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Planning for the Upper Harbor Terminal project has changed due to the pandemic. Markella Smith, co-chair of the Upper Harbor Terminal Collaborative Planning Committee joins Learning Tables community engagement lead DeVon Nolen and Brandon Champeau of United Properties to talk about where things are at.
B
B
C
I
feel
a
lot
of
different
ways
to
be
honest.
Since
the
last
time
we
talked
obviously
there's
been
a
lot
of
things.
That's
been
happening
in
our
city
in
our
country,
especially
around
vaccines
and
vaccinations
and
stuff,
like
that,
so
I'm
trying
to
gather
my
my
thoughts
and
feelings
as
far
as
that
goes.
But
what's
going
on
in
your
world
kim
tell
me
some
good
news
today.
B
C
It
is
it's
definitely
a
a
nice
winter
day.
I
like
it
just
like
this.
Lord
knows
it's
not
going
to
stay
that
way,
but
you
got
to
figure
out
a
plan
to
beat
the
wintertime,
so
I
am
glad
to
be
with
you
minneapolis.
My
name
is
anthony
taylor.
I
am
the
african
american
community
specialist
for
the
city
of
minneapolis.
C
We
are
back
today
again
to
talk
about
some
important
things.
That's
happening
in
our
community
and
the
topic
for
today,
minneapolis
will
be
the
upper
harbor
terminal
update
right.
We
have
talked
with
folks
from
the
upper
harbor
terminal
and
provided
us
some
information,
maybe
about
a
year
ago
on
what's
happening,
really
big
project
in
the
north
side
of
minneapolis
and
I've
got
a
couple
of
people
on
to
talk
about
it.
Markella
smith,
devon,
nolan,
who's
been
on
before
and
brandon.
C
I
think
he's
champ
champo
and
I'm
sorry
from
chopping
up
his
name,
but
he
will
be
on
later
too
to
talk
about
some
updates
with
upper
harbor,
but
I
want
to
just
kind
of
go
over
some
things:
real,
quick
minneapolis
before
we
get
started.
I
think
those
of
you
who
are
listening
were
listening
to
governor
waltz
and
kind
of
some
of
the
updates
regarding
the
dial
back
plan
that
happened
remember.
C
This
was
a
four
week
pause
that
put
a
pause
in
the
breaks
on
a
lot
of
different
things,
as
we
we
opened
governor
waltz,
updated
us
was
in
the
process
of
updating
us
about
some
of
those
things
that
are
happening
now.
As
far
as
loosening
some
of
those
restrictions
so
I'll
go
over
it
briefly
and
again,
things
may
change.
C
So
I
also
want
to
encourage
you
to
make
sure
that
you
go
to
your
places
of
news
to
get
the
updated
information,
but
what
we
have
had
so
far
is
the
fact
is
that
bars
and
restaurants
can
dial
back
what
have
outdoor
seating
but
limited
to
50
capacity,
100
customers
at
a
time,
gyms
and
fitness
studios
can
open
up
at
a
quarter,
opacity,
which
is
100
customers
or
a
limit
in
those
workout
facilities
and
gyms.
You
have
to
keep
a
12
foot
social
distancing
in
those
capacities,
as
well
as
outdoor
entertainment.
C
Venues
can
open
up
at
25
capacity
with
100
customer
limit,
and
youth
sports
can
practice
again
on
january
4th,
which
I
think
is
important
for
for
those
young
people
who
are
have
to
cut
their
seasons
short
and
do
a
lot
of
their
their
practices.
Online.
Virtually
in-person
gatherings
can
be
adjusted,
so
families
can
be
involved
with
another
family
who
live
in
their
household.
So
this
is
not
when
we
say
with
the
gatherings.
There's
a
bunch
of
families,
you
you
have
to
be
smart
about
it,
minneapolis
and
who
you
gather
with
anyway.
C
But
the
idea
around
this
is
that
one
family
in
each
household
can
be
able
to
gather
and
then
a
lot
of
the
things
that
are
in
place
that
still
are
open
to
the
public
as
far
as
retail
stores,
salons
places
of
worship
and
child
care
center.
So
make
sure
that
you
get
your
news
and
also
what
elementary
school
opening
looks
like
as
well.
C
C
One
quick
thing
here
before
we
get
into
the
upper
harbor
terminal
is
that
the
peacetime
emergency
is
still
extended
through
january
13th,
and
this
includes
evictions
and
those
things
like
that.
But
please
minnesota,
if
you're
able
to
pay
your
rent.
Please
do
so
again.
This
is
provide
you
protections
around
evictions,
so
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we
understand
that
and
that
is
still
extended
through
january
13th.
C
We
have
a
lot
of
information
in
minneapolis
about
testing
sites
that
you
can
go
and
get
free
testing
done
and
there's
so
many
and
we've
been
able
to
provide
lots
of
different
information
on
the
testing
sites.
What
I
want
you
to
do,
minneapolis
is
go
to
minneapolis.gov
coronavirus,
to
find
out
where
you
can
get
free,
covet,
19
testing
in
your
areas.
A
lot
of
these
places
are
are
spread
out
around
our
city
in
different
cultural
communities.
So
there's
opportunities
for
you
to
go
into
places
where
you
feel
comfortable
to
get
tested.
C
We've
talked
about
covet,
for
it
seems
like
almost
a
year.
I
think
these
sources
of
information
is
helpful.
So
please
make
sure
you
go
to
minneapolis.gov
coronavirus
to
make
sure
that
you
find
out
your
testing
sites
where
you
can
get
free
covet
testing.
That's
a
lot
of
information
quickly.
Minnesota
saw
minneapolis,
so
I
want
to
make
sure
that
you
go
to
either
camel
jay's
site
or
go
to
the
city
site
to
be
able
to
get
that
information,
and
one
of
the
things
that
we've
always
talked
about.
C
C
So
what
I
think
is
important,
too,
is
that
we
still
focus
on
our
future.
So
what
I
want
to
do
is
shift
gears
and
talk
to
some
folks.
Who've
been
working
on
the
upper
harbor
tournament
for
a
long
time,
and
I
want
to
invite
markela
smith-
is
the
co-chair
and
executive
director
for
the
mckinley
community.
B
C
D
You
can
also
go
on
the
website.
It's
upper
harbor
mpls.com
and
you
can
find
the
survey
there
as
well,
but
what
we
really
need
is
for
the
public
to
make
their
comments.
We've
worked
really
really
hard
to
make
sure
that
this
plan.
I
say
we
when
I
say
we
I
mean
the
cpc
committee.
We've
worked
really
hard
to
make
sure
that
this
plan
benefits
north
siders
and
that
it's
going
to
bring
some
opportunity
that
maybe
hasn't
been
here
for
years
to
the
north
side.
C
And
and
devon
you've
been
working
on
this
project.
I
know
you're
doing
a
lot
of
learning
tables
and
community
engagement
efforts
throughout
this
project,
and
this
project
is
huge
and
it's
taken
years
to
be
able
to
get
to
where
we're
at
where
you
guys
are
at
at
this
point,
tell
us
a
little
bit
about
this
project
for
those
who
really
don't
understand
or
maybe
aren't
as
informed
as
the
upper
harbor
terminal.
Tell
us
exactly
the
scope
and,
and
and
what
is
this
all
about
for
north
minneapolis.
E
It's
48.8
acres
right
off
of
dowling
in
washington,
and
so
those
of
us
who
are
native
northsiders
were
recognized
by
the
big,
the
big
domes
that
have
that
have
been
there
for
for
quite
quite
a
long
time,
and
so
it's
that's
what's
being
proposed.
It's
it's
a
large
development
and,
like
markella,
said
we're
open
to
the
public
comment
period
right
now.
E
E
It
proposes
to
build
a
community
performing
arts
center,
formerly
known
as
the
music
venue.
It
is
really
again
being
community
and
people
centered,
and
a
community
health
and
wellness
hub,
as
well
as
providing
opportunities
for
community
ownership
and
bringing
300
plus
livable
wage
jobs
to
the
north
side,
and
we
have
been
really
adamant
about
the
way
sister
markella
refers
to
it.
Is
we
don't
want
to
just
be
the
health
right?
E
C
And
I'm
glad
you
talked
about
that
too
sis
and
I'm
I'm
glad
that
you're
back
as
well,
because
the
way
you
talk
about
this
project
is
so
informational
and
and
one
of
the
things
that
I've
been
learning
about.
The
work
that
you've
done
and
also
the
committee
is
the
the
learning
tables
right
and
you'll
get
a
chance
and
markel
as
well
later,
to
kind
of
briefly
tell
folks
how
they
can
get
involved.
C
But
since
the
process
that
did
you
both
of
you
have
started
with
the
learning
tables,
what
are
some
of
the
key
takeaways
that
folks
in
the
community
gave
you
about
this
project
like
what
are
the
sense
that
they
they
feel?
Is
it?
Is
it
anything
that
that
that
you
could
share
to
folks
that
really,
you
know
caught
your
attention
about
what
folks
were
saying
with
these
engagement
learning
tables.
E
Right
so
we
actually
have
a
learning
table
tonight
at
4
30.
This
will
be
our
10th
or
11th.
I
stopped
counting
down.
We
just
keep
showing
up,
but
what
the
learning
table
process
is
really
about,
creating
a
space
where
we
can
develop
what
we
call
the
learning
glue,
because
we
know
that
the
average
community
member
here
in
north
minneapolis
is
not
a
developer.
E
I
became
a
developer
so
that
I
could
understand
how
development
works,
but
oftentimes
the
project
is
happening
to
us
and
does
not
include
us,
and
so
this
has
been
a
a
people
centered
project.
I
just
want
to
echo
that
and
it's
being
driven
by
north
siders,
like
if
you
go
on
the
website.
You'll
see
who's
been
involved
in
shaping
this
project,
and
so
we
need
to
be
intentional
about
challenging
that
narrative
about
who
will
be
the
best
benefit
benefactor
of
what
is
built.
E
What
we've
heard
anthony
is
everything
right,
so
the
whole
spectrum
of
folks
who
absolutely
think
this
is
the
wrong
thing
to
do,
and
we
should
not
be
developing
the
river
all
the
way
to
the
other
end
of
the
spectrum
of
folks
who
are
ready
to
start
laying
bricks
and
signing
leases,
and
so
our
challenge
has
been.
How
do
we
reconcile
that?
How
do
we
find
a
middle
ground,
because
at
the
juncture
that
the
development
is
at
now,
it's
it's?
It's
likely
going
to
happen
right.
E
There
are
still
people
who
want
it
to
not
happen
and
it's
okay.
We
get
to
resist
in
whatever
way
works
for
us,
I'm
all
about
resisting.
This
just
happens
to
be
how
I
resist,
and
so
we
have
heard
the
deep
and
invalid
mistrust
of
government
mistrust
of
processes,
because
there's
a
long
history
of
divestment
and
disinvestment.
So
that
is
we
understand
that
I'm
usually
the
one
flipping
over
tables
in
these
needs
right.
E
But
when
I
show
up
to
the
meeting-
and
I
see
my
neighbors
and
I
see
folks
who
I
know
are
vested
in
this
community
who
are
putting
their
blood
sweat
and
tears
into
shaping
it
and
making
sure
that
there
isn't
just
these
kind
of
highfalutin
ideas
about
what
community
benefits
are
but
really
making
them
concrete.
And
I
know
it's
a
lot.
I
know
the
the
draft
coordinated
plan
is
92
pages.
E
I
know
the
average
community
member
is
not
going
to
read
all
92
pages,
but
if
you
start
with
page
seven
through
fourteen
a
lot
of
what
I've
been
hearing
over
the
last
year
and
a
half
the
questions
that
have
surfaced
about
what
does
this
project
really
mean
are
captured
in
that
page?
Seven
through
fourteen.
C
And
that's
that's
beautiful
and
I'm
glad
you
even
made
that
specific
defeat.
People,
because
you're
right
92
pages
is
a
lot.
But
if
you
direct
them
folks
to
the
meat
of
what
you
said,
I
think
that's
vitally
important
and
I
want
to
bring
you
back
in
and
markel
and
just
kind
of
add
to
the
question
like
what
are
some
of
your
thoughts
and
feelings
about
the
things
that
you've
heard
during
this
engagement
process.
That
you'd
like
to
add
to.
D
Right,
I
mean
that's
pretty
much
echo
what
divine
says:
we've
heard
the
whole
spectrum
of
this
shouldn't
be
happening
to
we
don't
trust
the
city.
We
don't
trust
and
I'll
be
very
real.
We
don't
trust
these
white
folks
coming
into
the
city
developing
in
our
neighborhoods,
like
we've
heard
it
all,
but
I've
also
heard
that
people
are
ready
for
a
change.
People
are
ready
for
opportunity,
they're
ready
for
the
financial
and
economic
growth
that
could
happen.
D
We
as
a
community
are
worried
about
displacement
gentrification,
which
are
very
valid
concerns,
but
I
believe
that
this
plan
addresses
that
and
addresses
it
in
a
way
that
it's
going
to
benefit
north
side
instead
of
taking
away
from
it.
But
yeah
I
mean
I'm
glad
that
I
mentioned
that
if
northside
is
at
the
table,
I've
also
heard
that
we
at
the
table
don't
truly
represent
northside
I've
been
north
side.
My
whole
life,
my
family,
is
here.
I
grew
up
here,
like
my
kids
are
here.
D
C
B
C
Against
the
clock,
in
about
10
minutes,
and
these
two
women
can
can
speak
to
a
lot
of
these
things
that
brandon
can
talk
to
about
as
well
too,
but
what
I
want
to
focus
on
and
you
brought
it
up.
Devon
is
next
steps
right
and
and
how
residents
can
stay
involved,
and
you
talk
about
a
meeting
tonight,
but
but
tell
folks
how
they
can
and
be
involved
and
then
also
too
a
question
for,
for
both
of
you
is
we.
C
C
E
Thank
you
anthony.
I
appreciate
the
question
and
I'm
going
to
be
candy
because
you
know
that's
what
we
do
on
this
show.
We
have
guys
to
pay
attention
and
we
have
got
to
take
onus
for
ourselves
right.
So
so
the
information
is
there,
but
it's
beyond
just
the
information.
It's
about
understanding,
what's
being
presented
to
you,
and
so
we've
worked
really
hard
to
try
to
digest
years
years
and
years
worth
of
work
and
put
it
in
a
package
that
is
that
can
be
presented
and
digestible
in
communities.
E
It's
not
finalized
right,
there's
still
opportunities
to
help
shape
the
plan,
and
so,
if
you
go
to
upper
harbormpls.com,
the
the
comment
period
is
open
until
I
believe
january
13th
there's
also
online
city
cities.
Opening
excuse
me
hosting
online
meetings.
The
remaining
meetings
are
january
5th
on
december
20th
january
10th.
E
So
there
there's
a
whole
host
of
ways
to
still
get
involved,
and
you
know
I
would
say
if
you
do,
a
quick
google
search
for
upper
harbor
terminal
or
if
you
go
to
eventbrite
you'll,
find
our
events
but
get
involved,
and
if
you
don't
know
how
to
get
involved.
These
committee
members,
their
names
are
listed.
On
the
you
know,
beginning
pages
of
the
coordinated
plan,
we
are
at
your
ambassadors
for
this
project.
I
know
that
I
watch
them
reckon
with
how
do
we
reconcile
all
these
different
voices?
C
E
Are
at
the
table
and
how
we're
being
heard?
It's
not
that
where
our
voice
is
just
being
extracted
and
whatever
gets
built,
gets
built,
it's
no
we're
making
sure
that
there
are
systems
of
accountability
built
in
and
and
we're
going
to
be
at
that
we're
going
to
be
there
for
the
long
haul.
Making
sure
that
that
this
is
for
the
north
side.
D
D
to
talk
about
the
upper
harbor
terminal
and
then
we'll
have
another
one.
On
january,
10th
and
it'll
be
the
same
thing
like
what
questions
do
you
guys
have
for
the
developers
for
the
city
for
mckinley
for
cpc
members?
What
what
things
do
you
want
us
to
know
and
then
also
feel
free
to
reach
out
to
me
or
mckinley
community
directly,
because
we
can't
we
can't
advocate
what
we
don't
know
right.
D
So,
if
you
guys
don't
express,
if
community
doesn't
express
what
it
is
that
they
want
or
what
it,
what
what
it
is
that
they
have
a
problem
with.
We
can't
then
advocate
for
it,
because
we
don't
know
so
it's
very,
very
important
when
devon
says
get
involved,
it's
important
to
get
involved,
and
not
even
at
the
level
that
we're
at,
because
we
understand
that
not
everybody
can
do
that
and
not
everybody
has
a
time
and
capacity
but
send
us
an
email.
My
email
at
work
is
mckinley.
Communitympls
gmail.com.
D
You
can
always
send
me
an
email.
We
can
set
up
a
time
to
talk
if
that's
easier
than
coming
to
meetings
and
being
on
zoom
calls,
and
all
of
that
we
get
it.
But
you
have
to
let
us
know
you
have
to
let
your
voice
be
heard
and
there's
multiple
ways
to
do
that
so
be
involved.
Follow
mckinley
community
because
we'll
continue
to
have
these
conversations
and
we'll
continue
to
be
out
in
the
community.
You
know
trying
to
make
sure
that
this
is
getting.
C
It
done
development
is
north
yep,
exactly
right,
that's
right!
That
was
long-winded,
yeah!
Yes,
that's
that's!
Okay,
the
the
thing
I
and
I
want
to
appreciate
you
two
women
for
coming
on
this
show
today
and
and
devon.
I'm
a
fan
of
your
work
around
all
of
this
that
you've
been
doing
with
with
community
engagement
markella,
I'm
a
fan
of
yours
on
your
work
from
the
green
zone,
northside
greenzone
task
force.
C
B
B
C
B
C
That
you,
you
came
back.
What
I
didn't
want
to
do
is
get
markela
and
devon
off,
while
they
were
talking,
but
real
quickly,
brandon.
What
is
being
done
to
make
sure
that
this
development
meets
the
needs
of
the
north
side,
markella
and
and
devon
broke
it
down
beautifully,
but
ensure
people
on
this
is
going
to
make
sure
that
folks,
over
north
are
going
to
be.
This
is
going
to
be
for
them.
A
Yeah,
it's
it's
a
great
question
and,
and
you
know
from
our
perspective,
at
united
properties,
I
mean
it's.
It's
started
with
a
lot
of
listening
and
you
know
I've
been
on
this
project
since,
since
we
were
selected
as
a
as
the
you
know,
lead
developer
in
late
2016.,
I've
been
on
it
from
day
one
and
have
attended
well
over
100
community
meetings.
A
But
but
you
know
through
the
through
this
process
and-
and
you
know
especially
these
last
couple
years,
working
closely
with
the
cpc
and
the
learning
table
at
these
learning
table
events
in
the
city,
it's
been
just
an
incredible
process
to
to
be
a
part
of,
and
I've
learned
a
lot.
You
know
just
just
personally
going
through
this,
but
you
know
but,
but
I
think
to
you
know
kind
of
sum
up
I
mean
we
we
need
to
do.
A
We've
had
to
rethink
everything
here
I
mean
this,
isn't
just
about
delivering
a
couple
of
real
estate
projects
and
and
then
moving
on.
You
know
it's
about
thinking
about
every
single
part
of
the
project.
From
from
how
the
you
know
how
the
products
are
getting
designed,
how
they're
getting
developed
and
built,
you
know
which
businesses
are
occupying
these
spaces
who's
directly.
A
You
know
who's
directly,
benefiting
from
from
the
actual
development
and
and
really
I
mean
just
having
to
stop
every
single
time
and
and
make
sure
we're
checking
ourselves
on
that,
because
a
lot
of
times
the
way
the
development
gets
done
is
just
much
more
linear
and
we're
going
to
build
a
building.
We're
going
to
fill
it
up
and
we're
going
to
move
on,
and
in
this
case
you
know,
that's
not
acceptable,
and,
and
we
can,
we've
got
to
do
a
better
job
than
that.
C
And
I
I
want
to
thank
you
because
that's
a
great
way
to
close
out
this
show.
What
comes
you
come
across?
It
is
really
making
sure
that
you
guys
have
been
intentional
about
the
north
side
residents,
and
I
appreciate
your
work
around
this
as
well.
Can
I
can
we
get
a
promise
from
you
to
be
able
to
come
back
and
talk
more
about
upper
harbor
too,
when
the
time
comes,.
B
C
C
And
this
project
is
huge
and
the
work
that
everybody's
been
doing
around.
That
I
mean
this
is
a
really
vital
right
and
when
I
first
started
to
work
for
the
city
just
hearing
about
this
has
made
me
really
excited
about
the
potential,
and
I
I
feel
always
when
I
hear
devon
and
markella
talking
about
that.
This
is
going
to
have
black
folks,
voices,
centered
and
and
folks
are
at
the
table,
making
this
plan
and
there's
not
extracting
information,
so
really
enjoyed
hearing
that
today.
So
we
are
out
of
time
minneapolis.
C
B
B
C
B
Some
people
just
need
a
little
cheering
and
some
people
could
really
use
some
help.
So
if
you
know
a
family,
that's
deserving
that
you
know
could
really
use
the
help
this
holiday
season,
or
you
know
whatever
we
can
do
to
help
bring
some
cheer
into
their
life.
Don't
forget
that
email
is
glam
life
kim
at
kmojfm.com,
it's
all
over
our
social
media
pages.