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A
B
Foreign
to
order
Welcome
to
the
August
15
2023
meeting
of
the
Monroe
Planning
Commission
and
we'll
have
roll
call
with
Shauna
Matthias
present
in
Rosamund
parks.
Mike
Eccles
is
absent
and
so
is
Nate
Treadaway,
I'm,
Randy,
camp
and
I'm
acting
chairman.
We
have
a
quorum
here
and
we'll
begin.
The
meeting.
B
Minutes
of
the
previous
meeting,
have
you
had
a
chance
to
read
these
and
look
through
these
any
corrections
or
additions?
No
motion
to
approve
motion.
B
D
Mean
I
mean
my
presentation:
first,
okay,
sorry,
it's!
Okay!
That's
all
right!
So
this
is
a.
This
is
a
certificate
of
appropriate
inner
request
and
your
corridors
on
overlay
District.
This
is
the
site
on
the
corner
of
Pinecrest
Drive
and
West
Spring
Street,
currently
occupied
by
the
Ace
Hardware
they're,
asking
for
permission
to
make
site
modifications
to
add
some
features
to
their
site
and
I'll
briefly
go
through
those.
D
So
they're
asking
to
add
some
outdoor
features
for
their
outdoor
and
seasonal
sales
features
on
the
site,
that
being
a
propane
tank,
some
pallet
storage
for
their
bulk
supplies,
a
pine
straw
trailer
and
they
have
added
a
seasonal
platform,
our
platform
for
seasonal
sales
of
outdoor
items
and
that's
currently
on
the
site
now
and
then
they're,
also
including
some
outdoor
storage,
that's
under
a
constructed
drive
through
for
the
former
Rite
Aid
location
and
they
are
proposing
to
screen
this
building.
D
Basically
enclosing
this
structure
from
View
and
all
the
proposed
changes
comply
with
your
Corridor
design
overlay
requirements.
The
recommendation
is
approval,
as
submitted
without
conditions.
B
Is
anyone
here
to
speak
in
favor
of
this
proposal
as
you
come
forward,
please.
B
B
C
D
Yes,
sir
Mr
chairman,
this
is
a
conditional
use
for
Quest
for
property
at
313,
Ash
Street.
This
property
is
currently
zoned
r1a
and
in
The
r1a
District
in
Monroe.
You
are
allowed
to
have
a
family
personal
care
home
as
a
conditional
use,
as
you
may
have
read
in
my
staff
report,
a
family,
personal
care
home,
as
defined
in
our
ordinances,
for
the
purposes
of
care
between
two
and
six
individuals
inside
of
a
residential
character
setting.
D
So
they
are
asking
for
a
conditional
use
for
the
personal
care
home,
a
family,
personal
care
home
at
this
location-
and
this
is
a
Google
street
view
of
the
site
itself.
The
site
or
the
property
does
share
a
driveway
with
the
property
to
the
north
at
311,
Ash
and
we've.
Provided
you
the
concerns
of
that
neighbor
that
was
submitted,
leave
Sunday
to
the
staff
and
the
issues
related
to.
If
the
report
we
had
identified
several
things,
specifically,
the
issues
related
to
the
shared
use
of
a
joint
driveway
for
this
type
of
facility.
D
E
Nikisha
title
sweater:
we
are
going
to
submit
a
we're
going
to
submit
some
things,
so
we
could
go
ahead
and
get
a
second
driveway
on
that
side
of
the
house.
So
the
shared
driveway
would
not
be
an
issue
if
we
apply
if
we
apply
to
get
the
driveway
approved,
we
know
it's
how
we
know
it'd
have
to
be
like
a
10
foot
driveway,
so
we're
in
the
process
of
doing
that.
D
F
D
Right,
so
if
we
go
back
to
your
your
plat
I'm,
not
trying
to
interrupt
her
presentation,
Mr
chairman
but
I,
think
right
up
front.
This
creates
an
issue
for
this
property.
Well,
first
things
we
don't
allow
parking
in
the
front
yard
of
a
residence.
That's
in
your
code
of
ordinances,
so
that's
off
the
table,
and
in
this
case
your
your
house
comes
all
the
way
over
to
the
right
side
of
the
property
line,
so
we're
not
going
to
allow
a
driveway
to
be
added
and
then
any
parking
in
the
front
of
the
structure.
D
F
D
Is
this
is
a
PowerPoint
presentation?
I
cannot
zoom
this
in
any
further,
but
this
is
the
plant
you
submitted
with
your
application.
I
can
provide
a
copy
of
it
to
you
right
here,
but
I'm
going
to
read
what
it
says
it
says.
Overhang
of
roof
is
.04
feet
across
the
property
line.
There
is
a
two
foot
wide
easement
around
the
side
of
the
house,
so
that's
only
adjoining
property,
so
your
house
butts
the
property
line.
F
F
Once
we're
able
to
contact
someone,
then
we'll
able
to
actually
get
some
kind
of
communication
in
writing
where
we're
able
to
physically
share
the
driveway,
because,
based
on
when
I
pulled
up
Google
Map,
we
actually
have
half
of
that
driveway
and
they
have
another
half.
That's.
D
D
At
this
juncture,
I
mean
it
may
be
appropriate
for
you
to
withdraw
this
application
until
you
have
that
permission.
Otherwise,
this
commission
has
to
make
a
recommendation
to
city
council
moving
forward
with
the
application
as
it
stands,
I
don't
know
what
they're
going
to
decide
to
do
this
evening.
I
might
suggesting
they're
going
to
go
in
the
direction
of
the
staff's
recommendation,
but
being
that
you
would
like
to
negotiate
with
the
neighbor.
Potentially,
that
would
be
an
option
to
you
guys.
D
That's
physically
impossible,
I
didn't
take
anything
away
from
you.
Your
property
literally
you
physically,
could
not
build
a
driveway
on
someone
else's
property.
That
would
not
be
possible
in
the
city
of
Monroe,
but
but
I
would
encourage,
though,
if
you
are
willing
and
trying
to
work
with
your
neighbor
and
because
you
have
an
existing
shared
driveway
with
that
neighbor.
If
they're
willing,
you
know,
and
if
they're
they're,
okay
with
you
using
the
shared
drive
for
this
purpose
and
maybe
adding
some
features
behind
your
house
to
allow
for
parking
behind
your
valves
and.
D
Package,
so
we
did,
we
published
her
objection
in
our
we
had
we,
we
didn't
receive
it
until
Sunday.
We
published
our
packet
on
Friday
and
we
provided
that
objection
to
the
Planning
Commission.
So
we
received
an
email
objection
to
the
request
for
a
variety
of
reasons
and
I'm
not
going
to
read
all
of
those
off,
but
we
did
provide
them
to
the
Planning
Commission.
The
the.
F
D
Concern
was
the
use
of
the
driveway,
they
didn't
Grant
permission
for
this
use.
There
were
a
variety
of
other
things
that
I
don't
recall
off
the
top
of
my
head,
but
there
was
a
simple
objection,
and
so,
if,
if
there's
a
possibility
that
you
could
work
things
out
with
your
neighbor,
the
correct
course
of
action
at
this
point
would
be
to
withdraw
this
application
and
try
to
pursue
that
route
or
you
could
continue
and
let
the
Planning
Commission
make
their
recommendation
in
city
council
Council
make
a
final
decision.
E
F
F
Right
now,
since
we're
undecided
as
to
whether
or
not
we're
going
to
be
able
to
contact
that
neighbor
and
actually
get
something
and
write
in,
they
are
communicating
with
them,
but
they're,
not
communicating
with
us,
and
he
does
have
my
number.
She
does
have
my
number
to
call
me.
F
D
Erica
friends
on
the
property,
that's
a
question:
I'm
not
not
trying
to
erupt
you,
but
you've
proposed
there
to
be
two
employees
in
the
at
the
personal
care
home.
That's
two
parking
spaces
alone,
that's
between
that's
my
wife
and
myself,
and
then
you're
required
to
have
two
additional
spaces
for
your
residents.
So
you
need
at
least
four
parking
spaces.
D
So
our
code
is
going
to
require
there
to
be
at
least
two
parking
spaces
for
each
of
the
residents.
Now,
if
you
occupy
both
those
spaces,
so
be
it,
but
I
was
just
going
to
buy
what
y'all
had
written
in
the
application.
You
had
two
employees,
and
so
my
thinking
was
two
employees,
two
parking
spaces
for
the
residents
who
live
there.
That's.
D
G
F
B
Anybody
else
here
to
speak
before
against
this
proposal,
because
I
think
the
applicant
is
withdrawn.
His
motion
request,
if
not
we'll
move
on
to
the
next
item,.
B
D
This
is
a
rezone
request
for
a
property
out
on
James
Huff
Road,
it's
approximately
49
Acres.
It
was
annexed
into
the
city
back
in
2006
and
Zone
to
R
Wayne
at
the
r1a.
At
that
time
they
are
now
asking
for
a
reason
to
PRD
per
council's
new
requirement,
as
you
may
recall,
from
this
past
spring,
or
this
or
late
winter,
requiring
all
undeveloped,
r-zone
properties
in
the
city
to
be
zoned
to
a
planned
District.
So
they're
here
tonight
to
ask
for
compliance
with
that
requirement.
They're
proposing
a
planned
District
rezone.
D
They
have
a
pattern
book,
that's
included
with
their
application
that
proposed
standards
for
their
development.
It's
basically
the
same
development
that
was
proposed
17
years
ago.
It's
129,
single-family
detached
Lots,
they've
added
a
second
entrance
off
old
Athens
Highway
to
comply
with
our
current
development
regulations.
So
there's
two
entrances
of
the
site,
one
off
James
huff
and
then
one
off
old,
Athens
Highway,
it's
pretty
straightforward,
they're,
proposing
minimum
standards
and
their
housing
Styles.
There
are
nothing
to
present.
They
are
proposing
to
comply
with
the
city's
minimum
requirements
for
for
house
construction.
That's
section!
D
910
of
your
zoning
ordinance
It's
relatively
straightforward.
There
are
some
concerns,
though,
that
I
know
the
council
has
stated
in
the
past
regarding
some
of
our
subdivision
development
in
the
city.
This
is
reflective
in
the
conditions
proposed.
I
know
that
Council
in
the
past
has
said
that
they
would
like
to
see
the
backs
of
homes,
away
from
roadways
and
increase
landscape
between
the
spaces.
So
the
two
conditions
that
were
proposed
are
to
address
the
council's
concerns
for
future
developments
in
the
city.
D
We're
asking
that
the
minimum
amount
has
to
be
10
000
square
feet,
they're,
proposing
that
there
are
lots
adjacent
to
the
road
be
smaller,
which
would
put
the
houses
close
to
the
roadway,
and
the
second
is
to
provide
some
clarity
as
to
what
can
be
in
a
landscape
buffer.
They
didn't
propose
any
details,
but
we're
asking
that
these
minimums
be
placed
in
there
to
provide
some
minimum
vegetation
to
be
including
the
landscape
buffer
and
those
are
the
two
conditions
that
I
have
I'm
telling
what
I
have
Mr
chairman?
H
H
H
J
My
name
is
Janice
Baldwin
I
live
at
585,
James,
Heff,
Road
and
I'm
also
here
to
represent
my
neighbor,
which
is
the
property
that
is
right.
Adjacent
to
that
I
know
we're
we're
really
not
opposed
to
I'm
a
realtor
I've
been
a
realtor
for
25
years.
The
biggest
concern
is
it's
been
farmland
for
probably
50
years,
and
what
are
they
going
to
do
when
they
develop
it
in
reference
to
the
creek?
That's
back
there,
because
there's
a
retention
pond,
that's
right!
Next
to
the
creek
and
along
the
property
line
in
the
mountains,.
B
D
I
can
briefly
address
her
her
comment.
There
are
there's
a
substantial
air
flood
plain
behind
the
rear,
lots
that
are
proposed
along
the
east
side
of
the
site
right
there
and
you
can
see
there's
a
substantial
distance
between
that's,
not.
D
J
J
K
J
D
If
that's
the
case,
I
mean
we
wouldn't
even
know,
allow
development
to
occur
where
there's
a
spring
in
the
city
that
has
to
be
protected
with
a
75-foot
impervious
buffer
I'm,
not
aware
that
that's
a
spring
head
I,
don't
have
any
data
to
tell
me
that
the
spring
fed
Pond
it
was
an
Old,
Farm,
Pond
I
know
it
was
a
long
time
ago.
I
don't
have
any
data
to
tell
me
that's
a
spring
fed
pond
I
can
research
that
further
and
see
where
we
go
from
there.
D
J
Mean
I,
I
love
lived
there
and
I've
been
I
know
since
they
bought
it.
I've
walked
all
over
where
it
it
backs
up
to
me
and
my
neighbor's
property.
Well,
my
neighbors
really
but
and
I.
My
kids
all
have
been
all
over
that
pond
and
everything
and
I
haven't
seen
anybody
do
any
work
over
there.
So
I
don't
know,
I
think
that
they
I
think
that
whoever
looked
at
it
just
assumed
it's
literally
a
wet
weather
pond.
It's
not.
It's
continually
filled
with
water.
B
A
Mr
chairman,
with
all
due
respect,
this
is
this:
ponds
was
driving
when
we
bought
the
property
so
and
it
has
been
vetted.
The
property's
been
through
of
environmental
tests,
wet
Wetlands
test
and
all
the
wetlands
were
identified
every
all
the
wetlands
are
along
the
creek,
the
property
line
at
the
south
of
the
properties.
There's
no
wetlands
in
that
area.
Everything
runs
from
James
Huff
Road
down
to
the
creek.
The
creek
runs,
as
you
can
see
away
from
James
Huff
Road
at
the
South
property
line.
A
D
G
G
They
were
to
be
ranch,
style
and
2
000
square
feet
for
a
two-story,
so
you
had
different
differentiation,
which
we
were
okay
with,
that
all
homes
will
have
two-car
garages,
there
will
be
no
vinyl
siding
allowed
and
the
front
elevations
will
include
brick,
stone
or
stucco,
and
it
was
stated
that
the
density
of
2.65
for
the
project
and
100
of
the
homes
will
have
like
I,
said
two-car
garages.
The
new
proposal
that
is
stated
says
1500
square
feet
for
both
one
story
and
two-story
homes.
G
You
will
have
four
units
per
acre
and
it
does
not
mention
garages.
The
architectural
requirements
include
a
mix
of
stone,
brick
and
fiber.
Cement,
siding
and
it
says,
vinyl
siding
shall
be
prohibited,
will
will
be
prohibited.
Home
Styles
will
be
Craftsman
farm
farm
houses
or
traditional
in
compliance
with
the
9.10.1
of
the
City
Zoning
order,
ordinance
on
page
65
of
your
ordinance
manual.
It
says
all
dwelling
shall
be
constructed
and
it
will
have
cement
based
and
vinyl
and
Lumen
siding
is
prohibited
in
those,
so
it
should
not
be
on
there
at
all.
G
The
Builder's
proposal
does
not
incl.
It's
not
really.
In
accordance
with
your
see
the
ordinance
on
page
58
of
your
requirements
on
650.5
C
an
explanation
of
why
the
proposed
development
standards
are
necessary
if
the
proposed
standards
vary
from
existing
standards
in
the
ordinance
so
they're
requesting
to
change
it.
After
checking
the
statement
on
page
29
number
one
of
the
staff
rezone
report
under
staff
analysis,
the
basis
for
this
rezone
request
is
to
comply
with
the
requirement
to
rezone
all
new
single-family
residential
development
to
a
planned
District.
G
As
stated
on
page
57,
section
650.1
of
your
city,
Monroe,
zoning
and
ordinance
manual
to
encourage
creative
site
design
is
what
it
states
to
conserve
energy
through
efficient
building
and
clustering.
That's
the
only
reason
they
want
to
change.
It
is
to
get
more
homes
in
there.
This
is
not
something
that
is
required,
but
as
the
city
of
Monroe
States,
it's
a
flexible
zoning
technique,
page
58,
section
650.5
number
Eve
the
traffic
report.
According
to
the
staff
analysis
on
page
29
number,
four,
a
traffic
study
was
not
submitted
with
this
rezone
request.
G
The
reason
stated
was
because
only
250
feet
of
Frontage
on
James
Huff
Road
belongs
to
the
city.
The
remainder
belongs
under
the
authority
of
Walton
County.
According
to
page
58
of
your
zoning
ordinance
section
650.5
number
e.
The
traffic
report
is
required
unless
a
more
extensive
study
is
requested
by
the
code
enforcement
officer.
This
is
not
acceptable.
G
G
If
you're
wanting
to
approve
all
these
homes,
thinking
there'll
only
be
one
car
per
one
house
and
that
they
will
only
travel
the
amp
hour
and
the
PM
peak
hour.
According
to
the
applicants,
Institute
of
Transportation
Engineers
trip
generation,
charts,
which
I
looked
that
up
because
I
didn't
know
what
that
was,
and
it's
basically
a
factor
that
they
go
by
a
chart
that
says
personal
trip.
G
All
of
these
homes
had
no
problem.
Is
it
being
passed
off
as
a
county
problem
with
the
speed
and
the
traffic?
This
is
unacceptable
and
we're
we're
all
insulted
age.
30
of
your
staff
analysis,
it
is
stated
because
the
property
is
located
at
city's.
Edge
and
access
exists
through
mostly
unincorporated
areas,
fire
and
police
response
times
to
this
development
will
be
prolonged,
which
means
it's
going
to
take
them
a
while
to
get
out
there.
G
L
Hello,
my
name
is
Amy
Perroni
and
my
property
is
directly
across
from
the
entrance
on
Old
Athens
Highway,
it's
1400,
Old,
Athens
Highway
and
on
my
property,
I
have
nine
acres
and
the
stream
runs
through
my
property,
and
there
are
about
150
Springs
that
feed
in
to
that
property
so
into
that
Creek.
So
I'm
sure
that
there
are
a
lot
on
the
other
side
as
well.
I,
too,
have
seen
that
pond
full
every
time
I've
been
back
there.
L
My
one
concern
besides
the
ones
that
have
not
already
been
addressed,
is
a
particular
tree.
That's
in
the
center
of
this
property
and
I've
spoken
with
the
Georgia
Forestry
commission
and
it
if
you're
familiar
with
the
champion
tree
program.
It
beats
the
current
champion
tree,
which
is
a
swamp
Laurel,
and
it
is
larger
than
any
other
tree
in
Georgia,
and
it's
directly
in
the
center
of
that
property
and
I
would
like
that
tree
not
to
be
cut
down.
D
I
think
we
need
to
continue
on
with
the
letting
the
opposition,
those
that
have
not
spoken
of
them,
an
opportunity
to
speak.
In
all
fairness,
this
is
not
okay,
I
continued
you're
having
a
public
hearing,
so
that
I
would
give
all
those
that
are
in
opposition
a
chance
to
speak
that
have
already,
and
those
that
have
already
spoken
have
had
their
chance.
B
M
I'm,
a
40-year
resident
of
that
area
and
what
she
miss
Bentley
has
just
spoke
about
is
all
true.
As
for
the
study
with
the
stream,
there
are
Springs
there
because
there's
a
lake
across
from
my
house,
I
live
at
946
James
off
road
tree
line
Pond
the
creek
runs
across
Gratis
Road
into
the
pond,
also
across
Highway
78..
M
M
I'm,
saying
this
because
traffic
on
this
highway
is
horrible,
it's
a
cut
through
I've
just
recently
requested
a
traffic
study.
The
last
study
they
told
us
that
cars
come
around
that
curve
at
90
miles
an
hour.
I
have
been
almost
hit
almost
three
times
pulling
out
of
the
driveway,
not
backing
out
I.
Look
to
the
left,
I
look
back
to
the
right
when
I
look
to
the
left,
nothing's
coming
when
I
pull
out,
here's
a
car
or
a
truck
density.
M
M
If
I
wanted
to
live
in
the
city,
I
would
have
moved
into
the
city
of
Monroe.
I
am
a
part
of
this
city,
but
I'm
a
part
of
this
County
as
an
educator
growth
on
this
side
of
Walton
County
has
been
slow,
particularly
on
the
east
side.
I,
don't
mind,
but
let's
do
it
decent
in
order,
please,
we
see
what's
happening
with
Gwinnett
County
and
I
understand
what
you
were
saying
about
the
tax
dollars,
the
more
houses,
the
more
tax
dollars.
F
M
Because
there
is
a
graveyard,
also
behind
her
house
on
the
opposite
side
of
the
street.
Also
so
I
mean
for
those
that
are
coming
in.
Please
ask
the
people
that
have
lived
there,
because
I've
been
across
the
street
to
that
lake
with
the
beavers
and
everything,
because
that
runs
straight
across
that
property.
There
are
Springs,
and
this.
A
Chance
to
provide
yeah
if
I
could
quickly,
with
all
due
respect,
we've
had
Environmental
Studies
we've
had
Alta
surveys,
there's
been
none
of
no
Cemetery
identified.
Everything
that's
been
identified
has
already
been
addressed
with
the
with
the
application
and
proposal
that
was
turned
into
the
City
and
as
far
as
the
density,
we're
not
asking
for
any
more
houses
than
this
property
is
already
zoned.
This
is
not
a
rezone.
A
We
purchased
this
property
already
zoned
and
planted
for
129
houses
and
we're
ready
to
move
forward
with
construction
drawings,
and
the
city
has
made
some
changes
to
the
way.
The
application
and
the
approval
process
is
moves
forward
in
the
city.
So
this
is.
This
is
not
a
reason
we're
not
asking
for
any
more
houses.
This
is
exactly
what
this
property
is
currently
zoned
for
and
already
been
approved
for
we're
not
adding
any
more
Lots.
It's
the
same
number
of
lots
and
we've
agreed
to
all
the
conditions
that
were
previous
there
as
far
as
build
quality.
A
C
I
D
Do
you
remember
you're
at
I
can
clarify
that
so
I
mean
the
back
in
2006
when
this
was
first
annexed
into
the
city.
They
were
on
the
track
at
that
time.
Prior
to
the
the
crash
of
2007-2008,
they
had
pursued
the
permits
to
develop
the
property
at
that
time
with
the
city
and
they
had
a
National
Wetlands
permit
to
erase
that
Wetlands.
Basically,
they
had
credit
somewhere
else
to
eliminate
that
Wetland
and
it's
actually
listed
on
the
plan
itself.
If
I'm
not
mistaken
the
permit.
D
From
that
time,
it
may
need
to
be
updated
and
I
I
can't
sit
here
and
confidently
say
that
there's
a
spring
there
or
there
isn't
a
spring
there,
I
don't
have
that
information.
You
have
anecdotal
information
tonight,
hearing
that
that
it
is,
if
you
want
to
let
the
applicant
give
them
them
an
opportunity
to
prove
otherwise
or
verify
otherwise
to
satisfy
the
plan
commissions
decision
making.
D
B
D
D
I
B
D
D
A
D
A
Yeah,
we
just
pulled
it
up
and
it
shows
no
when
it
says
holding
water
because
I
mean
I,
want
the
property
I,
don't
know
how
they
could
be
on
our
property,
and
you
know
inspecting
our
property
at
this
time,
but
it
appears
that
there's
children
and
neighbors
that
are
trespassing,
but
we
will
be
glad
to
address
any
question
that
you
have
and
bring
it
next.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
B
D
D
D
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman.
This
is
a
preliminary
plant
request
for
the
vines
of
Monroe.
This
is
a
project
that
was
approved
by
city
council
several
years
ago
and
had
a
preliminary
plant
approved.
They
have
started
development
on
the
site
and
that
preliminary
plant
has,
since
expired,
they're
here
tonight,
to
ask
for
permission
to
get
reapproval
for
that
pulmonary
plot,
so
they
can
continue
development
of
the
property.
D
This
is
a
hundred
acres,
roughly
101
acres
and
it's
for
220
lots
and
has
two
entrances
off
of
Vine
Street
and,
as
I
previously
indicated,
this
was
approved
by
city
council
I
believe
was
back
in
21
and,
like
I
mentioned
it,
it's
previously
expired,
so
they
are
asking
for
their
permission
tonight
to
get
approval.
The
recommendation
is
approval,
as
submitted
without
any
conditions.
K
Chad
Locklear
556,
Cook,
Road,
Oxford
Georgia,
just
here
on
behalf
of
the
applicant
I,
agree
with
Mr
Callender's
assessment
and
to
move
forward.