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Live teleconference meeting of the Mountain View City Council Meeting scheduled for Wednesday, May 5, 2021.
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A
B
D
Commission
all
right,
so
it's
first
questions
from
commissioners
before
we
get
then
get
into
a
discussion.
So
any
questions
from
commissioners
before
we
move
on
to
detailed
discussion.
E
F
Yeah
I
mean,
I
think,
with
the
the
caveat
here
I
can.
I
can
bring
those
up
and
I
can
list
them.
The
caveat
here
is
that
the
purpose
of
the
study
was
to
determine
whether
there
were
a
significant
number
of
buildings
to
meet
the
threshold
of
an
historic
district
and
even
the
attachment
to
the
letter
from
the
livable
mountain
view.
Had
that
kind
of
definition
right
to
do.
Are
there
a
significant
number
of
buildings
with
enough
integrity
to
be
to
be
related
to
the
period
of
historic
significance
for
downtown?
F
And
so,
given
that
we
found
that
it
was
not
a
historic
district,
we
did
not
go
through
and
thoroughly
vet
the
specific
buildings
that
were
identified
there
was
enough
possible
variation
in
interpretation
of
which
ones
could
or
couldn't
be
that
I
wouldn't
say
that
there
are
only
eight
that
qualify
or
I
wouldn't
say
that
all
eight
would
qualify.
F
But
I
wanted
to
give
that
caveat
and
if
you'll
just
give
me
a
second
I'll,
get
the
document
open
and
I
can
I
can
find
it.
But
it
might
take
me
a
second
to
get
it
open
unless
edgar
or
rick
has
an
older.
Has
the
the
survey
already
open
if.
B
E
F
Yeah
we
I
mean
we
looked
at
all
different
kinds
of
ways
to
define
historic
areas.
The
one
with
the
most
kind
of
comprehensive
protection
of
you
know.
Buildings
within
the
area
is
the
statutorily
defined
historic
district.
F
F
Okay,
exactly
so
you
know
the
example
that
she
gave
the
weilheimer
building
you
know
is
certainly
protected,
given
that
it
is
certainly
a
historic
building,
and
anybody
like,
like
mr
maravilla,
said
earlier,
anybody
coming
in
and
proposing
to
affect
it
in
a
way
that
would
impact
it
as
a
cultural
resource
would
have
to
go
through
this
eir
process
and
the
city
would
have
full
discretion
to
approve
or
deny
whatever.
Whatever
came
out
of
that
process,.
E
D
D
Like
los
angeles
is
using
and
other
kitties.
F
We
I
can't
speak
towards
what
what
other
specific
cities
adopted
or
were
developed.
Our
consultants
looked
at
several
different
options,
with
several
different
examples
and
identified
targeted
updates
to
the
downtown
precise
plan
as
the
the
best
option
for
the
city
of
mountain
view.
For
this
for
this
district,
but
I
don't
know
rick,
you
have
any
additional
information
about
other
historic
districts
in
other
cities.
G
It
doesn't
mean
you
don't
have
a
fantastic
downtown
with
great
character
it.
It
just
doesn't
meet
the
criteria
for
a
district,
because
it
isn't
the
integrity
of
all
of
the
downtown
isn't
of
that
particular
time.
So
it's
so.
She
also
noted
in
many
of
the
conversations
that
we
were
at
what
she
was
attempting
to
do,
and
what
you're
attempting
to
do
with
defining
a
district
is
to
be
able
to
set
up
a
set
of
rules
and
policies
and
in
fact,
the
downtown
precise
plan.
G
In
essence,
if
we
bolster
the
standards
and
guidelines
of
the
district
will
be
able
to
protect
the
fabric
of
of
the
district
of
the
area
without
actually
having
that
historic
district
designation
and
she
felt
confident
that
it
was
a
good
replacement
for
that
designation
and
so
we're
working
closely
with
them
on
the
development
of
the
actual
standards
and
guidelines,
so
that
we
in
essence
get
the
teeth
and
the
standards
so
that
you
can
maintain
the
character
of
the
area
as
you
as
everybody
has
desired.
G
And-
and
we
understand
that,
regardless
of
the
historic
district
or
not,
there
still
be
the
ability
to
for
some
new
buildings
to
be
constructed.
G
And
we
can
develop
standards
for
those
new
buildings
such
as
the
massing
and
the
step,
downs
and
the
heights
etc.
So
that
those
buildings
also
respect
the
character
of
the
area
in
the
downtown
and
respect.
Particularly
those
buildings
that
have
a
historic
designation,
but
also
have
the
character
and
quality
for
all
of
the
buildings
in
the
in
the
downtown
area.
F
We're
somewhat
limited
the
a
lot
of
work
in
order
to
kind
of
create
kind
of
more
complex,
historic
kind
of
review
and
historic
incentives,
and
things
like
that
has
to
happen
yeah
at
the
level
of
the
city
code.
It
can't
really
happen
at
the
level
of
the
precise
plane,
because.
F
Want
it
to
apply
across
all
across
all
historic
properties
in
the
city,
I
did
find
the
list.
I
can
go
through
it
real
quick.
We
have
the
938
villa
wildhammer
house,
jtj,
954,
villa
air
base,
laundry
tight
house.
F
We
have
124
castro,
the
weilheimer
store,
169
castro,
the
ames
building
191
castro
194
castro
201
castro
275
castro-
am
I
way
over
eight
here.
I
feel
like
I'm
way
over
eight,
but
maybe
it's
just
eight
in
area
h
was
the
reference
because
there's
a
line
two
in
area
a
but
so
we've
got
201
caster
275
castro,
292
castro
and
301
castro.
D
I
F
So
the
the
list
that
I
just
gave
was
from
the
draft
survey
that
we
conducted
in
order
to
determine
whether
the
area
qualified
as
a
district
under
state
or
federal
standards.
These
sites
have
not
been
fully
vetted
through
staff.
F
You
know,
we
know
that
this
is
about
the
right
number
of
sites.
There
may
be
some
other
marginal
sites
that
could
also
be
included.
Maybe
some
more
analysis
on
these
sites
may
find
that
they
don't
fully
have
the
right
integrity
again.
We,
this
is
not
a
thorough
analysis
that
would
result
in,
for
example,
a
register.
F
I
F
Don't
we
don't
have
a
anything
defined
in
our
ordinance
that
says
what
a
a
local
district
like?
What
are
the
qualifications
for
a
local
district?
So
we
would
only
be
using
the
state
and
federal
standards
for
what
qualifies
for
a
district
under
the
state
and
federal
standards.
A
F
If
we
wanted
to
say
something
different
than
a
significant
number
of
of
resources
from
the
time
of
historic,
you
know
with
integrity
from
the
time
of
of
historic
relevance
or
whatever.
Those
standards
are
in
the
state
and
federal
kind
of
what
makes
a
historic
district.
We
wanted
to
say
something
else.
We
would
have
to
adopt
it
through
a
local
ordinance
got
it.
I
Okay
and
so
the
the
perks
of
the
issue,
then
I
believe,
mr
williams,
you
had
explained
that
you
felt
that
the
development
standards
might
be
able
to
not
take
place
on,
but
it
would
would
act
almost
equally
as
having
a
historic
district
designated.
G
I
I'm
suggesting,
without
having
a
historic
district,
you
can
still
maintain
the
character
of
your
downtown
through
the
appropriate
set
of
standards
and
design
guidelines,
predominantly
with
standards
that
relate
to
all
of
the
buildings
versus
just
those
that
are
potentially
able
to
be
designated
from
a
historic
standpoint.
G
So
I
think
that
the
secret
between
sequa
those
those
buildings
that
could
be
designated
historic,
but
the
standards
which
you're
really
trying
to
accomplish
here,
I
believe,
is
to
have
as
much
substantive
integrity
to
your
downtown
and
have
as
much
control
over
the
regulations
and
the
standards
and
is
a
lot
of
there's
a
little
more
squishiness
in
state
and
federal
historic
standards
than
you
would
like.
Everyone
might
like
to
admit.
G
We
do
a
lot
of
we've
done.
A
number
of
historic
landmark
building,
renovations,
etc
in
working
state
in
great
detail.
But
I
think
that
if
you
want
to,
but
we
believe
that,
with
these
new
standards
and
guidelines,
it
will
get
to
the
point
that
you're
trying
to
do,
which
is
to
substantially
incentivize
the
development
community,
property
owners,
facades
improvements,
etc.
To
to
be
of
the
quality
and
character
that
you
desire
in
your
community.
I
Okay,
on
that
note,
and
I'll
try
not
to
take
too
much
time
I
just
want
to
be.
I
just
want
to
understand.
Clearly
when
I
read
in
the
staff
report,
it
said
that
the
recommendation
would
not
preserve
individual
non-historic
buildings.
G
So
I
mean
there's
lots
of
different
levels
of
what
at-risk
is.
I
I
actually
don't
think
there
are
very
many
buildings
at
risk
from
the
sense
of
I
think
I
don't
think
they're
eminently
thought
of
as
being
removed,
there's
lots
of
factors
that
go
into
the
potential
of
a
building,
the
property
being
redeveloped.
G
B
G
We
we
haven't
seen
that
we
looked
at
the
ownership
pattern
within
the
within
area,
a
b
h.
We
didn't
find
any
ownership
pattern
that
suggests
aggregation
is
forthcoming
in
any
way.
We
didn't
see
more
than
one
or
two
sites
that
actually
are
owned
by
the
same
property
ownership
groups.
So
we
don't
it
would.
We
would
not
anticipate
that
being
a
substantial
pattern
of
future
development.
I
G
That
is,
that
is
the
one
that
is,
I
think,
triggered
all
of
this
conversation
and
and
but
over
the
entire
area
that
might
be
kind
of
the
only
ones
there's
a
few
other
sites
within
the
area
that
are
relatively
vacant,
don't
have
a
substantive
building
on
them
right
now
or
don't
have
a
building
of
any
character
that
might
be
considered
for
redevelopment
in
the
future,
but
they
aren't
on
castro
street
necessarily
and
they
don't
necessarily
they
wouldn't
impact
the
character
of
castro
street.
In
that
way,.
I
Okay,
well
I'll
reserve
discussion
for
discussion
time
as
far
as
questions,
then
I
guess
that's
it
for
now.
Thank
you.
D
J
Jolo,
thank
you.
I
have
a
a
couple
of
follow-up
questions
regarding
the
historic
district
destination.
Does
the
designation
imply
that
there
may
be
state
or
federal
funding
for
preservation
of
these
buildings.
K
So
if
I
understand
your
question
correctly
here,
I
sure
well
you're
asking
if
a
building
or
resource
is
historic
at
the
state
or
national
level
would
they
qualify
for
grants.
B
K
Yeah,
that
is,
that
is
correct.
There
is
a
special
grant
by
the
way
of
the
state
or
or
the
national
register
that
you
could
qualify
for.
Indeed,
if
you're
know,
your
structural
resource
is
historic
at
the
state
or
national
level,
which
would
only
be
available
for
state
for
national
level,
historic
resources
and
not
necessarily
available
for
local
historic
resources.
J
K
Yes,
so
specifically
on
page
eight
of
the
staff
report
staff
calls
out
all
the
benefits
by
way
of
the
local
historic
ordinance
which
includes
things
such
as
variances,
exemptions
from
non-conforming
uses
and
structures,
particularly
specific
to
area.
A
g
and
h
would
be
exemptions
from
requirements
of
the
downtown
precise
plan.
So
if
your
building
is
locally
historic,
this
would
also
apply
for
for
state
or
national
historic
structures.
Our
local
ordinance
provides
incentives
for
all
historic
resources.
F
G
That's
the
major
financial
benefit
that
they
have.
If
designated,
is
the
tax
benefit
they're?
Actually,
having
done
a
number
of
historic
renovations
accessing
funds
for
historic
structures
is
exceedingly
complicated,
detailed
and
scrutinized,
and
unfortunately,
most
of
the
buildings
here
are
very,
very
small
and
the
amount
of
administration
that
it
takes
for
a
property
owner
to
attempt
to
access
some
of
the
funding
sources
is
very
difficult,
very
challenging.
G
G
So
what
you
typically
find
when
people
are
doing
historic
renovations
of
major
landmark
buildings-
is
that
they're
relatively
large
in
scale
and
they
are
able
to
access
funds
at
a
fairly
large
scale,
and
it
covers
the
administrative
costs
that
are
associated
with
it,
and
we
had
a
long
conversation
with
our
with
the
historic
consultant
on
this,
and
that
was
their
experience.
Most
of
these
are
very
small
buildings
and,
and
so
there's
lit,
there's
just
limited
funds
available
for
these
types
of
small
interventions
that
would
take
place
to
improve
the
facades
etc.
J
Yeah
got
it
so
I
mean.
Maybe
this
is
a
discussion
item,
but
I'm
wondering
if
the
city
has
considered
setting
aside
money
to
help
these
owners,
since
this
is
such
an
important
asset
for
the
city.
If
the
owners
have
you
know,
limited
resources
to
be
able
to
put
in
in
preserving
these
features
of
the
buildings,
whether
the
city
has
any
other
role
to
play
to
help
them.
F
Out
so
I
believe
the
the
city
code
and
I'm
just
double
checking
in
the
because
I
think
we
had
it
in
the
staff
report.
F
F
F
Their
the,
I
don't
believe
the
city
has
adopted
a
fund
in
the
past
for
this
purpose.
But
again
I
do
kind
of
want
to.
You
know
reconfirm
that
you
know
there
are
property,
tax
programs,
property
tax
rebate
programs,
even
through
the
city
over
and
above
the
milsaq
property
tax
reductions
that
are
part
of
the
city
code
and
and
we
can
continue
to
develop
and
rely
upon.
F
If
that's
something
that
the
city
council,
the
the
epc,
wants
to
recommend
that
we
look
into,
we
could,
but
we
would
have
to
identify
funding
sources
for
it
as
well.
G
G
They
usually
have
little
small
thresholds
of
value
from
a
couple
of
hours
of
consultant,
improve
consultants,
consultation
for
color
selections,
awning
types:
how
to
fix
up
the
windows
things
like
that
to
maybe
a
five
to
ten
to
twenty
five
thousand
dollar
grant,
but
major
investment
on
a
facade
improvement
that
a
ten
of
two
hundred
000
or
something
to
that
in
that
kind
of
budgetary
realm,
which
is
what
most
would
take,
would
be
a
pretty
substantial,
a
pretty
substantial
fund
to
be
able
to
administer,
but
that
we
we
did
do
some
outline
ideas
about
what
that
might
look
like
from
a
cost
standpoint.
G
But
the
costs
are
fairly
substantial
now
to
make
construction
improvements
to
a
facade
of
a
building.
So
but
if
it's
just
painting
or
something
like
that,
those
were
kind
of
low-level
low-hanging.
Fruit
potentially.
But
those
are
the
challenges
with
those
those
programs
today
versus
in
the
80s.
J
D
C
I
just
have
one
question,
and
forgive
my
perhaps
nice
not
knowing
this,
but
even
if
the
whole
district
itself
is
not
designated
as
historic.
Individual
buildings
within
within
the
downtown
could
still
go
through
the
historic
designation
process.
Is
that
correct?
Moving
forward.
D
What
a
question
I've
got
in
the
one
of
the
public
comments.
It
mentions
that
the
precise
clam
already
designates
airah
as
a
historic
retail
district.
What
does
that
mean
in
the
context
of
place
plan.
K
Yeah,
so
so
that
is
correct.
The
downtown
precise
plan
already
caused
castro
street
as
the
historic
retail
area,
so
that
is
a
local
designation,
not
not
to
be
confused
with
a
state
or
national
historic
district.
K
Those
are
only
be
done
if
you
meet
the
qualifications
of
the
state
or
the
national
register
which,
according
to
you,
know,
trenton
and
our
consultant,
who
did
the
survey
of
downtown.
We
do
not
meet
those
requirements
of
the
state
or
the
national
register.
However
locally
we
have
that
historic
district
retail,
if
I
may
call
it
almost
an
overlay.
That
only
applies
to
the
downtown
precise
plan.
F
Yeah
and
I'll
just
further
clarify
thanks,
mr
martavia
I'll,
just
further
clarify
that
you
know
in
order
to
implement
it
as
a
historic
preservation
device,
it
would
need
to
be
in
the
city
code.
We
would
need
to
have
rules
about
what
that
means
right
now,
it's
just
a
name,
it's
just
a
title,
because
there
are
no
rules
about
what
that
means.
F
D
Together,
questions
on
historic
before
we
open
up
to
other
questions,
commissioner
yin
mr
hand
up.
I
I
The
suggestion
is
that
we
rely
on
development
standards
to
ensure
that
the
historic,
what
what
the
precise
plan
calls
the
retail
historic
district
to
remain
sort
of
that
characteristic
will
rely
on
development
standards
which,
if
I
recall
in
the
uli
report,
exhibit
4
had
said
that
it
is
very
difficult
to
mimic
what
is
organic
and
naturally
done
over
decades
and
decades.
But
if
I'm
hearing
all
the
discussion
correctly,
if
we
don't
have
protections
other
than
okay,
maybe
this
is
what
I'm
not
getting
right.
I
F
If
there
is
a
possibility
that
it
might
be
an
historic
resource
right,
that
would
trigger
the
potential
significant
impact
and
then
the
eir
becomes
the
the
kind
of
venue
for
that
discussion
right.
So
we
have
experts
that
we
hire.
That
would
make
a
determination
about
whether
it
actually
is,
and
then
those
experts,
those
expert
findings
would
be
publicly
disclosed
and
there
would
be
a
public
comment
period
and
there
would
be
an
opportunity
to
receive
that
public
comment
on
the
eir
as
well.
So
it
is
a
discussion
with
the
public
through
the
eir.
F
That's
the
process,
but
if
it
is
a
newer
building
or
if
it
is
clearly
a
building
that
does
not
have
the
integrity
of
an
historic
resource,
then
no,
we
wouldn't
do
an
eir,
and
we
wouldn't
have
that
conversation
and
and
we'd.
We
would
usually
determine
that
based
on
these
surveys
that
we
do
periodically,
who
would
go
through
and
say
no,
that
one's
definitely
not
definitely
not.
I
F
The
city
council
has,
you
know
full
discretion
and
again
I'm
saying
city
council
there
you
know
there
are.
There
may
be
cases
where
this
type
of
decision
could
be
in
front
of
the
zoning
administrator,
but
the
zoning
administrator
would
more
than
likely
not
approve
it
or
would
tee
it
up
to
directly
to
the
city
council.
So
these
questions
would
be
before
the
city.
It
would
be
fully
within
the
city's
discretion
to
to
deny
the
project
if
it
is
shown
that
it
does
have
an
impact
on
the
resource.
I
F
Yeah
there
are
yeah,
there
are
a
number
of
state
laws
that
provide
that
make
it
that
that
reduce
the
city's
ability
to
apply
development
standards.
F
There
are
also
state
laws
that
have
what's
called
ministerial
review,
which
means
that
there
is
no
discretion
for
certain
residential
projects,
but
I
think
under
those
state
laws,
though,
they
specifically
exempt
projects
that
are
going
to
impact
a
historic
resource.
F
Now
you're
asking
about
this
hypothetical
case
where
there
might
be
some
disagreement
about
whether
it's
historic
resource
and
the
the
technical
findings
are
that
it
is
not
an
historic
resource
and
then
they
would
be
able
to
go
through
and
would
have
certain
rights
under,
possibly
even
under
sb
35
or
would
could
could
force
the
city
to
make
denial
findings
for
other
projects,
which
is
often
hard
to
do
or
or
puts
the
city
in,
which
is
often
not
a
a
path
that
the
city
takes
right.
F
D
Right
questions
on
other
topics,
I
think
commissioner
meyer
had
some
you're
nice
enough
to
refer
to
historical
questions
for
a
while.
If
you
have
other
questions
you
wanted
to
bring
forward.
E
Sure-
and
I
guess
I
just
want
to
clarify
a
little
bit
on
the
sequencing,
because
I
understand
that
we're
really
early
on
there
pieces
that
are
happening
that
are
related
to
this,
but
I
spent
many
years
on
the
downtown
committee.
So
forgive
me
for
asking
the
parking
question,
but
parking
is
going
to
be
phase
two
right.
So
at
this
point,
that's
not
in
our
scope.
Really.
What
we're
looking
at
is
are
the
three
things
that
edgar
and
eric
mentioned
up
front.
Okay
in
terms
of
the
sequencing
of
the
transit
master
plan
in
moffat.
F
Tonight
so
we
don't
know
the
timing
of
a
future
moffitt
precise
plan.
I
know
council
asked
for
a
study
session
in
the
next
few
months,
probably
in
fall
to
talk
about
what
their
expectations
might
be
for
a
moffat
area,
precise
plan.
So
again
we
don't
even
know
what
the
scope
of
the
project
would
be,
so
we
can't
really
put
a
timeline
on
it.
F
This
phase
two
will
probably
follow
this
phase
one
and
then
also
the
downtown
parking
strategy
which
is
currently
underway
and
expected
to
be
done
in
the
fall.
So
depending
on
the
timing.
For
this
you
know
a
phase
two
could
could
start
in
2022.
F
Well,
the
transit
center
master
plan
has
a
pretty
well-developed
circulation
plan.
That's
actually
moving
forward.
Oh
okay,
putting
putting
the
you
know,
pedestrian
access
under
the
tracks
and
you
know
moving
vehicle
access
over
to
evelyn
so
that
it
can
ramp
up
to
shoreline.
F
So
all
of
that
is
is
pretty
well
developed.
I
think
the
later
stages
of
the
transit
center
master
plan,
which
is
not
which
has
not
been
very
well
developed,
are
the
characteristics
of
a
potential
development
or
public-private
partnership
on
the
trans
center
site,
but
yeah.
We
are
moving
forward
on
all
of
those
different
aspects
of
the
transit
center
master
plan.
As
far
as
circulation
goes.
G
You
might
want
to
also
mention
the
pedestrian
mall
castro
street
pedestrian
space,
design,
efforts
that
are
going
on
separate
from
this,
so
that
because
people
commented
on
it
up
in
the
public
as
well.
F
Yeah,
so
that's
certainly
something
that's
going
on
as
well
and
I
believe
in
the
council
answers
we
gave
a
timeline
for
that
and
I'll
just
pull
that
up
right
now.
E
F
E
And
then
my
last
question,
which
again
feel
free
to
tell
me
this
is
the
almost
scope,
but
one
of
the
as
I
was
reading
the
staff
report
and
thinking
about
this
I
mean
if
there
are
new
standards
that
are
allowed
to
help
clarify
some
of
the
you
know
the
look
and
feel
compatibility
all
of
those
things
is
there
any
tool,
and
maybe
this
is
more
the
downtown
committee.
E
Maybe
it's
the
city
council,
where,
as
properties
are
getting
redeveloped,
that
existing
business
tenants
maybe
are
offered
or
somehow
partnered
or
connected
to
redevelop
space,
because
one
of
the
things
I
think
I
don't
know
if
there's
enough
opportunity
to
leap
frog
right,
but
so
forgive
the
example
but
jamie
street
roasting
company.
There's
a
big
three-story
development,
that's
happening
across
the
street.
Is
there
an
opportunity
to
at
least
connect?
E
You
know
some
of
the
businesses
where
their
leases
are
expiring
and
potentially
their
site
stands
for
redevelopment
under
these
new
standards
to
be
connected
to
the
future
development.
Is
that
the
chamber
of
commerce?
Is
that
like
what
what
tools
potentially
exist
in
our
toolkit
to
to
preserve
long-standing
downtown
businesses
as
new
development
comes
online
and
potentially
they're
seeking
ground
floor
activation,
but
that
kind
of
a
right
of
first
refusal
to
downtown
businesses
and
who
were
already
there
and
could
face
displacement?
F
Question
so
we
don't
currently
have,
for
example,
a
business
displacement
program,
but
you
know
if
that's
something
that
the
city
is
interested
in
in
looking
into
we.
You
know
there
are
certainly
paths
to
make
that
type
of
thing
happen
and,
and
certainly
other
cities
do
it.
I
would
also
say
that
that's
part
of
the
role
of
our
economic
development
division
is
to
kind
of
manage
those
relationships
and
look
for
those
kinds
of
opportunities
and
then
also,
like
you
said
chamber
of
commerce
downtown
business
association.
F
The
you
know,
all
kinds
of
other
organizations
are
acting
on
behalf
of
downtown
businesses.
D
I
I
F
Yeah,
I
don't
have
detailed
information
about
next
steps
for
the
project,
but
certainly
it's
something
that
I
think
I
can
follow
up
on
and
report
back
more
comprehensively,
maybe
with
the
public.
You
know
with
the
next
steps
for
this
project.
D
Yeah
just
a
question
question
for
mr
williams:
you
mentioned
these
programs
that
you've
seen
in
the
past.
You
know
smaller
scale
than
full
renovations,
but
did
they
work
and
were
they
utilized
by
the
by
the
smaller
cities.
G
G
But
the
other
thing
that
they
would
do
is
provide
a
few
hours
of
consultant
efforts
and
expertise
to
kind
of
help
them
not
do
something
bad
by
doing
it
even
less
expensively
like
remove
all
the
old
window
panes
because
they're
old
and
you
wanted
something
new
to
try
to
maintain
those
and
enhance
those.
I
think
you
have
design
standards
that
kind
of
go
to
that
effort.
G
Improve
the
whole
systems
of
buildings,
etc.
So
they
can
do
a
little
bit
to
help
clean
up
and
get
the
right
types
of
doors
on
new,
on
building
facades
and
protect
the
existing
window
fabric
systems
and
things
like
that.
But
not
they
wouldn't
do
substantial
renovation
efforts,
just
small
small
decorative
things
generally
and
and
they
were
generally
generally
fairly
successful.
G
Yes,
you
have
you
have
a
unique
group
of
you
know.
You
have
a
great
group
of
individual
property
owners
that
own
individual
buildings
that
have
been
doing
pretty
well
over
the
last
20
years
and
you've
seen
a
lot
of
success
and
you
have
some
unique
uses
in
them,
but
they
don't
they
because
they're
also
a
lot
a
lot
of
long-term
owners.
They
don't
necessarily
have
the
incentive
to
do
a
large,
a
lot
of
large
upgrades
and
put
that
kind
of
effort
into
their
property.
G
Some
do
some
don't,
but
but
small-scale
facade
improvements
are
generally
what
they
do
and
they're
usually
triggered
by
tenants
changing,
and
things
like
that.
So
you
might
see
a
little
bit
more
of
that
happening
since
you
do
have
some
additional
vacancies
in
the
downtown
right
now,
due
to
covet
and
you'll,
see
a
burst
of
energy.
Positive
energy
at
people
fixing
things
up
after
as
they
continue
to
open
up
in
the
next
year
or
so.
I
would
I'm
expecting
that.
D
And
another
question,
without
any
in
the
standards
that
you
talked
about,
none
of
them
at
this
point
really
talked
about
landscape,
and
one
of
the
speakers
spoken
about
the
fact
that
some
areas
of
downtown
are
you
know
tree
lined
lots.
You
know
very
green
and
other
side
streets.
Aren't
that
way.
D
You
are
you
envisioning
that
we
would
include
these
wouldn't
just
be
setbacks,
and
things
like
that
that
you
would
be
including
things
like
streetscapes
and
to
try
to
get
more
of
that
that
green
downtown
in
place,
or
is
that
just
something
we
need
to
tell
you
we'd
like
you
to
do
that.
G
Well,
I
think
that
one
of
the
reasons
I
mentioned
the
kind
of
pedestrian
mall
pedestrian
zone
efforts
going
on
in
parallel
is
that
there
is
another
planning
effort
that
eric
just
mentioned
is
going
to
be
done.
G
This
might
be
a
little
bit
ahead,
but
it
might
be
very,
very
close
to
the
same
time
so
that
that
effort,
which
would
incorporate
such
things
as
street
trees
and
lighting
and
changes
to
the
sidewalks
and
landscaping
and
stuff
that's
in
the
public
right-of-way
will
all
will
probably
happen
in
conjunction
in
parallel
with
this
effort
separate,
but
parallel.
F
Yeah,
I
I
think
that's
what
what's
referring
to
is
the
pedestrian.
But
again
I
want
to
re-emphasize
that
you
know
council's
direction,
for
this
phase
was
of
limited
scope
and
that
you
know
that's
kind
of
what
we're
tasked
to
do
we're
not
tasked
to
look
at
public
rights
away.
F
Task
that
we're
not
scoped
to
do
right
now,
although
I
could
absolutely
see
it
being
part
of
phase
two
like
looking
at
other
streets.
You
know
we
are
focusing
a
lot
with
castro
street
the
pedestrian
streetscape,
but
we
could
very
well,
you
know
reimagine
hope
street
reimagine,
california
street.
You
know
and
and
kind
of
what
those
rights
away
look
like,
but
you
know
you
know.
F
All
of
those
streets
are
in
the
scope,
but
I
just
want
to
say
that
it's
it's
one
thing
to
look
at
zoning
standards
when
you
are
applying
it
to
private
property
building
envelope.
You
know
design
and
you
know
historic
preservation
and
uses.
D
And
then
the
last
question
called
the
other
clips
I
mentioned
when
our
brief
call,
you
had
called
out
ab1401
as
something
that
might
affect
us.
Did
you
identify
any
other
earned
bills
that
you
think
that
we
should
be
conscious
of
or
that
you'd
be
concerned
about,
or
it
was
the
rest
of
the
commission?
D
I
was
surprised
that
a
a
bill
that
has
only
made
it
through
two
committees
and
has
not
even
made
it
to
the
assembly
for
was
called
out
as
something
for
us
to
consider-
and
I
didn't
know
it
just
it
raised
the
question
my
mind
is
that
are
they
they
have
concern
that
that
was
particularly
likely
to
pass,
and
that
led
the
question
of.
Is
there
anything
else
like
that
that
we
should
be
conscious
of.
F
We
included
that
in
the
staff
report,
just
because
it
was
you
know,
unlike
the
one
that
kind
of
has
been
kind
of
talked
about
for
the
last
couple
of
years,
the
the
one
that
you
talked
about
in
our
private
meeting
about
the
commercial
conversion,
which
is
really
about
kind
of
strip
mall
conversions
to
residential.
F
This
was
one
that's
that
has
just
kind
of
come
up
this
year,
and
so
we
just
want
to
kind
of
make
sure
that
everybody's
aware
of
it.
It's
not
at
this
point.
We
don't
have
any
reason
to
believe
that
it's
any
more
or
less
likely
than
you
know
the
commercial
conversion,
one
that
you
and
I
were
talking
about.
D
Thanks,
commissioner,
phillips
had
a
chance
to
speak
that.
H
So
it
would
be
helpful
to
me
personally
for
you
to
set
expectations
of
what
you
really
want
from
us
this
evening,
because
we,
you
know,
I
think
it's
even
confusing
from
the
public
feedback
point
of
view,
because
we've
gotten
so
many
different
concerns
and
issues
that
we're
brought
forward
and
I'm
not
sure
if
that
is
really
in
our
area
of
feedback
to
give
to
you.
But
you
know
we
certainly
want
to
address
what
you
need
us
to
do
this
evening.
So
it
would
be
helpful
for
me
if
we
could
just
quantify
that.
H
I
know
we
have
that
in
the
questions,
but
I
think
perhaps
a
little
expanded
clarification
would
be
helpful.
Eric.
F
Sure
I
mean
I
think
the
the
bare
minimum
that
staff
would
need
would
be
just
confirmation
that
we're
going
in
the
right
direction.
We
had
a
lot
of
recommendations
in
the
staff
report,
including
proposed
changes
to
uses.
We
also
had
some
diagrams
that
we're
going
to
be
working
off
of
and
some
additional
design
guidance
and
standards
that
we're
going
to
continue
to
develop.
So
you
know
confirmation
that
we're
going
in
the
right
direction
or
disagreement,
you
know
no
don't
go
in
this
direction,
go
in
a
different
direction.
F
I
think
in
looking
at
any
of
the
additional
materials
that
we
provided.
If
there's
anything
else
that
you
want
us
to
focus
on,
I
think
that
would
be
bonus.
So
if
you
know
the
commission,
you
know,
as
a
group
says
yeah,
you
know
these
things
all
look
pretty
good,
but
we
really
really
want
to
make
sure
that
you
focus
on.
F
You
know
these
particular
architectural
styles
or
these
particular
features
on
buildings,
or
you
know
ensuring
that
office
buildings
are,
you
know,
have
their
massing,
that
kind
of
respects
the
scale
and
character
of
downtown
and
really
focus
on
that.
So
so
any
kind
of
direction
that
you
want
us
to
focus
on
would
be
great
as
well.
D
I
I
F
I'm
only
aware
of
a
couple,
you
know,
I
think
the
there's
the
china
delight,
which
you
know.
I
I
I
don't
know
the
story
there.
Honestly.
You
know
it's
been
vacant,
for
I
don't
know
years,
some
more
and
clearly
the
property
owner
has
no
interest
in
in
renting
it
out.
I
mean
it
would
be
a
viable
site
for
any
number
of
different
uses,
but
it
and
it's
a
you-
know
it's
a
fairly
large
building
fairly
large
site.
But
you
know
the
other
example
that
I
think
comes
up.
F
A
lot
is
the
corner
of
villa
and
bryant,
where
the
there
was
supposed
to
be
a
coffee
shop
there.
That
was
never
rented
out.
You
know
and
that's
kind
of
a
well-known
example,
because
it's
been
brought
up
a
lot
by
the
community,
and
you
know
the
story.
There
was
supposedly
that
the
property
owner
had
no
incentive
to
rent
it
out
because
the
the
offices
preferred
that
it
not
be
a
public
facing
use
the
I'm
not
aware
of
any
others.
F
I
am
aware
of
you
know,
other
property
owned
properties
that
have
been
that
have
had
long-term
vacancies,
but
where
we
were
in
conversation
with
the
property
owner
about
them,
saying
you
know
what
about
this
tenant?
Could
that
work?
What
about
this
tenant?
Could
that
work?
So
you
know
I'm
not
aware
of
any
other
sites
where
the
property
owner
just
didn't
care
and
wasn't
interested
in
renting
it
out.
I
Oh
sorry,
no
rumors
abound,
so
you
know
I
had
just
heard
from
some
people
that
there
was
actually
one
landlord
who
had
multiple
buildings
and
fell
into
that
category,
and
so
I
just
wasn't
sure
if
there
actually
was
a
survey
done
where
attempts
were
made
to
locate
owners
and
say:
hey
your
place
has
been
vacant
for
years.
Is
there
anything
you
want
to
do
about
it,
or
can
we
help
you
to
do
something
about
it?
I
In
fact,
in
the
uli
report
it
said
that
the
broker
didn't
even
a
lot
of
the
workers,
didn't
even
know
that
mountain
view
had
vacancies
and
that
there
was
the
story
to
tell
and
they're
like.
Please
hire
someone
so
that
we
can.
We
can
find
out
about
this.
I
think
they
were
excited
to
learn
about
it.
So
I
just
want
to
get
a
clear
picture
of
why
we
have
what
we
have,
what
the
reasons
are
and
then
it's
easier
to
make.
You
know
recommendations
based
on
that.
D
Now
we
want
to
get
toward
the
end
of
questions
and
move
on
to
the
discussion,
so
vice
chair,
oh
additional
questions
or
questions,
there
hasn't
a
chance
to
ask
any
questions.
Let
me
go
to
him
first
and
then
we'll
come
back
to
the
original.
I'm.
L
Easy,
I
just
want
to
second
what
commissioner,
you
just
said.
I
think
that
that's
actually
really
smart.
I
would
be
very
interested
to
know
what
some
of
the
barriers
are
to
getting
some
of
those
vacant
storefronts
filled,
if
there's
any
kind
of
proper
role
for
the
city
and
helping
that
along
because
that's,
I
think
the
best
way
to
activate
downtown
is
fill
some
of
those
empty
slots.
D
J
Thank
you.
I
have
gotten
some
community
feedback
for
the
downtown
area,
lacking
safe
bike,
storage
or
bike.
Valet
people
want
to
be
able
to
bike
to
downtown,
but
they
feel
like
they
don't
have
a
safe
place
to
store
their
bike
while
they
shop
or
so
I'm
wondering
if
that's
something
that's
in
our
scope,
to
bring
up
and
discuss
tonight
or
is
that
for
a
later
phase.
F
So
public
bike
parking,
we
will
probably
be
discussing
as
part
of
the
downtown
parking
strategy
with
city
council.
Probably
in
a
later
you
know
not
this
upcoming
meeting,
but
but
in
a
later
meeting
it
will
be
one
of
the
tools
that
we
will
be
looking
at.
If
you're
talking
about
private
bike
parking,
I
assume
you're
talking
about
public
bike
parking
because
it's
you
know
valet
for
anybody
coming
in
yeah.
F
The
only
other
thing
that
I
know
of
is
the
the
shelter
over
there
at
the
transit
center,
which
you
know.
If
you
contact
city
hall,
you
can
you
can
get
a
key
to
it
and
and
have
access
to
that
shelter
and
there
may
be
changes
to
that
from
the
transit
center
master
plan.
But
I'm
not
aware
of.
D
Any
all
right,
then,
let's
move
on
to
the
questions
that
staff
was
brought
forward.
First
item
was
the
epc
sport,
the
historic
preservation
staff
recommended
to
rely
on
existing
preservation,
incentives
of
authority
under
sequa
and
the
city
code.
E
D
C
I
also
support
the
staff
recommendation.
I
don't
need
to
hear
how
much
thought
has
gone
into
potential
backup
measures
in
lieu
of
designating
downtown
mountain
view.
As
a
historical
district.
I
think
I
hear
the
amount
of
concern
from
my
fellow
residents
of
mountain
view,
and
so
I
think
hopefully,
if
we
are
vigilant
and
continue
to
monitor
the
safety
nets
in
place
and
update,
is
needed.
It
sounds
like
the
precise
plan
would
allow
for
those
updates,
so
I
will
also
support
the
staff.
H
And
I
I
will
also
support
the
staff
direction
because
I
think,
with
our
questions,
I
think
you
realize
that
we
still
have
some
gaps.
I
think
when
you
are
dependent
on
the
national
and
the
state
standards
that
are
passed
down,
we
kind
of
recognize
that
we
need
to
be
a
little
bit
more
vigilant
locally
about
how
we
address
kind
of
individual
sites
and
how
we
want
to
you
know,
preserve
that
look
and
feel.
H
I
think
that
is,
you
know,
come
across
with
the
public
comments
that
people
are
very
concerned
about
that
look
and
feel
and
to
maintain
the
the
you
know,
the
few
historical
sites
from
our
perspective,
that
we
want
to
make
sure
that
our
are
considered
and
that
that
stay
in
place.
But
I
think
for
the
moment
I
think
at
this
particular
point
where
we
are,
I
think,
we're
we're
moving
in
the
right
direction.
I
Yeah,
I
just
you
know,
I
have
concerns
and
I'll
just
state
them
as
quickly
as
I
can,
and
this
is
going
on
a
little
bit
longer
than
maybe
expected.
I
So
I
I
this
one
question
is:
does
do
city
leaders
does
the
community?
Do
the
businesses
feel
that
having
a
historic
downtown
is
an
asset,
and
it
seems
to
me
through
what
the
workshops
with
the
stakeholders
have
said
through
what
community
members
have
said
through?
Even
what
some
of
us
have
said,
and
even
the
report
that
was
put
together
by
uli
had
said
that
it's
actually
a
huge
strength,
probably
the
predominant
strength.
I
We
have
incentives
in
place
for
upkeep,
we
have
tax
breaks.
We
have
a
whole
list
that
you
guys
put
together.
Thank
you
very
much
for
all
that
work.
It
looks
like
a
significant
list,
but
then
I'm
also
hearing
that
it's
very
hard
to
attain
those
incentives
to
get
them,
and
if
those
were
already
in
place
and
still
no
upkeep,
then
what
is
the
difference.
I
So
I
guess
I'm
a
little
bit
worried
that,
if
we're
relying
on
development
standards,
development
standards,
I
think,
are-
are
going
to
help
tremendously
to
maintain
sort
of
a
historic
look
and
feel
of
the
historic
area.
But
it
is
not
the
same
as
having
the
historic
buildings
in
place.
I
Now
it
doesn't
mean
if
you're
historic,
you
can't
change.
In
fact,
I
think
most
historian,
most
architectural
historians
prefer
that
the
buildings
adapt
so
that
they
can
be
actively
used,
and
it
doesn't
mean
that
it
has
to
be
a
museum.
In
fact,
they
argue
strongly
against
it
that
if
we
don't
actually
preserve
the
buildings
that
have
been
there
and
have
historic
value
and
we're
just
going
to
sort
of
mimic
a
historic
district,
that
is
exactly
what
the
urban
land
institute
said.
I
So
I
guess
my
concern
is:
if
we
don't
protect
the
genuineness
of
our
historic
district,
then
we're
left
with
mimicking
and
mimicking
has
already
proven
to
not
work.
So
that's
my
concern
and
then
you
know
what
you
know
if
business
owners
are
not
incentivized
to
make
changes,
given
all
the
benefits
that
are
listed,
what
is
preventing
them
from
just
getting
together
with
their
neighbor
and
saying,
hey,
let's
sell,
let's
just
build
a
new
one
and
then
use
the
development
development
would
say.
Let's
just
use
the
standards
to
recreate
a
historic
look.
I
G
Up
if
I
could
just
say
just
what
you
pointed
out,
the
wells,
fargo
building
and
the
church
building-
and
you
said
they're
almost
a
block
long-
is
exactly
why
I
would
suggest
that
the
area
h
won't
see
that
type
of
development,
because
those
parcels
are
all
25
feet
or
50
feet,
long
and
they're
all
owned
by
individual
people
who
have
owned
them
for
an
incredibly
long
time,
and
so
what
you
generally
find
in
those
patterns
is
you
don't
find
major
aggregation?
G
G
The
any
sites
that
have
an
inkling
of
interest
of
redevelopment
are
generally
sites
that
are
larger
sites
that
are
on
the
corners
that
don't
have
important
buildings
on
them
that
are
going
to
raise
the
ire
of
the
public
if
they
were
going
to
be
considered
to
be
removed,
and
so
and
and
in
talking
with
the
general
interest
level
of
the
development
community.
G
G
Needing
to
park
those
projects
on
site,
that
really
is
keeping
those
developments
from
occurring,
and
you
haven't
really
seen
a
lot
of
development
on
small
sites
because
they
can't
park
the
upper
floor
uses
on
sites
they.
They
aren't
able
to
even
take
advantage
of
the
floor
area
ratio
that
they
currently
have
on
the
property
under
the
zoning,
because
you
can't
park
them.
G
So
I
think
that
there
are
mechanisms
in
place
that
are
restricting
the
development
potential
and
I
I
I'm
hearing
a
huge
concern
over
castro
street
changing
dramatically
and
I
actually
have
having
looked
at
it
for
the
last
20
years.
Now
I
I'm
not
seeing
it
as
being
a
huge
sensitive
area
is
sensitive
in
the
sense
that
it's
being
threatened
for
change.
G
I
Okay,
thank
you.
I
I
do
appreciate
what
you're
saying
and
I
am
hearing
you,
I'm
just
gonna
play
devil's
advocate
a
little
bit.
If
you
don't
mind,
mr
williams,
I
know
you've
been
doing
this
a
long
time.
20
years
is
definitely
a
long
time,
but
some
of
these
buildings
were
built
before
1900,
so
things
do
change.
I
So
what
happens
then?
And
again
when
you
say
you
don't
see
a
whole
lot
of
you
know
potential
for
that.
As
I
mentioned
earlier,
the
last
one
was
tidehouse
and
the
wallhammer
house
that
was
a
big
one
and
they
were
going
to
aggregate
and
put
up
a
big
office
building.
So
I
my
concerns
I
feel
like.
Are
they
they
remain.
D
All
right,
commissioner,
dempsey.
L
So
so
for
me
I'll
be
supporting
the
the
staff
reco,
because
I
agree
with
the
outcome,
but
I
did
want
to
say
one
thing
and
that's
in
an
ideal
world.
L
I
would
have
liked
it
if
we
could
have
just
continued
this
item
for
two
weeks
in
order
for
the
a
couple
of
reasons
really
sort
of
in
the
spirit
of
transparency
and
good
process,
I
noticed
that
some
of
our
friends
in
the
community
were
concerned
about
not
understanding
exactly
how
we
did
our
math
in
the
snap
report
and
I
think
we've
gotten
a
lot
more
clarity
now,
but
I
just
I
think
I
just
wish
that
in
an
ideal
world
we
could.
We
could
wait
just
a
tiny
bit
longer
revise
the
staff
report.
L
So
it's
clear
for
you
know
for
all
in
sunday
into
the
future,
exactly
how
we
came
to
the
decision
we
did
because
process
is
important
and
transparency
is
important.
Having
said
that,
I
still
agree
with
the
outcome
so
I'll
be
supporting
it
today,
but
I
just
wanted
to
make
a
plug
for
transparency.
J
Thank
you.
I
do
share
some
of
the
concerns
that
the
public
has
raised,
especially
speakers
from
liberal
mountain
view,
and,
of
course,
commissioner
yin.
J
I
I
wanted
to
follow
up
on
what
eric
had
said
earlier,
which
is
regarding
the
local
destination
right
now,
there's
no
rule
to
implement
it,
it's
in
the
name
only
and
it
needs
to
be
in
the
city
code
in
order
for
it
to
be
really
have
some
teeth
behind
it.
So
I'm
just
wanted
to
understand
a
bit
more
whether
that
is
something
that
we
should
look
at
doing
to
add
it
to
the
the
ordinance
the
city
code.
F
We
are
certainly
have
it
on
our
kind
of
long-term
work
plan
to
do
an
update
to
our
historic
ordinance,
which,
which
could
include
that
I
mean
we
haven't
gotten
into
the
detail
yet
of
everything
that
our
historic
ordinance
could
include.
But
it
is
certainly
in
our
long-term
work
plan,
and
you
know,
council's
in
the
middle
of
the
strategic
roadmap
process,
and
you
know,
is,
is
kind
of
making
that
call
about
how
to
prioritize
projects
like.
D
F
I
don't
think
it's
on
the
latest
list,
but
I'm
not
100
sure.
Unfortunately,.
J
Okay,
yes,
I
I
think
we,
I
would
love
to
see
that,
as
she
said,
it's
a
long
term
direction
that
we
move
towards,
so
that
the
protection
can
be
stronger
than
just
in
the
design.
D
I
Yeah
quickly,
you
know
back
to
what
I
was
saying
earlier
was
just
if
everybody
kind
of
values
the
historic
aspect
of
it,
then
is
there
something
we
can
do
different
tax
incentives?
Someone
had
mentioned
some
sort
of
fund
for
the
businesses
so
that
they
can
be
helped.
You
know
incentivize
like
facade
improvements,
or
is
there
a
consultant
that
can
be
hired
out
of
those
funds
to
expedite
some
of
these
tax
benefits
that
are
so
difficult
to
transfer,
I'm
just
trying
to
find
solutions.
I
So
these
are
things
I'm
hoping
can
be
part
of
the
discussion
and
kind
of
zipped
up
to
counsel
to
to
think
about
and
for
staff.
I
know
you
guys
have
worked
very
hard
on
this,
but
if
there,
if
there's
anything
else
that
can
be
done,
you
know,
aside
from
saying
it's
just
really
hard
they're
not
going
to
do
anything.
I
We
can
only
enforce
new
buildings
and
have
them
kind
of
make
it
look
like
it's
historic,
I'm
not
trying
to
downplay
that.
That
is
important
and
I
value
it.
But
back
to
my
my
concern
about
the
actual
historic
buildings,
I
just
wonder
what
else
can
be
done
to
find
solutions
for
the
business
owners
to
you
know
really
partake
in
you
know,
take
pride
in
their
historic
building
in
the
fact
that
it's
the
heart
of
the
city
that
so
many
people
in
the
city
really
enjoy
the
charm
and
character.
I
And
you
know
it's
it's
the
number
one
strength
of
our
downtown.
It's
three
little
blocks
and
it'd
be
nice.
If
we
could,
you
know
do
what
we
can
to
to
help
help
out.
H
Based
on
those
comments,
I
think
it
would
be
good
to
kind
of
add
that
into
our
recommendations
and
the
council
that
that
we
do
have
those
more
local
details
from
historical
perspective
just
in
court
and
incorporated
into
our
ordinance,
because
we
don't
have
one,
but
it
seems
like
from
our
discussions
that
there's
definitely
a
desire
to
make
sure
that
that
we
do
cover
that
topic.
H
You
know
possible
ordinance
that
would
cover
that
beyond
building
designs,
and
I'm
I'm
wondering
you
know
if
the
if
an
owner
does
not
want
to
upgrade
or
update
their
historic
building.
Is
there
any
consequence?
F
I
mean
when
things
get
literally
unsafe,
there
are
certainly
nuisance
and
code
enforcement
actions
that
the
city
can
take
beyond
that.
No
there's,
there's!
No.
You
know
enforcement
standard
that
we
can
take
where
it's
you
know
something
needs
a
little
bit
of
tlc.
We
don't.
We
don't
have
any
enforcement
that
I
know
of.
I
don't
know.
If
sandy
are
you
looking.
M
C
C
If
there's
any
other
carrots,
I
think
that
vice
chair
low
brings
up
a
really
good
point
and
commissioner,
as
well
looking
at
right
long
term.
What
is
the
big
picture-
and
I
know
that
we
just
went
through
and
gave
our
list
of
recommendations,
but-
and
I
I
didn't
really
think
about
it-
the
historical
preserve
ordinance.
C
I
wasn't
really
sure
what
that
meant.
I
think
looking
at
that
list,
but
hearing
this
discussion
and
how
passionate
people
are.
I
think
that
could
be
something
interesting
to
look
into.
I
was
gonna
bring
up
this
comment
under
question
two.
I
guess
my
one
concern
with
either
penalizing
or
I
guess
the
number
of
requirements
for
businesses
is
like
one
of
the
public
comments
that
we
got.
There
is
a
lot
of
vacancy
in
downtown
mountain
view.
I
will
not
pretend
to
be
an
expert
on
the
nature
of
these
vacancies.
C
C
D
Let
me
oh
my
comment,
I'm
so
in
general,
what
stats
has
proposed,
I'm
supportive
of
in
the
questions
that
I've
provided
to
staff
ahead
of
time?
I
asked
the
question
about
some
of
the
things
that
hercules
have
done
in
their
precise
plan
and
scott
mentioned
that
council
specifically
didn't
want
to
do
form-based
zoning,
and
that's
that's
not
actually
what
I
was
getting
to
in
the
examples
of
hercules.
They
actually
looked
at.
D
Here's
accountability,
design
from
this
time
period
and
standards
were
kind
of
based
around
that,
and
I
the
in
the
exhibit
aid
of
this
of
the
staff
report.
It
showed
some
of
these
things
of
what
you
might
do
in
design
and
standards.
D
But
one
of
the
examples
given
was
the
fenwick
and
best
femwick
and
west
building,
and
I
don't
view
that
as
a
historical
building
at
all,
okay,
so
the
ones
where
you
were
showing
examples
of
how
you
might
define
the
standards
on
on
what
can
be
what
can
be
done
and
go
for
it
go
forward.
I
would
prefer
that
those
standards
be
based
on
buildings
were
from
the
1800s
and
the
buildings
from
the
early
1900s,
rather
than
the
ones
that's
based
on
something
was
built
10
years
ago.
D
That
doesn't
mean
that
the
style
of
offensive
invest,
building,
couldn't
meet
those
criteria,
but
it
just
it
struck
me
as
not
being
if
we're
trying
to
have
a
character.
That's
consistent
with
those
historic
buildings,
basing
one
of
them
on
the
famicom
west
building
seems
like
that's
not
as
inconsistent
with
what
we're
trying
to
do.
Okay,
so
I
like
the
idea
of
the
standards.
D
Let's
just
try
to
keep
those
focused
on
that
historic
feel
that
we
have
downtown
rather
than
been
something.
That's
that's
purely
contemporary
doesn't
mean
they
can't
break
it
work
and
then
I'm
I'm
a
believer
in
both
carrot
and
stick
I'm
a
homeowner.
Some
of
us
also
are
homeowners,
and
if
you
do
a
little
bit
of
repairs
now
and
then
your
house
lasts
much
longer
and
you
don't
have
to
do
those
major
overhauls,
so
I
would
be
very.
D
I
would
really
like
to
recommend
the
council
that
we
look
at
something
like
what
mr
williams
talked
about,
which
is
a
smaller
scale
program
that
makes
it
easy.
It
has
a
smaller
amount
of
funds
for
businesses
to
do
touch-ups.
They
can
do
they
can
repaint
their
building.
They
can
do
if
they've
got
one
window
that
needs
to
be
repaired.
D
Maybe
it
falls
into
that
if
it
gets
to
the
point
where
they
have
to
do
a
quarter
million
or
300
thousand
dollar
overhaul,
it's
something's
been
going
on
wrong
for
a
long
time
and
something
in
place
that
has
a
is
it
a
percentage
of
downtown
sales,
taxes
or
whatever
that
encourages
them
to
come
back
and
say,
hey
I'll,
give
you
a
forgivable
loan.
You
go
ahead
and
put
in
twenty
thousand
dollars
in
improvements,
and
now
your
building
lasts
for
another
five
years.
That's
a
good
thing,
so
I
like
the
carrot.
D
Certainly
some
of
the
vacancies
right
now
are
a
result
of
coca.
Your
business
is
just
struggling,
and
I
contest
to
that.
But
san
francisco
did
put
in
place
a
program
that
says
if
you
leave
your
building
vacant
for
a
certain
period
of
time,
I'm
gonna
fine,
you,
okay,
if
you're
not
making
any
effort
to
release
your
space
that
that
actually
creates.
Then
the
stick
that
says:
if
you
just
sit
there
and
do
nothing
with
your
building,
that's
not
cool
either
do
both.
It
says
I
don't.
D
I
don't
think
the
city
has
the
money
to
do
quarter
million
upgrades
to
every
building
in
downtown,
but
if
we
made
it
easier
for
them
to
do
small
upgrades
here
and
there
that's
a
good
thing
and
also
whack
them
on
the
head,
if
they're
sitting
and
doing
nothing
and
not
trying
yeah
letting
the
real
estate
agents
in
the
area
know
that
hey
my
space
is
for
rent
come
come
to
mountain
view,
then
maybe
that
would
encourage
them
to
go.
Look
at
it
further.
I
Yeah,
I
also
believe
in
the
carrot
and
the
stick,
I
believe
in
a
nice
juicy
carrot
to
the
extent
possible
that
is
not
unreasonable
and
using
the
stick
sparingly,
but
when
it
comes
to
vacancies
that
gives
the
perception,
regardless
of
the
reason
it
gives
perception,
that
businesses
are
not
doing
well,
it
makes
it
harder
for
the
neighbors
to
rent.
It
makes
it
harder
for
the
neighbors
to
draw
business
with
covid.
I
I
think
things
will
improve
in
time
past
covid,
so
hopefully
just
in
time
for
many
of
the
business
owners,
but
I
do
think
long-term
vacancies
are
really
something
we
need
to
address.
D
J
Thanks,
I
have
another
suggestion
which
is
to
help
make
these
older
buildings
more
sustainable
so
that
they
can
save
energy
and
the
buildings
can
be
used
for
much
longer
time
to
bring
them.
You
know
more
up
to
date,
whether
there's
any
sustainability
grant
out
there
that
they
can
tap
into
or
the
city
can
help
them
apply
to.
I
I
don't
know
the
answer,
but
I
just
wanted
to
put
that
idea
out
there.
J
Especially
with
you
know,
some
of
the
federal
money
that's
being
given
to
cities
and
whatnot.
I
don't
know
if
erica
rick
know
anything
about
that.
G
I'll
just
say
that
you
know
pg
e
has
some
upgrade
efforts,
etc
that
are
generally
ongoing
there.
There
aren't
a
lot
of
sustainability
grants
out
out
there
right
now
for
for
kind
of
minor
improvements,
they're
more
oriented
to
larger
scale
projects,
but
but
we
will
take
a
look
at
it
and
and
bring
those
back
if
we
find
any.
D
All
right,
we
ready
to
move
on
to
question
two
right,
commissioner,.
I
Yeah
one
last
thing:
I
believe
the
city
hired
a
new
economic
or
vitality
manager,
mr
lang
and
I
don't
know
when
he
was
hired
or
how
long
he's
been
working.
But
did
he
have
any
input
on
this
since
he's
dealing
with
the
businesses,
and
I
would,
I
would
think
that
perhaps
he
would
have
some
ideas
and
hope
that
we
get
his
input
into
how
we
can
juice
up
the
carrot.
Or
you
know,
under
what
conditions
can
the
stick
come
out.
F
K
Yeah,
so
you
know,
I
have
shared
the
report
with
her
and
highlighted
you
know
if
we
do
look
at
possibly
in
the
incentives
of
the
likes,
as
we've
been
hearing
today
and
tiffany
highlighted
that
the
the
dealing
with
that
is
going
to
be
finding
funds
and
obviously
those
funds
would
have
to
come
up
from
somewhere
and
likely
the
city
and
to
it
would
require
staff
time
to
look
into
possible
funding
if
there
is
any
available.
K
D
Okay,
so
question
two:
does
the
pc
support
the
development
character
and
design
staff
recommendations,
update
areas,
a
g
and
h
standards
and
our
guidelines,
including
the
projector
standards
such
as
fir
clarify
the
design
expectations
of
area
age?
H
E
I
really
like
the
emphasis
on
compatibility.
I
mean,
I
think
the
challenge
is
that
we
want
to
send
a
signal
of
what
we're
looking
for
and
have
uniform
standards
and
guidelines
for
that
point.
So
I
I
think
the
emphasis
is
just
spot
on.
I
hear
and
throw
other
concerns
about.
You
know,
parcel
consolidation
and
what
that
could
mean,
but
I
think
because
these
are
relatively
small
parcels
and
the
focus
and
the
way
that
the
language
has
been
written
is
really
about.
E
Looking
at
compatibility
with
the
existing
forms-
and
I
know
from
working
with
other
cities
right
objective
standards
are
sometimes
misused
and
I
think
the
ones
that
are
proposed
here
really
are
are
measurable
and
easily.
You
know
they
can
be
uniformly
applied,
and
so
I
think
staff
did
a
really
nice
job
with
swallowing
this
piece
up.
E
I
Oh
yeah,
I
am
all
for
clarity
of
intent
and
great
diagrams.
Having
worked
on
some
diagrams,
I
know
it
is
extraordinarily
difficult
to
to
come
up
with
diagrams
that
give
the
intent
in
clear
way.
I
Very
often
developers
might
look
at
the
diagram
and
say
that's
what
I'm
building
when
it's
really
supposed
to
be
sort
of
this
plastic
form.
So
I
would
be
all
for
ensuring
that
those
diagrams
are
done
super
well,
I
would
I
did
want
to
bring
up
something
which
is
in
addition
to
the
design
guidelines
becoming
development
standards
and
having
the
diagrams.
I
know
we're
in
the
beginning,
so
I'm
not
expecting
like
the
diagrams
right
now.
I
I
As
mr
warriors
mentioned,
they're
tiny
parcels
and
they're
narrow
on
castro,
south
of
california.
They
become
much
wider
and
if
you
just
stand
out
there
one
day
on
a
saturday
and
stand
on
a
block
where
there
are
parcels
and
one
where
they
have
super
wide
storefronts
like
the
wells
fargo
almost
half
the
block
is
one
storefront.
I
The
other
half
is
kaiser,
I
believe,
and
it's
medical
center.
So
it's
like
two
or
three
four.
I
think
it's
four.
I
counted
four
sort
of
stores
on
one
block
and
it's
a
bigger
block.
Then
you
look
at
a
block
in
the
one
to
three
hundred
block
and
you
can
get.
Oh,
I
want
to
say
like
12
shots,
it's
smaller
block
and
that's
what
activates
historic
portion-
and
I
don't
know
if
this
is
something
that
is
covered
in
development
standards.
It
has
to
go
somewhere
else,
but
it
seems
to
me
characteristic
of
what.
I
The
first
three
blocks
under
the
south
of
the
train
station
active
versus
a
block
that
isn't
and
literally
I
just
challenge
anyone
to
stand
on
those
blocks
and
just
count.
The
number
of
people
coming
and
going
coming
and
going
you'll
see
that
even
with
the
park
place
apartments
where
the
starbucks
is
and
so
and
so
forth,
you
get
so
much
more
activity
versus
half
like
tiny
shop
fronts,
and
that
is
also
one
of
the
strengths
that
was
listed
in
the
uli
report.
G
And
it
is
in
your
current
downtown
precise
plan
and
it'll
we're
anticipating
bolstering
those
standards.
I
G
They
currently
they
have
the
way
the
standard
is
currently
written
and
we'll
be
refining.
It
is
that
you
have
to
have.
If
you
had
a
building
that
was
combined,
it
would
be
moduled
in
25
feet.
It
doesn't
absolutely
have
to
be
two
different
shops,
but
there
is
another
standard
that
kicks
in
when
it's
the
larger
space
that
that
they
ask
is
in
the
standards
currently
that
you
they
ask
that
you
have
smaller
shops
in
front
of
a
larger
space.
That's
kind
of
behind
it.
C
Yeah,
I
agree
with
steph's
recommendation
a
couple
things
that
I
really
liked,
where
where's
the
consideration
of
accessibility
from
the
sidewalks,
and
I
think,
as
has
come
up,
multiple
towns,
how
pedestrian
friendly
our
downtown
is
and
that's
something
I've
always
appreciated.
C
I
did
also
like
the
point
about
considering
incorporation
of
green
green
spaces
into
that
storefrontage,
and
I
know
that
that
was
something
that
the
mountain
view
coalition
for
sustainable
development
brought
up
in
their
letter
was
thinking
about
just
that
green
architecture,
bringing
bringing
more
of
that
in,
and
so
I
liked
that
that
was
included
in
this.
As
I,
as
I
mentioned
before,
my
and
you
know,
I'm
certainly
not
an
expert.
C
I
think
my
only
hesitation
or
or
concern
is
just
right
balancing
that
the
amount
of
vacancy
we
have
downtown
with
what
are
we
requiring
of
businesses
and,
of
course,
not
not
just
saying
hey
whatever
you
want
in
terms
of
design
but-
and
I
you
know
much
smarter
people
than
me-
have
considered
this.
So
that's
you
know
just
from
my
point
of
view
stuff,
taking
into
consideration
that
moving
forward.
J
Thank
you
to
echo
something
that
commissioner
schmie
thing
said
and
also
the
comments
bought
up
by
green
space,
envy
and
sustained
coalition
for
sustainability
planning.
I
noticed
the
open
space
language
in
the
precise
plan.
J
It's
pretty
out
of
date,
so
I
wonder,
staff
has
done
an
excellent
job
in
crafting
some
of
that
language.
In
the
newer,
precise
plans
such
as
the
east
listening
and
north
bay
shore-
and
I
suggest
some
of
those
landscaping-
you
know,
standards
and
design
principles
be
incorporated
into
the
downtown
precise
plan
to
bring
it
more
up
to
date.
J
Like
I
said,
under
the
open
space
sections
in
particular,
I
think
we
should
stress
the
benefits
of
green
spaces,
to
not
only
human
health
but
biodiversity,
sustainability
etc.
J
It
can
be
percentage
of
native
plants
that
have
to
be
utilized
when
species
are,
you
know,
being
considered,
that's
very
important
for
biodiversity
consideration,
so
those
are
some
of
the
ideas
that
I
would
like
to
suggest
to
to
staff,
but
in
general
I
do
agree
with
what
you're
recommending
thank
you.
L
I
generally
really
like
the
direction
this
is
going,
and
just
so
I
can
say
I
added
something:
the
different
town
I
recently
saw
a
living
arbor.
It
was
like
this
awning
that
came
down
over
the
top.
It
was
all
vines,
it
was
all
plants
that
created
the
arbor
and
I
just
thought
it
was
absolutely
beautiful
and
just
wonderful
so
there's
a
way
to
work
that
in
there
too
I'd
love.
It.
H
And
I
I
definitely
like
the
direction
that
we're
going
and
I
think
the
added
value
of
the
the
greenery
and
pedestrian
access
and
all
of
that,
and
even
though
that's
not
really
in
our
purview.
I
think
we
want
to
emphasize
the
importance
of
that
and
the
usage
of
you
know
the
the
the
greenery
and
the
biodiversity
and
just
to
kind
of
have
that
you
know
very
much
at
the
forefront
of
our
mind
to
make
sure
that
that
gets,
updated
and
incorporated
too.
I
Okay,
thank
you,
yeah
I'll
jump
on
that
bandwagon,
I'm
a
big
proponent
of
the
the
grainy
of
spaces
and
then
one
other
comment
on
the
diagrams
really
quickly
is
that
I
I
think
it
might
be
even
simpler.
I
I
don't
know
what
direction
we're
going
with
the
diagrams
yet
so
forgive
me
if
you're
already
doing
this
instead
of
having
the
multiple
styles
and
then
repeating
a
lot
of
the
development
standards
for
each
is
to
just
get
the
generic
development
standards
in
one
diagram
and
then,
if
there
were
to
be
different
styles,
just
asterisk
it
out
and
just
give
the
characteristics
of
those
like
windows
for
different
styles,
and
that
way
it's
actually
quite
simple.
It's
less
verbage
and
just
one
clear
diagram
and
again
I
know
how
difficult
it
is
to
do
diagrams.
I
D
D
I
would
agree
that
and
when
we
look
at
phase
two
for
the
project,
bringing
that
kind
of
thing
in
the
streetscapes
and
that
kind
of
thing
would
be
something
I
would
really
support.
D
Anybody,
okay!
Well,
I
can
talk,
I'm
I'm
I'm
in
favor
of
restricting
in
those
areas.
D
If
I
have
a
question
at
all,
it's
it's
to
some
extent
tied
to
commissioner
aymer's
comments
earlier
at
the
beginning
on
what's
coming
when
I
don't
have
a
good
sense
for
what's
what
the
plans
are
in
the
transit
center
and
right
now,
the
the
if
you
that
the
little
map
shows
the
restriction
on
administrative
offices
on
the
block
along
evelyn
from
castro
to
hope,
but
it
doesn't
show
the
same
restriction
on
the
next
block
up
and
if
the
intention
of
the
transit
center
is
something
bigger
and
there's
a
lot
of
different
activity
off
the
transit
center.
D
I
guess
it
raised
a
question
in
my
mind
whether
that
red
line
should
continue
one
block
further
down
into
area
g
along
the
front.
Is
there
again
I
don't
have
or
where
I
do
feel
you
know
with
the
with
the
potential
change
the
pedestrian
mall,
the
transit
center,
the
parking.
We
are
missing
a
lot
of
pieces
that
would
help
make
those
feel
like
it
should
connect
all
together.
D
D
L
Thank
you.
So
I've
actually
been
struggling
this
one
with
this
one
for
a
couple
of
days
and
it's
a
I
feel
like
I'm
in
a
weird
position,
because
I
actually
think
ultimately,
phasing
out
administrative
offices
in
that
area
is
a
good
idea.
L
But
where
I
get
stuck
is
well
a
couple
of
places,
I
think
sure
cranston
you
mentioned
sort
of
the
missing
pieces
of
the
puzzle.
There's
a
lot
of
things
changing
in
that
space,
but
I
kind
of
wish
we
could
get
them
all
orchestrated
a
little
better
and,
as
we've
already
discussed
a
lot
today,
the
the
vacancy
piece
that
that
weighs
heavily
on
me
like
if
we
have
a
lot
of
spaces
that
are
open,
it
seems
out
of
timing
to
further
restrict
what
you
could
put
in
them
and
maybe
even
going
a
step
farther.
L
L
It
just
doesn't
feel
kind
to
to
send
the
message
of
well
we're
going
to
take
some
more
things
away,
that
you
can't
put
there
if
the
vacancy
rate
was
lower.
I
think
I
probably
feel
differently.
I
think
if
we
could
even
do
this
at
the
same
time
we're
deciding
that
we're
going
to
have
a
pedestrian
mall,
which
I
love.
I
really
hope
we
do
that.
I
wish
we
could
fill
it
with
parklets.
I
Yes,
I
I'm
in
favor
of
removing
the
administrative
offices.
I
think
someone
from
the
public
had
mentioned
limiting
the
personal
service
offices,
I'm
all
for
offering
more
flexibility.
I
think
they
add
value
to
a
downtown,
but
I
do
think
it
should
be
limited,
and
I
also
struggle
with
timing
and
not
having
all
the
pieces.
You
know
again
covered
through
a
big
wrench
into
things
and
all
the
recommendations
that
were
made
by
the
consultant,
I
don't
think
even
got
a
chance
to
get
implemented.
I
So
I
don't
know
how
that
would
follow
through
and
then
again
without
knowing
why
certain
places
are
vacant.
If
it's
due
to
the
fact
that
they
can't
rent
that
brokers
didn't
know
so
and
so
forth,
I
would
hate
to
you
know,
say
you
know
anything
is
possible
now
because
once
they're
in
it's
very
hard
to
remove.
As
we
know,
the
current
administrative
offices
are
going
to
have
to
be
phased
over
time,
which
is
fair.
I
So
I
I
almost
wish
we
had
a
little
bit
of
time
before
we
implemented
the
limitation
on
percent
and
number
of
personal
service
type
offices,
but
I'm
all
in
favor
of
administrative
offices
not
being
on
the
ground
floor
of
the
downtown,
because
it
just
is
not
active
at
all.
It's
not
for
the
public.
It
is
purely
for
the
office
thanks.
E
E
E
I
get
the
sentiment,
but
if,
unless
we're
talking
about
something
like
what's
your
question
said
where,
if
you
have
a
vacancy
for
a
certain
number
or
some
duration
of
time,
it
just
seems
a
little
too
extreme
to
maybe
not
have
some
tears
and
say,
like
you
know,
if
a
place
is
going
to
be
vacant
for
x
period
of
time,
you
know
that
it
could
be
considered.
I
mean
one
of
the
challenges
I've
seen
right,
and
we
know
this
to
be
true
right.
E
You
think
of
the
old
book
sync
location,
right,
okay,
they
were
raised
around
too
much,
the
bookstore
moved
down
the
street
and
it
has
been
vacant
for
three
years.
Four
years
at
this
point
and
so
ground
floor
activation
only
works.
If
there's
some
kind
of
activation
right,
I'd
rather
have
an
office
employee
being
able
to
walk
to
and
from
there,
the
transit
center
into
town
and
maybe
go
to
one
shutter
restaurant
nearby
or
maybe
support
that
kind
of
divas
and
and
you
know,
buy
their
groceries
to
and
from
like.
E
E
The
rents
are
exorbitant
they're,
just
they're
too
many
issues.
I
am
downtown
every
single
day
and
I
can
tell
you
the
number
of
selfies
and
centers
who
I
talk
to
who
say
I
I've
had
to
let
my
employees
go.
I
can't
I
can't
afford
to
do
this.
I
can't
afford
to
do
that,
like
that's,
not
going
to
get
better,
and
so
I
just
I
really
struggle
by
taking
away
one
option.
E
I
know
that
we
don't
want
large-scale
office
in
the
historic
character
and
I
see
those
impacts,
but
it
seems
like
we're
limiting
a
tool
if
we
don't
have
different
criteria.
That
say,
after
a
certain
period
of
time,
if
you're
not
able
to
fill
this
vacancy,
we
would
consider,
under
as
a
provisional
use
some
space.
D
Thank
you,
commissioner.
H
I
I
really
agree
with
the
comments
from
commissioner
haymeyer,
because
I
think
we
see
you
know
those
businesses
struggling
and
perhaps
you
know
the
tiering
would
be
more
a
you
know,
a
provisional
time
to
to
get
some
activity
into
the
area.
H
So
I
think
we
need
to
give
that
a
little
bit
more
thought
just
to
say
instead
of
just
kind
of
a
blanket
statement,
no
administrative
offices,
what
we
may
want
to
do
is
to
look
at
the
possibilities
I
mean
we
need
to
hear
from.
You
know
the
owners.
What
are
they
looking
at?
What
are
they
trying
to
put
in
there
and
to
at
least
incorporate
some
kind
of
flexibility
like
that,
because
otherwise,
you're
just
kind
of
you
know
it's
kind
of
like
a
hard
stop.
H
If
that
is
the
only
only
option
they
have
for
a
a
certain
limited
amount
of
time,
I
think
we
need
to
be
open
to
listen
to
that.
So
I
I
think,
that's
you
know
a
good
recommendation
and
the
thought
that
we
should
forward
to
the
council,
so
they
they
can
help
us
kind
of
look
at.
You
know
what
it.
What
is
really
fair
to
both
sides?
H
I
mean
we
want
to
see
that
retail
in
this
area,
but
what
that
looks
like
we've
got
to
look
at
the
business
owners
and
the
opportunities
that
they
have
to
rent
their
space
and
to
whom,
and
maybe
maybe
they
come
up
with
something
very
creative
that
you
know.
We
don't
see
right
now,
so
I
think
to
leave
them
open
and
to
leave
it
more
flexible
would
be
the
way
I'd
like
to
see
us
approach.
D
C
I
would
second
what
both
commissioner,
commissioner
capriles
said.
I
don't
see
it
as
like
a
green
light.
No
questions
asked
type
of
use,
maybe
yellow
light,
so
that
there
can
be
that
flexibility,
but
also
thoughtful
consideration
of
what
exactly
is
being
proposed
and
what
are
what
are
the
circumstances
within
this
proposal
is
occurring,
so
I
think
yeah,
a
tiering
system,
just
continued
dialogue
and
thought
on
this
would
be
my
personal
recommendation.
J
Thank
you.
I
actually
was
going
to
propose
something
somewhat
different,
but
I
think
I
wanted
to
achieve
kind
of
the
same
goal
which
is
in
an
ideal
world.
I
would
love
to
see
the
downtown
to
attract
you
know
very
diverse
types
of
businesses
so
that
it's
more
rounded
more
well-rounded,
and
I
wonder
if
there's
a
way
for
us
to
for
the
city,
to
prioritize
the
different
types
of
businesses
that
we
want
in
different
zones.
J
So,
for
example,
for
this
zone,
these
three
are
the
most
desired
types
of
businesses,
and
these
three
are
kind
of
tier
two.
You
know
medium
desire,
followed
by
you
know.
We
will
allow
these
if
you
have
tried
really
hard
and
cannot
find
the
most
desire,
medium
desire,
so
yeah,
so
not
a
you
know.
We
do
not
allow
this
but
kind
of
go
through
the
process
of
trying
to
attract
the
most
the
type
of
business
that
we
want.
The
most
I
would
love
to
see
more
creative
spaces.
J
You
know
more
cultural
and
art
type
of
businesses,
youth
development,
types
of
things
that
will
you
know,
enhance
community
building,
more
health
and
wellness
type
of
stores
and
businesses,
and
also
pop-ups
or
other
more
creative
ways
of
using
smaller
spaces.
Maybe
it
can
be
shared
by
a
couple
of
smaller
modern
shops
yeah.
So
those
are
some
of
my
thoughts
thanks.
I
Yes,
I
I
agree
that
you
know
we
should
get
creative
with
how
we
do
things
to
attract
as
many
of
what
is
ideal.
I
know
that
the
ideal
is
very
hard
to
attain.
I
I
still
maintain
that
administrative
offices
should
should
not
be
allowed
in
the
areas
and
remember
I'm
talking
about
the
ground
floor
and
the
reason
why
the
ground
floor
is
so
important
is
because
this
is
the
heart
of
the
city.
It
is
the
downtown
because
it's
main
street
when
people
go
again,
you
know
exactly
where
they
go
and
I
can
go
through
why
that
is.
If
you
stand
on
the
block,
if
you
go
to
page
seven
of
exhibit
four
and
it
shows
the
ground
floor
uses
back
in,
I
think
it
was
2019.
I
blue
is
office,
and
if
you
stand
on
those
blocks,
I
want
you
to
think
about
how
often
you
go
to
those
blocks
to
do
anything
and
how
often
you
go
to
downtown
for
a
restaurant
instead
or
something
else,
and
if
you
imagine
that
block
just
extended
through
our
historic
area
h,
we
don't
have
a
main
street
anymore.
We
don't
actually
have
a
downtown.
We
have
an
office
park
and
we
can't
hear
I
I
can
understand
the
tearing
method
and
why?
But
again
I
like
to
learn
from
past
experiences
and
villain.
I
Bryant
was
brought
up
where
the
owner
and
the
developer
said.
We
could
not
find
someone
to
rent
out
the
space
and
found
out
later
multiple
shop
owners
and
cafe
owners
said
we
would
love
to
be
in
there.
No
one
reached
out
to
us,
and
it
was
because
that
the
owner
preferred
security
guard
in
an
empty
space
versus
actually
renting
it
out.
I
So,
if
we
allow
for
the
administrative
office,
I
think
that's
what
we're
going
to
get
and
then
we
will
lose
our
the
vitality
of
our
downtown
and
again
once
it's
in
it's
very
hard
to
to
remove.
So
I
say:
let
us
give
us
a
chance,
let's
look
at
timing
and
how
things
play
out.
I
do
feel
for
the
small
businesses
that
are
hurting
that
I
think
if
we
can
get
creative
and
look
at
what
can
be
done
to
help
them
through
incentives,
tax
breaks,
hiring
consultants
expediters
whatever
it
is.
D
So
I'll
jump
back
in
here,
the
first
location
that
the
business
that
I'm
that
I
currently
own
was
in
was
a
small
narrow
building
in
san
francisco
owned
by
a
long-term
owner.
D
So,
mr
dempsey,
commissioner
meyer,
I
understand
this
idea
that
you
need
to
give
them
some
time,
but
I
am,
I
am
less
confident
of
the
good
will
of
landlords
to
be
out
there
trying
to
make
sure
that
they're
bringing
in
the
kind
of
what
we
want
in
downtown
and
skeptical
of
that
timing.
So
if
we
look
at
something
like
that,
we've
got
to
be.
We've
got
to
be
very
sure
that
we
understand
how
we
prevent
gamesmanship
on
these
kind
of
things.
D
Because
that's
what
will
happen,
I
when
we
say
categorically
that
not
every
landlord
is
like
that
in
any
way
shape
or
form,
but
there
are
some
out
there
that
will
say
you
know
what
I
don't.
I
want
a
different
tenant
or
I
want
to
I
want
to.
I
want
to
skim
and
they're
going
to
put
the
rent
so
high
that
they
never
even
get
they
never
take.
D
No
tenant
is
ever
seriously
looked
at,
so
I'm
just
I'm
I'm
very
skeptical
of
time-based
things
that
say:
okay,
if
you
keep
it
vacant
for
this
amount
of
time,
then
you're,
okay,
going
administrative,
because
that
may
be
a
game
that
they
say:
okay,
cool,
I'm
going
to
play
that
game
and
we
end
up
with
administrative
offices
all
over
the
place.
D
E
That
I
I
really
appreciate
your
perspective,
I
think,
as
a
small
business
owner,
you
probably
have
much
more
experience
than
I
do.
I
I
I
guess
I
take
issue
with
commissioner
yen's
point.
I
I
I
hear
how
much
you
care
about
that's
downtown
and
and
the
fear
that
perhaps
administrative
offices
could
one
day
open.
E
What
I
think
we
forget
is
a
lot
of
the
comments
today,
also
about
sustainability,
and
we
want
people
to
be
able
to
work
new
transit
and
I'm
not
saying
that's.
You
know
we
want
all
offices
in
downtown,
but
I
mean
there
is
jane
jacobs
and
eyes
on
the
street
right
people
have
to
work
somewhere
right
and
we
don't
know
what
the
future
of
work
is
going
to
look
like
and
we
don't
know
how
awesome
people
are
going
to
be
coming.
So
I
guess
my
point
is
really:
let's
not
take
a
tool
out
of
our
toolbox.
E
That's
growing
up
that
has
to
find
ground
floor
retail.
That
also
seems
like
a
missed
opportunity,
so
I'm
really
excited
that
john
lang
is
joining
joining
the
city
and
that
we
have
a
robust
conversation.
Economic
development
is
not
the
purview
of
this
commission
right.
The
downtown
committee
does
this:
the
city
council
is
doing
this.
I
think
the
recommendations
that
we're
making
are
really
about
land
uses
and
if
the
land
uses
we're
saying
the
commission
really
feels
uncomfortable
with
administrative
uses
period.
E
That's
that's
not
where
I
feel
comfortable
landing
and
I
would
not
want
my
opinions
to
be
reflected
in
that
way,
and
so
so
I
I
understand,
if
others
have
different
senses,.
I
Yes,
well,
the
question
was
posed
to
us,
so
that's
why
I'm
I'm
answering
it
even
if
it's
not
the
purview
of
the
epc,
it
was
brought
to
us
to
answer,
and
I
I
fear
that
maybe
you
misunderstand
what
I
said,
because
I
am
talking
literally
just
ground
floor
use,
I
didn't
say,
no
offices.
If
we
look
at
that
map,
we
have
more
office
than
restaurants
square
footage
wise.
So
I'm
not
saying
no
administrative
office
in
downtown.
I
I
agree
jane
jacobs,
I
thought
most
of
her
books
read
them,
went
to
school,
studying
her
I'm
talking
about
ground
floor
use,
which
is
the
public
realm
in
a
sense
for
a
downtown.
I
I
I
Maybe
we
should
take
a
look
and
do
what
we
can
to
get
what
is
ideal
first
and
then
take
a
look
at
what
that
limitation
in
the
personal
services
is
because,
through
stakeholder
meetings,
community
meetings,
the
public
has
expressed
a
strong
desire
for
as
much
retail
in
fact
they're
calling
for
high-end
retail
it's
difficult.
We
all
know
that
amazon
all
the
other
mail
orders,
but
let's
try
for
the
ideal
first
and
I
understand
you're,
saying
don't
take
a
tool
out
of
the
toolbox.
I
E
It
and
I
think
that
language
is
harmful.
I
don't
think
that
helps
the
conversation,
because
what
we're
trying
to
imagine
is
what
one
person's
ideal
is
different
right.
This
is
why
it's
a
citizen
body,
so
that
we
can
have
these
conversations
and
say
what
could
one
person's
ideal
be
versus?
You
know
what
are
the
all
the
options,
so
I
I
fully
understand
your
point
and
I
appreciate
where
you're
coming
from
right,
but
I
I
I
think
it's
an
exaggeration
to
say
that
officers
on
the
ground
four
would
kill
downtown.
I
I
Well,
I'm
sorry,
I
just
you
know
we'll
carry
on
that.
My
point
has
been
made
and
if
you
know
we
can
define
downtown,
I
think
staff
might
even
have
an
opinion
on
on
that
they
have
given
their
opinion.
So
I'm
just
going
to
say
I
agree
with
their
opinion
to
say
no
to
administrative
offices
and
yes,
let's
be
more
flexible
and
open
up
to
personal
service
type
offices
and
perhaps
limit
that
do
what
we
can
to
incorporate.
What
is
ideal
based
on
community
outreach,
the
public
and
yes,
my
personal
view.
D
I
think
we
understand
machine,
so
I
think
if
I
we're
a
little
more
divided
on
this
one,
if
I
and
please
correct
me
from
our
link
whatever
it
was
one
clear,
no
two
clear,
yeses
and
then
from
commissioners
dem,
stationising,
capriles
and
low
a
yeah,
but
I
don't
want
to
kill
the
you
know
if
it's
vacant
for
a
long
time,
I'm
open
to
being
flexible
kind
of
approach
is
so
that
timing,
how
quickly
it
may
be
put
in
place
would
be
a
factor
and
whether
you
might
support
it
or
not,
support
it
when
it
came
back
for
the
next
time.
D
Is
that
a
fair
statement,
I'm
saying
one
yeah
kind
of
sort
of
question?
Is
that
where
you
are
as
well
you're
gonna,
okay,
so
they
weren't
clear,
yeses
or
no's
from
the
other
four.
It
was
kind
of
a
yeah.
I
could
maybe
prefer
that,
but
it
really
depends
on
how
it
gets
implemented
and
what
the
economy
is
like,
and
so
there's
no.
You
have
a
clear
vote
on
four
of
them.
I
know
eric
and
and
edward.
That's
not
exactly
what
you
prefer
to
hear,
but
that's
why
I'm
here.
F
Well,
I
mean
I
did.
I
did
hear
quite
a
few
of
those
people
saying
that
they
agreed
with
commissioner
meyer
and
so
maybe
just
kind
of
clarifying
that
you
know
agreeing
that.
Basically,
what
I
heard
was
that
commissioner
heymar
proposed
this
kind
of
nuanced
approach
to
try
to
look
for
ways
that
you
can
support
both
reduced
vacancy
with
this
tool.
In
your
toolbox
you
she
talked
about
potentially
having
a
timeline
standard.
I
don't
know
if
she's
wedded
to
that,
but
you
know
one
of
these
things.
F
That's
like
keeping
the
tool
in
your
toolbox
just
to
kind
of
limit
vacancy
and
give
options
to
to
property
owners
over
time,
and
so
I
feel
like
that
was
kind
of
agreed
by
commissioner
schmiezing,
capriles
and
dempsey
and
and
so
it'd
be
good
to
get
that
confirmation.
D
E
So
reading
the
stock,
the
way
I
read,
the
question
that
was
presented
from
staff
was:
if
the
staff
recommendation
is
to
prohibit
administrative
office
use
from
parts
of
area
h
under
all
circumstances,
so
I
think
it
would
be
some
kind
of
provisional
criteria
tbd,
but
allowing
a
provisional
administrative
use
with
a
nuanced
approach
of
understanding.
Certainly
we
can
do
community
engagement.
E
I
mean
we're
very
early
in
the
precise
plan
achieve
community
engagement
for
a
living
like
there
needs
to
be
a
citizen
process
for
this,
but
yes,
having
having
set
criteria
that
would
allow
us
to
see
where
there
could
be
a
provisional
use
that
meets
certain
criteria
to
reduce
vacancies
in
the
downtown.
I
don't
know
if
it
has
to
be
a
time
horizon.
I
think
all
of
that
is
is
that
a
level
of
detail
I'm
just
not
able
to
present
tonight,
but
the
concept
of
eric
might
not
find,
is
just
right
on.
H
For
you
know
the
staff
to
you
know
be
able
to
work
with,
and
I
I
would
leave
it
up
to
the
staff
to
determine
what
what
would
make
sense,
because
we
don't
know
what
landlords
owners
are
going
to
come
in
and
propose,
but
I
think
the
you
know
the
general
idea
of
you
know
activity
on
the
first
floor.
Yes,
but
we've
got
to
be
a
little
bit
flexible
us,
I
think,
we're
all
very
you
know
concerned
about
the
the
vacancies
downtown
and
that's
kind
of
where
we're
coming
from.
H
So
you
know
I
I
would
want
to
just
maintain
that
flexibility,
so
it's
not
one
way
or
another.
I
just
think
it's
important
to
have
that
ability
to
be
flexible
in
whatever
way.
That
makes
make
sense.
I
mean
we
need
to
base
that
on
what
other
other
cities
have
tried
and
it
didn't
work
or
you
know,
I'm
not
sure
exactly
where
we
would
come
up
with
exactly
a
tier
level
and
what
that
would
look
like,
but
I
think
the
flexibility
is
important.
L
Yeah
as
a
as
a
resident
of
the
mushy
middle
here,
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
my
lack
of
clarity.
Commissioner
haymeyer
capriles,
I
think,
said
very
well.
I
think
kind
of
how
I
was
feeling
you
know.
I
do
think
we
need
to
have
multiple
kind
of
tools
to
work
with
here
and
I
would
love
to
see
what
staff
might
be
able
to
come
back
with
about
how
we
would
recommend
that
to
council
or
whatnot.
L
You
know,
having
said
all
that,
I
actually
think
you
know,
commissioner
yin's
position
on
this
is
where
we
should
end
up.
Ultimately,
I
think
that
if
we
really
want
this
active,
vibrant,
beautiful
downtown
that
everybody
wants
to
hang
out
with
which
I
want
to
do
that
too.
Ultimately,
it
does
make
sense
to
have
ground
floors
that
are
activated.
You
want
to
walk
in
and
you
can
do
things
that
does
make
sense.
L
So,
just
for
what
it's
worth,
I
guess
I
want
to
agree
with
everybody,
but
I
I
don't
feel
like
I
can
get
there
quite
yet,
but
I
hope
that
we
can
and
if
we're
doing
more
work
on
how
to
get
to
filling
all
those
empty
offices,
then
I
would
feel
much
more
comfortable
saying
you
know,
there's
a
smaller
range
of
things
that
are
allowed
here,
because
there's
so
many
people
that
want
it.
J
Thank
you
yes,
ground
floor.
Administrative
office
is
my
least
favorite
type
of
use,
but
I
am
hesitant
in
saying
we
have
to
remove
it
precisely
because
of
all
the
vacancy
that
we're
facing.
J
So
I'm
reluctantly
saying
perhaps
let's
keep
it
there
as
a
last
resort
that
ideally
no,
I
don't
want
to
see
that
and
down.
You
know
sound
space,
ground
level,
spaces.
C
It's
not
an
endorse,
like
a
ringing
endorsement
of
the
administrative
office
on
the
ground
floor,
but
I
don't
feel
comfortable
taking
it
out
of
the
picture
completely
just
yeah.
D
I
think
that's
clear
now
eric
and
edgar
okay,
so
those
are
our
three
questions.
D
I
would,
I
guess
any
other
last.
You
know
last
items
that
the
commissioners
were
doing,
that
just
kind
of
as
feedback
to
staff
or
to
council
as
you've
kind
of
talked
through
this.
You
certainly
have
talked
about
you
know
supporting
looking
at
the
green
spaces.
I
think
I
heard
several
folks
as
a
phase
two
anything
any
other.
Any
other
comments.
E
I
think
it
would
be
helpful
if
we
could
either
have
tiffany
or
john
or
someone
come
and
share
a
little
bit
more
about
what
the
downtown
committee's
been
doing.
What
the
other
economic
development
strategies
are
just
some
understanding
how
that
interacts
would
be
really
helpful,
and
I
know
it
will
be
a
new
addition
for
them
to
join
the
team,
but
I
think
that
could
be
really
valuable
to
inform
this
conversation
moving
forward.
As
we
look.
D
H
I
would
I
would
really
second
that
request,
because
I
think
this
is
part
of
what
has
been
kind
of
a
hard
challenge
for
me
personally
tonight
was
there
are
so
many
parallel
projects
you
know
kind
of
surrounding
this
downtown
area.
It's
it's
really
hard
to
kind
of
put
our
stake
in
the
ground
for
our
piece
of
it.
When
we
don't
know
what
the
other
pieces
are
doing,
so
that
would
be
extremely
helpful
and
educational
for
for
me
to
be
able
to
be.
H
D
F
Yeah
sure
so
I
did
just
send
out
an
email
to
the
commission
today
about
a
grand
opening
for
the
life
moves
mountain
view
project
the
project
homekey
project.
This
is
a
interim
housing
community
with
100
units
on
leghorn,
so
you're
invited
to
watch
that
kind
of
exciting
that
it's
opening
up
right
now.
F
I
did
want
to
just
with
the
connection
to
downtown
remind
everybody
that
council
is
going
to
be
discussing
the
downtown
parking
strategy
next
week,
and
so
you
tune
into
that
and
and
get
an
understanding
of
where
that
conversation
is
going
and
it
could.
You
know
it
probably
more
informed
phase
two
discussions,
but
it
could
also
help
you
know
give
you
an
idea
of
where
the
city
is
going
on
that
important
issue.
F
We
are
expecting
a
public
hearing
for
the
400
log
project,
that's
a
multi-family
housing
project
in
east
wisman,
and
so
that
that's
going
to
happen,
we
actually
don't
have
any
other
items
scheduled
through
the
summer
so
throughout
june
I'm
you
know
something
may
come
up,
so
we're
not
going
to
cancel
the
meetings
yet,
but
I
didn't
want
to
let
you
know
that
at
this
point
we
don't
have
any
other
meeting
any
other
items
scheduled
for
june.
F
We
had
to
push
it
out
because
of
sequa.
We
have
to
do
a
little
more
sql
analysis.
So
that's
going
to
be
probably
first
thing
after
summer.
H
F
D
I
guess
it's
a
question
for
eric
or
sandy
or
anybody
on
staff.
I
have
my
two
shots.
Has
there
been
any
discussion?
The
city
level
is
to
when
these
change
from
these
wonderful
zoom
meetings
to
actually
being
able
to
see
each
other
face
to
face
again.
F
I
know
there
are
discussions,
I'm
actually
not
part
of
those
discussions,
I'm
sure
that
that's
happening
kind
of
at
the
clerk
level-
and
you
know
in
the
kind
of
more
administrative
level.
So
but
that's
that's
a
great
question
and
I
think
you
guys
deserve
to
know
kind
of
what's
what's
in
store
for
this
commission
you
and
the
public.
I
do
think
that
the
public
there
is
a
benefit
to
the
public
being
able
to
tune
in
from
their.
F
M
B
M
Just
that
there's
there,
you
know,
there's
still
a
legislation,
that's
pending
and
it's
you
know
I
think,
being
amended.
It's
it's
not
static,
so
it's
not
certain
how
that
is
going
to
shake
out
yet
and
also
there
are
things
like
that.
You
know
the
existing
county
health
orders
that
still
would
not
necessarily
allow
for
us
to
all
be
in
the
same
room
together
and
with
a
lot
of
members
of
the
public.
So
there's
certain
things
that
need
to
be
navigated
and-
and
so
those
conversations
are
only.
D
Beginning
all
right,
thank
you,
another
announcements,
folks,
okay
and
we
will
adjourn
the
environmental
planning
commission
meeting,
may
6th
at
9
57
pm
and
we'll
see
everyone
in
two
weeks.
Thank
you.