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A
Let's
get
started
good
evening,
thank
you
so
much
for
coming
and
helping
to
envision
the
future
of
the
r3
district.
First,
let's
get
some
technical
details
out
of
the
way
we
have
interpretation
available
tonight
in
chinese.
I
will
take
a
moment
to
let
eileen
lee
direct
people
to
the
language
channel.
A
So
please
keep
yourself
muted
during
the
presentation.
We'll
have
an
opportunity
for
q
a
afterward.
Please
use
the
reaction
raise
hand
tool.
If
you
want
to
ask
a
question
if
you're
calling
in
please
raise
your
hand
at
the
end
of
the
presentation
using
star
nine,
and
we
will
answer
your
questions
after
the
presentation,
we'll
have
group
discussions
to
talk
about
some
of
the
key
discussion
points
presented
in
the
presentation.
A
A
The
purpose
of
tonight's
meeting
is
to
get
input
on
the
r3
zoning
update.
This
project
is
an
action
in
the
council's
strategic
roadmap,
part
of
a
priority
to
help
create
housing
options
in
the
city.
This
meeting
is
focused
on
the
springer
cuesta
phyllis
neighborhood.
Other
workshops
are
focusing
on
other
neighborhoods.
A
A
The
r3
zoning
update
is
only
part
of
the
city's
interconnected
housing
programs.
In
addition,
the
city
is
preparing
the
housing
element,
which
is
a
state
requirement
to
plan
for
more
housing
and
to
address
housing.
Equity
council
direction
was
to
not
rely
on
the
r3
update
to
accommodate
units
required
of
the
housing
element.
A
The
displacement
response
strategy
is
under
review
and
would
apply
to
the
r3
zone
with
or
without
this
update.
Lastly,
we're
preparing
a
middle
income
strategy,
which
will
include
an
increasing
portfolio
of
moderate
income,
ownership
and
rental
units
and
homeownership
assistance.
The
r3
update
would
help
support
this
strategy
by
creating
more
middle-income
units.
A
A
A
A
So
why
are
we
updating
the
zoning?
As
I
stated
earlier,
the
city
council
has
a
goal
to
increase
housing
options
in
the
city
and
the
r3
zoning
update
is
a
key
part
of
that
effort.
The
city
is
looking
into
a
form-based
approach.
This
means
that
the
standards
focus
on
the
form
of
the
building
rather
than
its
contents.
A
For
example,
a
building
with
more
small
units
would
be
treated
the
same
as
a
building
with
fewer
large
units.
This
has
several
benefits.
The
current
framework
of
density
is
to
not
address
neighborhood
conditions.
Through
a
zoning
code
update,
we
can
locate
higher
densities
near
transit
or
services
and
modulate
physical
character.
Defining
standards
such
as
floor
area
ratio,
setbacks
and
open
area
to
reflect
changes
in
density
changes
to
standards
can
also
help
create
a
broader
range
of
unit
types,
including
more
stacked
flats,
which
can
be
relatively
more
affordable
than
rowhomes
and
other
product
types.
A
Lastly,
with
a
form-based
approach,
and
by
calibrating
standards
to
each
other,
we
can
create
more
flexibility
while
simultaneously
creating
more
predictability
and
streamlining
the
approval
process.
It
also
needs
to
be
noted
that
there
is
a
state
law.
In
effect
now
that
says,
we
cannot
reduce
residential
density
or
increase
constraints
on
density.
A
Some
growth
can
occur,
however,
and
your
input
can
inform
how
much
before
we
get
too
much
further.
We
should
define
some
terms.
House
scale
generally
refers
to
separate
buildings
along
a
block,
usually
up
to
about
80
feet
wide.
They
can
include
multiple
units
and
are
generally
up
to
about
two
to
three
stories.
A
So,
as
this
poll
just
says,
or
do
you
rent
in
spring
request
to
phyllis,
do
you
own
your
home
there?
Do
you
own
r3
property,
do
you
own
different
property?
Do
you
is
it
none
of
the
above?
A
A
That
framework
looked
at
maximizing
development
potential.
It
looked
at
the
characteristics
of
each
site
and
analyzed
how
large
a
building
the
site
could
feasibly
accommodate.
In
addition,
there
was
analysis
of
how
many
existing
units
could
be
replaced
at
rents
or
sales
prices
affordable
to
those
living
there
today.
A
As
a
result,
the
framework
presented
last
year
had
buildings
from
three
to
six
stories
upon
review
the
city
council
directed
staff
to
go
back
out
and
get
more
input
from
the
community,
which
is
what
we're
doing
now.
Earlier
this
year
we
talked
to
a
few
different
stakeholder
groups
and
heard
a
few
key
messages
about
how
they
felt
about
the
r3
project.
A
A
C
A
This
slide
summarizes
the
growth
framework
that
I
talked
about.
It
included
these
sub-districts,
ranging
from
two
to
up
to
six
stories.
The
two-story
sub-district
focused
on
areas
with
small
parcels
and
no
three-story
buildings
in
the
vicinity.
The
three
and
four-story
sub-districts
within
were
in
areas
with
a
mix
of
different
surrounding
building
sizes
and
parcel
sizes.
A
A
As
you
can
see,
these
images
show
how
buildings
can
be
more
massive,
including
more
width
and
fewer
space
between
adjacent
buildings
at
the
higher
sub-districts,
without
increasing
height
later
in
the
presentation.
We'll
look
at
a
map
of
where
these
districts
could
go
during
your
breakout
rooms.
You
can
respond
to
these
pictures.
Is
there
anything
you
like
about
these
buildings
or
things
you
don't
like?
A
Are
there
locations
where
some
of
the
buildings
might
be
appropriate
or
even
some
of
the
previous
frameworks?
Buildings
tony
will
have
an
opportunity
for
question
and
answer
at
the
end
of
the
presentation.
A
We've
also
put
a
lot
of
thought
into
transitions
of
height
and
scale
to
existing
neighborhoods.
These
pictures
show
how
smaller
building
scales,
including
height
width
and
depth,
can
help
buildings
better
fit
into
the
community,
despite
maybe
smaller
setbacks,
or
a
three
or
four
story
to
one
or
two
story:
transition.
A
In
addition,
we've
revised
the
proposed
r3
map
and
eliminated
cases
where
higher
intensity
subzones
would
be
added
adjacent
to
lower
density
neighborhoods.
So
no
r3c
next
to
r1
neighborhoods,
for
example,
the
lower
intensity
subzones,
could
have
new
standards
that
limit
scale
both
facing
the
street
and
along
internal
property
lines.
In
addition,
privacy
and
screening
concerns
can.
A
A
A
As
I
said
earlier,
the
2020
growth
framework
essentially
maximized
development
capacity.
The
new
alternative
map
would
focus
development
capacity,
increases
in
strategic
locations,
resulting
in
a
smaller
increase
to
overall
development
capacity
in
the
r3
zone.
In
addition,
r1
and
r2
neighborhoods
are
only
adjacent
to
r3a
or
r3b,
at
the
same
time
we're
targeting
higher
intensities
to
key
destinations
like
transit
and
services.
A
So
here
you
can
see
the
the
grant
phyllis
neighborhood-
oh
mislabeled
there,
it's
not
central
expressway
along
the
top,
that's
actually
el
camino
real.
I
apologize
for
the
typo,
so
that
is
el
camino
real
along
the
top.
You
can
see
in
the
previous
map
that
several
of
the
larger
sites
along
el
camino
real
were
designated
for
r3c
for
stories.
A
None
of
this
area
was
designated
for
r3d
in
the
previous
map,
but
I
in
the
new
map
we
have
those
areas
designated
as
r3b
that
are
closest
to
el
camino
real
and
the
areas
that
are
farther
from
el
camino.
Real
are
r3a
the
lowest
intensity.
A
So
we'll
be
asking
you
in
the
breakout
rooms
to
weigh
in
on
these
two
maps,
you
can
be
thinking
about
whether
we
should
change
any
of
the
locations
of
subzones
are
any
of
the
previous
sub
zones.
A
good
idea
anywhere,
where
are
transitions
important?
Where
would
neighborhood
serving
commercial
be
appropriate.
A
And
that
summarizes
our
alternative
approach,
so
tonight
you'll
have
an
opportunity
to
respond
to
these
ideas
and
in
your
breakout
groups,
you
can
discuss
these
questions.
What
do
you
like
in
the
examples
of
buildings?
What
don't
you
like?
Where
could
they
be
appropriate?
Where
should
pedestrian
and
bicycle
users
be
prioritized?
A
E
F
Yeah
hi
there
thanks
for
taking
the
question,
I
mean
we're
supposed
to
sort
of
say
how
we
think
about
this,
but
we
don't
really
have
a
lot
of
details
here.
Right,
like
what
does
house
scale
mean
right
like
how
tall
are
we
talking
like
how
many
stories
are
we
talking?
What
is
low
house
skill
medium
house
scale,
large
house
skill,
you
know
a
house,
that's
three
stories.
Tall
is
already
very
big.
F
If
we
add
the
density
bonus,
we're
talking
five
stories,
you
know,
that's
not
a
house
anymore,
I
would
say,
but
okay,
but
basically
what
are
the
development
standards?
What
are
the
heights
of
the
buildings?
What
are
the
setbacks
right?
Because,
without
that,
you
can't
really
start
talking
about
whether
that
makes
any
sense
or
not.
A
It's
a
great
question:
you
know
we're
trying
to
get
a
kind
of
broad
general
input
from
the
community
rather
than
getting
too
focused
on
the
details
at
this
point,
and
so
I
think
there
may
be
a
lot
of
opportunity
for
input
from
the
community
about
you
know.
Maybe
what's
what
is
too
small
a
setback,
or
what
do
you
want
to
make
sure
the
setback
can
accommodate
or
how
you
know
if
you're
concerned
about
heights?
What
are
those?
What
are
those
aspects
of
hype
that
you're
concerned
about?
A
A
I
think
that
the
the
framework
presented
this
evening
as
an
alternative
framework,
the
2022
framework,
is
really
just
a
way
to
contrast
with
the
previous
height
based
framework.
So
you
know
if,
if
we
are
looking
at
focusing
density,
focusing
more
people
into
certain
areas
in
the
city,
you
can
in
general,
do
it
with
more
height
or
you
can
do
it
with
more
kind
of
coverage,
larger
footprint
buildings,
and
I
think
that
kind
of
conversation
around
those
general
levels
is
really
what
we're
looking
for
this
evening
and
so
by
all
means.
A
E
Thank
you,
so
next
person
to
ask
a
question
will
be
katie
and
after
we
will
have
holla
and
luis.
I.
G
Am
thank
you.
Thank
you
for
holding
this
this
forum.
I
have
won
a
clarific.
Quite
clarification.
Question
I
didn't
see
on
the
map
that
I'm
I
have
concerns
about
things.
I've
heard
about
the
the
shopping
center
at
questa,
miramonte
I
didn't
see
that
highlighted
is.
Is
that
something
that's
the
subject
of
this
discussion
or
or
or
not?.
A
So
that
site
is,
you
know,
we're
going
to
be
presenting
a
zoning
framework
for
that
site
as
part
of
the
housing
element
update
to
the
city
council
to
the
epc
and
city
council
in
in
november
to
epc
in
november
and
council
in
december.
A
So
the
important
thing
to
recognize
about
that
site
is
that
the
general
plan
already
allows
residential
and
because
of
a
number
of
state
laws,
we
are
now
basically
forced
to
adopt
residential
zoning
for
that
site
as
well.
Council
has
directed
us
to
do
so
in
a
way
that
preserves
the
amount
of
retail
that's
there
today.
A
So
if
somebody
were
to
come
in
and
redevelop
the
site,
they
would
have
to
replace
the
amount
of
retail
that's
there
today
at
either
the
grant
park
plaza
or
the
blossom
valley
site,
and
so
that's
our
direction
moving
forward
and
we're
going
to
be
talking
about
that
with
epc
and
council
in
november.
H
Sorry
about
that
good
evening.
Yes,
thank
you
for
holding
this
in
my
neighborhood
cuesta
park,
so
affordable
housing
is,
is
a
big
incentive
or
requirement
for
doing
this.
The
rezoning
efforts
and
increasing
housing
efforts-
I'm
not
clear!
Is
there
any
affordability
or
affordable
housing
component
in
this
plan?
I
I
did
not
see
that
tonight
or
in
some
previous
neighborhood
discussions.
A
No
you're
absolutely
right
that
this
would
be
updating
development
standards
that
would
apply
to
all
development,
whether
it's
you
know
affordable
or
market
rate.
So
there
isn't
specifically
an
affordable
component
to
this
this
project,
but
we
have
a
lot
of
affordability.
A
You
know
programs
and
strategies
that
we're
working
on
both
through
our
our
bmr
requirements,
which
would
apply
to
these
developments
as
well
as
a
lot
of
affordable
housing
projects
that
we're
working.
I
A
With
nonprofit
developers.
J
Thank
you
very
much,
two
things
I
wanted
just
to
mention.
I
don't
know
if
you're
gonna
have
much
bigger
maps
when
we
do
the
breakouts,
but
I
think
not
having
the
side
streets
shown
on
these
maps
is
a
distinct
disadvantage,
because
you've
got
pieces,
bits
and
pieces
in
different
colors,
basically
all
over
the
place
and
you're
just
giving
us
a
couple
of
main
streets.
J
Some
point
about
condo
mapping
that
I
would
appreciate
some
specificity
instead
of
just
sort
of
aspirational
discussions
is
whether
or
not
the
city
has
or
will
have
any
possible
legal
mechanism
to
actually
put
units
on
the
market
available
to
the
public
third
parties,
because
our
understanding-
and
this
is
on
the
basis
of
discussion
with
developers
who
have
made
it
very
clear-
they
can
do
whatever
they
want
with
their
units.
They
can
condo
map,
they
can
put
them
for
sale
and
they
can
buy
them
all
themselves
and
turn
it
into
rentals.
J
So
I
think,
before
we
use
ownership
as
a
sales
pitch
to
think
that
somehow
things
will
change.
I
think
we
need
to
have
an
understanding
and
perhaps
an
opinion
by
the
city
attorney
telling
us
whether
or
not
there
is
any
way
to
actually
make
condos
happen
on
the
market
and
to
third
parties
not
to
developers
and
consortiums
that
then
turn
around
as
investment
properties
and
rent
them.
So
I
thought
I
appreciate
some
specificity.
Thank
you.
A
Yeah,
those
are
great
questions
and,
frankly,
very
complex
questions.
I'm
not
an
expert,
but
I've
certainly
heard
that
you're
correct
that
we
we
cannot
force
a
developer
to
actually
sell,
even
if
they
do
map.
But
again,
I'm
not
an
expert,
and
I
don't
know
the
the
what
what
other
programs
or
policies
the
city
could
adopt
to
try
to
encourage
that.
What
I
will
say
is
that
first
off
those
are
great
comments
to
provide
and
concerns
to
provide
in
your
breakout
groups.
A
Secondly,
you
know
the
question
about
the
the
history
of
the
you
know
of
past
condo
mapping
and
whether
they've
actually
sold
I'm
sure.
That's
something
that
we
can
find
out
for
you.
I
don't
have
that
in
front
of
me,
but
by
all
means
send
me
an
email
and
I
can
I
can
try
to
follow
up
on
that
for
you
and
then
the
last
point
about
about
what
we
can
do
during
this
project.
A
You
know
we
have
some
some
great
economists
who
are
working
with
us
and
they'll
tell
you
that
there
are
certain
characteristics
of
projects
in
turn,
including
you
know,
size
and
average
unit
size
and
things
like
that.
A
Where
the
developer
is
just
naturally
going
to
choose
to
sell,
because
sometimes
the
the
management
costs
are
just
so
much
more
on
a
per
unit
basis
than
than
they
would
be
for,
if,
if
they
were
selling
than
if
they
are
managing
it
and
renting
it
out,
so
what
we're
going
to
continue
to
do
throughout
this
project
is
look
for
ways
that
we
can
try
to
anticipate
through.
You
know
studying
the
the
economics
and
feasibility
of
projects,
how
we
can
continue
to
encourage
ownership
units
that
way.
E
K
Hi,
I'm
jane
using
harold's
ipad
anyway.
Thank
you
for
doing
this.
I
wanted
to
ask
about
this
huge
parcel
of
dirt.
That's
located
on
the
corner
of,
I
believe
phyllis
avenue
in
el
camino,
it's
being
used,
as
I
guess,
a
toxic
waste
dump
for
el
camino
hospital.
K
I'm
just
wondering
is
that
a
part
of
this
whole
project
and
at
some
time
in
the
future,
is
that
going
to
be
developed
too.
As
part
of
this.
A
That's
a
great
question
so
that
site
is
zoned
as
part
of
the
el
camino
real
precise
plan.
So
it's
not
part
of
this
project.
It's
not
an
r3
zone,
and
I
you
know,
if
you're
interested
in
looking
at,
what's
allowed
there,
you
can.
You
can
look
up
the
el
camino
real,
precise
plan
online.
You
know
it
would
my
memory
serves.
It
would
allow
development
kind
of
similar
to
what's
happened
at
you
know
several
of
the
sites
on
the
north
side
of
el
camino
between
kind
of
rangsdorf
and
ortega.
A
I
think
there
are
a
few
kind
of
larger
four-story
apartment
projects
along
there.
So
similar
standards
is
that
we've
talked
to
el
camino
hospital
about
what
they
intend
to
do
with
the
site.
They
don't
have
anything
planned
at
this
time
and
they
could
potentially
use
it
for
housing,
possibly
as
long
as
it's
got
a
relationship
to
their
kind
of
healthcare
mandate,
but
it
could
also
potentially
be
medical
offices
which
has
a
more
direct
connection
to
their
their
health
care
mandate.
So
again,
right
now,
they're
they're
just
holding
on
to
it.
E
A
Okay,
yeah,
sorry,
we
couldn't
get
to
everyone
who
wanted
to
ask
a
question,
but
at
the
end
of
the
meeting
I
usually
have
a
couple
of
minutes
where
I
can
answer
any
follow-up
questions
as
well
looks
like
everybody's
coming
back.
A
I
think
we
have
everybody
back
from
the
breakout
rooms,
yeah
that
all
the
breakout
rooms
are
closed.
Thank
you,
so
much
for
all
your
great
input,
as
I
was
bouncing
around
through
groups,
I
I
definitely
heard
a
lot
of
really
really
great
comments.
Great
questions.
Great
discussion
really
really
appreciate
it
and
I
hope
you
had
an
excellent
time.
A
Let's
talk
to
somebody
from
each
group
get
a
summary
of
the
main
ideas
and
discussion
points
that
came
up.
We
don't
need
to
be
comprehensive.
This
can
be
fairly
quick,
a
couple
of
minutes,
but
just
some
of
the
big
ideas.
So,
let's
start
with
the
main
room,
russell
and
aaron's
room.
D
D
I
didn't
focus
on
favoring
the
level
the
highs
and
some
people
are
favoring
up
to
not
more
than
three
frost,
but
I
do
hear
some
people
want
to
have
six
fraud
because
they
look
nice
right.
Is
that
right?
Am
I
right,
russia,
I
think
that's
fair,
yeah.
Okay,
some
people
prefer
that,
but
also
there
are
quite
some
people
against
higher
than
three
flaws,
and
people
want
have
bigger
setbacks,
people
care
about
a
power
play
like
park
and
recreation
space,
people
care
about
traffic
people
care
about.
D
Also,
some
people
care
about
parking
spaces,
people
care
about
retail,
what
kind
of
retail
in
the
commercial
floor
whether
they
are
grocery
or
not,
also
people
care
about
the
school
school
capacity,
people
care
about,
also
policing,
like
resources.
Do
we
have
enough
police
and
fire
fighting,
because
there
are
definitely
more
people
need
to
be.
D
You
know:
keep
safe
and
people
care
about
noise
being
introduced
by
more
people,
people
care
about
blocking
the
sun
or
shade
blocking
the
sky
from
nearby
lower
building
and
yeah.
I
will
let
other
people
to
like
fill
in
the
other.
A
Great
I
mean
does,
is
I
I
think
that
sounded
great.
That
was
like
a
really
comprehensive
summary
and
I
really
appreciate
you
speaking
up
to
the
whole
group.
Thank
you
so
much,
let's
jump
to
group
number
one.
I
think
that
was
tony's
group.
C
Yeah
that's
tony
and
I's,
so
I
think
the
group
was
generally
supportive
of
a
lot
of
the
the
design
aspects
or
approaches
in
the
2022
approach.
I
think
there
was
a
lot
of
concern
with
transitioning
to
lower
density
or
I.e
like
lower
height
single
family
homes.
C
They
felt
some
of
the
taller
buildings
are
more
appropriate
along
certain
corridors
such
as
I
know,
el
camino
was
mentioned
a
few
times.
C
They
also
we're
very
supportive
of
providing
visual
buffers
in
terms
of
like
landscape,
larger
setbacks,
sidewalk
areas,
things
that
can
provide
sort
of
sort
of
help
reduce
the
visual
scale
of
buildings,
also
provide
green
space
and.
C
And
there
is
generally
supportive
of
allowing
additional
building
height
for
the
provision
of
public
open
space.
There
was
some
skeptic
skepticism
in
terms
of
developers
actually
following
through
with
quality
sized
open
space
areas
and
some
thought
it
would
be
appropriate
based
on
case
per
case
or
project
specific
basis.
A
J
J
So
if
you
could
end
up
with
a
huge
building
three
four
stories:
squat
in
the
middle
of
single-family
homes,
with
no
real
transitions,
we
were
told
the
courts
haven't
decided.
Yet
whether
the
city
can
even
force
such
an
issue,
there
was
concern
over
the
blocky
flat
facades
that
we
could
end
up
with,
which
also
makes
transitions
even
more
difficult
to
deal
with.
The
blocking
of
the
sun
was
also
a
big
concern,
even
with
generous
setbacks.
J
The
idea
was
that,
if
you're
going
to
have
the,
if
there's
going
to
be
a
density
bonus
for
giving
open
space,
it
doesn't
appear
as
if
in
single
family,
neighborhoods,
there's
actually
going
to
be
such
some
a
num
enough
space
for
there
to
be
tall
buildings
and
driveways
and
open
space.
J
There
was
a
lot
of
concern
that
that's
not
going
to
fit
in
the
character
of
this
very
residential
neighborhood.
We
don't
really
have
any
pictures,
any
ideas
as
to
what
this
could
possibly
look
like,
and
the
idea
also
was
that
it
could
dilute
the
businesses
that
are
already
established
in
the
centralized
business
districts
and
that
standalone
businesses
may
have
a
very
limited
benefit
or
ability
to
survive.
J
The
other
issue
was
also
infrastructure.
The
fact
that
we
are
not
building
infrastructure
first,
especially
transit
and
we're
putting
the
density
in
first.
So
the
example
was
in
this
r3
area.
You
would
need
a
car
just
basically
to
even
get
to
downtown
from
most
places.
So
how
is
that
going
to
work
that
we're
not
just
adding
masses
massive
amounts
of
cars
and
traffic
because
we're
not
putting
in
the
infrastructure?
A
Great
thank
you
so
much.
Louise
really
appreciate
your
input
and
providing
the
summary.
How
about
beth's
group
number
three.
E
Yes
I'll
be
representing
for
my
group
and
conveying
all
of
their
opinions,
so
there
was
support
for
the
2022
scaled
back
approach,
especially
having
the
r3a
further
from
el
camino
regarding
the
character
of
the
buildings.
They're
we're
brainstorming
about
how
to
match
styles
with
neighbors,
especially
trying
to
put
blocky
buildings
near
blocky
and
other
similar
roof
lines
near
similar,
trying
to
be
sensitive
of
existing
zones,
thinking
a
bit
about
privacy
and
avoiding
peering
into
backyards
of
other
people's
homes,
an
option
being
partial
third
stories.
E
There's
big
supports
for
the
porch
stoops
and
supporting
consistent
setbacks
as
neighbors,
not
finding
it
very
fitting
to
have
open
space
with
height
allowances
around
it.
Just
because
the
parcels
are
too
small
in
this
neighborhood
and
if
open
space
is
generated,
then
they'd
like
it
to
be
publicly
available.
M
N
Thanks
eric
I'll
be
summarizing
for
our
group,
we
did
hear
some
concerns
about
the
capacity
of
the
infrastructure,
particularly
sewer
and
water,
to
accommodate
more
people
in
the
r3.
So
by
and
large,
our
group
was
comfortable
with
the
2022
approach
of
keeping
the
intensity
more
or
less
the
same.
N
N
N
We
heard
a
couple
of
examples
cited
in
support
of
that
one
was
santa
clara
square
and
then
the
other
was
the
public
square
in
front
of
city
hall,
and
we
felt
that
these
were
good
places
for
amenities
like
coffee
shops
and
restaurants.
N
D
Sorry
eric,
I
was
representing
group
number
one
russell's
group,
but
after
hearing
other
people
I
feel
I
am
doing
to
rush
a
job
to
concise.
I
I
feel
bad
for
my
group,
so
I
want
to
add
something
that
I
I
I
miss
yeah
very
quickly.
Okay,
please!
D
So
people
are
generally
concerned
about
also
the
infrastructure
capacity,
mostly
around
the
road,
because
people
believe
that
we
can
put
more
parking
or
whatever,
but
we
cannot
make
the
road
wider
or
bigger
so
because
there's
more
people
definitely
more
car,
so
people
do
bring
up
like
we
can
in
buses,
but
still
that
we
still
believe
there
will
be
more
cars
for
sure,
and
we
are
concerned
about
the
traffic
jam
like
the
cherokee
condition
around
the
grand
and
el
camino.
D
Real
is
already
very
bad
because
that
one
go
to
85,
101
and
2
32
to
37,
and
I
personally
have
measured.
It
takes
five
minutes,
sometimes
for
me
to
get
over
that
a
red
light.
So
can
we
solve
that
problem
like
make
it
more
fluent
at
first
or
a
second
people?
Are
some
people
concerned
about
traffic
safety
because
we
still
remember
two
or
three
months
ago,
the
tragedy,
a
middle
schooler,
a
viking
that
got
hit
and
unfortunately
passed
away?
D
So
we
we
don't
want
us
in
heaven
again,
and
people
also
talk
about
like
some
people
favor
most
of
us,
I
believe
favor
2022
plan
those
building
a
and
b
and
some
people
do
favor
higher
building
because
they
they
talking
about
redwood
city.
They
look.
Some
of
them
look
very
well
very
good,
but
I
also
hear
people
concerned
about
we
are
making
this
very
residential
area
become
really
look
like
the
downtown
area,
some
people
against
to
make
it
look
like
the
downtown
area.
D
A
Well,
thank
you.
I
really
appreciate
your
cognizance
of
trying
to
express
every
every
you
know
the
diversity
of
your
viewpoints
in
your
group.
Thank
you
so
much
so
that
is
it
before
you
leave.
We
have
a
couple
more
announcements.
First
of
all,
let
me
share
my
screen.
A
There
we
go
first
of
all
if
you
feel
like
you
had
more
to
say,
or
if
you
have
a
neighbor
that
couldn't
make
it
please
log
in
to
our
website
here,
mountainview.gov
slash,
r3.
Zoning
update
the
url
is
also
on
the
flyer
that
we've
it's
been
circulating
around,
as
well
as
the
notice
that
you
may
have
received
at
your
house.
A
You'll
have
an
opportunity
to
provide
comments
on
all
of
these
topics
at
a
link.
That's
available
on
this
website
for
this
neighborhood.
That
link
will
be
up,
probably
in
the
next
a
week
or
so,
but
you
should
be
able
to
find
it
there
and
continue
to
provide
input
on
all
these
topics
and
next
steps
after
this
outreach,
which
will
carry
on
pretty
much
through
the
end
of
2022
or
will
continue
to
be
reaching
out
to
different
groups,
will
develop
options
and
return
to
the
epc
and
council
for
their
review
in
early
2023.
A
So
thanks
again
to
everybody
for
coming
out
tonight,
and
we
really
appreciate
your
time
and
your
input
and
yeah
feel
free
to
contact
me
if
you
have
any
other
questions
again
thanks
again
for
a
wonderful
evening
and
I'll
hang
out
for
another
five
minutes
or
so.
If
people
have
random
questions
that
they
want
to
throw
at
me.
M
Hey
eric,
how
do
we
get
a
hold
of
bass
after
this
meeting.
B
A
Oh
hold
it
beth
feel
free
to
email
me,
I'm
at
eric.anderson2
at
mountainview.gov
and
I'll
forward.
Any
requests
or
anything
like
that
to
beth.
A
Great
any
other
questions,
just
you
know
we
don't
need
to.
I
think,
as
people
are
kind
of
drifting
off
of
the
the
meeting,
I
don't
think
we
need
to
call
on
people
specifically
if
you
just
want
to
speak
up
and
chill
in
dance.
D
I
think
because
I
was
going
to
leave,
but
you
said
you
are
going
to
stay
for
five
minutes.
That's
why
I
want
to
ask
you
so
you
I
was
actually
sorry
I
joined
lei.
I
did
not
hear
most
of
the
personalization,
but
I
I
was
wondering
you
know
breaking
breakout
room
in
the
map.
I
do
not
see
the
bluesome
very
certain
more
in
the
map.
A
Right
so
the
the
blossom
valley
shopping
center
is
that
rezoning
is
a
process
that
we're
doing
through
the
housing
element
and
it's
actually
required
under
state
law,
because
we've
actually
back
in
2012
when
we
adopted
the
general
plan,
we
there
so
now,
there's
an
inconsistency
between
the
zoning
and
the
general
plan.
So
in
order
to
bring
those
into
consistency,
we
do
need
to
adopt
some
standards
for
allowing
housing
at
that
site.
A
That's
happening
through
the
housing
element
process
and
we're
gonna
present
those
standards
to
the
epc
in
november
and
to
the
council
in
december,
and
I
encourage
you
to
stay
tuned
to
those
discussions.
If
you're
interested
in
that
discussion.
D
Oh,
how
can
my
titles
is
that
housing
argument
you.
A
A
F
F
When
do
you
think
there
will
be
like
some
kind
of
document
or
something
that
we
could
look
at
for
you
know
what
these
house
scale
and
you
know
large
house
scale
things
mean.
A
Yeah,
that's
a
good
question.
Thank
you!
So,
the
the
next
step
I
mean
we're
gonna,
we're
gonna
process
these
workshops
and
any
additional
outreach
that
we
have
to
do
for
the
end
of
the
year
and
then
in
early
2023,
we're
going
to
kind
of
put
together
several
kind
of
maybe
the
next
level
of
detail
kind
of
framework
options.
It
may
not
still
have
you
know
specific.
A
You
know
numbers
but
it'll
have
more
more
detail,
more
guidance,
more
kind
of
a
better
kind
of
that
that
next
level
of
detail
and
we'll
be
able
to
present
that
both
to
the
community
and
to
the
environmental
planning,
commission
and
council,
probably
in
early
2023,
so
stay
tuned.
For
that
you
know
winter
spring
2023.
I
A
A
I
wouldn't
count
on
us
being
able
to
do
that.
Honestly,
I
think
that's
exactly
the
type
of
thing
that,
if,
if
the
state
called
us
on
it,
we
probably
would
not
be
able
to
do
because
our
general
plan
already
allows
the
housing
and
the
shopping
centers.
I
I
That
would
be
considered.
That's
different,
then.
A
Yes,
if
we
were
to
take
another
area
and
and
allow
house
more
housing
or
upzone
housing,
then
yeah
we
would
be
able
to
die
down
zone
at
the
same
time.
I
do
want
to
say,
though,
that
and
and
just
to
be
perfectly
transparent.
A
We
are
up
zoning
and
and
adding
housing
as
an
allowed
use
on
in
several
areas
through
the
housing
element
process,
but
we
can't
then
simultaneously
down
zone
because
we're
doing
that
in
order
to
comply
with
the
state
quotas
for
upzoning
for
housing.
So
I
just
want
to
be
transparent
about
that.
You
know
the
housing
element
process.
That's
going
on
right
now.
We
can't
then,
and
down
zone
based
on
that,
so
it
would
have
to
be
some
future
voluntary,
upzoning
action
that
we
could
do
with
down
zoning.
At
the
same
time,.
D
Eric
I
just
one
final
question
very
quick.
You
mentioned
about
the
perusan
valley
supreme
center.
It
will
be
like
in
november
december.
The
early
housing
element
goes
through.
You
see
my
I
did
not
still
I'm
I'm
not
that
well
understanding
the
process.
So
my
question
is:
is
that
those
just
plus
process
that
need
to
go
through
like
just
the
time
and
it
is
going
to
be
redone?
It
just
need
to
go
through
this
legal
process.
It's
not
going
to
be
changed.
A
A
There
is
a
legal
process
and
ultimately
it's
up
to
the
council
to
do
the
rezoning,
but
certainly
all
up
until
now
the
council
has
indicated
that
they
intend
to,
and
it
is
certainly
in
our
best
interest
to
rezone
it
consistent
with
the
general
plan
under
state
law.
Okay,.
D
Once
it's
redrawn,
it
might
not
necessarily
mean
there
will
be
developer
immediately.
Developing
it
right
is
that.
A
The
process-
okay,
yeah,
so
it
you
know
if
the
property
owner's
happy
with
the
current
rents
that
they're
getting
from
the
safeway
and
the
starbucks
and
everything
else.
That's
there,
then
it's
very
likely
that
it
won't
get
redeveloped
for
many
many
years,
but
there
is.
D
A
D
A
All
right,
well,
it
doesn't
seem
like
there
are
any
more
questions.
Thank
you
all
so
much
for
coming
out
tonight.
That
concludes
this.
This
meeting
and
again,
thank
you
so
much
for
your
time,
taking
your
thursday
night
to
join
us,
really
really
appreciate
it
have
a
good
night.
Everyone.