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N-29-20
dated
march
17
2020.,
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order
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that
we
are
able
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speakers
and
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D
A
Great
I'll
move
on
to
item
number
three,
which
is
oral
communications.
This
portion
of
the
meeting
is
reserved
for
persons
wishing
to
address
the
subcommittee
on
any
matter
not
on
the
agenda.
Speakers
are
allowed
to
speak
on
any
topic
for
up
to
90
seconds.
During
this
section.
State
law
prohibits
the
subcommittee
from
acting
on
any
non-agendized
items.
Would
any
member
of
the
public
on
the
line
like
to
provide
public
comment
on
the
item
that
is
not
on
the
agenda?
A
B
A
E
E
E
So
I
just
wanted
to
let
the
public
know
that
our
next
steps
in
this
project,
with
our
police
and
community
relations
subcommittee,
is
a
report
to
the
december
1st
city
council
meeting
and
there
we'll
share
our
findings
with
the
mountain
view.
Police
department,
as
well
as
city
council
and
I
believe
our
chair
ida
rose
sylvester,
will
also
be
on
this
call
about
an
upcoming
december
second
civility
roundtable
that
we'll
be
hosting
that'll,
be
about
implicit
bias.
A
A
F
There
you
go
apologies
for
that.
I
have
no
idea
why
that
happens
in
certain
forms
of
meetings,
but
I'm
mighty
rose
sylvester
the
chair
of
the
human
relations
commission
and
I'd
like
to
extend
everybody
on
the
call,
a
welcome
to
our
upcoming
civility
roundtable
on
implicit
bias.
It
is
called
believing
is
seeing
the
power
of
the
mythology
of
race
we're
holding
that
on
wednesday
december
2nd
on
zoom,
starting
at
6
30
pm.
F
But
the
purpose
of
this
event
is
really
to
engage
in
a
dialogue
that
talks
about
how
implicit
bias
affects
our
community
and
to
collaborate
in
small
groups
around
what
we
can
do
as
a
community
to
work
on
implicit
bias.
Together,
you
can
register
for
this
event
at
believing
is
seeing
dot
eventbrite.com
believing
is
seeing
eve
dot
eventbrite.com.
A
G
G
Our
first
call
to
action
is
to
remove
all
law
enforcement
from
school
campuses
in
mountain
view,
by
the
start
of
the
2021-2022
school
year.
There
is
strong
community
support
for
this
most
recently
demonstrated
during
last
night's
human
relations
commission
meeting
over
the
last
few
months.
As
previously
mentioned,
the
hrc
has
been
gathering
community
stories
about
policing
in
mountain
view,
and
last
night
they
identified
82
positive
mentions
of
police
interactions
and
266
negative
interactions.
G
Regarding
sros,
there
were
only
three
mentions
of
support
for
the
program
which
all
came
from
parents
rather
than
students,
and
on
the
other
hand,
there
were
41
mentions
of
concern
over
whether
police
involvement
was
appropriate
at
the
high
school
district
level.
Students,
teachers
and
alumni
have
petitioned
the
mbla
board
to
remove
law
enforcement
from
all
campuses
in
the
district
and
to
date,
that
petition
has
close
to
1
000
signatures
and
last
night
in
our
sister
city,
los
altos,
the
citizens
police
task
force
voted
to
recommend
the
elimination
of
the
los
altos
high
school
sro
program.
G
H
H
A
civil
grand
jury
found
that
of
the
31
people
killed
in
santa
clara
county
officer-involved
shootings
between
2013
and
2017
30
suffered
from
a
serious
mental
illness
and
of
the
56
total
police
shootings.
During
that
period,
including
non-fatal
shootings,
40
involved
a
mental
health
crisis.
It
doesn't
have
to
be
this
way
so
providing
city
level.
H
Assistance
to
mcrt
could
go
a
long
way
towards
making
sure
cops,
do
less
and
not
more,
which
was
a
common
sentiment
shared
during
last
night's
hrc
meeting
amongst
many
of
our
residents
and
not
to
mention
this
is
the
right
thing
to
do
to
protect
our
most
vulnerable
residents,
so
instead
of
playing
the
volume
game
and
arguing
over
mental
health.
Thank.
I
Hi,
can
you
hear
me?
Yes,
we
can
hear
you
good
evening.
My
name
is
trini,
and
I'm
also
here
on
behalf
of
mvc
bra.
As
david
said
since
june,
we
have
called
for
a
resident-led
task
force
to
review
mvpd's
policies
and
budget
tonight.
City
staff
is
recommending
a
public
safety
advisory
board,
which
is
tasked
with
holding
even
more
public
forums.
I
This
will
be
in
addition
to
the
city,
council
and
town
hall
meetings,
where
hundreds
of
community
members
spent
countless
hours
voicing
their
concerns
in
the
hrc,
listening
forums
during
which
there
were
266
expressions
of
the
need
for
improvement
from
mvpd.
The
community
has
showed
up
time
and
time
again
to
ask
the
city
for
change.
I
I
This
conversation
that
we're
having
is
both
is
not
just
about
trust.
This
is
about
right
and
wrong.
It's
wrong
that
students
go
to
school
in
fear
of
sros,
it's
wrong
that
people
experiencing
a
crisis
see
a
cop
before
they
see
a
mental
health
expert,
it's
wrong
to
prioritize
good
pr
over
accountability.
Thank
you.
A
D
A
A
A
B
D
A
So
that
motion
passes
unanimously.
We
can
move
on
to
item
number
five,
which
is
business
items.
It's
5.1
the
update
and
discussion
of
the
race,
equity
and
inclusion
action
plan.
This
item
includes
updates
from
the
hrc's
community
engagement
on
local
policing,
the
mvpdx
community
police
educational
program
and
the
mvpd
research.
Fellow.
A
This
item
also
includes
a
presentation
of
staff's
recommendation
regarding
a
community
police
oversight
model
for
mountain
view.
Subcommittee
members
will
ask
any
questions
they
have
following
each
of
the
presentations.
The
public
comment
period
will
follow
the
conclusion
of
committee
member
questions
related
to
the
staff's
recommendation
on
community
police
oversight
model.
K
Good
evening,
chair
command
and
members
of
the
subcommittee
and
members
of
the
public
wanted
to
begin
tonight
by
providing
an
update
on
what
the
city
has
been
up
to
over
the
since
we
last
met
october
5th,
as
we
do
have.
One
of
the
one
of
the
components
of
the
action
plan
is
for
celebration
and
recognition
of
diversity
and
the
mountain
view
library
put
on
a
number
of
events
to
do
so.
K
K
K
B
B
B
We
did
extensive
outreach
to
inform
people
about
the
opportunity
to
participate
and
to
encourage
that
participation
with
the
multilingual
community
outreach
program,
using
their
networks
and
doing
one-on-one
contact
to
people
who
are
spanish
speaking
and
mandarin
speaking,
we
did
emails
to
dozens
of
local
organizations,
multiple
rounds
of
posting
through
social
media
posting
of
flyers
and
and
other
methods,
and
we
provided
people
a
few
different
ways
that
they
could
make
their
stories
heard.
First,
we
had
virtual
listening
forums
with
small
group
dialogues.
B
B
So
we
had
181
stories
collected
through
these
various
participation
methods
and
what
our
partner
peninsula
conflict
resolution
center
did
was
to
review
the
notes
from
the
forums
and
also
the
written
online
story
submittals
and
the
transcripts
from
the
interviews
and
identify
keywords
that
they
then
grouped
into
themes,
and
then
they
counted
each
time.
A
theme
was
present
in
one
or
more
of
the
stories
now.
B
Some
stories
could
have
multiple
themes,
a
combination
of
potentially
positive,
negative
and
neutral
themes,
even
within
the
same
story
and
the
stories
and
the
themes
in
the
stories
can
overlap
and
interrelate.
While
an
analytical
approach
was
used.
It
is
true
that,
with
narrative
expressions
like
this,
there
is
some
subjective
judgment
in
how
to
group
and
label
the
themes.
B
B
So
the
point
to
make
from
that
is
that
the
findings
from
the
engagement
process,
it's
not
possible
to
generalize
those
to
the
mountain
view,
population
as
a
whole
or
to
particular
subgroups.
Within
the
mountain
view,
population,
however,
they
still
do
preside,
present
a
robust
bust
set
of
experiences
and
and
that
really
reflect
the
lives
in
the
lived
experiences
of
and
voices
of
a
number
of
people
in
mountain
view.
B
B
These
were
stories
where
the
service
provided
by
the
police
solved
a
problem
or
addressed
an
issue
in
a
way
that
was
helpful
for
the
storyteller
and
then
the
last
one
I'll
read
is
the
pleasant
police
interactions,
and
these
are
stories
where
the
storyteller
experienced
the
police
officer's
behavior
in
a
way
where
they
were
friendly
and
caring
moving
on
to
expressions
of
concern
and
need
for
improvement.
Again,
I'm
not
going
to
read
all
of
these,
but
you
can
see
them
here
on
the
screen.
B
B
There
was
a
mention
earlier
in
public
comment
that
this
is
where
comments
about
dissatisfaction
with
the
presence
of
school
resource
officers
in
schools
are,
but
that's
not
all
41
mentions.
This
also
includes
a
number
of
stories
where
people
wanted
to
have
an
alternative
resource
for
addressing
mental
health
needs.
B
B
That
was
referenced
by
both
the
hrc
members
and
by
the
public,
which
was
held
last
night,
and
these
things
will
be
described
in
greater
detail
in
the
written
report
that
I
mentioned,
and
the
presentation
that
hrc
will
make
of
that
report
to
the
full
council
on
december
1st,
and
with
that
I'm
available
for
questions.
If
you
want
to
do
that
now
or
share,
if
you'd
like
to
wait
until
the
other
updates
are
provided.
A
B
B
We
also
had
polls
within
the
forums,
but
people
did
not
across
the
board
participate
in
those
polls
in
the
online
story.
We
did
not
ask
that
information,
although
some
people
volunteered
it
in
the
course
of
telling
their
story
and
in
the
one-on-one
interviews
there
were
some
some
observations
that
the
interviewer
could
make
with
regard
to
the
the
race
or
other
demographics
of
the
interviewee.
But
we
do
not
have
those
frequencies
divided
by
demographic
and
we
would
not
be
able
to
provide
that.
D
B
And
we
thought
we
can't
unfortunately
even
say
that
of
all
so
there's
181
stories
that
wasn't
181
people,
because
there
were
a
few
people,
not
very
many,
but
a
few
people
who
gave
more
than
one
story
of
different
interactions
that
they'd
had
with
the
police
and
so
of
those
181
stories.
We
would
not
be
able
to
tell
you
how
many
of
those
stories
were
of
different
demographic
backgrounds
and
also
we
cannot
break
up
the
findings
in
that
way.
B
But
we
we
did
have
outreach
that
we
did.
That
indicated
that
there
was
reluctance
to
participate
in
the
process.
On
behalf
of
this,
many
people
in
the
spanish-speaking
community
because
of
feelings
of
of
of
fear
and
just
not
being
sure,
was
it
okay
to
come
and
talk
and
and
open
and
honest
way
about
about
their
experiences.
If
not,
you
know,
sometimes
not
even
just
here
but
in
other
places,
and
then
I
would.
J
A
Great,
thank
you
and
then
I
just
have
two
things.
One
is.
I
know
that
the
full
report
will
be
given
to
council
on
the
first,
but
I
know
that
there
was
conversation
of
also
trying
to
make
sure
that
this
information
lives
on
the
rei
website
is.
Is
that
true
we're
going
to
try
to
make
that
available
as
well.
B
So
the
the
human
relations
commission
subcommittee
is
doing
kind
of
the
last
rounds
of
edits
and
finalization
of
the
report
and
a
transmittal,
which
is
a
brief
summary.
I
don't
have
a
specific
date
by
which
that
will
be
done
and
posted,
but
what
I
can
do,
if
it
is
of
use,
is
to
post
the
slides
that
I
presented
this
evening
on
the
rei
webpage,
which
will
give
kind
of
the
the
big
top
line
on
the
themes.
A
J
Sorry,
I
had
one
more
question
so
in
the
forums
when
you
had
the
response.
Various
responses,
positive
and
negative,
were
those
all
first-hand
experiences
or
were
there
some
that
were
you
know,
people
conveying
other
people's
experiences
or
what
they
thought
might
have
happened.
If
it
was
someone
else,
I
I
didn't,
I
didn't
watch
to
be
on
it.
You
know,
he'll,
be
all
frank,
a
little
busy.
I
didn't
get
to
watch
him,
but
I
had
heard
from
some
participants
about
what
happened,
and
so
I
just
wanted
to
yeah
understand.
B
H
A
You
all
right,
thank
you,
I
don't
see
any
more
hands,
I
do
see
hands
in
the
attendee
box
and
I
just
want
to
let
folks
know
we
are
hearing
on
the
various
reports
and
then
we'll
move
to
public
comment.
So
I
just
want
to
remind
folks
that
have
their
hand
raised
that
we
will.
We
will
hear
from
you
we're
just
making
our
way
through
so
shall
I
turn
it
back
to
you,
mr
gaines.
K
L
Great
thank
you.
I
wanted
to
just
give
a
little
bit
of
a
chance
here
and
before
I
do
deputy
chief
jung
serving
here
and
soon
to
be
taking
over
in
the
role
of
police
chief
at
the
end
of
december,
and
I'm
glad
to
be
here
and
give
you
just
a
chance
and
an
opportunity
to
share
a
little
bit
about
a
program
that
we
held
over
the
past
couple
months.
L
I
do
want
to
say
that
we've
had
a
long
history
of
listening
and
engaging
and
being
a
part
of
our
very
vibrant
community.
We
very
much
enjoy
all
of
the
different
opportunities
that
we've
had
to
interact
with
our
community,
especially
the
ones
pre-coronavirus,
and
I
look
forward
to
the
day
that
we
can
do
that
again.
L
Mvpdx
was
originally
modeled
after
a
stanford
hospital
engagement
program
where
community
leaders
and
executives
basically
attended
like
a
two-day
program
where
they
learned
about
the
hospital
so
kind
of
following
that
format
we
set
up-
and
this
actually
took
place
earlier
in
a
pre-chronovirus
environment
where
we
were
able
to
give
a
two-day
experiential
kind
of
show-and-tell.
If
you
will
to
a
cohort
of
people.
L
We
recognized
that
we
needed
to
create
a
space
for
community
members
to
come
and
speak
to
us
directly
about
their
questions
and
their
concerns
and
learn
and
digest
this
information
and
have
direct
access
to
subject
matter.
Experts
not
only
to
receive
answers
to
their
questions,
but
also
to
discuss
with
us
their
vision,
their
thoughts
and
hopes
when
it
comes
to
what
policing
might
look
like
in
mountain
view,
so
that,
ultimately,
we
could
be
leaders
in
our
profession
and
not
only
for
in
the
region
but
across
the
country.
L
L
As
you
can
see
here,
we
built
the
program
to
be
very
much
of
a
listening
and
learning
environment
where
community
participants
would
be
able
to
ask
us
questions
and
share
concerns
in
a
safe
space
and
in
turn
we
could
discuss
with
them
pleasing
mountain
view
and
share
our
our
goals
and
vision,
as
it
relates
to
our
community
and
hear
from
them
about
collaborative
efforts
and
potential
for
improvements
to
truly
make
us
to
be
at
the
forefront
of
progressive
policing.
So
it
wasn't
an
environment
where
we
wanted
to
to
basically
preach
at
anybody.
L
We
were
very
much
in
a
high
listening
mode
ourselves
to
to
find
out
more
about
how
the
community
felt
initially,
the
program
was
built
out
into
seven
days,
primarily
taking
place
over
zoom
and
with
the
final
day
being
one
that
the
participants
would
build
themselves
based
on
what
had
been
discussed
and
what
had
they'd
wanted
to
explore
earlier
so
week
to
week,
certain
topics
rose
to
the
top.
Some
might
get
parking
lotted
and
returned
to
and
some
some
maybe
they,
the
cohort
felt
they
didn't
have
as
much
interest
in
so
they
would
move
on.
L
G
L
L
With
those
parameters,
officers
within
the
department
would
join
twice
weekly
conversations,
either
from
their
office
or
their
homes,
to
listen
in
with
the
group,
a
total
of
10
different
residents
to
start
hear
their
concerns
and
as
allowable
share
their
own
stories
feedback
and
apply
teaching
moments.
So
pretty
much.
Every
member
of
the
leadership
team
and
many
members
of
the
department
kind
of
rotated
through
and
just
shared
from
their
own
areas
of
subject
matter
expertise.
L
L
L
I
L
The
cohort
and
the
members
of
the
police
department
have
very
frank
discussions
about
what
it
meant
to
continue.
This
conversation
and
the
cohort
provided
additional
feedback
stating
that
they
wanted
to
have
even
more
time,
exclu
to
really
talk
and
drill
down
even
more
on
these
different
types
of
changes
and
ideas,
we
learned
from
the
cohort
that
more
time
wasn't
just
needed
it
was
wanted
and
that
the
group
wanted
the
opportunity
to
connect
to
converse
and
to
collaborate.
L
Despite
all
these
differences
and
different
mindsets,
mentalities
and
backgrounds-
something
really
came
out
of
this
was
just
the
desire
to
interface,
to
talk
to
come
to
the
table
and
listen
and
really
have
a
genuine
dialogue
and
conversation.
So
there
are
a
lot
of
profound
discussions
on
topics
such
as
school
resource
officers.
Pre-Textual
stops
mental
health
outreach
and,
while
this
work
is
really
only
beginning,
these
conversations
were
pivotable
pivotal
for
all
of
us
to
better
understand
the
different
suggestions
that
are
out
there.
L
L
J
Thank
you
and
thank
you
chief
to
be
for
the
presentation,
so
I
I
you
mentioned
next
steps.
Has
there
been
some
thought
about?
It
sounds
like
there'll,
be
a
second
cohort.
Is
the
idea
to
continue
to
do
this?
I
don't
know
how,
often
in
a
year
or
or
do
you
have
other
thoughts
on
what
what
could
happen
with
the
group.
L
Yeah
on
the
in
the
theme
of
adaptability,
we
definitely
want
this
to
be
a
common,
maybe
either
bi-annual
or
three
times
a
year
type
of
event,
ideally
in
person.
So
it's
much
more
experiential
that
way,
but
it
is
in
the
plans-
and
I
guess
the
underlying
tone
there
is
it's
going
to
be
very
adaptive
to
what
the
current
events
are
and
really
where
the
cohort
in
question
at
the
time
takes
us.
So.
J
Yes,
what
is
what
would
you
say
that
expectations
are
for
the
participants
in
terms
of
like
what?
What
what
did
you,
what
did,
what
did
they
say
they
wanted
to
get
out
of
it?
Did
they
get
out,
get
what
they
wanted
to
get
out
of
it?
Yes,
what
was
what
was
some
of
the
feedback,
some
of
the
quotes
that
were.
L
J
L
D
Thank
you,
and,
and
thank
you
for
the
presentation.
I
think
this
is
a
great
program
and
I'm
looking
forward
to
seeing
many
residents
participate
just
again
going
back
to
demographics.
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
value
in
making
sure
that
many
different
communities
within
mountain
view
are
able
to
participate,
and
so
I'm
I'm
presuming
that
this
is
english
driven.
Are
you
looking
at
having
cohorts
that
are
conducted
entirely
in
spanish
or
or
mandarin
or
other
languages.
L
I
think
that's
probably
in
a
like
a
phase
two
or
three
if
we
can
pull
it
off.
I
think
these
first
few
was
proof
of
concept
and
knowing
now
that
we're
good
to
go,
we
certainly
have
the
staff
on
hand
that
are
bilingual
and
and
could
likely
pull
it
off.
On
the
mandarin
side,
I'm
going
to
have
to
brush
off
a
little
bit
of
my
chinese
school
days,
but
definitely
would
be
of
interest
of
mine
as
well.
D
That's
phenomenal,
I'm
glad
to
hear
that
and
then
within
the
participants
for
the
existing
or
they
get
the
first
cohort
you
know
are
we:
is
it
a
fairly
racially
and
ethnically
diverse
group,
or
are
you
finding
over-representation
from
from
certain
groups?
How
are
we
sort
of
promoting
it?
So
that
way
we
have.
You
know
a
very
good
representation
across
the
community.
L
Yes,
it
was,
it
was
quite
a
diverse
group.
The
way
we
picked
it.
We
wanted
voices
that
were
different
than
ours,
that
you
know
and
so
actually
there's
a
few
attendees
in
the
audience.
Now
I
don't
know
if
they
want
to
share,
but-
and
so
you
know,
we-
it
was
a
cross
section,
so
we
made
an
effort
to
not
make
it
just
to
find
police
supporters.
L
If
you
will
but
groups
like
mvc
pra,
and
you
know
a
lot
of
these-
the
phone
numbers
that
we
got
over
the
summer
of
people
voicing
very
serious
concerns.
We
you
know
we
kept
tabs
with
them
and
invited
them
and
say.
Would
you
like
to
take
this
next
step
and
just
have
more
conversations
and
I'm
really
happy
that
they
took
them,
took
us
up
on
that
offer.
D
That's
great,
thank
you
and
then
final
question.
This
is
probably
a
little
bit
more
challenging,
but
I
know
one
of
the
challenges
with
great
programs.
Like
leadership
mountain
view
is,
they
occur
during
work
hours.
You
have
to
take
a
full
day
off,
and
so
it's
maybe
less
accessible
to
lower
income
people,
and
I
think
I
think
this
is
the
kind
of
program
that
we
would
like
to
be
accessible
to
to
everybody.
So
just
maybe
for
for
our
benefit,
you
know,
are
these:
this
is
a
full
day
right.
L
Yeah,
actually,
the
format
for
this
one
were
evening
like
after
hour,
after
work
hours,
typically
two
to
three
hours
like
on
a
wednesday
night,
and
then
there
were
a
few
sessions
that
were
longer
on
a
saturday
or
sunday,
but
the
the
feedback
we
got.
I
mean
that's
a
lot
too,
to
kind
of
take
a
day
off
a
saturday
away
from
somebody
too,
so
we're
continually
kind
of
tweaking
it
and
taking
the
feedback.
We've
got
from
the
participants
to
then
retool
the
next
one
and
maybe
to
your
point,
we'll
probably
keep
it
after
hours.
A
K
Yeah
at
this
point,
I'd
actually
like
to
introduce
our
research,
fellow
who
we
recently
brought
on
sir
alex
stevenson.
A
lot
of
this
is
going
to
be
repetitive
again,
because
we're
talking
about
policing
and
part
of
my
report
is
discussing
some
of
the
things
we're
looking
to
further
address,
but
we're
very
happy
to
bring
on
mr
stevenson
as
a
research
fellow
allow
him
to
introduce
himself
actually
I'll.
K
L
H
L
H
L
Let
alex
dive
a
little
bit
more
into
that
led
to
a
process
to
look
around
and
find
a
researcher
who
had
a
background
and
some
expertise
in
this
area
and
really
the
way
it's
going
to
work
is
alex,
is
reporting
to
the
office
of
the
chief
in
my
meetings
with
him,
as
you
will
find
he's
very
intelligent,
bright
and
really
it's
he's
been
given
unfettered
access
throughout
the
department,
and
our
leadership
has
made
it
clear.
You
know
wherever
he
wants
to
look
whatever
data
he
wants
to
have.
L
We've
already
been
working
with
him
to
to
to
help
him
understand
it,
but,
more
importantly,
to
help
him
give
us
advice
on
how
to
understand
the
data
in
a
very
scientific,
rich
kind
of
way.
So
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
alex
to
let
him
introduce
himself
and
maybe
talk
about
a
little
bit
about
the
program
as
well.
M
M
What
we
can
learn
and,
more
importantly,
what
we
can't
learn
from
observational
data
as
well
as
ways
that
we
can
potentially
design
programs
that
are
appropriately
from
a
research
design
perspective
designed
to
give
us
actual
causal
answers
to
questions
of
interest.
And
so
I
understand
this
program
and
part
of
the
reason
that
I
applied
to
it
was
that
hakeem
jefferson,
who's
professor
at
stanford
university,
is
a
person.
M
I
have
utmost
respect
for
and
anita
ravi
shankar,
who,
I
believe
currently
is
working
at
the
lab
in
dc,
but
is
also
a
university
of
michigan
phd,
who
I
also
have
utmost
respect
for
were
the
primary
reasons
that
I
applied
to
the
program.
So
I
met
the
deputy
chief
as
well
as
audrey
and
melvin
later
in
the
process.
M
So
that's
what
drove
me
to
the
program.
As
the
chief
said,
I
thus
far,
I've
had
more
or
less
unfettered
access.
I
believe
that
to
continue
I'm
very
grateful
for
that
opportunity
and
I
think
it
shows
at
least
a
commitment
at
this
stage,
as
I've
explained
to
deputy
chief
and
other
leaders
in
the
police
department.
M
My
job
as
I
understand
it
is
to
be
disinterested
in
the
best
way
possible
in
that
I'm
to
look
at
the
data
that
exists,
but
also
importantly,
the
data
that
does
not
exist
in
the
department
and
then
also
think
of
ways
that
we
might
be
able
to
design
interventions
to
improve
not
only
community
relations
but
maybe
improve
other
aspects
of
the
department
for
the
benefit
of
the
community.
I
am,
admittedly,
this
is
my
first
local
council
meeting.
A
Well,
I
guess
first
we'll
just
say:
welcome,
thank
you
for
thank
you
for
coming
to
the
subcommittee
meeting.
It
sounds
like
you
hit
the
ground
running
with
the
city
staff,
and
and
now
you
can
meet
the
three
of
us
of
our
seven
member
council.
I
don't.
I
I'm
not
sure
if
my
colleagues
have
have
any
questions
at
this
point
or
I'm
sure
they
just
want
to
say
hello
as
well,
and
and
thank
you
for
for
for
joining
us,
and
I
think
for
myself
really
interested
in
in
the
data
aspect.
A
I
think
some
of
the
questions
you
might
have
been
hearing
earlier
from
my
colleagues.
You
know
we're
really
looking
at
ways
to
disaggregate,
if
possible,
truly
understand
both
how
the
data
is
collected.
You
know
what
goes
into
that
metric,
but
also
what
does
that
mean
right?
What's
the
story
and
being
able
to
connect
to
the
dots
to
true
policies
is
at
least
something
of
interest
of
mine
and
so
welcome
all
right
I'll
turn
it
back
to
mr
gaines.
K
A
K
K
K
K
K
K
K
Communities
that
often
have
investigative
agencies
are
communities
that
have
experienced
the
significant
erosion
of
trust
and
goodwill
and
sometimes
have
had
controversial
events
considering
auditing
or
monitoring
agencies.
Those
agencies
are
agencies
which
perform
systematic
reviews
of
police
operations
and
internal
investigations,
and
they
ultimately
make
recommendations
for
how
police
agencies
can
improve
their.
K
They
hire
professional
auditors,
who
would
be
those
auditing,
the
police
operations,
auditing,
the
police
personnel
investigations
and
then
they'd
make
recommendations
to
the
police
chief
and
the
elected
officials,
whether
it
be
a
city,
council
or
board
of
supervisors,
as
well
as
a
city
manager
or
a
city
administrator
again.
The
auditing
and
monitoring
oversight
body
does
not
provide
many
opportunities
for
members
of
the
public
to
provide
their
input
into
what
occurs
and
similar
to
the
investigative
agencies.
K
They're
normally
comprised
of
diverse
community
members,
sometimes
resident
community
members
other
times
community
members
who
are
representative
of
different
professions.
Maybe
people
who
are
mental
health
professionals
or
people
who
represent
the
faith
community
or
people
who
represent
the
activist
community,
will
participate
in
a
task
force.
K
They
also
are
essentially
the
body
of
task
force.
Members
are
those
who
are
expected
to
make
community
input,
so
it's
not
common
for
non-task
force
members
to
have
the
opportunity
to
provide
input
to
that
body.
So
the
the
meat
of
the
input
that
is
provided
by
task
force
are
often
only
from
task
force.
Members
ultimately
task
forces
make
recommendations
to
elected
officials
or
city
administrators
or
the
police
department,
and
of
the
communities
that
have
task
forces.
K
The
final
body
which
spoil
alert
is
is
my
recommendation,
is
the
review
boards
and
commission
models.
They
are
diverse
in
their
makeup,
but
ultimately
they
either
inform
and
and
review
police
policies
and
discuss
public
safety
matters
in
order
to
make
recommendations
to
improve
public
safety
in
a
locality.
K
Typically
they're
comprised
of
resident
community
members.
But
there
are
many
different
types
of
review
boards
and
commissions.
Some
review
boards
and
commissions
are
appointed
by
police
chiefs.
Some
review
boards
and
commissions
have
members
who
are
appointed
by
elected
officials,
and
some
community
review
boards
are
also
kind
of
self-appointed.
K
K
K
K
Looking
at
mountain
view,
crime
statistics
you'll
you'll
quickly
notice
that
the
predominant
or
most
prominent
type
of
crime
in
mountain
view
are
property
crimes,
burglaries
and
like
auto,
auto,
burglaries
and
things
of
that
matter.
But
ultimately,
mountain
view
is
a
relatively
safe
community
and
there
isn't
much
to
suggest
that
the
crime
rates
in
mountain
view
have
led
to
a
call
for
additional
oversight
of
mountain
view.
I
don't
think
that
additional
oversight
is
merited
based
off
of
mountain
view.
Crime.
K
K
The
the
fact
of
the
matter
is
we
we
don't
know
yet
we
don't
know
and
we're
very
interested
in
finding
out
you've
heard
from
deputy
chief
shong
today,
you've
heard
from
alex.
We
are
actively
looking
at
the
data
that
exists,
as
well
as
trying
to
identify
the
data
that
doesn't
exist
in
ways
to
collect
it,
because
we
are
trying
to
answer
this
question
and
again,
once
we
find
an
answer
to
that
question
or
have
a
report
on
that
data.
K
It
would
be
a
good
opportunity
for
community
members
to
provide
input
on
that
data
and
to
tell
the
story
of
how
that
data,
how
they
think
we
should
respond
to
that
data
as
well
as
to
share
their
experiences,
because
the
data
alone
can,
as
we've
seen
from
the
hrc
listening
forums.
The
data
tells
one
story,
but
people's
experiences
are
valid
as
well.
An
oversight
board
where
community
members
can
share
their
concerns
and
make
improvement
recommendations
would
be
an
effective
tool
to
enhance
our
efforts
as
we
try
to
address
any
potential
bias
that
exists.
K
Ultimately,
mvpd
has
a
low
use
of
force
to
arrest
ratio
from
2015
to
2019
mvpd
made
8408
arrests,
and
that
was
and
of
those
8408
arrests.
There
are
145
documented
uses
of
force,
which
is
less
than
two
percent
of
those
interactions.
There
was
a
use
of
force,
nvpd
documents,
a
use
of
force
anytime,
either
an
officer
reports
that
they
used
force
or
when
a
person
who
was
arrested
or
had
an
interaction
with
the
police
officer
reports
that
they
that
use
of
force
was
used
or
that
they're
injured.
K
K
K
What
we
know
is
we,
you
know
we
don't
have
extensive
complaints
that
suggest
the
need
for
an
investigative
body
or
an
auditing
agency.
Currently,
the
mvpd
personnel
complaints
are
audited
by
the
city
attorney's
office
and
it's
a
small
number
that
we
receive
per
year.
So
it's
something
that
seems
to
be
working
and
we
also
don't
have
a
significant
amount
of
tension
between
mvpd
and
community
members
that
suggest
there's
a
high
level
of
community
distrust
of
mvpd.
K
K
We
have
a
number
of
community
members
who
would
like
to
see
changes
to
mbpd's
responses
to
mental
health,
related
calls
for
service
and,
as
you've
heard
tonight,
some
some
community
members
would
like
us
to
modify
how
we
operate
in
schools,
whether
or
not
school
resource
officers.
These
are
all
valid
concerns
that
I
believe
we
need
to
further
discuss
and
a
task
force.
K
A
temporary
task
force
could
be
an
effective
vehicle
to
explore
these
issues,
but
the
recommendation
to
ultimately
have
a
public
safety
advisory
body
is
due
to
our
belief
that
that
better
serves
the
community.
It
provides
the
opportunity
for
community
members
to
discuss
public
safety
matters
and
to
learn
more
about
public
safety
matters
and
to
provide
voice
to
the
community
as
a
whole
on
public
safety
matters,
but
it
does
so
on
a
sustained
basis,
as
opposed
to
being
a
focused
six-month
effort.
K
The
public
safety
advisory
board
that
we
are
suggesting
would
act
solely
in
an
advisory
capacity.
They
they
don't
write
policy.
That
is
the
city
council
approves
policy,
but
they
can
make
recommendations
on
policy
matters,
so
would
be
tasked
with
holding
public
forums
where
they
could
receive
additional
community
input
beyond
that
of
the
members.
K
K
Ultimately,
we
are
looking
for
this
subcommittee
to
provide
input
on
two
things
we
want
to
know
one.
Do
you
agree
with
our
recommendation
to
create
a
public
safety,
advisory
board
and
we'd
also
like
to
know
any
general
feedback
you
have
regarding
the
characteristics
of
the
public
safety
advisory
board.
K
Depending
on
your
input
and
your
recommendations,
we
intend
to
present
the
recommendation
to
the
full,
the
full
city
council
on
december
1st,
and
if
the
city
council
approves
the
public
safety
advisory
board,
the
city
manager
and
police
chief
will
appoint
staff
liaisons
and
will
develop
a
recruitment
plan
and
bring
that
back
for
bring
applicants
back
to
the
city
council.
For
appointment
and
with
that.
That
concludes
my
presentation
figure
out
how
to
stop
sharing
my
screen.
J
K
Depend
the
timing
isn't
perfectly
worked
out
yet,
however,
we
are
anticipating
this
occurring
once
once
we,
the
advisory
body,
is
approved
by
the
city
council.
We
would
immediately
develop
a
recruitment
plan
that
probably
would
require
appointment
of
members
at
a
time
that
is
different
from
other
advisory
bodies.
J
Okay,
yes,
so
if
it's
okay
to
make
comments,
that
would
be
the
preferences
to
try
to
get
all
of
these
commissions.
In
sync,
we
have
a
few
that
are
out
of
sync
right
now
that-
and
we've
discussed
this
as
a
appointments
review
committee,
but
we'd
like
to
try
to
get
it
in
sync.
So
it's
frankly
just
you
know
more
efficient
and
less
staff
time
and
then
is
there
a
thought
as
to
how
often
this
advisory
board
would
meet.
As
I
know,
some
of
our
commissions
meet
twice
a
month.
J
K
C
Thank
you
vice
mayor
command,
yes,
and
so
mayor,
abby
koga,
I
think
as
far
as
the
timing
and
how
often
the
advisory
board
would
be.
I
think
that
is
really
going
to
depend
on
what
we
have
going
on
in
terms
of
what
the
advisory
body
is
going
to
discuss
initially.
So
I
think
you
mentioned
that
their
advisory
bodies
meet
at
different
times,
and
so
I
I
see
that
this
body
would
probably
meet
over
time
a
few
times
a
year.
C
I
don't,
I
don't
know
if
it
would
meet
monthly,
like
all
of
the
other
advisory
bodies.
Do
because
not
all
of
them
meet
monthly,
or,
I
should
say,
like
some
of
the
advisory
bodies.
Do
I
think
it's
really
going
to
depend
on
what
we
have
on
the
agenda
what's
happening.
So
I
I
don't
necessarily
want
to
commit
now
to
an
exact
time,
but
I
think
certainly
it
would
meet
frequently,
but
I
think
we
would
have
to
iron
out
exactly
how
often
it
would
meet.
J
C
Thank
you
mayor.
So,
yes,
I
think
we
do
have
an
idea
based
on
a
lot
of
the
feedback
that
has
come
out
of
this
subcommittee
on
what
some
of
the
most
pressing
topics
would
be
coming
out
of
this.
So
we
certainly
hear
that
there's
a
lot
of
demand
for
discussion.
Further
discussion
about
the
mental
health
aspect
or
calls
for
service
for
homelessness
related
calls.
So
so
I
think
that's
certainly
something
that
would
be
discussed
just
general
relationships
with
the
community.
I
think
that's
something
that
that's
coming
out
of
this
too.
C
We
have
already
changed
many
of
our
use
of
force
policies,
but
I
think
that's
something
that
that
could
be
explored
further.
So
I
do
think
that
a
lot
of
topics
have
come
out
of
this
subcommittee
meetings
over
the
last
several
months,
but
that
is
something
that
I
think
we
will
work
to
recommend
as
the
as
the
months
go
forward,
what
the
topics
would
be,
but
I
definitely
think
there's
there's
a
lot
that
that
we
can
tackle
once
the
board
gets
going.
J
Great,
thank
you.
Yes,
I
can
add
comments,
so
my
thought
was
since
this
our
subcommittee
is
actually
ad
hoc
at
some
point.
It
will
come
to
an
end,
but
a
lot
of
these
issues
that
we
are
exploring
are
going
to
take
more
time.
So
my
my
thought
was
that
perhaps
this
advisory
board,
if
it's
form,
can
continue
in
the
work.
The
other
question
I
had
was
when
we
talk
about
public
safety.
J
G
K
There
there
was
thought
not
specifically
to
to
get
into
fire
an
ems
as
a
public
safety
matter.
However,
in
regards
to
some
of
the
discussions,
we're
having
about
policing
right,
if
you're
going
to
discuss
whether
or
not
the
police
department
should
be
responding
to
mental
health,
then
that's
that
mental
health
response
could
become
a
public
safety
response
that
is
not
really
related
to
police.
So
that's
why
we
wanted
to
leave
it
at
public
safety,
because
it's
more
encompassing
of
the
different
things
that
we
may
discuss.
J
D
D
K
Yes,
we
were
able
to
look
at
mvpd
personnel
complaints
from
2016
through
2019,
and
in
that
period
there
were
29
personnel
complaints
of
the
of
those
29
personnel
complaints.
10
were
initiated
internally,
like
not
by
a
a
resident
initiated
by
members
of
the
police
department
and
of
those
internally
initiated
complaints.
Seven
were
sustained
of
the
19.
K
Civilian-Initiated
complaints
one
was
sustained
in
seven
of
those
instances.
The
personnel
complaints
were
determined
to
be
false
allegations
after
the
police
department
reviewed
the
officer
warren
camera
footage.
In
five
instances
the
officers
actions
were
in
endurance
with
the
department
policy
and
in
five
instances
the
complainants
actually
decided
not
to
cooperate
with
future
investigations.
So
none
of
those
were
sustained
19
complaints
from
2016
through
2019,
of
which
one
was
sustained.
D
K
Yes,
so
with,
were
we
to
have
an
independent
investigator
looking
at
mbpd
personnel
complaints
right
now
that
that
person
might
be
able
to
look
at
if
you're,
looking
at
the
average
of
the
number
of
complaints
we
received
per
year,
that
independent
investigator
would
be
investigating
five
complaints
per
year
based
off
of
current
trends.
Similarly,
with
auditing
an
auditing
agency
where
a
we
to
create
a
department
or
have
an
independent
auditor
review,
the
investigation,
complaint
processes
and
proceedings,
they
would
also
be
looking
at
about
five
instances
per
year.
C
Thank
you
vice
mayor
command.
I
would
also
know
that,
and
a
more
investigative
and
auditing
function
is
is
very
much
not
community
involved
at
all,
in
the
sense
that
it
tends
to
be
someone
that
the
city
would
contract
with
to
provide
that,
and
then
the
public
may
or
may
not
get
the
results
depending
on
the
legalities
of
it
all
or
what
what
the
the
auditor
investigator
would
find.
D
Got
it
okay,
thank
you.
That's
that's
very
helpful
and
then
so
I
think
if
you,
you
did
a
good
job
sort
of
touching
on
this
as
well
in
the
presentation,
the
primary
difference
between
a
task
force
and
the
body
that
staff
is
recommending
that
we
create
is
that
this
new
body
would
could
be
sustained
over
time
as
opposed
to
a
time
limited
task
force,
so
in
every
other,
respect,
they're,
they're,
functionally
equivalent.
K
Functionally
yes,
a
task
force
would
by
design
and
include
more
people
initially
like,
like
other
cities
who
have
task
forces
have
like
13
to
20
task
force
members
who
are
focused
on
these
matters
for
that
fixed
period
of
time.
We're
recommending
is
a
body
of
up
to
seven
members
who
would
be
exploring
policing
issues
and
making
recommendations
on
public
safety
matters,
but
on
a
sustained
basis.
A
Great
thank
you.
So
I
think,
given
that
these
are
the
questions
we
can
move
on
to
to
public
comment
after
this,
so
I
will
so
our
meeting
is
scheduled
to
end
at
seven.
So
in
order
to
ensure
that
we
are
able
to
hear
from
all
speakers
and
make
sure
that
we
end
on
progress
through
the
meeting,
speakers
will
be
allowed
up
to
90
seconds
to
speak.
A
A
N
Okay,
let's
have
a
couple
of
things.
Thank
you
so
I
participated
in
mvpdx
and
also
the
hrc
sessions,
and
I
just
wanted
to
comment
that
the
discussions
that
took
place
within
mbpdx
and
in
the
hrc
sessions
were
somewhat
different
regarding
the
take
on
the
status
quo,
and
I'm
just
saying
that,
because
you
might
need
to
contend
with
that.
Ultimately,
your
subcommittee
in
some
way
that
said
forming
this
advisory
body
sounds
very
good
to
me,
but
how
it's
set
up
is
going
to
be
crucial.
N
It
varies
quite
a
bit
and
I'd
like
to
see
that
strengthened
across
the
board
for
all
advisory
bodies,
but
if
this
one
is
formed,
it's
going
to
be
important
that
what
they
feedback
is
actually
used
and
put
into
play,
where
appropriate
and
on
the
question
of
whether
it
should
be
public
safety
and
not
just
the
police
department.
I
totally
agree
with
that.
N
For
the
reasons
stated,
it's
the
question
really
does
cover
the
fire
department
and
emergency
services
and
mental
health
services
and
variety
of
other
things
that
have
been
talked
about
within
the
community,
and
so
I
really
urge
you
to
make
this
full
public
safety
and
its
scope,
and
also
mention
that
sunnyvale
their
police
department
falls
within
a
department.
That's
comprehensive,
like
that.
I
think
it's
actually
called
the
public
safety
department.
Thank
you.
O
I
didn't
expect
to
go
so
early,
hey
all
right
so
first
off,
I
also
was
a
member
of
mvpdx
cohort
one,
and
I
want
to
thank
wally,
armando
mike
saul
and
especially
katie
for
putting
it
on.
I
really
appreciate
the
time
and
effort
they
put
into
it.
I
don't
recall
anyone
saying
they
came
in
expecting
to
hate
the
pt
but
yeah.
I.
O
A
Please
feel
free,
you
can
just
unmute
yourself
yeah.
I
didn't
have
a
comment.
I
don't
know.
Oh
okay,
okay,
your
hand
was
raised,
but
we
can
think
we
have
a
way
of
lowering
it
all
right,
all
right
and
missy
muramberg.
I
think
this
is
the
same
alexandra
brown
as
before,
all
right
does
anyone
else
have
any
comments,
all
right,
seeing
none.
I
will
move
it
back
to
the
panel
council,
member
ramirez.
D
D
D
It's
been
a
challenging
year.
I
had
a
conversation
with
with
a
member
of
city
staff
earlier,
and
we
were
talking
about
the
complexity
of
the
issues
that
we're
contending
with
and
between.
You
know,
housing
issues,
coveted
response.
You
know
the
racial
equity
and
justice
issues
that
we're
we're
working
on.
It's,
it's
not
all
going
to
be
resolved
at
one
time
and
I
think,
having
an
a
sustained.
You
know,
community
body
that
looks
at
these
issues
and
makes
recommendations
to
the
council,
has
access
to
staff
and
is
supported
by
staff.
D
I
think
that
that
that's
a
great
start
just
for
whatever
it's
worth,
I'm
not
a
pot.
I
think
auditing
generally
is
an
important
concept.
We've
talked
about
this,
I
think
in
in
our
goal,
setting
a
while
back.
So
it's
not
something
that
I
think
we
should.
We
should
not
consider
at
all,
but
I
think
melvin
provided
some
very
helpful
statistics
about
whether
there's
a
there's
a
need
for
it
right
now,
but
just
as
a
concept,
I
think
it's
something
that
we
might
want
to
explore
over
time.
D
J
Go
ahead,
so
I
guess
I
will
second
the
motion,
the
staff
recommendation
and
I
just
wanna
thank
staff
for
all
of
your
hard
work
over
the
last
several
months
on
the
various
issues
that
we've
been
discussing,
and
I
want
to
thank
our
public
members
too,
who
have
participated
in
this.
You
know
a
little
disappointed.
J
For
instance,
you
know
I've
done
been
doing
quite
a
bit
of
learning
it
myself
over
the
last
several
months
and
this
issue
of
mental
health
providers
and
alternative
service
delivery
model,
and
though
it
sounds,
you
know
it
sounds
like
easy.
You
know
folks
refer
to
oregon,
often
in
the
cahoots
model.
I've
discovered
it's
actually
quite
complex
because
of
our
relationship
with
the
county.
J
You
know
the
count
as
someone
mentioned.
Yes,
the
county
has
a
program,
but
they
are
unable
to
staff
it
adequately.
There's
funding
issues.
I
know
that
we've
begun
to
look
at
whether
we
could
do
something
on
our
own.
There
is
a
a
non-profit
who
has
is
looking
at
trying
to
launch
a
pilot
program,
but
you
know
if
we
want
to
talk
about
just
in
terms
of
the
delivery
and
the
vehicles
you
know
if,
rather
than
having
folks
transported
in
police
cars,
let's
say
we
wanted
ambulances
to
transport
them.
J
Well,
the
issue
is
the
ambulances
are,
is
not
a
city
run
program,
it's
run
by
the
county
that
contracts
out
to
a
private
provider.
So
there
are
a
lot
of
layers
to
all
of
this,
and
so
we
have
to
really
you
know,
untangle
unpack,
all
of
this
to
really
be
able
to
just
figure
out
what
can
work
for
us.
So
it
is
it's
an
ongoing,
very
detailed
issue,
and
I
am
I'm
glad
that
we
are
engaging
in
this.
J
I'm
also
glad
that
you
know,
in
light
of
it's,
it's
been
challenging
for
me
because
I
you
know,
understand
the
national
tenor.
What's
happened
nationally
and
we
you
know,
I
think
we
all
want
to
be
mindful
and
respectful
of
that,
but
we've
you
know
had
to
we've
been
trying
to
relay
that
to
what's
happening
in
mountain
view,
and
I
think
the
story-
and
you
know
I.
I
appreciate
the
stories
that
have
come
out,
but
you
look
at
the
data.
J
The
stories
we're
a
very
different
situation,
we're
not
minneapolis
and
we're
not
atlanta,
we're
mountain
view,
and
you
know
I've
spent
the
last
four
months
frankly
walking
the
streets
reaching
out
to
people
attend,
participating
in
forums
and
I've
heard
from
a
lot
of
people.
And
frankly,
it's
been
mostly
positive.
I
had
a
gentleman
just
out
of
the
blue
to
say
to
me
the
a
couple
of
weeks
ago.
You
know
I
have
to
hand
it
to
mountain
view,
you
we
have
the
best
police
department
and
fire
department
around.
J
So
you
know,
I
that's
the
story
that
I
I've
also
heard,
and
I
think
it's
important
to
you
know
to
be
to
acknowledge
all
of
that.
We,
as
council
members,
have
to
represent
the
entire
city.
You
know
appreciate
the
folks
who've
been
engaging
in
this,
but
again
there's
a
there's,
different
perspectives
out
there
and
we
frankly
hear
from
a
lot
of
people,
and
I
think
we
get
a
pretty.
J
J
That's
you
know,
the
terminology
may
have
changed,
but
perhaps
that
could
be
shifted
to
this
advisory
board.
I
know
there
is,
you
know,
talk
about
interest
about
budgeting.
We
can
all
include
that
the
mental
health
issue
provision
piece
can
be
incorporated,
and
then
one
request
I
would
have,
however,
is
that
the
appointees?
J
We
talk
about
ambassadors
to
the
larger
community,
because
the
reality
is
is,
I
think
this
idea
of
public
safety
is
kind
of
a
mystery
to
many
people.
There's
not
a
lot
of,
and
I
don't
expect
folks
to
understand
the
ins
and
outs
I
mean
it
took
me
quite
a
few
years
to
really
delve
into
you
know.
How
does
the
fire
department
work?
How
does
ems
work?
J
J
I
served
on
two
myself
and
so
I've
always
been
very
cognizant
of
the
the
recommendations
that
our
advisory
boards
and
commissions
bring
to
us
as
council
members,
but
I
do
also
having
been
on
the
commissions
and
now
on
council,
understand
the
difference
and
that
the
advisory
boards
and
commissions
are
in
fact
that
they're
advisory.
They
provide
recommendations.
J
Ultimately,
however,
the
job
of
the
council,
it's
the
job
of
the
council,
to
set
the
policy
and
make
the
decisions
based
on
the
recommendations
we
received.
So
I
just
want
to
be
clear
of
that,
and
you
know
I
hear
the
this
desire
to
have
more
authority,
but
it's
just
how
the
system
is
set
up.
It's
really
the
council
that
has
to
make
the
policy
so
yeah
there's
always
opportunity
every
two
years
to
run
for
council.
If
that's
of
interest
for
folks,
so
I
just
yeah.
J
A
D
Audrey
about
the
form
that
was
conducted
in
spanish,
isn't
particularly
important
because
that's
that's
a
community.
That's
a
little
bit
more
challenging
to
reach,
and
you
know,
may
have
some
thoughts
that
are
different
from
from
from
you
know
what
you
may
hear
in
the
english
forum
for
as
for
instance,
and
so
making
sure
that
we
we
do
as
a
good
job
as
we
can
to
to
make
sure
that
we're
we're
not
losing
those
voices
in
the
input
that's
being
provided.
A
A
I've
been
reflecting
a
lot
actually,
since
we've
been
put
back
into
this
purple
tier-
and
I
would
say
you
know
one
of
the
things
I
think
about
often
is
kind
of
our
what
we've
tried
to
create
as
a
as
a
tagline
through
this
pandemic,
which
is
together
mv,
and
I'm
really
hoping
that
the
recommendation
that
this
subcommittee,
you
know
will
put
to
the
full
council,
is
a
product
of
together
envy.
You
know
the
four
listening
sessions,
the
events
through
the
library
and
the
pdx.
A
I
hope
this
is
a
way
for
our
community
to
come
together
and
in
light
of
the
tragedies
that
have
been
occurring
in
2020.
You
know,
I
would
also
say
covid.
The
covet
pandemic
disproportionately
affects
people
of
color
and
communities
of
color
right.
So
I
just
don't
want
that
to
be
lost.
I
know
a
big
focus
has
been
on
policing,
but
I
think
that
at
least
for
myself,
I'm
interested
in
all
of
the
inequities
that
we're
facing
in
our
community
and
how
we
can
do
that
holistically.
A
So
in
that,
in
that
vein,
I
just
wanted
to
ask
staff
as
we're
thinking
about
this
item.
Coming
back
to
the
full
council,
I
think
it
would
be
helpful
to
also
understand
the
timeline
of
this
ad
hoc
subcommittee.
So
you
know,
we've
talked
about
equity-based
budgeting.
We've
talked
about
we're
talking
tonight
about
this
public
safety
advisory
body.
We've,
you
know,
talked
about
a
couple
of
different
things,
and
so
I
think,
in
terms
of
just
providing
that
transparency
to
the
public,
you
know.
Are
there
things
on
our
work?
A
A
A
I
think
in
terms
of
the
staff
recommendation
appreciate,
particularly
mr
gaines
walking
us
through
the
thought
process
of
staff
and
I'd
like
to
also
say
you
know,
I
think
I'll,
be
supporting
the
staff
recommendation
as
well,
and
I
think
it's
also
that
this
is
a
first
step.
I
see
this
as
the
first
step
and
the
the
city
will
continue
to
do
many
different
things
in
conjunction
with
setting
up
this
advisory
body.
A
So
you
know:
should
the
the
data
that
mr
stephenson
is
working
on,
you
know,
in
conjunction
with
the
recommendations
of
the
advisory
board,
point
us
in
a
different
direction
in
terms
of
what
the
city
should
do.
I
think
that
council
would
be
open
to
hearing
to
that.
So
I
I
I
would
say
this
is
to
me.
Yes,
just
a
an
an
initial
moving
in
the
in
what
I
think
is
the
right
and
correct
direction,
but
we
also
have
the
ability
to
to
pivot.
If,
if
need
be,
I
like
that
it
is
a
you
know.
A
A
You
know,
I
don't
know
if
that
would
be
something
of
interest
to
them,
but
serving
as
the
council
youth
subcommittee
chair,
I
would
love
to
see
more
youth
engagement
and
that's
just
one
example
right,
so
I
do
think
that
there's
a
variety
of
perspectives
that
can
come
into
that
that
body.
So
I
think
I
answered
both
questions
one
and
two,
and
hopefully
that
gives
staff
enough
food
for
thought
and
then
I
think,
just
to
circle
back
to
something
I
said
earlier,
which
is
yeah.
A
I
did
attend
the
first
portion
of
the
the
report
out
last
night.
I
know
not
all
of
my
colleagues
have
that
opportunity.
I
know
that
will
be
available
before
the
december
first
council
meeting,
but
for
anybody
who
you
know
doesn't
have
that
information,
I
think
trying
to
put
that
up
would
be
would
be
very
helpful.
A
A
So
I
really
want
to
make
sure
that
we
are
meeting
people
where
they
are
so,
whether
it's
the
scheduling
of
the
times
for
the
mvpdx
or
the
outreach
methods.
You
know,
I
think
that
that
would
be
that
that
deserves
some
some
thought
as
well,
and
then
I
know
that
there
will
be
there's
a
recommendation.
I
think
for
police
command
staff,
as
well
as
someone
from
the
city
manager's
office
to
staff
the
advisory
body.
I
think
it'd
be
helpful
too,
for
maybe
the
public
to
understand
what
command
staff
means.
A
I
think
that's
a
pretty
tech,
at
least
to
me
that's
kind
of
this
this
term,
and
I
would
I
would
want
to
better
understand
if
I'm
you
know
going
to
be
on
this
body.
What
that
really
means,
because
I
want
to
make
sure
my
voice
is
heard
right.
So
I
think
perhaps
just
putting
that
in
for
the
december
1st
report
could
be
helpful
all
right.
Yes,
mayor,
abbey
koga,
you
see
your
hand.
J
J
One
thing
I
just
wanted
to
mention
too
and
anywhere
past
time,
but
the
you
know
public
talked
about
sros,
and
I
I
wanted
to
I.
This
is
something
I
realized
was
that
we
have
two
high
schools
in
mountain
mountain
view
and
los
altos
high
schools
that
our
students
attend.
My
understanding
is
our
police
department.
J
Jurisdiction
is
from
mountain
view,
high
school,
but
los
altos
high
school
is
actually
under
los
altos
pd
police
department.
So
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
that
distinction
is
understood,
because
it's
not
all
about
what
our
police
department
is
doing,
and
you
know
we
do
have
a
neighboring
city
that
that
covers
the
schools
that
some
of
our
students
go
to.
J
A
A
D
A
D
C
So
councilmember
ramirez-
this
is
the
final
meeting
for
this
year
and
I
think,
as
the
vice
mayor
noted,
we
will
bring
back
the
staff
report
on
december
1st
and
I
believe
the
the
mayor
noted
also.
There
are
certain
things
that
we
will
make
sure
that
we
are.
We
will
incorporate
in
the
december
first
staff
report,
and
so,
if
there's
are
still
remaining
items
that
we
need
the
subcommittee
to
provide
feedback
on
or
we
want
to
make
sure
that
you
have
the
information
to
then
provide
a
recommendation
to
counsel.
C
A
Great
all
right,
so
anyone
else,
okay,
seeing
none
I'll
move
to
item
7,
which
is
a
german
and
this
meeting
is
adjourned
at
7
05
pm
all
right.
Thank
you
very
much
to
everyone
really
appreciate
it,
and
I
think
I
won't
see
everyone
so
have
a
happy
thanksgiving
stay,
safe,
stay
content.
Thank
you.
Everyone
take
care.