
how
many
miles
could
be
done
in
a
day
with
the
kind
of
equipment
that
we're
talking
about.
We
also
reached
out
to
the
city
of
Milwaukee
Wisconsin
and
asked
the
same
kinds
of
questions
perfect.
I
And
then
also
just
a
loopback
question
to
something
that
council
member
checked
I
raised
around
what
we're
doing
with
existing
snow
on
that's
around
the
boulevards
right
now,
so
I
I
somewhat
caught
a
piece
of
that
right
now.
The
cost
is
estimated
for
9.8
million
again,
who
currently
is
in
charge
of
removing
the
snow
for
those
parts
of
the
city.
Now.
E
Johnson
and
council
member
wansley
I
think
it's
probably
multiple
parties.
It
could
be
part
of
an
SSD
or
the
downtown
improvement
district
or
it
could
be
a
private
property.
You
know
a
different
private
property
owner
that
that
removes
some
of
the
snow
as
well
as,
as
maybe
the
city
in
some
cases,
so.
I
F
I
Okay,
and
then
this
goes
to
my
last
question-
something
that
council
member
chucked
I
raised
and
what
was
noted
in
the
study
of
knowing
that
renters
have
been
predominantly
impacted
or
rental
properties
and
knowing
that
those
rental
properties
also
extend
to
single-family
homes,
that's
being
leased,
instrumental
properties,
I
I
know.
I
This
is
also
a
major
case
in
Como,
which
was
also
noted
in
the
report,
and
so
and
so
my
office
actually
met
with
Rec
services
to
learn
more
about
how
we
could
hold
landlords
accountable
for
unsafe
conditions
on
their
properties
and
wanted
to
see
if
there's
a
way
to
tie
snow
and
ice.
You
know
violations
to
properties
rental
licenses
because
again,
knowing
this
is
a
major
event
in
Como.
I
What
we
were
learned
or
what
we
were
basically
informed.
Is
that
that's
not
something
that
Rec
Services
plans
to
pursue
at
the
time,
but
just
wanted
to
see
if
Public
Works
that
you
all
consider
in
light
of
you,
know
the
findings
here,
any
alternative
ways
to
strengthen
fee
and
violations
for
repeat
Property
Owners,
especially
those
that
hold
several
rental
licenses.
I
Yeah.
There.
G
You
chair
and
council
member-
that
is
something
that
is
mentioned
in
a
draft
proposal
and
conversations
and
brainstorming
about
what
those
could
look
like.
Not
cleaning
or
clearing
the
sidewalks,
either
public
or
private,
is
essentially
negligent
management.
K
G
How
do
you
tie
that
to
a
rental
license?
We
know
that
they're
tiering
tier
one
is
great.
You
don't
get
as
many
inspections
here
to
you
tier
three,
not
great
you
get
more
inspections,
so
there
could
potentially
be
additional
conversations
around
that,
especially
since
we
know
that
multi-family
property
managers
are
over
represented
in
these
complaints
and
within
a
season
in
year
over
year
and
in
our
densest
areas,
where
there
is
more
pedestrian
priority.
Network
sidewalks.
I
Most
repeatedly,
and
as
you
mentioned,
it
is
part
of
negligence,
so
we
want
to,
you,
know,
be
part
of
supporting
all
of
our
streets
to
be
safe
and
if
it
means
looking
at
reevaluating
rental
licenses
as
a
tool
to
help
reinforce
that
really
excited
to
hear
that
as
a
another
potential
action
item
to
move
forward
but
yeah.
Those
were
all
of
the
questions
that
I
had.
Thank
you
so
much.
Thank.
C
Thank
you,
chair
Johnson,
building
off
of
my
previous
comment
around
my
appreciation
of
the
various
menu
of
options.
I'll
put
my
cards
on
the
table,
I
think,
regardless
of
what
we
do,
I
would
love
to
see
us
implement
the
online
tool.
C
C
C
If
we
didn't
go
all
the
way
in
and
all
the
way
through
with
the
snow
clearing,
would
we
be
able
to
integrate
311
complaints
and
have
that
be
an
augmentation
to
the
real-time
snow,
plowing
or
I'm
just
curious
about
like
to
what
degree
can
we
implement
the
data
dashboard,
that's
a
public-facing
resource
and
what
the
data
sources
might
be,
depending
on
how
far
we
go
in
terms
of
building
out
the
infrastructure
for
actual
snow
clearing.
Well,.
B
C
And
so
the
the
cost
estimate,
if
you
go
to
the
slide
for
implementation
costs,
we
have
streets
in
adding
sidewalks,
and
so
it
seems
pretty
clear
to
me
that
we
would
be
able
to
do
the
streets
leveraging
the
GPS
data
of
our
snow
plows,
but
then
so
I'm
saying
yes.
Let's
actually
do
that,
like
that
I
feel
like
let's,
let's
do
that,
but
my
follow-on
question
is:
to
what
extent
could
we
include
sidewalk
information,
and
would
it
exclusively
be
3-1-1
if
we
don't
actually
Implement?
C
B
And
councilmember
Payne,
and
so
this
one
may
fall
slightly
to
the
city
attorneys.
I
know
there
was
a
conversation
around
3-1-1
is
while
in
complaints
with
the
clerk's
office
earlier
this
year,
in
which
our
reports
now
are
redacted
over
complaints
on
personal
property.
I
know
there
are
some
legal
concerns
around
that,
and
so
they
removed
the
exact
address.
B
So
we
can
know
what
block
a
complaint
is
on,
but
not
necessarily
what
property
and
so
for
maybe
additional
expanding
on
your
question,
though,
because
I
think
you
mentioned
other
pieces
too
Beyond
three
on
complaints,
as
well
as
3-1-1
complaints,
all
looks
like
Mr.
Jelly
might
have
some
thoughts
on
that.
J
Chair
Johnson,
councilmember
Payne,
you
are
correct
in
that
we
have
the
tools
to
do
streets
to
do
the
similar
thing
with
sidewalks.
We
have
two
big
gaps.
One
is
center
line
data
on
sidewalks,
so
we
need
to
get
that
which
we
are
interested
in
getting,
but
then
two.
J
If
we
we
would
be
using
the
equipment
that
would
be
on
the
sidewalks
to
track
our
progress.
And
so,
if
we
didn't
do
that,
we
wouldn't
be
able
to
do
kind
of
a
similar
progress
report
and
then
it
would
be
a
matter
of
what
other
type
of
data
I
guess
the
city
has
that
we
could
would
could
integrate.
C
Clarifying
question,
but
we
do
we
today
if
we
passed
a
budget
that
included
the
Investments
laid
out
here,
we
could
do
this
for
streets.
We
have
the
data
sources
for
that,
or
would
we
also
need
capital
budget
for
GPS
trackers
for
our
fleet
vehicles.
J
Chair
Johnson,
councilmember
Payne,
we
do
have
the
infrastructure
to
do
that.
One
one
thing
I
want
to
clarify,
because
this
was
a
conversation
in
2002
and
three
around
this.
There
was
interest
in
being
able
to
have
a
map
that
shows
people
the
streets
fully
plowed.
Therefore,
you
can
park.
That
is
not
what
this
is
just
to
be
clear
about
that,
based
on
kind
of
best,
what
we're
seeing
in
the
industry
and
being
able
to
communicate
that
you
know.
L
I
thought,
like
calls,
would
go
up
as
someone
who
gets
lots
of
complaints
after
snow
emergencies
for
most
of
the
time.
It's
the
job
wasn't
done
well
enough.
You
know,
I
would
think
that
calls
would
go
up
for
sidewalk
plowing
I
mean
I,
know
I'm
very
particular
about
how
I,
like
my
sidewalk,
plowed
and
so
is
my
husband
and
when
the
neighbor
kid
comes
over,
he's
like
standing
outside
over
him.
So
I'm
expecting
like
calls
to
go
up
after
this,
but
you
all
really
think
that
it's
going
to
go
down.
D
Councilman
Vita:
this
is
if
there
was
a
hot
topic
of
debate
in
the
last
week
as
we
went
through
this,
this
was
the
Hot
Topic
of
debate.
Do
the
3-1-1
calls
go
down
or
do
they
go
up
and
we
could
we?
We
did
a
good
debate
in
the
room
about
what
we
thought.
D
We
don't
know
right,
I
mean
that's
the
truth.
The
truth
is
we
don't
know
if
we
implemented
this,
you
know.
Does
it
mean
that
because
it
could,
it
might
not
be
just
like
condition,
but
it
might
be
where's
the
person
doing
my
sidewalk
right
and
you
might
get
a
lot
more
of
those
right
off
the
bat
and
so
we're
not
so
sure.
D
D
They
just
woke
up
my
sleeping,
you
know,
mother,
twin
baby,
whatever
I
mean
I
could
see
all
those
scenarios
happening.
So
we
don't
know
okay.
L
Let's
say
we
don't
know,
and
we
don't
agree,
because
I
think
that
it's
going
to
go
up
because
of
some
of
those
reasons,
the
time
of
day
is
done,
who's
doing
it.
You
know
if
someone
comes
the
week
before
and
they're
better
you're
going
to
get
complaints
about.
Well,
the
guy
that
was
here
or
the
woman
that
was
here
last
week
was
much
better
than
this
person.
You
know
since
and
I'm
just
thinking
about
as
a
person
who
has
so
much
going
on
in
my
ward,
like
I,
don't
want
this
added
to
it.
L
I
get
enough
complaints
about
the
alley.
I
get
enough
complaints
about
the
streets
and
like
where
parking
is.
You
know,
I
get
enough
complaints
about
fire
trucks
getting
through
in
ambulances
that
this
just
feels
like
it
could
add
on
way
more
than
our
city
can
handle
right
now.
My
second
question
is:
do
you
all
use
pet
friendly
salt
sand
mixture
for
the
streets
and
the
sidewalks.
L
I
use
some
really
cool
stuff
because
I
don't
want
my
dog
to
ingest,
you
know
the
city
stuff,
so
that
would
be
and
it's
way
more
expensive
than
regular
stuff.
So
there's
an
added
amount
to
getting
the
stuff
that
I
like
and
I
would
like
you
all
to
use
that
at
my
house,
if
you
were
gonna,
come
and
plow
my
sidewalk.
Thank
you.
Those
are
my
questions.
Thank.
B
You
and
I
have
a
couple
questions
as
well
and
then
I
see
councilman
murkowski,
our
vice
chair
Koski
does
too
so
first
off
again.
Thank
you.
So
much
for
the
presentation
really
really
helpful,
really
appreciate
it
very
well
done
on
the
6.3
approach,
five
percent
approach,
whatever
we
want
to
call
it.
You
came
up
with
some
pilot
suggestions,
which
I
think
is
really
helpful,
but
clearly
it's
not
a
estimated
scenario
like
city-wide.
B
Do
you
have
any
ballpark
idea
on
what
the
full
cost
of
doing
like
a
6.3
percent
or
five
percent
approach,
where
we're
making
sure
we're
inspecting
every
sidewalk
across
the
city
regularly
after
snowfall
events,
then
we
have
essentially
Crews
that
can
go
two
violators
and
do
the
both
the
snow
case,
workers
and
the
clearing.
Do
we
have
any
idea
of
what
that
would
be?
Ballpark
I
mean
I'm
assuming
or
guessing.
It
would
be
an
order
of
magnitude
less
than
this
program,
but
I
don't
know.
E
Chair
Johnson
and
members
of
the
council
regarding
the
equipment
that
would
need
to
be
purchased
for
a
scaled
down,
mileage
I
think
it's
it
percentage-wise
scales
down
to
whatever
you
know,
amount
of
the
city.
You
want
to
do
from
the
prices
that
we're
seeing
right
here
that
doesn't
factor
in
the
inspection
personnel
and
the
the
cost
of
keeping
track
of
the
data
and
and
and
all
the
things
like
that.
So.
B
It
sounds
like
thank
you.
It
sounds
like
that
would
probably
be
for
the
actual
clearing
6.8
percent
of
this
cost,
but
then
you'd
have
additional
costs
on
the
city-wide
inspection
and
some
of
the
data
work
and
all
that
correct.
Okay,
thank
you
and
then
how
many
pieces
of
equipment
are
we
talking
about?
It
seems
like
there's
a
lot:
I
mean
there's
trucks,
there's
trailers,
there's
the
the
brushes
there's
the
plows,
because
there's
a
storage
component
to
this
too
and
I
guess
where
I'm
going
with
this
is
how
much
storage
is
required.
B
There
was
a
proposal
to
build
a
parking
ramp
just
to
store
equipment,
I
mean
are
we
talking
and
obviously
that's
now
changed
because
of
the
agreement
worked
out
with
the
legislature
and
public
works
and
administration
around
an
opportunity
for
the
community
to
buy
that
site,
and
you
know
so
I
don't
want
to
get
too
specific
to
that
and
considering
how
many
additional
floors,
if
that
wasn't
the
case,
but
I'm
trying
to
understand
I,
guess
how
many
spaces,
like
what
kind
of
storage
facility
are
we
talking
here
and
what's
the
the
requirements
and
do
we
have
anything
identified
around
that
or.
E
E
As
I
said,
some
of
it
would
need
to
be
hauled
throughout
the
city,
and
so
we
did
factor
in
92
each
truck
and
trailer
to
haul
that
equipment
around
in
year,
two
of
the
capital,
the
capital
expenditures
we
do.
We
did
estimate
three
million
dollars
for
some
sort
of
a
storage
facility,
Slash
maintenance
facility
for
all
this
new
equipment.
E
So
it
would
be
92
trucks
and
92
trailers.
B
Thank
you
I
appreciate
that
Vice
chairkoski.
K
I,
know
a
dollar
amount
of
what
that
would
look
like,
but
you
have
a
number
of
how
many
people
we
would
need
or
did
I
miss
that
in
the
details
I
saw
the
labor
operating
cost,
but
I
didn't
see
the
actual
like
do
you
have
an
estimate
of
how
many
full-time
staff
and
part-time
staff
you
think
it
would
take
to
do
and
I
understand
where
I'm
asking
you
this
question
and
there's
you've
shown
us
phased
approaches
here
too.
So
I'm,
not
sure.
If
you
have
that.
E
K
Okay,
thank
you.
That's
really
helpful
and
then
I
just
wanted
to
say.
Thank
you
so
much
for
the
work
that
you
put
into
it
and
the
thoroughness
of
this
information,
and
it's
just
been
really
helpful-
to
get
a
clearer
picture.
I
also
think
that
the
the
presentation
is
really
digestible
for
our
constituents
that
we
can
be
able
to
send
them
this
information.
So
it's
really
helpful
to
with
the
pictures
the
diagrams.
K
B
You
and
I
think
we
might
be
at
the
end
of
the
questions
part.
So
unless
I
see
others
from
committee
members
I
think
you
two
thank
you
so
much
Mr
Holland
and
Miss
Novak
and
so
we'll
turn
to
any
sort
of
comments
from
Council
Members,
council
member
Vita.
L
Thank
you,
chair,
Johnson
I,
just
wanted
to
say
thank
you
staff
for
this
presentation.
It's
confirmed
for
me
more
than
anything
that
I
want
to
continue.
Shoveling
my
own
snow
I
want
to
use
my
own
products
on
my
property.
I
want
to
put
my
snow
on
my
grass
on
my
plant,
so
they
can
melt
for
winter.
Blossoms
I
have
about
2500
tulips
in
my
yard
and
I
love
the
snow.
You
know
it
helps
to
melt
when
it
melts.
It
helps
to
grow
and
I,
also
love
just
being
out
with
my
neighbors
in
the
winter
months.
L
L
I
Thank
you,
chair,
Johnson,
I,
think
councilmember
checks.
How
you
raise
this,
but
in
terms
of
you
know,
I
know,
residents
will
see
this
and
see.
You
know
the
sticker
shock
immediately,
but
recognizing
we're
already
paying
this
and
more
when
we
look
at
the
social
cost
of
not
making
sure
that
our
sidewalks
are
either
a
safe
and
accessible
to
every
single
residence
regardless.
I
If
you
are
a
singer,
if
you
are
experiencing
mobility
issues,
if
you
have
children
which
I
hear
all
the
time
that
in
the
winter
folks
face
the
greatest
amount
of
social
isolation
or
we're
seeing
increases
in
trips
to
the
ER,
because
residents
are
hurting
themselves
by
going
to
do
exactly
that,
walk
down
the
street,
which
is
what,
in
our
Transit,
you
know
tap
program,
Transit
action
plan.
I
We
want
to
make
sure
our
residents
are
able
to
walk
and
visit
all
parts
of
their
neighborhoods
all
throughout
the
year,
because
we
live
in
the
Arctic
jungle
and
that's
not
going
to
change
anytime
soon
and
the
fact
that
there's
thousands
of
our
res
that
you
don't
have
that
Mobility
during
a
big
chunk
of
the
year
is
really
set.
I
And
this
is
actually
a
really
easy
solution
to
make
sure
that
we're
meeting
that
public
need
for
our
residents
and
recognizing
we
can
do
that
over
time
and
we've
done
that
we
recognize
getting
to
a
15
minimum
wage
was
not
going
to
happen
overnight,
but
we
took
the
time
to
say:
let's
phase
this
in
because
no
one,
no
worker
in
our
city
deserves
poverty
wages.
So
when
there's
a
political
will,
we
can
absolutely
make
all
sorts
of
things
happen
to
meet
the
needs
of
the
public
and
I
wish.
I
Here
we
had
dozens
of
residents,
show
up
and
say:
climate
crisis
is
real
and
we
need
to
make
make
bold
Investments
to
meet
that
reality
and
while
we're
trying
to
do
that
in
some
ways,
this
is
a
clear
way
which
we
can
get
there,
because
we
should
not
be
relying
on
the
Good
Samaritan,
like
council,
member
Vita
and
her
husband,
you
know
just
think
waking
up
at
the
crocodon
to
meet
that
need.
That's
a
public
need,
and
this
is
what
we're
here
to
do-
is
to
meet
the
needs
of
the
public.
I
That's
why
we're
elected,
so
I'm
really
excited
to
continue
conversations
with
constituents
and
staff
around
how
we
blaze
a
path
forward
to
making
sure
that
our
streets
are
actually
safe.
This
is
part
of
Public
Safety
and
right
now.
This
is
the
part
where
we're
experiencing
great
amounts
of
shortcomings.
I
B
Thank
you,
councilmember
Vice,
chairkoski,
all
right
any
other
council
members
with
any
comments
on
this.
So
just
say
a
few
things
on
the
first
and
I
think.
That's
probably
the
third
time
I've
said
it,
but
thank
you
again
so
much
to
staff
for
your
work
on
this.
It
was
really
thorough,
I'm,
really
happy
to
see
as
well
a
number
of
different
Pilots
brought
forward
with
some
numbers.
B
I
think
that
was
something
council
member
Chuck
Tai
mentioned
is
just
not
having
solely
hey
this
big
price
tag,
item
or
status
quo,
but
having
some
options
in
between
and
some
things
for
us
to
think
about
in
terms
of
next
steps.
I
also
think
you
know
as
much
as
to
councilmember
wansley's
point:
there's
going
to
be
sticker
shock
that
if
any
you
know
if
the
Star
Tribune
writes
about
this
or
what
have
you
you
know,
some
people
may
see
that
and
go.
B
Oh
I
think
we
got
to
take
a
step
back
here
and
think
about
what
even
the
intent
and
the
goal
around
the
staff
Direction
was
and
I
think
that's
where
we
should
be
centering
ourselves,
which
is
that
two
council
member
wansley's
point
you
know
this
is
year-round
or
this
is
a
winter
City.
You
know
people
need
to
get
around
safely.
A
theme
that
we
heard
today
was
around
that
safety
piece.
It's
around.
B
Also,
if
one
person
that,
if
that
was
to
be
equally
applied
across
the
city,
that
would
be
one
person
on
each
block
that
doesn't
do
their
Duty
and
that
would
make
that
block
impassable
in
that
case,
and
so
clearly
more
needs
to
be
done
around
this
and
so
I
again
very
excited
by
the
different
options
available
to
us.
B
I
think,
frankly,
with
39
million
plus
a
year
that
is
going
to
be
very
challenging
for
this
Council
during
last
year's
budget,
I
believe
the
largest
ongoing
budget
amendment
from
the
council
was
less
than
one
percent
of
that
at
just
over
three
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
dollars
and
I
believe
that
was
a
very
close
seven
to
six
vote
on
that
item
as
well.
B
If
you
add
up
15
Departments
of
the
city,
this
would
be
more
than
their
Collective
budgets
and
in
fact,
if
it
was
its
own
Standalone
Department,
it
would
be
in
just
behind
cumulatively,
all
of
Public
Works,
followed
by
the
police
department,
followed
by
the
fire
department,
and
then
that's
where
this
would
be
ahead
of,
for
instance,
cped's
entire
budget
I
am
glad
to
see
some
of
these
different
options
available,
piloting
the
snow
ambassadors
potential
mobile
team
model
pilot
with
snow
case
workers,
I
think
this
was
mentioned
before
by
council
member
wansley,
adjusting
the
fees
upwards
for
different
property
types,
which
is
something
that
staff
provided
as
an
option
as
well.
B
I
think
are
all
things
we
shouldn't
just
explore,
but
are
things
we
should
do
and
then
I
hope
this
Committee
in
our
work
together
and
in
work
with
the
budget
committee
can
actually
move
the
needle
and
do
something
this
year
in
regards
to
taking
it
to
that
next
step,
so
that
we
can
move
towards
getting
to
that
goal,
which
I
believe
not
only
every
Committee
Member.
But
every
person
in
this
room
would
support.
I
would
hope.
B
H
Yeah,
thank
you.
Chair
Johnson
I,
really
appreciate
your
your
comments
around
some
of
the
the
things
that
we
should
actively
work
on
implementing
in
this
upcoming
budget
cycle.
I'm
excited
about
working
with
you
and
and
other
members
on
moving
that
along
to
the
next
to
the
next
step
and
next
phase.
H
You
know
I
I,
don't
know
that
I've
talked
about
it
here,
but
I
I
believe
I
did
at
a
forum
or
something
my
I'm,
the
oldest
of
four
kids.
My
brother
is
12
right
and
when
my
mom
was
pregnant
with
Abraham
she
slipped
and
and
fell,
and
she
had
a
very
high
risk.
Pregnancy
she's
diabetic
at
the
time
and
she
broke
the
fall
with
her
knees
and
and
her
wrists.
H
She
broke
the
cartilage
on
her
knee
and
she
was
just
walking
to
the
car
to
go,
get
groceries,
I
think
or
she
was
going
to
a
doctor's
appointment.
Maybe
and
the
sidewalk
wasn't
properly
salted.
That's
how
this
entire
thing
happened.
H
H
So
it
was
about
a
year
before
they
could
do
anything
to
address
her
her
knee
and
during
that
entire
time,
walking
things
like
walking,
standing
up
sitting
down
were
very
painful
and
uncomfortable,
and
this
is
this
has
resulted
in
a
12
year,
long
challenge
with
Mobility
for
her
she's
in
her
40s
and
like
cannot
go
upstairs
period
ever
anymore.
H
So
when
we
look
at
you
know,
1
000,
problem
properties
and
1
000
blocks
that
are
inaccessible,
I,
think
about
the
amount
of
people
who
can't
navigate
our
streets
safely
and
the
type
of
costs
that
are
associated
that
we
can't
measure
that
results
from
a
slip
of
fall
in
injury.
These
are
real
people's
lives.
Real
families
lives
that
are
impacted
in
immeasurable
ways
and
what
we're
talking
about
doing
is
making
an
investment
in
a
public,
good
right
and
and
all
investments
in
accessibility
and
safety.
All
public
goods
are
expensive,
that's
the
reality.
H
B
Thank
you,
councilmember.
Any
other
comments
or
questions
on
this
item.
I
am
not
seeing
any
so
without
objection,
I'll
direct
the
clerk
to
receive
and
file
this
report
and
then
before.
We
conclude
our
meeting
I'd
like
to
ask
director
Anderson
Keller,
to
give
this
committee
an
informal
verbal
update
on
potholes,
which
has
been
a
Hot
Topic
for
this
first
half
of
the
year.
So.
D
Great
thank
you
Mr
chair
and
first,
if
I
could
just
again
thank
our
team.
This
was
a
team
effort
on
this
report.
I
hope
you
all
could
see.
You
know
our
goal
is
to
give
you
the
best
information
possible
and
to
provide
that,
because,
if
we're
going
to
be
asked
to
provide
this
service
in
the
future,
we
want
to
do
it
at
the
highest
caliber
level
for
the
public
and
I
hope.
D
You
all
felt
that
today,
because
I
sure
felt
that,
as
our
team
worked
on
it-
and
you
know,
Joe
and
Cadence
led
the
team,
but
maybe
raise
your
hand
if
you
worked
on
this
team
in
the
room
so
that
you
can
see
like
how
many
and
then
there
also
were
folks
in
it
neighborhood
and
community
relations
OPI
the
finance
department
who
worked
on
this
with
us.
So
it
was
pretty
extensive.
So
thank
you
for
that.
D
I
also
just
want
to
say
the
story
about
the
snow
shovel
came
from
me
because,
when
we
purchased
our
first
home
in
1991
in
on
on
Vincent
Avenue
North,
we
moved
in
in
the
week
of
October
late
October
and
you
can
see
where
that
story
is
going
because
we
had
been
renters
before
and
we
had
no
shovel,
and
so
that
was
fun
to
figure
out.
You
got
to
know
your
neighbors
fast
that
year,
because
you
needed
to
rely
on
them
to
provide
a
whole
bunch
of
things
with
the
Halloween
blizzard.
D
I
want
to
talk
about
potholes
and
then
Mr
chair.
If
you'll
indulge
me
I'd
like
to
talk
about
the
press
conference
that
we
did
today
as
well,
so
to
date
we
have
had
7
628
potholes
reported
to
nine
one
to
three
one,
one,
not
nine
one,
one,
although
I
think
some
people
maybe
feel
like
it
should
have
been
9-1-1.
D
We
are
down
to
a
little
over
a
thousand
not
being
cleared
in
the
system,
we're
going
through
that
process.
Right
now,
they're.
You
know
there
are
differences
in
our
districts
in
how
those
are
being
cleared
and
being
matched
those.
We
do
believe
those
are
non-duplicative
right
now,
but
that
is
a
fairly
good
clearance
rate,
but
we
do
have
some
some
hard
ones
to
get
done
there.
D
You
know
there's
whole
stretches
of
roadway
that
need
basically
not
just
a
pothole
filling
but
more
like
a
it's,
not
a
million
overlay,
but
we
would
go
in
and
and
do
the
whole
surface
of
that
stretch
of
road,
because
it's
in
such
poor
condition.
So
we
also
I
want
to
just
give
an
update.
We
do
often
have
sinkholes
and
sinkholes
are
different
than
potholes.
As
you
all
have
learned,
we
have
nine
we've
had
93
reported
this
year.
D
That's
not
actually
a
high
level
Mark
for
us
yet,
but
we
do
see
and
I
think
Mr,
chair
and
committee
members.
One
of
the
biggest
reasons
for
this
is
the
freeze
thaw
cycle.
It's
not
just
the
amount
of
snow
we
had,
but
the
temps
that
we
had
were
in
such
a
way
that
created
more
of
more
sinkhole
conditions,
we're
working
on
those
some
of
those
councilmember
Chuck.
Tai
knows
we.
D
We
have
a
rather
large
one
in
her
Ward
that
is
actually
in
the
in
the
hands
of
the
Metropolitan
council
at
this
point
for
the
repair
and
it's
taking
them
a
little
bit
longer
so
a
few
more
weeks.
Yet
so
I
know
it's
a
huge
inconvenience
to
the
public
when
we
have
to
close
part
of
a
street
or
all
of
a
street
because
of
the
sinkhole
issue.
But
we
will
continue
to
work
on
that.
D
B
D
C
I
Thank
you,
chair,
Johnson,
I
know
we're
going
to
be
getting
a
legislative
update
soon,
and
it's
good
to
have
the
chair
of
igr
here
too,
but
just
knowing
that
the
state
legislator
passed
that
Amazon
delivery
fee
and
I
know
it
was.
It
was
a
goal
of
really
looking
at.
I
In
addition
to
you
know
natural
events
like
winter,
what
are
additional,
you
know,
entities,
that's
adding
you
know,
wear
and
tear
on
our
streets
that
degrades
them
even
further,
in
addition
to
freeze
thaw
and
all
sorts
of
winter
activities
that
we
have
I
mean
we
do
have
control
over
the
climate
crisis,
but
right
now,
let's
distance,
that
is
there
any
conversations
right
now
in
terms
of
that's
a
potential
Revenue
Source,
especially
as
we're
having
conversations
around.
I
How
do
we
support
these
public
goods
just
wanted
to
know
if
Public
Works
is
also
in
conversations
with?
Maybe
it's
director
to
Pink
around
how
we're
imagining
and
supporting
you
know,
costs
like
that
around
potholes
and
things
nature.
D
D
So
Mr
chair
and
councilmember
wansley
I
will
say
that
I
I
I
am
grateful
for
all
of
your
forbearance,
because
I
spent
the
last
two
weeks
of
the
session
at
the
Capitol
with
the
team
and
particularly
worked
with
chair
hornstein
and
chair
Dibble
on
the
transportation
Bill
and
this
delivery
fee
is
a
really
you
know
groundbreaking
thing
now
it
did
have
to
be
negotiated,
upward,
I,
guess
I
would
say
to
deliveries
over
a
hundred
dollars
and
that
does
erode
some
of
the
you
know,
effectiveness
of
both
the
collection,
but
also
the
message
behind
that
you
know
it.
D
We
are
well
beyond
the
day
of
you
know
some
20
years
ago,
or
maybe
the
UPS
truck
or
the
Amazon
truck
now
would
come
once
down
your
street
I
mean
they
it's
it's
quite
regular.
The
money
was
divided
up
in
the
bill,
but
it
because
it's
more
flexible
money.
It's
not
gas
tax
money.
There
are
dollars
coming
towards
a
large
city
account
that
will
be
divided
amongst
large
cities,
mndot's
still
working
on
the
formula
and
the
calculation
of
that
we
were
also
able
to
get
some
one-time
designation.
D
We
have
a
new
fund
designated
for
Ada,
but
it
only
has
one-time
money
in
it
right
now,
and
so
that's
another
place
that
I
think
we
will
see
some
progress.
The
the
other
part
of
this
I
think
so
that
delivery
fee
has
real
promise
for
the
future,
I
think
to
help
us
repair,
our
aging
roadways-
and
there
were
many
stories
at
the
capitol
of
course,
of
communities
like
ours
who
are
facing
this
challenge.
D
It
is
an
important
breakthrough
in
terms
of
funding,
and
the
other
thing
I
should
just
mention
is
the
amazing
amount
of
Transit
funding
that
was
secured
in
this
legislative
session
dedicated
and
that
will
come
through
the
the
sales
tax
and
that
I
think
is
going
to
be
a
game
changer
for
the
city
as
well
being
able
to
fully
build
out
the
abrt
system
to
be
able
to
do
some
upgrades
to
our
regular
city
streets
in
terms
of
the
transit
system.
D
So
all
these
things
working
together,
I
think
we're
getting
there,
but
we
we
still
could
use
more
resources.
D
So
Mr
Chambers
and
maybe
councilmember
Payne
pain
hold
up
the
backpack
and
we
have
at
least
one
of
these
for
each
of
our
members
today
and
some
stickers.
So
this
is,
we
did
a
kickoff
today
and
the
chair
and
co-chair
and
council
member
Chavez
joined
us
because
we
were
in
his
ward
of
both
the
marketing
campaign
of
the
transportation
action
plan
and
we
have
people
in
the
room.
Who've
been
working
on
this
for
a
long
time.
D
This
will
be
an
ongoing
year
to
year
campaign
called
As
You
Go
Minneapolis,
with
the
theme
being
mode
shift
and
getting
folks
to
shift
their
trips
three
out
of
five
trips
to
a
mode
other
than
a
gasoline-powered
vehicle,
and
so
particularly
Transit
walking
biking
using
the
scooters
using
the
electric
bikes
that
we
have
available,
and
we
did
that
today
at
Midtown
Global
Market,
and
we
did
it
there
because
of
course,
this
weekend
marks
the
beginning
of
open
streets
and
I
want
to
remind
you
that
this
weekend
is
East.
D
Lake
Street
runs
from
11
A.M
to
5
p.m
and
then
I'm
just
going
to
mention
the
next
one,
which
is
Glenwood
on
Sunday
July
16th,
and
there
will
be
five
throughout
this
season,
but
a
great
time,
and
we
just
want
to
urge
folks
to
use
Transit
bike
and
walk
to
get
to
open
streets
if
they
can
as
well.
In
fact,
there's
I
believe
there's
a
free
bus
pass
available,
free
transit
pass
to
get
to
open
streets.
If
you
go
to
the
open
streets
website,
and
then
there
also
is
a
lime
discount
for
scooters
and
bikes.