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A
B
D
October,
the
18th
2022.,
a
roll
call,
everyone
is
present
and
we
will
welcome
Shawna
Mathias,
who
is
our
newest
member.
D
D
You
know
the
old
members
are
present
at
this
time.
We
would
ask
for
the
approval
of
the
agenda.
A
motion
to
approve
the
agenda
moved
second
move
in
a
second
all
in
favor,
say
aye,
aye,
aye,
all
opposed
the
agenda
is
approved.
D
Oh
okay,
thank
you
minutes
from
the
previous
meeting,
which
was
September.
The
20th
2022,
as
everybody
had
a
chance
to
look
over
the
minutes
of
the
previous
meeting.
B
D
B
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman,
the
subject
property.
This
is
517
Hills
trading
center,
big
aerial
photograph.
Here
on
the
screen.
This
is
an
existing
Daycare
Center,
building
its
own
professional,
been
there
since
1977
developed
as
a
daycare
center
back
then
was
operated
a
short
time
recently
as
an
adult
care
center.
And
then
the
owner
seized
operations
in
2019,
building
off
floor
areas,
2500
square
feet
and
it's
got
existing
parking
of
13
spaces.
B
They
have
two
entrances
off:
Hill
Street
the
employees
for
the
proposed
conditional
use
in
front
of
the
planet
commission
includes
two
to
ten
employees
on
their
staff.
Their
hours
of
operation
will
be
6
a.m,
to
7,
P.M,
daily
and
they're,
proposing
to
have
anywhere
from
between
70
and
80
children
under
their
care.
B
Just
briefly,
the
history
of
this
property
that
you
know
it
was
used
as
a
Derek
daycare
center
for
a
number
of
years
done
professionally,
but
the
ceasing
of
operations
of
that
use
in
2019
has
caused
the
the
previous
non-conforming
continuation
of
the
property,
the
grandfathering,
if
you
will
to
that
that
expired
after
a
period
of
six
months,
according
to
your
zoning
ordinance.
So
the
reason
for
this
request
is
to
basically
renew
that
conditional
use
of
this
property.
For
that
purpose.
A
E
And
I
am
part
of
her
team.
My
name
is
Sharon
McDonald
I
live
in
Ellenwood
Georgia,
60,
Key,
Road,
Ellenwood
Georgia,
like
I,
say
I'm
just
here
for
support
for
her
and
from
understanding.
E
We
agree
with
everything
that
Mr
the
code
officer
said,
but
there
is
no
daycare
in
that
area
and
I
think
we'll
be
very
beneficial
to
the
community
and
we
and
the
community
can
be
beneficial
to
us.
Thank
you.
A
C
F
Yes,
my
name
is
Virginia
Crawford
and
I
live
on
Roosevelt
Street,
the
same
street
that
intersect
with
Hill
Street
and
down
the
street
from
now
just
past
that
intersection
and
what
my
concern
was
or
is,
or
our
concern
in
the
communities
with
with
traffic.
F
Would
there
be
a
problem
there
with
our
traffic
in
that
area
and
what
does
conditional
mean.
B
I'm
happy
to
answer
that
question.
The
conditional
part
of
this
use
the
reason
like
the
reason
they're
here
before
the
Planning
Commission
this
evening.
A
conditional
use
is
not
one
that's
allowed
by
right.
So
there's
two
types
of
land
uses
in
a
zoning
District
conditional
or
Allowed
by
right.
If
it
were
allowed
by
Riot,
there
wouldn't
be
a
public
hearing,
they
would
be
able
to
just
operate
but
because
of
certain
types
of
land
uses
like
a
daycare
center,
a
church
or
other
things
like
that,
that
aren't
I
guess
typical
land
uses
within
certain
districts.
B
They
require
a
elevated
level
of
approval
by
the
city,
in
this
case,
a
daycare
center
in
the
middle
of
a
neighborhood
on
a
property.
Zone
professional
is
a
conditional
use.
Okay,
in
fact,
they're
conditional
uses
throughout
the
city.
So
really
anyone
that
opens
a
daycare
in
the
city
of
Monroe
has
to
come
in
front
of
the
Planning
Commission
and
city
council
for
our
conditional
use
approval
if
it's
Zone
B3
like
if
this
were
on
Broad
Street,
you
wouldn't
see
a
request
like
this,
so
but
you
had
another
concern,
I
think
for
the
clinic.
F
Actually,
traffic
congestions
and
that
sort
of
thing
and
I
do
know
and
I've
been
there
since
77
when
the
daycare
was
there,
but
there
have
the
traffic
and
the
way
the
street
is
is
laid
out,
houses
or
or
positioned
like
just
before
you
get
to
Hill
Street,
there's
a
deep
curve
that
and
on
that
street
Roosevelt
Street
is
not
that
long.
There
are
two
beat
mops,
so
we
have,
and
in
that
curve
the
there's
a
house
that
there's
a
couple
houses
right
there,
no
parking
space.
F
So
if
something
happens,
if
any
activities
going
on
in
those
homes,
there's
there's
parking
on
the
street
and
the
curve
is
very
sharp.
So
you
got
a
one-way
entrance
or
Exeter.
However,
in
that
little
space
and
there's
a
blind
spot
that
I'm
I'm
kind
of
pleasantly
surprised
that
somebody
hadn't
had
a
a
head-on
collision
in
that
area.
So
my
concern
is
the
increase
of
traffic
flow
in
that
in
our
area.
D
Yes,
let's
ask
questions
from
the
commission.
C
B
E
There
is
parking
there
on
the
property,
I
think
it's
about.
Yes,
both
it's
probably
about
what
10
parking
spaces,
so
it's
nobody's
going
to
be
parking
on
the
street
or
anything
I.
C
D
Any
other
questions.
Thank
you.
E
D
I
sort
of
got
ahead
of
myself
is
there
anyone
else
to
speak
in
opposition
for,
for
this
request,.
D
A
second
all
in
favor,
say
aye
aye
aye
all
opposed.
The
motion
is
passed.
D
B
B
They
are
proposing
to
develop
their
site
for
their
YMCA
and
they've
included
substantial
details
in
their
application,
including
a
pattern
book
that
outlines
the
full
details
of
the
development
of
the
site
and
I'm
just
going
to
try
to
hit
some
highlights
of
that
submittal,
so
they're
proposing
to
access
the
site
from
The
Double
Springs,
Church,
Road
connector,
with
one
entrance
into
the
site
into
their
parking
and
access
Drive
areas,
they're
proposing
to
have
a
building
basically
centrally
located
on
the
property.
B
And
then
you
can
see
there's
the
various
ball
fields.
You
have
your
various
soccer
fields,
indoor
lacrosse
Pavilion
and
other
ancillary
uses
on
the
site,
including
an
archery
range
on
the
property.
I've
outlined
the
specific
details
in
the
staff
report.
I
don't
want
to
spend
too
much
time
reading
all
those
individual
statistics,
but
just
to
hit
some
of
those
highlights.
B
So
the
the
proposed
primary
building
is
44
375
square
feet.
They
are
proposing,
in
their
plan
District
to
be
to
have
a
maximum
Building
height
of
35
feet
of
the
building
facade.
The
main
building
that's
proposed
has
a
combination
of
brick
and
gray
and
dark
or
excuse
me
dark
gray
and
black
architectural
Metals.
Total
parking
on
the
side,
including
the
archery
range,
is
288
parking
spaces
and,
as
I
was
describing
on
that
plan,
they
have.
B
You
know
various
ancillary
buildings
that
would
be
associated
with
those
outdoor
uses,
we're
talking
about
a
field
house
here
in
the
center
and
then
you've
got
some
future
other
buildings
proposed
in
the
future.
Our
future
Footprints
of
them
are
showing
this
plan.
They
aren't
proposed
to
be
developed
at
this
time,
but
they
would
be
allowed
to
do
so
at
some
point
in
the
future,
after
they've
after
they've
been
rezoned
and
developed,
I
believe
I've
hit.
B
As
an
attractive,
looking
building
very
modern
and
they're
trying
to
emulate
the
Walton
Mill
look,
so
we
we've
taken
a
look
at
the
request
and
made
a
recommendation
of
four
conditions.
I
can
read
those
or
we
could
just
let
those
stand
as
presented,
but
the
first
one
was
the
only
land
use
permitted
on
the
site
will
be
the
community
recreation
center
and
it's
accessory
and
answer
uses
we're
recommending
the
facilities
I'm
constructed
on
the
site
be
constructed,
as
described
in
the
request,
and
all
future
expansions
of
facility
shall
also
be
constructed
in,
like
form.
B
We're
also
suggesting
that
a
center
to
left
turn
lane
be
constructed
on
Double
Springs,
Church
Road
for
Northbound
left
turn
movements
into
the
site
and
all
Lighting
on
the
site
should
be
downward.
Facing
I
didn't
mention
this
when
I
described
their
fields
but
their
their
ball
fields
will
be
illuminated
and
so
we're
recommending
that
those
be
downward
facing
and
shielded
to
prevent
glaring
off-site
trespass.
D
Good,
thank
you.
It
looks
really
good.
I
would
ask
at
this
time
if
it
was
anybody,
one
president,
to
speak,
and
for
this
request.
A
G
This
is
the
existing
zoning
and
you
can
see
that
the
property
is
surrounded
by
other
B3
R1
uses.
So
it
is
a
good
fit
with
the
the
PCD
zoning.
The
Monroe
Pavilion
is
also
a
PCD
zoning,
so
we're
consistent
with
the
trend
of
development.
G
In
this
area
and
I
think
this
facility
would
be
a
great
fit
there
on
the
site
plan,
as
Brad
went
over,
we've
got
a
number
of
primary
uses
allotted
on
the
development
plan,
which
was
in
more
more
visible,
I
guess
in
your
application
than
maybe
on
the
screen,
but
the
main
elements
include
soccer
fields,
box,
acrosse,
Pavilion,
archery
range,
tennis,
pickleball
courts,
playground,
Field,
House,
a
walking
trail,
a
future
outdoor
pool
and,
most
importantly,
the
main
activity.
Building
again
the
structures
proposed.
There's
four,
the
main
activity
building
is
about
44
000
square
feet.
G
Box
across
is
an
open
air
Pavilion
that
might
be
kind
of
a
new
term
to
you.
But
this
is
a
kind
of
a
trending
new
sport
in
our
area,
the
archery
Pavilion
will
be
designed
and
funded
by
the
Georgia
Department
of
Natural
Resources
as
a
project
that
they're
sponsoring
be
about
1200
square
feet
and
then
there'll
be
a
future
field
house
to
support
the
the
outdoor
recreation
equipment
uses
and
here's.
G
Some
representative,
renderings
of
the
interior
of
the
main
facility
building
you'll,
see
the
the
kind
of
hallway
entry
area,
the
two-story
gym
for
basketball
and
the
indoor
walking
path
and
then,
of
course,
the
competitive
swimming
pool
which
we
all
might
be
the
most
excited
about.
Here's
the
footprint
of
that
main
facility
building-
and
you
can
see
you
know,
there's
you
know
eight
16
different
uses
shown
and
again
the
highlights
are
the
the
competitive
swimming
pool,
the
basketball
court.
G
The
site
plan
will
comply
with
all
state
and
local
required
buffers.
The
end
result
of
that
is
that
there's
a
75-foot
undisturbed
buffer
between
the
property
line
and
where
the
development
will
start,
and
that
will
be
heavily
wooded,
so
any
adjacent
properties
will
be
well
protected
and
the
stream
that
runs
along
the
Northwest
and
south
side
of
the
property
will
also
be
very
well
protected.
G
The
setbacks
on
the
plan
are
are
large.
The
setback
from
Charlotte
Rouse
about
285
feet
and
the
setback
from
Drake
Drive
is
323
feet.
This
is
a
deviation
from
the
overlay
that
applies
to
this
project,
and
this
is
why
we
were
here
before
you
tonight,
because
the
planned
commercial
District
allows
us
to
build
these
additional
setbacks
versus
the
75
foot.
Maximum
required
under
the
overlay
district
and
I
will
get
I'll
get
a
little
more
into
that
later
in
my
presentation,
but
this
is
a
visual
of
the
actual
setbacks.
G
We're
requesting
the
lot
coverage
in
a
very
low
density
on
this
lot.
82
percent
is
per
via
surface
and
only
18
percent
impervious
with
buildings.
Only
representing
about
five
percent
of
that
the
design,
as
Brad
mentioned,
the
the
design,
is
based
off
of
inspiration
from
the
Monroe
Mills
and
that's
with
you
know,
brick
metal,
accents
large
rectangular,
Windows
flat
roofs.
You
can
see
you
know
the
Monroe
Mill
pictures
here
to
the
to
the
bottom
of
the
screen
and
in
our
design
to
the
top.
How
we're?
G
Echoing
those
you
know,
historic
designs
within
the
main
building
facility-
and
here
again
are
just
the
materials
that
we're
proposing
to
use
the
brick,
the
architectural
form
metal
wall
panels,
which
is
a
significant
upgrade.
It's
not
your
typical.
You
know
metal
storage
building
at
all.
This
is
a
very
nice
sturdy
material
with
the
beautiful
black
metal
framed
windows
and
some
awning
features
to
go
with
that.
G
G
Not
your
typical
YMCA
I
will
say
the
lighting,
as
Brad
mentioned,
we're
happy
to
comply
with
downward
facing
lighting.
These
are
the
proposed
lights
for
the
parking
and
the
ground
area,
and
again
those
will
comply
with
all
ordinance
requirements
being
only
20
feet
high
and
then
also
the
maximum
intensities
will
comply
with
your
ordinance
on
that
as
well.
G
The
lighting
on
the
fields
will
also
be
shielded
and
downward
facing.
We
will
have
nighttime
activities,
but
we
don't
want
our
neighbors
to
to
feel
the
effects
of
that.
So
we're
happy
to
comply
with
that
condition
on
the
sporting
fields,
for
the
outdoor
lighting
signage,
again
we're
complying
with
all
the
ordinance
requirements.
G
We
anticipate
a
site,
a
sign
on
the
building
and
then
also
a
ground
sign
at
the
entrance
area,
fencing
again
complying
and
exceeding
the
ordinance
on
the
playground,
we'll
have
the
pre-finished
or
mental
steel
fencing
and
then
the
black
coated
chain
link
fencing
on
the
tennis,
pickleball
courts
and
then
on
the
detention.
Pond
areas,
utilities
we're
wanting
to
work
with
the
city
of
Monroe
to
use
all
of
their
available
utilities
and
we'll
be
working
with
them
in
a
development
agreement
to
ensure
that
occurs.
G
Landscaping
plan,
we
included
a
very
thorough
Landscaping
plan
in
the
application,
as
required.
The
main
Landscaping
is
within
the
parking
lot
areas
where
crape
myrtles
will
be
planted
for
shade
and
visual
interest
and
then
a
25-foot
buffer
along
the
roads.
Multiple
primarily
include
Oaks,
Holly
and
Elm
trees.
G
At
all
times,
the
YMCA
of
Georgia's
Piedmont
intends
to
own
and
operate
the
site.
So
this
will
not
be
a
third
party.
This
will
be
directly
owned
and
managed
by
the
YMCA
and
know,
and
the
anterior
roads
will
not
be
dedicated
to
the
city.
Those
will
be
maintained
within
the
site,
I
mentioned
before
about
the
setback
and
the
parking
and
again.
G
This
is
the
reason
we're
here
asking
for
the
PCD
zoning
instead
of
the
existing
zoning,
the
overlay
District
again
limits
the
setback
to
75
feet
and
also
prefers
that
the
parking
be
behind
buildings
and
really
that
just
does
not
work
for
what
we're
doing
here.
You
know
here
we're
focused
on
families,
we're
focused
on
Recreation
and
for
the
design
of
the
site.
It
makes
more
sense
for
safety
and
and
just
general
usability
for
the
fields
to
be
behind
the
building
and
behind
the
parking
so
that
children
are
not
playing
close
to
the
streets.
G
Balls
are
not
going
out
into
the
streets;
it
makes
the
most
sense
for
safety
for
the
parking
lot
for
cars
to
be
separated
from
the
fields
by
the
building,
so
that
Rogue
balls
are
not
hitting.
You
know.
Cars
of
the
visitors
that
are
attending
events
at
the
facility
and
also
just
the
site
variation
in
grade
was,
was
difficult
to
work
with,
and
so
that
is
our
our
main.
G
So
again,
our
request
is
to
rezone
the
property
from
B3
to
PCD,
to
accommodate
our
YMCA
recreational
facility.
We
did
become
aware
of
the
staff
recommended
conditions,
and
these
are
just
abbreviated
summaries
of
what
those
are.
But
again
we
have
no
issue
with.
You
know
designating
this
use
specifically
for
a
community
recreation
center.
That
is
Our
intention
and
we
are
fine
with
that
condition.
We
are
absolutely
fine
committing
to
the
materials
that
we
show
that
we
show
in
the
pattern
book.
G
C
C
G
B
If
I
could
add
to
that
too
I
mean
the
recommended
condition
is
based
upon
just
at
a
really
high
overview.
Analysis
of
the
request
is
to
require
that
a
general
look
at
the
right
away.
I,
don't
think,
there's
any
need
for
like
right
away
acquisition
from
the
adjoining
property
owners
to
make
a
left
turn
happen,
but
there
should
be
adequate
room
on
the
road
to
accommodate
one.
If
so,
one
were
so
build
because
they
are
proposing
some
entrance
improvements.
B
Those
improvements
could
be
recessed
and
don't
have
those
in
my
mind
and
we
didn't
work
one
out.
We
also
didn't
require
the
applicant
to
prepare
a
traffic
study.
There
could
have
been
other
improvements
identified
of
a
traffic
study
were
done,
but
we're
not
that
this
is.
This
is
not
warrant
one.
There
aren't
enough
trips
that
this
site
would
generate
to
require
them
to
do
a
traffic
study,
just
in
a
general
overview
of
how
much
impact
it
would
have
I
think
my
recommendation
of
this.
B
The
turn
lane
was
simply
to
accommodate
left
turn
movements
into
the
site
because
clearly,
if
there's
Peak
traffic
flow
from
coming
from
the
school
and
there's
movement
into
the
site,
there
will
be
a
stacking
issue
that
backs
up
into
straw
Boulevard
if
there
isn't
some
accommodation
to
allow
the
queuing
for
a
left
turn
to
stall
and
sit
in
the
road
while
Northbound
traffic
moves
on.
That
was
the
basis
for
the
recommendation.
For
me,
we
didn't
get
into
the
specifics
with
them,
and
I
also
didn't
have
a
conversation
with
the
applicant
about
that.
D
G
B
Here,
I
I
think
so
for
a
zoning
action
I
mean
Andrew's,
making
the
correct
point
that
moving
on
and
moving
forward
with
this
has
not
developed
for
another
year
two
years.
What
have
you
I
mean?
This
condition
will
stand
if
it
is
approved
by
council
with
that
condition
on
there,
then
any
development
of
the
site
fork
and
Community,
Development
or
Community
Recreation
Center
would
have
to
put
an
attorney
is
what
that
means.
B
I
think
to
address
her
concern
with
the
the
conversation
is
I
mean
I'm,
recommending
that
I
would
recommend
that
it
remain,
but
there'll
be
some
additional
stipulation
that
we
ex
explore
the
potential,
for
maybe
a
development
agreement
to
I
guess
share
cost
the
burden
of
the
development.
I
mean
the
development
cost
of
the
entrance
itself.
B
There
I
mean
they're
I'm,
not
sure
what
the
exact
words
would
be
to
be
quite
honest
with
you,
we
really
and
I
and
I
have
to
apologize
to
Andrew.
We
really
haven't
had
any
detailed
conversation
about
this,
because
the
reports
were
put
out
Friday
and
there
hasn't
been
much
conversation
with
the
applicant
since
I
haven't
I
didn't
reach
out
to
her
to
let
her
know.
I
was
recommending
that
that
was
not
part
of
their
request,
but
in
my
analysis
last
week,
I
realized
that
for
safety
sake
that
something
at
a
minimum
would
be
needed.
B
G
Right
and
we
would
ask
again
that
it
not
be
a
condition
that
we
do
it
just
a
condition
that
we
coordinate
with
the
city
again
we're
kind
of
going
off
of
very
little
information.
We
don't
know
the
cost.
We
don't
know
this
Dimensions,
it's
something
that's
kind
of
new
being
thrown
at
us
and
you
know
we're
definitely
open
to
talking
about
it
with
the
city
and
I
think
the
city
would
have
to
decide
on.
G
D
C
I
will
motion
to
approve
and
I
will
attempt
to
do
this
in
a
way
that
we
can
all
understand.
I
will
motion
to
approve
that
we
that's
approved
with
staff
conditions,
one
two
and
four
and
three
be
amended
to
include
the
requirement
of
a
turn
lane,
with
the
cost
to
be
negotiated
between
the
YMCA
and
the
city
at
a
future
time.