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Live Teleconference of the April 19, 2023 Meeting of the Environmental Planning Commission
A
Good
evening,
everyone
welcome
to
the
environmental
Planning
Commission
meeting
of
April
19
2023
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A
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agenda
item
3.1
environmental
Planning,
Commission,
meeting
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March
15,
2023
and
March
22nd
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Zoom.
A
All
right,
thank
you.
Moving
on
to
agenda
item
5.1
code
amendments
to
chapter
36,
zoning
of
the
city
code
in
the
downtown
p19
precise
plan
to
repeal
the
sidewall
Cafe
program
and
replace
it
with
a
new
outdoor
patio
program.
We'll
first
have
a
staff
presentation.
Then
questions
by
the
EPC,
followed
by
public
comment
at
the
closure
of
public
comment.
The
commission
will
then
deliberate
and
take
action.
Staff
presentation
will
be
from
Krishna
penalar
project,
planner
and
Lindsey
Hagan
assistant
community
development
director
also
in
attendance.
Our
Aruna
boduna
I,
hope
I
pronounced
that
right.
F
To
provide
some
context
to
the
proposed
amendments,
I'll
briefly
explain
the
previous
programs
that
have
led
to
the
changes
to
the
existing
outdoor
dining
program
prior
to
the
kova
19
pandemic.
An
Associated
Children
Place
orders,
businesses
in
downtown
who
previously
wanted
to
have
outdoor
dining,
were
permitted
to
do
so
through
the
Sidewalk
Cafe
program.
F
The
program
allowed
for
operations
in
the
sidewalk
areas
of
Castro
Street
and
the
cross
streets,
as
well
as
in
parking
stalls
along
Castro,
Street
and
private
property
adjacent
to
the
sidewalk.
The
program
acquired
a
license
agreement
and
annual
renewal,
both
administered
by
the
planning
division
as
it
lived
in
Article
15
of
the
zoning
ordinance.
The
design
of
outdoor
dining
was
primarily
oriented
towards
operations
adjacent
to
vehicular
traffic
and
required
traffic.
Rated
planters
on
June
9
2020
city
council
created
the
Castro
streets
program
and
closed
the
100
to
400
blocks
of
Castro
Street
for
outdoor
operations.
F
This
closure
allowed
businesses
to
operate
outdoors
with
minimal
design
requirements,
as
the
program
was
intended
to
support
business
operations
due
to
the
limitations
of
operating
indoors,
which
was
required
by
the
shelter
in
place.
Orders
businesses
are
currently
operating
under
the
existing
program,
which
is
anticipated
to
Sunset
by
January
2024.
F
As
part
of
this
adoption,
staff
identified
interim
pedestrian
law
implementation
measures,
which
required
establishment
of
new
standards
and
guidelines
on
March
20
2023.
The
council
ad
hoc
committee,
approved
The
Pedestrian
Mall
standards.
Guidelines
to
ensure
consistency
in
the
downtown
area
staff
is
recommending
that
The
Pedestrian
Mall
standards,
guidelines
reviewed
by
the
ad
hoc
committee
and
recommended
for
approval
should
be
applied
to
the
larger
downtown
area.
These
new
guidelines
for
outdoor
activities
are
called
The,
Downtown
Mountain
View
outdoor
patio
standards
guidelines
and
will
replace
the
previous
Sidewalk
Cafe
program.
F
The
new
program
provides
new
patio
layout
furnishings
and
activities
permitted
in
The
Pedestrian
Mall
area
outdoor
activities
are
permitted
in
the
program
zone
of
The
Pedestrian
Mall,
as
shown
in
the
image
above
as
well
as
sidewalk
areas
and
private
property
throughout
the
downtown.
These
procedural
changes
in
implementation
of
the
new
guidelines
require
code
changes.
F
Furthermore,
additional
clarification
for
outdoor
activities
will
be
clarified
in
the
downtown
precise
plan
to
clarify
no
changes
to
permitted
outdoor
activities
for
private
property,
outdoor
merchandise,
dining
and
live.
Entertainment
will
continue
to
be
permitted
in
commercial
areas
of
the
downtown,
but,
as
stated
prior
cone,
changes
are
needed
to
continue
permitting
these
activities.
F
The
outdoor
patio
standard
guidelines
document
have
already
been
recommended
for
approval
by
the
council
ad
hoc
committee
and
are
going
to
be
reviewed
by
Council,
along
with
these
code
changes
that
is
before
EPC
tonight.
Therefore,
in
conclusion,
staff
recommends
for
EPC
to
recommend
city
council
to
approve
the
proposed
text,
amendments
to
chapter
36
and
the
downtown
precise
plan
to
repeal
The
Sidewalk
Cafe
program
and
replace
it
with
references
to
the
new
outdoor
patio
program,
as
these
changes
are
within
epc's
purview.
D
D
So
this
was
one
of
my
questions
was
specifically
the
section
if
you
for
the
Commissioners
the
way
The
Pedestrian
model
is
defined.
It
goes
to
this.
What's
called
West
Evelyn
and
doesn't
continue
down
it
stops
that
mid
block
and
doesn't
go
all
the
way
to
the
end
of
the
the
100
block
of
Castro
Street.
D
E
D
G
D
F
And
for
clarification,
The
Pedestrian
malls
do
end
at
the
East
Evan
East
Evelyn
avenue
leg,
so
you're
correct
that
they
technically
are
not
part
of
The
Pedestrian
malls
area.
However,
we
are
going
to
study
their
potential
for
having
outdoor
dining
on
a
case-by-case
basis
with
considerate
consideration
that
they
maintain
a
bike
slot
which
is
right
next
to
their
Frontage
area.
D
I
Good
evening
jarian
Commissioners,
yes,
I'm
Don,
Cameron
Public
Works
director.
So,
as
as
was
being
mentioned,
we
do.
We
do
have
the
capability
during
this
interim
Pedestrian,
Mall
period,
that,
while
that
traffic
lane
in
front
of
their
businesses
is
closed
off
to
traffic
and
it
will
remain
closed
off
for
the
time
being
weekend,
issue
licenses
and
allow
them
to
operate
out
there
kind
of
create
an
area
treat
it
more
like
a
extended
sidewalk
use
in
that
case,
since
there's
no
cars
allowed
on
that
traffic
lane.
I
But
we
do
want
to
make
sure
we
don't
block
the
bike
lane
that's
out
there,
but
it
will
be
temporary
because
what's
going
to
be
happening
is
if
everything
works
out
in
about
two
years.
Well,
maybe
probably
for
this
section
we're
about
two
years
away.
We
are
going
to
start
construction
of
the
grade
separation
project
and,
as
part
of
that,
Evelyn
will
be
realigned
to
follow
Castle,
Street
and
connect
through,
and
there
won't
be
any
partlets
in
front
of
those
businesses.
I
There
might
there'll
be
an
extended
patio
area
which
we,
after
that
construction
is
done.
We
may
be
able
to
still
continue
to
let
them
use
it
temporarily,
and
then
the
next
step
for
all
of
this
is
in
the
next
three
to
four
years
start
the
process
of
planning
and
designing
What's
called
the
permanent
Pedestrian
Mall,
and
for
that
permanent
pedestrian
wall.
What's
going
to
happen,
is
we
are
going
to
rip
up
everything
sidewalks,
treats
everything
completely
rebuilded
all
at
one
level
and
through
that
process
we'll
be
redefining
outdoor
dining
all
along
these
blocks?
I
As
we
now
create
this
new
Pedestrian
Mall,
we
won't
know
what
that's
going
to
look
like
until
we
go
through.
What
we're
planning
to
do
is
a
very
extensive,
robust,
Community
engagement
and
design
process
for
the
permanent
Pedestrian
Mall,
so
the
next
two
to
three
years
is
going
to
be
a
learning
of
how
everything's
working
with
the
existing
conditions
out
there.
Some
people
have
heard
me
talk
about
nothing
permanent
is
getting
installed.
Everything
has
to
be
movable.
We
want
to
be
able
to
just
move
things
around,
learn
from
it.
I
It
will
help
us
get
ready
for
the
permanent
mall.
Allow
us
to
stay
flexible
in
working
with
the
businesses
and
support
them
to
the
greatest
extent
possible,
including
the
businesses
that
you're
referring
to
commissioner
Cranston
and
then,
but
they
are
going
to
those
four
businesses
are
going
to
be
somewhat
disrupted
when
it
is
time
for
us
to
construct
the
grade
step
and
realign
Castro
and
Evelyn,
and
we
will
be
reopening
that
street
at
that
time
to
automobile
traffic,
so
we'll
work
with
them.
D
I
Straightened
so
that
has
been
changed
that
has
been
changed
and
we
have
presented
to
both
the
Castro
paired.
My
ad
hoc
Committee
of
the
city
council,
as
well
as
we
recently
went
to
the
council
Transportation
committee
and
showed
them
that
that
alignment
has
changed
to
be
more
of
as
an
s-curp
connection.
Instead
of
two
two
90
degree
turns,
and
that
was
able
to
be
done
because
of
closing
the
100
block
street
to
traffic.
I
So
we're
going
to
have
a
much
more
elegant
design
to
that
connection
through
which
is
actually
going
to
create
a
larger
Plaza
area
in
front
of
some
of
these
businesses
as
well
and
I'm.
Sorry
I,
don't
have
I
can't
put
on
screen
for
you.
What
that
would
look
like
I
didn't
tee
it
up
for
you
all.
It
is
available.
If
you
looked
at
the
council,
Transportation
committee
meeting
packet
from
April
10th
it's
in
there,
but
we
can
send
it.
We
can
also
just
send
it
to
you
after
can't.
D
Rules
to
the
full
precise
plan
area,
specifically
changing
from
the
four
feet
permitted
on
the
sidewalk
to
eight
feet.
If
it's
extended
into
the
side
streets,
there
are
a
lot
of
businesses,
Red
Rock
Cafe.
Does
it
uses
the
side
streets,
they're,
I,
counted
about
eight
different
businesses
along
there
that
are
currently
have
seating
on
the
sidewalk
on
the
side
streets?
In
addition,
if
it
were
to
extend
down
as
far
as
the
like,
where
the.
D
Some
of
that
space,
Mediterranean
grills
using
some
of
that
space
when
it's
coffee
think
of
the
name,
there's
a
business
right
next
to
it.
How
is
this
by
going
from
eight
feet,
to
four
feet,
to
eight
feet?
Do
those
businesses,
you
know
no
more
seating
on
on
Dana's
on
the
Villa
Street
side
of
Red
Rock,
no
more
outdoor
seating
at
Dana,
Street,
Coffee,
no
more
seating
in
Mifflin,
101.
H
H
I
think
part
of
the
extended
width
is
to
address
concerns
that
have
been
raised
over
the
years
about
sidewalk
cafes
in
the
past,
particularly
in
the
100
block,
they've,
gotten
really
congested
with
umbrellas
other
tables.
That
start
inching
inching
inching
into
the
point
where
you
get
kind
of
traffic
jam
in
the
sidewalk
area.
So
I
think
part
of
this
eight
foot
is
to
respond
to
the
need
to
provide
clear
space
for
pedestrians
to
be
able
to
get
through
the
area.
H
But
you
do
raise
a
great
point
that
I
think
we
did
mention
in
the
staff
report
of
this
will
impact
some
businesses
and
how
they're
currently
laid
out
some
of
the
ones
you
mentioned.
For
example,
Starbucks.
They
actually
have
extended
curb
areas
where
there's
sort
of
seating
on
both
sides
of
the
sidewalk
and
I.
Think
in
those
cases
and
I
guess,
I
would
defer
to
Public
Works
on
this,
but
in
those
cases,
as
long
as
there's
an
eight
foot
width
kind
of
maintained,
we
can
consider
those
seating
areas
as
part
of
the
licensing
program.
I
I
I've
also
been
told
by
staff
that
we've
gone
out
and
looked
at
some
of
these
areas,
and
in
many
of
these
areas
they
can
still
have
two
person
tables
if
they
keep
it
right
up
against
the
building
and
they'll
be
able
we'll
still
be
able
to
meet
the
clearance
requirements.
So
we
we
will
do
our
best
to
work
with
businesses
to
you
know,
issue
the
licenses
agreements.
If
you
know
if
there
is
adequate
room
for
them
to
have
a
table
out
there,
but
still
maintain
a
nice
clear,
pedestrian
pathway.
J
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
if
I
may
actually
want
to
follow
up
a
little
bit
on
that
I
have
a
number
of
questions,
but
I.
Think
Bill's
question
is
the
great
place
to
start
I'm
curious
to
know
what
Outreach
was
done
in
advance
of
drafting
these
or
what
Outreach
was
and
after
you
drafted
them.
But
before
tonight
did
you
talk
to
the
chamber?
Did
you
talk
to
the
business
owners
that
are
potentially
going
to
be
affected
by
some
of
these
changes?
How
much
Outreach
was
done.
I
So
I
will
say
that
Public
Works,
Community
Development
and
particular
economic
Vitality
manager,
John
Lang,
we've
all
been
working
in
lockstep
and
partnership.
There
has
been
extensive,
Outreach
and
communication
done
with
stakeholders
for
the
last
year
about
all
of
this.
I
know
that
the
guidelines
and
standards
and
updates
and
everything
that's
been
planned
has
been
down
to
the
sent
to
the
downtown
committee.
More
than
once
it
Chamber
of
Commerce
has
been
involved.
I
I
K
J
H
So
sorry,
if
I
can
add
one
more
thing,
this
is
tangentally
related
to
this
question.
Part
of
also,
what's
being
considered
is-
and
this
will
also
be
going
to
council-
is
considering
a
small
grant
program
to
assist
some
of
these
businesses
with
purchasing
for
Furnishings
that
might
align
with
this
program.
So
I
think
we
really
tried
to
think
you
know,
as
City
staff
kind
of
comprehensively
of
what
this,
what
this
new
program
and
rolling
it
out
you
know,
and
how
to
continue
supporting
the
businesses.
J
That's
a
great
idea,
so
a
few
more
granular
questions,
so
one
of
them
I
was
really
going
to
puzzle
by
in
the
the
new
patio
guidelines,
it
appears
to
prohibit
dancing.
I
had
kind
of
like
a
footloose
moment.
Helped
me
understand
why
you
would
why
the
city
would
want
to
prohibit
dancing
at
non-amplified,
Live,
Events.
H
So
part
of
it
is
purely
sort
of
a
spatial
limitation,
and
so
the
other
kind
of
piece
to
this
is
in
terms
of
the
activities
that
are
allowed
in
in
these
patios.
Really,
the
primary
one
is
the
outdoor
dining
and
some
of
these
other
activities
that
are
outlined
in
the
The
Patio
guidelines
are
really
sort
of
secondary
uses,
so
the
live,
entertainment
is
sort
of
a
secondary
aspect
of
it
and
so
really
I
think.
At
the
end
of
the
day,
it
comes
down
to
spatial
space.
J
That
no
I
I
can
understand
that
I.
Perhaps
if
I
could
make
a
suggestion,
is
it
rather
than
prohibit
it
and
I'm
not
saying
you've
got
to
turn
it
into
a
dance
club,
I
I
wish
that
it
were
possible,
and
maybe
you
just
had
to
ask
the
city
for
permission
and
if
the
city
said
yeah
right,
the
space
you
want
to
do
it
in
is
is
under
control.
Yeah
we'd
be
fine
with
that.
J
J
J
L
Sure,
thank
you
krisha.
Thank
you
chair
for
the
question.
This
is
Aruna
boduna,
Transportation
planner.
The
reason
for
tents
are
considered.
Lucretia
said
you
know
some
kind
of
temporary
structures
and
we
are.
We
are
planning
for
interim
Pedestrian
Mall,
where
we
are
seeing.
No
structure
structures
are
permitted
because
those
will
require
some
harnessing
into
the
ground
and
due
to
the
winds,
you
know
we
have
seen
some
issues
with
you
know
with
the
tent
like
structures
as
well.
So
that
was
a
concern.
L
Safety
concern
as
well
and
right
now
we
are
planning,
as
I
said,
for
the
incident
Pedestrian
Mall,
we
are
saying
no
permanent
structures
are
are
primitive
in
the
interim
interim
conditions
during
when
we
plan
and
envision
for
the
future
permanent
model
conditions,
it
could
be
different.
It
could
be
a
plan
differently
at
that
time,
but
during
the
course
for
the
internet
for
the
next
three
to
five
years
of
the
structures
are
being
prohibited
because
those
are
permanent
changes
to
the
street.
I
Okay,
if,
if
I
could
also
add
on
so
as
as
Transportation
badona
was
mentioning,
not
only
are
they
considered
structures,
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
everything
has
to
be
movable
one
of
the
reasons.
Why
is
this
is
still
a
street?
It's
also
still
a
drainage,
Channel
you're
going
to
get
a.
You
know
the
wanes
that
we
got.
You
were
still
going
to,
hopefully
we'll
keep
getting
rains
during
the
winter
and
the
other
key
thing
is.
I
We
need
to
be
able
to
now
that
there's
so
much
eating
and
drinking
happening
in
the
street
and
all
the
spills
we
are
going
to
be
pressure
washing
those
streets
at
least
twice
a
year,
which
is
one
of
the
reasons
we
need
everybody
to
take
everything
down,
move
things
out,
so
we
can
give
the
street
a
thorough
cleaning
and
the
tents
that
were
being
put
up
got
bigger
and
bigger.
They
had
to
be
way
down
specially
or
they
would
blow
over
they.
They
were
not
very.
They
started
to
create
more
problems.
I
We
were
working
with
them
to
help
them
do
as
much
business
as
possible.
They
are
fully
allowed
to
use
their
indoor
capacity
again
and
now.
The
outdoor
dining
is
more
of
an
enhancement
and
amenity.
It's
it
does.
It
is
to
activate
the
street
as
well,
but
it
does
not
necessarily
mean
then,
that
we're
setting
this
up
to
be
an
all-weather
condition,
and
as
and
this
is
typical
with
other
outdoor
Pedestrian
Mall
locations-
is
that
you're
not
necessarily
necessarily
setting
it
up
that
it's
going
to
make
it
through?
I
I
So
the
reason
originally
we
said
no
electric
heaters
is
because
we
have
not
been
abled
one.
There
is
no
there's
no
way
to
plug
in
an
electric
heater
in
the
street,
because
no
we're
not
going
to
allow
the
cords
and
the
extension
cords,
and
all
of
that,
so
we
don't
have
an
electrical
support
system
and
we
were
not
able
to
find
models
of
electric
heaters
that
were
battery
operated
or
solar
powered,
or
something
like
that
that
looked
like
that
could
work.
However,
we
know
technology
is
constantly
changing.
I
New
products
are
coming
on
the
market,
so
we
have
made
a
revision
to
the
guidelines
based
upon
the
direction
we
received
from
the
ad
hoc
committee,
which
also
just
plain
made
a
lot
of
sense.
Where
it
does
now
say,
electric
heater
shall
be
solar
or
battery
powered
solar
panels
must
not
present
safety
hazards,
so
they
can't
be
big.
Huge
right
and
generators
cannot
be
used
to
power
them.
J
What
do
you
imagine
pick
a
random?
You
know
restaurant
anywhere
on
Castro
Street?
Is
there
anything
they're
going
to
have
to
do
other
than
sort
of
the
the
width
of
the
tables
and
having
the
ADA
compliance
sort
of
wheelchair
accessible
tables
evenly
dispersed
throughout
whatever
their
footprint
is?
Is.
J
Going
to
have
to
do
are
they
going
to
have
to
build
like
a
little
ramp
that
goes
from
you
know
the
front
of
the
business
down
over
the
curb
into
the
patio.
Is
there
anything
else
you
imagine
they're
going
to
have
to
do
and
have
you
kind
of
thought
through
how
to
make
this
really
how
to
help
these
businesses
not
get
sued
for
Ada
technical,
knock
compliance.
I
We're
working
closely
again
with
the
economic
Vitality
manager,
laying
in
terms
of
working
towards
this
as
you're,
saying,
to
provide
full
accessibility
and
support
the
business
isn't
doing
so.
I'm,
not
a
complete
expert
in
terms
of
related
to
the
businesses
themselves,
but
I
can
tell
you
what
we're
planning
so
first
off
the
city
is
going
to
be
providing
the
patio
barriers
and
we're
going
to
be
setting
them
up
and
every
one
of
them
is
going
to
be
set
up
with
an
opening
out
to
the
central
walkway
in
the
street.
I
That
is
ADA
Compliant,
so
for
any
business
that
has
outdoor
dining
in
the
street
patrons
will
be
able
to
get
to
that
outdoor
dining
area
from
the
central
walkway
now
to
assist
in
getting
to
the
central
walkway.
Not
only,
of
course,
do
we
have
the
curb
ramps
at
the
intersection
corners
and
every
block
has
a
mid-block
Crossing.
I
We
are
going
to
be
putting
in
some
additional
ramps
that
are
going
to
be
between
the
mid-block
crossings
and
the
corners
that
will
connect
from
the
stairs
down
to
the
central
walkway
between
the
patio
barriers,
so
that
there
are
frequent
places
where
people
can
get
from
the
sidewalk
down
to
the
street
level,
and
then
they
can
access
these
areas
from
the
street
level.
One
of
the
comments
and
concerns
we
did
here
at
the
ad
hoc
committee
was
the
portable
ramps
that
you
can
just
buy.
I
They
tend
to
be
aluminum,
they
tend
to
be
noisy.
So
we've
been
asked
to
research
what
we
can
do
to
put
ramps
out
there
that
look,
look
nice
and
aren't
too
noisy.
So
we
are
still
investigating
that
because
here's
the
other
goal
we
want
them
to
be
movable,
because
one
of
the
things
we're
trying
to
do
here
is,
as
the
vacancies
are
filled
and
new
businesses
come
in
if
they
would
like
an
outdoor
patio
area
and
right
in
front
of
there.
But
we
we
put
a
ramp
right
there.
I
We
want
to
be
able
to
move
it,
so
we
can
set
something
up
for
them.
There's
going
to
be
a
lot
of
public
spaces
between
the
that
that
the
city
is
going
to
program
and
put
Furnishings
in
and
we're
prepared
to
move
those
around
as
the
business
needs
change
as
well.
So
but
that's
I
know
that's
a
longer
answer,
but
the
short
answer
is:
we
are
making
arrangements
to
make
it
more
accessible
to
get
from
the
sidewalk
to
the
street
more
frequently
along
the
block.
K
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
Thank
you
for
your
help.
Thank
you
for
the
reports.
The
information
is
very
well
appreciated
by
all
of
us
here
on
the
commission,
but
also
in
the
community.
I've
got
a
few
questions.
They're,
not
that
difficult
it'll
be
easy
to
answer.
I'm
not
going
to
do
any
gotcha
things,
but
I
have
to
ask
you,
though,
how
many
times
or
have
there
been
any
incidents
throughout
the
last
year
or
two
of
people
dancing
in
the
streets
on
Castro.
H
K
Exactly
so,
I
agree
with
chairman
Dempsey
about
the
use
of
the
word
of
prohibit,
because
that
implies
a
legal
connotation
and
for
me,
if
you're
going
to
do
something
like
that,
you
better
have
precedent.
Let's
have
some
examples
of
when
this
was
an
issue
to
use
such
a
strong
word,
while
we're
going
to
codify
this
language.
K
I
understand.
My
second
question,
though,
is
for
those
businesses,
those
four
that
were
that
are
going
to
be
affected
because
of
restrictions
per
se.
Now
I
understand
you
did
community
outreach
I'm
a
little
cynical
I'm.
Sorry.
So
if
you
can
guarantee
me
that
these
four
businesses
were
spoken
to
by
someone
from
the
staff,
I'll
believe
you,
but
if
you
just
say
General
Outreach
and
it
was
done
and
made
I
may
not
believe
you
and
again
I'm
not
being
disrespectful.
K
It's
just
my
nature,
because
I
know
a
lot
of
these
businesses
and
I
have
a
different
Viewpoint
from
from
yourself
in
terms
of
the
outdoor
space.
I,
totally
understand
why
we
have
to
regulate
it
with
certain
things
being
allowed
and
not
allowed,
but
you
know
I
would
like
to
suggest
that
our
mindset
should
stay
the
same
in
terms
of
economic
vitality
and
Castro
is
the
heart
and
soul
of
the
city
of
Mountain
View,
with
its
restaurant
options
and
the
outdoor
facilities
that
it
offers.
K
K
Not
all
businesses
are
created
equal,
they
don't
all
have
the
shame
the
same
outside
space,
so
it's
a
little
uneven
and
when
we
leveled
the
playing
field
to
have
that
be
open
to
every
business
understanding,
its
limitations,
I
think
that's
where
the
growth
came
back
of.
Not
only
are
we
in
it
together,
but
we'll
be
able
to
beat
this
together
and
economically
speaking,
these
businesses
are
restaurants.
Our
friends
that
are
there
on
Castro
Street
have
been
blossoming.
I,
wouldn't
want
to
roll
that
back.
K
E
So
I
was
looking
I
think
if
I
understood
you
correctly,
it
might
have
been
mentioned,
or
at
least
the
last
that
I
could
find
it
mentioned
was
in
the
October
11th
Council
report
and
it
does
kind
of
say
something
to
the
effect
of
you
know.
Outreach
will
continue
and
I
think
there
was
a
meeting
with
like
the
downtown
business
committee
or
something
like
that.
I
guess
I'm
just
curious
or
wondering
what
the
feedback
was
like
specifically,
what
was
the
feedback
collected
like
how
many
people
were
spoken
to?
What
was
the
preponderance
of
feedback?
E
Like
20
people
said
they
wanted?
You
know
umbrellas.
Eight
people
said
they
wanted
bike
racks
like
what
was
the
prevailing
like
data
or
information
gathered
from
this
Outreach
or
or
any
available
up
to
this
point,
because
it
would
be
actually
helpful
to
understand
some
of
the
like
Quantified
feedback.
L
E
We
met
100
people,
25
of
them
said
they
were
interested
in
parks,
80s
in
affordable
housing
right
like
is
there
anything
similar
that
you
can
share
with
the
commission
here
regarding,
you
know,
sentiment,
feedback,
Outlook
business
impact
like
what
were
the
you
know,
concerns
or
feedback,
and
how
are
they
Quantified
and
what?
What
were
the
results
or
outcomes?
Up
to
this
point,.
L
Sure,
thank
you.
Thank
you,
ma'am.
Thank
you,
commissioner,
for
your
question
for
repeating
the
question.
Oh
I
know
we
did
not
quantify
all
those
results
in
the
in
your
report,
however,
in
October
11
you're
talking
about
the
establish
of
the
establishment
of
pedestrian
malls.
Yes,
the
feedback
was
well
documented
in
the
council
reports.
Prior
to
that
staff
did
conduct
several
Outreach
meetings.
L
Once
The
Pedestrian
Mall
was
established
to
seek
feedback
from
the
businesses
on
the
interim
guidelines
that
you're
reviewing
right
now
we
have
conducted
blog
by
Block
office
hours
for
each
block.
You
know
staff
allocated
time
on
each
block
and
businesses
would
come
and
talk
to
us.
We
do.
There
was
General
feedback.
There
was
not
a
yes
or
no
vote
at
these
meetings,
but
you
know
General
feedback
on.
L
You
know
permanent
closure
of
the
street
to
regular
traffic
and,
oh,
you
know
establishing
some
clear
guidance
on
what
was
coming
and
how
soon
it
was
coming
and
there
was
feedback
on
what
kind
of
heaters
you
know
like.
Like
you
said,
like
we
discussed
before
you
know,
permitting
mushroom
cap
heaters
are
prohibiting
electric
heaters.
You
know,
based
on
the
feedback
we
received,
we
amended
the
guidelines
to
reflect.
L
L
E
Yeah
thanks.
That's
that's!
That's
fine,
because
documentation
and
information
can
be
just
as
good,
sometimes
better
if
it's
qualitative
as
well,
so
to
what
extent
or
I
guess
I'll
just
ask
what
was
the
qualitative
feedback
provided
similar
to
the
heater
feedback
that
you
mentioned
I'm
looking
for
something
like
that,
like
you
know,
was,
was
it
all
they
brought
up
was
heaters?
L
Thank
you
for
the
question
again,
the
feedback,
the
the
feedback
was
pretty
elaborate
on
all
the
elements
that
were
presented.
Heaters
was
one
item.
You
know
we
talked
about
bringing
back
the
rent
rental
fee.
We
we
talked
about
the
new
application
process
and
insurance
requirements,
so
there
was
feedback
on.
You
know
what
the
insurance
requirements
would
be
and
we,
you
know
we
are
kind
of
relating
back
to
the
pre-cover
conditions
where
we
had
the
Sidewalk
Cafe
program.
So
it
was,
you
know
our
communication
was.
L
It
will
be
very
similar
to
those
that
so
we
are
not
creating
an
entirely
new
program.
Although
some
guidelines
are
do
vary
now
so
for
the
businesses
that
are
familiar
and
they're
operating,
Sidebar
Cafe
previously
they
did
understand,
but
for
the
few
businesses
that
did
not
have
a
cyborg
Cafe,
they
had
questions
about.
You
know
what
kind
of
one
is,
what
kind
of
umbrellas
you
know
can
they
put
their
business
logo?
You
know
business
name
on
The
Umbrellas
was
one
question.
L
Heaters
was
another
question:
what
are
their
upcoming
insurance
requirements
was
a
question.
How
was
the
layout
going
to
change
in
the
future?
Was
a
question
because
pre-covet
in
the
Sidewalk
Cafe
program,
it
was
between
three
to
three
in
the
parking
stalls,
but
with
the
new
program
it's
going
to
align
with
this
business
front
page,
so
we
kind
of
communicated
that
that
to
them
so.
L
You
know,
based
on
the
information
we
brought
to
them.
There
was
a
lot
of
feedback
and
clarification
provided
to
the
businesses,
and
you
know
on
the
coroner
businesses.
I
know
the
previous
question
talked
about.
You
know
how
did
the
message
to
the
coronary
businesses
or
the
businesses
that
were
not
included
in
the
PED
Mall
portion
between
the
two
evidence?
L
Yes,
those
business
did
attend
the
staff
hours
that
they
were
presented,
the
staff
reverse
and
we
did
communicate
with
them
about
the
upcoming
great
separation
project
and
how
Evelyn
would
be
connecting
you
know
on
both
sides
of
the
street,
but
then
ask
her.
They
did
communicate
to
them
that
until
that
construction
happens,
they
could
operate
outdoor,
but
once
the
construction
happens
it
would
be
an
extended
sidewalk
area,
not
essentially
a
a
program
zone
of
a
pedestrian
Ma.
E
Okay,
thank
you
so
that
that
was
very
helpful.
You
know
I
heard
there
was
concerns
about
the
insurance
requirements
that
you
know
the
application
process
concerned.
It
sounds
like
The
Umbrellas,
and
you
know
how
many
they
could
place.
Etc
I
I
think
that
relates
a
little
bit
to
this
concept
of
like
kind
of
temporary
structures
and
such
I
guess
I
am
curious.
It's
specifically
down
down
that
line.
E
E
Was
there
an
opportunity
to
engage
with
you
know
the
business
Community
again
and
then
you
know,
did
they
kind
of
you
know,
give
a
blessing,
for
example,
or
not
that
they
get
to
you
know
necessarily,
you
know
approve
this
or
not
right,
but
to
what
extent
was
there
almost
like
a
a
back
and
forth
so
far
around
some
of
the
temporary
structures
like?
Are
they
happy
about
the
changes
like?
Do
you
have
that
information
or
feedback
available
to
the
at
this
time.
I
So
I
I,
if
I
may
again,
it's
been
a
very
interactive
process,
I'm
aware
of
how
often
transportation,
badona
and
economic
Vitality
manager
Lang
has
been
out
on
Castro
Street.
It's
been
almost
constant
for
the
last
several
months,
so
it's
been
very
irid
iterative
and,
for
instance,
bringing
up
the
umbrellas.
The
original
guidelines
just
showed
your
standard
Center
pole
umbrellas
out
there
they've
already
many
of
them
invested
in
the
much
larger
side
mounted
umbrellas
and
as
long
as
they're
on
Wheels
and
it's
easy
for
one
person
to
move
it.
I
We
said,
oh
okay,
that
works.
We
added
those
to
the
guidelines.
As
noted
there
were
concerns
when
we
said
no
mushroom
cap
heaters
because
they
have
created
certain
problems.
You
know
they
get
placed
too
close
to
flammable
materials
and
other
problems,
but
the
businesses
really
favored
them.
So
we
put
them
back
in
but
said
we
got
to
be
more
stringent
with
our
guidelines
on
how
you
use
them,
because
we
have
to
keep
things
safe.
We
put
up
the
sample
barriers.
I
We
we
needed
to
buy
something
off
the
shelf,
because
there's
not
time
to
have
things
custom
made
and
we
put
them
out
there
and
we've
invited
the
businesses
to
tell
us
which
design
they
like
the
best
and
not
everybody's
they've,
been
invited,
but
we're
getting
pretty
consistent
feedback
on
what
what
style
is
preferred.
So
that's
the
style,
we're
moving
towards
also
know
again.
I
We
started
as
the
basis
for
these
guidelines
the
re,
the
guidelines
for
the
sidewalk
cafe,
and
we
didn't
move
too
far
off
of
those
we
enhanced
them,
but
we
were
working
with
something
the
city
already
had
adopted
and
approved
and
was
using
for
outdoor
dining.
The
other
piece
is
again
the
whole
concept
behind
the
interim
ped
mall
is
to
be
flexible
and
adaptable.
I
On
modifying
these,
as
as
we
see
the
needs
are
changing
as
we
work
with
the
businesses,
and
that
is
our
intent
and
but
again
this
is
a
very
multi-departmental
effort.
There's
a
lot
of
you
know,
cons
issues
that
you
know
we
have
to
make
sure
are
being
handled
right
so
where
we
have
Community
Development
very,
very
involved.
We
have
Economic
Development
economic
fatality,
very
involved.
We
have
fire
very,
very
involved.
I
We
also
have
our
community
services
department
because
they're
the
ones
that
have
to
do
all
the
maintenance
they
have
to
pick
up
the
trash
every
day
they
have
to
keep
the
street
and
sidewalks
clean.
As
we
put
out
the
city,
Furnishings
they're
going
to
have
to
keep
that
in
good
condition
and
and
usable
and
work
with
the
businesses
day
to
day,
so
this
is
and
we
have
police
in
our
team
meetings
as
well.
So
this
is
this
is,
and
a
pilot
there's
going
to
be
a
lot
of
lessons
learned.
I
E
E
So
my
question
is
on
the
spectrum
of
you
know:
if
you
have
two
parties,
one
is
negotiating
with
the
other
right
and
us.
You
know,
like
the
city
being
a
party
saying
to
the
business
Community,
let's
just
personify
them
as
an
individual.
For
now
you
know:
here's
our
proposal
on
the
spectrum
of
I,
fully
love
all
of
it,
I'm
completely
locked
up
with
everything
you
described.
E
Let's
go
for
it
and
you
know,
let's
just
say,
agree
to
disagree
right,
we're
nearing
a
point
where
we
have
to
maybe
they
hated
some
things
whatever
we
went
through
the
iterative
process
and
we're
trying
to
get
as
close
to
that
in
lockstep,
fully
conformed
agreement,
but
you
know
practically
speaking,
probably
never
going
to
happen
right
and
at
what
point?
At
some
point,
you
say
well,
we'll
agree
to
disagree.
E
N
L
Sure
thank
you,
director
of
arunabadina
Transportation
planner,
the
feedback
that
we
receive
at
the
Outreach
and
engagement
meetings
with
the
businesses
again,
not
not
to
post
I'm
trying
to
put
it
nicely
it's.
Yes,
it's
been
very
positive.
They
are
very
appreciative
of
the
engagement
they
have
seen
from
the
city
staff,
so
it
has
been
very
positive
again,
like
you
said
there
is
some
middle
ground,
for
you
know
it's
it's
a
middle
ground
for
the
city
and
the
businesses.
L
You
know
where
we
settle
on,
and
this
is
you
know
what
you
have
is
their
minor
modifications
to
the
guidelines.
We
are
amending
them
like
bringing
back
the
electric
heaters
language
and
some
minor
modifications,
but
that
the
guidelines
that
you
that
you
have
are
seeing
are
pretty
consistent
and
are
the
ones
that
the
businesses
have
seen
and
are,
you
know,
are
comfortable.
L
D
L
I
can
take
this
one
too.
Thank
you,
commissioner.
Aruna
Transportation
planner.
We
have
done
a
Outreach,
ensuite
and
Via
Zoom
virtual
to
both
property
owners
and
the
businesses.
At
several
times.
We
have
a
invited
businesses
in
the
downtown
area
to
attend
the
meetings
of
today
we
had
meetings
down
south
of
California
we
have
visited.
You
know
we
have
offered
Staff
office
hours
for
the
businesses
south
of
California
as
well.
L
You
know,
sometimes
businesses
do
come
to
these
meetings,
but
it's
you
know.
We
have
made
our
best
efforts
to
engage
the
greater
downtown
businesses,
I
would
say,
but
the
most
most
of
the
feedback
was
when
initially
we
started
Wars
on
the
pet
malls
and
yes,
there
was
a
lot
of
feedback
from
the
100
to
300
blocks
businesses,
but
we
have
offered
staff
hours
through
virtual
staffers
and
in
person
also
beyond
beyond
the
three
blocks.
I
And
again,
my
understanding
is
probably
the
most
significant
change
between
the
Sidewalk
Cafe
guidelines
that
they
were
operating
under
and
what
we're
talking
about
now
is
needing
a
wider
walkway
to
really
have
enough
room
for
the
pedestrians
and
not
create
obstacles.
The
other
piece
is
and
and
transportation
but
donut
you.
I
But
we
do
need
to
make
sure
that
you
know
they're
using
public
right-of-way,
so
they
do
need
to
follow
the
guidelines
and
the
standards
for
the
use
of
the
public
right
away
and
and
I'll.
Just
again,
you
know
coming
back
to
the
the
main,
some
of
the
main
questions
that
you've
been
asking
about.
You
know
the
businesses
and
what
they're
concerned
about
is
what
I
hear,
particularly
from
our
economic
fatality
manager.
I
But
of
course,
they
are
concerned,
they've
spent
money
already
on
certain
things.
They
actually
brought
their
indoor
furniture
outside
and
it's
been
ruined
because
it
was
never
meant
to
go
through
all
this
rain.
So
this
this
grant
program
that's
being
discussed,
that's
going
to
kind
of
be
in
parallel
with
opening
it
up
to
help
them
buy
new
furniture
that
matches
the
guidelines.
K
Oh,
you
can't
have
that
you
gotta,
take
it
down,
doesn't
mean
code,
so
maybe
they
could
get
a
refund
now
right.
That
would
be
really
appreciated
and
I
say
that,
because
we
go
back
and
forth
with
this
type
of
relationship
with
the
business
Community,
we
need
you,
we
don't
need
you,
we
need
you,
we
don't
need
you,
we
may
need
you
and
then
those
instances
for
them
reflects
cost.
K
So
this
regulation,
I
I,
appreciate
when
it's
needed
and
in
times
of
a
crisis
like
we've
experienced
the
last
three
years
with
the
pandemic,
I
can
see
where
there's
miscommunication
on
that
right
and
then
we
should
learn
from
that,
and-
and
this
is
what
I
think
this
process
is
all
about-
getting
feedback
from
the
different
stakeholders
who
are
involved
in
general,
whether
it's
the
business
Community,
the
community
at
large
and
the
various
departments
within
the
city's
structure
itself.
So
that's
great
I,
I,
I,
I,
I,
I
I
know
that
that's
not
easy
to
do
so.
K
My
question,
then,
is
in
terms
of
community
feedback.
Earlier
you
had
mentioned
well,
you
know:
we've
had
same
complaints
from
folks
saying
that
when
they
walk
on
the
street,
there's
not
enough
room
and
I.
Think
what
my
fellow
commissioner,
member
here
Mr
Nunez
was
trying
to
ask
for
was
specifics
on
that
front?
K
How
many
comments
did
you
get
from
the
community
in
terms
of
that
type
of
issue?
There's
not
enough
space
or
this
or
that?
But
further
to
that
point,
how
was
the
Outreach
made
and
I'm
curious,
because
this
is
I'm
new
to
this
body,
so
I'm
going
to
ask
these
questions
because
it's
fascinating
to
find
out
how
this
works?
Was
there
a
general
email
blast
to
members
of
the
city
of
Mountain
View,
who
are
signed
up
to
a
newsletter
saying:
hey,
participate
here,
click
on
this
link
and
you
can
just
answer
these
questions.
K
We
want
to
find
out
what
you
think,
or
did
you
do
targeted
questioning
like
that
to
certain
neighborhoods
closer
to
downtown,
as
opposed
to
others,
because
it's
interesting
to
find
out
what
that
was
like
I
know
in
terms
of
me
over
on
California
Street,
I
didn't
really
get
anything,
I
didn't
get
a
mailer
or
an
email
or
a
heads
up.
This
is
going
on
we'd,
like
your
feedback,
so
naturally
I'm
curious.
Thank
you.
I
I
This
is
not
something
that
we
went
and
surveyed
and
we
have
numbers
what
we
are
sharing
with
you
and
CDD
is
heard
it
public
works
has
heard
it
is
through
the
years
we
get
an
ass
Mountain
View.
We
we
go
to
a
bicycle
pedestrian
advisory
committee.
We
are
just
talking
to
folks
or
my
traffic
Engineering
Group
is
out
there
and
and
oranor.
I
We
see
what
it's
like
just
to
make
sure
we're
keeping
a
wide
enough
path
for
wheelchairs
to
get
through,
because
we
see
more
and
more
obstacles
and
obstructions,
and
then
so
it's
more
been
building
through
the
years
of
things
that
we
regularly
hear.
But
the
this
is
the
other
thing
we're
hearing
on
a
regular
basis
and
we're
hearing
that
from
our
bicycle
and
pedestrian
advisory
committee
and
we've
been
hearing
it
from
our
council
members.
I
K
Okay,
great
thank
you
for
elaborating
on
that.
So
then,
what
I
hear
is
that
we
had
an
extensive
Outreach
to
certain
members
of
the
community
and
the
impact
of
suggestions
that
were
given
to
the
City
by
various
departments
or
just
people
in
general,
to
different
Departments
of
the
city
structure
or
to
council
members
or
to
whomevers
with
the
city
about
anything.
K
And
then
they
spread
the
word
and
say:
hey
well,
I
heard
from
Joe
schmulle
that
they
want
more
space
here
on
the
sidewalks,
because
you
know
there's
not
enough
room.
So
there
hasn't
been
an
Outreach
to
the
community
that
was
targeted
to
the
city
of
Mountain.
View.
That
way
to
neighborhoods
either
close
to
downtown
or
to
the
city
as
a
whole.
I
So
we
are
right
now
doing
an
active
Transportation
plan
for
the
city,
which
is
considering
both
The
Pedestrian
and
bicycle
needs.
There's
quite
a
bit
of
Outreach
work.
That's
being
done
on
that!
It's
not
just
in
terms
of
identifying
the
corridors,
but
also
visioning
and
goals
and
needs
assessment.
But
I
will
tell
you
that
it's
been
very
consistent
from
our
community
now
for
a
few
years
about
wanting
wider
sidewalks
less
obstructions
in
the
sidewalks,
and
if
we
are
going
to
become
a
more
walkable
Community,
that's
one
of
the
key
things.
K
I
totally
understand
that
and
I
hope
you
understand,
point
I'm
reflecting
as
well,
because
that
night
for
me,
that
makes
Smart
governance
right
right.
It's
just
it
goes
hand
in
hand
and
whether
we
want
to
accept
that
or
not
that
this
process
was
botched
because
of
the
lack
of
that
effort
or
not.
That's
not
the
point.
K
The
point
is
moving
forward
as
we
go
through
this
process
of
coming
back
together
as
a
city
in
the
community,
and
if
we
want
to
be
better,
then
we
have
to
govern
better
and
if
we
need
to
do
an
Outreach
like
this,
that
hits
the
city
of
Mountain
View
as
it
should.
Then,
let's
learn
from
this
moment
so
that
moving
forward,
we
can
do
that.
L
L
They
said
we
did
do
extensive
Outreach
to
the
businesses,
but
we
also
took
it
regularly
to
the
downtown
committee
and
the
Chamber
and
also
in
addition,
we
took
it
to
the
bpac
as
well.
Whenever
we
brought
the
item
to
any
of
these,
you
know,
including
the
council
at
our
committee.
Any
of
the
meetings
are
public
open
meetings
and
we
have
pushed
out
email
about
the
upcoming
item
to
the
wider
Community.
Whoever
is
subscribed
to
that
program
and
also
you
know,
whoever
subscribed
to
those
committees
and
also
the
project
mailing
list.
L
So
we,
you
know
I'm
just
kind
of
trying
to
clarify
that.
Yes,
the
messages
did
go
beyond
the
downtown
area
itself.
It
was
pushed
out
to
the
neighborhood,
commit
neighborhood
groups
as
well,
so
the
email
did
go
out
and
we
did
have
a.
They
did
have
representation
from
not
just
downtown
at
these
meetings,
but
a
residents
General
residence
of
Mountain
View,
not
necessarily
the
downtown
neighborhood.
We
did
have
some
representation
at
these
meetings
me
at
the
airport
or
the
bpac
or
the
downtown
committee.
We
did
have
some
representation.
K
K
O
I
know
we're
sort
of
entering
into
a
you
know:
a
trial,
temporary
phase.
Until,
as
you
mentioned,
we
do
a
permanent
construction
someday
and
have
a
nice
permanent,
Pedestrian
Mall
I
mean
I
assume.
At
that
time
we
could
also
look
at
areas
of
Refuge
like
purse
permanent
structures.
You
know
that
might
withstand
weather
better,
but
then
I
know
you
get
into
which
business
is
in
front
of
versus,
not
in
the
public
right-of-way,
but
I
I.
I
I
That
is
correct
for
the
permanent
pet
mall,
it's
a
whole
different
environment,
for
instance.
You
know,
as
we
look
at
other,
very
successful
malls
like
the
Pearl
Street
Mall
in
Colorado
and
so
on.
For
instance,
you
could,
you
might
see
awnings
that
extend
out
from
the
building
frontages
now
and
into
a
more
extended
patio
area.
There's
you
know
once
we
have
a
level
surface
and
we're
not
dealing
with
the
sidewalk
and
then
two
steps
down
yeah
we
can.
A
I
It
should
be
just
applying
within
the
the
outdoor
patio
areas,
because
what
we're
talking
about
here
is
what's
going
to
be
in
the
license
agreement
terms
that
they
have
to
meet
it,
and
so,
for
instance,
we,
you
know
this
whole
ped
mall
is
being
designed
to
leave
a
certain
amount
of
public
area
City
programming
area.
So
we
could
eventually
see
Community
Services,
Department,
sometimes
occasionally,
remember
the
old
Thursday
night
lives
right.
They
we
may
still
have
some
of
that
integrated
in
and
you
will
see
dancing
in
the
streets
and
to
be
a
planned
activity.
I
I
I'm,
definitely
willing
to
you
know
you
know
continue
to
work
with
Community
Development,
but
these
these
patio
lights,
these
outdoor
patio
areas
are
going
to
be
they're,
not
that
large
and
for
the
most
part,
they're
going
to
be
full
of
their
tables.
In
order
to
serve
patrons
another
thing
to
also
mention
in
terms
of
taking
feedback,
originally
we
were
eliminating
these
to
just
outdoor
dining
boat.
One
of
the
things
the
chamber
requested
after
hearing
feedback
from
the
businesses
was
be
more
flexible
and
allow
retail
to
use
them.
I
A
You
for
clarifying
that
I
think
it
helps
a
lot.
You
know,
as
you
can
tell
we
care
about
the
downtown.
It
is
the
Heart
of
the
City,
and
so
you
know,
whenever
you
prohibit
dancing
just
the
term,
there
is
probably
going
to
set
off
a
lot
of
emotions,
so
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
it
was
just
for
these
delineated
little
Parcels
that
the
city
is
sort
of
in
control
of
and
responsible
for.
Thank
you
and
the
last
question
was
regarding
the
Outreach
to
the
side,
streets
staff.
A
I
assume
knows
which
businesses
have
the
permits
for
outdoor
seating
currently
and
if
staff
can
find
out,
which
ones
would
be
affected
by
the
eight
foot
sidewalk
and
just
make
an
effort
to
reach
out
to
them.
I
think
that
would
settle
a
lot
of
the
questions
about
that
particular
one.
Since
the
eight
foot
sidewalk
is
really
the
only
change
that
is
happening
from
what
we
already
have.
A
I
feel
pretty
good
about
your
answers
to
the
several
Evelyn
streets
that
they
are
sorry,
restaurants
and
businesses
that
are
closer
to
Evelyn,
that
they've
been
in
contact
with
and
that
they
still
have
the
ability
to
use
the
street
for
outdoor
dining.
So
with
that,
I
will
now
move
to
public
comment.
If
no
one
else
has
you
do.
Okay,
commissioner
Nunes
another
question:
Just.
N
I
A
Thank
you
no
additional
questions.
Then
we
will
move
to
public
comment.
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6.
M
Hi
I'm
Celia
Palmer
I'm,
a
15-year
resident
of
Mountain
View
living
in
the
Blossom
Hill
Community,
so
I
can
say
that
I've
seen
this
presentation
at
least
four
times
so
there's
definitely
been
a
ton
of
Outreach
I
can
back
up
staff
on
that.
Actually,
when
you
listed
the
commissions
you'd
been
to
you
forgot
the
PRC,
you
also
went
there.
I
saw
it
there
as
well
and
I
believe
the
president
of
DBA
was
present
at
the
majority
of
ones.
I
went
to
so
the
Business
Association
was
definitely
represented.
M
There
was
a
ton
of
feedback
in
many
directions.
I
still
hope
that
bikes
will
be
allowed
in
the
long-term
version,
but
I
think
most
of
my
other
feedback
was
incorporated
along
with
a
lot
of
other
community
members.
We
did
ask
for
umbrellas
at
some
point
that
was
not
going
to
be
allowed,
but
we
did
say
we
did
want
shade
in
the
summer.
M
I
agree
that
tents
are
really
bad.
Environmentally
Mountain
View
is
trying
to
go
natural.
Gas
free
and
propane
is
a
natural
gas.
It
shouldn't
be
used
as
the
main
heating
source
for
restaurants
in
the
winter.
It's
not
efficient.
So
those
people
should
be
inside
when
it's
available
to
be
inside
Evelyn
reopening
is
needed
for
the
transit
center.
M
Buses
are
currently
being
delayed
on
their
alternate
routes,
and
so
that
reopening
is
going
to
happen
and
as
a
result,
there
is
going
to
be
that
construction
and
adjustment
in
front
of
those
four
businesses
right
near
Evelyn,
I
think
it's
fairly
unavoidable
unavoidable
and,
as
we
leave
covid
I
hope
that
the
EPC
will
re-prioritize
public
transit
as
people
are
allowed
to
move
inside
and
onto
buses.
So
thank
you
so
much
for
your
time.
E
D
D
My
concern
is
when
you
go
beyond
that,
I
think
the
I
I,
like
the
idea
of
looking
at
how
do
we
extend
this
into
the
the
precise
plenary
as
a
whole
and
while
I
understand
and
I
agree
with
the
need
to
look
at
wider
sidewalks,
wider
saddle
box,
don't
just
appear
by
saying
snap,
your
fingers
and
you
want
white
or
sidewalks.
Okay,
the
reality.
O
D
We
do
need
to
change
the
way
the
bus
configuration
is
but
doing
more
to
try
to
make
sure
that
we
allow
those
businesses
that
have
been
around
for
a
long
time.
I
haven't
been
to
it's
a
happy
lamb
myself,
which
is
the
one
all
the
way
at
the
end,
but
it
seems
to
have
a
crowd
all
the
time
so
I'd
hate
to
see
us
lose
those
but
I.
So
I'm
I'm
concerned
about
the
how
that's
handled
with
them.
I,
don't
know
it'd
be
nice
to
show
them
very
clearly.
Okay.
D
This
is
what's
going
to
happen.
You're
not
going
to
have
anything
outside
during
that
period
of
time,
but
I'm
overall
I
think
the
overall
approach
kind
of
makes
sense,
with
my
with
my
very
serious
reservation,
on
switching
from
the
four
feet
to
eight
feet
on
the
side:
streets
I
get
it
in
the
down
in
the
downtown
area,
I'm
very
worried
about
it
on
the
side,
streets.
E
Yeah
I
I
definitely
feel
concerned,
and
it's
not
even
just
because
of
you
know
this
proposal
or
any
of
these
changes
specifically,
although
I
am
about
those
two
but
I,
think
the
reason
at
least
for
me
and
and
I
can
imagine,
maybe
for
some
of
my
colleagues
as
well.
The
reason
why
you
know
so
much
emphasis,
I
I,
believe,
is
being
placed
on
you
know
like
Outreach,
and
really
trying
to
understand
like
what
what
what
were
the
methods?
What
were
the
points
of
feedback?
E
You
know
the
people
asking
for
wider
sidewalks
like
is
that
a
self-selecting
group
of
people
who
would
use
ask
Mountain
View
when
99.99
of
people
in
Mountain
View,
don't
you
know,
know
what
that
right,
like
I
think
you
know
for
a
lot
of
us.
We
have
our
favorite
businesses
in
the
downtown
that
we
cherish
that
we
love
and
it,
and
you
know,
even
though
this
is
like
a
temporary
proposal.
E
If
you
know
all
of
us
can
see
it
when
we
walk
downtown,
there's,
there's
more
closures,
there's
more
empty
storefronts
and
it
hits
kind
of
hard
when
you
realize
how
a
lot
of
these
businesses
aren't
able
to
keep
up
and
I.
Think
one
thing
that
at
least
for
sure
I
feel
worried
about
is
you
know
these
changes,
you
know,
will
have
some
economic
impact
on
these
businesses
and
what
I'm
really
concerned
about
is
you
know
these
temporary
changes
have
implemented
over
the
next
three
to
five
years.
E
You
know,
even
though
it's
temporary
for
some
businesses,
that's
that
that
could
be
the
difference
between
you
make
it
to
the
new
Pedestrian
Mall
or
you
are
gone
like
I,
would
hate
to
Hate
I
would
hate
to
lose
Dana,
Street
Roasters,
for
example,
right
and
so
I'm,
finding
it
very
hard
and
maybe
I'm
missing
it.
You
know
I
I
always
could
be.
You
know
the
you
know.
Problem
exists
behind
keyboard
and
share
here.
E
That
I
don't
want
to
have
happen.
I
think
one
thing
that
would
be
nice
dare
I,
say
I.
Think
some
of
my
colleagues
might
also
be
feeling
whether
conscious
or
not
is
that
it
would
be
nice
to
have
a
sense
of
reassurance
reassurance
that
everyone
to
the
best
extent
possible,
is
unified
in
in
a
general
direction,
and
so,
when
I'm,
looking
at,
like
the
staff
report,
when
I'm
looking
at
the
hearing.
E
E
E
You
know
the
wider
sidewalks
here
is
the
expected
loss
in
foot
traffic
due
to
like
all
of
these
figures
and
then
also
even
accounting
for
different
sections
of
downtown,
such
as,
like
you
know,
Dana
street
is
not
Castro,
you
know
Franklin
Etc,
I,
just
don't
feel
like
there's
enough
there
and
maybe
I'm
again
being
the
one.
That's
maybe
I'm
waffling
qualified,
but
you
know
I.
E
D
It
necessarily
voice
to
other
places,
but
I
mean
my.
If
I
were
going
to
vote
for
this
I
would
be
you
know.
In
the
end,
it
would
be
to
to
approve
it
with
the
with
the
with
removal
of
the
the
change
from
forefoot
to
eight
foot
on
the
side
streets.
So
my
my
Amendment
would
be
to
the
change
change.
The
staff
recommend
that
we
would
recommend
that
the
the
change
from
four
feet
to
eight
feet
not
be
applied
into
the
greater
p19,
downtown,
precise
plan
area
and
be
limited
to
The.
E
A
Oh
yeah,
sorry
I
didn't
mean
to
interrupt
that
note.
There
will
be
more
comments,
I'm
just
going
to
take
them
one
by
one
as
I
hear
them
just
to
keep
it
all
in
line,
because
I
think,
if
we
add
them
up
too
much,
then
I
will
lose
track
of
all
the
various
recommendations
and
suggestions,
so
I
will
just
bring
them
up
one
by
one.
If
you
don't
mind,
that's
okay,
we
will
definitely
hear
from
everybody.
B
I
Thank
you
couple
things
so
Transportation
Banana
by
the
way
sent
me
some
additional
information.
Just
I
know
this
won't
totally
allow
your
concerns,
but
in
talking
to
Red
walk
or
they
they
verified
with
red
rock
and
communicate
with
them
and
noted,
and
that
eight
feet
was
a
cheap
clearance
was
achievable
with
two
table
two-person
table
tops,
so
you
know
that
was
discussed
with
red
rock
and
confirmed
Dana
roasting
can
continue
to
have
their
Tables
by
just
reorienting
their
tables
and
still
achieved
the
clearance
requirements.
I
So
we're
not
you
know,
that's
just
two
examples,
I
realized
and
it
doesn't
mean
every
single
business
could
make
it
work.
I
will
say
please
for
your
consideration.
Please
realize
I'm
really
surprised
that
four
feet
even
existed
before.
That
is
a
barely
Ada,
complex
clearance,
that
is
people
walking
single
file.
I
You
know,
and
so
as
staff
we
don't.
Even
you
know
today
we're
trying
to
moving
beyond
our
minimum.
Was
five
foot
sidewalks
building
more
six
and
seven
feet
in
various
areas?
Be
because
we
hear
constant
concerns.
Five
feet
is
not
enough,
but
four
feet
barely
meets
Ada
you
know
definitely
want.
You
know
want
to
hear
your
input
and
the
straw
boat
and
so
on,
but
and
I
I
will
follow
up
more
with
staff
on
the
selection
of
eight
feet,
but
I
I
would
strongly
say
you
know
at
least
six
feet.
I
A
A
J
Yeah
I
think
I
do
and
it's
that
I
don't
have
enough
information,
I
think
to
really
decide
one
way
or
the
other
that
here.
If,
if
the
you
know,
what
we're
worried
about
is
places
that
we're
comfortable
with
now
that
we
know
and
that
we
love
that
would
be
disrupted
by
this,
and
the
truth
is
I
thought
like
Danish
Street
roasting.
Would
those
tables
would
get
knocked
out
of
the
way
but
I'm
not
out
there
with
a
tape,
measure,
I,
don't
know
and
I?
You
know,
I
was
gonna.
J
J
To
that
we're
protective
of
them,
I
mean
that's.
Why
we've
spent
45
minutes
on
Outreach
right,
like
we
care
about
them
and
there's
a
lot
of
empty
storage
fronts
out
there,
and
we
want
people
to
come
here
and
not
not
run
away
from
Mountain
View
right.
This
is
what
I
wish
I
had
I
just
wish
in
the
staff
report.
There
could
be
a
quick
assessment
of
hey
by
the
way
here's
there's
these
are
the
four
restaurants
where
they
probably
have
to
move
their
tables,
and
they
wouldn't
be
able
to
have
any
something.
J
D
I
guess
I
was
assuming
that
we'd
kind
of
hear
from
folks
and
what
my
first
thought
was.
You
know
going
from
four
to
eight
I
don't
like,
but
if
the
answer
is
the
guidance,
is
we
want
counsel
to
direct
staff
to
go
to
an
analysis
of
what's
feasible
on
the
side
streets,
and
maybe
it's
something
less
than
eight
feet.
Then
I
would
be
comfortable
with
that.
D
Okay,
I,
don't
know
what
the
number
is,
but
I'm
I'm
not
comfortable
that
it's
well
understood
that
eight
Feet's
the
right
answer
for
those
businesses
and
that
it
really
needs
to
be
looked
at.
So
if
it's,
if
the
motion
is
something
like
and
Council
direct
staff
to
go
off
and
evaluate
this
and
has
the
right
has
the
ability
to
change
it
to
six
feet
it's
after
it.
You
know,
gives
the
public
community
development
director
the
right
to
do
that.
I'm.
Fine
with
that,
but
I
was
I.
B
G
K
N
You
don't
need
a
second.
The
straw
hole
is
only
for
purposes
of
determining
what
will
eventually
be
in
the
motion,
so
to
the
extent
that
the
EPC
wants
to
make
some
additional
recommendations,
Beyond
approving
the
staff
recommendation,
what
you
will
be
adding
will
be
based
on
what
achieves
a
majority
in
your
strap
hole.
E
I
I
don't
know
if
yeah
similar
process
stuff,
maybe
there
was
Direction
coming
to
the
meeting
to
you,
know,
look
at
kind
of
minutia
commentary
and
try
to
like
you
know
bracket
it
before
you
know,
discussion
got
all
crazy
around
the
things,
but
I
feel
like
there's
a
deliberative
element.
That
would
be
very
welcome,
particularly
around
the
downtown's
commissioner,
Dempsey
noted.
There's.
A
lot
of
you
know
feelings
around
this
issue
and
I.
A
G
A
A
K
K
We
should
have
asked
the
question:
how
did
you
guys
get
to
eight
feet
right
and
we
missed
it,
but
and
now
we're
trying
to
figure
it
out?
Okay,
fine,
in
my
opinion,
based
on
what
I've
heard
from
people
that
I've
spoken
to
here
in
Mountain,
View
and
business
owners
alike,
and
even
people
who
visit
Mountain
View
at
night.
K
You
know
because
I
go
to
certain
bars
and
I
hang
out,
and
you
know
not
everyone's
from
here
and
and
they've
mentioned
one
thing
loud
and
clear,
which
is
they
like
Mountain
View,
they
like
Castro
and
they
like
to
see
wider
sidewalks
and
look
I
I'm,
a
single
dad
of
two
kids
I've
been
to
Disneyland
like
10
12
times
and
hate
them
or
love
them.
They've
got
wide
sidewalks
on
Main
Street
because
of
the
people
issue
right
and
if
we've
traveled
to
certain
parts
around
the
world,
they've
got
wide
streets
too.
K
You
figured
out
by
now
I
want
everything
faster
with
better
accountability
with
with
something
that
we
can.
You
know
hang
on
to
and
say
because
of
this
and
this
report
and
these
statistics
and
this
analysis
we've
decided
to
go
this
way
and
make
it
happen,
and
let's
go
so.
I
looked
at
the
eight
foot
option
as
thinking
about
the
future,
with
compliance
in
mind,
but
also
people
movement
and
that
thereby
enabling
more
business,
whether
it's
during
the
day
afternoon
at
night
on
the
weekends
weekdays.
K
What
have
you
so
that's
how
I
looked
at
it
right,
like
commissioner
Dempsey,
though
I
wish
I
had
more
info
right
and,
and
sometimes
you
don't
have
that,
and
you
have
to
make
the
best
judgment
that
you
can
to
say,
yay
or
nay,
is
the
plan
perfect?
No,
would
I
have
liked
more
community
outreach
community
outreach,
not
just
those
in
the
know
who
are
part
of
subcommittees
and
email
distribution
lists
that
are
already
there
in
place
if
we're
going
to
move
forward
together.
K
J
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
That
was
really
well
said.
You
know,
I,
don't
I
I've
kind
of
learned
to
not
expect
that
we
ever
have
a
perfect
product
in
front
of
us,
because
that's
actually
sort
of
our
job
right.
Our
job
here
is
to
take
it
in
and
figure
out.
If
it
needs
a
little,
you
know
a
little
salt
or
a
little
chili
or
a
little
Pepper
or
something
right
I.
Actually,
you
know
I
think
a
lot
of
clearly
a
lot
of
good
work
has
gone
into
this
I.
J
J
We
just
got
done
with
housing
element
and
Outreach
was
an
incredibly
important
part
of
our
job
that
that
is,
our
job
is
knowing
is
making
sure
Outreach
is
happening
and
making
sure
that
the
community
is
talking
back
to
us
right
and
I
I
think
I'm
much
more
sensitized
to
the
importance
of
of
Outreach
and
not
just
a
little
bit
of
Outreach,
but
like
real
aggressive
Outreach,
because
not
everybody
pays
attention
to
those
little
postcards
they
get
in
the
mail
right.
Outreach
is
hard
and
I.
J
Don't
pretend
that
it's
easy
and
I'm
not
and
I.
Don't
wag
my
finger
at
anyone,
because
that's
a
really
hard
thing
to
do,
especially
when
you
have
multiple
languages
spoken.
Some
folks
are
real
busy.
Some
folks
have
businesses
here,
but
they
don't
live
here.
I
do
not
pretend
at
all
that
the
Outreach
challenge
is
easy.
J
J
That's
really
really
important
to
me
and
in
talking
to
you
know
I
always
when
I
go
in,
you
know
when
I
go
to
Lost
Boy
I,
let
her
go
wherever
I
always
ask
him
like
how's
the
business
going
or
more
people
coming
in
I
always
ask
them
about
this,
and
sometimes
I
ask
like
how
is
it
working
with
the
city?
I,
don't
always
hear
the
best
things.
Some
people
think
it's
real
hard
to
work
with
the
city.
J
I,
don't
I
like
I
would
love
to
be
able
to
walk
into
a
business
and
have
them
tell
me
they
love
working
with
the
city
of
Mountain
View.
That's
what
I
would
love
that
love
it.
So,
if
you're
at
all
or
if
anyone's
at
all
surprised
about
how
much
time
we
spent
talking
about
Outreach
tonight,
that's
why
we
really
want
them
to
love
working
with
the
city,
and
we
want
them
to
feel
like
we
listen
to
them
and
we
cared
about
them
because
again,
a
lot
of
them
are
fragile.
J
Some
places
that
I
loved
went
out
of
business.
It
broke
my
heart:
I
love,
my
old
Ramen,
Shop,
maruichi,
love
that
place,
and
we
lost
some
things
that
we
cared
about
and
I
don't
like
empty
storefronts
out
on
Mountain
View.
It
looks
bad
and
I
want
to
see
that
fixed
so
anyway,
I
think
Outreach
is
a
big
part
of
how
we
get
back
to
that,
which
is
why
I
at
least
me
I've
been
harping
on
this
all
night,
because
I
think
it
actually
is
really
important.
J
I
would
like
to
hear
that
and
I
think
you
know.
In
truth,
a
little
bit
of
a
little
bit
of
representation
goes
a
long
way
if
you
had
just
been
able
to
come
in
with
like
a
letter
from
the
chamber
or
a
letter
from
a
couple
of
downtown
businesses,
saying
oh
yeah,
no,
we've
we've
talked
about
this
seven
ways
from
Sunday.
This
is
good.
J
This
is
a
good
product
that
would
actually
we
could
have
cut
45
minutes
out
of
tonight,
honestly,
so
I
think
that
might
actually
help
when
you
go
on
to
the
next
part
of
the
process.
Just
they'll
ask
for
a
few
support
letters
from
the
from
the
business
Community
to
say
yes,
oh
we've
talked
about
this,
so
much
I
think
that
would
actually
really
help
and
sort
of
save
a
lot
of
time
and
short
circuit
things,
but
you
know
for
for
all
the
difficulties
that
we've
raised
tonight.
J
I
do
know
that
a
lot
of
work
went
into
this
and
I
do
think.
By
and
large
you
have
a
good
product
I
think
we
have
to
talk
about
four
six
eight
feet
up.
You
know
whether
it's
on
Dana
Street
or
casual
Street,
yeah
there's
some
parts
here
that
probably
deserve
a
little
more
cooking,
but
I
do
think
a
lot
of
good
work
has
been
done
and
I
I
hope
it
has
been
informative.
O
J
O
Oh
I'm,
next,
okay
I
have
a
slightly
different
perspective.
I
I
think
I
share
some
of
the
I
I
understand
where
my
colleagues
are
coming
from,
but
look
Staff
Care
is
just
just
as
much
about
businesses
being
able
to
do
business
here
and
all
the
things
that
we've
just
described
tonight,
as
just
in
my
experience
with
them
over
the
years
as
as
we
are
trying
to
stay
tonight,
it.
D
E
O
O
Just
you
can
tell
it's
probably
reasonably
non-controversial
based
on
just
the
number
of
slides
here
and
I
know.
We
all
care
deeply
about
our
downtown,
but
this
is
the
sort
of
thing
where
you
know
if
I
want
to
just
do.
A
quick
back
check
of
you
know
is
this:
has
this
been
vetted?
You
know,
does
the
chamber
feel
confident
about
it?
Does
a
neighborhood
association
feel
confident
about
it?
I
send
an
email
I
pick
up
the
phone
like
it,
isn't
staff's
job
to
go.
O
You
know
beef
up
there,
you
know,
do
all
that
Outreach!
That's
that's
part
of
why
we
sit
here
and
that's
part
of
the
time,
commitment
that
we've
we've
chosen
to
sign
up
for
so
I
I
understand
the
sentiment
here,
but
I
just
want
to
get
across
that
like
I
know
how
much
Outreach
staff
does
on
just
small
things,
let
alone
something
of
this
magnitude
and
I
understand
that
Outreach
keeps
coming
up
in
the
context
of
housing
element
and
this
and
really
important
things.
O
But
if
we
want
to
have
a
discussion
about
what
Outreach
is
done
on
various
issues,
then
we
should
have
that
as
a
separate
conversation
and
not
litigate
it
every
single
time.
Something
like
this
comes
before
us,
so
I,
just
I,
I
guess
what
I'm
trying
to
express
here
is
that
a
lot
of
skepticism
I
think
both
both
very
valid
skepticism
and
some
skepticism.
That
is
I
I.
Think
if
I
were
a
staff.
O
Member
I
would
be
frankly
be
somewhat
offended
by
just
based
on
the
amount
of
effort
that
they
I
know
that
they
go
to
like
to
have
office
hours
outside
of
businesses
on
on
blocks
to
to
bring
these
up
at
some
of
the
the
neighborhood
meetings
that
have
occurred.
I'm
sure
of
a
council,
so
I
I
I
get
all
of
that
and
I
understand
the
concern
and
we're
talking
about
all
this,
because
we
care
so
deeply
about
about
our
downtown
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
staff
doesn't
come
away
tonight.
O
O
You
know
what
businesses
would
be
impacted
on
some
of
the
side
streets,
that's
all
very
valid
stuff
and,
and
one
of
the
comments
that
I
would
just
make
you
know.
One
thing
that
would
have
been
helpful
here
tonight
is
just
you
know
you
typically
staff
when
they
go
to
the
council.
They'll
put
together,
you
know
a
summary
of
the
Outreach
that
was
done
and
I'm
sure
you'll
do
that
for
their
staff
report
too.
But
if
that
had
been
done,
you
know
a
few
weeks
earlier.
O
E
E
O
I
would
be
perfectly
fine
with
is
if
we
want
before
this
goes
to
council
to
explore.
You
know
whether
whether
eight
feet
or
six
feet
makes
sense
on
some
of
the
side
streets
and,
and
just
include
that
as
a
as
a
suggestion
for
something
for
that,
maybe
staff
can
research
before
it
goes
to
council
and
then
in
the
section
of
the
staff
report.
O
Where
you
talk
about
the
the
EPC
discussion,
we
can
just
mention
that
you
know
one
of
the
key
things
that
came
up
was
the
discussion
of
The
Wider
side
locks
along
the
side
streets
and
how
that
might
impact
some
key
businesses
that
we
I
think
all
care
deeply
about,
and
whether
or
not
you
know
six
feet,
for
example-
would
would
be
a
good
compromise
that
might
be
provide.
But
if
it,
if
six
feet,
for
example,
would
still
require
certain
businesses
to
reorient
the
tables
the
way
that
they
would
under
eight
feet.
O
E
O
O
Compliant,
but
also
provides
the
flexibility
that
we
need
to
get
from
here
to
when
we
have
a
more
permanent
solution,
and
you
know
it's
going
to
be
very
disruptive
when
we,
when
we
there's
no
way
around
it
like
we,
it
was
a
very
tough
decision.
I
know
that
Council
made
when
we
decided
to
do
the
especially
underpass.
O
We
knew
that
it
was
going
to
impact
businesses
for
a
couple
of
years
on
either
end
and-
and
that's
just
you
know
something
when
you're
doing
business
that
you
sign
up
for
you
know
that
things
are
going
to
change
and
some
people
will
impact
it
more
than
others
and
the
most
that
we
can
do.
There
is
make
sure
that
we're
in
constant
communication
with
them
that
we're
doing
everything
we
can
to
mitigate
the
the
impacts
of
those
things
as
they
occur.
But
you
know
there's
there's
no,
the
the
more
certainty
that.
O
I
think
I
think
the
better
and
and
being
open
and
honest
with
those
businesses
about
you
know
the
long
term
and
what
will
what
the
ultimate
outcome
will
be,
but
the
the
short-term
pain
that
that's
going
to
be
required
to
get
there.
But
overall
I
appreciate
this
sort
of
interim
step
where
we're
we're
trying
to
ensure
that
we
maintain
our
Pedestrian
Mall
and
that
we're
doing
everything
that
we
can
to
support
our
businesses
in
the
interim
and
then
move
into
a
longer
term
solution.
O
E
E
It's
it's.
It
I
appreciate
what
staff
does
and
yet
you
know
us
we
I
I'm
in
a
position
here
sitting
in
the
chair,
where
there's
a
friction
between,
like
my
you
know,
ability
to
make
a
decision
and
not
having
or
feeling
like
I,
don't
have
enough
information
to
make
that
decision
appropriately.
So
I
will
ask
for
any
and
all
who
are
listening,
who
are
in
a
you
know,
ability
to
maybe
just
type
use
chat
GPD
to
create
like
a
summary
of
findings.
E
E
E
D
E
D
Will
help
Marketplace
in
Boston
is
amazing:
okay,
I
hope
we
get
to
that.
The
Pro
Street
mall
I
when
you
said
that
I'm,
like
yes,
they've,
been
they're
using
good
model.
So
when
I
looked
at
the
looked
at
the
the
downtown
area
and
what
was
in
here,
I
saw
elements
of
those
programs
that
made
sense
to
me
and
which
is
why
I
said
I'm
comfortable
with
what's
been
put
in
for
it
as
a
framework
when
it
comes
to
community
outreach,
I'm
sure
I'm
in
a
very
small
minority.
D
In
of
all
the
people
in
Mountain
View
that
have
actually
been
to
both
the
Fannie
Hall
Marketplace
and
the
Pearl
Street
Mall
to
even
have
a
context
to
know
what
to
ask
the
challenge
with
community
outreach
is
when
you
put
something
that's
purely
conceptual
in
front
of
them.
They
don't
know
what
you're
talking
about,
and
so
there
is
there's
limitations
on
what
we
can
ask
and
what
we
and
what
kind
of
answers
we're
going
to
get
so
I
agree
with
the
need
for
community
outreach,
but
having
an
expectation
that
they're
going
to
say.
D
D
Of
that,
the
one
thing
that
I
encountered
in
this
was
I
did
exactly
what
commissioner
Clark
said.
I
went
around
and
I
walked
into
the
street
roasting
and
said:
do
you
know
about
this
thing?
Where
they're
talking
about
extending
the
thing
for
downtown
and
into
Dana
Street
and
he's
like
what
are
you
talking
about?
D
He
had
no
idea.
Okay,
so
maybe
he's
just
one
of
the
10
or
so
businesses
and
I
tried
to
find
others
and
most
of
the
time,
because
I
was
in
the
middle
of
the
afternoon,
the
owners
and
managers
weren't
there,
but
at
the
other,
the
other
one
that
I
asked
about
at
Red
Rock.
Whoever
I
was
talking
to
wasn't,
wasn't
familiar
with
it.
D
So
I
I
tried
that
and
what
I
came
with
was
and
what
I'm
hearing
here
is
that
perhaps
the
Outreach
into
those
side
streets
wasn't
as
extensive
as
it
was
in
the
others
and
I
view
the
change
from
four
to
eight
as
a
one-way
trip,
and
my
question
is:
let's
make
sure
we
take
the
trip
that
we
want
because
getting
if
we
decide
later
that
it
should
have
been
six
we'll,
never
get
it
back.
So
my
reason
for
wanting
to
look
at
it
is
it
I.
D
I
think
I
said
I've
I
I
would
love
another
Faneuil
Hall
at
level
Streetball.
That
would
be.
That
would
be
amazing
and
I.
Think
I
think
you've
done
a
lot
of
good
work
on
this,
so
I'm,
not
questioning
what
staff
has
done.
I'm
I
am
cautious
about
one
element
of
the
plan
that
it
feels
like
and
it
feels
like
a
one-ray
chip.
Maybe
it's
not
maybe
keeping
it
at
four.
Isn't
the
right
answer?
Is
it
should
it
have
to
be
eight?
D
Maybe?
But
that's
that
was
that's
my
context.
I
can't
I
can't
convey
the
FanDuel
Hall
Marketplace
to
my
fellow
colleagues,
okay,
but
when
I
look
at
what
was
in
here,
it's
like
okay,
that
this
makes
sense
to
me
and
so
I'm
yeah.
We
don't
have
everything
but
I
I'm.
Also
skeptical
of
what
kind
of
community
outreach
would
ever
tell
us
on
something
that
most
people
have
never
even
seen.
K
K
So,
having
said
that
and
having
to
understand
that
type
of
language,
we
can
work
from
here
to
make
things
better
and
I.
Think
that's
the
whole
point
now,
if
any
of
you
felt
offended
by
anything
that
I
said
in
general
or
other
members
of
the
commission,
then
I
apologize
for
that
and
we'll
work
together
better
moving
forward.
Thank
you.
A
C
D
D
O
O
That
you're
one
of
the
key
things
that
came
up
with
the
sidewalks
on
the
on
the
side
streets,
and
maybe,
if
you
have
time
to
do
you
know
a
quick
analysis.
Whether
or
not
you
know
you
could
you?
Obviously
you
can
still
stick
with
your
recommendation
of
eight
feet
if
you
feel
that's
appropriate,
but
maybe
being
able
to
just
address
whether
or
not
a
reduction
to
six
would
would
have
a
significant
impact.
G
O
I
A
Negligible
then,
move
forward
with
what
you
think
is
best.
That's
my
take
on
it
so
I
think,
straw
poll.
Why
is
it
looks
like
one
two,
three
four?
We
have
enough
to
add
that
language
in
or
action
in,
if
possible,
on
the
Outreach
side,
we
had
a
lot
of
discussion.
I
think
we
actually
were
a
lot
in
agreement
more
than
disagreement,
and
so
I'm
I
just
wanted
to
say
that
I
don't
know
that
we
would
need
a
straw
poll
for
that
other
than
perhaps
recommending
to
staff.
A
To
add
more
information
to
this
is
my
take.
Perhaps
you
guys
will
have
comments
on
this
to
add
data
or
reassurance
that
Outreach
has
been
done,
how
much
Outreach
and
to
ensure
that
the
the
side
street
businesses
also
were
talked
to
and
had
feedback
that
was
incorporated,
I
think,
as
others
have
mentioned,
it's
really
just
the
reassurance.
That
is
that
it
has
been
done
that
it
has
been
as
iterative
as
we've
learned
throughout
the
the
evening.
A
E
E
So
if
you
know
we
were
to
have
had
in
this
packet
a
section
that
says
something
to
the
effect
of
you
know,
we
spoke
to
we
reached
out
to
200
businesses.
54
responded,
eight
of
them
were
on
Dana
20
were
on
this
block
whatever,
and
here
were
their
concerns.
You
know,
here's
how
many
people
on
ask
Mountain
View
have
mentioned
narrow
sidewalks,
just
like
is
to
like,
what's
the
possible
overhead,
is
it
reasonable
to?
You
know,
ask
for
something
like
that.
A
A
D
N
C
D
A
N
O
A
G
N
A
C
C
C
The
upcoming
Council
study
session
is
more
discussion
on
their
work
plan
and
you
guys
provided
a
some
input
on
that.
So
it'll
be
an
interesting
discussion.
Next
meeting
for
this
body
is
an
exciting
one.
The
north
bay
shore
master
plan
is
so
that'll,
be
an
exciting
meeting.
I
did
get
a
request
from
one
of
the
Commissioners
to
provide
an
overview
of
the
builders
remedy
projects
that
have
been
submitted
and
actually
I
I
drew
up
a
little
map
here.
I'll
put
it
up.
C
E
C
That
site
the
2200
one
there
is
the
movie
theater
site
on
Shoreline
the
77
unit,
one
there
is
on
Fayette.
It
was
previously
approved
for
a
44
unit
project
yeah
condos,
the
200
unit,
one
there
is
on
Gamel
way
and
the
85
unit
one.
There
is
on
the
corner
of
tyrella
and
Middlefield
and
of
course
they
would
be
required
to
provide
20
percent
low
income
and
I
will
just
say
the
caveat
that
not
all
of
these
have
been
fully
reviewed
by
staff
to
determine
that
they
are.
They
have
provided
a
complete
application.