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A
A
Let's
call
the
meeting
to
order
of
the
Planning
and
Zoning
Commission
meeting
of
June
the
20th
2023.
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A
C
D
A
Sir
old
business
I
see
no
old
business
at
the
moment
under
new
business,
we
have
item
number
one
request
for
a
conditional
use:
permit
a
residential
use
in
zoning
M1
at
533,
Plaza
Drive,
Mr
code
officer.
E
E
The
request
before
you
tonight,
though,
is
to
convert
this
to
a
residential
use.
Essentially
a
four
unit
apartment
building,
the
apartment,
building
itself
or
the
office
building
itself
was
unlawfully
converted
into
an
apartment
building
about
a
year
ago
into
four
Apartments.
This
was
done
without
permits
or
any
type
of
inquiry
with
the
city
at
all.
To
convert
this
to
a
residential
use,
the
use
was
not
discovered
until
police
activity
had
occurred
at
the
location
for
serving
of
warrants,
and
so
the
city
hadn't
wasn't
even
aware.
E
This
had
been
done,
but
in
that
case
that
prompted
the
the
need
for
there
being
a
conditional
use
request
to
be
made
to
the
city
for
this
used
to
be
allowed
and
if
you've
noted
into
my
report
and
I
won't
go
into
those
details
and
spare
the
commission
all
of
the
the
reading
of
that
report.
E
But
essentially,
this
could
create
a
harmful
president
in
the
City
by
and
somehow
influencing
others
in
the
city
to
move
forward
with
the
creation
of
apartment
buildings
without
any
apartments
or
approvals
from
the
city
itself,
and
this
is
a
photograph
of
the
existing
office
building
that
was
converted.
E
Some
doors
were
added
in
the
front
and
rear
to
accommodate
the
apartments
themselves,
but
essentially
the
you
know.
If
you've
read
the
details
in
the
staff
report,
our
recommendation
is
denial
based
on
the
grounds
for
the
fact
that
this
is
an
office
building
that
was
not
lawfully
converted
to
an
apartment
under
any
sort
of
building
permits
or
guidelines
whatsoever.
E
E
If
the
request
is
approved
by
city
council,
we
are
recommending
that
the
following
conditions
be
added
that
the
proper
enter
shall
obtain,
building
permits
and
comply
with
all
applicable
building
codes
and
life
safety
requirements.
The
building
shall
substantially
conform
to
the
number
of
veterans
and
proposed
limitations
described
in
the
applicant's
narrative,
regardless
of
any
depictions
shown
on
the
floor
plan,
including
in
this
application.
A
A
I
would
ask
if,
if
there
was
someone
present
to
speak
for
this
request,.
F
That
being
said,
obviously
I
believe
a
few
things
that
that
bear
explanation.
F
F
In
the
first
place
he
was
looking
for
a
place
to
have
a
local
church
building
and
he
came
across
this
location
now
this
location,
interestingly
enough,
when
he
arrived,
there
was
at
one
time
an
ambulance
dispatch
company
from
from
what
I
understand,
and
it
was
already
set
up
with
some
residential
area
in
there
for
people
to
spend
the
night
there
and
to
cook
and
to
and
to
stay
in
there,
and
in
fact
again
this
is
not
a
rezoning.
This
is
a
request
for
conditional
use.
Permit
residential
is
an
allowed
use
or
permitted
use.
F
If
you
turn
to
the
the
second
page,
it
gives
you
a
good
overview
of
the
property.
I.
Think
you've
probably
seen
this
in
some
of
the
materials
that
that
staff
has
provided
to
you,
but
what's
important
to
notice
is
there
is
a
considerable
amount
of
Residential
Properties
in
that
area
already,
and
in
fact,
if
you
turn
to
the
next
page,
which
is
an
overhead
view,
you
will
see
that
there
is
a
large
apartment,
complex
adjacent
to
this
property
on
its
Southern
border
and
that
there
also
are
apartment
complexes.
F
Both
I
call
it
across
the
street.
Technically,
it's
south
east
of
the
property.
Well,
there's
another
apartment
complex
there
and
you
can
just
see
from
the
overview
all
the
residential
properties
that
are
actually
in
closer
proximity,
with
the
exception
of
the
one
or
two.
Maybe
industrial
use
is
actually
going
on
in
that
area.
The
next
page
you
have
already
that's
the
that's
the
site
plan
that
shows
how
this
property
is
situated,
but
I
would
like
to
put
your
attention
on
the
next
page,
which
is
the
floor
plan.
F
Mr
calender
showed
you
a
copy
of
a
moment
ago.
It's
the
one
that
that
looks
like
this
and
what's
important,
is
first
of
all.
Mr
counter
is
absolutely
right
in
his
report
that,
as
it
currently
stands,
that
property
does
not
meet
Life
Safety
codes.
That
is
absolutely
correct,
and
that's
why
my
client
has
absolutely
worked
and
got
people
out
of
there
and
there's
been
anything,
but
all
cooperation
by
my
client
and
I
think
the
dates
are
a
little
bit
off.
F
It
looks
like
the
complaint
from
code
enforcement
came
through
in
March
of
2022
and
I
have
paperwork
that
appears
that
Mr
tandrian,
as
as
early
as
later
in
that
month
of
March,
made
his
first
attempt
to
himself
apply
for
the
conditional
use
permit.
That's
how
I
got
involved
was
his
first
attempt
in
March
of
trying
to
apply
for
this
experiment.
He
was
not
able
to
to
follow
all
the
guidelines
and
the
requests
that
the
application
required
and
that's
how
I
got
brought
in
now.
F
I
will
tell
you
just
to
give
you
the
quick
story
of
of
how
that
issue
happened.
Mr
Tangerine,
initially
was
going
to
use
this
property
as
a
church
when
he
got
there.
It
was
already-
and
this
is
in
March
of
2022.
It
was
already
equipped
with
four
kitchens,
multiple
bathrooms
and
all,
but
set
up
as
it
is
now.
The
top
floor
was
completely
as
I
understand
as
it
is
now.
F
The
bottom
floor
was
already
plumbed
with
Appliances
kitchen
appliances
and
toilets,
and
in
support
of
some
of
that,
the
next
page
you'll
see
is
a
Zillow
listing,
and
in
that
Zillow
listing
you
will
notice.
The
price
history
shows
225.20
listed
for
rent
and
228
listing
listing
removed,
and
that's
when
the
photographs,
obviously
that's
the
only
listing
on
here
they
were
posted.
That
is
two
years
before
my
client
bought
the
property.
This
is
when
there
was
a
person,
the
seller
still
owned
the
property.
So
certainly
this
was
set
up
as
a
residential
property.
F
At
least
we
can
show
you
the
top
floor.
Was
they
listed
it
as
two
bedrooms,
one
and
a
half
baths
at
that
time?
But
again,
the
bottom
floor
was
already
finished
in
now
in
full
Candor
the
bottom
floor
and
we're
not
sure
if
anyone
had
actually
ever
lived
in
there
or
not,
but
it
did
have
considerable
damage
and
Mr
Tangerine
did
repair
all
of
that
damage.
There
was
some
painting
some
drywall
work.
Those
type
of
things
did
those
require
a
permit
possibly,
but
that
is
the
only
work
that
my
client
did.
F
That
was
done
in
violation
of
any
permits.
Now
again,
certainly
the
way
is
laid
out
right
now,
there's
got
to
be
some
changes
made
to
it
and
we're
gonna
and
we'll
come
back
and
address
those
in
in
just
a
minute.
But
those
were
not
things
that
my
client
thumbed
his
nose
at
in
any
event
in
March
of
2022,
while
he
was
getting
the
place
fixed
up,
cleaned
up,
a
woman
approached
him
and
asked
if
any
of
those
rooms
were
for
rent
and
because
of
what
he
does
with
his
church
and
the
mission
that
they
serve.
F
He
felt
the
need
he
felt
a
calling
that
that
was
what
he
was
supposed
to
do
with
this
property
and
not
long
after
that.
Another
lady
approached
him
and
this
woman
said
she
didn't
have
any
money
to
pay
for
a
place
to
live
now.
Interestingly
enough,
that
woman
is
the
one
whose
relative
ended
up
having
the
warrants
and
caused
the
police
to
come
come
to
the
scene.
Of
course,
she
was
asked
to
to
leave
immediately
by
by
Mr.
Tantrian
is
my
understanding
after
that
happened.
F
Nonetheless,
after
I
got
involved,
I
spoke
to
Mr
calender
worked
with
code
enforcement.
We
did
get
everyone
out
of
out
of
that
property
and
and
move
forward
with
this
very
quickly.
With
this
move
to
get
the
property
into
conditional
use.
Now,
I
do
note.
F
Mr
calender
mentioned
at
one
point
in
there
the
LLC,
which
I
referenced
in
the
in
the
application
packet
in
letter
of
intent,
and
quite
simply
that
LLC
is
what
holds
the
real
estate
in
that
property,
and
that
was
an
instruction
I
give
to
all
my
clients
that
that
buy
real
estate.
Unless
it's
your
own
home
that
you're
going
to
be
living
in
most
likely,
you
need
an
LLC
to
hold
your
property
in
for
liability
purposes.
So
that
is
why
that
got
put
into
a
separate
LLC
right
about
the
same
time.
F
Mi
got
involved
now,
no
doubt
that
that's
eventually
going
to
go
into
a
non-profit,
but
as
we're
pressed
for
time
at
a
time
trying
to
get
things
right,
be
formed
it
as
an
LLC
which,
technically
in
Georgia
automatically,
is
going
to
be
a
for-profit
Enterprise.
But,
as
you
can
imagine
renting
out
to
the
people,
he
had
ran
it
to
at
the
prices
that
he
was
allowing
them
to
pay.
There
was
no
profit
being
made.
F
This
was
an
act
in
the
church
going
through
and
I,
don't
want
to
I,
don't
want
to
belabor
too
much
you'll
see
photographs
from
the
inside
of
all
four
of
these
living
quarters,
and
you
will
see
that
indeed,
this
is
not
a
slum
or
tenement
situation.
These
are
very
well
appointed
and
nice
living
quarters
and
I
know
we're
going
backwards.
But
on
the
floor
plan
you
will
see
where
my
client
has
proposed
Windows
to
be
added.
There
are
a
couple
locations
there.
You
will
see
that
the
show
proposed
Windows.
F
Obviously
any
bedroom
has
to
have
a
window
and
Mr
calender
did
make
a
note
in
his
staff
report
as
well,
that
there
are
still
areas
that
previously
were
listed
as
bedrooms
that
are
just
now
rooms
in
there.
We
certainly
will
work
with
the
worth
Code,
Compliance
and
City,
permitting
to
remove
any
walls
or
anything
to
make
sure
there's
no
issue
with
there
being
bedrooms
that
don't
have
egress
in
them.
F
F
Now,
if
you
go
past
the
page
with
the
fence
that
says
Apartments
next
door,
you'll
see
the
first
one
I
took
that
says:
March
20,
Apartments
next
door,
March
2022
and
you'll
notice,
there's
garbage
just
laying
in
the
front
of
that
property.
Okay,
that
happens
the
next
page,
and
this
is
a
Google
Earth,
shot
from
June
2023,
again
there's
garbage
and
then
the
next
page
was
taken
last
night,
which
shows
different
garbage
and
again,
there's
garbage
Lane
out
front.
F
You
don't
see
any
of
that
I
know
there
may
have
in
the
past,
been
some
issues
with
garbage
at
that
at
my
clients,
location,
but
that's
been
cleaned
up,
but
the
point
being
is
you
know
there
are
things
that
happen
on
these
properties
that
can
be
rectified
and
I.
Don't
I'm
hopeful
that
this
commission
won't
hold
those
against
my
clients.
F
Absolutely
the
properties
as
they
were
being
operated
were
not
up
to
Life
Safety
codes,
but
that
was
not
because
my
client
tried
to
thumb
his
nose
and
it's
certainly
not
because
my
client
built
these
with
the
intention
of
thumbing
his
nose.
He
thought
he
was
doing
the
right
thing.
I'll
tell
you
a
little
bit
about
his
church
and
it's
important
to
know
why
he
does
this.
They
have
120
members
who
mainly
serve
the
Hindu
indo-caribbean
community.
They
have
a
belief
that
volunteer
service
to
the
community.
F
The
community
is
an
appreciation
to
the
Lord
and
because
of
that
they
do
a
lot
of
community
service.
That's
what
my
client
does
in
a
lot
of
his
off
time,
and
that
includes
things
like
they
make
breakfast
for
Community
for
all
community
members.
They
do
different
community
service.
They
pick
kids
up
from
school
that
don't
have
rides.
They
take
children
to
the
doctors,
to
the
health
department
that
don't
have
insurance
and
they
provide
those
needs
and.
F
I
think
I've
covered
everything
really
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions
at
this
point
in
time,
but
that
kind
of
hopefully
sets
up
a
little
bit
more
about.
Why
we're
here
tonight
and
what
my
client
really
wants
to
do
with
this
property
and
again
we
have
all
these
people
from
his
church
they're
supportive
of
the
mission.
The
idea
is
that
he
will
allow
his
property
that
he
owns
to
be
used
by
the
church
to
help
people
get
back
on
their
feet.
The
church
will
do
the
things
I
just
talked
about:
they
will
Mentor
them.
F
F
C
I've
got
one:
have
you
or
your
client
considered
the
possibility
of
applying
for
rezoning
versus
a
conditional
use.
F
We
have
not,
and
I
actually
I,
had
the
conversation
to
some
degree
with
Mr
calender
I.
Don't
believe
that
probably
the
the
staff
would
be
supportive
of
a
rezone
to
residential
and
miscounter
can
speak
for
himself,
of
course,
but
based
on
that
location,
I,
don't
think
we
would
be
as
successful
again
since
residential
is
a
permitted
use
with
a
conditional
use
permit.
It
simply
makes
more
sense
to
to
try
to
put
this
through
as
a
conditional
use
permit
again.
F
It
does
a
but
a
an
apartment
complex
on
one
side
already,
but
it
would
provide
a
buffer
in
so
much
it's
a
smaller
use
than
a
full
apartment,
complex
as
it
transitions
to
to
the
the
M1
area
on
the
other
side
as
well.
So
we
believe
it
actually
would
be
appropriate
under
the
current
zoning
guidelines.
I
understand
that
probably
there's
going
to
be
a
request
to
modify
your
Udo
at
some
point
to
remove
that.
F
F
F
H
A
Aye
unanimous,
the
motion
is
denied
item
number
item
number
two
is
a
request
for
a
rezone
from
R2
to
r1a
at
408
Knight,
Street,
Mr
code
officer.
E
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
I,
believe
I
have
my
slides
are
out
of
order,
I
apologize
about
that.
So
I've
got
the
reason
here
for
you
at
408,
Knight
Street,
it's
a
pretty
basic
rezone
request
from
R2
to
r1a.
Just
like
most
of
the
core
of
the
city.
The
mystery
is
their
single
family,
property,
zoned,
R1,
R2
I,
couldn't
tell
you
why
been
zoned
R2
since
the
city
adopted
zoning
in
1972.,
but
the
single
family
use
of
those
properties
prohibits
them
from
being
so
divided
further
under
their
R2.
E
A
H
A
C
D
A
E
You
Mr
chairman:
this
is
a
pretty
straightforward,
COA
request
for
your
court
or
design
overlay
District.
There's
an
existing
parking
lot
at
506,
South
Broad
in
front
of
the
office
building
there
applicants
requesting
to
modify
that
parking
actually
to
improve
it,
they're,
basically
inverting
the
parking
now
from
being
on
the
outer
rim
of
the
circular
part
of
the
parking
design
and
actually
putting
the
parking
spaces
on
the
interior.
E
I
Hey
Wes
Peters,
with
81
Investment
Company,
just
representing
the
entity
that
owns
the
property
and
just
as
Brad
said,
we
are
basically
just
trying
to
improve
to
it's
really
cumbersome
to
get
in
and
out
of
that
parking
lot
currently.
So
this
will
just
include
a
roundabout
there,
as
you
see,
and
just
be
much
more
efficient.
I
C
D
E
E
Unfortunately,
that
preliminary
Planet
expired
so
they're
back
before
plenty
commission
to
get
their
reapproval
for
this
to
reactivate
the
development
and
to
move
forward
with
with
planning
in
the
future,
and
it's
pretty
straightforward
if
you're
not
familiar
with
this
one,
this
one's
seven,
Town,
Homes,
four
fronting
on
South,
Madison,
Avenue
and
four
excuse
me
three
other
units
running
on
millage
Avenue
and
their
access
from
parking
behind
the
units
and
it's
pretty
straightforward,
recommending
approval
as
submitted
no
Corrections
required.
B
B
E
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
this.
This
is
for
a
commercial
subdivision.
It's
located
on
the
northwest
corner
of
Charlotte
rile
Boulevard
and
State
Route
11..
It's
part
of
a
a
previously
subdivided
property.
That's
coming
off
Saratoga!
As
you
can
see,
there
are
lots,
they're
kind
of
grouped
up
along
the
corner
of
of
11
and
Charlotte
Rowell
Boulevard,
and
this
includes
a
property
to
the
West
that
exists
now
currently
as
a
platted
track.
C
E
J
Years
ago
and
Paul
Rosenthal
and
I
basically
work
through.
If
you
remember,
the
old
Double,
Springs
Road
came
in
at
a
45
degree
angle
and
basically,
what
we
did
was
realign
that
property
to
make
it
useful.
We
put
in
the
new
road
recently
realigned
water
lines,
so
it's
pretty
much
teed
up
now
for
future
end
users.
So
that's
the
basics
of
it.
C
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you
asking
if
it
was
anyone,
president
to
speak
in
opposition
to
this
request,
seeing
none
that
will
entertain
a
motion.
B
B
B
A
D
E
Sir
Mr
chairman
I
am
going
to
spare
you
the
expense
of
reading
all
of
the
proposed
amendment,
but
it
is
necessary
due
to
House
Bill
1405
that
was
approved
last
year
goes
into
effect
July
1st
this
year.
These
amendments
are
necessary
to
comply
with
that
house
bill
which
essentially
changes
the
rules
for
quasi-judicial
authorities.
In
this
case,
this
Planning
Commission
acts
as
our
only
quasi-judicial
Authority.
E
That
makes
zoning
decisions
for
your
Corridor
design
overlay
and
so
the
Amendments
before
you
tonight,
I
don't
have
them
laid
out
on
the
screen,
so
I
just
summarized
them
on
the
screen
behind
you.
We're
modifying
the
procedures
in
643
for
the
zoning
ordinance
that
deals
with
compliance
with
those
with
the
house
bill
1405.
This
will
Shore
up
the
the
CDO
requirements
for
that
compliance,
and
then
we
are
modifying
the
procedures
in
section
1440.1.
E
This
is
regarding
your
published
notices
for
your
Corridor
design,
commission,
which
is
the
Planning
Commission,
we're
Shoring
that
up
with
the
the
language
to
comply
with
1405
and
lastly,
there
are
public
hearing
procedures
and
appeal
procedures
that
we
are
adding
in
section
1440
we're
adding
an
entire
section
1446
to
the
zoning
orders
to
deal
with
that
I'll
spare
the
Commission
in
reading
all
of
the
proposed
amendment
moments,
but
these
are
these
were
prepared
in
order
to
get
the
city
in
compliance
with
the
the
house
bill
that
passed
last
year.
E
It's
a
little
wonky
I
have
my
own
complaints
about
this
house
bill,
but
I'll
spare
this
commission
those
complaints,
but
this
is
to
essentially
anything
that's
being
made
outside
the
city.
Council's
purview
has
to
comply
with
these
requirements,
which
extends
actually
the
public
notification
and
the
public,
the
the
public
notification
requirements,
and
it
creates
new
avenues
for
Appeals
for
bodies
such
as
Planning
Commission
that
make
decisions.
I
think
that
I
think
that
put
in
a
nutshell,
Donnie.
You
can
tell
me
if
I'm
wrong
or
not
no.
E
Good,
but
that's
that's
pretty
much
it.
The
recommendation
obviously
is
approval
for
these
amendments
to
to
get
the
ordinance
in
compliance.
A
So
it's
up
to
us
to
approve.
E
E
and
so
that
that
could
end
up
being
challenges
to
the
city
in
the
future
and
I'm
Donnie
can
expand
on
this
if
he'd
like,
but
I
would
think
if
we
don't
comply
with
those
amendments
under
1405.
If
we're
ever
challenged
in
our
zoning
ordinance,
this
would
be
part
of
the
onion
that
would
get
peeled
away.
That
would
not
that
could
render
our
ordinance
completely.
G
The
only
thing
I
can
say
is
I
look
at
this
30
years
ago.
If
we'd
have
had
these
we'd
have
been
a
lot
happier
today,
but
oh
here
we
are
so
I'm
glad
to
be
where
we
are
today.