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Live teleconference meeting of the Mountain View Environmental Planning Commission Applicant Interviews scheduled for Monday, November 8, 2021.
Live Video Conference: YouTube, mountainview.legistar.com, and Comcast Channel 26.
A
A
Good
evening,
everyone
welcome
to
our
city
council
meeting
study
session
to
interview
our
environmental
planning
commission
applicants.
I'm
going
to
read
the
usual
announcement
as
required.
This
meeting
will
be
conducted
in
accordance
with
the
city
of
mountain
view,
city
council
resolution
number
18613,
in
accordance
with
assembly
bill
361.
A
C
A
Thank
you
all
right,
so
we'll
move
on
to
item
three,
which
is
our
study
session
item
3.1,
is
to
conduct
our
environmental
planning
commission
applicant
interviews.
Tonight
we
will
interview
11
applicants
to
the
environmental
planning
commission
per
the
selection
process
outlined
in
council
policy.
Number
k-2
interviews
will
be
conducted
in
a
panel
format
with
one
group
of
six
and
one
group
of
five.
A
D
A
Great
thank
you,
so
I
was
just
going
to
say
that
so
we
have
10
applicants
now
as
of
605
pm,
and
so
our
suggestion
is
that
each
applicant
gets
five
minutes
to
answer
each
of
the
questions
or
a
total
of
the
questions
that
we
decide
and
right
now.
What
I
think
we'll
need
is
for
council
to
decide
which
questions
we
would
like
to
ask
and
determine
the
number
of
minutes
allocated
to
each
question.
A
A
A
What
do
you
think
are
the
major
issues
for
land
use
planning
in
the
city
of
mountain
view
and
give
some
mountain
view,
examples
of
successes
and
failures
and
planning,
so
the
the
council
may
ask
a
limited
number
of
clarifying
questions.
In
the
event,
a
candidate's
answer
was
unclear
or
otherwise
not
understood.
A
D
A
Wonderful
all
right,
so,
colleagues,
this
is
a
little
bit
different
tonight
kind
of
given
the
the
format.
So
just
please
feel
to
raise
your
hand
if
you
have
any
suggestions
on
which
questions
you
would
like
to.
You
would
like
to
have
move
forward
and
your
ideas
of
how
long
each
question
should
be
allocated.
A
So
my
suggestion
perhaps,
is
that
we
ask
for
three
questions
at
five
minutes.
Perhaps
the
first
question
could
be
one
minute
and
then
question
two
and
three
could
each
be
two
minutes
and
that
could
be
the
total
of
the
five
and
then
for
question
one.
We
could
ask
them
to
include
a
little
bit.
You
know
about
themselves,
and
perhaps
you
know
what
what
why
they'd
like
to
serve
on
the
epc,
councilmember
mata.
E
A
Okay,
so
councilmember
matatek
is
proposing
two
questions
that
weren't
on
our
list.
The
first
is:
what
is
the
role
of
the
epc,
and
my
suggestion
would
be.
You
know
perhaps
tell
us
about
yourself
and
what
is
the
role?
What
do
you
think
is
the
role
of
the
epc
and
then
the
second
question
proposed
is:
what
are
your
thoughts
on
the
city's
existing
plans?
A
F
Yeah,
I
I
like
how
the
question:
how
would
you
balance
private
and
community
benefits-
and
I
would
like
to
expand
this
one
a
little
bit
to
include
and
testimony
that
you
hear
on
you
know
from
residents
on
on
various
projects.
So
how
would
you
balance
private
and
community
benefits,
and
how
would
you
consider
testimony
from
residents.
A
G
H
I
A
So
perhaps
it
could
be,
how
would
you
balance
private
property
rights
and
community
benefits,
and
how
would
you
consider
public
comment
from
residents
that
sound,
okay,
all
right,
so
I
think
that
we
have
almost
four
questions,
but
I
think
we'll
still
call
it
three
so
I'll.
Just
repeat
them
for
colleagues-
and
you
can
tell
me
if
this
sounds
accurate,
so
I
think
the
first
question
might
be
tell
us
about
yourself
and
what
is
the
role
of
the
epc
then
the
second
could
be.
A
Okay,
so
I'll
just
need,
I
think,
maybe
some
physical
shaking
of
the
heads
or
raising
of
the
hands.
If
those
questions
sound
okay
for
everyone,
okay,
I
see
hands
and
okay
thumbs
up.
Oh,
that's,
even
better
all
right,
and
so
I
think
the
proposal
would
be
one
minute
for
the
first
question,
you
know
tell
us
about
yourself
role
of
the
epc
and
then
two
minutes
for
the
other
two
questions,
and
then
that
would
be
five
minutes
per
applicant.
A
Does
that
sound
all
right,
okay
and
then
I
think,
given
the
new
selection
process,
let's
see
so
each
applicant
gets
the
same
amount
of
time.
Our
city
clerk
will
take
time
and
then
it
will
be
a
randomized
round
robin
order,
and
I
think
before
we
let
folks
into
the
room,
perhaps
we
can
decide
how
that
randomized
round
robin
order
will
be,
for
example,
it
could
be
alphabetical
by
last
name
alphabetical
by
first
name.
G
A
All
right,
so
I
think
I'm
just
gonna
take
that
as
a
suggestion
are
folks:
okay,
with
the
randomized
order
for
both
groups,
one
and
two
to
be
alphabetical
by
first
name
and
then
we'll
just
popcorn
to
it.
Okay,
all
right,
I
see
shaking
of
the
hands
all
right
anything
else
about
the
questions,
the
timing
or
the
randomized
order.
A
Okay,
I'm
not
seeing
any
so
we
can
move
on
to
public
comment
before
we
we
go
to
our
applicants.
So
would
any
member
of
the
public
on
the
line
like
to
provide
public
comment
on
this
item?
If
so,
please
click
the
raise
hand
button
in
zoom
or
press
star
now
on
your
phone.
It
may
be
a
little
bit
different,
given
this
format
that
we're
in
because
I
think
it's
not
a
web.
A
A
A
H
A
A
J
J
A
K
Sure
hey,
so
I
want
to
apologize
to
everyone
first,
because
it
looks
like
my
video
is
just
not
installing
so
just
fyi.
I
I
can't
control
that,
but
I'm
gonna
answer
the
question
and
go
for
it
right
now.
I
think
the
advisory
board
with
the
epc
is
important
to
the
community,
obviously
because
of
future
development
growth
and
we
need
housing.
We
also
need
community
input
from
diverse
neighborhoods
from
different
ones
where
we
haven't
been
heard
from
before.
L
Sure
a
little
bit
a
little
bit
about
me.
I've
been
here
living
in
mountain
view
for
about
nine
years,
both
my
wife
and
I
work
for
businesses
based
in
mountain
view,
and
have
raising
three
children
who
are,
in
the
mountain
view,
schools.
We
consider
mountain
view
to
be
our
home
and,
and
so
I
feel,
invested
in
the
future
of
mount
view.
So
that's
why-
and
I
think
mountain
view
is
a
collection
of
decisions
that
have
been
made.
L
That's
how
the
city
operates
and
looks
today
is
based
on
a
result
of
those
decisions.
The
epc
helps
council
as
an
advisory
body
to
make
decisions
about
land
use
and
with
individual
properties,
and
I
feel
compelled
to
help
if
I
can
help
make
those
smaller
decisions
that
council
doesn't
have
time
to
oversee
and
to
make
decisions
for
each
of
the
specific
projects
that
come
up,
that
I'd
be
contributing
to
the
future
of
mountain
view,
as
well
as
for
the
long
range
planning
again,
I
think,
trying
to
be
connected
to
the
neighborhoods.
L
H
M
That's
okay.
Thank
you.
I
appreciate
everyone's
time
here
today.
My
name
is
megan.
I've
been
living
here
in
mountain
view
since
2009,
and
I
consider
it
to
be
my
forever
home.
I
guess
I
have
really
loved
living
here,
both
as
a
renter
and
now
as
a
homeowner
for
the
past
four
years.
So
I
think
that
I
bring
to
I
would
bring
to
the
committee.
You
know
a
vast
range
of
experience
in
different
places.
I've
lived
within
mountain
view
and
a
perspective
on
what
it's
like
to
be
a
renter
here.
M
What
it's
like
to
be
a
homeowner
here
and
I
feel
really
compelled
to
come
work
with
the
epc,
because
I
know
that
your
job
is
planning.
You
know
how
to
keep
our
ecosystem
beautiful,
how
to
keep
our
social
ecosystem
beautiful
and
how
to
keep
us
functioning
well
into
the
future.
I
think
now
it's
a
wonderful
time
to
be
focusing
on
long-term
planning.
M
N
Hi,
so
I've
lived
in
mountain
view
for
27
years
and
the
the
last
15
years
of
that
I've
been
on
various
advisory
bodies,
including
seven
years
in
the
parks
and
rec
commission,
seven
years
on
the
the
library
board.
So
I'm
I'm
really
invested
in
the
community,
and
I've
also
lived
both
as
a
renter
and
as
a
homeowner
in
mountain
view.
So
I
do
have
both
perspectives.
N
H
A
Thank
you
so
we'll
move
on
to
question
two
and
I
think
how
traditionally
in
city
quick
ways
or
you
can
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
the
round
robin
works
as
we'll
start
with,
whoever
was
second
first
right,
so
we'll
popcorn
all
right
just
want
to
give
folks
the
heads
up.
So
this
time,
we'll
start
with
you
jose
and
question
two
is
two
minutes:
what
are
your
thoughts
on
the
city's
existing
plans,
like
the
general
plan
and
precise
plans,.
K
K
A
L
Sure
I
think
the
the
general
plan
and
precise
plans
do
a
good
job
of
balancing
in
the
current
state
the
needs
of
all
the
different
quality
of
life
issues
that
we're
trying
to
balance.
In
addition
to
the
how
much
we
need
to
grow
our
housing
stock
as
we
look
forward
to
the
decisions
that
that
this
epc
will
need
to
make,
I
would
be
very
interested
in
in
really
trying
to
quantify
for
each
project
that
is
coming
forward
with
us,
but
to
the
to
the
epc.
L
So
how
are
we
maintaining
the
trees
on
those
lots,
protecting
the
canopy
looking
at
access
to
public
transit
and
retail
needs
of
the
surrounding
communities
and
displacement
really
trying
to
quantify?
You
know
what
effects
each
project
would
have
and
how
those
projects
align
to
what's
been
laid
out
in
the
general
precise
plan.
L
M
M
I
know
that
they're
available
for
folks
to
look
at
and
it's
something
that
I
haven't
looked
into
too
much
yet
I
do
know
what
I've
experienced
from
living
here
and
from
I'm
doing
a
small
community
art
and
research
project
in
my
own
neighborhood
of
montaloma,
just
interviewing
neighbors,
about
what
mountain
view's
been
like
and
how
it's
changed
over
the
years
and
what
they
love
about
it,
how
they
live
on
this
land
and
how
they
tend
it.
And
so
I
know
that
you
know.
M
In
the
14
years
I've
been
living
here,
I've
seen
mountain
view,
continue
a
trajectory
of
incredible
growth
due
to
you
know
all
of
the
jobs
available
in
the
technology
sector,
and
I
benefit
from
that.
I
have
a
partner
who
works
in
technology,
and
so
I've
noticed
the
landscape
change
a
good
amount,
and
I
also
know
that
I'm
living
in
a
neighborhood
where
things
don't
look
to
have
changed
too
much.
It
still
looks
pretty
post-war
suburbs
over
here
in
monaloma
and
it's
beautiful,
and
so
I
want
to
should
I
be
picked
for
this
commission.
M
I
I
want
to
come
in
and
learn
more
and
I
want
to
bring
my
you
know,
freshness
to
somebody
who
doesn't
know
too
much
yet
to
really
listen
to
both
people
on
the
committee
and
the
council,
and
also
to
other
citizens
of
mountain
view
about
what
are
we
looking
for?
What
do
we
want
to
see
this?
How
do
we
take
care
of
this
beautiful
place
that
we
have.
N
So
so
one
thing
that
I
I
mentioned
before,
that
was
on
some
various
city
commissions
and
committees,
but
I've
also
spent
the
last
eight
years
on
the
santa
clara
county
airport
land
use
commission,
and
that
is
a
land
use
body
in
the
county.
You
may
not
be
familiar
with
it,
but
it's
created
by
state
law
and
it
doesn't
actually
oversee
the
airport
itself.
N
It
has
to
do
with
land
use
around
the
airport,
and
so
it
actually
has
an
impact
on
mountain
view
where
the
aluc
has
a
comprehensive
land
use
plan
for
moffett
field
that
identifies
particular
areas
that
are
concerns
with
respect
to
safety.
You
know
place
in
case
of
an
airplane
crash
or
something
height
and
noise,
which
are
all
issues
around
airports,
and
it
it
makes
sure
that
that
land
use
around
the
airport
is
compatible.
N
Use
I've
seen
these
the
plans
that
mountain
view
has,
as
as
for
plans
for
mountain
view,
going
forward.
Obviously,
environmental
environmental
sustainability
is
super
important
because
if
things
aren't
sustainable
well,
we
can't
sustain
them,
and
that's
that's
not
any
good
for
anyone.
So
you
know
complete
neighborhoods
are,
are
also
important
and
just
kind
of
orderly
development
and
and
and
making
the
place
the
city
better
for
for
everyone,
all
the
people
who
currently
live
here
and
the
newcomers
that
the
new
development
would
would
accommodate
thanks.
J
So
I'm
obviously
a
little
bit
biased
here
of
having
having
worked
on
them,
and
you
know
from
the
general
plan
to
the
the
initial
three
three
precise
plans
we
worked
on
and
and
then
some
of
the
more
recent
ones
that
we
passed.
I
think
I'll
start
by
saying
I
I'm
personally
really
proud
of
of
the
work
that
we
did
on
all
those
across
several
councils,
starting
with
the
general
plan
and
then
the
precise
plans,
which
I
think
were
the
envy
of
many
and
you
know,
won
all
sorts
of
awards.
J
But
I
think
the
most
important
thing
there
is
that
a
lot
of
cities
tried
to
imitate
those
plans
and
I
think
that's
the
greatest
form
of
flattery.
Having
said
that,
the
general
plan
is
is
getting
a
little
bit,
it's
been
a
while.
I
think
it
would
behoove
us
to
to
take
a
look
at
that,
maybe
not
a
full
general
plan
process,
but
maybe
something
targeted.
J
I
also
think
we've
learned
a
lot
from
you've
seen
the
evolution
of
the
precise
plans,
where
you
know,
east
wisman,
I
think,
is
a
much
better
product
than
some
of
the
early
plans
and
even
though
I
think
you
know
el
camino,
the
el
camino
corridor,
for
example,
is
actually
I
think,
developing
quite
well,
and-
and
we
could
do
maybe
that
doesn't
need
quite
as
much
change.
For
example,
if
perhaps
a
re-look
at
some
of
the
others.
J
But
I
think
I
think
the
other
thing
that
we
should
be
proud
of
as
a
city
is
that,
as
time
has
gone
on,
we've
learned
from
the
successes
and
failures
of
each
individual
elements
in
each
of
the
precise
plans-
and
you
know,
culminating
in
you
know:
east
whitman,
for
example,
where
we
have
a
jobs,
housing,
linkage
and
and
really
responding
and
adapting
to
market
conditions
over
time
and
the
needs
of
the
community
with
respect
to
housing.
And
you
know,
even
though
it
was
really
painful.
J
You
know
two
different
iterations
of
north
bay
shore
and
I
just
I
think
we
should
be
really
proud
of
it.
As
a
city
that
we've,
I
think,
we've
continued
to
evolve
and
and
produce
better
products.
The
other
thing
that
folks
forget
about
epc
is
they're
all
thrill
implementation
plans
associated
with
the
general
plan
and
everything,
and
we
should
work
hard
to
ensure
that
we're
we're
you
know
meeting
the
the
intent
of
those
implementation
plans.
A
L
L
L
Taking
that
taking
that
at
face
value,
but
then
also
looking
at
it
with
a
critical
eye,
because
some
folks
on
both
sides
will
speak
in
hyperbole.
So
I
think
trying
to
really
get
to
the
root
of
what's
fair
and
what
most
folks
would
view
as
fair
in
mountain
view,
doing
your
best
to
balance
both
of
those.
A
M
Thank
you,
yeah.
I
think
I
know
I
have
a
lot
to
learn
about
private
property
rights,
but
I'm
currently
inclined
to
look
for
the
most
community
benefit
that
we
can
have,
and
that's
both
short-term
and
long-term,
any
new
development
in
mountain
view,
which
we
certainly
need.
We
need
places
for
people
to
live,
especially
for
people
who
work
in
mountain
view
to
be
able
to
live
in
or
close
to
mountain
view
is
so
important,
and
I
would
love
to
you
know
for
part
of
my
work
to
be.
M
Yeah
encouraging
just
long-term
thinking
about
you
know
what
development
is
necessary.
What
is
pursuing
profit
where
you
know
it's
going
to
be
of
detriment
to
the
community
in
the
long
term,
I'm
thinking
pretty
short
term
right
now,
just
given
where
we're
at
with
climate
change
and
the
climate
collapse.
I
know
that
we
have
you
know.
M
This
is
one
isolated
city,
we're
you
know,
part
of
california,
part
of
america,
part
of
the
world,
and
so,
if
we're
not,
you
know,
thinking
of
the
community
in
local
and
even
broader
terms.
I
think
we
that's
that's
really
important
to
consider
in
terms
of
environmental
planning,
and
I
I'm
really
excited
for
the
opportunity
to
you
know
hear
more
from
other
mountain
view,
residents
about
what
we
need
and
want-
and
you
know
other
property
owners,
business
owners
about
what
they
need
and
want.
M
N
But
but
the
important
thing
is
I'm
not
really
applying
with
any
specific
agenda.
I
I'm
not.
I
don't
think
that
you
know
I'm
not
angry
that
we're
developing
too
fast
or
we're
not
developing
fast
enough
or
that
we
need
maximum
development
or
minimum
development,
or
anything
like
that.
So
I
just
I
just
want
to
serve
mountain
view,
so
when,
on
the
the
private
property
rights
and
community
benefits
question,
I
I
don't
have
any
you
know
magic
formula
or
anything
like
that.
N
My
my
overall
consideration
is
what
is
best
for
for
everyone,
both,
as
I
said
earlier,
that
the
people
who
currently
live
in
mountain
view
and
the
newcomers
that
we
would
welcome
in
any
sort
of
new
development.
But
you
know
one
thing
off
the
top
of
my
head
that
I
I
would
prefer
something
like
a
public
park
space
over
private
park
space
in
inside
of
development,
but
I
I
don't
have
any
necessarily
any
hard
and
fast
rules
that
I
can.
You
know
explain
right
now.
N
As
far
as
the
public
comment
that
is
super
important
to
me.
It
always
has
been
important
to
me.
I
I'm
a
very
interested
in
listening
to
people
gathering
the
comment,
the
public
comments
and
making
people
hearing,
people
and
making
them
feel
heard
and
explaining
my
my
decisions,
because
although
people
may
not
agree
with
my
decisions,
I
need
them
to
to
understand
that
I
was
listening
and
that
I
heard
them
and
and
then
hopefully
they
can
can
respect
the
decision
that
that
I,
that
I
come
to,
whether
they
agree
or
not.
Thanks.
H
J
I
think,
in
terms
of
balance,
the
the
key
to
striking
a
good
balance
is
generally
ensuring
the
community
feels
that
a
use,
change
or
a
development
is
is
benefiting
them
in
some
way
and
it
isn't
solely
as
the
benefit
to
the
to
the
private
landowner
or
party.
So
I
think
the
the
private
benefits
of
the
developers
sort
of
inherent
in
the
proposal.
J
Are
you
can
we
are
there
things
that
we
can
do
to
ensure
that
we're
meeting
our
overall
goals,
instead
of
solely
serving
the
interest
of
the
property
on
earth?
So,
for
example,
publicly
accessible
open
space
additional
canopy
in
the
long
run,
greater
diversity
of
housing
types,
additional
retail
and
generally
things
that
bring
the
community
together
and
make
it
feel
like
a
more
integrated
community
and
with
respect
to
incorporating
testimony
from
residents.
J
The
folks
who
are
near
these
developments
are
the
ones
who
are
going
to
know
what
their
community
most
needs,
and
so,
when
we're
looking
at
the
benefits
of
the
development,
especially
if
it's
a
community
benefit
that
we
can
that
we
can
require.
I
think
we
need
to
take
those
needs
of
that
specific,
neighborhood
or
community
into
account,
and
that
should
be
a
primary
concern
of
the
epc.
J
So
you
know
in
terms
of
evaluating
the
project
you
know
just
looking
at,
does
it
deviate
from
existing
plans
and
requirements
and
and
how
much?
And
if
so,
you
know
what
is
how
do
we
ensure
that
we're
obtaining
you
know
maximum
community
benefit
in
exchange
for
whatever
allowances
we're
making
and
ensuring
that
we're
not
making
too
many
allowances
and
getting
the
community's
feedback
on
on
what
those
benefits
should
be,
and
then
just
spending
the
time
to
read
the
eir,
the
staff
analysis.
J
K
Okay,
great,
thank
you,
honorable
america.
I
think
that's
the
biggest
challenge
right.
I've
been
a
former
elected
official
and
I've
been
caught
in
situations
where
I've
got
to
factor
out.
What
does
the
union
think?
What
do
my
parents
think
and
what
does
the
district
think
as
a
whole
right,
especially
when
I
was
with
the
school
board?
But
when
you
look
at
these
types
of
issues,
I
think
the
biggest
challenge
that
we
have
is
communication
and
sharing
of
information.
K
Once
everyone
knows
what
can
and
can't
be
done.
You
find
in
that
respect
that
then
we're
on
the
same
page.
So
it's
a
matter
of
figuring
out
when
you're
looking
at
a
project.
In
my
humble
opinion,
how
much
does
the
community
actually
know
right
and
how
active
are
they
in
general,
depending
where
you're
looking
at
a
mountain
view,
when
there
is
a
proposal,
do
they
really
come
out
and
speak
right
and
when
they
do
do
we
listen?
K
Example,
I
think,
where
there's
a
give-and-take
there
and
if
there
is
a
give
and
take,
we
should
jump
all
over
that
to
try
and
see
what
can
we
get
that
will
positively
affect
the
neighborhood
in
that
area
specifically,
but
then
in
the
big
picture,
how
will
that
affect
transportation?
How
will
that
affect
our
eco
footprint?
K
When
you
look
at
the
school
district
itself,
when
I
joined
five
years
ago,
I've
said
this
to
you
many
a
little
bit
before
during
the
weekend
five
years
ago,
49
latino
students
now
it's
down
to
37.,
so
we've
got
to
protect
our
socioeconomic
diversity
as
well,
and
when
you
listen
to
people
and
you're
a
part
of
the
community.
Thank
you.
A
Yeah,
sorry
about
that
no
worries
two
minutes
can
go
fast
all
right,
so
I
think
that
concludes
all
three
questions,
and
so
I
want
to
thank
our
five
applicants
for
their
time
and
their
patience
as
we
work
through
our
our
zoom
and
our
new
interview
processes
so
really
appreciate
it.
Council
will
deliberate
and
we're
gonna
talk
to
our
next
group
of
five
thanks.
So
much
have
a
great
night.
Thank.
A
A
D
A
P
A
H
A
Wonderful,
okay,
so
just
as
a
refresher
five
minutes
for
all
of
you,
the
first
question
is
one
minute.
Second
question:
two
minutes
third
question:
two
minutes
and
our
city
clerk
will
help
keep
us
on
track
and
when
you
hear
that
beautiful
kind
of
bell
sound,
your
time
is
up
all
right.
So
we'll
start
with
you
alex
tell
us
about
yourself
and
what
is
the
role
of
the
epc.
P
All
right
sounds
good.
Well,
my
name
is
alex
sunies.
I
have
been
a
long
time
advocate
here
in
the
city
of
mountain
view,
for
increased
development.
You
know
for
tenant
protections
and
for
ensuring
that,
as
our
city
grows,
that
the
most
vulnerable
people
in
our
community
are
able
to
participate
in
the
benefits
of
that
development
as
well.
Q
Q
You
all
know
me
in
various
capacities
over
my
probably
10
years,
working
in
various
political
aspects
of
mountain
view,
including
the
school
board,
being
a
board
member
of
the
day
worker
center
and
other
capacities.
Most
recently,
I
got
involved
with
the
issues
surrounding
manaloma
park
and
became
aware
of
all
of
the
issues
about
land
use.
In
mountain
view,
I've
done
a
lot
of
research
on
it
already,
but
there's
so
much
more.
I
need
to
learn
about
all
this
to
come
up
with
good
solutions.
The
role
of
the
epc.
Q
As
I
understand
it,
is
to
advise
the
city
council
to
review
the
proposals
put
out
put
forth
by
the
staff
and
to
think
of
the
consequences
of
along
the
consequences
of
the
plans
on
the
long-term
planning
for
mountain
view
and
to
really
fill
in
the
gaps
and
give
a
sanity
check
on
the
work
that
the
staff
is
doing.
Thank
you.
A
R
Good
evening,
I'm
ida
rose
sylvester
a
proud
22-year
resident
of
the
city
of
mountain
view.
Over
the
last
several
years
of
my
professional
and
civic
engagement,
I've
created
a
unique
combination
of
expertise
across
several
pillars,
including
the
natural
environment,
the
built
environment
such
as
evaluating
and
challenging
projects
large
and
small,
how
those
serve
our
community,
the
human
element
of
planning
through
my
tenure
and
the
human
relations
commission,
which
has
helped
me,
really
understand
how
our
planning
process
directly
and
indirectly
impacts
people
who
live
here.
R
H
S
Sorry,
I
didn't
want
to
make
noise
earlier.
Okay,
thank
you
for
your
time.
I
just
wanted
to
introduce
myself
to
those
who
don't
know
me.
My
name
is
joyce
yin
and
I
am
a
professional
registered
architect.
I
mainly
do
residential.
I
have
a
background
in
city
design
as
well.
Urban
design
and
I
care
very
much
about
how
our
city
develops
over
time
and
in
the
near
term.
S
Historic
preservation
is,
is
one
of
the
things
I
I
feel
is
needed
to
have
an
overall
balanced
city
that
works
well
over
time,
and
I
think
that
the
background
I
have
in
that
aspect
of
city
planning
really
is
useful.
When
we
look
at
zoning
codes,
general
plans,
precise
plans,
so
on
so
forth.
I
do
feel
that
ebc
is
much
more
than
that.
We
also
need
to
look
at
the
whole
picture:
the
environment,
sustainability.
A
T
F
T
A
Perfect
right
right
when
the
buzzer
went
off.
Thank
you
all
right
all
right.
So,
let's
see,
I
think
I
have
to
ask
people
to
end
me
out
so
bill.
I'm
gonna
ask
you
to
unmute
your
next.
So
question
two
is
two
minutes:
what
are
your
thoughts
on
the
city's
existing
plans,
like
the
general
plan
and
precise
plans,.
Q
Q
That
goes
into
transportation.
That
goes
into
all
of
these
aspects
that
make
gives
fabric
to
a
community,
and
we
need
to
start
think
paying
more
attention
to
that
and
understanding
how
we're
going
to
provide
those
kind
of
community
investments
along
with
the
housing.
I
think
precise
plans
are
great.
Q
R
I
love
this
question,
so
thank
you.
I
think
this
city's
general
plan
is
is
excellent,
but
it's
it's
by
its
very
nature.
It
is
general
and
is
probably
aging
it
did
not
itself
be,
could
not
predict
a
pandemic
and
its
impact
on
our
our
workforce
and
the
need
for
office
space
the
need
for
small
businesses
that
support
office
space.
R
It
certainly
cannot
predict
some
of
the
regulations
like
what
our
arena
allocations
would
be
each
time.
So
in
many
senses
it's
a
great
document
but
needs
to
have
living,
but
the
living
the
current
time
breathed
into
it.
From
our
precise
plan
perspective,
I
think,
especially
with
east
wisman,
north
tarabella
and
north
bayshore.
We
have
some
really
incredible
vision
for
building
complete
communities
that
serve
a
future
population.
R
That
said,
I
think
we
face
a
lot
of
challenges,
because
we
do
need
to
look
at
things
that
we
may
not
have
looked
at
as
much
holistically
like
the
built
environment,
social
justice
aspects,
the
needs
of
existing
community
members,
who,
I
think
our
existing
community
members,
often
feel
they
are
left
out
of
these
processes,
no
matter
how
well
we
try
to
reach
them.
So
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
room
for
bringing
people
in.
R
C
H
S
Yeah,
let
me
just
mute
myself.
Yes,
thank
you
yeah,
as
I
had
mentioned
in
the
application,
I
just
feel
like
much
like
ida
rose
had
mentioned.
The
general
plan
is
general
and
we
are
facing
such
a
rapid
change
in
a
short
amount
of
time
that
it
makes
for
very
complex
issues
and
challenges,
and
I
find
that
we
really
need
to
prioritize
and
balance
all
those
aspects,
and
it's
tough
to
do.
There's
no
easy
solution
or
answer
to
this,
but
I
feel
like
it's
very
important
to
listen
to
the
public
to
what
they
want.
S
What
they
feel
is
important
and
then
translate
that
in
priorities
in
our
priorities,
in
terms
of
how
we
build
out
and
plan
for
the
future
in
general,
even
the
precise
plans.
These
are
long-term
things
and
when
we
look
at
something
of
that
scope
and
that
timeline,
we
sort
of
have
to
look
at
our
best
view
of
what
that
future
might
be.
We
have
to
have
some
flexibility
in
there,
but
at
the
same
time,
we
are
planning
for
the
greater
good
of
the
city
over
sort
of
a
this
medium
term
for
the
general
plan.
S
T
We
tend
to
agree
that
a
general
plan
is
very
general
and
I
think
mountain
view
has
some
unique
challenges
in
that
it's
cut
in
pieces
by
the
railroad
tracks
by
freeways,
and
you
know,
by
physical
situations
like
shoreline,
even
shoreline
avenue,
and
I
would
like
to
see
more
precise
area
plans
and
when
I
helped
to
write
palo
alto's
just
expired
general
plan.
We
created
five
precise
area
plans
in
palo
alto
and
involved
the
people
in
those
areas
in
helping
to
determine
the
character
and
the
nature
of
those
areas.
T
So
I
think
the
precise
area
plan
process
is
could
be
expanded
and
I
also
agree
that
we
have
to
ground
the
general
plan
in
all
kinds
of
things
like
diversity,
which
is
one
of
the
reasons
I
moved
to
mountain
view,
appreciating
diversity
preserving
some
of
the
historical
aspects
of
mountain
view
and
then
embracing
that
we
can
barely
imagine
as
it
unfolds
but
to
take
snapshots
along
the
way
to
update
the
general
plan
and
ground
it
in
reality.
As
we
move.
A
P
Obviously,
as
we've
seen
over
the
last
10
years,
some
of
the
environmental
components
have
definitely
come
into
the
fore
a
lot
more,
and
so
as
we're
thinking
about
how
we're
going
to
be
meeting.
You
know
some
of
our
greenhouse
gas
emissions
reductions
targets,
for
example.
I
think
that
one
of
the
areas
of
the
general
plan
where
we
want
to
look
at
is
not
only
affirming
the
need
for
jobs
close
to
areas
of
transit.
P
A
R
I
think
actually,
our
city
has
done
a
wonderful
job,
generally,
balancing
the
needs
of
private
property
rights
and
community
benefits.
Our
city
has
been
doing
that
since
that
big
boom
period
of
development
in
the
1950s,
the
neighborhood
that
I
live
in
actually
has
had
the
first
community
park
required
as
a
for
a
developer.
R
R
I
happen
to
be
very
fond
of
public
comment.
I
absolutely
love
talking
to
people
of
mountain
view.
People
who've
lived
here
six
weeks
or
60
years.
I
think
people
everyone
brings
a
unique
perspective
of
how
they
view
the
city,
how
they
interact
in
their
own
natural
and
built
environment
and
how
they
view
the
future,
and
sometimes
those
are
extremely
contradictory,
and
it
feels
like
we
can't
come
to
solutions.
But
I've
worked
very
hard,
especially
on
the
hrc,
in
making
sure
that
diverse
public
opinion
is
brought
together.
A
S
S
I
do
not
want
to
take
away
from
the
ability
of
a
property
owner
or
to
to
be
able
to
have
a
win,
but
if
we
can
work
together
from
the
beginning
of
the
process
and
all
have
come
with
good
intentions,
I
think
it's
very
doable.
We've
had
lots
of
examples
in
large
plans
all
the
way
down
to
like
individual
projects,
and
so
I
think
it's
doable.
S
If
everyone
comes
to
the
table
with
good
intentions,
the
willingness
to
work
together-
and
I
just
think
as
member
of
the
epc,
my
job
is
to
look
for
the
good
of
the
city
and
for
the
public,
and
that
takes
us
to
part
two
which
is
taking
public
input.
I
think
it's
critical
to
get
public
input.
What
are
we
doing
if
we're
not
doing
that?
S
I
think
that
we
really
need
to
try
to
reach
out
and
hear
more
about
what
the
public
wants.
I
think
that's
always
a
challenge
too.
Everyone
is
so
busy
so
stressed
out.
Just
making
ends
meet,
there's
not
a
lot
of
time
to
devote
to
what's
not
going
to
affect
them
right
now.
So
I
think
if
we
can
try
to
just
get
more
public
input,
fuse
it
together
and
then
make
the
best
decisions
possible,
that's
the
best
we
can
do
and
and
I'm
all
for
it.
T
That,
first
part
is
a
great
question,
great
question.
I
think
we're
right
in
the
middle
of
that
challenge
everywhere.
The
individual
rights
are
what
makes
the
richness
of
texture.
You
know
it's
diverse
it.
It
makes
places
interesting
and
and
collective
rights.
I
would
call
them
the
collective
rights
community
rights.
Those
are
absolutely
needing
to
be
totally
balanced
by
the
individual
part,
and
so
I
think
mountain
view
is
doing
a
good
job.
I
love
the
downtown.
I
love
the
civic
center.
I
love
a
lot
of.
T
There
are
a
lot
of
parks
in
in
mountain
view,
but
I
think
the
well-being
of
the
community
is
something
that
derives
from
a
well-educated
population.
So,
in
part
answer
to
the
second
question:
how
to
involve
people
and
the
input.
In
my
experience
it's
best
to
create
some
form
of
contextual
education.
T
Before
people
start
to
voice
opinions,
it
tends
to
collect,
collect
the
opinions
a
little
bit
when
you
can
contextualize
them
and
put
them
in
in
the
larger
common
good,
and
I
participated
in
palo
alto.
We
we
did
an
extensive
outreach
in
palo
alto
to
people
and
involve
people
in
coming
up
with
the
design
and
the
plans
for
their
neighborhoods
and
for
the
city
of
palo
alto.
T
H
T
A
P
The
reason
we
have
and
need
community
benefits
is
because,
as
we
allow
developers
to
come
in
and
make
a
monetary
return
on
building
projects
in
our
community,
there
are
actual
impacts
around
you
know:
increased
traffic
or
increased
demand
on
our
parks
that
actually
do
arise
from
enabling
that
development
that,
as
a
city,
we
need
to
be
able
to
bring
back
to
make
the
city
livable
for
the
people
who
have
been
here
before
and
will
continue
to
come
in.
So
at
that
level.
P
Anything
above
that
really,
I
think,
requires
being
able
to,
for
lack
of
better
words,
engage
the
developers
or
the
project
the
owners
of
projects
as
people
and
really
kind
of
bring
them
in
as
partners
in
the
community
and
help
them
participate
in
giving
back
to
the
community
a
little
bit
more.
That
takes
a
little
bit
of
nuance,
but
it
is
also
important
to
make
sure
that
development
is
not
tilting
in
the
other
direction,
where
it's
actively
harming
people,
and
so
in
terms
of
the
public
comment.
P
You
know
that
is
actually
one
area
where
I
believe
that
I
have
done
work
to
proactively
engage
people,
for
example,
with
gamma
way
where
that
project.
You
know
people
needed
to
understand
what
the
process
was,
how
they
could
organize
to
understand
where
the
city
would
take
that
project.
I
really
made
sure
that
I
was
proactive
in
reaching
out
to
people
at
that.
Q
No,
I
think
I
got
it.
Okay,
okay,
thank
you.
So
one
of
the
reasons
I
would
like
to
be
in
the
epc
is
to
be
able
to
answer
that
question
very
well.
I
really
don't
have
enough
information
how
to
balance
property
rights
with
everything
else.
It's
every
as
people
have
said
it's
complex,
but
the
money
involved
is
staggering
for
all
the
needs
of
our
community,
the
you
know
going
forward
and
going
backward
in
the
process.
A
A
A
So
I
think
we
have
a.
We
had
an
excel
spreadsheet
that
I
think
everyone
saw
in
terms
of
being
able
to
to
vote,
but
perhaps
people
would
like
to
to
deliberate
or
share
some
initial
thoughts
before
we
go
into
into
voting.
I'm
not
sure
if
council
would
like
to
you
can
feel
free
to
raise
your
hands
or
perhaps
city
clerk
laser.
You
can
help
us
figure
out
how
we'll
use
the
excel
sheet.
Yeah.
A
C
C
All
of
them
are
impressive
and
bring
different
qualities
and
assets,
broad
representation
across
the
city
and
position
in
life.
All
of
them,
I
think,
would
have
much
to
contribute
to
the
epc,
and
so
I've
been
struggling
with
this
for
for
quite
some
time,
I'll
share
with
you
how
I
have
come
to
the
conclusion
I've
come
to
and
then
I'll
share
my
votes
and
depending
on
how
things
play
out.
C
So
I'm
going
to
supply
votes
both
for
alex
nunez
and
jose
gutierrez.
For
several
reasons.
I
think
they
each
have
great
merit
on
their
in
their
own
right
in
terms
of
representation
they're,
both
latino,
they
both
rent,
jose
lives
on
latham.
I
don't
know
if
we've
ever
had
a
planning,
commissioner,
who
has
lived
on
latham
and
both,
I
think,
have
deep
ties
with
our
latinx
community.
Both
speak
spanish.
C
I
think
both
have
very
different
perspectives
in
many
regards
jose
is
aside
from
mr
lambert,
unique
and
having
elected
experience,
and,
I
think
has
demonstrated
an
ability
to
work
well
with
a
governing
body
and
staff.
So
I
appreciate
that
perspective.
I
think
that
will
be
valuable
and
alex
has
done
a
tremendous
amount
of
organizing
work
and-
and
I
think
would
would
do
an
exceptional
job
representing
a
community
that
often
feels
marginalized
and
vulnerable.
C
I
can't
pick
between
the
two.
I
think
both
deserve
an
opportunity
to
serve
on
the
planning,
commission
and
I'll
share.
I
would
be
very
sad
if
neither
were
given
that
opportunity,
so
those
are
my
two
starting
votes,
I'm
also
going
to
support
joyce,
because
I
think
she's
done
a
great
job
as
an
incumbent.
C
He
also
has,
I
think,
an
advantage
in
my
for
my
perspective
and
representing
a
growing
community
or
our
asian
population
in
mountain
view.
I
think
she
brings
her
her
perspective
is
not
always
aligned
with
my
own,
but
I
think
it's
it's
an
important
perspective
to
have
she's
been
active
in
community
groups
in
the
city
and,
I
think,
has
been
very
thoughtful
in
her
contributions,
so
I'm
very
happy
to
support
her
as
well.
C
A
Great
thank
you
vice
mayor
and
I
just
want
to
clarify
the
cppc
made.
The
council
policies
and
procedures
committee
made
several
changes,
and
so
I'm
just
going
to
read
this
because
we
actually
we're
going
to
need
to
go
through
all
seven
of
us.
It
says
each
member
of
the
interviewing
body
shall
vote
for
as
many
candidates
as
there
are
open
seats.
A
A
In
the
event,
there
is
a
tie
vote
each
member
of
the
interviewing
body
shall
re-vote
for
the
candidate
of
their
choice
and
the
candidate
with
the
highest
number
of
votes
wins.
The
interviewing
body
may
choose
another
voting
method
by
majority
vote,
so
city
clerk
laser
is
using
the
excel
spreadsheet
to
keep
track
of
all
of
our
votes
and
we'll
we'll
go
through
individually.
A
I
Thank
you
mayor.
Actually,
that
was
going
to
be.
My
question
is:
what's
the
procedure
because
you
had
mentioned
both
doing
motions
and
then
having
each
of
us
go
through
it?
Sorry
about
that
yeah!
No,
it's
changed.
I
think
yeah
going
through
one
one
at
a
time
it's
probably
best
anyway,
and
my
other
question
is
in
terms
of
the
alternate
we.
I
D
A
policy
that
you
read
from
doesn't
address
specifically
what
bodies
have
or
can
have
alternates
currently
right
now
you
have
the
seven
members
and
no
alternate
so
the
only
thing
that
we
brought
forward
tonight
was
filling
the
two
impending
vacancies
and
then
the
one
that's
vacant
for
an
unexpired
term,
but
the
council
would
like
to
discuss
an
additional
alternate
seat.
That
would
be
something
I
would
suggest
doing
separately
from
this
voting
process.
I
Okay,
well
yeah.
I
guess
we
can
maybe
leave
that
to
the
end
then,
but
in
the
past
our
past
practices
decide
if
we
want
to
create
an
alternate
seat,
oftentimes
based
on
just
the
applicant
pool-
and
you
know
if
we
have
a
lot
of
strong
candidates,
we
like
to
try
to
include
as
many
as
we
can
and
an
alternate
seat
is
a
way
to
do
that
so,
but
I'll
leave
that
until
after
we
pick
our
three
appointees.
I
So
with
that,
I
guess
I'll.
Just
put
my
my
preferences,
I
do
appreciate
the
number
of
applicants
and
also
just
the
very
strong
pool
of
applicants.
We've
received
this
time
quite
a
few
folks
with
a
lot
of
experience.
I
do
also
appreciate
the
folks
who
are
interested
in
getting
more
involved
in
the
community.
So
thank
you
to
everyone.
I
would
start
with
reappointing
joyce
yin.
I
I
think
she
has
done
an
outstanding
job
very
thoughtful,
very,
very,
very
hardworking
and
really
really
has
put
a
lot
of
effort
into
her
role
as
an
abc
member.
So
I
think
she
definitely
deserves
reappointment
in
terms
of
the
other
two
seats.
I
appreciate
all
the
different
things
we
have
to
consider.
I
definitely
think
diversity
is
very
important
representation
of
our
different
constituencies
in
the
community,
as
well
as
geographical
variety,
and
so
I
would
support,
as
vice
mayor
mentioned,
jose
gutierrez.
I
I
Need,
I
would
say,
of
representation
from
the
latin
latino
latinx
community,
as
well
as
from
his
neighborhood
and
the
fact
that
he
would
be
representing
the
mentor
community
as
well.
Given
you
know
who
I
am
and
what
I've
done.
I
do
very
much
value
experience,
there's
a
very
much
value
experience
and
you
know
what
we
do.
The
the
topics
that
we've
discussed,
that
epc
discusses.
I
Lessons
learned
and
that
you
know
can
help
shape
how
we
move
to
the
future,
and
for
that
reason
I
support
chris
clark.
I
think
he's.
We
all
know
him.
I
think
he's
done
an
outstanding
job
as
a
council
member
as
an
apc
member,
and
he
really
understands
like
everything
that
we're
talking
about
now,
because
he's
been
a
part
of
that,
and
I
really
believe
that
continuity
makes
a
difference
and
can
really
add
a
lot
of
benefit.
So
he
would
be
my
third
vote.
Thank
you.
O
Thank
you
mayor.
Well,
I
first
wanted
to
say
how
much
I
appreciate
all
of
the
applicants
who
have
gone
through
this
process
who
participated
and
all
had
really
substantive
answers,
and
I
think
it's
really
a
credit
to
our
community
that
we
have
people
stepping
up
in
such
a
a
strong
way.
So
thank
you
to
everyone.
Who's
participated
and
I
would
like
to
cast
my
initial
three
votes
for
alex
nunez
ida
rose,
sylvester
and
joyce
yen.
G
Well,
I
I
won't
belabor
what
everyone
else
has
said
that
we
really
have
a
wealth
of
candidates,
and
I
I
actually
I
wish
I
got
many
more
than
three
votes
and-
and
I
you
know,
I
agree
with
a
lot
of
things
that
previous
council
members
have
said.
So
I
will
not
belabor
it
very
much.
I
will
be
vote.
I
think
joycienna's
done
a
great
job
and
I
will
be
voting
for
her.
E
E
E
E
F
I
didn't
even
raise
my
hand
mayor
okay,
yes,
I
am.
I
too
have
been
just
delighted
with
the
caliber
of
people
who
have
stepped
up
to
apply
for
epc.
It
really
is
a
you
know,
a
wonderful
reflection
on
the
city
and
and
kind
of
the
the
work
that
we've
done
in
the
past
and
the
work
that
hope
people
hope
will
do
in
the
future.
F
A
Great
thank
you
and
thanks
for
humoring
me,
councilman
rochelle
show
up
just
trying
to
keep
our
meeting
moving
appreciate
it.
Thank
you
okay.
So
that
leaves
me
so
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you.
Thank
you
to
our
staff,
our
my
colleagues
and
to
our
applicants
and
the
public.
This
is
a
totally
new
process
for
doing
epc
interviews,
the
round-robin
style,
the
timing
and
having
to
continue
to
do
this
virtually
so
really
appreciate.
A
You
humoring
me
as
I
try
to
try
to
do
all
this,
and
I
really
appreciate
it
and
I
feel
really
heartened
that
we
had.
You
know
initially
11
applicants
for
three
seats
for
epc.
It's
such
a
wonderful
thing
to
see
our
community
wanting
to
to
step
up
and
serve
and
offer
a
variety
of
perspectives
and
backgrounds
to,
I
think,
what's
really
important,
which
is
talking
about
land
use
in
our
city.
A
So
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
and,
what's,
I
think
also
exciting,
hopefully,
is
with
the
with
the
wealth
of
applicants
that
we
have
today.
I
want
them
to
know
that
there's
now
12
city
boards
and
commissions,
so
you
know
if
epc
isn't
tonight.
Hopefully,
there's
another
commission
that
you
know
you
could
apply
for
or
apply
for
epc
again
and
that
the
the
city
is
really
trying
to
expand
our
public
and
our
community
involvement.
A
E
H
A
D
You
have
one
and
a
tie,
one
in
the
tie.
Okay,
all
right
yeah
can
you
read
one.
Then
I
received
six
votes,
which
is
the
most
of
anyone,
so
she
wins
there.
You
have
a
tie
between
alex
jose
and
chris
at
four
each.
So
if
everyone
wants
to
re-vote
for
two
out
of
those
three,
that
would
be
my
recommendation.
A
H
A
D
A
H
O
E
H
H
C
I
Mayor,
so
I
think
this
is
where
I
bring
I'd
like
to
bring
back
the
earlier
topic
that
I
brought
up
in
terms
of
an
alternate
in
light
of
our
strong
group
of
candidates
and,
frankly,
the
close
vote
that
we
had
for
the
the
top
candidates.
I
would
like
to
make
a
motion
that
we
make
jose
gutierrez
the
alternate
for
the
epc.
A
Okay,
so
I
just
before
we
go
down
that
line
and
council
member
library
see
your
hand
as
well.
I
just
I
do
see
our
city
attorney
on
here
and
just
wanted
to
double
check
because
having
read
having
read
the
the
new
policy
and
just
wasn't
sure
if
this
needs
to
come
back
to
council
or
at
a
future
time
or
or
what
city
attorney
chopra
thanks
so
much
for
joining
us.
U
Yes,
thank
you
mayor.
We
did
check
the
city
charter
and
the
city
code
and
it's
ambiguous
as
to
the
alternate
for
the
environmental
planning
commission.
The
charter
says
the
epc
shall
be
composed
of
at
least
seven
members,
and
then
the
zoning
ordinance
says
it
shall
be
composed
of
seven
and
there's.
Also
no
procedures
set
forth
for
how
an
alternate
would
participate
on
the
epc,
such
as
we
have
for
the
rhc,
for
example,
it's
clearly
delineated.
U
I
I
don't
think
it's
impossible
to
do
this,
but
I
think
it
may
be
better
to
bring
back
the
item
if
there's
counts
majority
council
interest,
so
we
can
think
it
through
with
the
city
clerk
in
terms
of
how
the
alternate
position
would
be
structured
and
how
the
participation
would
take
place.
So
I
think
it
may
be
best
to
bring
this
back.
A
I
Not
so
much
questions
but
again
based
on
past
practice,
what
we
have
done
is
created
an
alternate
position
which,
in
an
event
of
a
vacancy
in
the
next
year,
that
person
would
be,
would
take
that
open
position,
but
in
terms
of
how
they
participate
they're,
not
voting
members
in
any
sense,
they're
not
going
to
be
filling
in
for
people
if
they
miss
the
meeting.
It's
just
whether
if
there's
a
vacancy
that
comes
up
within
the
next
year.
Okay,.
U
I
It's
very
different
from
the
rhc.
This
was
really
because
you
know,
and
we
we
are
filling
a
short-term
seat
today.
Even
yes,
because
we
do
have
a
lot
of
turnover
yeah,
and
so
it
was
an
attempt
to
try
to
be
able
to
fill
that
spot
without
having
you
know,
a
long
break
with
the
vacancy,
as
well
as
just
trying
to
you,
know,
get
more
folks
involved
and
and
take
interest
and
and
participate
by
attending
the
epc
meetings,
but
not
necessarily
they
don't
have
any
like
voting
rights
or
anything.
U
A
Okay-
and
I
think
thank
you,
city
attorney
sherpa,
thank
you,
councilman
robert
koga
and,
I
think
just
to
clarify
the
motion.
So
perhaps
it
would
be,
you
know
not
necessarily
to
to
re-vote
for
the
alternate,
but
are
you
proposing
that
the
the
person
who
was
in
fourth
would
get
the
alternate
position
and
it
would
be
an
alternate
if
epc
has
a
vacancy?
Can
you
just
please
clarify
for
colleagues
just
so
they
understand
your
emotion.
I
H
A
F
Yeah,
I
was
just
wondering
how,
if
the
clerk's
deputy
city
clerk
wong,
can
remember
how
how
frequently
this
has
happened,
that
somebody
has
moved
away.
I
know
when
I
took
my
seat
on
the
epc.
It
was
because
somebody
had
moved
out
of
town
and
there
was
just
a
year
left
in
their
term,
but
on
the
whole
nine
years
I
was
on,
I
don't
think
it
happened
again,
so
I'm
just
wondering
and
clearly
it
just
happened
so
so
how?
How
often
does
this
happen.
B
B
F
F
E
So
I
was
an
alternate
on
the
epc
and
nobody
moved
or
resigned,
and
so
that
was
not
how
I
was
appointed
to
the
epc.
But
I
you
know,
having
watched
city
council
meetings
been
on
the
planning
commission
now
being
on
council.
It's
actually
fairly
common
to
have
an
alternate
on
the
epc,
and
so
I
will
second
council
member
albe
cova's
motion.
A
A
O
A
E
A
D
A
So
the
three
people
with
the
most
votes
tonight
will
be
appointed
to
the
epc
at
the
november
16th
meeting
and
those
people
are
joyce
chris
and
alex
right
now.
What
we're
talking
about
is
the
alternate
discussion
council,
member
of
a
code
that
forward
emotion,
seconded
by
council,
member
matashek
and
now
we're
talking
about
the
substitute
motion
from
council
member
lieber
and
councilmember
shel
walter.
A
D
O
So
there's
been
a
motion
put
forward
to
say
that
we
should
create
an
alternate
position
and
that
we
should
appoint
mr
gutierrez
to
it,
and
I
I
think
that
we
should
bring
back
the
issue
of
the
the
creation
of
an
alternate
position.
Since
that
was
never
noticed
on
our
agenda
for
tonight,
and
then
I
I
I
think
we
could
take
nominations
on
that
when
it
comes
back.
But
I
I
really
think
that.
A
Thanks
councilmember
lieber
does
that
clarify
for
colleagues
and
and
everyone
on
what
the
alternate
motion
is.
So
I
think
the
substitute
motion
is
to
bring
back
the
topic
of
an
epc
alternate
at
a
future
date.
That's
I
think
what
I'm
hearing
is
that
councilman
believer.
Is
that
right?
Okay,
thank
you!
Thank
you
very
much.
Okay,
so
I
see
other
hands.
So
I'm
going
to
go
to
council
member
avi
koga
and
then
vice
mayor
ramirez.
I
I
We
are
tonight
recommending
to
ourselves
who
to
appoint,
and
so
the
publicly
noticed
piece
will
be
at
our
council
meeting
when
we
do
the
appointments
and
so
there
it
will
be
publicly
noticed,
and
we
can,
I
believe,
make
a
recommendation
tonight
to
create
an
alternate
position
and
recommend,
as
I
said,
recommend
jose
gutierrez
to
take
on
that
alternate
position
role.
So
I
think
we
are
publicly
within
you
know,
total
guidelines
of
doing
our
public
noticing.
I
This
is
a
study
session
where
we
have
discussion
and
that's
what
we're
doing
and
I-
and
I
only
bring
this
up
really
because
it
was
such
a
tight
vote
frankly
number
one
to
advertise
for
just
an
alternate
position.
We've
tried
that,
and
I
think
we've
tried
that
in
the
past
and
we
just
don't
get
a
lot
of
applicants
given
the
nature
of
what
the
alternate
does,
and
I
would
point
out
that
the
alternate
position
would
be
for
the
appointment
that
begins
in
january
2022
until
december
of
2022.
I
U
If
I
could
just
take
a
moment
to
clarify
you
know
these
procedures
in
terms
of
appointing
advisory
board,
members
they've
been
historically
taken
place
in
this
fashion
and
they're.
You
know
in
the
more
research
that
I've
done
while
this
meeting
was
occurring,
it's
it
is
within
the
brown
act
to
discuss
the
appointments
tonight
and
also
the
concept
of
an
alternate
in
this.
In
this
context,
in
this
limited
context,
not,
for
example,
creating
a
new
procedure
for
alternate
participation
such
as
the
rhc.
U
There
have
historically
been
discussions
of
vacant
positions
and
how
to
address
those-
and
this
is
also
a
study
session,
where
there's
a
preliminary
discussion
of
candidates
and
a
recommendation
and
an
intention
by
the
council
to
make
a
final
action
on
the
16th.
So
perhaps
to
council.
Remember
libra's
concerns
that
the
16th
could
be
used
as
a
as
a
follow-through
if
you
will,
or
a
next
step
in
this
discussion
about
coming
to
some
final
decision
on
on
an
alternate
at
that
time.
U
C
C
C
I'm
happy
to
support
it,
and
not
only
because
I
think
we
have
precedent
for
for
doing
so
and
actually
a
more
extraordinary
set
of
circumstances
in
that
case,
but
also
because
I
think
it's
very
important
to
support
our
latino
community.
I
wish
we
could
have
appointed
both
jose
and
alex,
but
that
was
not
how
the
vote
went
out
and
that's
fine.
So
I'm
happy
to
support
jose
as
an.
A
U
A
A
A
Yes,
okay.
I
see
council,
member
leader
and
counselor
shelter's
head
snotting,
okay,
and
that
was
the
motion
by
councilmember
lieber
seconded
by
council
member
show
walter.
So
thanks
everyone
for
the
robust
discussion.
I
think
you
know
just
wanted
to
say
before
I
I
vote
alternates
are
so
tricky
and
and
so
difficult
to
to
have,
because
the
the
timing
of
our
appointments
is
has
been
such
an
interesting
process.
A
Given
the
the
reasonings
of
how
difficult
it
is
to
to
find
alternates
to
appoint
folks
in
between
vacancies,
because
of
our,
I
guess
I
would
call
it
our
outreach
seasons.
I
I
won't
be
voting
for
this
motion,
but
just
wanted
to
clarify
my
position
before
doing
so
so
city
clerk
laser.
Let's
do
the
roll
call.
I
O
C
A
A
J
A
All
right
so
for
the
november,
thank
you,
everyone
for
the
november
16th
agenda.
We
will
recommend
to
ourselves
the
council
to
appoint
for
the
three
vacancies
joyce
joycian,
alejandro
nunez
and
chris
clark
and
as
an
alternate
jose
gutierrez,
and
we
will
vote
on
that
on
the
16th.
Okay,
all
right,
thank
you.
Everyone
anything
else
on
this
item,
city
attorney
or
city
clerk.
Did
I
get
everything?
A
Yes,
yes,
mayor!
Thank
you
great.
Thank
you.
We
appreciate
it
so
much
so
we
can
move
on
to
item
four
adjournment.
So
thank
you
so
much
for
joining
us.
Everyone,
our
next
regular
city
council
meeting,
will
be
held
tomorrow
november,
9th
at
6,
30
pm
until
then
stay
healthy
and
our
meeting
is
adjourned
at
8.
10
p.m.
Thanks
everyone
appreciate
everyone's
patience,
have
a
great
night
bye.