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Description
R3 Update Workshop for San Antonio/Rengstorff/Del Medio
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B
A
All
right,
so
we
will
start
interpretation
and
move
on.
As
a
reminder,
please
keep
yourself
muted.
During
the
presentation.
We
will
have
an
opportunity
for
q
a
afterward.
Please
use
the
reaction
raise
hand
tool.
If
you
want
to
ask
a
question
if
you're
calling
in
please
raise
your
hand
at
the
end
of
the
presentation
using
star9,
we'll
answer
your
questions
after
the
presentation
we'll
have
group
discussions
to
talk
about
some
of
the
key
questions
that
we
have
in
our
presentation.
A
The
purpose
of
tonight's
meeting
is
to
get
input
on
the
r3
zoning
update.
This
project
is
an
action
in
the
council's
strategic
roadmap.
It's
part
of
a
priority
to
help
create
housing
options
in
the
city.
This
meeting
is
focused
on
the
san
antonio
ranksdorf
del
medio.
Neighborhood
future
workshops
will
focus
on
other
neighborhoods.
A
A
presentation
overview
where
we
have
been
overview
of
where
we've
been
with
the
project
and
some
options
for
where
we
can
go,
then
we
will
go
into
breakout
groups
to
hear
from
each
other
about
your
thoughts
on
each
option.
And
lastly,
there
will
be
a
report
back.
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A
A
R3
is
one
of
the
city's
standard
zoning
districts
and
it's
intended
for
a
broad
range
of
residential
development
types.
It
covers
much
of
the
city
and
almost
all
the
neighborhoods
with
multi-family
row
house
and
other
hoa
developments.
The
r3
zone
regulates
development
through
standards
which
new
buildings
need
to
comply
with.
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So
why
are
we
updating
the
r3
zone?
As
I
stated
earlier,
the
city
council
has
a
goal
to
increase
housing
options
in
the
city
and
the
r3
zoning
update
is
a
key
part
of
that
effort.
The
city
is
looking
into
a
form-based
approach.
This
means
that
the
standards
focus
on
the
form
of
the
building
rather
than
its
contents.
A
For
example,
a
building
with
more
small
units
would
be
treated
the
same
as
a
building
with
fewer
large
units.
This
has
several
benefits.
First,
the
current
framework
of
densities.
Don't
really
address
neighborhood
conditions.
Through
a
zoning
code
update,
we
can
locate
higher
densities
near
transit
or
services.
We
can
also
modulate
character,
defining
standards
like
far
setbacks
and
open
area
to
reflect
changes
in
density
changes,
because
standards,
changes
to
standards
can
also
help
create
a
broader
range
of
unit
types,
including
more
stack
flats
which
can
be
relatively
more
affordable
than
row,
homes
and
other
product
types.
A
Before
we
get
any
further,
we
should
define
some
terms
that
we're
going
to
be
using
later
in
the
presentation.
One
is
house
scale
which
generally
refers
to
separate
buildings
along
a
block,
usually
up
to
about
80
feet
wide.
They
can
include
multiple
units
and
are
generally
up
to
about
two
to
three
stories.
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C
A
A
Okay
and
that
cool,
thank
you
again.
That'll
help
us
to
determine
if
there
are
any
interest
groups
that
we
need
to
put
more
focus
in
in
reaching
out
to
later
on
in
the
process.
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A
That
framework
looked
at
maximizing
development
potential.
It
looked
at
the
characteristics
of
each
site
and
analyzed
how
large
a
building
the
site
could
feasibly
accommodate.
In
addition,
there
was
analysis
of
how
many
existing
units
could
be
replaced
at
rents
or
sales
prices
affordable
to
those
living
there
today.
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A
A
Ensuring
infrastructure
parks
and
schools
can
support
growth,
creating
better
access
to
retail
services
and
amenities
interest
in
building
new
housing
near
transit.
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A
A
This
slide
summarizes
the
growth
framework
that
I
talked
about.
It
included
these
sub-districts,
ranging
from
two
up
to
six
stories.
The
two-story
sub-district
focused
on
areas
with
small
parcels
and
no
nearby
three-story
buildings.
The
three
and
four-story
sub-districts
were
in
areas
with
a
mix
of
different
surrounding
building
sizes
and
parcel
sizes.
The
six-story
sub-district
was
just
for
the
sites
with
the
most
development
capacity
and
fewest
surrounding
two-story
buildings,
but,
as
I
said,
we're
taking
another
look
at
how
sub-districts
could
be
different
in
the
r3
zone.
A
Rather
than
focusing
on
differences
in
height,
we
could
focus
on
differences
in
scale
and
character.
An
alternative
framework
could
have
lower
intensity
districts,
be
more
house
scale
and
higher
intensity
districts
be
more
block
scale.
These
are
some
alternative
districts.
As
you
can
see,
these
images
show
how
buildings
can
be
more
massive,
including
more
width
and
fewer
space
between
adjacent
buildings
at
the
higher
sub-districts,
but
not
by
increasing
height.
A
Later
in
the
presentation,
we
will
look
at
a
map
of
where
these
districts
can
go
during
your
breakout
rooms.
You
can
respond
to
these
pictures.
For
example,
is
there
anything
you
like
about
the
buildings
or
things
you
don't
like?
Are
there
locations
where
some
of
these
buildings
might
be
appropriate,
or
even
some
of
the
previous
frameworks,
buildings.
A
In
addition,
we've
revised
the
proposed
r3
map
and
eliminated
cases
where
higher
intensity
sub
zones
would
be
added
adjacent
to
lower
density
neighborhoods.
The
lower
intensity
subzones
could
have
new
standards
which
could
limit
scale,
including
height
width
and
depth
both
facing
the
street,
as
well
as
along
internal
property
lines.
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A
A
A
A
The
in
the
2022
approach
map,
it's
all
three
stories
with
potential
density
bonus
under
state
law,
which
would
go
above
three
stories,
but
the
block
scale
buildings
are
focused
around
california,
latham
and
del
medio,
as
well
as
some
areas
closer
to
the
san
antonio
shopping
center
and
then
other
areas
that
are
farther
away
from
the
san
antonio
shopping
center
or
are
already
developed
with
row.
Houses
and
other
smaller
scale
uses
are
in
the
lower
density
zones.
The
r3a
and
r3b
zones.
A
A
We
will
be
asking
you
in
the
breakout
rooms
to
weigh
in
on
these
two
maps.
You
can
be
thinking
about
whether
we
should
change
any
of
the
locations
of
subzones
are
any
of
the
previous
sub
zones,
a
good
idea
anywhere,
where
are
transitions
important?
Where
would
neighborhood
serving
commercial
be
appropriate?
A
So
that
summarizes
our
alternative
approach
tonight
you'll
have
an
opportunity
to
respond
to
these
ideas
in
your
breakout
groups.
You
can
discuss
these
questions
like
what
do
you
like
in
the
examples
of
buildings?
What
don't
you
like?
Where
could
they
be
appropriate?
Where
should
pedestrian
and
bicycle
users
be
prioritized?
Where
would
you
support
allowing
small
neighborhoods
serving
commercial
uses?
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E
Yeah,
so
I'm
just
wondering
you
mentioned
that
in
2020
you
try
to
maximize
development
capacity,
but
then
it
sounds
like
you
scaled
it
back
to
some
degree
and
I'm
curious.
Why
so,
of
course,
focusing
in
places
like
close
to
transit?
This
all
makes
sense,
but
why
not
to
really
try
to
maximize
development
capacity,
given
all
constraints
that
already
know
so.
A
Great
question:
thank
you
so
much
a
couple
of
reasons.
So
the
question:
if
people
didn't
hear
it
is,
why
did
we
change
our
approach
to
2022
to
reduce
the
overall
capacity
of
the
r3
zone
in
this
alternative
approach?
A
One
reason
is
to
give
the
public
an
opportunity
to
respond
to
real
alternatives,
and
this
kind
of
helps
us
get
an
understanding
of
where
the
community's
priorities
may
be
and
where
different
parts
of
the
community
might
have
different
values
and
different
priorities.
So
it's
really
to
just
start
the
conversation
and
provide
a
a
way
to
bring
out
options
from
the
community.
A
In
addition,
during
this
round
of
kind
of
informal
conversations
that
we
had
with
different
stakeholder
groups
earlier
this
year,
there
was
concern
about
you
know
a
large
scale,
growth
in
across
the
whole
city
across
the
whole
r3
zone,
and
this
gives
up
on
us
an
opportunity
to
be
a
little
bit
more
incremental.
A
Okay,
if
you're
go
ahead,
beth,
if
you
wanna.
D
Yes,
the
way
to
raise
your
hand
is
to
go
to
the
reaction.
It's
the
smiley
face
at
the
bottom
of
your
screen
and
then
you'll
see
an
option
to
raise
your
hand:
okay,
boomer,
okay!
Thank
you!
Okay
and
I'll.
Come
back
y'all
I'll!
Ask
you
for
a
question.
After
we
ask
tim
and
then
after
tim
will
ask
matthew
and
then
I'll
come
to
you
peggy!
Okay!
Now
I
see
okay,
so
tim,
you
can
ask
your
question.
G
Yes,
please.
I
appreciate
you
holding
this
session
this
evening,
I'm
concerned
potentially
about
density.
We
seem
to
be
looking
through
this
at
a
like
a
soda
straw.
As
far
as
individual
properties
are
concerned,
does
the
city
console
have
a
limit
on
density
by
neighborhood
and
is
there
an
overall
density
target
for
the
city?
Please.
A
Great
question
we
have
through
our
zoning
code,
we
have
a
range
of
maximum
densities
in
different
parts
of
the
city,
so
along
el
camino
real.
It's
not
unheard
of
to
see.
You
know
recent
developments
that
have
been
80
even
more.
You
know
80
90
units
per
acre
in
east
wisman
and
north
bay
shore.
We
recently
adopted
plans
even
higher
density
than
that
the
r3
zone.
A
Currently
it
ranges
from
25
to
35
units
per
acre,
and
that
depends
on
which
neighborhood
you're
in
some
of
the
neighborhoods
are
on
the
higher
end
of
that
scale,
and
some
of
the
neighborhoods
are
on
the
lower
end
of
that
scale,
and
hopefully
that
answered
your
question.
A
There
is
no
that
the
council
has
not
set
any
city-wide
cap
to
density.
There's
no
policy
that
that
sets
us
a
kind
of
city-wide
maximum,
but
in
effect
there
are
the
parts
of
the
city
where
the
density
is
the
highest.
A
There
is
no
neighborhood
density
limit,
that's
all
done
through
zoning,
individual
properties,
which
can
have
an
aggregate,
neighborhood
density.
H
So
I
was
just
wondering
what
form
the
potential
commercial
areas
will
look
like:
will
they
be
more
autofocus
pedestrian
focused?
Will
they
have
to
fit
into
the
form
factor
of
like
surrounding
houses
or
stuff,
like
that?
I'm
just
curious.
A
So
this
is
exactly
the
type
of
input.
That's
a
great
question
matthew!
Thank
you.
This
is
exactly
the
type
of
things
that
we'd
love
to
hear
from
you
about
how
you
would
envision
commercial
in
your
neighborhoods.
You
know
when
we
say
a
neighborhood
serving
commercial
generally.
That
does
mean
the
small
scale
uses
that
are.
A
You
know
like
restaurants,
cafes
things
like
that
that
are
aren't
going
to
attract
a
huge
number
of
cars
from
across
the
region,
but
how
you
want
those
uses
to
be
designed
and
how
you
want
them
to
interact
with
the
surrounding
residential
neighborhoods
is,
is
kind
exactly
the
type
of
input
that
we
want
tonight.
F
Oh
hi,
I
having
trouble
reading
the
map,
I'm
basically
what
I'm
interested
in
is.
I
would
like
that
all
the
buildings
that
are
four
stories
or
higher
to
be
restrict
san
antonio
road
and
el
camino.
A
That's
that's
a
great
comment.
It's
exactly
the
type
of
thing
that
we're
going
to
want
to
hear
in
our
breakout
groups
in.
A
F
I
Okay,
lee
yes
hi!
This
is
lee.
I
have
a
question
regarding
to
the
map
changing
between
2020
to
2022.
Once
you
reduce
the
levels
of
the
stories.
Are
you
in
general,
in
this
area
particular
map?
You
reduce
the
total
units.
You
can
build
from
20.
A
Okay,
potentially
that
could
have
a
reduction.
We
wouldn't
it
wouldn't
reduce
from
what
we
can
do
today.
So
today
we
were
actually
not
allowed
under
state
law
to
reduce
from
what
is
allowed
today,
but
between
the
proposed
2020
map
to
the
2022
map.
That
would
be
a
reduction
in
the
potential
future
amount
of
units.
A
No,
I
I
don't,
unfortunately,
so
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
we're
trying
to
get
input
from
the
community
on
the
the
pros
and
cons
of
the
different
maps
and
how
they
might
want
to
mix
and
match
them
potentially,
and
once
we
do
that,
we'll
get
a
better
understanding
of
the
potential
feasibility
of
redevelopment.
I
And
you
don't
really
need
to
resolve
for
this
map.
Am
I
understanding?
This
correctly
is
already
r3.
A
It
that's
correct.
These
areas
are
all
already
r3,
but
what
we
are
doing
is
we
are
updating
the
rules
under
r3
to
better
reflect
current
building
types
and
council
goals
to
to
encourage
more
stack,
flats
and
moderate
income
units.
I
Yeah
the
same
comments,
I
would
think
it's
probably
pretty
ideal
to
have
higher
stories
on
the
facing
el
camino
side
and
facing
san
antonio
side
and
the
inner
ones
could
be
lower.
Just
you
know,
I
I
think
I
can
feel
the
same
way
as
the
previous
person
reads,
the
question
yeah
I
have
I.
I
appreciate
all
the
questions
you
have
answered
from
me.
A
No
problem
yeah
stay
tuned
and
we'll
we'll
get
that
comment
noted
down
appreciate
it.
Thank.
J
Hey
everyone-
I
was
just
wondering,
I
know
just
there's
a
lot
of
there's
a
sizable
amount
of
renters
in
this
r3
zone,
as
it
is
a
multi-family
zoned
area
and
just
looking
at
the
bulls
at
the
beginning
and
just
knowing
that
a
lot
of
times
renters
tend
to
be
underrepresented
in
these
type
of
meetings.
I
was
wondering
what
the
planning
group
was
doing
to
try
to
do
outreach
to
the
renters.
A
Absolutely
well
we,
after
once,
we
finish
this
round
of
workshops,
we're
going
to
continue
to
have
the
the
websites
for
continuing
to
provide
input.
We'll
look
at
any,
maybe
potential
areas
where
we
haven't
heard
from
a
lot
of
groups,
or
you
know
kind
of
our
target
number
of
input
from
different
folks
and
then
we'll
go
out
and
we'll
we
have
a
bunch
of
mailing
lists
and
contact
lists.
For
you
know
the
csfra.
B
A
And
the
tenant
tenant
groups
and
things
like
that
that
we'll
we'll
continue
to
utilize
to
try
to
try
to
get
input
from
from
any
populations
that
we
might
have
missed.
A
Great
well
perfect,
thank
you
all
so
much
great
questions.
Let's
jump
into
our
breakout
groups
hold
on
one.
Second,
let's
see,
if
there's
anything
yeah,
you
will
be
assigned
a
random
breakout
group,
so
please
just
accept
it
when
you're
prompted
if
you're
interested
in
joining
a
spanish
or
chinese
breakout
group,
please
do
not
accept
the
group.
A
Hopefully
my
interpreters
are
translating
this
for
me,
but
please
raise
your
hand
and
we'll
put
you
into
a
special
group,
and
hopefully
we
will
have
enough
interpreters
to
support
every
every
language
we
want
welcome
back.
I
hope
you
had
an
excellent
time
with
your
group
and
provide
a
lot
of
great
input
to
the
process.
A
So
let's
talk
to
someone
from
each
group
and
get
a
summary
of
the
big
ideas
and
discussion
points
that
came
up
how
about
group
one.
I
think
that
was
tony's
group.
K
Yeah,
thank
you.
Eric
yeah.
We
had
a
great
discussion,
a
lot
of
input
and
lee
is
going
to
summarize
for
our
group
lee.
Thank
you.
K
You're
mutedly
you're
muted,
please
I'm
getting
yourself.
I
Hello,
can
you
hear
me:
okay,
hi
everyone,
I
oh
our
group
kind
of
like
to
style,
r3-c
block
style.
We
think
it's
consistent
with
all
the
other
most
of
the
other
buildings
in
that
area,
and
the
only
concern
is
now
the
top
one
of
the
r3-c
with
you
know.
I
The
ones
we
like
is
more
like
mediterranean
style,
the
lower
r3-c
block
style
and
the
the
transition
comments
are.
We
would
like
the
size
to
if
the
if
the
large
building
is
next
to
a
smaller.
I
We
would
like
to
to
limit
the
height
of
the
building
and
we
would
like
to
if
the
buildings
are
above
three
levels.
We
would
like
the
buildings
to
be
built
off
either
el
camino
or
santo
new
and
the
the
team.
The
group
all
agree.
We
support
open
space
and
green
space,
but
we
didn't
get
a
consensus
if
we
would
like
to
trade
off
like
brewing
higher
to
trade
out
for
open
space,
we
would
also
like
to
keep
the
park.
I
Currently
we
have
at
the
corner
of
ortega
and
california
street
and
we
believe
that's
a
public
park.
We
should
be
able
to
keep
them
for
the
commercial
buildings.
We
would
like
to
most
possibly
have
one
bike
shop
and
maybe
a
bubble
tea
or
coffee,
some
kind
of
cute
outdoor
commercial
retail
space
of
camino
el
camino.
I
We,
if
it's
possible,
I
I
believe
we
would
like
to
have
a
another
retail,
maybe
sandwich
shop.
Some
small
restaurants
cafe
with
some
small
east
at
the
corner
of
california's
street
and
rinsed
off
avenue,
and
that's
summarize
what
we
discussed
in
our
group.
A
Well,
that's
great!
Thank
you
so
much
lee.
That
sounds
like
a
lot
of
great,
really
great
stuff.
You
know
a
lot
of
really
great
input,
especially
on
the
commercial
and
the
the
character
of
buildings
and
the
style.
That's
really
really
good
stuff.
How
about
room?
Two
russell.
L
Yeah
I
couldn't
get
any
volunteers
to
to
share
so
I'll
be
doing
it.
I
guess
maybe
maybe
we
need
to
start
handing
out
prizes
for
some
of
these
groups
but
happy
to
share.
We
had.
Let's
see,
we
had
some
some
mixed
feelings
about
the
first
topic
about
the
2020
approach
versus
the
2022
approach.
L
L
Some
people
were
a
little
more
hesitant
about
allowing
especially
the
the
2022
approach
that
allowed
up
to
six
stories
in
the
r3
zone.
L
Obviously,
with
you
know,
parking
and
traffic
impacts
in
terms
of
the
the
transition
tools,
we
heard
some
interesting
comments
about
about
about
who
are
who
those
are
designed
to
protect
and
some
good
comments
about,
not
not
using
those
tools
just
to
protect
single-family
residential
homes,
but
also
some
of
the
the
smaller
apartment
buildings
in
r3
to
really
pay
attention
to
the
surrounding
context,
regardless
of
zoning
and
type
of
dwelling
that
is
abutting.
Those
new
projects
also
the
types
of
transitions.
L
Some
people
were
a
little
concerned
about
being
a
little
too
strict
and
limiting
potential
of
new
projects
through
transition
regulatory
tools
that
are
there
to
address
transition.
L
Let's
see
when
it
comes
to
streetscapes
yeah,
I
think
everybody
was
fairly
on
the
same
page
about
wanting
nice,
streetscapes
porches
door
yard
stoops.
L
Some
interesting
comments
on
the
idea
of
requiring
public
open
spaces.
Some
some
some
concern
in
some
people's
voices
about
about
how
those
how
those
trade-offs
might
be
set
up.
So
what's
what
might
the
quality
of
those
spaces,
those
public
open
spaces
that
might
be
provided
and
what
might
be
used
as
exchange
for.
L
You
know
the
flexibility
to
developers.
What
exactly
can
they
what
they
can
get
out
of
in
exchange
for
that
small
scale,
commercial
uses?
We
we
had
pretty
much
consensus.
It
seems,
like
everybody,
likes
the
idea
of
having
something
useful
to
walk
to,
especially
when
it's
neighborhood
scale,
especially
if
it
doesn't
have
a
parking
lot
in
front.
So
we
talked
about
maybe
limiting
parking
minimums
in
those
spaces
and
a
couple
people
mentions.
The
crossings
is
good.
L
Examples
of
what
that
might
look
like
in
our
three
san
antonio
and
el
camino
is
a
good
intersection
where
those
might
be
allowed
or
encouraged
yeah,
and
I
think
that
that
wraps
up
our
comments
on
group
two.
A
Great
thanks
so
much
russell
yeah,
so
definitely
hearing
some
issues
where
there
might
be
disagreement,
but
definitely
some
issues
where
there's
agreement
as
well:
a
lot
of
shades
of
gray
and
subtlety.
There
too
really
interesting.
How
about
rogers
group.
C
I'm
sorry
yeah
thanks
and
we
also
got
a
lot
of
good
discussion
and
tim
is
going
to
summarize
for
us
roger.
Are
you
able
to
share
your
notes?
Please?
Let's
see.
G
Leave
rogers
hopefully
pulling
that
up.
My
name
is
tim
mather,
a
long
time
resident
here.
I
live
in
the
crossings
in
here
in
mountain.
B
G
From
for
many
years
with
regards
to
which
is
the
better
map,
personally,
I
favored
the
2022.
However,
I
was
definitely
the
minority
amongst
our
group.
I
think
the
the
stronger
support
is
for
the
2020
map
on
that.
With
regards
to
that,
the
density
the
this
really
with
regard,
not
the
density,
but
the
stories
of
the
building
seems
to
be
the
issue
there
so
split,
but
in
our
group
the
2020
seemed
to
be
the
the
greater
interest
on
that.
G
G
Whatever
the
order
is
whatever
makes
sense,
yeah
go
up
here,
okay,
so
just
going
through
your
notes
here
again
whether
it's
the
2022
approach
of
the
2020
approach,
most
of
the
group
favors
the
2020
approach
rather
than
2022,
but
I
think
that
we're
looking
at
if
we
go
to
the
2020
approach
was
three
stories
seems
to
be
the
consensus
there
and
probably
look
mapping
that
to
the
22.
G
It
would
be
the
medium
house
scale,
it's
probably
what
we're
looking
at
then
off
of
that
interest.
Definitely
maintaining
three-story
height
limits
off
of
that
not
going
higher,
which
kind
of
contradicts
with
the
2020
model
our
map.
Off
of
that
I
I
don't
think
that
we
should
be
less
than
than
two
stories.
I
would
say
I
pardon
me
the
group
thinks
off
of
that
so
and
the
medium
house
again
the
r3a
as
much
density
as
possible
to
support
the
housing
in
the
neighborhood.
G
Personally,
I
don't
agree
with
that
again.
I
would
like
to
see
some
sort
of
density
restrictions
across
the
neighborhoods
in
the
city,
but
that's
my
personal
opinion
off
of
that.
I
think
that
we
do
have
support
for
more
open
space
off
of
that
and
possible
interest
in
trading
stories
for
density.
So
if
you,
if
a
builder
were
to
add
get
permission
for
a
four-story,
for
example,
they
would
have
to
come
up
with
whatever
park
space,
to
open
space.
G
To
accommodate
that,
I
don't
know
what
that
ratio
would
look
like,
but
there
would
need
to
be
some
sort
of
standardized
ratio
that
the
city
of
council
agreed
upon
that,
but
but
don't
just
give
away.
If
you
will
a
four
story,
no,
no,
that
four
story
would
come
at
the
expense
of
more
open
space
off
of
that
a
definite
need
to
put
transit
close
to
the
housing
we
already
have
vta.
As
an
example,
we
also
have
the
community
shuttle
probably
need
to
do
a
better
job
of
advertising.
G
We
talked
about
the
crossings
at
mountain
view
as
a
way
to
do
the
transition
off
of
this,
so
that
we
don't
get
these
ugly
jarring
transitions
from
old
to
new
off
of
that
I'll
just
note,
then,
I
actually
happen
to
live
in
the
commons,
our
primary
in
the
crossings
off
of
that
I'll.
Just
note
that
that
was
a
single
development,
if
you
will
a
single
site
at
the
time,
that's
probably
not
applicable
to
most
developments
these
days
off
of
that
and
that's
a
20
year
old
model.
G
Hopefully
we
don't
have
anything
that
is
within
a
block
that
is
very
jarring,
like
the
photo
and
the
the
bottom
right
there
off
of
that,
I'm
not
sure
how
we're
going
to
get
around
that
it
would
be
nice
to
be
able
to
have
some
screening
through
landscaping.
G
That
did
that
the
concern
with
the
screening
through
landscaping
is
to
get
that
to
be
mature.
So
it's
actually
effective
is
a
long
process.
That's
probably
10
to
20
years
by
the
time
the
trees
and
the
vegetation
grow
to
they're
actually
providing
that
screening.
So
we
would
need
to
find
another
way
in
addition
to
that
landscaping
to
somehow
provide
screening.
For
that.
G
Also
interest,
then,
in
more
shade,
whether
that's
through
trees,
some
sort
of
I
don't
sure
arcade
is
the
best
word
but
overhangs
etc,
but
definitely
need
more
shade
here
as
well.
Next
slide,
please.
A
This
is
all
really
great
info,
but
we
have
a
couple
of
more
groups
that
we
want
to
get
to
by
nine
o'clock.
So
maybe
just
a
couple
of
high
points
for
the
remaining.
G
Interested
in
mixed
use
here,
commercial
integrated
with
residential,
not
separate
spaces,
are
probably
not
separate
buildings,
but
in
the
building
itself
and
and
some
sort
of
small
scale
commercial,
whether
that
is
a
food
court,
a
a
a
cafe,
whatever
no
bars
doesn't
need
to
sell
more
liquor
but
integrated
and
again
perhaps
there's
a
limit
on
that
hypothetically.
Maybe
that's
five
percent
of
the
total
residential
space
in
that
particular
building,
and
with
that
said,
I
think
I'm
done.
I
appreciate
it
back
over
to
you
eric.
A
Yeah,
thank
you
very
much
tim
a
lot
of
great
information
there.
Let's
move
on
to
beth's
group.
D
So
all
big
thank
you
to
my
group
for
participating
and
I'll
be
representing
their
thoughts.
D
I
wanted
to
start
off
by
saying,
there's
support
for
bigger
buildings
and
the
belief
that
the
2020
map
had
r3d,
which
was
taller
and
filled
in
some
more
granular
descriptions
of
the
map.
D
Even
although
there's
support
for
open
space,
we
don't
want
that
open
space
to
limit
development,
the
supporting
trees
along
the
sidewalk,
but
making
sure
that
they're
deep
roots
so
that
pedestrians
are
okay
and
it
doesn't
break
up
the
sidewalk
and
two
final
notes
are
that
the
open
space
might
even
be
best
tucked
inside
the
building
like
in
a
courtyard
and
finally,
there's
support
for
commercial
within
a
neighborhood,
potentially
multiple
commercial
stores,
next
to
each
other,
so
it
becomes
more
of
a
node.
A
Great
thank
you
so
much
beth
good
stuff.
There,
martinez
group
thanks
eric
and
thanks
to
my
group
for
the
great
discussion
and
will
be
providing
the
summary.
M
Hello,
it
went
up
similar
to
the
other
group.
We
tried
to
get
someone
two
percent
today,
but
we
could
not
get
someone
to
do
it,
but
I
will
try
to
do
my
best
here
to
put
everyone's
ideas
into
perspective,
pertaining
to
the
first
question
of
focus
of
district
on
different
scale
characters.
There
is
a
unanimous
agreement
that
you
know,
density
and
height
should
be.
There
should
be
more
density
and
more
height
in
general.
There
is
existing
apartments
out
in
that
area
that
currently
exceed
a
six
story.
M
I
believe
I
heard
up
to
eight
stories,
someone
and
I
would
try
to
keep
it
quick,
just
keep
in
mind
on
time,
improve
transition
and
height
and
scale.
The
group
did
agree
that,
even
if
you
do
allow
more
height,
there's
still
a
way
that
you
could
do
that
in
a
way
that
respects
the
adjacency
standards
and
the
requirements
that
you
could
add
at
step
backs
on
those
areas
pertaining
to
improve
pedestrian
connections.
M
I
think
this
is
where
our
group
was
the
most
excited
and
about
the
the
update
and
particularly
increasing
sidewalks
and
maintaining
the
walkability,
as
well
as
including
more
activities
for
cyclists.
Bicycle
lanes
ensuring
that
there's
more
of
a
connectivity
to
existing
bike
lanes
as
well
as
prioritizing
open
space
and
greenery,
so
really
that
the
focus
was
pedestrian
scale
skill
and
they
really
enjoyed
it
and
agreed
that
that
should
be
the
focus.
M
As
far
as
allowing
small
commercial
uses,
the
group
felt
it
is
important
to
allow
commercial
uses,
but
there
should
be
a
focus
on
neighborhood
serving
commercial
uses
that
particularly
will
serve
the
neighborhood
and,
to
the
extent
possible,
scattering
those
uses
throughout
the
r3
areas
and
not
just
concentrating
them
in
one
place
which
may
not
necessarily
further
promote
walkability
within
these
neighborhoods
and
pertaining
to
the
last
question
create
a
moderate
growth
option.
The
group
overall
fell.
M
M
The
density
should
be
kept
to
the
2020
plan,
if
not
a
little
higher
and
of
course,
they
also
acknowledged
that
you
know
this
is
a
ongoing
conversation,
there's
a
multitude
of
opinions,
but
maybe
there's
a
comfortable
middle
ground
that
can
be
achieved.
A
Great,
thank
you
so
much
edgar
and
martine
and
everybody
in
your
group.
So
that's
it.
We
do
have
a
couple
of
more
slides
to
share
just
in
terms
of
what
is
coming
up
next,
but
I
won't
keep
you
too
much
longer.
A
First
of
all,
if
you
feel
like
you
had
more
to
say,
or
if
you
have
a
neighbor
that
couldn't
make
it
please
log
into
our
website
here,
mountainview.gov
slash,
13
zoning
update
this
url
is
also
on
the
flyer
or
the
notice
that
you
might
have
received.
You'll
have
an
opportunity
to
provide
comments
on
all
of
these
topics
through
that
website.
A
This
module
for
this
neighborhood
will
be
up
probably
in
by
the
end
of
the
week.
So
right
now,
the
previous
neighborhoods
that
we've
done
are
already
up.
This
neighborhood
will
be
up
in
the
next
couple
of
days
and
after
this
we'll
carry
on
through
the
end
of
2022,
with
more
outreach
and
we'll
develop
options
and
return
to
the
epc
and
council
for
their
review
in
early
2023
and
we're
expecting
adoption
in
late
2023
or
early
2024..
A
So
again,
thank
you
all
again
so
much
for
joining
us
tonight.
I
hope
you
have
a
great
evening
and
a
great
week
and
please
contact
me.
If
you
have
any
questions,
I
may
be
able
to
stay
after
for
another
couple
of
minutes.
If
anybody
has
any
quick
questions
right
now,
but
otherwise
have
a
great
night
and
thanks
again.